The following is a prerecorded program. Dr. Ben Carson with a brand new crucially important book, The Perilous Fight. It's time for The Line of Fire with your host, biblical scholar and cultural commentator, Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice for moral sanity and spiritual clarity.
Call 866-34-TRUTH to get on The Line of Fire. And now here's your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Hey friends, this is Michael Brown. We've got a very, very special interview with the esteemed world renowned Dr. Ben Carson. You don't know Dr. Carson. You've been living under a rock somewhere from being a republican presidential candidate to serving in the cabinet to heading up a prestigious department in children's neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. A new book, The Perilous Fight. It's an urgent message.
Dr. Carson, welcome to The Line of Fire. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
It's my pleasure. So what is this fight about and why is it so perilous? Well, you know, our country was born in the crucible of war. No one gave us a country free of charge. And we had to fight for everything we had, particularly our freedoms. Now we're in a situation where our freedoms are challenged once again. You know, when Benjamin Franklin came out of the Constitution Hall in 1787, and he was asked, sir, what do we have here, monarchy or republic? He said, a republic, if you can keep it.
Hept it for 247 years. I don't think you have to be too observant to see that we have a lot of challenges to our traditional freedoms going on right now. But where is the base of our strength? Where is the foundation of our society?
It lies with the family. Those who want to fundamentally change our nation into a more Marxist type of state. They know that they cannot overcome us militarily. But how would you overcome a strong power like ours from within? And you go to the very foundation, which is the family which strengthens the society, which upholds the state.
So that's the fight that we're in. A lot of people don't realize it. But the fact of the matter is, we're down to the lowest number of traditional nuclear families that we've had in a very long time. And the nuclear family is where the values get transferred. And when you don't have nuclear families, many statistics have shown us from both liberal and conservative research groups, that those children do not do as well. They have much higher incidents of failure in school, of encounters with the police, of prison time, of mental illness, of ending up on public dole. The list goes on and on. And yet those children who do come from traditional nuclear families, much higher incidents of success in life in general.
The model that we have for the family is an excellent model. There's no reason for us to throw it away. We need to go toward it, not away from it.
Right. So the whole premise is that the way that God set things up, that's best for humans thriving. You know, many people don't even stop and wonder why does the government even get involved with the subject of marriage? It was understood that healthy marriages and healthy families would be the cornerstone of a healthy society. So because marriage conveys benefits on society, society conveys benefits on marriage.
That's the way things work. But you lay out in your book, The Perilous Fight Friends, this is hot off the press by Dr. Ben Carson. You lay out how we were founded on biblical values. Obviously we've had issues, problems. There's the whole retelling of American history, 16, 19 only racist, terrible racist. The fact is there are many fine principles that our country was founded on. Did the statistics indicate to the extent we have abandoned those biblical principles, it has brought real harm not just to the family but society as a whole?
Without question. You know, there were many who really thought that the whole ideal of America was a crazy idea. You can't have a country run on the will of the people.
And what is this stuff about your rights coming from God and not from the government? They thought you had to have a monarch, you had to have a ruling body. And we instead had founders who studied a lot of different governments, every government that ever existed in fact.
And they were eclectic, they took the good stuff and they got rid of the bad stuff. But our Constitution was actually based upon biblical principles. And it's interesting, you might note that in 1963 the Supreme Court ruled no prayer in school, take the Bibles off.
People started taking down the Ten Commandments. What exactly is wrong with ouch or not kill and ouch or not steal and ouch or not commit adultery and ouch or not envy and honor your parents? And I would ask people that question. And they never had an answer. Because there is no good answer.
There is nothing that's wrong with those things. But the problem is you have a society now where people don't want to recognize the truth. They want to have my truth and your truth. And everybody gets to be their own decider of what is right and what is wrong. That is the precursor to the downfall of a society. Yeah, so we've gone from there was a time when we used to think there were absolute moral standards. Then they become relativized.
There's my right for you is not right for me. Then with truth. So we now have my truth, your truth, and then reality. Reality is now whatever you perceive it to be. Reality has become relativized as well.
