A Special Interview with Yesupadam and Monika from India

In celebration of July 4th, I've got an amazing interview with amazing friends from three years ago today. It's time for The Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Well, I think this is the first time I've started the broadcast with the national anthem, Michael Brown, coming your way live on July 4th. Today's broadcast is going to be special in at least three different ways. Number one, we are live. Our entire office building is completely empty. No one else is here except for the core team for radio.

And. We're coming your way live. Why?

Well, I love to do radio, and a lot of you get to listen on the July 4th that wouldn't get to listen.

So that's number one. Number two, we're not doing our normal Friday show. You've got questions. We've got answers.

Some of you are like, oh man, I've been waiting.

Well, we'll take extra calls early next week, so fear not. But number three, what makes this extra special is some of my dearest friends in the world, co-workers for many years, Yesu Pottam and Monica from India, are sitting here with me live in the studio. I may take some calls, maybe. If you have a question with.

Well, that relates to missions. You're wondering about a calling of God, your own life, and have a practical question. We may take some questions, 866-34TRUTH, 866-348-7884. But Without further ado, I want to introduce my guests to you. And if you want to find out more about their ministry or participate in their ministry, the website is Love and Care Ministries.

That is lncministries.org. I put it up on Facebook and Twitter so that you can know about it. Yes, Monica, wonderful to have you on the broadcast with us today. It's so good to be with you, my friend. All right.

It's great to be with you. Thank you. How long have you been in the States now? We are here for four weeks now. Four weeks.

And before that, where were you? We were in the States for two weeks and then went to Canada for two and a half weeks. Before that? But in Germany. Germany.

All right. I want to talk about the ministry that you're doing in Germany, but. Before I do that, it is Independence Day, and of course, things happening in Madagascar. A lot of folks wouldn't even know where Madagascar is, but amazing work going on there. And of course, the work in India.

How many churches planted now in the tribal regions, brother? Around 350 churches. 350 churches that you're overseeing. How many total have been planted through the ministry? 6,000.

Yeah, 6,000 in tribal regions. Most of us would have a hard time surviving for a couple of days in some of the conditions there. And the children's home, hospital, all this going on. But let's just take a minute. How does America feel to you?

On this trip. I mean, you're a spiritual man, you're around different Christians, different churches. How does the country feel to you? I really feel like uh Uh the people should really press on to the Lord and uh Take life seriously, investing their lives into the kingdom. There's a passiveness sometimes in the churches and I really desire the churches to really burn out.

For the dying world. And do things seem different this year, better or worse, in terms of the climate here, spiritual climate than in your previous trips? You know, it looks more, there are people who really love the Lord, still love the Lord, and overall, I see it's little going discouraged and going down than it should have been. Yep. I think many would agree with you, friends.

We want to encourage you today. It's Independence Day, but there are freedoms that we have lost in many ways in our country. And the church, in many ways, is capitulating to the culture. We're going to talk with folks who are literally seeing a transformation of culture where they live. We'll be right back.

It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Yeah. I hope you are having a happy and blessed July 4th. This is Michael Brown, and I'm coming your way live. If you don't believe me, Then call this number, 866-348-7884. And you'll find out that we are actually live.

I don't know why you wouldn't believe me, but we are live. We have some very special guests. And when I got a note from our friend Monica, Monica and Yesu Pottam serving together in India, I've been there now 21 straight years and can't wait to go back again in December. When I got a note that they were going to be in town and we could do radio, I said, great, let's do it. Date didn't matter, time of the week didn't matter, as long as we could have this time together.

And I know you'll be stirred. And I know you'll be encouraged. And I want to tie in some themes that are relevant, having to do with independence, having to do with revolution. In past broadcasts, we've talked in length about Yesu Padam's testimony. But we'll give it the short version here.

Yesupanam, you were raised as an untouchable. Your father had become a Christian and gave you the name Yesu Padam, Jesus Foot, being at the foot of Jesus. You didn't like that name. But is there any way that you can communicate to an American listener what it was like to be an untouchable child in India? Oh yeah.

Uh Untouchability is a very terrible thing. And uh they live in a small communities. They have nothing to do with the rich community, high caste people, and they don't want anything. They're very poor and like me growing up, two, three days in a week I had no food, even to the point I was left to die on the street with starvation. And it was a Canadian missionary who found you and brought you to a hospital, and you were in very serious condition.

What kind of house did you grow up in? It was a small hut with no walls around it. When it rained, it used to rain inside because it's a thatched roof-shut hut. And what kind of floor did you have? It's a dirt port, that floor.

When it rains, when it is wet, you can't even sleep in the night because we have to sleep on the floor. And how many of you were there in this little hut? We were five children with mom and dad, seven people. Got it. All right.

What was your attitude as you started to get a little older?

Now you're 10, 11 years old. Did you just accept this? This is your lot in life. You know, this is you just have to live like this and reincarnate better in the world to come, or did you have hostility towards the system? I was very hostile against the system.

I felt like I was treated like worse than an animal. I didn't think that was right at all. That's where my heart really started burning, and I tried to. I have two options: either to come. Kill myself.

And just end my life, or fight for the right as a human being to live. All right, now at that point you didn't know the Lord, so when you talk about fight, what was the alternative that you were presented with? There was only one alternative at that time, the Communist Party, which talks about a social revolution. fighting for the rights even if we had to uh No, lay down our life or die or kill, whatever it takes, but bring a deliverance or like an independence for the untouchable community. Right, so obviously there's powerful appeal when you hear that message.

The Naxalites, they're called radical Maoist communists.

So, how old were you when you committed to communism in India? And how did you do it? I was 11 years old when the communist leader started coming to me and talking to me. And he said two things very Clearly, I still remember them. He said, There is no caste system in communism.

He said there is no rich and poor difference. He said, If you become a communist, we'll all be called as comrades, and we can bring a social revolution. And those were very appealing to me. And I took the blade, cut my finger, I wrote my name on a white piece of paper with my blood, making a blood covenant to be a lifetime communist, to bring hope and fight for my right and to bring hope to my untouchable community. And so that was the way it was done, signing.

In your own blood, that's the commitment they asked for. Yes. All right, so, friends, I want you to hear something. There are many revolutionary movements in the world. And some of them have lofty goals, but if they are not connected with the gospel, rather than bringing justice, they're going to bring pain and destruction.

And Yesupatam, 11 years old, doesn't know the Lord, wants to overthrow the caste system. What's presented to him is this radical communism. And so he signs in his own blood to become a Naxalite, a Maoist, communist. What happened to your life in the decade after that? You know, there's uh It was a hard life.

I became a strong alcoholic, because with the right mind of anybody, we'd never do the things we did. went underground and uh fighting against the rich community. The philosophy of the communism is kill the rich, feed the poor. And I was so angry and uh I thought I was doing right involved with that until I was twenty three and a half. All right.

Uh so at this point you're married. You're an alcoholic. Did you have any spiritual beliefs? Not at all. I was an atheist.

So, an atheist, you were convinced not just the Hindu gods were false gods, but there was no God. No God, exactly. All right. Why did you feel like that? Because there was so much injustice in the world.

How could there be a God? Was there a reason behind the atheism? There was actually the thing that dominated me was: I remember my father talking to me about the gospel, what Jesus has done, and he always told me, Son, Jesus loves you, He died for you, you should serve Him. Then I was thinking to myself one day, if the God, at least my father believes, He's a loving God, as my father said, why should He go through all this hurts, pain, and rejection? Why all this misery just to me?

So it was hard for me to believe that there is a God that loves me because everything I have seen, I experienced is no love. It was all hatredness and untouchability. And I can't even ask people to give me a cup of water. They don't give me their glass. And it was all that painful thing.

So I realized that it's not real to believe that there's a loving God. That loves me to the point. If He is really loving God, why should He make me go through all this pain and suffering? Right. Right.

And it's a valid question. If he is the God that's described, if he's all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, where's the love? He sees the suffering. He brought you into the world like this. Not just you, but.

Hundreds of millions of others.

