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And how restrained he was. I was saddened to see President Biden's state. That's what I expected actually four years ago when they debated.
So I've had concerns all this time. I was saddened to see it. I don't rejoice in it. Obviously there's panic in Democratic candidates. We've got to get another candidate, etc.
So I don't gloat over that. I wish President Biden the best. And ideally it would be good if he was out of the public spotlight and out of the pressure of this and could just concentrate on his own health while being just my opinion so I don't gloat. And in any case, this is not an endorsement of Trump.
It's simply an observation in terms of as I watched. I did write an article that will post in a little while on various sites and on social media saying, hey, let the pundits discuss the debate. Here's what I want to say. Here's the emphasis I want to bring as a leader in the body, which is not about politics, it's about how we conduct ourselves. That's one. Two, have you ever gotten in a welcome tour? Find out more about my own testimony from LSD to PhD about the three R's of our ministry, revival in the church, moral and cultural gospel based revolution in society and redemption of Israel.
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Welcome to the line of fire. Hi, Dr. Brown. I tried to call yesterday while you had your guest on there.
Yeah, I had a bunch of callers had a bunch of conversation guy there. Yeah. But anyway, Daniel nine.
I just wanted to tell them where I'm a partial prejudice. By the way, but I just wanted to share my thoughts regarding Daniel nine. And to me, they're exactly. It's exactly Ezekiel four, basically, is what I wanted to try and do, try and really.
So so. Well, if you do the math on Ezekiel four, basically, you have you ever questioned Ezekiel four? Like, why the small number and why the big number? No, not at all. Okay, well, I did. It's pretty it's pretty clear what you do with the Northern Kingdom versus the Southern Kingdom. And they go to the Northern Kingdom was longer than the guilt of the Southern Kingdom, et cetera. And the Northern Kingdom was exiled earlier. You know, it's not it's not mysterious among scholars in terms of why there is that difference there.
Yes, I've never wondered about it seemed pretty self-evident. Yeah, see, and I did question it, but I added them up and you get four hundred and thirty years. And so if you measure from the destruction of the first temple back four hundred and thirty years, you're basically taken back to the time of Solomon when the when the during the construction. Right. So let's just let's just do the math.
So five eighty six, the temple is destroyed. Right. So you want to add four hundred thirty to that. Correct.
So you had four hundred thirty. Basically. Right. So it's not basically it's accurate or it's not.
Solomon finishes the construction of the temple in nine sixty six. You're what you're adding gets you back into the days of David or earlier. So it doesn't fit. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't fit according to the math. The math is off. But that's not again, that's not what those years are about.
They don't have to be added together. They're two separate entities based on the historic sin of Israel and historic sin of Judah. And a lot of it is looking in a retrospective way as opposed to a future prophecy there.
Yeah. So it really doesn't tie in with Daniel nine at all. OK, because to me, it does like the four thirty four, basically, that you end up with in in the 70 in Daniel nine is basically the same as the four thirty and Ezekiel four. But it's not leads up to the destruction of a temple. But it's not, of course, Christ when you pardon. But but it's not.
Yeah, it's not here, David. Just just with all respect, the the math is math. In other words, if you say, OK, well, if you add up like forty eight and sixteen, that'll get you to sixty four. So that's basically your age.
No, I'm I'm sixty nine. It's not basically it's it's the wrong age doesn't work. So the years don't work. And the four hundred thirty four years, you can't separate from the rest. You've got to look at the four hundred eighty three years in in in Daniel. And that's what gets you up to the time of the Messiah.
So the. I appreciate. Listen, I love when people dig. I love when people try to think through. What's the word really say here? How should I understand that, et cetera?
I love that. But it's it's it doesn't fit. The context doesn't fit. The prophecies don't fit. The math doesn't fit. The years don't fit.
So it just it just doesn't work. So in any case, but I appreciate the effort and looking at things. Hey, regarding the call yesterday.
Yes. So when when a religious Jewish caller will call in, I really do my best to to give them time and to interact, because I know it's it's it's breaking out of their normal mold for some even getting online is or watching videos is crossing a line watching my stuff is. So I really want to honor that and respect that.
Plus, I find that it's a really good learning experience for everybody to hear the traditional Jewish perspective. It was impressive with the caller yesterday. We had it on the screen, a shner, but there's no way our our guys would know that the name shner. Right. So so that was close. Our call screener did a good job of getting us close. But it's actually shner, which is the first name of the founding rabbi of the Lubavitch Chabad movement. Shner is almond of the Adi, but in any call the altar, maybe the like the older, the original grand rabbi of their movement. But I thought I was talking to a young man.
