The Thousand-Year Reign of Messiah; Trump and Abbas; Your Jewish Calls

From the thousand-year reign of the Messiah to President Trump's meeting with President Abbas, we've got it all coming your way on Thurley, Jewish Thursday. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks friends for joining us on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday. Boy, a lot is happening having to do with Israel and the Jewish people.

Having to do with America and the world. We'll focus, of course, on Israel today. Any Jewish-related questions you have for me, be my joy to take them. 866-348-7884. Also, want to give you an update on a conversation I had with a rabbi who called in last week.

Won't divulge what we talked about privately, but do want to give you an update on that. 866-348-7884. Yes. President Trump signed an executive order regarding religious liberty today. And there is a lot of praise for what he's done in different faith communities, a lot of attack from folks like the ACLU.

How far does the bill go? What should we make of it? What does it reveal? God willing, I'll be writing about that, talking about that within the next 24 hours. And if you're in touch with us at askdrbrown.org, you will know when our articles or comments are made available.

Also, I wrote an article last night. I'm going to get into it today. President Trump and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met. Yesterday, and then they made some public comments, respectively, in English and in Arabic. And I read the transcript of the English translation and had some major concerns with what President Abbas had to say.

So I addressed those in an article of some major problems with the remarks of President Abbas. You can read that on my website, askdrbrown.org, A-S-K-D-R-Brown.org. In a moment, we're going to focus on the millennium. the thousand-year reign of the Messiah. How clearly Is this taught in Scripture?

How important is this for us in terms of our beliefs. Obviously, we can have differing views about the millennium and still be brothers and sisters in the Lord. We can have different views about lots of things having to do with future prophecy and be brothers and sisters in the Lord. But you might be surprised with how much the scriptures have to say about the millennial kingdom.

So we come back. We haven't gone anywhere yet, but when we do go somewhere and come back, at the break, we'll be joined with Matthew Bryce Irvin, who wrote a book, 1000 Years with Jesus: The Coming Messianic Kingdom. I actually wrote the foreword to the book, so yes, I like the contents of the book very much. And uh my friend Rabbi Shmruley. My dear friend Rabbi Shruley, we haven't been in touch in a while, but...

Except for an email here and there. It'd be great to see each other. Great to do another debate together. That'd be fabulous. But Rabbi Shmuy is in the news in a very interesting way.

He was in the White House. He was visiting Steve Bannon, who he considers to be a good, true friend of Israel and the Jewish people. And met with him and, of course, took advantage of the photo op to have a picture of him and Steve Bannon in Steve Bannon's office, his wife Debbie, with his wife Debbie also in one of the pictures. But It was where the picture was taken that has gotten all the attention. Rabbi Shvuli's met with dignitaries and world leaders and things like that, so he's in lots of pictures.

That's not the big notice. The big notice is what was behind them in Steve Bannon's office when the picture was taken.

So if you haven't seen the news on that, it's actually funny and fun and good. And Steve Bannon is fine with it. Apparently. From what I understand, had no problem with the picture being taken with that particular backdrop.

So, what was it? What did Rabbi Shmuley unintentionally reveal? We'll tell you we come back. A little later in the broadcast. Change the world.

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The timing. has come to begin a battle of annihilation. Our goal is clear to wipe Israel off the map. We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants. Hey friends, just want to alert you to something on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday, one night only.

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If you have a Jewish-related question of any kind, Give me a call at 866-348-7. The Millennial Kingdom. Will there be a literal thousand-year reign of Jesus on the earth? My guest, Matthew Bryce Irvin, has written a focused book on this, 1,000 years with Jesus: The Coming Messianic Kingdom. And when I read through the manuscript and then wrote the foreword to the book, I was struck by just how much the scriptures had to say about this subject, and even how much the early church leaders spoke.

About this subject.

So, again, you may have a different view on this, but I think as you listen. you're going to be provoked to study the scriptures afresh. to see what the Word of God has to say on this. thousand year reign of the Messiah. Hey Matthew, welcome to the line of fire.

Doctor Brown, thank you so much for putting me on. What is it that led you to write this book in the first place and to say, let's just put together a systematic focus work on the subject?

Well is I've gotten closer to Jesus my Christian walk. Over time, I became interested in the overall picture of Scripture. What's the what's the story that the scriptures are telling, especially as far as redemption, And In that I realized that I couldn't get a complete picture of it without Positing this millennial kingdom, that this was necessary for the overall story of redemption. All right, so in other words, even though Jesus paid for our sins, On the cross, even though we pray for his return, that there is a missing piece in the puzzle for a lot of believers. And in your mind, that's the thousand-year millennial kingdom.

Is this kind of a side issue? in this in the Bible, Old and New Testament, or is it something that's major? It it's Yeah. Belief in it is not It's not something. we absolutely need to do to be in harmony with the Lord.

And yet, I believe it's something that's spoken of quite frequently throughout the scriptures, whether directly or indirectly.

Alright, so how does it play out before we get into specifics? How does it play out as a key piece in the larger plan of redemption, in your view, a missing piece if we don't see it rightly? All right, well I see Israel as a vehicle that God uses, the people of Israel, the descendants of Jacob. as a vehicle to ultimately bring about redemption.

Now, of course, through our Lord and Savior Jesus, we have redemption on the cross. Absolutely.

However, we're still looking for creation itself to be redeemed. And in that sense, Israel as this vehicle needs to become the head of the nations because this is part of God's plan and ultimately bringing about a full restoration. in the eternal state.

So if Israel is never ahead of the nations, like let's say we go from the current age Where Israel's never head of the nations, into the eternal state. where everyone's equal and already know God, then Israel was never able to Demonstrate, God. People were never compelled to come. See God and speak out to the Jewish people to learn about God.

So in that sense, We need Israel. As the head of the nation's no longer the tail and everyone seeking the Lord. by coming there.

So she needs to fulfill her destiny as part of God's overall prophetic program. What if someone said, Matthew, that that's going backwards? Israel had its chance. Israel failed as a nation, but Israel fulfills its destiny and that it is the Jew Jesus Yeshua. Who is the Savior of the world?

So through the Messiah, Israel fulfills its destiny and it never will be the head of the nations.

Well, I I so much appreciate the idea that, yes, through Jesus. this great concept. Uh the world being saved through the Jewish people. Is realized.

However, I would say that's simply not all the scripture has to say. we can look at we need to look at the covenants especially.

So in the Abrahamic covenant, We can ultimately infer Yes. one of Abraham's descendants. would ultimately be this kingly Messiah who would bring about redemption. And yet at the same time, we have The way of the provision. that I haven't seen come to pass, such as in Genesis fifteen, that the Jewish people have never controlled the larger territory.

And it would seem that they do so throughout the rest of the Hebrew scriptures. In contradistinction to the rest of the world. That there's some kind of distinction going on there.

So when they come to that point, all the people can see that they have become Closer to God. In other words, they're fulfilling God's intent, His desire for them. And in doing so, They can bring people to the Lord. May I also say it's also an issue of the millennium can serve as a final proof that with the Lord himself reigning on earth, People still won't obey Jesus.

So it's not a matter at that time of We can just don't believe in him. We don't see evidence. At that point, it will be clear who he is, and yet they'll still choose not to trust him.

Someone is saddle to you. Yeah, in a sense of final vindication. of God's righteousness and human sinfulness. that even in a perfect world that's filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the seas, even with God himself as king. Ruling through his son, the Messiah, that at the end of that time, Satan will still be able to deceive and people will still rebel against God.

It's the ultimate way of God saying, Hey, I gave you every opportunity in a blessed world without all the questions of suffering and pain and all of this, with access to God, and yet. People still refuse. Matthew, paint a picture. of what this thousand-year reign of the Messiah is going to be like according to the scriptures.

Well I'll try to be. Sistinct.

So After the second coming, The Lord initiates. the Messianic kingdom. the m what we came to know as the millennium because primarily due to Revelation 20 giving us a timeline. although we can infer it elsewhere. And So he comes here, and the world becomes a lot better.