So you're hostile, you're angry, an atheist, alcoholic, violent man. Maoist communist, 23 and a half years old, what happens? I was not looking for God because I never believed in God. It was 1976, January 26, which is a Republic Day of India. Really?

It's a good today to share that because this is July 4th. With all our time talking, I don't know if that ever dawned on me. Exactly.

So I was sitting in a chair, looked towards the sky, very far in the sky. It's a clear sky. I saw the shape of a man hanging on the cross. When I saw that, I didn't see his face clearly because it's a little far from me, but very clear shape of a man hanging on the cross. When I saw that, the first thought was it could be Jesus.

Then immediately I thought, oh, this is just my imagination because my communist brain started fighting against my own eyes. That's what I was looking at.

So there was a battle between my brain and my eyes. Then to my surprise, thank God God did not leave me in a confusion because he is not the God of confusion. As if somebody zoomed a lens, I saw his hand very clearly, very close, and the nail in his hand and the blood drop after drop coming and falling down. which shocked me totally, and I to my surprise I heard I heard an audible voice of a man in my language. He said, Son, I have done all this for you.

What will you do for me? That word, son, such a loving I it it still when I think of that Those moments, it not only brings tears to my eyes, but just a joy in my heart that such a great God is looking for me. Then, when I started reading the Bible, said Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost. You know, then the way he was seeking for me and looking for the opportunities, and the way he revealed it, nobody can ever miss the reality of living Jesus that day, which transformed my life forever. And how quickly did you see change come?

You know, it's just sudden. I mean, it didn't take even minutes there. I don't know how long I sat there, maybe around 40, 45 minutes, because after that experience, there was a conviction of sin came over me. I was crying like a baby all my life in front of my eyes. And I started hearing what my dad told me all the time: Son, Jesus loves you, He died for you, must serve Him.

And what the missionary has done, Canadian missionary, who is still alive in Nova Scotia. And so, how he picked me up. There was a still small voice this time in my heart reminding me that's God's love. That's God's love. That's God's love.

And as much as I was hearing about the love of God, a great conviction of sin, I was crying like a baby there. Just baby. And immediately my heart was like, This needs to be known by my people. The great country of India, who has so many so-called gods and gods. But they never heard this name.

This name has to be known. And I got up from there. All right, we'll finish on the other side of the break. But Yasuk Pottam has become a Jesus revolutionary. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

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What beautiful Four Oh hero. I'm not sure if I can do it. The voice of Great Charles America, the beautiful, on this July 4th. Michael Brown coming your way live. With a burning heart to see America rocked afresh with the gospel, friends.

We need a massive awakening in our country, more so than at any other time in my lifetime. And I'm 59 years old. I'm sitting in my studio with two of my dearest friends in the world, Yesu Padam and Monica from India. We're going to be together for two hours talking. And each half hour, because I know some of you will only get part of the broadcast, will be self-contained.

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So, Yesu Padam, you have this encounter with Jesus as an atheist, alcoholic, violent, Naxalite, communist, 23 and a half years old. Yeah. Overwhelmed with conviction of sin at the same time that you're overwhelmed with the love of God. You said the change within you is basically instant. You got up from that encounter with the Lord, and what happened?

I went to the street corner. I saw all the Your people in India. 1.2 billion people that live in India. Everywhere you see people, and I felt like they were going on the way to their hell because they never heard the name of Jesus. I stood on the side of the road clapping and calling people.

And telling them that Jesus is real, Jesus is true, believe in Jesus. All right, so this is immediately after getting saved, minutes after getting born again, you had to tell everyone. Yes. That's what I thought. I was like, how can anybody miss the reality of living Jesus?

And my people, you know, they're looking for God. They want God. But they don't know who's a true and living God. That's why they're worshiping all the idols and the animals.

So my only desire was they need to hear the name of Jesus, who is a true living God, the Savior of the universe, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords.

So I was just standing there telling them the name of John. People literally thought I lost my mind because they knew me before for my other activities.

So when I started talking to people about Jesus, you know, the other thing, I'm still crazy for Jesus. Yeah, the fire hasn't gone out, the passion hasn't gone out, the tears haven't ceased.

So you then went from being a violent communist revolutionary, perhaps with some good goals to see equality and justice, but carried out in the flesh and carnality and violence. And you immediately became a Jesus revolutionary. What does that mean?

Sometimes people hear the word revolution, they think violence, they think intimidation, they think force, but the Jesus way is completely other. The Jesus way overcomes evil with good and overcomes hatred with love. What has it meant to you to be a Jesus revolutionary? That transformed my life, actually. The way Jesus, the greatest revolution ever.

The world faced was the Jesus Revolution. This is not like killing people, this is not like harming people, this is doing good to the people. And we know that every revolution there was a bloodshed, you know, killing the people, but here, this, there is also a bloodshed in Jesus Revolution. But it was the blood of Jesus, He shed His blood. You know to sail the world and And so that to me is like an amazing thing, just to think that involved in killing people.

Here comes a man who killed himself, who lay down his life for the sake of the dying world, so that they will have an eternal life, that they will understand the love of God, the God who loved the world and sent his only begotten. That to me is like an amazing truth. It's like how I never thought revolution is that somebody will give their life.

So that others will be benefited. And this is like a totally different kind. And that transformed me, and I realized that there is no Better Powerful thing in this world than the unselfish divine love of God. How is that now on a practical level? We could speak about this for hours, but just the summary: what has the Lord allowed you and helped you to plant and start just in India?

It's amazing. Just, you know, we showed, I really believed in the book of James, and which really inspired me. You can tell somebody God loves them, but showing them, like taking the children from the streets, children like me, and providing them food, education, health, and just telling them God loves them. It's so easy to understand. Going to the tribal areas, people who never heard the name of Jesus were also treated like worse than animals, and government doesn't even care for them.

Going to them, loving on them, hugging them, and telling them that there's a God that loves them and what God has done for them. It's been a very Powerful instrument and showing the love of God in a very practical way.

So you have an orphanage and children's home. Yeah, and we have the old age homes and we have the hospital. We work with the disabled, young adults who may be begging on the street, training them in computers, trailering, and printing press. And we do a lot of medical camps and feed the poor and give clothing and medical aid. I mean, anything that works for the people to show the love of God.

And yet, you started a nursing school, nursing college? Yes, we train the nurses, which is three and a half years program. And once they are trained, they can go anywhere.

Some of our children in our orphanage are the trained nurses now, working and self-supporting. And you know, it's impacting the community. And how many meals a day are you responsible for? In just one base in Vishaga Batnam. Not the staff, but the people that live.

It's 2,000 meals a day. Just in that one place. One place. Yeah, and it's all by faith. Yes.

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It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown.

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It is the July 4th holiday, Independence Day. Hope you're having a blessed day, getting some family time, some rest time. Michael Brown coming your way. Live. Yep, we had the opportunity to come your way live, able to get faithful folks in the studio.

Dennis Dwight, thanks for your help today. If you have a question where you feel that my friends Jesus Panama and Monica might be able to give you some helpful counsel, I might take some calls at 866-348-7884. But what we normally do on Friday, you've got questions, we've got answers. We're not doing today because we have our friends from India, not just in the States, but right here near our studio.

So they came in today to be with us. And I wanted to take the whole two hours of radio time today to spend with them. If you miss any part of the broadcast, go to my website, Ask Dr. Brown, ASKDRBrown.org, and click on latest audio. If you still haven't watched my debate from last Saturday on Can You Be Gay and Christian with Matthew Vines, just go to my YouTube channel, Ask Dr.

Brown, ASKDRBrown.org. Click on latest video. Just on our YouTube channel alone, it's been viewed over 16,000 times since it went up last Saturday.

So there's obviously interest in that. And they're always relevant. important articles to read if you click on latest article. The isopottem during the break. You said to me with tears that you feel honored to speak to people in America.

You know, America's. Very mixed. There's so much good we've done over the years. There's a lot of bad we've done. You know, we export a lot of our worldly ways to the world.

