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Good to see you too. I'm liking that. I'm liking that shirt. Does it take no shirt?
Yes, it is a take no shirt. Thank you. For those of you joining us for the first time, Dr. Shah is a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Our verse of the day today is coming to us from Romans chapter 3, verse 20. Therefore, by the deeds of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. By the law was God's gift to Israel. It was his way of showing them how sinful they were, how unable they were to meet his standard, and yet at the same time, his grace towards them. But it wasn't the path for them being righteous. I think a lot of times Christians think, we have the cross and belief, they had the law, and so if they followed the law, that was how they were righteous before God.
No, it was never, ever, ever the law. By the way, law had several other purposes. One was, of course, to sort of, what did you say again?
You said to... It was like to show them how sinful they were. How sinful they were. That was one purpose, great. And the second one was all sort of to protect them, because a lot of things in the law were to help them stand out from their neighbors, from the Canaanites, whose land they were, until God said, this is your land, take it.
So to keep them distinct from them. So that was another purpose. The law was also a tutor to guide them to Christ, kind of like what you just said. So law served several purposes, but this righteousness of Christ came apart from the law.
It means it did not come by keeping the law. But it was witnessed by the law and the prophets. So on one hand, the law keeping does not give us the righteousness of God, but the law and the prophets, they both testify to the reality of a righteousness that was going to be revealed from God. And that righteousness was not just God is good or God is holy. Righteousness is the rightness of God. Righteousness is intricately connected to the justice of God, the judgment of God. In the Old Testament, you find those words for righteousness, tzedek, and for judgment, mishpah, often used together. Because righteousness, right or wrong, righteousness is about justice. Justice is also about right and wrong. So God declares us righteous does not mean that God is declaring us good.
You're good. It's more like now you are in a right relationship with me. Of course that means righteous, but it's something that has been so misunderstood. That changes how you understand even the law in the Old Testament too, because if you think of righteousness as you are right, you are made good, it falls into that, if I just do this, if I do enough, I'm going to earn my salvation. I'm going to hit all the right checkboxes.
I'm going to be good enough to get into heaven. And that's never what it was intended to be. That's right. It's like a judge sitting in his courtroom and you are the guilty one. And for the judge to set you free, he has to say, okay, you're not guilty. But how can you say that you're not guilty?
You are guilty, but you're not guilty because you're doing these things. So you're not guilty anymore. It just doesn't work like that. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't make any sense.
When you think about it like that, it doesn't make sense. You know, speaking of justice and bringing people back into right relationship with one another, I've got a gripe vine for y'all today. Oh, really? I've got a gripe fresh off the vine.
I'm not in a right relationship with my wife right now. Oh, no. She has sinned against me, and I've got to air it on public Christian radio right now.
Oh, my. Should we continue this? So I've got to tread carefully because this could get out of hand. She's calling me right now. How did she know?
This is not a live show. So Dr. Shah, we are a family, all of us. When I say that, I mean like us on the staff. We are a family.
Right. And so we're at each other's houses a lot. We're at your house a lot. Sure. Have you ever been like getting out of the shower or you've been like in a state of undress where you didn't want people at your house, but there's people at your house? Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I'm kind of getting ready. But you're in the back room. Yes. Your doors are locked. You're separate. Nobody comes this way. Yes. And nobody's going in your bedroom or nothing like it at all.
Why would they? Not at all. So it's like, oh, okay. But you know that feeling when you're in the shower and then your friends come in and you weren't ready for them. You feel very vulnerable. They're in the house, right?
I feel vulnerable. So our oven is on the fritz, and I texted Dr. Shah last night, and I said, is there someone who could take a look at our oven? He said, here's the name of a church member.
He would do a good job. I said, great idea. He said, can I come by this morning? I said, yes, no problem.
I thought he meant later on this morning. I'm in the shower, and I hear his voice. And the door, it's an old house.
The lock's broken. Nobody's in there but us. So I'm like, okay.
Well, like you said, I'm a little vulnerable, but whatever. Everybody in this house has common sense. Wrong. Oh, no. Ellie, my wife, he's working on the oven. He's like, I'm going to just check the breaker box, and the lights go out. But I know he's there. So I'm like, okay, cool. He's in the breaker box. The bathroom's dark.
