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July 6, 2017 12:00 pm
Dr. Meg Meeker, a pediatrician with 30 years of experience in pediatric and adolescent medicine and a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics discusses transgenderism, transgender bathroom policy, and how the growing acceptance of this form of identity among some is putting the rights, development and wellbeing of some of our children and families at risk.
I can't tell you how our thinking, manipulated, and if I because we count how out of fear is family policy with NC family Pres. John Weston this week were pleased to bring you part two of an engaging discussion about a growing trend toward the patient and acceptance of transgender is with Dr. Meg Meeker, a pediatrician with 30 years of experience in pediatric and adolescent medicine and a fellow of the American Academy of pediatrics. She is a popular speaker on key issues confronting American families in the best-selling author of six books, including her newest hero being the strong dad.
Your children need a doctor. Meeker walking the family policy matters.
It's great to have you back on the show. Thanks so much for having me Dr. Michael what we seen as the byproducts are the results of introducing children to gender dysphoria, and these kinds of confusing questions about sexuality at such a young age. Well first of all I think that what what what we're seeing is trimmed and stop and abort confusion in Ted's here is where I think the real danger is for the child who's not struggling with gender dysphoria and that is and this is 99.9% of kids in America okay, let's say, Sally is in the third grade and Sally has her little friend Betty who is introduced in her class and family and all of her friends Betty. They see a girl. She looks like a girl but the teacher says she's not a girl called her bill today because Betty doesn't feel like Betty so the child being a child goes with the sheet you must be right because the teachers bigger and smarter than I am. So clearly Betty that I see in front of me.
I must be wrong and what I'm assessing. If I girl in my mind assesses a girl but my teacher says it's a boy I'm wrong. So now you have 1/3 grade child who doesn't believe he or she can adequately assess their surroundings and and they realize I can't even tell if a girl is a girl or a boy is a boy and believe what I'm seeing what else can I not get right is the grass green is my mother.
My mother is the son.
The son, yet they call into question every judgment they make. How can we accomplish these goals of treating children and families who may be promoting these issues with appropriate levels of acceptance and respect, but also understanding that were operating in a culture these days were parents who stand up for privacy and safety of children and what they believe to be right and true are often really vilified by others who are pushing such an aggressive and controversial agenda really, really, I think one of the cruelest things you can do it, or child, a transgender child who already feels confused who already has a poor self-esteem who is already struggling on so many different levels. The cruelest thing you can do that child shine a spotlight on go now to the bathroom you want. I think the most compassionate thing that any of us can do is to protect all children. We protect not only non-transgender children are tender children don't struggle with gender dysphoria, but we really protect those who do and a lot and if it and this is what bothers me if Bruce Jenner/Caitlin Jenner wants to talk about transgender is an adult that do whatever you want, but don't manipulate children to accomplish your goal. What we should be advocating for if you really want to help a transgender to child have them have bathroom that is separate. That is like we have in airports it says family bathroom.
Anybody can use it. Do not force a child to feels like a girl, but really is a boy to use it girl's bathroom and vice versa. That makes a mockery of that child.
It puts a spotlight and it's cruel well and I think we seen that in situations where a school system. For example, live in individual school will make a reasonable accommodation for a child who is struggling with these types of issues and provide them with access to a single occupancy bathroom, but in some cases, as we see in some of these cases of actually going to federal court where the individuals whether it's the parents of the children of the groups that are short of using them as a front to push an agenda have said no, that accommodation is not appropriate.
We want this child is very identified to be treated exactly the same way as you treat every other child that identifies that particular gender and it becomes very evident that they are not interested in a reasonable accommodation for that child, but they are truly pushing a very aggressive agenda. Here is the real problem is certain.
Many like-minded people like that are stinking the way I'm thinking because this is so into it. It's so instinctual that it's cruel to put a child who looks like a boy but believe he's a girl to push that child into the girls bathroom, that child will be humiliated and humiliated because kids are kids and less you're going to put hard inside the bathroom to control how other two children speak to that talk about private places. Here is nothing short of child abuse to force that child in there and then those people who are advocating for that need to be called that.
But here's why they're winning this battle because those who believe in and what's rational and what's reasonable like you are I are are surrendering England. Well, maybe they're right. Maybe the right you know not right but you don't want to act on your instincts because you were drinking the Kool-Aid if you will, and I see this all the time even in regular parenting. I can't tell you how we adult our thinking is being so manipulated that common sense is being driven out of us because we kowtow out of fear going well, maybe they're right.
Maybe they're right. I don't want to do harm. I have seen smart intelligent parents physician professionals make really outrageous decisions because they're afraid not to go along with what they see, because they doubt their instincts and we stop this.
