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Happy Monday. Amen. The verse of the day is coming to us from John chapter 3 and verse 31. He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. It seems pretty straightforward, but if you're from earth, you're going to speak like you're from earth.
Right, right, right. If you're from heaven, you're going to speak like you're from heaven. If you want to talk wise, man, you can talk wise. But if you want to talk foolish and earthly, you can talk foolish and earthly. The context in which those words were spoken, they were spoken by John the Baptist. So when they came to John and said, you know, the one whom you baptized is baptizing more people than you, John could have been protective over his little enterprise and said, you know, oh, wait a minute, he's baptizing more than me? I don't know. I was here before him.
You know, he should have checked with me first. None of that. To the contrary, I mean, what a great testimony. He says, I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him. Right.
And then he talks about he who has the bride is the bridegroom, but the friend of the bridegroom who stands and hears him rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. I mean, what a spirit of humility and focus. That's right. No distraction there. He's like, no, I'm not going to be, you know, chasing him down to figure out why is he doing more? I know why I'm here.
Right. And then he says he must increase, but I must decrease. And then he says what he says. He who comes from above is above all. He came from God. He is God in flesh. He is my boss. Like, imagine, imagine Jesus himself coming to visit our church and us like coming to like, wait, wait, you have to get permission.
Or just being like coming to say, hey, he's, he's taking all the people out. They want to go with him. No. More than with you. Jesus, let me talk to you about this. Let's have a conversation. It's like, I understand. You just got here.
Right. And this is, you know, you are coming to another, I'm a pastor, you know that, right? This is my church. This is my domain.
You can have your domain, but this is mine. I love that though, because it's like every teacher, every scholar, anybody who's ever lived, it's all rooted in like human understanding. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's my understanding, but this is like the, like you said, this is God you're talking about. And so this is like one of the ways I think that scripture shows us how unique Jesus actually is. Right. Right.
And, and how we need to submit to him. And that's what John the Baptist did. Yeah.
And Jesus sort of not really returned the favor, but he returned the compliment when he said, there's no one born of woman greater than John the Baptist. Right. Right.
I mean, he is the man because he is heralding or going before me and I am God in flesh. Right. Uh, gentlemen, how was y'all's weekends? I got something I want to, I want to kind of gripe about. Have y'all, y'all, anybody go to the movies?
Go for it. Well, I was going to say, have you, have you seen the snow white, the new snow white remake? I know I have. I didn't even know there was one. Really? Don't worry about going to watch it. Really? Yeah. I haven't actually seen it, but you haven't seen any of that. Like I've seen some of like the trailers and like the, the interviews and stuff. And that's what I'm saying.
You haven't seen anything like the online drama. So there's no, so, okay. So I'm usually out of it.
You're doing actual work. It's fair enough. No, no, that's not what I meant. I know what you mean. I'm just saying, I'm just joking.
But, but okay. So you knew how, how Disney has been remaking all their movies. Yeah.
I knew about that. Like they've been remaking all the live action stuff. I don't think it's an understatement to say people don't like it. Oh, they don't like it like, like even have you seen any, have y'all seen any of the Disney remakes? Yeah, I've seen. So I saw a little mermaid. I've seen beauty and the beast genuinely in Aladdin.
Not just hopping on the train genuinely. Do you like any of them better than the originals? No. Okay. No, I think they're fine. Right. I think, you know, for what they are, they're, they're decent.
I think the mermaid was pretty good, but, uh, better than the originals. No. Right. So like they're spending mill hundreds of millions to make something that people really don't want.
Nobody asked for. And so now with snow white, I think people with little mermaid, the backlash was pretty, pretty strong because the, uh, what was the name of Haley Berry or something like that? It wasn't Halle Berry, but it was Haley Berry. Yeah. Uh, like she was like, the little mermaid is black.
All right. And so people were like, oh, I don't like that. But everybody was like, eh, just leave it alone. She's fine. She's and she did a good job. So now, and, and, and if Ariel's black, it doesn't really change the story. So it's all good. That's right. So then they announced with snow white, snow white is we're going to cast, um, a Latina actress and it's like, okay, fine.
We're not really gonna, gonna, uh, push back on that. Even though her being white is pretty central to the plot, her name is snow white and she's the fairest of them all like that. That's the whole thing.
But it's like, but it's like story kind of, it means beautiful. So sure. Everyone was like, all right, it's okay.
It's okay. Of course. But then the woman, the actress, what is her name? Rachel?
Like Zegler. Yeah. She started like a year ago. She was like, we're completely remaking it because the original movie, let's just be honest.