Whatever. I get out of the shower. I start towelling off.
The door starts to open. Oh, no. So I put my elbow against the door. Yeah, hold on.
I'm in here. Hold on. Yeah, I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Ellie starts pushing back, and she's like, stop! Stop! And I'm like, no, Ellie, I'm in here. She's like, stop.
For real, stop. And she sticks her face in the door, and she's like, I was just going to tell you this person is here. And he's turning the breaker box off. I know. I was like, Ellie, the bathroom is pitch black.
I know that. Why are you trying to get in this bathroom? I don't want. And then she shuts the door. We come out. The person is like, hey, here's the problem. He leaves, and then Ellie gets an attitude with me.
Like, why did you talk to me like that? Yeah. What would you do if Nicole pulled that stunt with you? Uh. I mean, y'all's bathroom is in the back of the house, so they wouldn't be there. Yes. I am very funny about that. It's like, the door, do not open the door for anybody.
And so sometimes she'll come in here to just pick up that one thing. And the door is half a jar. Bad news.
Nope. And I can see the mirror, and I'm like, Nicole, shut the door. Shut the door. Right. There's nobody here. I said, I don't care.
I'm with you. This guy, we know our son may walk by. Right. Or a church member.
Church members come by the house. Shut the door. It's easy. It's the easiest thing.
Just boop. Are y'all bathroom door lockers at the house? We are not, because we are a family of seven, and we have two bathrooms.
So at any moment, someone may need to come in and use the restroom for something. Do you lock the door at the house? I don't lock the bathroom door.
I don't lock the bedroom door anymore. There was a time that I did. When kids were small?
Kids were small. Yeah. It's like, no, you're not coming in here. We don't, none of ours even have, the house is so old, none of ours even have locks that work anymore. But man, I would be locking them.
Because little kids, they definitely treat that. Oh, they'll just come right in. That's coming in all the time. Yep. Yeah.
Mine are to the point now where they won't just barge in on you unless it's like, hey, I have to get this thing. This is an emergency. So the point of this gripe vine is, I don't know, I want to say something spiritual about it, but like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. There you go.
That's what she's trying to get back to. There you go. Yeah. But there's people around.
There's other people. That's right. I definitely felt ashamed. I felt ashamed. Maybe the theme is there's going to be some forgiveness needed. There you go. I'm working towards it. I'm working towards it.
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You can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028. Dr. Shah, in the theme of forgiveness today, our check-in is coming to us from Brenda K. over in South Carolina, with a lot of texts from South Carolina lately. South Carolinians. I think the Truth Network has put some stations down there. We're getting a lot of coverage. We're at the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson area, so we thank you for that. Absolutely. Brenda K., thank you for checking in.
Hey, Dr. Shah, I've been listening to the show for a while now, and for some reason the Lord laid on my heart to share this with you. A close friend of mine betrayed my trust in a big way. We run a small online business together, and I found out recently she's been stealing some of the profits.
I'm sorry, that's not funny. She's been stealing some of the profits. We had a huge fight, and now the business is offline. She asked me to forgive her, and I told her I did, but even though I know I'm supposed to forgive, I just can't seem to let it go. Every time I think I've moved on, the hurt comes rushing back.
How do I actually forgive someone when I don't feel it? I've been there. Yeah. Just to let you know, we're laughing not because... It's not funny. It's funny that you're going through this.
We're laughing because this is so real. It's relatable. It's very relatable, and it happens even in Christian circles. Yeah, that's sad. That's really sad. Yeah, and this is a sad reality of life because of sin in this world, because of human nature that is so sinful that people do this to each other. On one hand, we say, we love you, we'll be there for you, man, I got your back, and then on the other hand, we're turning around and stealing from each other or even talking junk about each other. This is very tragic.
It is. One of the things I think that people get caught up in is that when these things happen, it's always a matter of, I need to explain myself, I need to justify this. If you knew what... And I don't know what Brenda's situation is, but I can imagine during that confrontation, you should know how much I'm going through.