We've sent out missionaries. We've helped bring freedom to other nations. What is it that touches you so about speaking to America right now? This country sacrifice so much for the gospel. I always believed.

Destination exists. For the purposes of God. And if it is not for this nation, I will I won't be doing what I'm doing around the world. The people who are standing with me, praying for me, supporting me. And this country, that's why I feel honored to come back here to the country which sent out missionaries and our prayers and money to many mission missions around the world.

So that's uh God bringing me back to this nation. to remind the churches and the Christians That the work is not done yet. There is act to be done. We cannot give up. To press on So many around the world as I travel to different nations, great need.

to spread the gospel. You know, many times people are looking for Different things in this world, but not knowing gospel is the answer. for every human problem. in anywhere around the world. And we need people really to go Share the gospel, to send the people to share the gospel.

And this I know the enemy is coming so strongly against this nation in many ways, against the Christians. But I believe with all my heart that there's no way The enemy can will Can wind up battle enemies destined for defeat. The enemy knows no victory. And Jesus knows no. Oh, defeat at all.

We as Christians, we cannot think about defeat. We should think about victory, dream about victory, talk about victory, and win the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ. irrespective what we grow go through in our life in different timings with the different circumstances. I want to encourage all my brothers and sisters to know that our Redeemer, our Messiah, is still on the throne. He still rules and reigns, and it's time To really rededicate our lives, whatever it takes.

whatever it costs. even if it costs our life, it's worth laying down our lives for the sake of the gospel, the one who laid down his life, who shed his blood till the last drop. That's what I want for the church in America. Boy, drink those words in, friend. Yesupatam speaking from his heart to you.

on this Independence Day here in America. Ain't so It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 Truth. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Yes, yes, it is July 4th. It is Independence Day in America. Boy, we've lost a lot of our spiritual freedoms. And some Other freedoms, constitutional freedoms, but we can only lose them by capitulating. In other words, no one can take them from us, which means if we'll turn to the Lord heart and soul, and as my dear brother and friend Yesupadam from India just encouraged us in the last segment, focus on Jesus and his victory.

The tide can and will turn. 866-34-TRUTH. But I'm not planning on taking calls. Normally on Friday, we do. You've got questions, we've got answers.

But I had the unique opportunity to come your way live with my dear friend Yesupadam from India and his precious wife, Monica.

So we are here together. By the way, As I was looking at my email today, I saw a note sent out from Reinhardt Bonke in his ministry, one of the most powerful evangelists of our generation or of any time. And here it is, from sea to shining sea, America shall be saved. Yes, it's announcing meetings he'll be doing in different parts of America, Miami, Greensboro, North Carolina, Long Island, Houston, Texas, Chicago, Pittsburgh. But it's not just his meetings that he's proclaiming.

He believes that God is going to bring another awakening to America. All right. We have been talking a lot with Yesu Potom. Born as an untouchable in India, radically saved at 23 and a half, and a man who's been used by God in such extraordinary ways that a couple of years ago, on his 60th birthday, I flew into India just to be with him. He fully understands I'm not going to fly around the world for anybody's birthday except for his, but we're that close.

And it was amazing to see government officials. Flying in, traveling in to honor him because of the humanitarian work they have done, even in the midst of a Hindu nation, recognizing this gospel work and the gospel spreading mightily in India. Monica, you are of German descent, but born and raised in Canada. How do you end up in India? Yeah, well, God is amazing.

His ways are amazing. I was saved when I was seven, and I was in a German Baptist church, and sent out a lot of missionaries to Africa, so I heard a lot of missionary stories. And when I was twelve, God called me to be a missionary. And I just said, Lord, I'll go wherever you want me to go. I'll do whatever you want me to do.

Just show me. And after high school, I went to Bible school, I did a lot of short-term missions, and then very suddenly in 96, God put India on my heart. And I didn't know anywhere to go. But a week later, Yesupan came to preach in a church in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, where I'm from. And I heard him speak.

He shared about the ministry, gave an invitation to go there. And within six months, I was in India. And I was just excited to be on the foreign mission field. I thought I'll serve for three years and go back to Canada. But within three weeks, God spoke to me that he was my husband, and this was my lifetime call.

Now, of course, if we gave all the story in all detail, it's so wild and miraculous that if people didn't know you, they wouldn't believe it. But Yesupanam had been married, two children. His wife got very sick with cancer and died and was raised from the dead. And lived a couple years after that, and then went to be with the Lord. You know, the thing that's so extraordinary with all the miracles we talk about and all that God's done, we don't even spend a lot of time talking about one of the most outstanding miracles any of us have ever heard about.

So at this point now, you are in India. Yesupatam is a widower, and God speaks to you. You're going to marry this Indian man. Did you think that means I'm going to be joined to India for the rest of my life? Did that throw you at all or scare you at all?

No, I was just thrilled. It's like my life made sense. what I had been waiting for, that this was my lifetime call to be in India the rest of my life. All right. You're not living on the streets or anything like that, but it's a very, very, very different world that you're living in.

Even when you've gone to serve in Germany, that because they think, oh, you're from India, we could just put you your whole family little room. You you've lived very sacrificially. What were the biggest things to adjust to as a Canadian living in India and then ultimately married to an Indian? Yeah. I think just the temperatures would be some of the greatest thing.

God gave me such a grace to love the food and the culture, to adapt to the culture. I just find the humidity difficult. And the spiritual oppression, it's so different from Canada and North America. And just that battle that you're in day in and day out, it can be very wearing.

So you need a lot of grace for that. But I've seen India change so much over the years from so much oppression and darkness to like an open heaven.

So it's gotten a lot easier to do ministry there. And that's been incredible to watch. There was a political leader who died tragically in a helicopter crash, but he was a Christian man. And when he died, there was kind of a revelation about how many Christians there were in the state of Andhra, in Andhra Pradesh, the outcry of support, and then the people with their stories about how their lives had been touched by this politician. What are people saying?

saying about Percentage on a realistic basis of Christians in your state or in India? Yeah, Christians are so evangelistic. And they're saying now around 20 to 25 percent Christians in India. Seriously. Yes.

When you say they're saying the Christians believe that. The Christians believe that. The statistic we normally heard, especially when I first started going over there, was 2 or 3 percent. Yes. And that hasn't changed in many, many years.

Oh, okay, great. But you're still. All right. The government's still saying 2 or 3 percent. But in reality it is It's at least twenty to twenty five percent and recently a Hindu man, a strong Hindu man, who came on a television and he was telling there may be only twenty five percent Hindus in India now.

It was on a local Television station.

So so it means the people just Hindu by background but not practising Hinduism now, or or what? They they really believe many of the Hindus are being converted. Really? Really. That's why they feel threatened now, trying to come against it somehow to stop it.

But you know who can stop the gospel? Yeah, that's the question. Who can stop the gospel? On a daily basis now, practical. Yes.

I have seen That it's not a matter of you doing good, helping the poor, helping the needy, caring for the elderly, the handicapped, because this is the way to win them to the Lord. But you care for them because you love them. And that's part of the extension of the love of God. Monica, a kid in the children's home, how young are they? Three, three and a half, the youngest you bring in?

Yes, three, till about 16.

Okay, what does their day look like, an average day? They all get up at five in the morning and start their day with one-hour prayer and worship. They kneel down, they raise their hands, and they pray. They pray for the nations. They pray for America every day.

And then they get ready for school. They have a chapel service half an hour before they go to school. All right, so first they spend an hour in prayer. If they're old enough, they read the Bible also. Yes.

Okay.

So then after that, is that when they wash up, have breakfast? Yes. Wash up, breakfast, chapel time. What time is chapel? Quarter to eight till 8:15.

Okay, so they get up at 5, 5 to 6, spend an hour in prayer, worship, the word. Then they have time to get washed, get dressed, have breakfast. Then they have chapel. All right, and then school. Yeah, 15 minutes of worship, 15-minute message.

Even the older children are giving the messages now in the chapel time. And then they go to school from 9 till 3:30. All right, now, is this a public school? It's our school. But yes, it's open to the public.