But as you point out in Perilous Fight, this doesn't work, that these things ultimately break down. You can have all the transgender theory that you want, but when you actually break things down and walk them out in life, they do not work. As you were researching for this book and then with your involvement in the cabinet and all the things you focused on, what to you are some of the most striking statistics that point to the breakdown of the family and the deleterious effect this has now on the broader society? Well, the fact that when you come from a broken family, your likelihood of ending up in the penal system is twice as high as when you come from a traditional nuclear family. You know, that is a very impressive statistic. The fact that you have a much higher incidence of mental illness, that tells you something very striking about the family because you get your values and you get your foundation from someplace.
Now, if that's a family that has good values, you're in good shape, you're in solid shape, but if it isn't, you're going to find them somewhere else. We're seeing the results of that play out in our society today. We see all of these college students who are so easily manipulated to the point that they are advocating for terrorists and refusing to even acknowledge the existence of some of the terroristic acts that have been carried out. That's what happens when you don't have a foundation, you know, and you don't know your history because history gives you your identity. And your identity is the basis of your beliefs. So if you break that chain anywhere, you become like a leaf blowing in the wind.
Anything that comes by picks you up and carries you away. We're seeing that. That was never the case in the past. In the past, we were very proud of our history. We taught our children, they were well educated. When Alexis the Tookill came to America in 1831 to study America because the Europeans were so fascinated with how a nation barely 50 years old was already competing with them on virtually every level. One of the things that he was most impressed with was the level of education of the people. He could find a mountain man in the middle of the woods and the guy could read and tell them about the Declaration of Independence. And if you really want to be impressed, take a look at a 6th grade exit exam from 150 to 200 years ago. What you had to know to get a 6th grade certificate.
It will blow your mind. And particularly when you compare it with you see these man on the street interviews today. You ask people who was the first president? They don't know. They don't know what countries border the United States of America. How many Supreme Court justices there are? How many branches of government they are?
What are they? I mean just basic stuff. They don't know. When you don't know basic stuff, it becomes very easy for people to lead you around by the nose. Yeah, as the foundations are shaken, everything else in turn falls apart. And the foundation of all foundations in America, in our social life, is the family, the stable family. The book by Dr. Ben Carson, Hot Off the Press, The Perilous Fight.
We've got about two minutes before before the next break, but we can start here. Is there a solution to these problems found in Washington, D.C.? Is this a matter of if we can vote in the right candidates, we can fix this problem? Well, you bring up a very important point, and that is our founders knew that we would reach a point where there would be significant argument about whether we have the right system and whether we should be changing to something else. And they put the ultimate power in the hands of the people. The people have to exercise that power correctly. Most people don't do that. When they go to vote, they look for the name that looks familiar.
It could be the devil. It doesn't matter. That's the one that you're going to vote for. You have to know who those people are. You have to do some due diligence.
It makes a big difference. And you don't have to stand for things that don't make any sense. When places are being monitored and they say you can only monitor the voting location from way over there where you can't see what's going on, you don't have to accept that. Or they say the signatures don't have to match. You don't have to accept that. Or a hundred ballots can come from the same address. You don't have to accept that. When you accept stuff, they keep doing it. And then they say, well, yeah, it has to be but it's not enough to affect the vote.
Don't believe it. And we just need to be, and this should be something that should be a bipartisan issue. Everybody should be interested in election integrity. Yeah, absolutely.
It's strange that there's even resistance to that whatsoever. All right, friends, we've got one more segment with Dr. Carson, his brand new book, The Perilous Fight. And the fight is for the family. When we come back, I want to ask just a couple of basic questions. Obviously the book will open it up in full, but what are common sense things we can do? And then Dr. Carson's own upbringing, raised in difficult situation, not an ideal home setting and overcoming so much of that.
What perspective does it give on the family today? Remember, if you're not getting our frontline newsletter once a month, digital, informational, inspirational, go to thelineoffire.org, thelineoffire.org. Hit subscribe, you can name an email and we'll send it right out to you. We'll be right back. It's The Line of Fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get on The Line of Fire by calling 866-34 TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.
Welcome back friends to The Line of Fire, my very special guest today, so please be able to take time out to join us. Dr. Ben Carson, his new book, The Perilous Fight. Dr. Carson, just something anecdotal. I remember the first Republican national presidential debate and you were just not getting adequate time to air your viewpoints. And finally at the end, you got to talk about what you have seen and known in the surgeries you performed and all of this.