We have common sense for a reason you know we're we're in this situation because 20 years ago we decided to get a way with morality you know and and we said moral relativism is good will. Now what we have is we don't even know if there is truth or not.
So anything goes and we are honest, fast, were on a fast track to a spiraling craziness if you will, because nobody wants to even say this is reality and this is not reality you're listening to policy matters a resource to listen to our radio show online resources that will be a voice of persuasion in your community to our website and see family.org but really is and I think that we see this with the highest levels of government, of course, in the previous presidential administration present Obama's administration sent out letters to all public schools, colleges and universities around the country that basically said we are directing you to redefine the definition of the word sucks.
No longer is it going to be male or female, but it is going to be determined based on the whatever those individuals want to be identified as and so if you have a boy who wants to go into the girls locker room shower changing room play on a gray sports team which were seeing more and more if you got a individuals college students. For example, who were traveling for events or whatnot and there is a boy that identifies as a girl them. That person has to be housed in girls dormitory work with a girl in a hotel room. Those types of things. The implications of these are so far-reaching and if we if we just kowtow as you say to peer pressure and this radical agenda good and in some cases is being forced or attempted to be forced down people's throats them. We are just going to continue to see the repercussions grow more and more and more so, as you say is really imperative that we take a stand for what is right and true and what we intrinsically know is the truth and we have to have to pack telephone to protect children, all children, we need to protect the kids.
We need to protect the freshman girls who say I'm a girl I really don't want a girl a guy who said he's a girl sleeping in my room and oh by the way state and college. You can't make me have her sleep in my room.
You know when we adult give up on that got to get that fight.
Then we throw the fight and the consequences of that fight right onto the backs of our children and our children should never be expected to fight. We should we should never allow have to have our third-graders or fifth-grader in a bathroom traumatized by another child who is not. It was very psychologically ill and confused. We need to protect those kids to is not the fault of the transgender children.
This is not the fault, the fault lies on the on the shoulders of the adults who are on willing to fight for the protection of all kids will so truth, and Dr. Meeker as we wrap up our discussion. I'm sure that many of our listeners who are parents or children themselves may feel at a loss as to how to have conversations about gender and sexuality with each other. How do you recommend the parents approach conversations about these issues with their children and at what age would you recommend they begin to engage in those conversations.
Well, unfortunately it has to start early. You talk about gender identity, in early elementary school years as well as sexual activity and I recommend a parent just listen to your children.
When your children start coming home with questions that they don't let up on then you need to have a conversation. The conversation about sex activity for kids usually starts around the second grade because even if you have the youngest child in your home. He or she is in a classroom of kids with older siblings and Noah's older siblings have given their younger sibling, tearful and not landing your Lap on my website. I have a whole series on how to have a talk with your kids on what you say and how you do it and it make Meeker MD.com when you're coming to gender identity issues is more complicated. It's trickier because you're not dealing with a child who comes in and says I look like a boy but I'm really a girl you have a teacher who's affirming that.
So now you got a child and I would say to parents what I believe my good friend Leonard sax is brilliant on on this kind of thing.
Gender identity issues is an MD PhD psychologist said maybe you need to switch schools maybe you need to get your kids in private school.
We may be at that day where we just need to stand up to school not for my kids. Gender identity issues are little bit trickier, but fundamentally, listen to your kids and answer your there kick the question. Don't let them go unanswered because they will find answers somewhere and let them know you know honey. Mrs. so-and-so may believe this and think this mommy and daddy will we think a little bit differently on we want don't want to be a big deal for you year in school to learn your writing and your math and that kind of thing. But whenever things get confusing for you around things that your teachers think always come home and talk to mom and dad and will help you with that. Make yourself the go to person for all on questions about serious matters like gender issues, and sexuality and sex activity that your child will have established yourself mom or dad is the go to person for your child, and I guarantee you the computer question. Well, that's great advice Dr. Meeker. This is been a fascinating discussion and I will give you the opportunity to repeat that website where our listeners can go to learn more about this topic and avail themselves of your very helpful in important research and writings on this and in a number of other family parenting and child issues make Meeker MD.com make Meeker MD.com I do my best to answer readers question. I have a lot of help and resources on there like a video on how to have to talk with your kids, so I really encourage you to go there and I really encourage our listeners. Please, please, please, you know. Use your common sense are our world is going crazy around us and we got to band together and stand up for the good fight, which is the fight for the protection of our children grade will document Meeker. Thanks so much for being with us on family policy matters and for your great work working on behalf of children and families across our nation's auction of NZ family to listen to our radio show online, and for more valuable resources and information about issues important to families in North Carolina go to our website and see family.org and follow us on Twitter and Facebook