And when he identified himself as being 15, I thought, yeah, that's that just shows how serious they are in terms of their studies. Etc. So let's let's pray that God would open up his heart and his mind as he seeks. But I had a bunch of calls. I never got to because I wanted to honor that time with him. All right. We go over to Oklahoma. Chandler, welcome to the line of fire.
Hi, thank you so much. You bet. I just wanted to kind of explain where I'm coming from with this question. I'm a Christian myself, and so I'm always asking hard questions to challenge what I believe to drive me further to the truth. But this recent question I've had, I've kind of struggled with.
And I thought that with your background, you could probably provide a unique perspective on it. And I know you're well versed in the scripture. And so in light of the conflict with Israel and Hamas.
I was thinking if I was standing on a street evangelizing and someone came to me and made the claim that they are, say, an atheist or something. And they claimed that all religions follow the same pattern, which just proves that it's just human inventions. And so in the Bible, God commanded Israel to kill women and children.
And that's what Hamas is doing today there. And that's what they claim that their God told them to do. And so it proves that these are all just human inventions and things. Not that I believe that, but I was just thinking if someone was to ask me that, what would be my response to them? And I have some different thoughts, but I was wondering what your thoughts would be. Yeah, I appreciate the question, and I love asking hard questions of yourself.
I've done that for decades. So, number one, we'd have to say, well, then atheism is also a human invention because atheist leaders have called women and children, be it in North Korea, be it under Stalin, et cetera, and other godless regimes. They've killed, butchered as many people, if not more than anyone in history, the godless leaders, the anti-God leaders. So if it proves that it's a human invention because they'll go the same direction, well, then atheism must be a human invention as well.
That's one thing. The second thing is the vast majority of Muslims worldwide are not going around slaughtering innocent men, women and children, raping women, et cetera. And through Christian history, you never have a mandated movement with scriptural basis that is butchering men, women and children. Just say, OK, there are two plus billion Christians around the world. Where are they carrying this out?
Where are they doing this? Why is it that Christianity is known much better around the world for feeding the poor, caring for the needy, building hospitals, improving education, et cetera? So Christianity is known around the world for the good works that it does. That's why it's had such a great impact over world history. And as far as the Jewish faith, there was a one time command under very specific circumstances to carry out the killing of the Canaanites, who were exceptionally wicked. And there may have been other issues going on as well. But I wouldn't get into them so much with an atheist.
There was a one time command. Otherwise, Judaism puts a very high value on human life. And you can ask the question, OK, let's just look through history then. Once we get after the time of Joshua, let's go through Jewish history and let's please find the times when the Jewish people are doing this in the name of religion, going about killing innocent women and children, et cetera.
It's not there. So Hamas would be an aberration or an extreme version of Islam, but does not represent the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. The Christian faith does not go about slaughtering women and children. To the contrary, it does good around the world. Judaism puts a very high value of life. And more blood was shed in the 20th century by atheistic leaders like Mao, the greatest mass killer of all time, or Stalin, or Hitler, who saw the Christian faith as weak and wanted his own Aryan supremacy movement. So the ones who are the greatest butchers of all are the ones who reject the values of scripture. So pretty simple answer.
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Sorry, Dr. Brown. Thanks for taking my call. You bet. Awesome.
Now, you said before that a good rule of thumb is to major on the majors and to minor on the minors. Sure. With that being said, I wanted to get your opinion on Christian Universalists, if they're guilty of heresy more specifically.
I know you have a program that it was an error. But more specifically, if Christian Universalists are guilty of heresy, if so, why? Okay. I do believe Christian Universalism is a heresy.
I'll explain why in a moment. There is a leader who I always thought was an evangelical brother in the Lord. And found out that he's written on Christian Universalism and his books have been widely respected.
And he's offered to come on the air. So, one of these days I may have him on to present his viewpoint and then for me to push back against it. So, on the one hand, I believe it's heretical because ultimately it says that everyone will get in. Everyone will be redeemed. Now, some go as far as saying even Satan and demons will be redeemed.
But let's just say the human race. That ultimately either through a time of purging and cleansing and transformation and paying for sin, whatever other aspects that has over a period of time, that ultimately those people will be redeemed and cleansed. Or another version, which is a more dangerous one, is that all faiths ultimately come through Jesus whether they know it or not. So, a devout Muslim, a devout Jew, a devout Buddhist or whoever. Even though they don't know Jesus, they're coming to God through him or whatever conception of deity they have. So, therefore, the Gospel doesn't even need to be preached in that respect. So, that latter version of Christian Universalism, sir, the one that says that all faiths are coming to God through Jesus, even if they don't know it, that is definitely heretical.
