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November 6, 2024 6:00 am

A Christian school in Australia sparks controversy by asking students to remove cross necklaces, leading to a discussion about the intersection of faith and inclusion. Meanwhile, the hosts explore the differences between PNG and JPEG files in graphic design and share their personal experiences with the topic.

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Yeah, go for it. Something's been irking my nerve. Rustling your jimmies, as it were. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And in order to do that, welcome to the gripe vine. Welcome to the gripe vine.

Boink. Double gripe, back to back. I also got another one for Friday.

Oh, well. This is going to be a triple gripe week. This is a gripe heavy week. We're gripey this week. Here's the thing.

Before I started at ClearView, didn't have a lot of experience in graphic design. Okay. Never really... No YouTube thumbnails? Nope.

No like, watch me and my wife try the cinnamon challenge. None of that. None of that. You make like a thumbnail of her, just like, oh!

None of that. And then when I started, I started to pick up some graphic design skills. It turns out I'm not bad at it. No, you're pretty good. I'm not bad at it. You're pretty good.

You're the best I've ever seen. I'm decent. I'm decent. Self-taught. I'm still firmly in the amateur category, but I'm decent. Sorry, man. Hey, look, amateurs can make some great stuff. Here's the thing, though. Here's the rub.

Here's the bugaboo. When you start operating in the graphic design world, you start to learn the difference in file types, okay? Yeah, sure. JPEG. Yeah, just like a flat picture.

That's what I take with my phone. Absolutely. Yeah.

PNG. Yeah, like it's on a transparent background. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Vector image, scalable. You can get it to any resolution because it's not pixel-based.

Yeah, so I don't know anything about all that stuff, but basically if you have a PNG, you can take an image and then put whatever background you want because the background is see-through. And we love that. Here's what I don't love. I think I already know what you're going to say. When you list a file for me to download, free resource online, love that for me, as a PNG, a P-N-G. You know what the P stands for?

Photos should be see-through. And guess what? It don't stand for that. It's not.

Here's the thing. When you drop a PNG in Photoshop or in another graphics editing platform, it has that little checkerboard background. That's not actually the background.

Like Mario 3D World style. It's not actually the background. It just shows you that there is not a background. So when you render it out as a PNG, that's going to be a blank space.

Right, right. So you can put any other background. You're making sense. When you upload a PNG, it has that little checkerboard background.

It's a gamble. You're either going to get a PNG or you're going to get a JPEG with a checkerboard background. Because some jokester, some prankster, some.PNG. It's like a Weisenheimer has uploaded a fake PNG as a prank, as a goof. It irritates me.

It elevates my blood pressure more than it should. Just call it a JPEG. It's a waste of time. Just call it what it is. Don't tell me it has a transparent background and then I've got to work to get the background out of there. Yeah. Why do it first off? I don't even understand how it happens from a design standpoint.

Here's the thing. People are either dishonest or they're idiots. So they either upload it and they're like, it's a PNG, but not really. Or they're just like, I thought this was one of those PNGs. See, I thought it was like, I put.PNG in the file name, but I rendered it out as a JPEG.

They like name it.PNG and then save it as something else. It's a waste of time. Oh my gosh. Politely, respectfully, I'd like to pop you.

It's a waste of time. I'd like to just... Real quick on the notes. Because sometimes you find the image you really like and you're like, oh, I can use this. And uh-oh. Yeah. It's not the right background. I don't know what the background that's supposed to be just telling me there's no background there is actually the background. Now here's the thing.

I've developed a set of skills in Photoshop, a particular set of skills. Liam Neeson style. Liam Neeson style.

So if you drop a PNG on the internet and call it a PNG when actually it's a JPEG with the intention of pulling a little fast one, I will find your PNG and I will remove the background of your PNG. I don't know how I'm going to bring Dr. Jha into this conversation, but I want to switch gears for a second and talk about this pink stuff that keeps showing up around our office. I think it's time for... The ghost is back.

Yeah. We're going to try the ghost today on the show. I'm going to try it. I'm going to be brave. This is going to be brave.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to be stunning and brave of me. Although I think we're going to try the...

This is going to be stunning and brave of me. I think we're going to try the green apple one because I don't think Dr. Jha's going to want the... Ooh. Green apple sounds good. Really, it's like a warhead type. A warhead or whatever, like green tart sour apple, love that. Today's secret word, Ryan, before we head on over to the main segment, taciturn.

I was really hoping you'd say PNG. Taciturn is the secret word. Taciturn. The secret word... Refresh my memory on what taciturn means? Taciturn means you don't talk a whole lot. Okay. All right. Quiet, shy. It's somebody who speaks very little, very shy. All right. Taciturn.