It's trash. Ooh. And we were like, that's the other people that they have played live action Disney princesses. They have all spoken well of the original source material and of their character. She is the first person who is bashed in the original and trashed her characters kind of whole persona. So snow white like was the first ever animated feature film. It's a milestone of like filming, like not even just animation, just a filmmaking.
It is a culturally significant movie. And she came out, it was like, Hey guys, the original that we're remaking, the original is trash because the Prince is creepy. And this version of snow white is going to be all about female empowerment. It's about snow white becoming the leader that she knows she can be. And everyone was like, we don't want that. Yeah. We don't want that movie. We don't want the movie to begin with, but, but nobody wants a snow white who's like becoming a leader in like female empowerment.
So then it gets even worse. You know who Peter Dinklage is? No. So he's an, he's an actor with dwarfism. He was, he was, uh, he was in, uh, you remember the movie elf. Yes. He was the author that they bring in. Okay.
Miles Finch. Okay. Remember he, he fights Will Ferrell on the table. He like kicks Will Ferrell's butt. So, yeah. He criticized the seven, this is, this is a whole mess.
This, this whole thing is a mess. He criticized the seven dwarfs in the original movie saying that's insensitive to people who have dwarfism. Uh, so Disney said, all right, we're not going to, we're not going to do any dwarf. They're not going to be dwarfs.
They're just going to be like people with like magical abilities. Oh, then other actors who are dwarfs said, Hey, we could have used that role. We could have used that paycheck.
This is serious. They were like, don't listen to him. I haven't heard this part.
Yes. There was a bunch of actors who have dwarfism that was like, that's our paycheck. That could have been us.
We could have had that representation. So now it's like everybody who's trying to be woke is tearing each other apart. That's the whole point. You know, this, this, uh, this whole, uh, movement has gone off the deep end, you know, when they start doing this because after a while it's not about helping people and lifting people up.
It's about, you know, being a voice or something and then it becomes, it goes crazy. So, so opening weekend, which was this past weekend, right, was a disaster. I'm talking about like, we've, I think people have said this about a lot of Disney's movies, but like this one was like all time low, right? So Rachel Zegler came out and instead of saying, Hey guys, I think we pushed a little too far. We mishandled the press. We, she said, no, the fans are stupid and they are racist double down on it.
She doubled down. That's what you do when you're struggling for ratings, insult the fans. The movie is obviously good.
It's obvious. So everybody who's saying this, which is most of America are stupid and they're racist across the world right now, especially in America. A lot of these, these irrational movements are sort of being rolling back. So somebody needs to inform her and say, you know, we were on, on the edge of the cliff about to go over. But we have, we have been given an opportunity to kind of come on back. So maybe you need to join the movement and come on back. We're moving back. And if you keep moving forward, no one's going to be there to pull you back.
Maybe you just need to come on back. Yeah. I would be really interested to see what Disney looks like five years from now, because I haven't heard a single good thing about them.
That's a great point. At all. Like, like they've ruined Star Wars. Yeah. They ruined, they, they, people say they ruined Marvel. They ruined pretty much Fox, like all the, but now they're ruining their own stuff.
It's like, it wasn't enough for them to buy everybody else's property saying you're laying there. Right. Right. I don't know, man. But anyway, I just didn't know if you guys had seen Snow White or had any interest in. I have not.
And I will not. Yeah. I don't want to say Snow White, like doing karate flips and literally only got 1.6 stars on IMDB and that's lower than dragon ball evolution. Are you serious?
Yes. Dragon ball got 2.7 dragon ball evolution, dragon ball evolution. For those who don't know, it was a joke.
It was a joke. Like anybody who liked, like I love dragon ball growing up. And when I went to saw that movie, I was like, I don't think I like dragon ball anymore. I want to recant my childhood.
Dragon ball evolution held the record for being like the worst rated movie of all time. And now it has been, what is the opposite of surpass, like descended beyond? I don't know, dude.
I don't know. I feel like we got to go to a break. I need to take, I need to take a break.
I didn't know it got that bad. Guys, we're going to take a quick break and be right back with more Clear V today. Hi, I'm Dr. Abidan Shah, lead pastor at Clear V church and host of the Clear V today show. Every day we bring you bold biblical truth to help you navigate life with clarity and confidence.
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That's right. Dr. Shah, today's check-in is coming to us from a very concerned mom, Lisa from North Carolina. That might be my mom. Hey, mom. It's not my mom because she doesn't talk good here.
Hi, Dr. Shah. My name is Lisa and I'm a mom of two kids, ages 11 and 17. Okay, so not your mom. Not my mom at all.