And suddenly I thought, oh, that man knows something. How in the world did you get from the upbringing you had to the place in society you've been? And how has that affected your perspective on the family? Well, you know, I did grow up in the traditional family in the sense that, you know, my mother, who came from a very large rural family in Tennessee, poverty-stricken, shifted from home to home, never finished the third grade, got married at age 13. My father was much older than she was.
They moved to Detroit. He was a factory worker and a part-time preacher, but she subsequently found out he was also a bigamist. And so that resulted in a divorce and she had the task of raising two young sons in the inner city of Detroit with no support.
We moved in with some relatives. And the thing that really made the difference was that even though she didn't have any education, she knew that education was the key. She worked as a domestic cleaning other people's houses and they were very nice houses. And she was also a spy. She was saying, what makes these people so successful? And she recognized that they didn't do a lot of TV watching. They did a lot of reading, studying, and planning.
And she came home and posed that on me and my brother. We would not have the campers. In today's world we would have called social services, but we had to do it. We had to do it. And it was all of that reading that we had to do. As I read about successful people, pioneers of industry and entrepreneurs and scientists and surgeons, I began to realize that the person who has the most to do what happens to you is you. And what a difference that made in my life. I threw away all the counsel from people who were saying you can't succeed and this society is stacked against you.
I just threw all this stuff in the rubbish and started concentrating on what I could do. And I became the bookworm. She didn't have to ask me to read from that point on. And my brother also, she got a lot of criticism. People were saying, you can't make boys stay in the house and read books. They'll grow up and they'll hate you. And I used to say, you know they're right, mother.
But, you know, we had to do it anyway. But I think she got the last laugh because one son became a brain surgeon and the other became a rocket scientist. So it can be done.
It's more difficult when you don't have the traditional family. But what you have to have is that dogged determination to have your children succeed. And prayer and faith. She had plenty of that.
And that makes up for a multitude of sins. Amazing. What a story. Dr. Ben Carson, the new book, The Perilous Fight. Can you just give us, in a few minutes we have, some common sense things that families can do, that parents can do, to start to bring about change and recapture so much of what's been lost to us?
Yes. It's so important to spend time with your family, with your children, to talk to them. You know, one of the things that I recognized when my kids were growing up is that I was an incredibly busy surgeon, working ridiculous hours. But I was also traveling a lot, giving a lot of thoughts. So I insisted that my family go with me. All the kids had frequent flyer cards for every airline.
They have to travel all over the world. So we could spend a lot of time together. That's how you pass down values. Otherwise, they would have been saying, Mommy, that strange guy was in the house again last night. You know, you have to plan these things and get away from all the electronics and all the social media. You know, the average kid, and sometimes not kids, spend more than four hours a day with those things.
That's valuable time that could be spent with the family. Because, again, that's where your values come from. And we need to concentrate also on our relationship with God.
You know, the United States of America went from a rag-tag bunch of militiamen to the pinnacle of the world in record time. We also had a Declaration of Independence that said our rights come from our Creator, aka God. We had that in our schools, in our public places.
We talk about it. And we live by it. Our faith told us to love your neighbor, not cancel your neighbor if they have a different yard sign. We had a sense of community.
All of those things are family-derived, family principles. And this country early on was composed of communities with only 50 or 100 families. And there's no other community for 50 or 100 miles. Not only did they survive, but they thrive.
Why? Because they understood the concept of the common good. That's a phrase you see a lot in our founding documents. What's good for everybody? Not just what's good for this group or that group. Where's the place that you learned that in the beginning in your family? In your brothers and sisters, you learned that they're not the same as you are. And they have opinions and they have rights. You learn how to respect other people. And you learn how to work together with other people. That's the thing that will be so important to our country.
And I have a little acrostic I use. It's Kwane. W-A-N-E. We've allowed hatred and division to wax for a long time. Now it's time for it to wane.
And that stands for we are not enemies. You can take the most radical right-wing person, the most radical left-wing person, and they will agree on 80% of stuff. But we allow the manipulators to take that 20% and exacerbate it to something that is all-encompassing and have people wind up at each other's throats.
We don't need to do that. We need to intelligently discuss our differences with the facts on the table. And I think we could have a very different situation, but we're being manipulated. And I talk about this in the book, but in 1963, read into the congressional record were the 45 goals of communists in America.
