Share This Episode
Focus on the Family Jim Daly Logo

Stressed Out? Here's Help

Focus on the Family / Jim Daly
The Truth Network Radio
November 10, 2021 5:00 am

Stressed Out? Here's Help

Focus on the Family / Jim Daly

On-Demand Podcasts NEW!

This broadcaster has 1065 podcast archives available on-demand.

Broadcaster's Links

Keep up-to-date with this broadcaster on social media and their website.

November 10, 2021 5:00 am

Deborah Pegues offers an insightful look at everyday worry and anxiety and effective ways to deal with the stress they cause. With hope and biblical wisdom, she encourages you to seek God and conquer these troublesome emotions.

Get Deborah Pegues' book "30 Days to Taming Worry and Anxiety" for your donation of any amount:

Get more episode resources:

If you've listened to any of our podcasts, please give us your feedback:

The Adam Gold Show
Adam Gold
Family Policy Matters
NC Family Policy
Family Life Today
Dave & Ann Wilson, Bob Lepine
Hope for the Caregiver
Peter Rosenberger
Core Christianity
Adriel Sanchez and Bill Maier

Parenting is tough and moms like Julie need encouragement when they feel overwhelmed. And the first thing I did was turn on the Focus on the Family podcast about parenting. That is my go-to because there's always a topic that is relating to what I'm going through at the moment. I'm Jim Daly. This season, help us give families hope. And when you give today, your donation will be doubled.

Donate at slash joy. When I'm under lots of pressure, it really stresses me out. Like my boss looking over my shoulder. I think the thing that stresses me out the most is trying to balance work, family and friends and figuring out how they all connect. Something that really stresses me out and gives me anxiety would probably have to be lots of traffic. What kind of things stress you out? This is Focus on the Family and today we'll be talking about some stress triggers and how you can manage them.

I'm John Fuller and your host is Focus President and author Jim Daly. John, with all the news we see every day, we are bombarded with situations and circumstances that leave us feeling anxious and worried. And I think it's wise to talk about that, especially as Christians. I know when I'm feeling a little out of normal, I'll find comfort in the words of Jesus. Right from the Gospel of John where the scripture says in chapter 16 verse 33, in the world you will have tribulation, but take heart, I've overcome the world. That's an awesome scripture of confidence and calm. It's good news for all of us and that's where we can live and rest knowing He has overcome the world.

Here at Focus on the Family, we want to remind you of God's love so you can live in that freedom. In His grace and power you can do all things, even conquer anxiety. And of course we're talking about those normal things of anxiety, not clinically diagnosed anxiety or depression.

That's a different topic. Today we're just going to discuss the normal everyday weight and worry of the world and what it puts on us. Yeah, and we have a great guest here to help us dig into this and get some great encouragement. Deborah Pagay has written a book called 30 Days to Taming Worry and Anxiety. We have that here at the ministry.

I'll give the phone number in just a moment. Deborah is a Bible teacher, a speaker internationally. She's a certified behavioral consultant. She's been in the business world.

She's got a great resume, but she's got a big, big heart and that makes her really exceptional. And as I said, this book, 30 Days to Taming Worry and Anxiety, we do have copies of that here at the ministry. Just click the link in the episode notes or call 800, the letter A in the word family. Deborah, it's great to have you back at Focus. Thank you so much. I'm just delighted to be here.

You just brighten every room you walk into. I would just love to hang out with you. It's so much fun when you're here. I love life. You bring such great wisdom right from the scripture and you hit a lot of the pain points that people are feeling in this culture.

And that I think is a great place to start. So often now conversations are about how anxious people are today, how worried people are today. Do you think with all your interactions, is it worse today than it was 40 years ago? Or are we just as human beings in this world, in the flesh, prone to being worried and anxious?

I think it's both. We are prone to being anxious. And then whatever the situation is that's bringing pressure to bear, it's just increasing the anxiety.

And 2020 was a year that was just anxiety written. And I like to always quote the scripture because the Bible says, be anxious for nothing. And it didn't say except be anxious for nothing. And I'm thinking, what is anxiety? Anticipating a negative outcome. I have to remember that anxiety is anticipating a negative outcome. I'm anticipating something to go wrong.

