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I'm John Galantis, my good buddy right here. What happened? I thought I was doing something wrong. I was like, what are you trying to tell me? Nah, just with my hand.
We never touch. I was like, what's wrong? Is everything okay? Welcome to the Clearview Today show. We're here in the studio with our host, Dr. Abidan Shah. Dr. Shah, welcome to the show. It's good to be here. If I could reach Go Go Gadget, I'd pat you on the shoulder.
Go Go Gadget arms. For those of you guys joining us for the very first time today, Dr. Shah is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, I got to tell you something, my friend. World War III has broken out in my house over a Chase Paw Patrol toy in his truck. So I don't know if you knew this, but the toy that you got, Gavin.
Oh, got you. It shoots. It shoots like a little missile. Yeah, I saw that. You kept shooting him in the face. Forehead, right? Now Gavin's doing it to Holden.
Nice. I don't know how his aim is so good. He's like, Holden, come here. Come look. Come look. And Holden's like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Gavin hit him right in the forehead. So now it's funny because Holden, at first he didn't like it, but now he kind of likes it, but he can't get it to work.
And so now he thinks, so let me back up. We were over at Dr. Shah's house a couple weeks back, and Gavin, my oldest son, is a real picky eater. Very picky. Hates burgers.
I don't know why. Which is crazy. Which is crazy.
That's crazy for a kid. He will eat steak. He will eat prime rib. He will eat pork chops. That's wild. Loves them.
Loves it. Won't eat hamburger. Ground beef. I guess then maybe the bread.
I don't know what it is. No, ground beef. He won't even eat it. Maybe the texture of the ground beef versus actually biting into meat. Meat, meat, like steak and pork chops. He loves them. That's so backwards for a kid.
So every battle with burgers and meat has been a challenge. And so Dr. Shah, we were over at the house, and Dr. Shah said, hey, if you eat that burger, I'll buy you a toy. And something galvanized him. He was like, I will do it. And he did. He went all in.
I mean, he kept eating and I was like, wow, he kept eating the whole thing. He did. Do you like it? Yes?
And he does now. Guess what? One of the burgers that we took home, he ate last night for dinner. Really? Loved it. That's crazy.
Loved it. Because like before, we were just like, all right, we made him eat it. Somehow Dr. Shah made him like the burger.
So that challenge is over. He likes burgers now. But so anyway, Dr. Shah was like, all right, I said I was going to get him a toy. He got him like a Paw Patrol chase. Well, it was not quite that simple. From there on, there on, he did not let me forget.
Same evening. He's like, so the toy? Yeah. Where's the toy? You're going to give me the toy? I was like, I don't know what toy do you like? And then he told me the toy. I was like, OK, you got to wait for it.
It's going to come. And then the next day, I think it was Saturday evening after church ended. He quickly made his way and stood right in front of me. Hands behind his back. I was like, hey, buddy, do you have the toy? And then all of a sudden, I think Ellie came over or you came was like, hey, listen, you shouldn't be doing that. You should be asking him for the toy. Right.
That was Ellie that day. Yeah. And Sunday morning, you told him, do not ask Dr. Shah about the toy. Because we were going, yes, we were about to walk out and he was getting hyped up because he knew when you leave, we're going to pass Dr. Shah. We're going to have a chance to talk.
So I said, look here. I said, do not, I said, do not bring it up to him. He's going to get you the toy.
He's a man of his word. He's going to get it for you. If you bring it up to him, I will see to it that you don't get it. So then he comes and stands over there and I'm like talking to somebody else. I said, this young man, he ate his burger and I promised him a toy.
The toy is coming in real wide. He was like, oh, he looked at me. He's like, I didn't I didn't bring it up. So then Dr. Shah brought the toy. Gavin fell in love with it. He's been playing with it ever since.
So fast forward to the problem we're having today. Holden thinks now is his younger brother. Yes, that's my second son. Holden thinks now we have a toy.
They share a lot of toys. But this one, Gavin, Gavin has a good understanding of I earned this. I worked hard.