A whole lot of things are better. There's a lot there's a lot of peace on earth. in large part because Satan isn't present. And The world becomes regenerated. A lot of people are coming close to the Lord.

There's a Just it's a wonderful, glorious age of truth and justice. and creation itself is far, far better.

So, a lot of things just look better in general. And yet, is still not perfect. We have passages where it's still not Absolutely perfect, such as Ezekiel forty-seven, we see this amazing river in that time. Regenerating the dead sea and bringing it back to life, and trees grow next to it that have leaves for healing. fruit for the nations.

However, there are areas in the Dead Sea that the text explicitly says remain swampy.

So what are we to do with passages like this? We can't place them now. It seems to be after the Messiah returns, and yet it doesn't fit in the eternal state because there wouldn't be areas where it's still where there's no life. And this is a time then where Isaiah 2 would be fulfilled, that the nations would come streaming up to Jerusalem. wanted to learn from the God of Israel.

And Isaiah 11 would be fulfilled where the wolf lies down with the lamb. That's when these things would be fulfilled. And yet it's not a totally perfect place. I made the referred to it as a perfect world moments ago, but that would be a slightly inaccurate description. And Matthew, we'll unpack this more on the other side of the break.

But was this something that was held to by early church leaders, the disciples of the apostles and their disciples? to the point where if there was an official Creed at that time, I believe it would have been part of it. Got it.

So it's that universal where it does come up, it's that universal a testimony in your view. Oh, absolutely. Um non-premillennial. Christian historians have readily recognized this fact. They've reluctantly admitted in their writings, such as Philip Chase.

Is that we just have to recognize this is the case. God, all right, we'll take that up when we come back. Friends, do you pray the Lord's Prayer? Your kingdom come. This is the kingdom we're praying for.

Yeah, this is the kingdom we're praying for. God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Enough. He was there. Television. You don't do?

That Hebrew Music tells you it is Thurley Jewish Thursday. Welcome to the broadcast, Michael Brown. Delighted to be with you. 866-348-7. 884 is the number to call.

If you've got a Jewish-related question of any kind or want to probe more about the millennial kingdom, give me a call, 866-34Truth. I'm speaking with Matthew Bryce Irvin, his new book. All right, his new book, 1,000 Years with Jesus, the Coming Messianic Kingdom. I wrote the foreword to the book. Michael Vlach, professor of theology at the Master Seminary, says, more than any book I've seen in this book, Irvin explains the details of what Jesus' coming earthly millennial reign will be like by giving justice to what both the Old and New Testaments teach on this important issue.

Irvin Orphas offers a biblical and exciting picture of the millennium. If one wants to contemplate Jesus' kingdom from a consistent hermeneutic without layers of spiritualization and reinterpretation that so often plague this topic, this is the book to get. And as I said, reading through the manuscript to write the foreword to the book, I was reminded. Of how many verses actually speak about this.

So, Matthew, you've been a student of church history. And and the church uh All right, hang on. Looks like we lost Matthew there for a moment. we will we will reconnect with him. But uh I I am not one.

to say, well, the church fathers taught this or taught that. because of which I must hold to this particular view. I'm sola scriptura, as are many of you. That the scriptures are the authority, that the scriptures are the final authority in terms of, yeah, Howard, okay, there we go, reconnected on another line. Thank you, sir.

All right, not sure what happened there, Matthew, but glad to get you back.

So you and I are solely scriptural people that we believe what's written in scripture is the final authority, that the traditions that have been passed on and preserved in church history are valuable and important, but they do not dictate how we understand the scriptures. But you often get the idea, oh, you believe in this thousand-year kingdom, that's just a new thing, that's just dispensationalist, pre-trib dispensationalist believe in that. It started at the 1800s, and you don't find this in the church fathers. Actually, the reverse is true. And I'm not a dispensationalist, I'm not a pre-tribber, but this is something that we can say is taught plainly in scriptures, best as we understand, but also taught among key church leaders.

So give us a sampling of some of the testimony. Absolutely.

And let me first apologize to your audience. I've had strep throat so I sound a little bit off. We're all right.

Okay. I fully agree with that. That's exactly the excitement I had when I was in my early twenties. a decade and a half ago, reading through some of these early church fathers and going, Wow They believe What I believe. I had been told by many Christians at that time that, no, this thousand-year reign, you're misunderstanding this.

This is allegorical. This is a new belief. This is associated with a new belief. theological systems. And I was reading people like Irenaeus.

Papias, who was a student of the Apostle John. statements by Polycarp, Justin Martyr, And they all believed in this literal thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth before he brought everything into perfection. And that was stunning to me. That Yes, absolutely.

Solar scripture. And yet at the same time, if we see a consistent belief from some of the students, the apostles themselves. including the writer of Revelation, E, that should garner our attention at the very least. Yeah, absolutely. And the idea that, well, this is an unspiritual belief, I mean, that's pretty eye-opening as well.

Say, no, no, this is a very spiritual belief because we're talking about God's kingdom manifest here on the earth. Matthew, is this something that the New Testament takes for granted? reinforces, contradicts, Oh, no, not at all. I believe the New Testament makes this concept quite clear. As you stated before the break, The Lord's Prayer itself: We're compelled to pray for this kingdom to come upon the earth just as it is in heaven.

We see that The Apostles' question to Jesus in Acts. Lord, at this time will you bring the kingdom to Israel? He doesn't make fun of them. He doesn't say what a stupid question. He doesn't say, gee, you weren't paying attention.

No, instead, after an intensive with the Messiah himself on the kingdom, The first question was: okay, when will the kingdom come to Israel? We see Acts 3, that's after Pentecost. You can't say it was fulfilled then, where Peter's preaching on this. He's saying, And X three that The renewal, the refreshing of all things will come, and everything that the prophets have spoken about will come to pass. When you trust in the Messiah, he's waiting for you in heaven to come back and bring these things to be.

We furthermore see in First Corinthians fifteen the very Timeline that Paul sets out. we see that initially there were some first fruits, And then Jesus must reign. Until when? Until all the enemies are put under his feet. Then we get a our next phase of the kingdom.

And of course, in Revelation, we get the most plain picture, although I would argue it really doesn't give us much new information. It just summarizes much of what we can find in the rest of Scripture. Got it.

Got it.

So, when we realize that Jesus does not come to abolish the law of the prophets, but to fulfill. When we realize that there are many promises that God gave to Israel that are not yet fulfilled, then you understand that the Messiah's return will not abolish things then, but bring to pass whatever has not come to pass yet. And the idea that that basically We should use a literal hermeneutic, meaning that unless there's clearly a figure of speech involved, some hyperbole, poetic hyperbole, or an allegory, or an analogy, or a metaphor, something like that, that if the Bible says something in a straightforward way, we should take it. in a straightforward way, meaning if the Bible talks about the city of Jerusalem, if the Bible talks about regathering of Jewish people, if the Bible talks about nations coming to Jerusalem, that we should take it to mean what it says. Do you find that reinforced in the New Testament as well?

Yes, I do, Dr. Brown. And I think it's very important because if we're going to say that Jesus fulfilled these prophecies that happened at his first coming literally. then we should believe likewise with his second coming. Otherwise, we're essentially picking and choosing what we like from the Tanakh to be fulfilled in a literal plain sense according to how the original audience would have taken it.

But in some other senses, we're saying no, because that doesn't fit our preconceptions.

So we're going to spiritualize or allegorize this to fit into something we believe should happen. Yeah, and even though you might have here and there an allegorical application of an Old Testament prophecy. the the larger hermeneutic you get, the larger pattern of interpretation you get is that things stated in a straightforward way come to pass in a straightforward way. Matthew, we've just got a few seconds. What are you hoping that readers of your book will get?

Ultimately, I want to get them closer to Jesus.

Now, this is not an evangelism book per se. But I want you to appreciate the overall work that the Messiah has done. He is doing. Because he has two great parts To his work.