You ever play Legend of Zelda? Link is taciturn. He is taciturn. I think Link's just mute. He could be. He could be. Taciturn.

Taciturn is the word. We're going to try to sneak that by... Secret word of the day. Yeah. Don't tell Dr. Jha now. Don't text him and tell him what the secret word is because that's the secret word. We're going to try to sneak past him in conversation.

That's right. I can't be alone in my graphics gripe, though. So write in and let me know if you've ever had an unexpected file type and it just really tanked your entire mood. 2525825028 or you can visit us online at cleaviewtodayshow.com. If you send me an image that's called a PNG and it has a background, I'm going to save your number and I'm going to spam you with disrespectful texts. Yeah, he really don't like that, y'all.

I don't like that stuff. Or you can visit us online at cleaviewtodayshow.com. We'll be back after this. Hey, Ryan. Hey, Jon. Hey, man. I'm having an awesome time doing The Clearview Today Show with you.

Thanks, man. I hope people are having an awesome time listening to it. Well, listen, I think our listeners would actually be interested to know that Clearview Today is not the only podcast we produce. Oh, do go on.

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Love it. John, you ready to hop back in? Let's do it. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abaddon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at ClearviewTodayShow.com.

If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. We're here once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abaddon Shah, who's a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor and the host of today's show, Dr. Shah. We've got some nice refreshments here in the studio today. I see you're drinking your tea.

I like that. You got a nice little bottle of water. You got this sparkly, bubbly liquid that we've been challenged to drink.

This is super. So, we talked a little bit yesterday about this new ghost that everyone's drinking, right? It turns out Melissa drinks it, too.

I didn't realize that. Melissa likes the ghost. So, this is a... What is it? An energy drink? I think it's an energy drink, but there's supposedly zero sugar.

Okay. And it's very sour. Is it? And I don't want to drink it. Is it apple? Sour green apple.

That's what this is. So, should I drink it? Yeah, let's do it on three. Ready?

You want to get a super source on this? Let's go. I like it. I kind of like it. I hate it.

Really? I hate it. I like it. I think it's good. Tastes like a Jolly Rancher.

Yeah. Do y'all like sour... You like sour candies. Do you like sour candies? I like sour candy, yeah.

Ellie loves sour candy. Maybe that's the soda for her because it's zero sugar and it's extremely sour. Are you sure it's zero sugar? It's pretty good for zero sugar. How long can it be zero sugar? That's what I'm saying. I don't understand how a lot of these zero sugar sodas work.

Like artificial sweetener taste. Zero grams of fat, zero cholesterol, 35 sodium, two carbs... 35 sodium? That's high, isn't it? No. That's not high?

No. Total sugars, zero. Includes zero grams of added sugar, zero protein. So, what makes it sweet? So, is it just water? It's like sucralose, probably. Like the fake stuff.

Sucralose is aspartame. You want to get us into the first line? I don't really like that very much.

I got nothing else. The verse of the day today comes from Matthew chapter 11 verse 6. And blessed is he who is not offended because of me. That's Jesus talking. That's Jesus talking? I know that because the words are red. Them's the important words.

Them red words. Dr. Shot, do you think anybody in the nation today is offended over Jesus? Well, I faintly recall somebody telling somebody that they were at the wrong place for saying Jesus is... I think Lord, I guess. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord.

Jesus is Lord. That was kind of crazy, right? I know that happened a few weeks back, but we didn't get a chance to really talk about it on the show.

That was insane. Ben Carson was a presidential candidate, and then he went on to become the head of HUD under President Trump. And he said about that whole incident, he said, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Great point. So, this person spoke, but I think people are like, oh, that's not what... In the moment that this happened, in the moment that happened, now there was some damage control done by going to a church and all that stuff, which was kind of weird.

For real? She did that? Or this person did that? Yeah, going to a church and kind of quoting a verse and kind of sounding preachy.

But I think that was... I found that condescending. But anyways, what Ben Carson said is out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. So when this person said what they said, it really wasn't their heart. That's such a great reminder. Like, you know, sometimes we'll say, oh, they just meant that in the moment.

They didn't really... That's not who they truly are. But sometimes those things that come to the surface in the moment, that really reveals more about a person than we'd like to imagine. Especially if you're Christian. You know, I think there's a lot of times where Christians these days are accidentally revealing themselves.

In fact, revealing themselves and revealing their hearts. In fact, we've got a Clearview Current. People have been asking where the Clearview Current has been. The Clearview Current? The Clearview Current. People have been like, hey, did y'all drop the Clearview Current?