We have over 700 students, and many of them are Hindus and Muslims from the community coming to our school. Is an overtly Christian school? Yes. Every morning they have assembly before school starts. They pray, they sing Christian songs, and they hear the gospel every day.

All right, so why do parents, Hindu and Muslim parents, send their kids to your school? Because of the quality of the education. What happens to these kids? They're getting saved, and they are going home and telling their Hindu Muslim parents about Jesus, and the teachers are getting saved also. Really?

Okay, so not all your teachers are saved. Children also, young, all of them are getting saved. Amazing. And you're seeing the same thing in the nursing school because the government just sends students, right? In other words, the government says, okay, we're sending you to this school or this school.

So you get lots of non-believing students coming to the college-level nursing school. Yes, from all over India, from very staunch Hindu states as well. Right. So they come in Hindu, they're going to a nursing school. What happens to them?

Well, it's not mandatory to come to church, but many of them do. They are. And they're getting saved and baptized. And it's a wonderful tool. Yeah.

Look, friends, I'm an eyewitness. I've been there 21 times since 1993, and God willing going back again in December. I'm an eyewitness to the reality of what they're talking about. Why not be part of this? Why not get involved and make an investment that's going to last for eternity?

$25 a month, you can sponsor a child. $50 a month you can sponsor a pastor and his family full-time in the tribal region. Go to LNC Ministries, as in Love and Care, lncministries.org. Click on sponsorships. O God of burning, cleansing flame.

Send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Welcome, friends, to the line of fire this July 4th, Independence Day. I wish you a blessed and happy. July 4th. Let us remember the freedom that Jesus has brought us into. Let us not be entangled with the yoke of bondage.

Michael Brown, coming your way live. We're not doing our normal, you've got questions, we've got answers, but we are doing a special interview with our dear friends from India, Yesu Padam and Monica. The folks that go over with them, that spend time in India, or that will come over with me and spend time in India, they are almost always blown away by the fruit that has come out of the ministry, by the amount of people's lives who are being touched. I've often said that the ministry that they have there, the lives they're touching there, that they're doing far more than many of our mega churches in America or a host of churches in a community. They're doing far more in terms of really reaching the poor, the needy, reaching all classes of people with the gospel, winning the loss, making disciples, planting churches.

To date, 6,000 churches planted in the tribal regions, and they actively oversee hundreds of those churches. Uh yesupon. When I began preaching The theme of Jesus Revolution, because you knew me some years before that, obviously, I was always preaching revival and. Radical commitment to the Lord. When the revolution theme started to rise in me, it was something that you really resonated with.

The leader of the children's ministry even wrote a song, kind of an army marching song, feel but about being Jesus revolutionaries. Does that theme Of Jesus Revolution still burn in you for India or for the nations? Yes. And that's one of the things that that brought me more closer to your heart. Your hearts burning for Jesus' revolution.

And your willingness. even to lay down your life in India. going through those dangerous situations and knives and uh People coming and pulling down the stage and sound system and uh the threat of killing and you standing there saying that I'm here for Jesus. That to me, my friend. That to me.

Yeah. Mm. And it's a privilege to stand together. And yeah, we are united by more than words, friends. We've had some.

Very, very intense experiences together overseas. And at times like that, when you realize that your life could be at risk and you make the decision you're going to preach and stand anyway, eternity becomes very real to you. Other things really don't matter, and you realize how much we get caught up with this world. Yes, upon him, a few years ago. When Evangelist Steve Hill was still with us, we had large meetings she put together in India, preaching to maybe 40,000 plus at night and 7,000 pastors in the daytime.

And then we had a youth meeting, so teenagers up to around 30, about 10,000 people there. And I brought a message there warning the Indians about Western ways, about American materialism and carnality. And you said that a police leader who was there was. Was surprised to hear this message coming from the West. Obviously, there's a lot of good that comes out from America, but what about.

The materialism greed, how are we also Hurting other cultures with what we export. It is happening. But the police officer came to us, he was very shocked. the honesty that uh with all the honesty you shared, uh what America negatively exporting also. He was shocked that an American will preach that.

Then I told him that's a Christianity and that's the difference between an a Christian and a non-Christian, the honest people and uh all that. But uh it is changing so much of that among the young people. Mm. How how so? You know, um Because of the culture, the change of culture and no, actually, I feel like Indians youth are going through the cultural ch the difference between the older generation and the newer generation because of what they see in televisions and it's uh it's also destroying the family relationships and uh united family systems.

And so there's so much like that happening right now. Yeah, in in fact your son in law Sampson told me that every week you're hearing about young people committing suicide be because they they're come from a tradi tradition of arranged marriages, but now young people are falling in love, the parents don't want them to be marrying, or they don't think they want to love the parents' blessing and they kill themselves. I mean, that's a real shocker. Right. That's very shocking right now.

They go to a lot of pressure with that because of the caste system. And uh yeah. Yeah, so friends, India is in a unique situation. Monica, how many years have you lived there now? 17 and a half.

17 and a half. Your perspective on what has changed for the good and for the bad. Just the summary version. Yeah, the nation has totally changed. And God gave me a scripture from Isaiah 60, the first verses.

Basically, the darkness will get darker, but the light will get lighter. And I have seen that with immorality and just so many changes spiritually. But I've also seen God changing the nation with the gospel.

So, when there's more darkness, there's more opportunities for the light to go in. And God has really used that to bring people to Himself. And what about the kids that go through, that are raised up in the children's home, starting as little children to go through? How are they doing with the changing culture in India? Are they standing strong in their faith?

Yes, because they're raised up with as. As world changers, and they're going out strong. They see miracles when they go back to their villages. People get healed and saved, and yes, they are. They are missionaries in India and in the nations now.

And Yesu Pottam, we're almost out of time in this hour, but you told me out of the hundreds and hundreds of kids that have gone through the children's home that there's an amazing percentage of them going forward in the Lord? It's a 4,000, at least 4,000 children gone through our children's home. Wherever they are now, they are like an evangelist and the missionaries. Amazing. Some of them are doctors, engineers, professors, but wherever they are, they are.

Amazing. Friends, our own ministry, as you know, we're stretched out. We're on the front lines going for it day and night. We are daily crying out to God for funds and provision. But I want to encourage you today to get behind a ministry on the front lines in India.

I mean, think of it. Sponsor kid $25 a month. Not only will they get food, clothing, and shelter, medical care, but they will get trained in the gospel. I mean, think of that. It's an extraordinary investment.

And then when you stand before God one day, or if you go over to India and get to meet some of the kids, when you stand before God one day and you see these smiling faces that you literally put through school. And provided for amazing. Or if you're in pastoral ministry, come on, churches, pick up some of these pastors on the field fifty dollars a month. Where else can you sponsor someone full-time with money like that? And they'll bear amazing fruit.

So go to the website LNC Ministries, that's in love and care, lncministries.org and click. Click on sponsorship. Get behind these kids, get behind these pastors. My bottom line today. It is Independence Day.

It's a time when we remember the American Revolution, but there's a higher, greater revolution, one that doesn't take life, but gives life. The Jesus Revolution. Are you in? In celebration of July 4th, I've got an amazing interview with amazing friends from three years ago, today. No.

It's time for The Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Stars and Stripes Forever. Yeah, it's Independence Day. It's July 4th. Michael Brown here on the line of fire, and we're live. Yeah, we're actually live.

I know everybody else is playing repeat broadcasts and things, but we're live. Why?

Because we have the opportunity to, and because we have a very special program today. It's one of my dearest friends in the world, Yesu Pottam and Monica from India. We've worked with Yesu Pottam since 1993. And in those days, there were no fax machines and obviously no intranet email and things like that. I remember we'd send a letter, send the letter out, and says, where is Vishakapanam?

What kind of place? Vishakapanam, Andhra Pradesh, these places I never heard of before. And then the letter would arrive, and we're all praised to the Lord.

Okay, they got the letter. How do we know they got the letter? Because weeks later, we'd get their letter. And we went out in some pretty wild places. And Nancy would go with me on those first few trips.