You should know that I'm having these bills and this problem and this problem and this problem, so you're going to have to just cut me some slack on this. And we're so desperate to be understood, we forget that we're sinning and we're hurting the people that we love. Absolutely. And we talked about God's righteousness, rightness, his justice. So God sees everything, so he knows what you're doing is wrong or that person has done is wrong and there are consequences for that. Now, some of those consequences may not have happened in this life, but there is a judgment coming. Right. That's right. Not a single thing happens in this world that God is not going to judge. Now, either he will judge it on the cross or he will judge it in this life or he will judge in eternity.
One way or the other, God is just. Yeah, that's right. You know, I think a lot of life kind of goes between finding yourself on the wrong end or on the right end. You know what I mean?
Yeah. It's like you're constantly having to forgive other people or even asking for forgiveness. And forgiveness is difficult, especially like, I mean, like Brenda expressed, when you don't feel like you want to forgive that person, when that hurt is still there, when those wounds still sting, I don't want to extend that olive branch because I'm still upset.
And it's sort of a continuation of what we talked about yesterday, Dr. Shell, with repentance. You know, it's like if I feel it or if I don't feel it, I know that it has to be done. But how do I forgive someone when I'm angry? You know, do I have to wait until I stop being angry?
Yeah, you'll be waiting a very, very, very long time. And in the meantime, you will also be corroding your own heart and your own spirit because forgiveness or bitterness is, like somebody said, is drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die. Wow.
Yeah. And that is so true. So I'm here angry with you for what you've done and what you've done is wrong, is wrong. And I am justified in being angry with you, but it's not helping me one bit. In fact, it's also fraying my relationship with those around me.
They're struggling because I am angry all the time. I am vindictive. And since I cannot let that person have it, I'm letting people around me have it. And so the sooner you can wake up and recognize the fact that you need to forgive, the better it is not only for you, but also for those around you.
Yeah. I love that because it inspires us to push for forgiveness more. It's not just, hey, I need to forgive that person because God tells me to and I need to be nice to them. No, you need to fight for forgiveness for your sake, for your own spiritual and emotional wellbeing. You need to forgive that person. And I think what I hear a lot of times is like, well, I just can't right now.
I have to wait. Like there's, and I don't know, maybe Dr. Joe, you can, you can kind of help clear this up for me, but I don't see any advantage to not forgiving immediately. You know what I mean? Like, I know it's harder the fresher that that wound is, but is there any advantage to the people who say right now, I just can't, I just can't.
Right. It's, it is tough. Depends on the person who did the hurting. If somebody out there does something to us, it may be deep, but we can sort of justify that as being that person like this or that person like that and we can, we can sort of move on. But when it's somebody close to us, a family member, a friend, a church family member, that has a much deeper cut than just some random stranger at a grocery store or some, some politician or some person in the community that, that did something wrong to you.
This has a much deeper cut. So I get it. Sometimes we don't feel like forgiving them right away. Now, yes, we should, but it's not that easy, right?
So how should we do it? I believe we need to go to scripture for that because scripture helps us understand how to love our enemies who are unlovable. In Matthew chapter five and verse 43, you know, Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount.
He gave the Beatitudes and in this section, we know the Beatitudes as in blessed are this and blessed are those. But then in Matthew chapter five and 43, he says, you have heard that it was said you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies. Bless those who curse you. Do good to those who hate you and pray for those who spitefully use you that you may be the sons of your father in heaven for he makes his son rise on the evil and on the good and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others?
Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore, you shall be perfect just as your father in heaven is perfect. Very peculiar word that you shall be perfect.
Right. That he's equating forgiveness with perfection. I wonder if there's any foreshadowing of the cross there, like of his ultimate forgiveness on the cross, because all those things that he said that you should do, I was picturing him doing it.
I was picturing Jesus loving his enemies, blessing those who curse him, doing good to those who hate him, even from the point of the cross, I can see him doing all those things. And then he says that, therefore, you shall be perfect. Well, I mean, if you think about it for a moment, you know, the word telos is the word that is being used here for perfect. It has the idea of an end or a conclusion or goal. It has the idea of bringing to an end or completing a task.
All that is part of this telos. And so, yes, in a sense, there is the hint of the coming cross. But I don't think that is as expressly stated in that passage. Right.