It was like, no, we didn't drop the Clearview Current. Only thing was, everything we were talking about has been current events. So it kind of moved for a little while, while the elections were going on.

It kind of moved from a segment of the show to just being the entire show itself. Right. You know what I mean? But without further ado, ladies and gentlemen. It's time for the Clearview Current, where we cut through the chaos of today's headlines with a clear Christian perspective. We're here to keep you up to date on what's going on in the world.

That's right, Dr. Shah. There was a prestigious Methodist girl school in Melbourne. That's in Australia. Australia. Australia. Australia. Australia. Australia.

Right down under. And this is a Methodist girl school now. This ain't like a public school. This ain't like a liberal university. This is a Methodist school. And it says, hey, girls, girls, we need y'all to take them crosses off y'all's necklaces because that can be offensive to other students. Now what in the world is that? Yeah.

I mean, just think about that for a moment. And I'm seeing if I can find some info on that school and just kind of throw it up there. And this is in Australia, if I'm not wrong. The Melbourne? It's the Melbourne Methodist Ladies College. I think you're supposed to say Melbourne.

But Melbourne? Yeah. They get real. They get real.

Australians get real antsy. Right. The Melbourne Methodist Ladies College.

But that's what I'm saying. This is a Wesleyan Methodist Church and it's been there since 1882. And there are, I mean, I'm sorry, a Methodist school, I should say.

It was founded by the Wesleyan Methodist Church, yes. But they're telling their girls that you've got to take off your cross necklaces because it could be offensive to other students. How does that happen in a Christian school?

Yeah. So they have this interview where it says, they're interviewing one of the students. She says, my friend was wearing a cross and there was another girl in our class who said she found the cross really offensive. And so the teacher told her to take it off.

So do you send your kids to a Christian school, even if they're not Christians, and then make the Christians their lives harder? Does that happen? Welcome to Australia. This is an Australian thing. I mean, and we saw this in 2020 and during the pandemic, some of the strictest and harshest laws against people, churches, faith community came in Australia.

I really didn't know that. Yeah. People were arrested. You know, family members were taken away.

I mean, it's just weird stuff. I can hardly remember now, but it was like Australia? I thought these people were like, you know, just like they're ready to go and fight for freedom and whatnot. But Australia? Yeah. I guess. Yeah. That's crazy. Intense religious persecution. Yeah.

I really, I didn't know that. And I was, I was under the impression that this is supposed to be a religious school. And yet they're taking this minority opinion of this, of this one student over the mainstream, like the actual students who are there for religious purposes.

Yeah. So listen to what the, this is a spokesperson for the school. They're being interviewed for the school's position. They say, we are deeply committed to fostering a culture of inclusion, respect, and diversity.

Our Christian heritage serves as a foundation for welcoming individuals of all faiths, cultures, and backgrounds, fostering an environment where every student is supported in expressing their identity and beliefs. So maybe. Okay. Okay. If you want to have that as your mindset for your school. Right.

No problem. If you want to have students who are not Christians attend your Methodist school, fine. But then don't discriminate against the students who are Christians and tell them they can't wear jewelry that displays their faith.

I know this is a hot take. And by that, I mean, this is, this, this really is just common sense, but, but I am under the impression that inclusion means, Hey, you're welcome. You're welcome to come in.

It doesn't mean that you come in and start excluding the norms here. So like for instance, at our church, everyone is welcome. People are welcome in, but there's this understanding that these are our beliefs. This is where we stand. We have a new members class where people come in where they're told, these are all the big major things that we believe. And here's the final authority on what we believe, which is our pastor. This is, this is setting the tone for your relationship with us as a church. And if you don't agree to any of this stuff, you probably won't get a lot out of your time here. Right. Right. And I think what's, what's happening here is same thing that happens with churches where didn't you say you're loving and welcome to all people? Well, I am, let's just say homosexual or transgender. You're not loving and welcoming me.

So how, what do you do with that? Because on one hand it's like, yes, loving and welcoming, but doesn't mean that your value system is wholeheartedly wholesale accepted. Right. Right. But loving and accepting you as a person, not necessarily your personal ideology or your behavior or your wrong idea of life. Right. Because we love you as a person and we believe the Bible to be true.

We cannot lovingly condone the sin in your life that the Bible calls sin. You were, you were the principal of a Christian school for a number of years. I was.

Yeah. If, if this had happened, I mean, I know that was maybe what, 20 something, how, how, how many years ago would you think that was? That was about 15 years ago. 15 years ago. Just about, just about. Times may have been different, but if, if someone had come to you and said, Hey, I know this is a Christian school, but the cross necklaces are very offensive to my, my kid.