I was driving on the freeway and I can drive in a special lane by myself going into L.A. because I have this little sticker on my car and I told my husband, but I don't like that special lane because everybody's going really fast. And he said, well, so what's the problem? Well, I'm anxious that somebody is going to cut in front of me. And so he said, well, why don't you focus on thinking that they won't cut in front of you? I said, well, that's a novel approach. But, you know, but it was the anxiety. And I have to ask myself, what are you believing?

What are you thinking? You know, there's there's a word that people have now coined called catastrophizing. And that is part of it.

I mean, even the fact that we've now created this word in the last few years that people catastrophize things. That's pointing to higher anxiety, right? It is. And that's why we have to pay attention to what we're thinking about. Think about what you're thinking about.

Now, that sounds like double speak. Think about what you're thinking about, because if that's your space, if you believe you got it. You know, we got to really get back to this thing about what we believe, because it really impacts every area of our lives. And so when I think about what I'm thinking about, like when I was flying here and I was getting anxious because I hadn't been on a plane in 20 months. I was getting really anxious.

And I'm thinking, well, what what are you thinking? I'm thinking the plane might crash. I'm thinking we may have turbulences. I didn't think I was going to crash.

I just don't like the turbulence. I was fearing the fear. I was I was anxious about feeling fearful.

How crazy is that? Well, and, you know, I want to be respectful of those emotions because some people, I mean, they really struggle with this. And, you know, from time to time, Jean fits into that category. So I've lived very closely to that kind of anxiety and that feeling that the worst is going to happen. How does a person get on top of that, though? I think it's a lifelong struggle for many people. It's a lifelong habit we have to develop not doing that, unless I do sound like a walking Bible. When we embrace the Bible that, you know, it's going to work together for my good.

I'm not going to be anxious for anything. God is able to do abundantly above. I could ask her thing if I don't replace those thoughts with those negative thoughts. You see, Jim, the mind we learn in physics that no two forms of matter can occupy the same space at the same time. You can't think those negative thoughts and positive thoughts at the same time. So when I when they bombard me, I try to have something to replace them. Yeah, I just replace that negative thought. I cast it down. That's a command in the Bible. Cast down those imaginations.

They're rising up against what I know about God. And I just think we got to start to practice doing that. And it is a daily. I don't like to call it a struggle. It's a daily challenge or a daily discipline, a daily discipline.

I like doing that even better. In fact, let's get to a specific because in your book, you talk about your own stressful situations and you describe a time when you had a stressful day. I think it involved a phone call from your brother. What happened? And I think this will loop a lot of people in because many people go through experiences with their family. Well, my mom was she's passed away now, but she had dementia and we had a brother who had had a battle with drugs.

But we were the city had they had a program where they would pay him to watch her, but he wasn't doing a good job of it. And I had a board meeting coming up and I was just at the beginning stages of a condition called trigeminal neuralgia, one of the most painful diseases known to man. And it was just at the beginning of that. It was a board meeting day. So I'm trying to get ready.

And my brother calls and he said, nobody's picked up my mom's medicine. And about that time, my staff person came in to give me some financial statements to review for the meeting. And I could immediately see errors. And then I had this pain hitting me. It was so much at once. I'm like, Jesus, can you just come now?

Rapture, come please. Somebody do something. So it was overwhelming. It was overwhelming. And I don't like to use that word overwhelming, but that was the time it really was overwhelming. So I just I just stopped and just took a deep breath and I just say, God, I just cast this care up on you.

I'm just show me what to do next. And sometimes when we're really stressed and overwhelmed, that's because we're trying to do so much. We're trying to do so much at once. And I like to just stop and say, God, what to do next? Even if it's the next hour, sometimes we can get so stressed, we kind of have to live life by the hour. Lord, what's my priority for the next hour? You know, Deborah, so much of your advice in a variety of categories, as we've had several discussions with you on different books that you've written, it comes down to capturing what your behavior is.

And I like that. It's a discipline I don't typically utilize. You know, I do it in my mind. One of the things you recommend in your book is to identify those things that are causing you stress, the stressors in your life.

I'll do that mentally, but I won't give it enough time. And I really like the discipline that you bring to it to say, write them down. So what does that list look like for you? Well, I'll write it down. Like, let's just say today, what are my biggest stressors?

I have a client's financial statements due when I get back home. I need to promote my other book better, blah, blah, blah. Then I'll say, okay. And then there are some other things.