And you'll see things that you recognize today. Like infiltrating the public school system and the teacher unions so you can indoctrinate the kids. Hollywood and television, particularly the news, so that you could feed to the people only what you wanted them to hear and exclude what you didn't want them to hear. Driving wedges between parents and their children. And usurping the authority of parents. You see a lot of that in the transgender movement.
And it goes on and on. There will be 45 of them you'll recognize, most of them as having been accomplished. Yeah, it's remarkable. That's the very reason that Khrushchev said to Eisenhower, your grandchildren's children will live under our system. Yeah, they had the vision of the long march and we're seeing it work itself out. All right, friends, all we did was just stick our toe in the pond here.
You need to get the book, Dr. Ben Carson, The Perilous Fight. And I love the Wayne acronym. I love the fact that we are not enemies.
We can work together for the common good and we can all start living it out in our own home. Sir, I know you're busy. I deeply appreciate you taking the time to come on and talk about this. And most of all, thank you for writing the book and being who you are. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for being the coachman.
All right, God bless you. Again, the book, Dr. Ben Carson, The Perilous Fight, I'm sure available everywhere that books are sold. You can connect with Dr. Carson in many different ways online, but get the book, The Perilous Fight, and we will be right back. It's The Line of Fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome back to The Line of Fire. Michael Brown, delighted to be with you here to equip you, empower you, help you to stand strong on the front lines. I hope you enjoyed the interview with Dr. Carson, actually the first time that I've actually spoken with him directly.
And I'm sure just with his background and with the position that he had in the Trump administration, I'm sure the data in that book is rich in terms of what happens with the breakdown of the family. But a word of redemption, you may really have a mess of a family situation. Either you've grown up in one or you're raising your kids in one. Maybe you've been abandoned as a spouse. Maybe you've gone through just all kinds of unexpected hardship and difficulty. Remember, God is a redeemer. And don't worry about the odds.
Don't worry about the stats. You can be the exception, just like Dr. Carson and his brother were exceptions. You can be an exception if you really look to the Lord. And that's where the church works together to help fill in gaps and voids within families to be a family together. Okay, I'm not going to be taking any calls, but I want to get into something that happened all last week. This is with controversy over a speech that was given by an NFL great at a traditional Catholic college. I was not familiar with the college known as Bennett Dean College, but highly rated both as a Catholic school, liberal arts school, but a traditional school. And they invited NFL place kicker Harrison Butler to speak.
They knew exactly who they were asking for and what they were getting. So there was no outrage on the campus over his speech. And if he had been some unknown person giving a speech on campus, you know, this is traditional Catholic speech and traditional Catholic college and no big deal. But because it's an NFL story, he's the place kicker on the Kansas City Chiefs. He's the best place kicker or one of the best in the NFL.
You know, these guys have ice in their veins and kick these amazing distances with incredible consistency. And I'd heard he was Christian. He is a traditional Catholic.
I mean, Latin mass, traditional Catholic. He gave his remarks at the college and next thing there's outrage over it. As of a few days ago, last I checked, the petition on change.org calling for the chiefs to fire him was had over 100,000 people outraged. How dare he make these comments? The NFL distanced themselves from his comments. They gave these in his private capacity. On the flip side, his jersey is selling like hotcakes, selling even more than the famous quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes.
His jersey is selling even more than that. So there's obviously a reaction for and against his comments. So on the one hand, they were very traditionally Catholic, as I said, advocating the traditional Latin mass, which is a more extreme position than many conservative Catholics would have, and then saying very plainly that the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus established on the earth, etc.
So thoroughly Catholic in those terms. And aside from those points, though, what he was saying, these are values, traditional Christian values, family values that most of us would hold to and would not find controversial at all. So what I want to do is share some of what he said with you. I'll actually read it to you rather than play it for you. I'll read it to you and then I want to share some of the responses to it, including a surprising response from Whoopi Goldberg. Before I do that, just a reminder, if you're not getting my weekly email updates, letting you know about our latest articles and our latest videos, so let's say you missed the interview with Dr. Carson, you didn't know about the show, well you'd find out at the end of the week about it. Let's say you missed this article that I wrote about the outrage over the speech. Well, at the end of the week you'll get a note, hear all the articles, hear all the videos, share them to your heart's content.