So he's completed a lot of his work, and so we should trust in what he's going to do. It helps us to appreciate. His overall work, the person he is. And Quite frankly. what we should expect and look forward to and serving with him.

In the future, we should look forward to that great relationship with them as we do our work now. In the history section of the book. Tell you what, folks, we're out of time. Folks are going to have to get the book 1000 Years with Jesus and get into that history section and find out what's coming. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr.

Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks for Joining us on Thurly Jewish Thursday, Michael Brown. Delighted to be with you. Remember, if you've got a Jewish-related question. It could be relating to the Hebrew scriptures. It could be relating to the Hebrew language, the Jewish people, modern Israel.

Questions about Israel and the Palestinians? It could have to do with Jesus being the Jewish Messiah, Jewish tradition. Give me a call, 866-348-7884. Although it is Thurly Jewish Thursday, I should share this breaking news. House passes health care bill eliminates funding for Planned Parenthood.

There was a lot of controversy. about the spending bill that was pushed forward by the House. And my guest, John Hawkins, earlier in the week said it wasn't a compromise. Bill was not a compromise. It was just giving the Democrats everything they'd want.

You think, well, why when Republicans control both houses of Congress and when you've got a Republican president? Why would you Have something like that.

Well, should we be bipartisan, or didn't want the government to shut down, or trying to get certain things through, you know, pushing for increase in defense.

So this was kind of a compromise.

Well, there are a lot of people upset and said, look, this continues funding for Planned Parenthood, and it's not going to build the wall that was promised, and other things like that.

Well, there's a lot not to like. about the spending bill. But Others have said, no, no, we've got another bill coming, and that's the one that's going to deal with Planned Parenthood.

So, according to Kevin Theriot, who is the senior counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, quote, We commend the House, which by this vote has for the third time voted to end taxpayer funding to Planned Parenthood, the nation's most profitable abortionist. As ADF and our ally Charlotte Laughier Institute have thoroughly documented, this billion-dollar abortion giant has been implicated in massive fraud, waste and abuse of Medicaid, and other federal and state programs. Congress's well-founded concern that Planned Parenthood and its affiliates are engaged in a pattern of deceptive practices designed to maximize their bottom-line revenue should be enough reason to end the public largesse on their behalf, even apart from. The fact that they destroy a third of a million human lives every year and have been involved in numerous other scandals. Ah!

I mispronounced Kevin's name. Terrio. Not the, but terio. That's why they've got pronunciation guide on the bottom.

Well, it's positive. This is good. This is right.

Now, will it get past the Senate? We shall see.

Okay. My friend Rabbi Shmuley.

So he meets with Steve Bannon in the White House in Steve Bannon's office. And Shmooli has spoken out on behalf of Steve Bannon, said he's a friend of Israel. It's completely wrong to characterize him as an enemy of Israel or as an anti-Semite or anything like that.

So they're friends, they met and Smoothly took a picture with Steve Bannon and then with Smoothie's wife Debbie in the picture as well.

Okay, no big deal. As I said, Shmooli meets with lots of different folks in high places and has lots of different pictures taken with them, etc.

Okay. What is making the news and getting a lot of attention? is when Shmueli shared these things, what was the backdrop? Were they standing in front of a window? Were they standing in the office looking at the the um Uh the wallpaper.

No, it was taken in front of Steve Bannon's whiteboard. And here it's a giant whiteboard. Uh several panels. with his to-do list. of everything that the administration has promised.

Everything that the Trump administration said they're going to do, down the list. Here's what's been done. Here's what hasn't been done. Here's what's in progress. And there are some who believe that Steve Bannon did it quite intentionally.

to let this get out. To show those that oppose him, oppose the Trump agenda. Here, this is our agenda. This never changed. This is where we're going.

But it's just got a complicated. If you haven't seen it, just. Type in Shmooli and Bannon, and I'm sure you'll see the relevant pictures. And yeah, there's the checklist. Here's what we said we're gonna do, we're working on it.

We'll be right back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Thanks for joining us, friends, on the Thurley Jewish Thursday broadcast. Michael Brown here.

So yesterday, President Trump met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. He was voted in for a certain number of years, quite a few years ago, but as often happens, In the Palestinian and even Arab governments, you get voted in and you just stay in. Of course, Palestinian authority. Authority is at war in many ways with Hamas, They have Been at war, sometimes violently, over the years. Hamas displaced Palestinian authority in terms of the rule of Gaza Strip.

The Palestinian Authority rules in so-called West Bank, ancient Judea, and Samaria. And it's been some years since President Abbas has been invited to the White House. And on the one hand, you have to know he feels like a second-class citizen. You have to know. He recognizes he's not going to be welcomed the way Prime Minister Netanyahu is welcomed.

All right? That's. That's for sure. He understands that. Yet it's significant that they were together.

It's significant that they met. And President Trump, for his part. did say a number of things that were very positive. In fact, um Joey, grab clip number. Clip number 19.

Clip number 19, this is White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer talking about some of the things that President Trump said to President Abbas. Today, the President welcomed the President of the Palestinian Authority to the White House for an official visit. The visit stemmed from a phone call the two leaders had on March 10th when President Trump invited President Abbas to Washington so they could discuss in person ways to move forward on a comprehensive agreement that would end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The two leaders made their own statements just a little bit ago, but to give you a few additional details, some of the topics that were discussed during their meeting and the lunch were advancing the Israeli-Palestinian peace, preventing incitements to violence, particularly in media outlets directly associated with Palestinian authority, strengthening efforts to combat terrorism, including defeating ISIS, measures to empower the Palestinian economy and provide economic opportunity for the Palestinian people. And additionally, the President raised concerns about the payments to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails who have committed acts of terror and to their families and emphasized the need to resolve this issue.

Ah, tho those are two big things. that President Trump did. You said there's a whole list of it. Yeah, I want to focus on two. President Trump, according to Sean Spicer, Talked to Mahmoud Abbas about the incitement to terror.

that comes through the Palestinian Authority. I've written an article about this. You can read it by going to askdrbrown.org. There is incitement to terror, and I'm going to open that up. considerably more as we go on in the broadcast today.

It's important to address that.

Okay, you want peace. You want us to be a peace partner? Yet, there is rhetoric coming from Palestinian authority. Be it through state-run media, be it in the schools, be it in speeches, be it on social media. That is inciting Palestinians to acts of terror.

That's significant. Then he brought that up. Also payment of Palestinian prisoners. They are Palestinian terrorists who are in Israeli prisons. They are supported by the government, by the Palestinian Authority government.

There. There Families are supported by the government. And Rabbi Shmuly has an op-ed in the Jerusalem Post. wondering aloud. Wondering aloud if American taxpayers realize that they're tax money.

Is going towards us because we support the Palestinian Authority, and some of the money they get, they use. to to support terrorists. These are well-known, well-documented facts. And I'm glad that they were brought up.

Now, I'm going to get into the comments as we go on in the broadcast and take some of your calls shortly. But what I can see of President Trump Is he is a negotiator, right? He's a mediator, he's a negotiator, he's a deal maker. He said early on that he's heard that it's about the toughest deal to make, Israel and the Palestinians, but he'd love to be involved. He said, I'd love to be a mediator or an arbitrator or a facilitator.

And we will get this done. But he did say there cannot be lasting peace unless the Palestinian leaders speak a united voice against incitement to violate I should say violence and violence and Hate. Looks like a typo in the official White House government document there. But here's how Month Moon the Boss. begins the statement.

after his initial greetings. This is now the Second paragraph. Mr. President. Our strategic option Our strategic choice is to bring about peace based on the vision of the two state a Palestinian state with its capital of East Jerusalem that lives in peace and stability with the State of Israel based on the borders of 1967.

What?

Okay, not only is the push for an East Jerusalem almost guaranteed to not produce peace. The fact is, the Jewish people have had the historic connection with the city of Jerusalem. The Jewish people have longed for reunited Jerusalem for decades and for centuries longed to be back in Israel with Jerusalem as the capital. This is not significant in the Muslim world on the same level. And certainly to the Palestinians, it does not carry the same weight historically.