I have a friend who's fighting for her life. I can't control that. I can pray for her. So I'll write a list of things that I have that are within my realm of influence and things that are outside of my realm of influence.

The things that are outside, I give them to God. I'll just pray about them. And that's all I can do.

That's all I can do. The things that are within my realm of influence, I make a priority list. What should I work on first? What's most important? Because sometimes you can just find yourself reaching for things to do where you have so much to do. And everybody has so much to do.

I don't know anybody who doesn't have a lot to do. Yeah. Do you feel the benefit of writing that down helps capture and contain the anxiety?

Oh, absolutely. Because now it's on paper. You can see it.

Yes, now on paper. And I feel like I'm not out of control. That's interesting.

I've never thought of it. I can have it under control. And this may not even be relevant for some theologians, but we know that scripture that talks about write the vision and make it plain so that you can run with it. I just kind of write it down what I want to do. And then I say, okay. And then I don't put too many major stressors on my list in the course of a day. You know, you shouldn't have 10 things. And listen, I have two to do lists.

One says to do and then the other one says to do today. The real fast things you got to do. Right. And I don't put too many on there.

Just do as much as you can. Yeah. And I appreciate that. You suggest in order to effectively deal with stress and lessen anxiety, which is what we're talking about, John, we need to have a secure foundation. Now, not everybody listening is a believer in Christ. And we're really talking about that. The 80 percent of the audience that does believe in Jesus. That's number one. That's foundational. But, you know, describe that four legged stool and have that listener in mind who may not have a relationship with Christ. And we're hoping that we can make them so excited about how we're faring in having a good, strong foundation, that that other 20 percent will want to embrace Christ. Absolutely.

Because he really is the Prince of Peace. It's a great way to live your life. It really is.

I can't imagine living this life in my own strength. Right. And that is one of the great things. That will create anxiety.

Oh, goodness. Because, you know, self is so limited. But I'd say life is like a stool and the base is what you believe, your spiritual foundation. And there are four major pillars of life, the physical, the relational, the emotional and the financial. Every problem you have in life will eventually find its way in one of those four categories. But what we believe will flow down and impact how we behave, manage in those areas.

Let me give you an example. Let's say financially, if I believe that God's going to supply all my needs, I believe in tithing. I believe that if I give, others will give unto me. So, see, that's a belief and it's impacting my behavior. That's why I always say the scriptures are practical, because they tell you what to do. And so you have to know when then you have embraced an erroneous belief, because sometimes you believe in something that is not going to work on your behalf and they're impacting those areas. And so that's why I say, OK, so look at the physical. You need rest.

Look at the relational. I don't need to be in conflict with people. I need to not walk in unforgiveness.

That's stressful. I'm always thinking about a person who's offended me. They're controlling my life. So if I just release them, you know, because I believe I should, based on the scriptures, I need to release everybody.

I need to forgive. And so that impacts how I run my relationships. So I'm sure I hope I've made the point that watch what you're believing, do a beliefs audit. Sometimes I'll just do a beliefs audit. You can tell I like writing things down. So I'm always analyzing what am I believing about that? Is this in alignment with the word of God? If it's out of alignment, I'm going to have trouble in one of those pillars of my life. The other thing I love about what you express is your own your own shortcomings.

I so appreciate that about you. You mentioned in the book that you were distracted from prayer because you were looking for a CD. And, you know, it just consumed all your time.

Describe that that event, because I so relate to that. Like I have this thing to do and then I get caught up in fixing something. Yep.

Yep. And the distractions are so many until this is hard to pray. It's hard to memorize the word, but I'm committed. I'm trying to be committed to pray an hour, but I'm not there some days. So this particular day I said, OK, I'm ready. I have my worship album.

I'm just going to get ready. I got down on my knees and I didn't have the CD that I want to listen to. I said, OK, let me run down. It's probably the trunk of my car.

This is when we were using CDs. I looked in the car and there was it wasn't there, but the trunk was in disarray. So I organized it while I was there. So then I was probably on my desk.

I went to my desk and I looked there and there were papers everywhere and I didn't see it. But there was a plant over there with a yellow leaf. And I said, just water the plants and some right here. And since I'm right, let me just check a couple of messages. Bottom line was, by the time I got back to the prayer room, I had about five or 10 minutes left on my prayer time.