So just go to thelineoffire.org, thelineoffire.org, and click subscribe and we will get you on our welcome tour, get you our monthly frontline newsletter and our weekly updates. So, Harrison Butger made these comments as a Catholic speaking to Catholics. He referenced the COVID fiasco and obviously how that had wreaked mayhem and havoc on their education and having to do things remotely and other things like that. And he said bad policies and poor leadership have negatively impacted major life issues.
He said things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder. Well, those would be traditional Catholic and even traditional Christian remarks that would be expected at a traditional Catholic college. He said this, very critical of Joe Biden.
Why? Because Joe Biden is a professing Catholic and claims to be a devout Catholic. So that's why he as a Catholic is taking real issue with this. He said our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith but at the same time is delusional enough to make the sign of the cross during a pro-abortion rally. He's been so vocal in his support for the murder of innocent babies that I'm sure to many people it appears that you can be both Catholic and pro-choice. He is not alone.
From the man behind the COVID lockdowns to the people pushing dangerous gender ideologies onto the youth of America, they all have a glaring thing in common. They are Catholic. This is an important reminder that being Catholic alone doesn't cut it. So here he is speaking very critically about his own Catholic people. So this is not him rebuking other groups or rebuking Protestant leaders or progressive Protestants or Jewish leaders or atheists. He's rebuking his own Catholic people.
And that's always the best way to bring correction that you start in your own house and get your own house in order and confront it. So all the more for him to be that bold and that loud and that clear. I would differ saying that the people pushing dangerous gender ideologies onto the youth of America are primarily Catholic but certainly Catholics among them. So he says this, but if we are going to be men and women for this time in history, we need to stop pretending that the Church of Nice is a winning proposition. We must always speak and act in charity but never mistake charity for cowardice.
Come on, man. That's talking my language. Those are saying things I'd agree with word for word, inch for inch. You know, one of our mottos is that we should have hearts of compassion and backbones of steel. You know, we're constantly calling out the wimpy, watered-down American gospel that empowers sinners rather than confronts them with sin. And then he says this, so I would just substitute Christian for Catholic, but he says, our Catholic faith has always been countercultural. Our Lord along with countless followers were all put to death for their adherence to her teachings. The world around us says that we should keep our beliefs to ourselves whenever they go against the tyranny of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
And so, again, Jesus did not die for the teachings of the Catholic Church, but amen to his point that following God has always been countercultural, that Jesus is put to death by a hostile world as his followers have been through the centuries. And yes, DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion, has become tyrannical, and that's why there is such a response to his words. The response to his words has been tyrannical. You know, it's like someone's screaming and yelling at you and telling me, don't you tell me I have an anger management problem! Don't you tell me!
It's like, I think you're evidencing that you do. The same way with diversity, equity, and inclusion, it ends up being tyrannical, and when you challenge it and call it out, you see how tyrannical it is. But that being said, Butker said, before we even attempt to fix any of the issues plaguing society, we must first get our own house in order, and it starts with our leaders. So now he's going to go after Catholic priests and Catholic bishops and Catholic cardinals and others. He says, today our shepherds, meaning Catholic leaders, are far more concerned with keeping the doors open to the chancery than they are saying that difficult stuff out loud. It seems that the only time you hear from our bishops is when it's time for the annual appeal. Whereas we need our bishops to be vocal about the teachings of the church, setting aside their own personal comfort and embracing their cross, our bishops are not politicians, but shepherds. So instead of fitting in the world by going along to get along, they need to stay in their lane and lead.
So I could say amen to that for all spiritual leaders in the body. And then here's, here's where things got super controversial. Here's where he's really getting called out. He's not getting called out for rebuking Catholic leaders. He's getting called out for rebuking the president. He's not getting called out for rebuking Catholic leaders. He's getting called out some for challenging the DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, tyranny. He's getting called out some for that.
He's getting flak for, talking about the gender ideologies, but it seems he's getting most flak for this. To the female graduates, he said, I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think that it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you're going to get in your career. Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. I can tell you that my wife Isabel would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. He explained that he's only able to fulfill his vocation because of why his wife embraced her own and that included having children.
He encouraged them to embrace the title of homemaker. What! What an outrage! How dare you!
You biggin' it! Chovanistic! Chovanistic! Misogynistic!
Who do you think you are? Outrage! How dare you say that it's a woman's highest calling to be married and have children and that not all of you will just have a career outside of the house and you should embrace the idea of homemaker. He's not saying all, but saying that's the highest calling, a special calling for women to the men. He said part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities.