I did this. This is special to me. There will be there will probably be a long day from now before he throws that toy away. He's going to keep it because it's some toys are really special. So he's like, no, Holden, that's mine. And then Holden is the type where it's like, OK, I could have any toy in this house, but now I want that. That's the one I want. So that one just so that one is not being played with because they got taken. Oh, they put that one up until they learn how to not fight over it because Holden will take it. Oh, that is crazy. Gavin was goading him because he was like, come here and look.
He was shooting the missile right into his brother's forehead. So I guess the moral of the story is always eat your burgers. Always eat your burgers.
You might get a toy. But I'm actually really grateful because I dreaded having burgers at the house. Really? Yes. Because of the kid.
Because of the kid. Yes. I dreaded having burgers because every time it was going to be I know it's going to be a fight. Yeah. Now he now he likes them.
He likes burgers now. So my my my gratitude to Dr. Shaw. Today's check in is coming to us from Chad R. Doesn't specify where he's from, but this may be why. Hey, guys, I saw your show on Pray and thought I'd text in. Very cool. Thank you.
Very cool. Thank you, Chad. I'm still new to the faith, trying to grow, but I got to be honest, I'm struggling. I've been praying about some big things and it just feels like God isn't answering. It always feels like I'm talking to the ceiling.
Am I doing something wrong or is this just how it is sometimes? Would really love some wisdom on this. Thanks, Chad R. The whole unanswered prayers.
What was the joke? You always say the theologian. Thank God for unanswered prayers. Does God not answer prayers or is it just that the answer is no or not right now?
I would say that. Yeah, I don't think God sits back and says, I'm not going to answer your prayers. I think it's more sometimes God wants us to be patient. Sometimes God wants us to learn and grow. Sometimes God wants us to rethink what we're asking for. That's also part of prayer is as we're praying, our prayers begin to change and we we begin to align them more with God's will than our will.
Not my will, but yours be done. That's what is part of prayer. I remember when I was new to the faith, I got saved at 15. I know you guys have been saved a long time and in church for a long time.
I was very new to it when I was a teenager. And I remember hearing people saying, God told me to do this. God instructed me, God laid this on my heart. And I remember genuinely thinking they heard God say it. Whether they heard in their head like telepathy or whatever, it wasn't ever like this is a feeling or like I really thought God said, hey, go and do this.
Go plant a church, go whatever. And so I remember as a teenager getting 15, 16, 17, starting to really pray and hearing like not physically hearing things, being frustrated. I remember and I don't know if maybe that's what this guy's what Chad is saying, because he says he's new to the faith, too.
But it does. It felt like to me, a lot of times I was just talking to air and nobody was like, you're making some kind of mistake. I felt that way before. Like, you know, I've had people coming out of my life and they've said things like that. Like, God told me to do this or I heard God say such and such and such. And there was a time where I was like, am I doing something wrong? Am I praying incorrectly? Because I'm not I'm not getting that.
This is something I don't think I've ever asked you this, Dr. Shaw, but but I'm noticing now I never really hear you make claims like that. Like God told me to do this. God said this to me. You typically phrase it different. You say, you know, I feel like God is laying on my heart or God has led me here. Do you do that on purpose or is that just not in your vernacular? No, I do that on purpose. Not to say God told me to do it.
Right. Because, you know, even when I'm preaching, I'm preaching the word of God. But what I'm preaching is not the word of God. So I am expositing the word of God. I'm explaining people. I have a certain, you know, how do I say this?
I have certain things that are really important to me. I have a certain burden, but I will never say that is the word of God. That is God's word for us. I have to be careful because I can be wrong.
In fact, I am wrong. So I have to make sure there is a distinction made between God's word and how I'm explaining or preaching God's word. Are there pastors or are there, I don't know what the right word I'm searching for is, not denominations, but sort of offshoots of Christianity that would hold that up and say, as the pastor is preaching, this then becomes God's word. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, of course, I mean, look at Roman Catholic Church in the ex cathedra. You know, as the pope speaks, he's speaking on behalf of Christ, speaking on behalf of God. You know, definitely we don't believe that. But then there are also preachers and teachers in pulpits who will say that, you know, God told me, let me tell you something, God's telling me right now. And I think that's walking on some very, very dangerous ground. That's just what I was about to ask you. Do you think there's a level of deception to that, to where it's like if I came in and said, hey, guys, here's here's the future of our church.