How do you handle something like that? Well, it began even back then with a, with one of the teachers there. For real? Yeah. Wow.

And, and it was because, uh, the mascot was crusader. Okay. All right. So. I went to a Christian school where the mascot was a crusader. Right.

The Christian crusader. Right. Okay. So this person came to me and said, you know, maybe we need to get rid of that. I said, why do you want to get rid of that? It's because crusaders and all the bad history and all the terrible things that they've done to the ages. And maybe, you know, it's not what we want to tell the world that this is who we are.

I said, I do understand what you're saying. I don't think any of us here are, you know, looking at that crusader as like going and kill, marauding and killing, uh, Muslim and Jewish people all the way to Jerusalem. Right. You know, I don't think that's what we're thinking. We're thinking more in the sense of, you know, these are fighters standing up for the faith, uh, loyal to Jesus Christ. That's how we're looking at this. Not like with, with swords and shields, but more armed with the putting on the whole armor of God, armed with the sword of the spirit.

So that's, I think we're thinking like that. And also I say, if you do want to talk about the history of a crusades, you know, like Rodney Stark, I think it's the one who, the thing on this crusades, um, yes, there were some crusades that really went off the deep end. There were some crusades.

I mean, it's like a might as well as let out a prison and of the worst criminals and put them out there. I mean, that's, it was not good, but many of them went there for the right reasons, right? Because our brothers and sisters in Christ were being, uh, killed and, and, and destroyed. And so Christians from the West went to help the Christians in the East.

There was a great episode that we did a long while back, uh, I think it was called while the church sleeps and it was a, it was based on a message you did, uh, when you were the president or the, the, the, I was the moderator of the column Baptist association, which is no longer existing a few years after I left, uh, or after I was off the position of moderate moderator, they, um, they, they abandoned that, um, that message. And eventually that episode that we did, I think did a really great job of detailing just how pervasive that, that Muslim spread of Islam was. And it was, it was taking over everything very rapidly and very violently. And I think people don't, I think they see the crusades and I mean this kind of off topic, but in the, in so far as Christian imagery being offensive, I think they see crusades as oppressed oppressor and it's completely reversed because they don't understand how rapidly and violently Islam was spreading.

Right. And this, uh, as the council of Toledo, Toledo, Spain was going on, Muslim armies kept marching and kept marching, kept marching until they were right on their doorstep. And if, um, um, the Kings of, um, the Europe had not stood up and fought against them like Charles Martel and others, uh, this world would look very different.

Europe, Europe would be very different. So anyways, all that to say, yes, there have, there were some of the crusades. Cause we think when we think about the crusades, we think only like one group of people one time going in a mass numbers. You know, crusades went in different shifts and regiments who went out, uh, there was even a kid's army.

I don't know if y'all knew that a bunch of children like Asher, Holden, they didn't get very far, but they decided to go fight for the holy city. I did not know that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then they didn't get far. Yeah. I wonder, I mean, you've got people who are looking at crosses and saying that offends me.

You need to take it off. I wonder if the language would be switched if it was a Muslim symbol or if it was a pagan symbol or if it, you know, if it was any other religion, would the outcry still be there and would they have to bow to that? Why is it Christianity? Right. I mean, come to India, which when I was growing up was a very secular state, which was good. Secularism there was good because we all, uh, had our freedoms and people understood that.

It's like, Oh, you're a Christian. Okay. That's fine. That's what you do. You're Hindu. Not, not, not everybody did that. There were a lot of Hindus who were becoming more and more nationalists and then were Muslims most of the time.

Okay. But then there were certain regions in certain cities and in parts of the country where the Muslims were sorta violent against other faiths, especially Christians. But overall Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, uh, was tolerated.

Everybody, everybody could live together. Was that the case in your school as well? In your, in, uh, I went to a Christian school, a Catholic school, and, uh, in the Catholic school we had, I mean, the Catholics and Christians really were the minority. We were not that many, uh, but, um, majority of the people were Hindus or Sikhs and, you know, or, you know, Muslims. Uh, and, but we got along very well. We understood, of course it didn't bother me because I was a Christian, even the Protestant.

But other people didn't have problems. I mean, they celebrated, they celebrated Christmas. They celebrated Easter with us. Um, we had some of the Hindu festivals and Muslim days off. So that was not a problem either.

It's like, oh, great. Diwali. Well, the school was teaching Christian doctrine, not Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, they weren't teaching those things. They were not teaching doctrine at all, to be honest. Oh, really? It was just a school? No, they taught me evolution. Really? Yeah. Wow. I grew up learning evolution.