As men we set the tone of the culture and when that is absent, disorder, dysfunction, and chaos set in, this absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Just as Dr. Carson was saying in our previous interview. Outrage over these comments. But hey, he's a traditional Catholic. I'm sure the college knew exactly what they were asking for and inviting him in. I don't doubt that for a split second that they knew what his topics would be and the basic presentation he would make. It's possible they even had to review the speech before he gave it. But I haven't heard any reports of outrage from the administration at the college, the people who invited him, the outrage, the people who are not traditional Catholics, whereas that's who he's talking to.
So it just shows the depth of divide that is in our nation today. We'll share some of the reactions to it and my comments when we come back on the other side of the break. It's The Line of Fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH.
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Be sure to use the code BROWN25. Okay, so he concluded his talk, Harrison Butgert, place kicker with the NFL team, Kansas City Chiefs, Super Bowl winners, three times. He concluded his talk praising the traditional Latin mass, his affirmation in the Catholic Church being God's true church. There's areas of course I would differ with him, obviously he's a non-Catholic. But again, he's a traditional Catholic speaking at a traditional Catholic school. So look, if you are a liberal Protestant speaking at a liberal Protestant seminary, you'd expect a liberal address. If you are a famous secular comedian speaking at a secular university, you'd expect the address that would be fitting for that person. If you bring in someone who is a political leader, you're going to get something that's more political, a religious person, something more religious, non-religious, something more non-religious. If you were speaking as a religious Jew at the commencement of say, Yeshiva University, you'd be bringing your particular speech within the context of Judaism, right? And conversely, if you were speaking at a Muslim school, as a Muslim leader, you'd bring a message in keeping with that. That's what's expected. That's what's going to happen. When I speak at graduation ceremonies at ministry schools, I'm going to stir them to lay their lives down for the gospel and to go for souls and make their lives count. And it's going to be quoting scripture without apology, right?
So what else do you expect? The problem is he is well known. Now, not everyone would know his name just because place kickers don't get as much fame as other football players. But because he's one of the elite kickers and because many games are won in the last second by the place kicker or lost by the place kicker, he's well known enough across the nation.
And because he's on the Super Bowl champion team, well, now he's the subject of attack. Again, it's really irrelevant because he's a traditional Catholic. He's entitled to his beliefs and he's speaking to them at a traditional Catholic school.
But in today's culture, no, you can't. See, that's the issue we've pressed for years. It's not a matter of live and let live. It's a matter, as I said, that those who came out of the closet saying this is about equality, intolerance, and freedom over the years began to want to put others in the closet who are different. I've mentioned GLAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, which is really the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Disagreement that they started years ago, the Commentator Accountability Project. I was one of the first 36 listed on their project where they went to different networks and said, do not allow these people, Chuck Colson and Tony Perkins, me, others, don't allow these people on your networks because they're biased and bigoted and they're not experts in their field and they're going to bring information about LGBTQ issues that is destructive and poisonous. So don't give them a platform. Make sure you give the right views that are in harmony with what we believe and don't air opposing views.
That's why I renamed it the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Disagreement. So on The View, a co-host Sarah Haynes said this, if you're using this to oppress people or hold them down, you're not walking with Jesus. Okay, so you are oppressing people or holding them down by encouraging women to embrace the sacredness of the calling of being wives and mothers.
I'm not saying that's the only career they can have, but for many, that is going to be the most fulfilling thing they do over a period of many years. That's holding them down. That's oppressing people and you're not walking with Jesus. If you warn against dangerous gender ideologies, you're holding people down and oppressing them. But see, that's The View. The angry legalistic God, the angry legalistic church, the destructive, dangerous Bible.
If you live by it, you are oppressing people and holding them down. And obviously, you're not really walking with Jesus. Ah, because if you really walk with Jesus, according to the world's view, then anything goes.
If you really walk with Jesus, then always lead to God because Jesus is the epitome of nice and Jesus doesn't judge and Jesus accepts everybody right the way they are and doesn't call them to change. That's the Jesus of the world. That's the Jesus that the world loves. Remember what Jesus said to his disciples and to us in John 15, if you are of the world, the world would love you as its own.