Here's exactly what we're going to do, because God told me to do it. It's like you can't really argue. You can't. Yeah, how do you dispute that? Yeah, you can't like you can't really question it. You can't say, OK, where did you come to?
God told me. Right, right. And I think that's almost putting these feelings or these intuitions on the same level as biblical scriptures. Yeah. And I don't think we should do that. Yeah, because you still lead with authority. Right.
I would say you are probably the most authoritative leader I've ever followed. But you don't say stuff like that. You still use language like I feel like God is leading us here.
Right, right. And somehow, and maybe you can kind of shed some light on this, somehow that doesn't soften the message. Right, it shouldn't, because doctrine and theology coming from scripture is the main thing. Like I preached on the wrath of God. So wrath of God is something that is biblical. Paul talks about it. Old Testament talks about it. The Orge, the Tummas of God, the Op of God in the Old Testament, the Korun of God. All these are biblical truths and words coming from scripture. And so, yes, I can authoritatively talk about them and explain to the people what they mean. Application, how do you apply the message of the wrath of God?
I can say something like that I did this past weekend. You know, we're always wondering why is God angry? And then I gave the illustration of how somebody broke into this box that was my phone case and took it, stole it.
And it made me very angry. But then I used as an illustration to explain that every day we steal from God. We steal air, we steal water, we steal land, we steal his blessings.
Of course, God has given it to us. But in the process, he wants us to acknowledge him. He knows we have a problem called sin, but he wants us to receive his son, Jesus. So when people deny that and they deny God and they reject and refuse his son, Jesus Christ, now God says, my anger is on you. Are you stealing from God?
Are you stealing from God? But that's application. Application is important and it is coming from doctrine, but it's not on the same level.
It's not on the same level. Doctrine is doctrine. Application is application.
So I make sure I preach the word, the doctrine, as authoritatively as possible. But the application point, of course, somebody would have said, hey, I have a better example. OK, let's hear that.
OK, guys, you know what? We're going to use that example. That's better.
Because example application in many places is just me. So I make that distinction. I hope that makes sense. Yeah, it does. I keep that distinction.
Yes, I think, absolutely. And I think even going back to what Chad is talking about, like praying and not hearing God, I think a lot of it is that expectation that people have put on us that God said this to me and I'm going forward with full confidence in knowing that that's the word of God. This idea that I've got is God inspired. And that's just not biblical and it's not real. Yeah. I think maybe you can speak to this too, Dr. Shaw, is that no matter how mature you get in the faith, you still may wrestle with that from time to time saying like, God, it feels like I'm expecting you to answer my prayer this way, but you've got another way. And so maybe that frustration or that confusion isn't doubt, it's just learning to reorient myself.
I don't know if that makes sense. Oh, yes. We know the Bible talks about church, church being the bride of Christ, church being the body of Christ. Church, he says, the gates of hell itself themselves will not prevail against the church. Right, right.
The church will remain. All right, so this is a doctrine I can preach on authoritatively. But then when it comes to saying, hey, God is calling us to expand our building.
Right. God is calling us to open another campus. God is calling us to take up an offering so that we can do this at our church or start this ministry or that ministry at church. I have to be careful.
Yeah. Church being the body of Christ, the bride of Christ, the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. Yes, but is God truly telling me that I that we need to drop all our money into the offering plate tonight and do this and that?
I should be careful how I call people to follow on that. Yeah, that's a good point. I can say something like, hey, guys, one of the needs we have at our church is for a small gymnasium. This is not a place where we're going to have big tournaments, but this is a place where the youth can come together on a Sunday night and have a great time. Or this is a place where the Awana game time can be held. This is a place where our Sunday morning blaze children's ministry can have a big lesson time and worship time.