Not my mom. My daughter, who is always outgoing, has been struggling in social situations and seems anxious all the time. My son, who is always very confident and outgoing, but these past few years he's been isolating himself in his room. Both of their grades have dropped.
I've talked to both my kids and my son says that he feels dumb these days. I'm really worried that the way schools and businesses handled the pandemic has affected my children because they haven't been the same since. I'm also worried that maybe I didn't handle it best.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, a worried mom. Wow.
That's tough. I think she is right and she has every reason to be worried because ever since this pandemic thing began in 2020, we said it and many others also said that this is going to have a lasting impact on our young population because when you are living in a state of fear and then you're being bombarded by social media, whether it's Facebook or Instagram or TikTok or Snapchat or whatever, you're constantly being told to stay safe and don't come out and get your shot or whatever. That creates a sense of fear among especially the young who are not able to discern between is that really true or is that wrong and then to see adults, see adults who are going overboard with this pandemic thing and then being isolated from their peers and some of them were isolated at some very critical years of their lives, it has made a difference and it will continue to impact us for I believe decades to come.
Yeah, you can't upend people's lives like that and then expect everything to go back to normal and then hide behind the value of we're just keeping everyone safe. Who was it? Was it Nicholas who missed his senior year? His graduation? No, not quite, but there were some others who did. There were others in our church who they just genuinely didn't have a graduation, they didn't have their graduation, they didn't have senior year. Everything was sort of, I don't even want to say stitched like slapped together, it just didn't exist. It just wasn't.
It wasn't there. I mean obviously Evie wasn't a senior, but she did have a kindergarten graduation that year. And I think it's pretty clear, there was a study recently, there was like a Gallup poll and Gallup study came out and maybe you guys can kind of read some of the stats on it for us because according to this study, this is on March the 13th, 2025, is titled pandemic hurt children's social skills, mental health most. And then the subtitle says parents report fewer negative effects on children's physical health and math, reading and science skills. So social skills and mental health were gravely impacted.
Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, it's pretty clear that all this stuff was impacted. I think there's some charts, if we can throw those charts up on the screen, you can kind of see it. There was reports from the parents of the COVID-19 effect on their kids. As you can see, the question they were asked was, for those of you who can't see it, who are just listening, this is what effect has the coronavirus pandemic had on your child in each of the following areas, positive, negative or no effect. So looking at like social skills development, 47% of parents said, yeah, 100% has affected my kids' development negatively. Mental health, 52%, only six, I don't know who the 6% of parents are that said, yeah, the pandemic helped my kids' mental health, but 52% of people said no, absolutely.
Look at all the yellow. There's so much overwhelming negativity. Math, 56% of parents said, yeah, it's negatively impacted my kids' math. 59% said it impacted my kids' reading negatively. Science 61, physical health, 69% of parents said that because of the pandemic, my kids were worse. Yeah, because they are sort of stuck indoors and so they cannot really interact and do things. Many of us sort of lived our lives normally.
We were working out in our homes, you know, we came out here to the church parking lot and we would jog around and things like that, but other kids were not able to do those things. But it's funny because previously released findings said that it was much less. Like when it was going on, people were saying, no, no, no, it's all fine. It's all good. Like, yeah, it's different, but we'll weather, we'll persevere. But now come together and do this. Well, you cannot come together.
How are you going to band together and stand strong when you have to stay separate from one another? Five years later, everyone is saying, no, this actually kind of hurt us. And it's frustrating.
And I know Dr. Shah, I'm sure you feel this way, too. It's frustrating to be in the middle of it in 2020 saying, hey, guys, don't do this. Don't overcorrect.
Don't go down this road because it's going to hurt you in the future. And everybody be like, no, no, no, no, no. But then you have polls like this where like, oh, it did hurt us. It did hurt us. Yeah. And you can see the impact of that. And so I would say, yes, those formative years and we're talking about from, you know, the early toddler years to about the pre-teen years are very detrimental to a child's future and growth.
Yes. And those are the years where they learn social skills. Those are the years they learn reasoning skills.
They learn how to see their world. And this is the time period where, you know, they were told, stay away. You may die. Yeah. People are dying everywhere. What's wrong with you?
Stay away. Yeah. And so now that fear has come in and, you know, sometime back we talked about generations, the various generations.
I think the series we did was called, it was called generation generation. Yeah. And we looked at these various generations and the traits they exhibited.
Nobody realized that there was going to be a generation that would be living in fear and anxiety and stress. Yeah. And now that, and those kids who were, let's say five back in 2020 are what, 10 today? And the kids who were, let's say seven back in 2021 are today, what?
The 12th. Yeah. Yeah.