Find me hundreds of years back. An Islamic longing or a longing for the Arabs in the Middle East to have. Uh to have um Uh Jerusalem. as the capital of a homeland. It's just not the reality there.

And Prime Minister Netanyahu said last year: the idea of a divided, split, wounded city is one we will never. Return. two. All right, and the idea of going back to 1967 borders That's that's not possible. That's indefensible.

I mean the borders are indefensible. You'd have, say, one part of Israel, it's about nine miles wide. And all you need is a hostile enemy on either side, and you cannot defend.

So there's a lot more to get into, but I mentioned earlier that there's a movie coming out just one night only, May 23rd, in Selected Theaters called In Our Hand. It's ironic. That just one month shy of the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem, so the reuniting of East and West Jerusalem. Just One month before that, Just one month before Israel's defeat of enemies that were ready to take them out and destroy them in the Six-Day War in 1967, which led to the expanded borders that Israel now has, the defensible borders, even though still very difficult to defend, but the defensible borders. With God's help, of course.

Isn't it ironic that Mahmoud Abbas is calling for divided Jerusalem, and returned to nineteen sixty seven Borders. Johnny, clip number five. From CBN Documentaries comes a new film. In our hands, The Battle for Jerusalem. The extraordinary true story of the Six-Day War.

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In select movie theaters for a special one-night event Tuesday, May 23rd. For theaters and tickets, go to inourhands1967.com. Yeah. Uh, fifty years ago. And yet President Abbas calling for The dividing of Jerusalem.

And and. For The return to the pre-67 borders. It is remarkable. And obviously this is what he believes, this is what he's campaigning for. But you talk about a a failed Uh strategy.

You talk about the kind of thing you you don't want to push. There in the White House.

Well, I mean, that's what he wants to push, and that's what his people want him to push, but. Talking about going in the wrong direction. You say, well, what makes Israel right here and Palestinians wrong? Again, just very, very simply. Please show me.

First, the idea of the history of a Palestinian state. The idea that the Arabs living In what was called Palestine from the second century on, due to the Romans. Show me anywhere where there was a movement to have a state. This is our homeland. This is our Arab Polman.

If anything, it was part of Greater Syria. It was never looked at and it was controlled by different groups over the centuries, some Muslim, some Christian. But at no point was there this consciousness of a Palestinian state. The only ones that were looking to have a homeland there again were the Jewish people around the world. and praying for the day of regathering.

That's one thing. But specifically Jerusalem. Every year Jews would pray and say, Next year in Jerusalem. Jews around the world, religious Jews, as they pray, they pray facing Jerusalem. The Quran does not mention Jerusalem by name, calling it Jerusalem.

How many hundreds of times is it mentioned in scripture? There is no historic claim. Jerusalem is the capital of the Palestinian people. It is part of the contention against Israel. We'll be right back with your calls.

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Michael Brown. Thanks for joining us on Thurly Jewish Thursday. Michael Brown. Delighted and blessed to be with you. About to go to the phones 866-34 Truth.

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Have you liked this quote from Mahmoud Abbas, official PA TV, Palestinian Authority TV, February 14th, 2005? I demand the release of prisoners. speaking of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, because they are human beings who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Palestinian Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating.

This is war. One Meaning, Israel ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others to carry out the duty of resistance, which is a euphemism for terror. This person killed, and the other person killed. He, speaking of the Palestinian prisoner, is a fighter, just like any other fighter. We were in a state of fighting.

When a truce is reached in any country in the world, the past is forgotten. If prisoners are not released, the ordinary citizen will ask me, what did you get me? You ordered me. You are responsible for me. Pretty clear, I would say.

All right, let's go to the phones. We'll start in New York. Damien, welcome to the line of fire. Thank you. Thank you, Dr.

Brown. I I wanted to ask you if you've ever heard of someone named RB Theme or Colonel Theme. Yes, in in what context? I'm sorry? It's just he is, he was, he had passed away.

He's a hyper grace. Um creature And uh there's uh uh my friend's involved in that. It's called Grace. Bible churches in which you know it is hypergrace. But they teach some pretty strange things, but they always go back to the original language, which kind of led me to believe that.

These people know a little bit more than the average preacher who may only be speaking in. Uh in English.

So I attended a few of their services, but they're more like Bible school or teaching type of services. Anyway, they teach something about the angelic conflict and how the reason why human beings are on earth. is because from the beginning of Um of eternity past, they call it. uh Genesis 1.1 that Satan made a deal or is appealing a judgment casted on him by God who a you know this happened after He took a third of the angels and they tried to rebel against the Lord. that um they were destined to go to the pits of hell.

Uh Mike. Satan asks for an appeal. And the appeal is, is that Uh God granted it. And God basically said, I'm going to create man. In my image, yeah, yeah.

So here, let me just jump in. There is there is zero, zero, zero. Support for that in Scripture. And by the way, please do me a favor on your own accord. When and I know you're busy, if you go look into this angelic conflict, it's a little strange.

But what they do talk about in the original language on top of that is Exodus twenty one twenty two. Because we were talking about being pro-life, and I assume that they were against abortion like myself. And the the actual taster said this Nothing wrong with abortion, and I was really taken back by it. Yeah, yeah, but here, let me say, hang on, yeah, let me let me just jump in for time's sake and say a few things. Number one, There's a lot of junk out there.

Just junk. It's bogus. bogus. It's not based on scripture. It's bogus.

It's based on bizarre misinterpretations.

So, the way you presented things to me. Uh It's just a bizarre, there's nothing to look into. It's just bizarre. There's nothing to say to it. There's all kinds of bizarre stuff out there.

All right, and candidly, if I spent my time refuting bizarre stuff, I wouldn't even breathe. That'd be the end of life, especially with all the junk online and things like that that's so readily available. And look. Every English translation you read A modern English translation that's produced by a major publisher that's got scholars behind it.

Alright, carefully looking at the original languages.

So when people say we go to the original languages, what do you think others are doing? Making it up out of their heads? All right, so don't ever let anyone intimidate you with that because if you look at three, four, five different English translations. You will see that the Some variations, things like that, but they're all scholars involved with them.

Now, I'll get to Exodus 21 in a minute, but. The only time I had heard the the uh R.B. Theme, R.B. Theme Jr. name, uh, was.

Uh was Some years back, When you asked me about it, this this rang a bell. And it was it was about Seven, eight years ago, it was 2009 maybe when there was a guy that went on a rampage in an LA fitness. uh gym in Pittsburgh. and then took his own life, and in his journal he professed to be a born again Christian, And said that he was reading the writings of R.B. Theme and discovered there that no matter what he did, no matter what happened, he'd just go be with the Lord.

So if he murdered, committed suicide, as long as he put his faith in Jesus, he'd still go to heaven just the same.

Now, I'm not saying that R.B. Theme would affirm what he did, of course. Not any human being with a conscience would affirm what the man did. But that's where I heard the name previously, as far as I recall. But very quickly, Exodus, I don't build my case about abortion, Damien, on Exodus 21, 22.

I build it on two nations are in your womb with Rebecca being told about Esau and Jacob. I build it on before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, Jeremiah 1, us being carefully fashioned in the womb, Psalm 139. John the immerser, the baby John the Baptist in his mother Elizabeth's womb, leaps when Mary and Mary comes into the room with Jesus Yeshua in her womb.

So they're both human beings, one reacting to the other or being filled with the Spirit from the womb. That's what I form things on. Exodus 21:22 is debated. There's no secret. Read 10 different Jewish English translations.

It's debatable as to what the Hebrew says. For example, New King James: if men fight and hurt a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him, and he'll pay as the judges determine. Then it goes on to say life for life, etc.

So that would be saying if she gives birth prematurely and there is no other harm. then let the the the husband and the judges impose the penalty. There is another uh way to translate it, which would say that if he causes her to miscarry, But there's no other harm. Then Here's the various penalties, but it's not going to be a death penalty because miscarriage is not considered to be killing. It's not as severe.