Because then you're saying that a sincere Muslim, a sincere Jew, a sincere Hindu, they're all somehow saved. So, that's extreme, that's dangerous, that's heretical. Those who say salvation only comes through Jesus, but there is some type of redemption after death, even if it takes place over a period of centuries, that view has been held at different times in the church by those who were not always considered heretics. I do believe it is heretical to hold to because, again, it is saying that there is no eternal punishment, there is no final destruction that everyone ultimately gets in, which is denying a very important and major part of scripture, and even part of the intensity of the warning that we bring. Am I saying that any individual who holds to it is not saved?
No. God's the judge. In other words, someone may hold to an orthodox message of salvation, and so only through the blood of Jesus, he died for our sins, he rose from the dead, he's God in the flesh, etc., and we should share the Gospel with everyone, but there is this hope after death of people getting in. I'm not going to say that person isn't saved, I'll say it's a heretical belief and dangerous, and that can lead to all kinds of other errors down the line. But some people may be orthodox believers and have this heretical error.
In other cases, it completely disqualifies them for the faith. God is the judge of that. That's helpful. Thanks for parsing that out. I would be very interested if you are able to get that individual to have a conversation with.
I'd be interested to see that. Thanks for asking that. In fairness, since I haven't gotten to it, the gentleman that's reached out to me is George Sarris. He's actually been the reader on some of my books, some of my Audible books. That's how I saw his name, and then he's reached out to me about this.
I just haven't responded out of busyness, not out of neglect. Another author, but not coming from an evangelical viewpoint, David Bentley Hart. His book on Christian Universalism is getting more traction these days.
If you want major reformation or major response to that, Professor Gerald McDermott has written on that extensively and was on the air discussing that with me. Hey, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate it. All right, 866-34-TRUTH.
Let's go over to Chicago. Darnell, you are on the line of fire. Hey, Dr. Brown.
Hey. Listen, I'm having an issue trying to understand Genesis 3 verse 1, where it talks about the serpent. And I know many teachers and pastors out there teach that that's Satan, that God kicked out of heaven. But I can't make the connection, so can you please help me out with that?
Yes, sir. So, retrospectively, looking at other scripture, we say that it was Satan speaking through the snake. For example, he's called the ancient serpent in the New Testament. And the New Testament references Satan deceiving Eve and things like that. So we know that, retrospectively, it was Satan working through the snake, the nachash in Hebrew. However, if you were just reading the ancient account, it's saying that the snake was more shrewd, more cunning than the other animals. And that's how the snake was able to deceive Eve.
So it's pictured in this way. And part of the ancient world looked to all of these different demonic powers, these deities, these false gods, and gave them all kinds of power. And Genesis is saying, no, no, there's only one god. There's only one god.
That's it. It was taking the bite out of this view that all these other beings were these powerful spiritual beings. And there's only one god. And it's painting the picture here of a talking snake talking to human beings. However, once you step back, you realize, OK, the snake does not have moral qualities.
The snake cannot possibly have the ability to speak in itself. This is obviously something supernatural and greater going on. And who was it? Who was the deceiver?
Who was the one who did it? Now you look back and recognize that's Satan. That's the work of Satan. And it's just the way he does things, taking a certain truth, twisting it, adding to it, making you be suspicious of God. Those are those are the exact ways of Satan.
He's just not overtly identified as such. And especially if you're trying to teach people that there's only one god who's all powerful and everything else is created, that in the ancient world, if you immediately start talking about this powerful being called Satan, the devil, then many people are going to go worship him. So he's just presented as a talking snake that was more cunning than the other animals. But like I say, if you read the rest of the Bible, if you read, for example, Second Corinthians Chapter 11, if you read Revelation Chapter 12, it's clear that this ancient serpent was Satan. It was Satan speaking through him. And that's the only logical way to explain it. So, again, a physical animal does not have those moral qualities. A physical animal does not have the ability to speak and interact, let alone to take a spiritual role of seducing people into rebellion against God. That's the work of Satan. That's one of the reasons he's called the serpent.