It's too young to tell. Yeah. Because I think there's more impact coming. Great point. Great point. And if you look at this, if you pull up that other chart, it shows that the most negative impact is in that middle, middle school. See what I'm saying? Because like everything, because like you said, they're way too young to tell, but those who were in middle school, sixth, eighth grade, you can see that 31%, 31%, 28, 22, 24, like all of the highest affected kids were in that sixth to eighth grade.
Well, here's the thing. Like, you know, we talk about kids development. We talked, you talked about this in the generation series, but you have those toddler years where you're, it feels like your kids are learning something new every day and they're, they're developing these different physical skills. They're developing reasoning and kind of logic.
And the only other time period in our lives that even comes close to that is in the teenage years is as your kids are growing, as they go through puberty, as they begin to transition from being a kid to an adult. And that is the time when for many kids, they were, they're learning the social interactions. They're learning how to interact with other people. They're learning how to carry themselves in a conversation and to completely shut off every opportunity for them to exercise those social skills. You're seeing that now those middle schoolers in the pandemic, they are now those juniors and seniors and college freshmen who are riddled with anxiety, who are struggling to hold together a job or a class schedule and who are having a hard time forming relationships because when they were supposed to be learning those skills, they were isolated. And just for the sake of like playing devil's advocate, cause I know there's going to be people who are like, but these are parents and a lot of parents where they don't get it.
They don't understand. This is coming from a government data tracking company called the nation's report card. Like this is, this is, these numbers that we're seeing are not just parents' anecdotes.
This is government data tracking for students' performances. And almost every single report is coming out to say like, yeah, math is kind of there, but reading and social skills are way below prepandemic levels. So that's the, that's what I'm saying. Like I guess it's sort of irrefutable. It's the own government, like our own government is saying, yeah, things aren't what they used to be. And it's interesting that now under the Trump administration, some of these things are being said and said out loud. Right.
So you can say, look, he's the president. You think that's what, that's what's happening? No, I think it's finally, a lot of truth is being told across our nation.
I see what you're saying. Yeah. What should have been said years ago is finally being said now. Right.
Or at least two, three years ago now it's being said. Yeah. I agree. And I'm grateful for that.
I'm grateful for president Trump because of his leadership. People think it doesn't matter who's the president. No, it doesn't matter. Yeah.
It doesn't matter who's going to straighten out. And one of these things of course is this stat about our children. You know, in that series called Generations, I mentioned, I kind of introduced people to the Strauss-Howe theory of generations. So Bill Strauss and Neil Howe wrote a book called Generations, The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069. It's a great book. I'm not saying it's a perfect book. It has its weaknesses and it has some places you're a little hesitant to really accept some of their theories.
And it's part of that is I want to mention. But in this research, they looked at generations in a four-stage cycle and where each generation lasts about 20 to 25 years to a total of 80 to 90 years known as the Sakellum. Sakellum is simply century, okay? So there are four-stage cycle. Each generation lasts about 20, 25 years, a total of 80 to 90 years as a Sakellum. Each generation has a turning or a change in society and culture. The generation that is at its height in the cycle is the archetype of that cycle. And altogether there are four turnings in a generational cycle.
I know there's a lot coming at you if you are not aware of the Strauss- Howe theory of generations. But it's worth studying because you are able to see why people do what they do. You are able to make some sense out of behaviors. I think what really helped me was the way that you started plugging Bible characters in, like we specifically went with Samuel, then Saul, then David, and you're like, man, this more or less lines up perfectly, Jonathan. And when you start to see it, you start to make sense, well, you've got to think Saul is in this category, so he's looking at the generation that came before, David is looking at the generation that came before, and all this stuff starts to make sense.
Like you said, why people do the things that they do. Right. And so every 80 years or so, there is a fourth turning of generations in history. And at the fourth turning, there is a crisis that destroys the social order and creates a new order.
And interestingly, that crisis happened, the latest crisis was the pandemic. And so with that, you have these cycles and these stages and different generations doing different things. So Gen Z, who were kind of right in the mix of this cycle, this crisis, definitely impacted.
Oh, yeah. And generation alpha, that's the generation coming after, was sort of impacted, but not quite as much. And so what you're going to see is that Gen Z, the later Gen Z, like Nicholas and others are sort of the earlier Gen Zs, the later Gen Zs will be impacted by the pandemic. Generation alpha, maybe some of the ones there, the early generation alpha may also be impacted, but it's really the ones coming afterwards who will be able to overcome the effects of the pandemic. Like I think your son, John, who is right now, Gavin is what, four years old.
He may not be as impacted by the pandemic because he was born in the pandemic. Correct. What year? 2021. 2020.