We were there. Oh, a month at a time, and really got to pour in together with our friends in India and then have become close friends, co-workers over the year. We just had a great hour together. I encourage you to go to my website later today, ask dr. Ben A.

Skdrbrown.org. Later today, click on latest audio in order to listen to the show or catch it tomorrow. If you don't subscribe, by podcast to the broadcast, and that's how you can catch up every day by going to the website because we talk some about Yesupatam's testimony and their calling and burden. And we've got a whole lot more to talk to you about in this hour.

Some things that'll inspire you that your life could make a difference. Listen, friends, When I say if God can use me, He could use anybody. Because he saved me his heroin shooting. I was using diesel gas, huffing, lost, proud, rebellious, 16-year-old hippie Jewish rock drummer. You say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine.

You were messed up, but come on, your dad was a lawyer, you had a good upbringing, and all this.

Well, that's not the case with the asipatum. Yesupadam was raised as an untouchable in India. Yesipotam was raised so that two or three days a week he wouldn't even have any food to eat. His life was such that he was too physically weak to work, so they, as he would have as a little child on, and sent to school as a boy, he was dying of malnutrition and collapsed on the road and was found by a Canadian missionary who brought him into a hospital where it took him some time to recover. And rather than getting a love for the missionary and Christianity, he got even more hatred for the caste system.

It was an alcoholic. Violent communist when Jesus saved him, and an atheist, if God can use Jesupodom. He can use you. Before I talk again, T.A. Supanam and Monica, I want you to hear the words of Paul Harvey speaking about this Independence Day, because on this day I think of how we need a radical Jesus revolution in America, not with violence or hatred, but with the power of the gospel.

Clip number eight: Paul Harvey. The names now so familiar to you from the several signatures on that Declaration of Independence. Yeah. knew the full meaning of that magnificent last paragraph in which his signature pledged his life. His fortune.

and his sacred honor. Fifty-six men knew when they signed. that they were risking everything. They knew if they won this fight, the best they could expect would be years of hardship in a struggling nation. And if they lost, They'd face a hangman's rope.

Those are the realities that our founding fathers lived by and were willing to die by, and some did. We'll talk about an even higher revolution when we don't take lives. one not based on violence and hatred. but on the love and power of the gospel. We'll be right back.

Getting to work. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Welcome back, friends, to this very special live July 4th. Line of Fire Broadcast, Michael Brown, joined by Yesupatam and Monica. They lead Love and Care Ministries in India to find out about the ministry, to sponsor a child or a pastor. Go to Love and Care Ministries, that is L N C ministries.org. I haven't even thought really of taking calls because I want to devote this time to my friends and their amazing stories.

Yes, upon them. I remember reading this in one of the books that was written about you. you you were you're married to a godly woman She was stricken with cancer. She died You were in the hospital room with her after she had been pronounced dead. God raised her from the dead.

She was with you a couple more years after that, before going to be with the Lord. And then the miraculous story of God joining you together with Monica, which is. As amazing as stories I've heard in terms of God bringing two people together. There's an account We're Podmila. Your first wife urged you from the life of Paul and from Acts the 24th chapter and the accusations against Paul, the negative things that were said about him.

She took that positively and spoke that to you. What were those words? What did people say about Paul? They meant it as an accusation, but she took it in a positive way. She asked me three questions that night.

She said, He's not our God. Is there um Wonder working our life. And didn't the Bible say that they made the cities upside down? I know m mostly talking from the life of Paul. Yeah.

and she looked at me and she said, I want you to be one among them. And I realized that night, next morning, she passed away, and I felt like she knows what was happening. at that time and may want to encourage me. was giving me A reason for the rest of my life and she compared Paul's life. And uh she said, Yeah, I want you to be like him.

In spite of what you go through. Live the life that he lived.

So, a holy troublemaker. Exactly.

So, even though you are a peacemaker, you're constantly reaching out to Hindu leaders and community leaders and others behind the scenes. You're constantly doing good. When people show you hatred, you show them good. Yet, the gospel brings upheaval, doesn't it? Exactly.

When you don't compromise, you have to confront. Confrontation is not a bad thing. But it's not an easy thing to go through. Yeah, and you have we've we've we've watched over the years, and I remember as now you would start at a second family now with Monica, and now you have little kids as they're well, well, they're ever little, I mean, they're amazing, amazing kids have just jumped out, growing, uh, but amazing kids. Uh, when you'd read the death threats to me, people saying, unless you back down, unless you stop preaching, we're going to do this to you and your wife and kids.

And you know, these people meant it, but you've never backed down. Never. We we did more, thinking that they may kill us. It was in January I received a letter, not this January, years ago, and uh they said before Good Friday. we will kill you.

And they also told us three different ways. They'll make it as an accident. They'll put the bomb in my house and blast it. And they'll pour the gasoline and burn us. That was with Monica and Benjamin and Bethany.

Then we realized that we have only a short time, and I asked Monica to go to Canada. It was hard for me to see Monica and the kids going through that. And I said, go to Canada, take the kids and go to Canada. I didn't tell her why initially. Then she started asking me why, why, why, why?

And then I said, finally, I got a letter that they want to kill us. And she said, I married you to live with you. And then we both realized that day that we have only three months to live. And within three months, we should do everything we can. And those three months were such a hectic month for going everywhere we can go, sharing the gospel and doing the meetings and crusades and pastors' conferences.

So that did not stop us. That really helped us to do more ministry by God's grace. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, I remember when you read the letter to me and we talked about it because we were having the open-air meetings and everything, and you publicly got up.

And proclaim we're moving forward. Monica. This is what you married into. Again, raised in Canada, then called to be a missionary in India. Then God shows you that Yesupanam, who's a widower, is going to be your husband.

Now, you didn't know, of course, that he's being counseled by other leaders that he should marry. And he's thinking, no, he'll just be single, just be single in the Lord. The other leaders are saying, hey, it's just better. This way, other women aren't thinking about you, looking at you, you don't want to marry and all of this.

So, Yeshupatam, you prayed a prayer.

Now, folks, you have to remember he's an Indian. He's not an American. He's not a Canadian. He's an Indian. He's not a European.

He's an Indian. So you put it back in God's hands. If God is going to give you a wife, what did you pray?

Well, I said, Lord, if you really want me to marry again, she must be white-skinned. Blonde hair. Blue eyes, she should come and ask me.

Okay, so now again, an American hears that and says, Okay, white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, and you know, so that's that's good here, America, Europe, and and she's going to ask me, Well, that could happen. When you pray that prayer, you're basically saying, Make it impossible. Make it impossible. I never thought that would happen. And I thought I was.

Shutting the door for my marriage because I've been going through pressure from the Christian leaders coming and asking me to marry again. They said, It's not good for you to be alone, and you have a lot of responsibilities, big ministry, you need someone, a helpmaid. And so I didn't want it. That's why I thought it's going to shut the door totally that I don't have to marry. All right.

So it would be like me praying if I was a widower. God, the woman has to have green skin, purple eyes, I don't know, pink hair, and whatever. She's got to ask me.

So, Monica, you. You are not. You're a committed woman. You're strong, but you are not one of these aggressive push your way to the front, push everybody out of the back. You're, you know, a very meek person, otherwise, and quiet.

How do you then come to tell Yesupa? This is culturally, you don't do this. How do you come to tell him you're supposed to be married?

Well, I had prayed for six years about my marriage, and I actually prayed a strange prayer. I said, God, arrange my marriage. Never heard of arranged marriages, but that's how I prayed. And I said, Lord, show me clearly who I should marry. And three weeks into my time in India in 97, God just burdened my heart for a yesupam.

I was praying for him for three days. And at a big crusade meeting, God spoke to me so clear, just still small voice, He's your husband. And we don't.

So you were just serving in the ministry. I was. And people come in constantly to serve there for a few months or for weeks or years.

So you were just one of those people. Yes, one of the people. I remember meeting you as one of those people. Yes. And when God spoke to me, this joy and peace came over me.

And then I just started praying, Lord, what do I do? Because we hadn't spoken many times in those first three weeks. And I just had prayed like, Lord. I want to know that I know that I know this is my husband.