One of the main reasons is because it goes back to Genesis 3. Hey, is that helpful? Does that answer your question? Yes, I appreciate you and I'm going to look more deeply into it. Thank you, Dr. Brown. You bet, sir. So, again, Second Corinthians Chapter 11 references this.
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866-348-7884. I posted this tongue in cheek earlier today. I saw, I didn't watch it. I don't watch this stuff. But another critics video attacking me.
It was like an hour long or something. I feel bad for the people that do. I feel bad for the time that they waste. And more importantly, I'd love to be a blessing in their lives. Minister to them, help them, strengthen them.
But that doesn't become an option. But I do feel bad for them missing out on so much of the good that God is doing. And spending their time on that where they can spend it in so many other better ways. And help those that don't know the Lord. And address the real issues and needs within the body.
But anyway, I just saw the types. Oh, these poor guys. Just pray for them and go on. So for fun though, I just posted this on X to get some interesting responses. After endless challenges from cessationist critics to spend more of my time calling out false teachers. I'm going to take up the challenge. I'll start by calling out those who falsely teach cessationism. Then those who teach the pre-trip rapture. Then those who teach Calvinism.
Sound good? And I did it with a smiley face. Not everyone realized that I was doing it tug-in-cheek. But in any case, there we go. 866-348-7884. Let us go to Andreas in Los Angeles. Welcome to the Long of Fire. Hey, Dr. Michael Brown. We spoke once before. It was a while back. I had a question. I've been kind of diving into the Talmud a little bit. Just to kind of get an understanding of early Judaism. At the time, like right before Jesus, which I think is quite interesting. So just a quick question for you. If you're looking for the time right before Jesus, why are you looking at the Talmud? Oh, maybe not the Talmud, but some stuff in the Talmud is stuff like Hillel and some of the older stuff, you know? Got it.
Okay. The New World, third century, yeah. And my thing is the oral Torah. Do you think that there is a slight truth to it? Not saying the whole, because I think it was fabricated in the Talmud. But I think before, do you think there could have been some sort of, I guess, hidden code within Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple? Yeah, first the oral Torah is a great question, sir. First the oral Torah is not about a hidden code. So was there a hidden code? No, absolutely categorically not. Without any possible question, absolutely not.
Not even a debate. As for whether there were oral traditions passed on through centuries, there certainly were. As for whether some of them became binding, they certainly did. As to whether they were recognized in other sects within Judaism, say the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the others. No, those traditions were not recognized in those other groups, which is part of the battle, the conflict that they had.
And as to whether these go back to Moses on Mount Sinai, absolutely, categorically not. So what you basically have is when Yeshua talks about the traditions of the elders, for example in Matthew 15 and Mark 7, that the Pharisees claimed to have traditions that were passed down over the generations. And you even see some of the debate in writing within the Dead Sea Scrolls, the famous document 4QMMT, which is religious debate, legal debate between different groups within ancient Judaism prior to the time of Jesus, that the only ones that were relying on an oral tradition were the Pharisees. Others were relying on just their own understanding of scripture or principles of interpreting scripture and things like that.
Yeah, like the Sadducees? Yeah, Sadducees or the Essenes with their peshara understanding of scripture. So the point is, you could say in that sense, that the Pharisees were more like the Catholics who said we have the Bible and church traditions. So they had the Bible and Jewish tradition, whereas the Sadducees were more like the Protestants that said it's just the Bible.
And other traditions that we have are secondary to that in authority. So in any case, what you have is these traditions of the elders going back several generations. From what we can see, the Pharisees began as a movement somewhere in the 160s BC, about the time of the rise of the Maccabees and the Hasmonean Empire, pushing back against secularism and Greek Hellenism and things like that. So they were a purity sect that grew up within Judaism.
It could be a little bit older than that, but that's the earliest clear origins. And then they began to develop traditions which they began to pass on. And by the time you get to the days of Yeshua, he's talking about the traditions of the elders. He's talking about the things that have been passed on that are now getting in the way of the word of God. There's a time it now became rejected to push back that the traditions of the elders go all the way back to Moses and Mount Sinai. Just a cute little story.
Like a giant game of telethon. Yeah, exactly. And then at a certain point, because it's such a large game, it has to be written down. You know, people say, why is there a law written down? Because it's only supposed to be passed down orally.
You could not, or you're forbidden to write it. Well, the answer is that over time it became so massive. And then with the Jewish people being scattered through persecution and difficult economic situations, the only way to maintain it was to write it down because it became so massive and cumbersome. And then each generation adds to it. Because, alright, here's what we learned from our grandparents and great-grandparents, etc., allegedly all the way back to Moses.