Right. 2020. So he was a baby.
There's not much impact. 2021, he was one year old. Still a baby.
2022, he was two years old. Maybe now he is seeing what's going on, but it's a little too late for him to really feel the 2020, 2021 shutdowns. But he also will never know a world pre shutdown. At least we know, OK, it wasn't always like this.
He will never know that. And thankfully, like you said, thanks to the leadership that we have in place right now, we're not seeing at least overt effects of it. It's all kind of still catching up with us and it's still kind of psychological, mental health, all that stuff. But he won't know anything that's different. Well, it shows the importance of just like you were saying, Dr. Show, those years can be detrimental to a kid and it's largely to do with how parents and adults in their lives help them navigate those difficulties. I mean, I look at our kids, those in the whole world, enough to remember what was happening in 2020 and 2021 compared to other peers that they have. And they are very different in some of their approaches to life and some of their thoughts and feelings about certain things. Were they affected? Sure.
But the levels of the effect, I think, were drastically different than people who maybe bought into the lie that was being spread. And I think it was frustrating for me to see this because you I remember you standing from the pulpit and all of us really saying, hey, guys, we're going to weather this. This is fine. Don't go down this road of fear.
Don't go down this road of self isolation and giving in to what's being what's being, you know, asked of you and all this stuff. And people weren't appreciative at the time. They weren't ready. And I don't mean appreciative, like grateful.
I just mean they weren't even willing to acknowledge it. You know what I mean? It was like, I'm being fed something. I'm being told something. I'm going to feed into it. But then I'm going to be upset five years later when everyone's suffering from it. And I think to me, that's that's kind of frustrating. And the suffering is is not as easily seen at first glance, but it's deeper and is far more impactful. So if you think suffering means that, you know, hey, they went through the pandemic. Oh, look at him. He's over there curled up in, you know, like a fetal position, sucking his thumb. That's not what what's going to be the impact, right? The impact will be the way they perceive life, the way they face problems, the way they handle stressful situations. That's much more.
That's deeper and not easily seen. That is what you need to worry about more than, oh, is he he's not in a fetal position over there. Well, he's fine. We're fine. We are very resilient people. You know, human beings are resilient.
Children are resilient. No, but the real impact is what is happening below the surface. If that's the case, do you do you fear that?
Not do you fear, but is a concern, a legitimate concern that you won't even see that manifest until much later in life? Yes. Yes. Yes. That's why you said decades is.
Yes. Is it too is it too late to change it by then? Because once you're in your 20s, 30s, I mean, you can change, but it's much harder. It's difficult.
It's difficult. But I think it is doesn't have to be irreparable. So formative years are detrimental, but they don't have to be irreparable. But certain steps have to be taken, which means you have to acknowledge that what happened four years ago was not right. What happened to control our society and to feed us with fear and to buy into everything on social media was wrong. And for adults to to to, you know, to promote and to cater into these fears was not right. So even though they're not doing that today, what they did back then is impactful and will be impactful for years and years and years to come. We have to acknowledge that if you're going to repair this, you have to acknowledge what happened was bad. You're going to just go with, hey, we've all forgotten about the pandemic.
It's you know what? That's yesterday's news. We moved past that. We're in a different place, man. Now it's a different world.
And look, if they try to shut us down today, people are going to be upset. It doesn't matter what you say about today is what you did back then. And if back then you bought into it. One big step to repairing that damage is to acknowledge that that was wrong.
That was not right. So someone like Lisa, who's writing into the show and saying, I think maybe I didn't handle this right, you would say, confirm that, confirm that, acknowledge that, and maybe even talk to your kids and say, hey, we know what happened. They may even brush you off and say, well, we don't even know. I can't even remember that.
Maybe still have the conversation and say, you know what? What happened back then? We did not know that we were under some psychological warfare. Right. Right. That we were being told this.
And also maybe teach them TikTok is not real. That's right. That is right. That's not real. Golly man.
That should be an episode all its own. Yeah. TikTok is not real. It's not real.
So what you saw and heard and all these people talking about it as if they were experts and listened to it. That is not real. In fact, much of the stuff that is on there is not real. That's right.
I think there needs to be a pop up notification as you open the app. Yeah, I know. This isn't real. What you are viewing now is fantasy.
We don't know what we're talking about. Yeah. Man, so good for us. Lisa, I hope that was helpful for you. And write in and let us know how you're taking these episodes 252-582-5028. Make sure you join us next time.
Same time, same station. We're going to be diving into another great topic here on The Clearview Today Show. And write back in once you talk to your friends. I would love to get a follow up on this.
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