But because you're not of the world, I've chosen you out of the world. Therefore, the world hates you. Let it not be, 1 Peter 4, let it not be that we are hated because we're hypocrites, because we're troublemakers, because we're meddlers, because we're sinners that mess up all the time. Let it not be that the world hates us because of that, that we're self-righteous. No, let it be the world hates us because we're like Jesus. Let it be the world hates us because we shine light in dark places.
Let it be the world hates us because we say there's only one way to God and that's through the cross. Sarah Haynes Addick also said that by advocating the traditional Latin mass, he was practicing an extremist and cult-like version of Catholicism. So that would be a criticism for more progressive so-called branches of the Catholic Church. Joy Behar opined that he had mother issues and should get a therapist. Obviously, he has mother issues if he's praising mothers. Obviously, he needs a therapist if he's talking about the beauty of a woman's calling to be a wife and a mother and a homemaker.
Obviously, he needs therapy. Forgive the sarcasm. But here's a comment that surprised me. This is the one that really surprised me, to be honest. It was Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi Goldberg. Now, I don't watch The View, but I've seen enough quotes and seen enough things Whoopi Goldberg said over the years to say that this comment surprised me. A pleasant surprise. Are you ready for what she said? Listen, I like when people say what they need to say.
Oh, yeah, I'm just jumping in here for a moment. That's refreshing to hear because we're advocating for freedom of speech and expression. If we differ with it, if we find it offensive, well, it's going to go both ways.
Unless you're advocating for violence against people or et cetera, or spreading defaming lies that can really hurt someone's life. Otherwise, we're free to express things. You believe marriage is the union of two men or two women or two people in general. You believe marriage is however we define it. You believe marriage is, as scripture says, a man and a woman. Okay, we can have those different viewpoints. We're not getting canceled. We can say, I disagree with you wholeheartedly, but without canceling people over it.
In other words, if someone, another player would say, the punter on the Chiefs, let's say he says, hey, marriage is any two people or any number of people, whatever, if they come together in love, that's marriage. Okay, you have that viewpoint. You're not going to have a petition on change.org to fire the guy. Say, that's stupid. I disagree with that. You have your differences.
She said, I like when people say what they need to say. He's at a Catholic college. He's a staunch Catholic. These are his beliefs and he's welcome to them. I don't have to believe him.
I don't have to accept them. Yes, thank you, Whoopi. Exactly. That's the whole point. That's the beauty of the nation in which we live.
She said, the same way we want to respect when former NFL quarterback civil rights activist Colin Kaepernick takes a knee, we want to give respect to people whose ideas are different from ours. Wow. Wow. Amazing that you said that. I'm truly astounded. Maybe she makes open-minded comments like that a lot and I'm not seeing them.
Either way, what a nice surprise to see that. Say, yeah, if you want to say, you're free to say X and you're free to say Y. If you're free to stand for Catholic values, you're free to stand for atheistic values, you're free to stand for Jewish values. You can advocate. You stand for this.
It's fine. And here's an interview and you've got a Muslim and after there's an athlete and after the event, you say, hey, what a great performance in the LSL. Alhamdulillah.
Thank God. That's the first thing they say. It's a Christian. It's like, praise Jesus that I'm even here, man.
I'm so blessed to be here. What a privilege. And someone else just goes, talks about the game.
You're free to do it. Of course, the NFL, the NFL had to distance themselves from Butger's speech. This they do. It's this total Orwellian doublespeak. They said he spoke in his private capacity and of course they stand, they distancing themselves from his speech because they stand for inclusion. Yeah, that's doublespeak for my way or the highway. That's doublespeak for our views only in an exclusive way. That's the new meaning of inclusion.
But of course, what else? So the question is, since Butger is so valuable and so good, what's going to happen? You know, these NFL teams, they try to avoid secondary controversies when they can on different subjects.
So he's highly valuable. On the one hand, jersey sales taking off. On the other hand, the petition against him.
Interesting to see how the Chiefs handle this, but I don't see Butger apologizing or backing down, nor should he. In the midst of the differences I'd have with him as a non-Catholic, kudos for speaking up and speaking clearly in an unashamed way and for calling for housecleaning within his own Catholic Church to start. All right, friends, we are just getting started this week. We'll have an awesome week. We'll be opening the phones for your calls, so get ready to interact on a wide range of subjects. One more reminder, if you're not getting our monthly frontline newsletter, Edifying Informational Inspirational, go to thelineoffire.org and click subscribe.