This would be a great facility. And I want to really consider doing that because I think as God is blessing us, we need to head in this direction. So there's a sense of there's a sense of you are trying to convince the people of your church or the people who are along with you on this journey. How do you think that works in other churches? So, like, take a big generic mega pastor who does speak like that.
Right. God is telling me we're going to have a gym here at this church. That's what he's telling me behind the scenes.
Is he is he talking that way to the people who are going to be writing the checks and make that or was he saying, hey, guys, I think this is is he speaking like what you said in private? And then boldly, like authoritatively, God is telling us to do this to the congregation. If they are successful pastors, then they are successful for a reason. No one can be a a dynamic personality driven church or movement. And everybody just like, you know, dumb sheep just follow that person. And the ministry is just growing by leaps and bounds.
That can happen to some extent. Like, think about the who was that that guy who convinced everybody to drink that Kool-Aid. Oh, Jim Jones.
Jim Jones. Yeah, I mean, you can have ministries like that. I don't even call that a ministry. I call that a horrible cult. Right. Oh, yeah. Where people follow that personality.
It's a cult of personality and they just do whatever they tell them to. But what happened to it? How did they end? Tragically. Tragically is over. It's over. Terrible. David Koresh, a very strong, dynamic personality. How did it end? In a blazing inferno.
Yeah, it was terrible. But others who have that kind of a way of talking, I think behind the scenes is more people are agreed. Their key leaders are agreed that, hey, this is what we need to do. This is the next phase. And our leader feels like this is important and we feel like this is important. Let's move forward with this and let's tell the people God is late on your heart. They trust you.
They want to follow you. Let's do this. I feel like that's not the best way.
Because you don't do that. No. You pretty much come out and talk to the congregation like, hey, you know, I feel that God is laying this on our heart. This is our vision. Our.
Our vision. And you still do say this is the direction we're going to go. But there's much more like I want you guys to buy into this rather than here's where I'm going, feel free to follow or not. No, it's more of a you better follow. Yeah.
You know, that's what some of these pastors. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.
Yeah. But then there's the other extreme that I also want us to avoid. The other extreme is like this. People will just come together and they will vote. And until we get a 100 percent agreement on this, we will not move forward.
Have you ever have you ever seen really all the time. Bottom line. That means we will not move forward. Right. All the time it happens. That's that's the mentality of most small to maybe medium sized churches. Huh. Was your dad's church like that or not? No. Your dad's church was more like like ours now?
More like. Of course. Yeah. People did come together and vote and stuff like that. But they did not sit there until all the votes were positives and everybody was sold into this. And then now we're going to together everybody move forward. So here you have people who are really making sure that the vision or the great commission is carried out. And then you have a person over there who barely drops a quarter in the offering plate, if that. But they also have a vote and we're going to listen to them.
No, it doesn't work like that. That's one of the things that's been so refreshing to me about your leadership and about being at church here at Clearview is that I've been part of churches like that. And just things get stalled in meetings, things just kind of spin their wheels forever and ever.
And no decision is ever reached. And the church stagnates as a result. I've been. Yeah, I've been part of churches like that, too.
I was too young at the time to know, but to know that that was what was going on, because like I was in the student ministry. You know, I'm not sitting on any of those, quote unquote, boards or decision committees or whatever. But there was a sense of nothing's happening. Right. I'm waiting for something to happen. We're talking that this is going to happen. This this building or this project or this program or this whatever, this creative thing is going to happen.
And it's just not. And a year goes by and the two years. But people are still talking about it.
It's not like it was like because we've started projects and then just forgotten them. But this is like, hey, guys, this is coming. Everybody get excited.
But I expect you to be excited for three, four, five, six years. Right. And nothing is happening.
I guess it's because everybody's waiting. And that is the negative extreme. That's the opposite extreme. Either you have this despot over here or dictator who does whatever he wants to and nobody really knows what's happening. Or you have the one a little bit step over who is still very dictatorial in their presentation.