So when God spoke that, I was like, Lord, what do I do? And the next day, God set us up. We had a flat tire in the middle of nowhere. He and I ended up on the side of the road, and I just knew God wanted me to tell him that he was my husband. And I would never do that.

I grew up, you don't do that. But I did it. I told him last night God spoke to me, You're my husband. And the look on his face was what?

Well, shock. And would you say it was more terror or more joy? Oh, no, more towards terror. He said later he was really shocked that God answered his impossible prayer.

So you're at that moment, you realize. White skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, and she just told me. Yes, I realized my prayer was answered, but I was actually disappointed. I felt like a shock and a fear because I set up my mind not to marry again. I announced it in the meetings because of the pressure I was getting from the ladies and somebody calling me, writing me letters.

God showed me that you are all right, you know, all that.

So I was trying to make it more impossible. For Things, you know, then it was shocking. But I'm glad I married the author. Oh, yeah. I st I still remember when you called, dancing me, and when you wanted input, and we were.

Just trying to pray and get wisdom because you know, we know these cross-cultural marriages, and of course, Monica, shortly before the wedding, just really made sure you know what you're asking for. But it's amazing to see how God's joined you together and how everything you've done, you couldn't have done without being a team these years and without your kids. We come back. I want to just ask some practical questions. I want to ask you some questions, Monica, because now you're coming in not just to India, but now you're marrying the leader of a ministry who also has two grown kids who are involved in ministry.

There are a lot of things that had to be overcome. And then, of course, God's called you to serve around the world. And I want to talk about Germany and Madagascar as well. To visit the website, it's Love and Care Ministries, L N C, it's in love and care, love and careministries.org. Click on sponsorships to get behind these kids.

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All right. There you go. It is Independence Day, July 4th, right here on the line of fire. Michael Brown coming away live with my wonderful dear friends, Yesu Pottam and Monica from India. Coming through the States.

They're in the States normally for a few weeks every summer.

So this is the time they were passing through North Carolina and close enough to do radio together. To stand with their ministry, go to Love and Care Ministries, LNC Ministries.org and click on sponsorship to get behind a child or a pastor on a monthly basis. Monica, so not only do you have the cross-cultural issues to deal with, a Canadian marrying an Indian, and then from the food to the overall culture, to the way men and women relate, to the living conditions, to the demands of a ministry, and being married to someone who has given himself unconditionally to the gospel by life or by death, that's just mindset for him, for the work. Workers there. You also have the fact that you're marrying into a family now where Yesupano has raised two children and his first wife is with the Lord now.

How And because you have folks coming into similar situations here, you know, all over America, all over the world. How were you received and how How was trust earned? Because you're a great family, all working together now for many years.

Well, I felt very uh Well, in general, well received. There were people who questioned it, who wondered if we really heard from God. But God had to prove himself, and he faithfully did that. And hi Yesubam's grown children are are my best friends. And daughter-in-law also, and son-in-law.

We're all very close, and we live three houses right on top and beside each other.

So it w works very well. Yeah, and you know what's fascinating with all the years we've been going, Yes, you paddle. I was talking to your oldest son, Sunil. And I guess it was Year before we started talking, realized that he's older now. Than I was the first time that I went over there.

So, I mean, we've been together a long time and just watched now Bethany and Benjamin grow up and the call of God on their lives.

So you have traveled together now to Germany, to America, as a family. Yes. So when you went to Germany, here you've got an established ministry in India. You're well known. You've got a lot of people that work with you.

You can basically snap your fingers and say, hey, we need this done, and people go. Do it. You're a major national, international leader. You go to Germany with a burden to help the church in Germany. Did they recognize who you were and kind of lay out the red carpet or think, here's some family from India?

Well, How what happened? Until you came to Germany and spoke in a church, I was nobody there. It was very. Uh difficult, hard, never accepted by most of the German leaders because they don't know who I am and uh and you didn't announce who you were. I didn't tell them who I am until somebody started coming to India, seeing the ministry and coming back and uh then Then shocked to see the ministry, Love and Care Ministries in India, and then so actually your visit to Germany made all the difference.

And they were like when you said you don't know whom God sent you, a man like me, and like that changed it. But now Now it is totally changing. They're recognizing who I am. That I'm sent by God. It's not just a poor Indian guy, but a man sent by God for reaching Germany with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

All right, so they basically thought: here's some Indian guy, poor Indian guy, married to a Westerner, got kids, so he's got some burden to help. Great. It's almost like, just to give you an example, think of one of the top Christian leaders in America, and they go over to Germany, and no one knows who they are, and they would like to get involved. They said, well, we got like a room that's on top of the bathroom. You could stay there with your family.

And if you want, you can come in, like, clean the building and, you know, give out programs when people come in on a Sunday morning. I mean, that's kind of what happened. Monica, the room that you were given, and again, folks thought they were being generous and helpful for you and Yashapon and your kids to stay in. What kind of facilities were they? Basically, it was one very small room where.

We ate and slept and everything in one little room. For like a day or two, you mean? No, for months. For months. And then you started to do outreach, and you'd go to a train station, a lot of homeless people and lost people.

What'd you do there? We went, we felt like God wanted us to feed the poor people in Germany. And we were told, oh, there's no poor people. But we went to the main train station in Bremen and saw hundreds of physically poor people, but spiritually poor people that hang out there every weekend. And we began giving out hot dogs to them in order to show the love of God and to share the gospel with them.

We started that in 2009. And now, I mean, the ministry's grown. The believers there caught on. Actually, they bought a place called Jesus' House. What happened, Yesopana?

It's amazing to see. You know, I want to change the thinking of the people there: that they don't belong to the street, they belong to your house, they belong to your family. They have a family.

So we prayed, and God provided us a house to use it free. Then they wanted to sell it. And somebody offered 90,000 euros for 160,000 euros of what. And they sold us for 40,000. God provided us money from Germany to pay for it debt-free.

And we bring all the people from the train station every Thursday. Between 30 to 50 people come. We give them a hot meal and share the gospel, do the worship together, started Bible study now. Many of them from the streets are, I mean, talk about the transformation. Change your lives and transform lives.

They look clean and they take a bath and they give their hearts to. The Lord, and now we actually try praying to train them, disciple them. The people who used to be in the line for the hard dogs are now giving the hard dogs. Wow. Distributing, they feel they are useful and they are involving the cooking the food and just cleaning the Jesus house.

And it's a four-storied building, and the Lord blessed us with that. But amazing thing happened this past year. Actually, in May, we heard about a huge facility, like five acres of land with five buildings in that for sale. And we approached them and they said, We can sell it, we can also donate it for the same organization who will continue the work. I said, No, we went and met with them, and we talked to them.

And there were other organizations that are interested in that property, well-known churches and organizations in Germany. They're all Germans, but I'm an Indian, and you know, like, who am I? Like, so, and finally, we heard from them in August last year, they decided to give it to us. And I asked them this year when we were in Germany, what made you to decide to give it to us? And they said, all the the other people, they have a lot of money, but they won't they have no vision.

And we have no money, but we have the vision. Massive. And look, friends, we got to take a break. But here they went and did the same thing in Germany they've done in India. They started to feed the poor and reach out to the lost and the needy, and lives are being transformed.

Something really interesting happened when I was in Germany with them. Tell you about that in a moment. Yeah. Can't do it. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr.

Michael Brown.

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Welcome, friends, to the line of fire. I was about to give out the number, but I'm not going to, even though we're live on this July 4th, Independence Day. We are devoting this Friday, not to you've got questions, we've got answers, but to a special interview with my friends Yesu Ponum and Monica coming through North Carolina, Greater Charlotte area.

So we're able to sit down in the studio together and come your way live. If you want to find out more about their ministry, maybe you're a web designer, maybe you're a graphic artist and you want to help put some money into their website. A lot of money goes through the ministry. It goes right out. It goes immediately right back out to feed the poor, to sponsor orphans, to plant new churches.

I work with them every year. I know that firsthand.