Makes sense. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, there was a story you told once from the pulpit that I think really helped me a lot. And it was the story about the 21 days of praying for someone who was wrong. Do you want to tell that? Because I remember when you told that story, I remember thinking, like, that's me.
I'm living that right now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, it happened to me years ago. There's a gentleman that I had really helped in his life. He had made a lot of bad choices, bad decisions, and I helped him. And for all practical purposes, it seems like he was doing well. He was going to college, he even got married, had a child.
I mean, it just looked like everything was going very well. He had worked alongside of me in helping with the ministry. And so, when that happens, a person has become kind of a family to you. And even though he was not physically a family member, he has sort of become one. And then I had given him a job at a place that I used to work, and I gave him a job.
And so, it seemed like, yeah, I mean, you would think that he would be incredibly grateful because of all the things that have been done for him. But then once I left that job, I saw an immediate change in his attitude towards me. And it was noticeable, and I was like, something is not right, I wonder what's going on. What was not right is the fact that he felt like he no longer needed me. And so, he began to go to people around me and talk, you know, just junk about me. Saying things that were malicious, saying things that were outlandish, and also then trying to set up a meeting to oust me.
And so, that really got to me. Do you think he was ashamed that he needed your help to get that job or something? Or why the sudden change in character do you think? I think there was always a sense of, why does he have all these things? I don't.
Oh, envy is the root cause of a majority of our problems. Makes sense. Yeah. So, you know, that spirit, and I was like, oh, that's what's going on here. I said, well, no, but I can explain to him and, you know, hey, look, everything I have is yours.
There's nothing here that I'm trying to hold on to. You're part of this movement. You're part of everything that's happening here. But it was not that simple.
It was not that simple. So, this person, you know, did what he did, and there was a major fallout to the point that there were some people whose minds were almost, I would say, permanently colored towards me. Wow. So, if I prop you up and say, this guy right here, he is a representation of me. So, anything he says is as if I am saying. And then... He goes and says all that hateful stuff. He turns against you, and then he says this, so people that I have, you know, presented him to over these years, and when I say years, I'm talking about from, you know, good eight years. Wow. That's a long time.
That's incredibly long. People are confused, and they're thinking, who should we listen to? I guess we can listen to him, because this sounds, you know, so outlandish must be true. So, anyways, that's what happened, and then there was a fallout, and there were some people who in the process were hurt. So, how did I respond to that?
Not well. It hurt me. How could you do that?
How could you do that? And so, I distanced myself from that person, which I think that is the right thing to do. It is. It is.
You have to walk away from that, and the person eventually stopped coming in my circle, which was good, and then he went to other people around and said more ugly things. And so, I was like, I wish I had known this a long time ago. Oh my goodness. Why did I not know?
Sometimes I even question God. Why did you allow this person to get into my life? Why did you allow this to even happen? This is not fair. This is not fair. It's a bunch of lies. It's wrong.
It's evil. And so, anyways, that's the moment. And then, eventually, the person moved away. That situation died down, but a part of me, in a sense, was just deeply wounded. Yeah, that hurt state. Even though he was gone, he was living his best life or whatever was going on. No, it was not the best life. It was just kind of like a life, but for me, it was tough.
That hurt state. You said something very interesting that I want to go back to. You said that when that happened, you distanced yourself from that person, and that's the right thing to do. Yeah. And I think that maybe surprises some of our listeners, because we're sort of brought up, or at least I was, brought up with this picture of when you forgive someone, it's like nothing ever happened.
Yeah. Forgive and forget. You have to make that second step, otherwise you haven't truly forgiven that person. Yeah, or they feel like if you forgive someone, you have to reconcile. Yeah, you have to repair that relationship. Right, right.
And that's not really true. There is a place for reconciliation, but if there is a form of abuse involved, then you have to go, I can't really embrace you right now. Like in Ecclesiastes, it talks about there's a time to embrace, and there is a time to refrain from embracing. So for us to preach and teach, I think our people are sometimes confused in the pulpit going, I don't know, that doesn't sound right.