That's the only debate, but I don't, and again, I lean towards the premature birth, not the miscarriage, as I understand the text. But I don't base my opposition to abortion on that: hey, I've got to run, but thank you, sir, for the questions. And yeah, these guys are off. Off. Friends.

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From the thousand-year reign of the Messiah to President Trump's meeting with President Abbas, we've got it all coming your way on Thurley, Jewish Thursday. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thank you, thank you for joining us on Thoroughly Jewish Thursday, 866-348-7884. If you have a Jewish-related question of any kind, we'll do our best to provide you with solid answers.

Answers from the Word of God, or whatever sources will shed light on the subjects that you're asking. About, and I do want to get into more depth about comments that I say are outright deceptive. that were made by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas that is meeting with President Donald Trump yesterday. If you're not aware, For all those that labeled President Trump an anti-Semite during the campaign, he has declared May Jewish Heritage Month. Yeah.

And his speech at Holocaust Remembrance Day, what was it, a little over a week ago, a week and a half ago, drew the ire. of anti-Semites like David Duke and others, these people on the extreme right who voted for Donald Trump and perhaps thought that he was a white supremacist as they were. fashioned him in their own image.

Now, there's a lot that you may not like about Donald Trump, and I'm not saying this to defend him. And I'm not saying this saying that I agree with everything he's done. Far from it.

However, I never thought, even in my days of strongest opposition to him, when I supported other candidates during the primaries. I never thought he was an anti-Semite.

So these recent statements and actions only reaffirm that. To me.

Okay, before we go to the phones, I got a call last week from an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man. Uh uh we understood the his name was pronounced Shalom. Which I thought that was slightly odd. As we've interacted, it would be the equivalent of shalom, but just. pronounced in a bit more of a colloquial way.

And he had watched one of my debates or more on YouTube. just kind of discovered who I was and wanted to help me. Very sincere. ultra-Orthodox Jewish man. If he wanted to help me, He felt that I had an elevated Jewish soul, that I was intelligent, but I was terribly misled and obviously misleading others.

And that if I would just study with him one time. Just study with him one time. And look at sacred Jewish texts together that it would open my eyes and transform my life. And I said, hey, you got yourself a deal, man. Let's do it.

You leave your contact info. And he did. He did.

Now, I'm not going to tell you what we talked about privately, because that was a private conversation. But he did. Uh leave his contact info. And I called him right after the show. I had a bit of a drive, so I called him right after the show, and we spoke probably for 45 minutes.

And we had some intense debate about some specific issues. And uh I said, okay, well, we'll stay in touch. I emailed him. And we've gone back and forth in email.

Now at this point, uh he may be unwilling to continue interacting with me. There there are some who say that someone like me that you don't bother with. that I'm a lost cause, this from their perspective. I mean, trust me, I dearly, dearly love. My fellow Jewish people who are so religious and devoted.

And studying and praying and seeking to live their lives in a way that pleases God, I would say, of course. of course they they fall short. In their rejection of the Messiah they fall way short. But my heart goes out to them. And I fully understand why some of them say, No, this Mike Brown guy, you just leave him alone.

You know, you don't deal with others. Say, no, no, we're, you know, he's a Jewish soul, you got to reach out to him. My thing is: hey, let's interact, let's interact. But anyway, we did interact. I said, you bet.

You want to study with me? Let's do it. You tell me what text you want to read. You want to lecture me? You want us to interact?

You tell me. Is it going to happen? That's up to him. It's up to him. Right now.

He seems unwilling, but I told him, hey man, you made big claims on the radio. Let's do it. I believe he's deeply sincere. Let's pray for him. We'll be right back with your calls.

It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. You wanna hear something interesting?

According to an article on JTA.org Jewish Telegraph Agency. From April 26th, Jews with most education are least religious. The study finds. American Jews with the highest level of education are the least religious, according to a new study. The more years of schooling American Jews have, the less religious they are.

Interestingly, among Christians, those with high levels of education appear to be just as religious as those with less schooling on average. Very interesting. Orthodox Jews are partly a reason for the difference. The study said on average the Orthodox are more religious and have less secular education than their non-Orthodox counterparts, but education accounts for a split among Orthodox Jews as well. 93% of Orthodox Jews who have not graduated from college believe in God, while 82% of Orthodox college graduates do.

More than 80% of both groups say religion is important to them. Among non-Orthodox Jews, the differences are even starker. Nearly double the number of non-college graduates believe in God, 45%, as do college graduates, 23%. Nearly 30% of non-Orthodox Jews without college degrees say religion is important to them. The number falls to 20% among those who have graduated.

What it testifies to is the degree. The degree of secularization in Uh the the uh Colleges and universities. Yeah, Christians are confronted with that too. But perhaps the intensity of Jewish study and the focused learning day and night of Jewish tradition is challenged even more in a secular setting where people are outside of that bubble. Very interesting though.

866. Three Fort Truth. Let's go to Richmond, Virginia. Lisa, you're on the line of fire. Hi, Dr.

Brown. Thank you for taking my call. You're welcome. I had some questions this past Tashbach Pas a Passover. I was doing um a bunch of research.

And I don't remember the name of the rabbi. I don't have all my notes in front of me. Um but But the rabbi who, according to the research that I did, said that Apparently, he's the one who instituted the Passover Seder, the Seder plate, all of that. The Seder plate, definitely. And he said.

Um, his background though is that he's a um Uh uh Kabbalah. And he According to the research, had there was an angel. that used to speak to him regularly. And he would have these conversations with this what he called an angel. who basically, you know, gave him information and told him a lot of things about what to do.

And so my first question is, do you have any information on this particular rabbi? Do you know who I'm talking about?

Okay. There are in terms of the the origin of the Seder Plateaus, we have it, we do not know. exactly how it came to pass. There are different traditions with different claims. In terms of who is responsible, there are even Messianic Jews who claim that there were Messianic Jewish believers that instituted some of the customs.

And, you know, for example, the piece of matzah, the middle piece of three, which is broken and hidden, signifying the death of the Son of God and his resurrection. Right. You know, hence the. But you can say that symbolically we find that meaning in it, but the idea that Messianic Jews help institute that tradition, there is no. Uh there is no Evidence for that, but in the same way.

We do not know exactly where some of the specific traditions come from. And when I say we, I mean traditional Jewish scholars, secular Jewish scholars, we simply don't know for sure. This is just another traditional claim. And, you know, you have, and here's what happens with different religions, especially Judaism, which relies so much on tradition, is that if you have a particular practice and you don't know, why do we do this? Because remember a lot of the Torah laws do this so when your children ask why, you can tell them this, this, the other, right?

So the question is when When you don't know why. Then you got to try to figure it out. And sometimes the claim will be made, oh, well, this goes all the way back to Moses on Mount Sinai. In other words, we can't find any evidence for it, so it must go all the way back to Moses. And others will attribute things back to this famous rabbi or that famous rabbi.

There may be a document, say the Kabbalah. or the Zohar, which is the central book of or books of the of the Kabbalah. And from everything we know, they were written in the 13th century.

Well, Jewish tradition says, no, they go back to Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai in the second century. and things get traced back like that.

So uh whatever you were hearing about is the same thing. Just just put it on the shelf as an interesting tradition and nothing more, but no historic value to it.

So you're talking about the state or plague. Exactly. Yeah, in other words, as far as the origins of it. as far as this tradition that you heard. Just put that on the shelf as that's very interesting, but it's just a human tradition.

There's no historical support for it. We know for sure that for many centuries, these elements on the seder plate were used. And this represents the bitterness of our time in Egypt and these various things. And the bone of the lamb, that reminds us of the lamb that was sacrificed. It's because Jewish families are not sacrificing a lamb together and things like that.

But as far as the alleged origins of it, going back to this Kabbalistic rabbi, no, no, that's just tradition. That's all it is and no historic support for it. At all. Hey, hope that helps. And thank you for the call.

866-348-7884. Yeah. Yeah, this is what, Matt, thanks for setting this my way. All right. When I spoke with this ultra-Orthodox Jewish man last week.