And I said, oh, man, this isn't working. And I just didn't have time to enter into the presence of God. And let me tell you, that is key for peace. You need to enter into the presence of God every day so you can cast those cares upon him, feel empowered for the day. That is so important. And it's so hard for us to do as a discipline.

I mean, the yellow leaf will be there after your prayer time. You can take care of it then. But again, I so identify with that. Let's also have you describe how how we should take care of ourselves.

It sounds funny, even a little uncomfortable to talk about this idea of self-care. But it's important. And we benefit from that. I think Jesus demonstrated that so beautifully.

I mean, you think about it. Jesus was here healing people, taking care of emotional needs, spiritual needs, physical needs. And he could have gone 24-7, right? But no, he peeled away and he sought rest and got away from the crowd so that he could revitalize. And he's the son of God. Yes. So, I mean, if it's good for him, it's got to be good for us.

It's got to be good for us. I don't know why we ignore that example. I remember when the disciples came. I don't remember, but I read when the disciples came. You're not that old.

I'm old, but I'm not that old. But they came back to Jesus and they told him all that they had done and taught. And I thought he would have said, attaboy, get back out there. And he said, y'all need to go rest. Go get some rest. The Bible says, for they had no leisure.

Jim, that's critical. They use the word leisure in the King James Version of the Bible. For they had no leisure. Leisure is spiritual. We don't see leisure as being spiritual, but it is. You know, Deborah, in this modern world, there's so many distractions. And it's almost like industries feed off of that, whether it's media, what have you. I'm thinking of gaming. That's been a struggle with two boys in the home growing up as teenagers.

You know, they wanted to play shoot-em-up games and those kinds of things. What's happening there and how do we get a handle and replace seeking the distractions with facing what's real and then dealing with it? Well, I think it's probably going to be too hard to go cold turkey. So what you're going to have to do initially is just to back it down a little bit. Right. That's true for all of us.

All of us. And with social media, I can find myself being – I can spend too much time on Facebook. And so I just suggest that, you know, we learn how to be in the present, that we have times that we put ourselves on the calendar. You know, you put yourself on the calendar. You make a commitment. So when somebody asks you to do something, you say, I'm sorry, I have another commitment or I have an appointment.

What I do is with myself. You don't have to give them all the information. No, I appreciate that. Debra, another concept that you mentioned is this idea of flexibility, reducing one's anxiety. I can relate to that. I appreciate that because I think that's true. Sometimes that can be a personality bent, though.

You know, a rigid person, a black and white thinker, they'll struggle more than someone who can be in the gray. You know, it's okay. I don't mind. That's flexibility. But speak to why flexibility allows you to be less anxious. Well, I heard something that said that a flexible person will not be bent out of shape. Okay, that's good. Okay. Well, you see, because when you think about it, when you're not flexible, who's suffering?

Pretty much you are because you're the one that's going through all the inner turmoil. Why are they doing it like that? I planned it like this.

Won't they just do it the way I said it? I tend not to allow a lot of margin in my time. And then I'm like, well, why are they going so slowly? Why are they speaking so slowly?

I hadn't planned for all of this. And it's like, you know what, if you learn to just go with the flow. We have a friend who does that and he just seems so calm all the time. He doesn't get upset.

He doesn't ask a lot of why people are doing that. I challenge you to do that. To just, you know, take a deep breath and just be in the moment and just say it is what it is. You know, there's something about that.

It just is what it is. Another area you mentioned in the book is expectation. And this, I mean, I'm telling you folks, this for Christians, this is a core thing because we put so many expectations on ourselves, on our spouse, on our kids that, you know, they can only fail because no one's perfect.

No one's perfect. And we have these shoulds, you know, I should. And I tend to put a lot of expectations on myself as a wife, especially being, let's say, a career woman or woman who's busy. I make sure I have food at home. And Darnell says, I can make my own food, really. I don't require that of you. I'm like, no. I like Darnell. No, I'm like, no. Him and I are going to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. But I think I don't want anybody to ever say, she was so busy trying to pursue her career, she didn't take care of her home.

So I put that on. But listen, our expectations are either unreasonable sometimes or unexpressed. Let me ask you this, though. Why do we create those expectations? What in us is driving us to expect more out of you than you expect out of yourself?