And guess what, biblically, they are right. You're telling people to go reconcile, and yes, God has given us a ministry of reconciliation, but timing, timing, timing. Right, yeah. I'm thinking about someone like Brenda who's listening to this, asking for advice on how to forgive, and nowhere in this show would we ever say, you need to go become best friends with that person again. Y'all need to repair your relationship. No, it's like if someone's stealing from you, if someone's doing that, like yeah, you gotta sever that.
Yeah. But the forgiveness is more for you. How did you end up forgiving this person? Well, so fast forward a year or two after that, a gentleman came into my life, and he was very wise, and he still is, and he saw that in me. He saw that I was a great guy, good preacher, good pastor, good friend, good scholar, good community person, just very loving and kind, but at the same time, there was a part of me that was just hurt, and he picked up on it, and so he said, you know, I wanna talk to you about something, and I hope that's okay. I said, yeah, sure. He said, has somebody hurt you? And I said, well, why do you ask? He said, I'm just asking because I can sense that somebody has.
Right. I don't know what this person has, but you know what, that's just who the person is, and I wish I had known that earlier, but I moved on. I'm doing my thing, and I am serving God, and loving my family, and loving and serving my church family, so I'm not stopping for this person and their bad behavior. He said, true, but do you wanna be set free? And I said, what do you want me to do? He said, no, do you want to be set free? I said, of course I wanna be set free, because in a sense, you feel chained to this situation in the past.
I said, sure, I wanna be set free. He said, well, then I want you to do something, and he pointed to Matthew chapter five, verses 43 to 48. He said, you need to pray for this person for the next 21 days.
Oof, that's rough. Yeah. I was like, yeah, sure, I'll pray for them. I'll pray that God will convict them. Pray that God will smite them down. No, no, no. Break your swift justice. No, no, no.
Break their teeth, Lord. Yeah. Like the Psalmist. Yeah, yeah.
The imprecatory Psalms. No, he said, you need to pray that God will bless them. Like, okay, all right, I guess I'll do that. Yeah, bless them, God, bless them by opening their eyes, bless them by, he said, no, no, bless them financially. I'm like, no, no. That's hard, dude. I'm not gonna pray for financial blessing, I'm not right out there.
No, you can't do that. Like, he needs to suffer. He may not get sick or he may not die, but he has to at least be poor. That's right. I'm with you, dude. I'm with you.
That's hard. I'm like, bless them financially? He's like, yes, you need to pray for that.
And God may bless them financially, but you need to be okay with that. I'm like, oh. He said, do that for 21 days.
And he said, I promise you in the first week, you won't even be able to mouth those words. It'll be tough. Yeah. It'd be very hard for you to even say God bless them.
Like you got a mouth full of just, like, ash and dust and stuff. Yeah. That's rough. Because it just feels wrong because they are so wrong.
How can you say, God, would you bless them financially? But here's the thing. Once you get past that first week into the second week, it may get a little easier. And when you get from the second to the third week, you'll find out it's much easier for you to pray. That's right.
And then one day you'll wake up and realize that you're free. Wow. Oh, I'll give it a shot.
I can't promise you, but I'll give it a shot. And so it began. And just as he had promised, the first few days were tough because immediately the person's face and pop right into your mind, didn't mind. And then the person sitting across from me and condemning me and the facial features and the words and then his family and attacking me. It was so it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's something about righteousness and rightness that there should be justice and the justice is you should be punished for that.
That's right. And then I would get up the next day and do the same thing and the next day and the next day. And exactly as the gentleman said, next week, I was able to in the second week, I was able to pray and I was actually able to pray for God's blessing upon this person.
Wow. And then the week after, I had to pray. And this time it became a little easier to pray. God bless them. God keep them.
God bring good things into their lives. And then one morning I woke up and realized no longer was that person my consuming thought. You were free.
I was free. No longer was I thinking about that hurt again. Wow. That pain. And so it is biblical, it is biblical and it's very, very tough in the beginning. But if you stay with it, God, the Holy Spirit will help you to do this just like Jesus on the cross. That's right. Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
Wow. So if you want to be set free, and what if they're blessed? That's for God to decide. I'm not going to sit there and say, are you really going to bless them? No, that's, that's, that's for God and he may or he may not, but that's not your business. Yeah.
Blessed or not you at the end of the day, that time you get to be free. That's right. That's right.
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