He said, I have an elevated Jewish soul, whatever that meant, but of course looked at me as totally deceived. And he wanted to help me. That's why he reached out. And again, I appreciate his love for me as a fellow Jew, and I understand how he looks at me. Growing up as an ultra-Orthodox Jew and seeing things a certain way.

You look at somebody like me like a Martian, you know what I'm saying? From another planet, just trying to deceive Jews and pull them away from the truth.

So I appreciate his love for me, and I recognize how he sees me. All right. So uh It He said I had an elevated Jewish soul, but again, totally lost.

So thanks, Matt, for setting this my way. An article from 2013 in Uh Ha'aretz, which is a liberal Jewish newspaper publication. Gay Jews have higher souls than Gentiles. says the deputy minister. According to the Ben-Dahanist worldview, there is a clear hierarchy in the world.

There is a supreme race, the very same chosen people called the Jewish nation. At the top of the pyramid are the heterosexual Jewish men. If I understood correctly, underneath them are the Jewish women, Jewish bastards, and Jewish homosexuals. But then they're still higher than Gentile souls. Yeah, there are some.

traditional Jews who believe. that Jews in general or of an elevated nature and that Gentiles are of a lower nature. and that in the Messianic era, in the reign of the Messiah on the earth, that the Jews will be serving God and Gentiles will be serving Jews. If you remember when Paul gave his testimony in Acts the 22nd chapter, And when he said that God had called him. to the Gentiles.

There was an uproar. And then, when Paul writes that in the Messiah, Jew and Gentile are equal, these are revolutionary concepts for. Many.

Now they're they're plenty, plenty. Of Jewish leaders who do not believe that Jewish souls are higher than Gentile souls. But there are some who very plainly do. And I had a rabbi on with me last week, another rabbi, who referred to this, one of the reasons that he takes issue with some Hasidic teaching called from the Lubavature sect that says in their most sacred writings of their founding rabbi that Jewish souls are on a higher plane than Gentile souls. Just.

I want to mention that so I Guess based on that, you've got this hierarchy, and a Jewish homosexual is higher. than a gentile heterosexual. Anyway, enough with that. The good news is When the Messiah came, Bad news, all of us have sinned. All of us have fallen short.

All of us are corrupt within. All of us are. defective on a very serious fundamental level. to the core of our being. Without God, without His mercy, in desperate need of Messiah's redemption.

But again, the good news, Messiah came, shed his blood for us as an atoning sacrifice, so we, through him, could not be saved. Could be forgiven that we through him Could receive redemption, that we through him could know God directly. Do you know him directly? Is he father to you in the closest, most intimate way, Do you know that you know if you were to die right now you'd be in his presence? Has the burden of your sin lifted off of you?

so that you feel free. and you're not bound and enslaved by those things? If not, Call out to him to day, God, I want to know you. God, I want to serve you. I want to live for you.

Forgive me. Forgive me. I'll do it. Through what Jesus did on the cross, he'll do it. All right, right back with your calls.

Stay here. God, change the world. Change the world. Oh, God of burning, cleansing flame, send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to our Thirty Jewish Thursday broadcast 866.

3-4 truth time for your Jewish related questions. Let's go to Holly Springs, North Carolina. Gary, welcome to the line of fire. Yes. Hi, doctor Brown.

It's a pleasure to speak to you today. Um I was on the line last week, and I was. I heard the whole. uh conversation between that uh the the person that called in and uh Ages? I just have to commend you, doctor Brown, for the patience that you showed that man.

I mean He was just hurling insults at you. Um and um the faith that that we all share of the uh The virgin birth of Jesus, he made light of that. He said that Mary had a pre- Marital relationship, and Jesus was illegitimate. And you just took it, Dr. Brown.

You just listened. And you just listen and you took it. And I just commend you for your patience. I could not have done that. You're really a role model and a great man of God.

in my eyes.

Well, yeah, Gary, thank you for the kind words. And, you know, God is very patient with us in our ignorance, and especially when you have.

Someone like this gentleman who, from everything I understand about his background as he was talking to me on the air, And then, of course, further confirmed as we've interacted, he's grown up in an ultra-Orthodox environment and seen things through a very focused lens and sees the world very differently. understands the scriptures very differently. Has been immersed in this from his earliest days, sees someone like me, and I'm this, you know, this ultimate. outside are doing terrible damage and you know, just believe things a certain way.

So of of course, we're going to have great love and and patience towards those coming from that perspective. And I hope that that other listeners will really be Uh really be praying for him as well. Hmm.

Well, you did mention in the conversation Isaiah fifty-three.

Well, the end is 52 and 53. For the life of me, Dr. Brown, I don't understand how a Jewish person can read that. I don't know how a rabbi could read that scripture and not see. The Lord Jesus Christ in that scripture.

And it's the Old Testament, it's their writings. I'm not a really smart guy, Dr. Brown. The when when I read that, I could not Hello. But see Jesus Christ in that scripture.

And I don't understand how a rabbi. cannot see that um Yeah, you know what's really interesting, Gary? Obviously, I share your conviction in terms of the clarity of that passage. As The strongest, clearest. statement about the atoning death of the Messiah.

Anywhere in the Bible. In fact, it's even laid out more clearly. even laid out more clearly in the the Hebrew scriptures in terms of the theology of it than in the New Testament, as far as the explicit nature of substitutionary atonement. And I can I can give you in detail for every single verse Why rabbis say it couldn't be Jesus, why traditional Jews say it couldn't be Jesus, why they say it has to be the nation of Israel or the righteous remnant within Israel or some other candidate. But I know the objections inside out, and yet when I read the passage, it comes jumping off the page to me.

But to give you an idea of something, though. in terms of praying for eyes to be opened. I talked to a religious Jewish friend years ago, lives in another country. And he said, I can't see how you can see Jesus in this passage. It's one thing to say, I see how you see it.

But I differ. I I understand your argument. But I differ. But he literally Said I can't see how How you can see Jesus here. And I thought, isn't that amazing?

I mean, he's an educated guy. You talk and have a normal conversation. You know what I'm saying? It's not like words have no meaning and things like that. And yet, you know, we could study scripture side by side and agree on hundreds of other things.

But when it comes to the Messiah, they would say we're the ones misreading it. But I'd say, well, let's just let the text speak for us. For itself. By the way, was was that what you wanted to ask me about Isaiah 54? What I called for, Dr.

Brown, was I became a believer in Jesus many years ago, Yeshua, Jesus, however you want to. call the Messiah. I was raised a Jew. I you know, Hebrew school, Bar Mitzvah, the whole thing. And uh Um God he called me and it it Way, not your normal way, and I was.

I was involved in um Two different, well, I tell you, tell you what, let me just jump in. I'm short on time.

So just got to get to the heart of the question. I'm sure it's an interesting story, but go ahead. Mm-hmm. Question is, Dr. Brown.

My mother and father both died. Uh before I had a true understanding of the scripture. And other than. Other than Romans the eleventh chapter, the twenty-sixth verse, which says, All so all Israel will be saved. Other than that, Doctor Brown, can you give me any hope, anything that I could hang my hat on that my mother and father are not going to be In hell.

Gary, this is a question. That Certainly every Jew who's come to faith is asked, what about my mother and father? What about my family that died before me? What about my grandparents? And not only Jewish people wrestled with this, Gary, but...

Gentiles in different parts of the world. where the gospel comes for the first time. They're excited to hear this amazing news.

some group that's been reached for the first time and then when you they said when did this happen You tell them almost 2,000 years ago and... And why did it take so long to get to me and what about our parents and grandparents and So this is something that we all have to wrestle with. I don't believe Romans 11.26 is speaking of every Jew in history being saved. I don't see any guarantee of that. I believe there'll be a national turning at the end of the age.

That's what Romans 11.26 is speaking about. But I I do not see Any Specific promise that we can say, okay, all of our relatives in the past will be saved, and we know for sure. That we've been under judgment, often scattered around the world. And we know for sure that past generations, you know, the days of the apostles, saw the Messiah himself and rejected him.