But behind the scenes, there is collaboration and there is a buy in that's happening among the main leaders. Then you have the other extreme. We're still not in the middle. Right.
What I have tried to do here at Clearview is help people be in the middle, because I think the middle way is usually the best way. Right. If you want to get the masses. Right.
Hope that makes sense. If you want to have the masses, usually the middle way is the best way. But on the other extreme, you have this completely congregational type thing where we're going to deliberate and we're going to sit on this.
And we're going to everybody gets to decide. And that's a good way to sabotage anything good. Do you find that the bigger a church gets, the harder that becomes? Because like if there's a congregation of like 15 people, like, yeah, that's probably going to happen. But like if that church grows to 100 or 200 or 300.
I think as a wrong statement, I would say the reason the church grew is because they stopped doing that. Got you. Got you. So it's not going to grow if that's happening.
If that keeps happening, you cannot grow. Got you. But I have one step over where instead of everybody in the congregation deciding, you have the few chosen ones, the elders who come together. And they are the ones who are like insulating the pastor. And what they really mean is like, we will not let this one dude run this show. We don't trust him.
Yes. Knowing our Western European history, you can't trust one man with power. That's a great way to put it. It's an atmosphere of distrust. It's been presented under the guise of biblical eldership. But it's really, we don't trust one person. Yeah, because it's like if you don't, if you don't elect a leader, if you don't have someone to follow, then you've got like you're still following someone. You're still in power. It's just you're instead of having one person. And I don't even like in power because that's a connotation. Right. Let's just say in authority. Instead of having one person, you have many people.
But what if those many people are still like minded? You know what I mean? Like you're still not going to get anywhere. Yeah. Right.
You're still not. It's a handful. Right. It's like an oligarchy where you're getting a few. So you have a dictatorship or you have oligarchy.
Right. Or you have this complete democracy. So you have dictatorship on one side, a complete democracy on the other side. Or you have this oligarchy, you know, one step closer to the middle on the side of the democracy. But a little bit where it's not the whole group, but the chosen few who make the decision, who decide what's going to happen.
Right. So what does a leader do? You're not a leader.
We're all leaders. So there's a group that sits there who one or two of them would be like super spiritual. One or two of them may be like really educated. One or two of them may be really into ministry.
Some are not, they have no clue what's going on, but they, by virtue of being there for a long time or by virtue of running a ministry, they become part of this elder group. That's oligarchy. Yeah. I feel like there's such a push on that end, on that extreme to get rid of any sort of hierarchy. Right. But hierarchies and maybe- But they make their own hierarchy.
Well, that's what I was going to say. I feel like, and I don't know, I'm not speaking from authority. I feel like hierarchies are inevitable.
They just exist. Because even among those elder group or deacon group or whatever you want to call it. Right. You'll have one or two who will rise to leadership. Someone is going to take charge. Right.
And the pastor will just sit there as a little bug on the wall, but he is not in charge anymore. This person is. Right.
Okay. That's how it works. Do you think that that's something they do on purpose where it's like, we don't want the pastor in charge of anything?
Because reach. Accountability-wise, we cannot do that. Right. But then, functionally, you have the same thing just with not the pastor.
You have with someone else in that position of leadership. But then we call it a group thing. But it's not really a group thing. It's really that person, personality. So if you ever go against that person, not the pastor, that person in that group who is strong-willed, they will shut you down.
Yeah. They will come to you on the side and talk to you and try to convince you to take their side. Or they will pout.
Or they will not show up. And then everybody's going to say, what's wrong with brother so-and-so? Because brother and so, we cannot move without brother and so-and-so. But the pastor says we need to. But the pastor doesn't matter. Brother so-and-so, I don't know of anybody who walks with God like brother so-and-so.
I don't know of anybody who knows the Bible like brother so-and-so. I mean, that's how it works. Right.
Right. What I would say is the best way to do it, and I think more biblical way to do it, is right in the middle. Where God does use a person, a man, to lead.
That's always been God's way. It's not machines. It's not a form of government that God uses. It's a person. Right.