Our own values that have been shaped by our culture sometimes. Well, I should do this. You've got to watch those shoulds in your life. Watch the shoulds that people bring to you, but watch the shoulds that you have. Like, a man should take care of this. A man should take care of that.

And I believe that I think men should be responsible. But, you know, once we were watering their plants or something, Darnell said, I shouldn't have to water plants. I'm like, our plants are in the house. Everybody's plants. What's these role things? But you know what?

It's OK, because now he waters plants. But, you know, you have to express your expectations, because sometimes you'll be frustrated and anxious because you had an expectation that you didn't let anybody know you had that. And you're just thinking, they should know. Well, the irony is, I think most of marital conflict is right here in this area of expectation. Absolutely. What a wife thinks needs to happen, what the husband thinks needs to happen.

And they don't talk about it. Well, you've got to talk about it. You know, in a calm way, you know, in a calm way. I lost something at the hotel the other day and I was thinking, but Darnell's with me traveling. I think he should make sure I don't leave anything in the room. Like, why should he do that?

Well, maybe it's a strength of his. You know, this whole expectation thing. Nina and I just a couple of weeks ago were talking about this because she's been doing something that she thought she should do as my wife.

And we had to unpack that. And it goes way back to when she was grown up and she watched her mom and she thought that I've been expecting her to do this thing this whole time. And it's like, I never have thought about that. So doing that self-introspection that you've talked about before, that's really key here. Putting it on the table in an in a non-offensive way to say, what are your expectations of me? And what, you know, these are my expectations of you. And then you negotiate those like I'm not expecting that. I wasn't really planning to do that. But if that's what you need, you know, let's let's work that out. Yeah, it's a far healthier way than saying, oh, it is other things that you can say. What are you expecting me to do?

We'll do that in another program. How can we set the tone for the atmosphere around us, especially in the presence of those that lean into anxiety? What's our role as Christians with those that we love that are around us?

Family, friends who tend to be anxious people. What can we do to set the atmosphere to make it healthier for them? Well, first of all, we can be a model of peace. We can model the peace that we want other people to have around us. And so that means that even in our words, our responses, we don't have to roll our eyes. We don't have to go like, good Lord.

I'm convicted on all that. Watch your body language, watch your words. We had a situation recently. I had my brother, so it was the first time since December 2019. And one of them was going to be late and he was upset with us for whatever reason. But Darnell calmed him down so well. And I was just ready for him.

I was like, you know what, you just that was just a silly thing you did. You drove up, you didn't get out of the car. You should have knocked on the door. He left and he was so upset. Nobody was there. Did you knock on the door?

No, I didn't see any cars out front. And so Darnell, when he came, Darnell said, come on in, have some food. He calmed him down.

So we got to be that model of peace because I was ready to tell him that is just really crazy. Yeah. But that wasn't going to, you know. Well, and so often when a person is expressing that kind of it's almost it's eye catching or ear catching because it's out of proportionality. Yeah.

There's usually something else going on there. You're the you're the beneficiary of some other problem that person is encountering. And that's why the soft answer turns away the wrath.

And we have to always remember that it takes some discipline to give a soft answer when you are equally frustrated. Yeah. Yeah. How about Stephen being stoned to death and praise for those stoning him saying, Lord, don't hold this against him. That's the epitome.

I would have wanted God to drop fire on him. Right. No kidding. Yeah.

Bring in the military. Let's go. But I mean, that does show you the spirit of God and how effective he can be even in a life and death situation. Like that, that that area scripture really captures me because Stephen's laying it all down right there.

He knows what he's going to and he's not clinging to this. No. Amazing. And wow, that's helpful. You use an acronym stress.

Walk us through the stress model. How do you use that in a day to day way? Well, I got it from Jehoshaphat in the 20th chapter of Second Chronicles. And so when, you know, when they told him three armies were coming against him. And so these are the things he did. First of the S was seek God's guidance. Always ask God what to do. The T is for trust when he tells you to do. God says, listen, get the army, put the praises out front and made no sense.

Just trust what God tells you to do. The R is to remember past victories. There's nothing like getting building your faith and to remember even if they weren't your past victories, somebody had a victory.

You need to be able to recount those. If you can't go, go read a story in the Bible where there was a victory. Yeah, that gives you confidence.