So, and many times we've been judged by God right within the Hebrew scriptures.

So, here's where I leave things, Gary. I leave things by trusting in the righteousness of God. I leave things in trusting of the goodness and fairness of God. Whether it's from my father or mother, whether it's from my grandparents, whether it's for someone else, if I did not know that they explicitly received the Lord, I have to trust the Lord. The words of Abraham, always relevant, Genesis 18, will not the God of all the earth do right?

When we stand before him on the Tay Gary, we will know that whatever he does is right and good, and will affirm it. That's my hope. Thank you, sir. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. They get along unbelievably well.

I had meetings. And at these meetings, I was actually very impressed and somewhat surprised at how well. They get along. They work together beautifully. That was President Trump yesterday making remarks along with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

About Israeli leaders and Palestinian leaders working together to coordinate security and things like that. And in his typical, forthright way, President Trump said he was somewhat surprised to see how they got along. Yet, there were disturbing comments made by Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas yesterday, and I want to focus on those. Welcome to Thurly Jewish Thursday on the line of fire. This is Michael Brown.

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This is again from the remarks of. Uh President Trump, President Abbas. conference after their meeting yesterday. But there can be no lasting peace unless the Palestinian leaders Speak in a unified voice. against incitement to violate and violence.

and hate. There's such hatred But Hopefully there won't be such hatred. for very long. All children of God must be taught to value and respect human life and condemn all of those who target The innocent.

So again, President Trump calling for the end of incitement to hate. And really pointing to the Palestinian authorities saying you're guilty of that. And yet, yet, President Abbas said this: Are you ready? Um He said this, I affirm to you that we are raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren. On a culture of peace.

May may I? Read that again? President Abbas said, Mr. President, I affirm to you that we are raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren on a culture of peace. Oh no.

Oh no, that is not true. I give examples in my article. I'm going to give you more. minutes right here on the line of fire. We'll take your calls too.

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So it will be the second time. And the last one. Wow. In our hands. that will be shown May 23rd, one night only, Tuesday night in select theaters.

Special one-night event. about the Six-Day War. And the miracle. of the liberation of Jerusalem, the reuniting of Jerusalem. It's it's powerful.

I was moved watching it. It recreates.

Some of what happened and terrible violence and suffering, many lives lost. It interviews many of the people involved in the liberation of Jerusalem. To find out more, go to inourhands1967.com. Inourhands1967.com. Before I go to the phones, how about this?

So, Tuesday, Israel Independence Day, Yoma Atzma'ut. And this past Tuesday.

So on the same day, UNESCO, which is United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization's Executive Board, issued a statement that put forth a resolution rejecting Israeli sovereignty and jurisdiction over Jerusalem. A majority of 22 states voted in favor, 10 voted against, and 23 abstained. Deputy Foreign Minister Zipi Hatovli called the resolution absurd. We have become used to the concept of fake news.

Well, welcome to fake history. UNESCO has long been politicized and unfortunately has become a tool in the service of Palestinian propaganda against Israel. She stated, such absurd and historically baseless resolutions undermine UNESCO's mission of safeguarding humanity's cultural heritage. What a poor joke of a statement from UNESCO. And of course, Israel stands up to it with a firm rebuke.

Let's go to the phones in Winston-Salem. Chris, welcome to the line of fire. Hey, Dr. Ann, how you doing? Doing well, thank you.

Hey listen, question is Uh the Lord's feast days in Leviticus. They have seven feast days. Mm-hmm. Four of them have supposedly been fulfilled to the month, day, and the hour, and three of them have not, and that's the fall feast. And I wanted to understand, I wanted to get your pro your uh Your site on those last feast days, the harvest, I guess that would be the fall feast.

And what what's that so what's that totally about? Because I've heard a lot. I've heard a lot of stuff about, you know, we don't know the date nor the hour when Jesus will return. And we were I was wondering, is that an idiom? Because they were saying that the feast of trumpets was No, it's certainly not an idiom.

No, that's not an idiom. That's not an idiom. People have made that claim, or it's a Talmudic idiom, or no, it's not an idiom.

So for sure, that is what the Messiah is saying there.

So here's the obvious question, then, Chris. As you say, The the earlier prophecies So Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits. And Pentecost, Shavuot, Feast of Weeks, those all happen at those times. Messiah dies at the time of the sacrificing of the Passover lambs. He is resurrected in conjunction with first fruits the first day after the Sabbath.

He rises 50 days later, Shavuot, Pentecost, the Feast of Weeks. The Holy Spirit is poured out.

So now clearly we know what the last three feasts point to. I mean that seems very, very clear. that feast of trumpets, the sounding of the trumpets. which in later Jewish tradition becomes Rosh Hashanah, the beginning of the year. But as you say, it's the fall feast, September, October, these fall every year.

That clearly points to the return of the Messiah. That's definite. What is its definite?

Well, we know that they're yet to be fulfilled, so what do they point to?

Well, Feast of Trumpets, the trumpet blast, Matthew 24. 1 Corinthians 15 1 Thessalonians 4 The Messiah returns with the blast of the trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15 says it's the last trumpet. Revelation 11 tells us with the sounding of the seventh of seven trumpets, the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our God, and he'll reign forever and ever.

So, the feast of trumpets certainly possesses. points to the Messiah's return. What's that followed by? Day of Atonement, right? There's a time of testing, trial, and then day of atonement.

So 10 days later, first day of the seventh month, trumpets, 10th day of the seventh month, atonement. That obviously speaks of national cleansing. especially for Israel. And then five days after their tabernacles, this is the harvest of the nations. This is the ingathering of the nations.

And where do we see it? We see it in Zechariah 12 that the Jewish people look to the one they've pierced in mourning and repent.

So that's with his return. That corresponds to trumpets, which leads to Zechariah 13. At that time, a fountain is opened to the house of Israel for cleansing. And so there we have it in Zechariah 13, Day of Atonement, cleansing of the nation. And then Zechariah 14 is explicit that the survivors of the nations that attack Jerusalem will do what?

They will come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

So the obvious question is, okay. Does this mean that the Messiah is going to come literally? on the Feast of Trumpets one year. In other words, it's going to be a September-October date. And we don't know the exact year, but if we can figure out the year, then we know the day.

You could argue for that, sir. You could argue for it. And the argument would be just as the first feasts were fulfilled at that time. Then the second feast, the spring feasts were fulfilled. At that time of the year on the calendar.

And And the the fall feast will be fulfilled. as they're on the calendar. You say, well then you'd just be able to know the exact day. That's the problem. That's the exact problem, Chris.

So for sure. I see this pointing to the return of the Lord, cleansing of Israel, and the in-gathering of the nations. Can you argue that that's when it's gonna happen?

Well, then you would know the day.

So it remains a question. Does it speak of these things symbolically that they will happen at that time? Or does it speak of them literally that they'll happen at that time? As it happens, we'll find out. Um But to predict it's going to be on this particular day, I don't believe we can do that based on other scripture.

Does that answer your question? Yeah, that answers are good, man. I appreciate it, man. All right, great. Glad to know that.

Thank you, sir. 866-34Truth. Let's see if I can grab another call. Then I want to get back to the Abbas Trump meeting yesterday. We go to Des Moines, Iowa.

Daniel, welcome to the line of fire. Hey, thank you so much. That was an interesting discussion. My question has to do with Romans 11. Uh verse twenty-six.

Does that mean that all Jewish people will be in heaven? Yes, Daniel, it's interesting. That the last half hour, right before this half hour, I was asked that identical question. Based on the identical verse. No, no, no, don't apologize, because it was by a Jewish man wondering what about his mother and father.

They died before he really understood the word and could really share the gospel with them.

So I would love it, Daniel. I would love it, sir. if I could tell you. that every Jewish person who ever lived in history is going to be saved in the future. That Romans 11:26, when Paul says, and so all Israel will be saved, that it meant every Jewish person in history.