It's not a method. It's a man. And so, we have to go, okay, that's God's way.
Right. There was a Moses. There was a Joshua. There was a David. There was the prophets. There was Jesus. There was Peter. There was Paul.
There was always been certain people who are called to lead. And so, what they might say, what brother so-and-so might say is, well, you're not Moses. You're not Abraham. You're not David.
Right. And the response of which is, why not? Why would I think that God has now changed the pattern? Why would we think that God now wants a group of, because, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only times you really see groups like that are with Pharisees and Sadducees, and they're not typically groups to be raised. Like, you typically see there's the group who's making things happen, and very rarely is that shown in a positive light.
But then you have the man who God is working for. Right. I would say, yes and no. So, yes, you are right, but here's where I would put a correction to what you said.
Sure, sure. Yes, I am a man just like Moses was a man, just like Joshua was a man, just like David and Peter and Paul. They were just individuals that God chose to lead. But I am not on the same level as them.
Right. So, what will keep me in line? The Scriptures. As long as I'm following Scriptures, as long as I am leading people in the right way, and that's where people, the congregation, comes together and goes, okay, we see that. We see that this person is leading us in the right way. Do you have a select group of people who are in charge? They may be in charge of certain things, finances, trustees, building committee. I mean, those are the three committees we have at Clearview. So, I'm not, as a pastor or pastoral staff, just arbitrarily making decisions. There are committees for those three things, but we don't have committee for everything.
Right. No flower committee. No flower committee. No education committee. No lunch committee. No leaders committee. No committee on committees. No hospitality committee. No party planning committee.
None of that. Because that's a good way to kill any forward movement because it's not just that, hey, we're building a big building. We need to not just have, personally, I don't want that pressure of being the one to say, let's take a loan out for $5 million. I don't want that pressure. I don't want, no.
I'd rather a group come together of capable, godly people who have bought into the vision to say, yes, I think that's a good idea. I think we need to get a loan from, I think seven is better. Right. Okay. If y'all think seven is better than five, I'm okay with that as long as y'all feel that way.
Oh yes, we feel it because we need to go and do this and this at the same time. Okay. If they come together and say, oh, let's not worry about the five, I would say just maybe $100,000 and let's not even worry about building. Then I would have to say, why? Because the needs are here, this is happening, that's happening, we do need to move forward. My job is to help convince that finance committee, hey, we need to move forward.
Gotcha. Not wait on every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the church- To give their opinion. To give their opinion when Tom may be giving something, Dick and Harry- Giving squat.
Dick gives about maybe $5 a month. Harry hasn't shown his face in five years other than voting for the next pastor. But oh, so spiritual.
Oh wow. No one knows about- We cannot move forward without- We cannot, because Harry has to be here to weigh in on this even though he hasn't been here, he doesn't give- Yeah. His voice matters. His voice matters. So I think in the middle is the best way. There is a, God's man leads, but in some of these big areas there is consultation, but then the congregation shows their approval based on, is the man who is leading following God?
Who is leading us in God's way. And that kind of goes back to what we were talking about yesterday, because it's your responsibility to make sure that they know the Bible. And the best way they can vote is not by coming together and having business meeting after business meeting. The best way they vote is by whether or not they show up anymore. True. Right. Good point.
When they stop showing up, that's when you go, Brother Shaw, I love what you're trying to do, but I think there's no one left here, and you're the reason for that. It's pretty indicative. Well, I mean, I think just to give you some encouragement, look at where we are.
Look at where Clearview is right now. I think it's clear that God is using you. God has absolutely raised up, I would say, very, very bountiful blessing.
I mean, just look at where we're sitting right now. How many churches get to be able to sit here and do this? It's evidence, I think, that you have risen to godly leadership, and now we are benefiting from it. And chosen the right way, the way that God blesses them. That's right.
If you follow God, keep Christ first, follow the word, be humble, love the people of God, reach the lost. That's what it's about. That's right. Amen. So good. Guys, make sure you join us, same time, same station. Tomorrow we're going to be diving into another great topic here on the Clearview Today Show.
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