So the ministry is Love and Care Ministries, LNC Ministries.org. Click on donate or click on sponsor to get behind the work and ministry there.

So, Yesu Ponham, some years back, I was invited to go over and preach in the church in Germany that you were working with. You go there a couple months out of the year and serve together. And I thought that they knew that you would come in as a recognized national leader in India. I believe you preach to meetings with over a million people at a single gathering in India, special national meetings, and you draw pastors and leaders together. When we did the pastors' meetings, when Steve Hill and I were there together, we had 7,000 pastors and leaders every day at the meetings.

I just assumed that they knew who you were and been working with you. And when we went to do the outreach, you were so excited that you want me to come along on a Saturday.

So I preached on a Friday night.

Now it's Saturday. And we're going to go to the train station for this outreach that you're helping with and that you've birthed in the church and cooking hot dogs and giving them out to homeless and others that gather at the train station. And we we drive up and you get out of the car. Remember you you you took the open the trunk, you're all excited, like little kids, you know, on your way to something. Open the trunk and think, wait, wait, wait.

You you bought the hot dogs. You bought the hot the bunch. You've got your little cart to you're you're doing it. As like church volunteers that don't have a ministry, so here's something you could do. Otherwise, the church had no clue.

Who you were in terms of the ministry God's given you and how He's raised you up, it would almost be like, again, just to give a cultural comparison. You know, Billy Graham's preaching all over the world and you don't know it, and he's now in your church. You say, Oh, yeah, we can give you something to do. You know, um, you know, our team doing outreach after outreach, they need someone to help clean up. If you can help, great, go ahead and do it.

Uh, so I got up and spoke to the church plainly, let them know about the ministry there. And then they came over to Germany and from Germany, the Indians saw it firsthand. But honestly, what meant the world to me is I don't know any of us from America who would go and do that. Who would not announce who we were in terms of, hey, you know, we can help you, but on a strategic leadership level or set up meetings and we can preach to the churches, you just went in and served. That says more to me about apostolic ministry than having all kinds of titles and accolades.

Was that a hard thing for you to do? Or to you, was that simply the Jesus way? No, that was I felt like that was the Jesus way. You know, He is God Himself. He humbled Himself, came down.

You know, but physically sometimes it is harder. When we wanted some encouragement from the pastors, they are like, Who are you? You know, it's that was. I had no encouragement from the leaders, Christian leaders, and even the pastors in Germany because they don't believe. Even now, the gospel works.

Explain that. It's a big statement. Explain. We'll have to continue after the break. But you're saying they don't believe the gospel works?

What does that mean?

Yeah, because, you know, many churches are like very religion. I mean, it's like a c culture. And many churches don't preach the gospel. The Lutheran church is the straight church. Its pastors are appointed by the government.

Government pays for them. Many of them don't know Jesus. They know the knowledge and they even speak politics in the churches because it's a Lutheran church. Got it. All right.

The gospel works wherever you are, whatever culture, whatever your situation. I want to talk a little bit more about Germany, America, and then an amazing thing happening in the country of Madagascar. Stay with us. Age the world. God of light, hear our cry.

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America! The voice of Ray Charles singing America the beautiful. As an American, I see so much in my country that I love and so much in my country that I grieve over on this Independence Day, July 4th, as we come your way live with my friend Yesu Padam from India, his wife Monica. We've had the joy of serving together many years now on the front lines in India and some other nations as well. Yesupatam, as you look at America, you said in the first hour that God's used America to bring the gospel to the world and that you have hope for America's future.

You believe the tide can turn. Speak honestly to Christians, American Christians who are listening now, pastors who are listening now. Don't worry about hurting our feelings if you want to say something that seems strong or if you just want to encourage, but whatever's on your heart, speak to us on this Independence Day here in America. God is eternal. His plan is eternal.

His purposes are eternal. Things may change from time to time, but we have an unchanging God. the very purpose God brought in this nation. into existence is for his purposes. Either we understand or we don't understand the Anybody, you know, there may be some who don't even understand, but the truth of the fact of the truth is that God brought this nation into existence for the sake of the gospel.

That's why God blessed it, God made it at a superpower so that the gospel will go from this nation to many nations around the world. I'm so thankful the way God used all these years. And I would not be doing what I'm doing around the world without this nation and the Christians standing without me. But at the same time, it breaks my heart and brings tears to my eyes to see how the Christians and the church is doing nowadays. And there's a lot of lukewarm Christianity, compromising Christianity.

You know, not really looking for the things of God. Many times, you know, we are looking for our own things rather than the things of God. As Paul said, let us not live for ourselves. Let us live for Jesus who died and rose again for us. And instead of That many times.

I watch the Christians even some of the pastors, you know, very casual. In a lukewarm situation, and I don't know honestly how many once they were willing to lay down their lives for the sake of the gospel now are thinking of doing that. But I want to encourage the church and the Christians and the pastors today. Friends, if you don't understand that that responsibility which God has given to this nation, the rest of the world is going to end in damnation. They need to hear the gospel and they need to know who Jesus is.

They need to hear the name of Jesus who is the Savior, Redeemer, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords, the Lamb of God that came to take it away the sins of the whole world. There's people out there who never heard that name. And I'm challenged by when I read a book, The Challenge of the Missions, when half of the world has never heard the name of Jesus, he said, What right do we have to hear the name of Jesus twice? And I'm so challenged by that comment by in the challenge of the missions.

So that's why I feel. You know, we hear, we preach week after week, and here week after week, but how many times are we really thinking of the people who never heard the gospel even once in their lives?

So it's my heart's cry and prayer for the nation of America that they will hear the cry in the heart of God. That they will understand the very purpose the nation has been brought into existence, and they will get that vision. For the nation and run with that. And I was challenged actually recently by Habakkuk chapter 2, verse 2: write down the vision so that the people who would run can read it and run with that. I think it's time for the church in the U.S.

to understand the vision, write it clear on your heart, and run with that to proclaim the gospel. We see in America. An ongoing moral decline, what we often describe now as sexual anarchy. In fact, the majority of American Mothers today say in their 20s they're not married. Most of their babies are being born out of wedlock.

We see the rise of homosexual activism and talk about redefining marriage throughout America so that two men or two women could, quote, marry. There are even calls for polygamy and things. And we see so much upheaval, so little fear of God, so little recognition of the truth of Scripture from so many people in the culture, the gospel being mocked. Do you think it's too late for America? It's never too late for God.

God's desire, He wants to bring it back. I'm disappointed what's happening, but I have a great hope for this nation because God's plan is eternal. His purposes are eternal, and he will never change. God wants to bring back, He will bring back America to His fold. America will be a great blessing to the nations of the world, and it is going to.

God is going to touch this nation again. There will be, there will be, there has to be great flame of fire from heaven has to fall on this nation again. This nation is the only hope for the nations of the world to reach them with the gospel of Jesus Christ because God ordained that for this nation. Friends, take that to heart and Jesus Pottama is not just speaking empty words to give you a pep talk. That's not who he is.

That's not what he would do. I know him that well. He's never done that with me personally either. Um.

Some years ago I met a young man in Korea. It's nineteen ninety. And I want to encourage you that whoever you are, come on. God can use you. Trust me.

If you knew Monica before God called her to India and married Yesu Pottam, you would not have realized the potential, the capability, the gifts that God's given her and the impact that she would have on so many thousands of lives. If you saw Yesu Pottam either as an untouchable child dying on the side of the road or as a radical, atheist, violent, communist, alcoholic, you wouldn't have thought that he'd be the world changer that he is in the Lord. I want to give you one more example and then talk to you about how it's been played out in another country, Madagascar. I was speaking careers my first time. They had me do 25 meetings in a week.

I was going day and night. A guy comes up to me. He's just not well dressed. I don't mean he's not in suit and tie. I mean it just is, it doesn't look like he's got much going for him in the natural.

He's missing a hand. He had lost a hand in an injury.

So he's just got a stump at the end of his wrist. And it was right before he came to faith that that happened. Happened. He doesn't speak much English, and he says, wants me to pray for him because he thinks God wants to use him as a missionary to India. And I thought, oh, yeah, right, sure.