But now there's new development, new technology, new situation arose. OK, let's make a decision on that so that that becomes part of the oral tradition so it keeps growing and snowballing. But I'll tell you a cute story. So I got saved in an Italian Pentecostal church in 1971. And there's a joke, I've been to Italy on 28 trips, preached hundreds and hundreds of messages there of dear friends there. There is a joke that Italian Pentecostals have one tradition and one tradition only. If the Catholics do it, we don't. So our perception was, we go straight back to the Bible and we kind of bypass church tradition. And you had to be really suspect of church tradition. And, you know, I came to faith in this church, so this is the only congregation I knew, right? This is the only teaching I knew. And I just, that's what I measured everything by.
It's like you get used to a certain type of cooking and someone else cooks differently and you think, oh, that's terrible because you're not used to it. So one day I asked the pastor's wife, I said, where did he get such pure doctrine? Because, again, this is what I'm being taught. So I'm measuring everything by what I'm being taught.
And it's amazingly accurate. And I'm deeply appreciative to these precious men and women of God who prayed me into the kingdom and were patient with me in my early days and so on. So I asked, where did you get such pure doctrine? And she said, he got it from my dad. Her dad was named Brother Pat.
He was the founding pastor of the church. I said, where did Brother Pat get it from? And she said, he got it from the elders.
So now I'm really intrigued. I said, where did the elders get it? And she said, oh, they got it straight from God. And when you trace it back, it's basically a lot of them came to faith or filled with the Spirit in the days of the Azusa Street outpouring in the early 1900s. So that's basically where it started. So in their minds, it went straight back to God. So any religious group can do that.
Traditions are passed on over the decades, over the centuries, and that's what we've always done, as far back as we can go. So I was just in Israel. And I was talking to a friend while there. And we were walking to just pray together at the wall, at the so-called wailing wall at the end of Shavuot.
So the end of the first day of the Feast of Pentecost. And as we walked, there were different Hasidic men that were walking by, ultra-orthodox. And some of them were wearing these outfits, not just the black coat, but knickers, not regular pants, but knickers.
And so the pant leg stops at a certain way, almost like women's capris, and then with these high socks and a certain kind of hat. And I said to my colleague I was walking with, I said, why do they dress like that? There's nothing in the Bible about dressing like that. There's nothing in the Talmud about dressing like that.
But the communities that they came from in Eastern Europe, let's say at the height of their spiritual movement, or where they thought they had the greatest teachers and leaders, right? That in this context, that's how they all dressed. So that becomes the way the holy men dress. This becomes the way the holy men conduct themselves, because that's just the way they dressed in their town in Eastern Europe.
In other words, it's got, sorry for being modest, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible or Judaism. It's just the way they dress then, so that's the way they dress now. But that became kind of locked in. So that's what I understand happened, the oral tradition. So of course, there were oral traditions passed on. There's no question that there were customary ways of doing things. Everybody has traditions, whether we like it or not.
Every church, every spiritual organization, you develop traditions over a period of time, and you do them because that's the way you've always done them. But the idea that there's an authoritative law going back to Moses, that God gave Moses two Torahs on Mount Sinai, Torah Shabbat, I'll pay the oral law, and then Torah Shabbat Tov, the written law, there's no foundation for that. There's no foundation for the rabbinic belief that you cannot understand the written law without the oral. And in my five-volume set, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, I focus on that in particular in volume five, going through the arguments for an oral law, going back to Moses, and refuting those. So one question for you. When you're reading excerpts of Talmud or studying it, how are you doing it?
What sources are you using? So I'm not going super into it. I'm reading a summary of the Talmud.
I'm not completely going through it because it would take forever. I'm reading a book called Everyman's Talmud by Abraham Cohen. So that's a good intro. That's especially a compilation of ideas. Once you get into it, it's a compilation of ideas. So it'll give you all kinds of really interesting aspects of Jewish tradition. If you want something that'll be a little more wide-ranging from a traditional point of view, get Steinshaltz introduction to the Talmud.
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You're shocked to hear this could have happened with a colleague. You grieve over those affected. But to weigh like the latest gossip columns, I mean, for me, there's no purpose in doing it. I'm not telling others what to do or not to do. But I've been writing articles about how to handle this, about how we address these issues. What's God doing in the midst? We're trying to be practical. The war in Gaza with Israel, trying to be practical in what's happening spiritually and get to the facts of things.