Right. Spiritual confidence. The T is for exalt God above the problems. Now, that sounds simple, but many times we just, you know, we exalt the problem above God. We bring God down to the level of the problem. We hear somebody is dying from pancreatic cancer.

Some would say, oh, no. Well, God, that's not too hard for God. So exalt God above the problem.

The S is solicit the prayers and support of others. Too many of us struggle in solitude. We don't have to struggle alone. That's what a brother is born for, adversity. Ask people for help.

It's OK to ask for help. And then the other S is stand on the promises of God. Stand.

Stand. Yeah. Amen.

Those are so good, Deborah. I mean, it just all fits together. Lastly, and I think we've had this discussion before, the importance of humor in all things and how to laugh at yourself, I think is really the first order.

And then circumstances being second. But speak to the importance of laughing. Well, laughter is like medicine, and it is the best medicine when you are anxious and stressful. One day, Darnell and I were about to pray and we joined hands and he said, Father, we come before the groan of grace. Thank you, Darnell. I do that all the time. I could not stop laughing. I couldn't stop laughing. And, you know, my body is shaking. I'm laughing so hard. And I told him later, I said, I said, why don't you just stop praying so I can get myself together? He says, I wasn't going to acknowledge the devil.

You guys have good open communication. I thought it was so funny. But, you know, you just got to find the laughter. You've got to find the humor in something.

You do. And that sometimes if you're not able to, that's a place to start. What's quenching your ability to laugh at some of these things in life? Yeah, and I've had some doozies, Jim, and I'm sure we're wrapping up. But I was at a church speaking and I was about 10 minutes into my message and one of the smoke machines they had used for the dancers, it came on right in the middle of my message.

And the stage is covered now with these clouds. I'm like, that's not part of the message. So I just said, is this the part where I disappear? Yeah, you're right.

Turned into a tiger. And the pastor's wife couldn't stop laughing. Oh, man. No, that's funny.

Yeah. Cue the smoke. What a fun way to end this focus on the family conversation with Deborah Pagay.

Man, Deborah is a firecracker. Every time she's here, we laugh and get a solid reminder of God's best for us. You know, he does not want us to live in bondage or live with anxiety or stress.

He wants us to trust him and act in love to those around us. And we know some situations go beyond just laughing off those circumstances. And that's one reason we have a team of caring Christian counselors on staff that you can call and go online even to set up an initial consultation to speak with someone. They will listen to your specific need, they'll pray with you and give you a pathway toward healing and most likely provide some resources for you, books and other things that you can read to help your situation.

Yeah, that's a great team. They're there for you. And then we do have other resources of note, like Deborah's book, 30 Days to Taming Worry and Anxiety. And we have that right here at Focus on the Family. So get your copy from us and donate as you can to give families hope. Every day we're helping couples on the verge of divorce, families in crisis, bewildered parents that have come to the end of their rope, frankly, frightened mothers considering abortion, kids in foster care and the needs that they have, and others who need the hope Jesus came to give them.

And here at the end of the year, we really need your help. Let's do ministry together. As we gear up for 2022, we want to save and strengthen even more families with scripture based resources and programs. And when you give a gift of any amount today, we'll send you a copy of Deborah's book as our way of saying thank you. And right now, your gift will be doubled through a special year-end matching opportunity provided by some generous friends of the ministry. And that means your gift will have even more of an impact, more ministry. So do that ministry by partnering with Focus on the Family. God's going to do awesome things in 2022. We really believe that and we invite you to join a team and donate and request your copy of 30 Days to Taming Worry and Anxiety.

Look for contact details in the episode notes or give us a call. 800-A-FAMILY Join us tomorrow as we hear some words of wisdom, especially for men. Reputation is what people think you are. Character is what you are when no one else is around.

We need to be men of godly character. On behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team, thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family. I'm John Fuller inviting you back as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ. Just like a warm fireplace when it's cold outside, the joy of the Christmas season gives comfort and draws us closer to loved ones. I'm John Fuller and Focus on the Family is excited to let you know about our Christmas Stories podcast. Each episode brings heartwarming conversations to bring your family closer together and remind you of the hope we have in Jesus. You can enjoy that podcast at slash Christmas Stories. That's slash Christmas Stories.
Whisper: medium.en / 2023-07-24 09:57:39 / 2023-07-24 10:11:37 / 14

Get The Truth Mobile App and Listen to your Favorite Station Anytime