You know, I mean, you never know what God's going to do. I was just looking in the natural outwardly. Of course, not only does God send him to India, but God so gifts him in learning the language Telugu as a Korean that he puts out Telugu praise and worship CDs and tapes and actually teaches other Koreans and they put these tapes out. He goes back to Korea, helps raise money for ministry in India. He's a spiritual pioneer.

He's a giant in the faith. Monica, he then gets called to Madagascar. Where is Madagascar? Yeah, it's not just a movie. It's on the east coast of Africa.

And uh it's one of the largest islands in the world, fourth largest and uh uh eleventh poorest country in the world. And so it's off the coast of South Africa, Zimbabwe, across from Zimbabwe.

Okay.

Mm-hmm. And so the people look like Africans or they're African-Indonesian mix actually. Interesting.

So he gets called over there. He's married to a Korean woman. Yes. All right. So he's what language do they speak there?

Malagasy and French.

Okay, so he does those are no it's not Tel so it's not Korean his first language, it's not English, it's not Telugu which she's learned. She's got to learn new languages. What's happened now?

Well, three and a half years ago he went there. And it's amazing what God's doing. We can't even actually keep up with what God is doing there. They've planted many churches, a big church and a university with over 500 members now. We actually built a church in a prison last year.

In a prison. In a prison. The most dilapidated prison we've ever seen. And God helped us to build the church there in three months. We dedicated it in December.

And they started a school with 80 children a year ago. And now they have 180 children. And they're ready to go up to 300 children. And they're planting schools, planted an orphanage. It's amazing what's happening.

And then they did some big rallies. Yes, Padam, you spoke at one. How many folks were there? There were last yes last year when we were there, 8,000 people. Sitting capacity is 8,000.

There are standing people there. And I did a lot of crusades there. And the prison thing I I want to tell you that. All right, tell you what. Other side of the break, we'll come back.

Listen, friends, th this is not stories. These these are not myths. This th this is God using people who say, Here I am, send me these. Why not you? Why not you?

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Can I speak to you from my heart for a moment? and then encourage your heart more with amazing testimonies from around the world. When God laid it on my heart, To go on live daily radio, it meant the complete upheaval of my entire life. It meant that everything I did with traveling, ministry, everything I did with writing, everything I did with daily commitments. Teaching, everything would now be turned topsy-turvy, but I knew that I knew it was the calling of God.

God had burned it in my heart for years before then, and it burned in my heart that there will be a gospel-based moral and cultural revolution in America, that there will be another awakening, and that by God's grace, I would be right in the thick of it. And one way that I would be right in the thick of it would be doing live talk, radio, and coming to you every day as your listener-sponsored voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. It blesses me that on a regular basis, people tell me how they get courage listening to the broadcast, how they now have hope listening to the broadcast. And we pull no punches. We talk about the realities in our society.

We talk about the problems. We talk about the depth of issues. We talk about things that would be very discouraging, but God, but God is going to rise up in the midst of this. Pray with us, partner with us. Together, we are making a difference.

And my studio right now, three of us sitting here on this side of the window, or this side of the the glass pane, in my studio here, all three examples, Yesupadam, Monica, and I, all three examples. Examples of how God can use anybody to accomplish his purposes. We're talking about a Korean brother, Cho, and how God has used him so mightily. Yes, upon him, I remember being in Korea with you. We did meetings together there.

I remember you coming to meet me at the airport. It was freezing cold. You had this giant winter coat. I thought an Indian in freezing cold Korean weather in the snow. But as you were preaching in English here and there, you were passionate and going strong here and there.

As an American native speaker of English, I missed a word here and there. And Cho, for whom English is a second or third language, and he's not translated into Korean, and he's got to hold the mic a certain way because he only has one hand to do it. And he's not missing a beat. He's powerfully preaching. I thought this is, look at how God's raised him up, the authority with which he ministered.

So here he is in Madagascar now, and he gets a burden to do something in a prison. How does that happen? Happened. He went there three and a half years ago. God laid that nation in his heart.

He started talking to me and he started love and care ministries there. And he started inviting me. And last year, when we were there, we were given a permission to go to a high-security prison with 1,000 inmates. There are youth, women with small babies, prisoners, and a man. They have a different same campus, but the different location, the different buildings.

So when we went there, we shared the gospel and uh I asked the people, How many of you want I share my testimony and what Jesus has done, who Jesus is, and then around 800 hands raised. It's shocking to all of us. These are the criminals spending their lifetime, maybe there. And 800 of them, and the prison authorities gave us a piece of paper and giving us a land inside the prison to build a church. We not only distributed Bibles there, we distributed actually to all 800 of them, but plus every day 3,000 Bibles there.

And they gave us a permission to build the church. We laid a foundation stone on the 4th of September.

So, actually, to put a physical church building in the prison. In the prison, the beautiful, good-looking church, in the worst-looking prison there. We laid the foundation on the 4th of September and we finished the church on the 12th of December. Huge church. The prisoners helped us to build the church.

They made the bricks inside. They built the church. And every Sunday they have the service and the Bible study and they are doing everything. They said that's the first church in the nation inside the prison. They also gave me a permission to be on live on the national radio station to preach the gospel to the nation.

That was an amazing opportunity God gave us. God gave us that. Yeah, I mean, who would think of doing these things? And think of God. Who would think, you know, God says, okay, use this one here, untouchable alcoholic atheist over here.

Okay, just mild-mannered gal from Canada, Germany. Just okay, bring her over. And you put them to okay, missing a hand, Korean guy doesn't have big backing business people.

Okay, I'm going to use him to be a pioneer here, drug-abusing, lost, rebellious teenage Jewish rock. We're going to use him. God is amazing. God is amazing. And Yeshupalam.

You look at massive needs around the world. For every person you feed, there's someone else, or five or ten, that are still hungry. You go to India, the sick are still there, and the lepers, and the blind, and now with government shift, you know, a more militant Hindu government. As you look ahead, What dominates your heart? Is it hope or is it fear?

Definitely hope. We are called for victory and we live for the eternity. I know it's hard sometimes, but I would never let the The discouragement and disappointment take hold of my life.

So it could. And we get the emails, Monica. You've been pretty sick a few times. What kind of fever? A dengue fever.

Yes. So that's served up, especially there in India. Yes. And you're dealing with, you know, one of the wives, the wife of one of the pastors gets bit by a cobra. Should have died.

I met her, saw the picture of the cobra, the scars, all this. This is daily life there. And you've had people martyred on the field and beaten. And what about the church planters? Are they discouraged?

In January, February, March, three months, we built nine churches. Right now, three churches are under construction. That never stops. You know, we don't live. For that This world, or the if circumstances or what we go through stops us to do what God called us to do.

I mean, why gospel then? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we are called to overcomers. We should overcome everything that we go through and accomplish God's purpose for our lives. Yeah, friends.

Go to the website, Love and Care Ministries, lncministries.org. Maybe you're a web designer. Maybe you're a graphic designer. You say, well, I could really, I could really help because the money that they get does not go into the website. It goes into people.

It goes into people. And others who say, well, that's not me. But can you help a kid? Sponsor a child? Think of it.

Listen, for $25 a month, they get... Room? Board. They get Food, well, not room. They all sleep together in big rooms, but they get food, they get clothing, they get shelter, they get medical care, and Christian education.

Or $50 a month, full-time past year. At least do this for me. Go to the website.

Okay? LNC Ministries, LovingCare Ministries.org. Go to the website.

I don't get some commission for each kid they get. I get a heavenly commission on this.

Okay? Click on the pictures of the kids. Click on the pictures of the pastors. $50 a month. Support them full-time.

Come on. Together we are making A difference, friends, and that's why we're on the radio coming away. It's time for a sweeping moral, cultural, gospel-based awakening and revolution here in America. My bottom line today: our God is not a God of discouragement, fear, or despair, He's a God of hope, and therefore, as we walk with Him, He wants to fill us with. Hange the world.