Okay. If you were to walk with me, uh, to our science lab where I went to school, Central Oceans High. And all the, the, the, what do you call the, the heads or whatever, you know, the sculpture skulls and like the, you know, something, something, man, I could never get it right.

Cause it's such a long name. But I remember it's, I'm all sitting on top of these shelves all across the top of our biology lab. So I have a question and maybe this is, maybe you can kind of shed some light on this as an educator and like as a teacher, cause you've been in education for a long time, right? There's there's a lens with which I think a lot of people will view this, which is a pastor lens, which is to say, if someone came to my church and said, you can't wear the cross necklace as a pastor, I would stand up and say, no, you can wear the cross necklace because I'm the pastor.

And I, okay. As a teacher in a school setting, is there a difference? Even if it's a Christian school, do you, do you have to approach it differently or can you stand up and say, no, we're going to wear cross necklaces.

That's fine. I mean, do we tell a Muslim teacher to take off her hijab? No, we won't, we will say that's fine. If a Mennonite teacher came to the school and she wanted to wear, you know, how the Mennonite wear their, their little head coverings, would that be a problem?

No, it'd be fine. Even at a Christian school, you're saying? Even at a Christian school. Okay. And as long as they're open to hiring.

Right. Now, Christian schools usually will not hire people of other faiths. Catholic schools may hire, okay, most of them that I knew growing up were more open. Here I don't know how it is, but they're more open to hiring outside teachers who are not Catholics. But unless it's like a Christian school, that's where definitely the teachers are Christian. Yeah. I wonder if it, you know, typically you think of Christians as unwilling to fight back.

I mean, we, we are often the ones who are picked on and maybe that's because Christians throughout history have been just quiet, have kept to themselves, have been meager or taciturn when it comes to defending these values. He gives you away. He gives you away. He gives you away. I was keeping the smile off my face.

He gives you away. I did not smile. Taciturn was a pretty tough one to work in the company.

Taciturn was rough. I didn't even hear that. Did you say that? I did. I just saw his smiling face. There's no way. You got to roll the tape.

You got to roll the tape back. He was smiling. He was smiling.

He was smiling. I'm trying. It's so hard. It's funny.

It's, it's fun. I love the word. I love the secret word.

Go ahead. Anyway, the word of the day was taciturn. It was taciturn. I didn't even hear that.

All I heard was like meager something. I was like, smile, shy or unwilling to speak up about certain things, which unfortunately has been characteristic of Christians throughout history. I wonder if that's why Christians are often the ones who are like, you have to do this.

You have to take the cross off. You have to, because we have always been, you know, following Jesus's command to love your neighbor as yourself. So we, we are willing to say, let's put ourselves in their shoes. We do that. That's not the way the other side sees us. Now. I know Christians haven't always done that.

I totally agree. There have been times where some Christians have been very mean towards outsiders. And if you read scripture carefully, right, you read the Bible carefully. God told his people, the people of Israel, to treat the foreigners with love and compassion. And I'm paraphrasing. And the reason you do that is because you too were strangers in a foreign land.

So do that. Did you know that even in the millennium, millennial kingdom, all right, millennial kingdom, now we're talking about the thousand year rule on earth where the Jewish people are given the land, the promised land and all of that. Did you know that even in the millennial kingdom, the stranger is given just, just the ability to have a good life? I mean, can I read that passage? So I want us to understand how much our ethics or ethical system comes from the scriptures of loving your neighbor.

So here it is. This is Ezekiel chapter 47, verse 21. Thus you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. So if it's tribes, we know this is not the new heavens and new earth, this is the millennial kingdom, right?

Thousand years where God is going to fulfill his promises to ethnic Israel. It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native born among the children of Israel.

They shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel and it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance as the Lord God. What other religion does that? Now, yeah, there have been times Muslims have made space for Hindus and Christians.

There have been times Hindus have made space for Muslims and Christians and other religions, but overall they don't do that. So I would suggest to these schools in Australia, who are especially Christian schools, that hey, don't compromise your values, welcome people, don't compromise them. I would also say to schools in general, whether they are in Australia or in America or anywhere else, if there are Christian students who want to wear the cross, let them wear the cross. Does that mean can somebody wear a Nazi symbol? How is my cross offending you versus a Nazi symbol? Well, the cross, people have used the cross and abused it. Right.

I get it. There are people who are abused it, but overall that's not the meaning. It's core meaning. In Nazi symbols, core meaning is hate, right? It's hate.

So you cannot equate those two. That's true. That's a great point.

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