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OK, go into the phones in one moment. The other thing I wanted to mention is there are a number of Jewish resource sites now that are absolutely extraordinary. Resources that if you bought all the books would cost tens of thousands of dollars. You need a massive library. And then so much of it is just in Hebrew and Aramaic. You wouldn't be able to read it unless you knew those languages. But they're available online.
And in many cases with English translations, there is a Steinchild's Talmud compiled over a period of many years where he first took the difficult Aramaic of the Talmud, translated into Hebrew, then added his commentary, then translated all into English and multivolume set. I bought many, many of the volumes that are coming up. It was too expensive for me to keep up with and buy all of them. And now they're all available free online. So if you go to Sepharia, S-E-F-A-R-I-A. And I support them monthly because I use it frequently. Sepharia, it's a traditional Jewish Web site.
S-E-F-A-R-I-A dot org. Now, many of the resources are still in Hebrew, Aramaic only, but many are in English. And if you're curious, like, what's the Talmud actually about? Well, you really need to learn a lot of background.
It's ideal to have someone sit with you and explain and teach and introduce you to the Talmudic methodologies and logic. And I'm in that respect. I mean, I could go through all of that and the history of it and the overview. But there are scholars of Talmud and serious students of Talmud.
And in that regard, I'm a baby. OK, I know how to do the sources and dig and research. OK, but I'm not a Talmudic scholar.
I'm not. OK, there's a whole different world. There's a whole different universe, completely different universe.
But I could sit and orient someone to help them understand what they're doing, how they're doing, how to use the sources, et cetera. But what you find fascinating in Steinschaft's translation is the words in bold are the words in the original text of the Mishnah or the Gemara, the two parts of the Talmud. The words that are in regular print are his words of explanation. And often you'll find a paragraph with maybe 75 words and 10 are in bold. The rest are his explanation.
That's just to say how concise these things are expressed and how easy it is to misunderstand if you don't know what you're doing with the text. With that, we go back to Texas. Nara, thanks for calling the line of fire.
Hello, Dr. Brown. Thank you for taking my call. You bet. I was just reading Revelation 21 earlier and I was reading that, you know, the new heaven and the new earth. And I was reading how in John's vision, the new Jerusalem is coming down from heaven. So I'm wondering if this is literal, if this is literally going to happen, like a city coming down to Jerusalem or is the temple going to be built by man?
Do you know what I mean? Is it going to be man-made? Is it coming down from heaven?
I'm just struggling with this. No, it's a great question. Okay, so first thing, would you agree that there's a lot of symbolism in Revelation?
Yes. So beasts and unusual things happening and all kinds of creatures and so on. So it's filled with symbolism and vision. It is what is called apocalyptic literature. And it's painting everything in terms of the end of the world and the end of the age and in these visionary ways.
So what you want to do is get the overall message of what's coming, as opposed to argue about how literal it is. We know it will literally be a city with these dimensions. Now, that being said, my understanding is that before Jesus returns, human beings will rebuild the third temple. But that is not the glorious temple of the new heavens and the new earth. That this is at the end of the age, even after the Messiah rules and reigns on the earth for a thousand years, as I understand the prophetic scriptures.
And that God is going to renovate heaven and earth, as it says in 2 Peter 3, because of the sin and the corruption, because of the fall. That he's going to renovate it and remake on some level. So will a literal city come down? It's certainly not going to be something that we build. In other words, the new Jerusalem is not going to be something we build. So whatever earthly temple we build before the Lord returns, that's something different. There will be something that God builds. I mean, scripture speaks of it, a city whose builder and maker is God, right? Hebrews refers to that.
So we're looking forward to that. Will it literally come down from heaven to earth? Could be.
Could be. Will God remake everything in our presence? And whoa, we're astonished.
I don't know. But the picture is extraordinary. The picture is beyond words. The picture is to just help us grasp a little bit, a little bit, the depth and the beauty and the glory of what's going to be there forever and ever. So in that respect, yes, I do believe that when a believer dies in this world, that their spirit is with the Lord in heaven until the resurrection. But ultimately, from what scripture indicates, we won't be in heaven with the Lord forever. He'll be with us here on a new earth forever. And from here, we'll go, who knows what we get to do forever, what jobs and assignments we have and things that we do as we worship him and adore him and enjoy his presence and glorify him forever. And this much for sure, it's going to be far more glorious, wonderful than anything we can imagine. So either God's going to build it on earth or it's going to come down from heaven. All right, God bless you. And we'll make sure that we find ourselves there forever.