I would love that. But I'm sure that's not the case. Why will We know that Jewish people have sinned like everyone else. And we know there's only one way to God, that's through the Messiah. And we know that in Old Testament times, before the coming of Jesus, that we were often under judgment.

And cursed, not blessed, and scattered into exile, and the temple destroyed. These were signs that we were not right. with God. And again, I would love it if I could say, yeah, everyone gets in. But there's no basis for it scripturally.

Jews have had more opportunity. to know God through history because the word of God was entrusted to the Jewish people. Jews also have more accountability. And remember. that Yeshua rebuked religious hypocrites in his day.

and and spoke of their their lostness. And they're being under judgment. And Peter and Paul dealt with Jewish people in their day who rejected the message of the Messiah even when his power was demonstrated. in front of their eyes. And thankfully, there are Jewish people around the world.

Who do believe and have believed through the generations, but we have the same issue with the whole Gentile world, sir. and every soul equally loved by God, so we have this identical issue. With Gentiles around the world, no, we don't have as many promises to the Gentiles as we do the Jewish people, but we don't have as much accountability either. And why was Paul so brokenhearted in Romans 9? Why was he saying, I wish I'd be cut off from the Messiah forever myself if that would bring salvation to my people?

The reason his heart was broken was because Jewish people were lost. just as so many Gentiles are lost.

So it's a heavy subject. Much of the world rejects God and is lost, and that's painful to know. That's why we share all the more. That's why we pray all the more. And that's why we weep all the more for the salvation of the Jewish people, the salvation of the Gentile world.

May God bring many to himself. in the days ahead. And for those in the past, they will all stand before God and God will be perfectly righteous. and what he does. Thank you, sir, for the call.

It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome back to our Thorly Jewish Thursday broadcast on the line of fire.

Michael Brown, delighted to be with you. I want to finish off. going back to The meeting with President Trump and President Abbas yesterday. If you're just tuning in, I do hope to have something in writing in the next 24 hours with my thoughts on President Trump's executive order, what we make of that, how we should understand it in terms of religious liberty, a lot of other things happening in the news today with the White House, and the National Day of Prayer. prayer.

So When Mahmoud Obasin is Scripted comments yesterday said, Mr. President, it's about time for Israel to end its occupation of our people and of our land after 50 years. He said we're the only remaining people in the world that still live under occupation. We are aspiring and want to achieve our freedom, our dignity, and our right to self-determination. And we also want for Israel to recognize the Palestinian state, just as the Palestinian people recognize the state of Israel.

There are a number of difficulties with that. A paragraph. First, The reason for the so-called occupation is that the refusal of Arab, first is the refusal of Arab leadership to agree to previous two state offers, first 1937 and 1947. Second, The attempted Arab destruction of Israel in 1967, which Israel preempted with the Six-Day War. expanding its borders in the process.

And third, ongoing Arab and Palestinian attacks on the Jewish people. because of which Israel has continued to control the West Bank of the Jordan, ancient Judea and Samaria.

So to lay the blame on Israel is to have the situation backwards. And then when President Abbas talks about Israel recognizing Palestinian state as they recognize Israel as President Abbas in Arabic. Recognize Israel as a Jewish State. And what about Reports early this year, last one I saw, demonstrating that Palestinian Authority textbooks ignore the existence of Israel. Where is the recognition?

of Israel. among the Palestinians. Fully and as it should be. You have not really heard it. Look, Yasha Arafat used to be famous.

for making statements. where he would say he recognized Israel in English. and then go and preach in Arabic and call for jihad. against Israel. and and basically deny everything he said.

But but the biggest thing the biggest thing He says this. Mr. President, I affirm to you that we are raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren on a culture of peace. Really? But by naming schools after Palestinian terrorists, That's how you raise children in a culture of peace.

Last year. An elementary school was named. uh after the mastermind of the Munich massacre. The Olympic Massacre. Elementary school.

You celebrate these terrorists as martyrs and make them heroes for the children to emulate. You spread false information about Israel on the Temple Mount so that... Even teenagers, 13-year-old teenagers get provoked and start stabbing Israelis, Israeli kids and others. Because they get so provoked by the misinformation. That's not raising them on the culture of peace.

2016. How about this report? Fatak Central Committee member Sultan Abo al Inan. Excuse me, I-9, a top advisor to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, told the Palestinian website in June 2016: if you ask me my blunt position, I would say, every place you find an Israelis slit his throat. A few days later, 17-year-old Mohamed Nasser Tariyah broke into the home of 13-year-old Halel Yafa Arail and stabbed her to death in her bed.

Yeah. Parents, think of that one. Think of that. your thirteen year old sleeping in her bed. Stabbed to death.

by a Palestinian teenager. Was he directly provoked by these comments or the larger incitement of the Palestinian Authority to murder Israelis? Palwatch.org reports this. And if you haven't gone to Palwatch, Palestinian Media Watch, spend some time there. You'll be shocked.

It just reports on what's happening in Palestinian media. It just says, here's the latest. This is us on TV. This is what's on Facebook. Here's what's on the newspapers.

Just reporting it. Translate into English. Suicide bomber honored a year later with monument and youth procession. This was from April 19th. Suicide Bomber honored a year later with Monument and Youth Procession.

So is this what you call? raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren on a culture of Peace. Yeah, I believe most Palestinians want peace. Their leaders are one of the biggest problems of all. Um Here, Aaron Klein, Breitbart.com, has an article.

Reinforces this. A boss misleads Trump. We are raising our children on a culture of peace. The very thing that jumped at me jumped at Aaron Klein.

So he gives some examples. Uh just from the past two weeks. A leading Islamic cleric appointed by Abbas claimed in a PA Palestinian Authority TV sermon earlier this week that Israel is waging war against the Muslim world with drugs and sex mania. Official PA TV broadcast a special edition of a TV show from the family home of a terrorist who murdered his Israeli employer 15 years ago, referring to him as a hero. and a source of pride for Palestine.

On Abbas's Fatah T V a Palestinian woman declared that the real meaning of the promised land is the place where Allah will fulfill His promise to exterminate all Jews. Abbas's Fatakh Party published an anti-Semitic cartoon comparing Israel to the Islamic State terror group. An official PA daily newspaper published a cartoon last week depicting the message: Water the soil with your blood. I I saw the cartoon. It's just it's perverse.

It's absolutely perverse. Uh Rabbi Shmooly. has an article, an op-ed piece from today.

Now yesterday in the Jerusalem Post, do U.S. taxpayers know that Palestinian terrorists are on their payroll? Yeah. Again, that terrorists who are Here, here's an example, all right? Terrorists who get out of prison are celebrated.

Shmuley says there is no secret made of the heroic homecoming offered by PA President Mahmoud Abbas to free Palestinian terrorists in 2013 in which he triumphantly held off the hands of brutal thugs such as Aba Musa Atia who axed Isaac Rottenberg, a 67-year-old survivor of the Sobibor death camp to death at a construction site. As for those terrorists who never made it home, they have streets, schools, parks, and competitions named after them. And on and on it goes. Girl Scouts participating in Fatak ceremony in memory of female terrorist Dalal al-Mughabi, one of the most violent mass murderers, on a bus with other terrorists. And they systematically began to slaughter the Israelis, one at a time, including children, a number of them are six years old.

And they threw the corpses out the back door to try to stop the security forces as they were trying to catch up with the bus. Over 30 Israelis slaughtered during that. When she gets out of prison, she's honored as a heroine of her people. And the Girl Scouts, Palestinian Authority, or Palestinian Girl Scouts, participate in the ceremony in her memory. looking back to her life.

Yeah. Yeah, I said coming out of prison to celebrate, I should say, looking back at her life, celebrating her memory. This is what's going on, and this is the greatest obstacle to peace of them all. Only God can intervene here.

So we turn to Him. Remember, friends. Be sure to get my free e-book, Seven Secrets of the Real Messiah. Go to askdrbrown.org, sign up to get our e-list, and the e-book is yours.