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Like a Southern accent? Say the word F-O-R-W-A-R-D. Forward. Forward.
Well, how do you say it? Forward. Forward. Forward.
I know. Fard. Fard. Fard. We're going fard. I like it. No, I like it.
It's cute. Yeah, we're going to go fard. Fard. Forward.
Fard. Forward. Now you're going to overthink it.
Don't overthink it. I've been going forward. I like it. No, I like it. I don't get to hear your accent very much, so I like it when it comes out. Yeah, I've tried really hard over the years to get rid of it.
I don't know why. When I was in high school, I tried really hard to adopt that harsh Southern California Blink 182 and just shed that Southern accent, but sometimes it's... Real hard Rs. Yeah, real hard Rs. We're just partying hard. Everything out here, we're just partying hard.
It almost starts to sound like a Wisconsin accent. But no, I was playing some games with Gavin last night. He's starting to want to play more intense games.
I want to mean that. He's been pretty serious about that Switch the last few times I've seen him. He loves the Switch. He loves the Switch. We've been playing some Mario versus Donkey Kong like puzzles. Love that.
He has to play Luigi's Mansion. I said, but let's not be too brave. That sounds intense. That was a little intense. It's a little scary.
It's a little scary for me. But he's been wanting to play more and more intense games. And so Echoes of Wisdom is out, the Legend of Zelda sequel to Link's Awakening. And I said, do I really want to introduce him to RPGs this early? Because you and I have had this discussion because I don't know which type of RPG player he's going to be. For you guys listening out there, RPGs are role-playing games. So Legend of Zelda, you have a limited option because you're going to play as Link.
You're going to step into a character. But so there are some RPGs, in fact, many RPGs that put you in the seat of a character creator. That's sort of what makes it an RPG, right? You, you craft the role that you're stepping into, right?
Right. That's, I would say Legend of Zelda is a soft RPG. Most games, you know, most video games that you think of your Mario, Donkey Kong, Sonic the Hedgehog, Halo, you play as a character, right? But there are some that are like, Hey, you're going to make this character. You create the character. Now I like those games, but here's what I'm going to say.
There's two types of RPG players that do that. And Ryan knows they're sitting at this table. There's one who's like, I'm all in. I've got a backstory. I've got lore.
I've got, I've got my, I've got my character. He, he, I know what he likes. I know what class he is. He's a two handed battle acts, mage named Vexinixis, the conqueror. That's, that's Ryan Ryan's all in it. He's like, I'm the, what is it?
The, the archmage of the college of Winterhold. And that is, that is who I am. Me, I like it deep, deep down that my true self, I really liked those games, but I understand how nerdy they are. So I'm a little embarrassed to like it.
So you have to make fun of it a little bit. So like I would play as like a Ms. Pidlin. I would play as a Dr. Dink if you will. Dr. Dink gets me every time. Dr. Dink made his, uh, his debut when I played Wind Waker. I played as Link and I named myself Dr. Dink. And then, oh, that's cute.
Cause you're Link, but you're Dr. Dink. And in Dragon Age, Ryan gave me the game Dragon Age Inquisition. And as soon as I started playing it, I was like, oh, this is one of those RPGs where it's like, you're really creating a backstory. You're diving into the story. I was like, if anybody found out that I was playing this and liking it, I would get made fun of. So I have to make fun of this and play it ironically.
So I'm Dr. Dink. I think, I don't know if it was like growing up, um, through the latter part of high school, I was in show choir. So we were kind of like, I mean, if you've seen the show Glee or like you understand the concept of Glee, like show choir kids get made fun of. That's just, it's just part and parcel.
Right. They just get made fun of. Um, so I don't know if I just like grown a thicker skin to that, but you could think that I'm a nerd for playing. I am a nerd for playing those games and I don't care. There's something about theater kids where they get made fun of, but for some reason they don't care. Band kids say I was a band kid and they get made fun of and they care a lot.
They're like, no, no, no. I'm, I'm just as cool as the football players. I promise.
I was a theater kid. Yeah. I was like, no, I'm not as cool as football players. Absolutely not.
But, but you were going to come watch the show. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know why it is. I don't know why theater kids are, are so impervious to, uh, caring about what other people think. They just embrace what they like. I like that about theater kids. They like, I wish I could be that, but me, it's like, I know I like this. I love RPGs. I'm not gonna lie to you, but if someone who I perceived as cool asked me like, Hey, do you like that? I'd be like, dude, I watched sports ball. I watched the shooty hoops. So that's those are the two types of RPG players.
I want to ask Dr. Shock cause I, I can't imagine him sitting down to play. I know he's talked about video games on the show before like metal gear solid, which I don't think that really, that's an RPG platform action. It's like a stealth action game, but you're snake. Like you're, you're, it's his story, right? You're not crafting history.
I don't see him getting into that, but maybe I could be wrong. Yep. All right. RPG players. We know you're out there. Write in and let us know which type of RPG player you are.
Do you love it on a shamed Lee or are you a little bit of bear secretly love it, but are embarrassed to tell people write in and let us know two five two five eight two five zero two eight. Or you can visit us online at clear view today.com. We'll be right back. Hello, Clearview family.
I'm Nicole and I'm David. And we want to talk to you today about the Clearview app. You know, there are so many churches out there that put their sermons on YouTube and their announcements on Facebook and their prayer list on Periscope.
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You can visit us online at Clearview today show.com or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. And we're here in the Clearview today studio with Dr. Abhijan Shah, who is a PhD in new Testament textual criticism professor at Carolina university, author, full time pastor and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, let's say you were playing an RPG, right? A role playing game. Okay. Okay. I'm glad you clarified that. I don't know what that means. I thought RPG is as in like a rocket propelled grenade.
Let's say you were playing with one of those. This is a game that is like you come up with your own character, your own backstory, uh, like a dragon age or like a mass effect or something like that, where you can kind of contribute, you create a character and build your character. Okay. Do you take it very seriously and come up with like, come up with like a lore? What was that laugh? I just, cause I already know the answer.
I already know the answer. Do you take it seriously or do you like, I'm going to participate, but I'm going to also kind of make fun of what I'm doing. I will do it very seriously. Really? Yeah. That is like a role playing game and you're building a character.
Oh yeah. I used to play Sim city. Sim city is a great game.
You never heard of Sim city? Yeah. I remember when Sim city launched. Yeah.
That's crazy. You remember when Sim city was launched? Are you talking about the Sims or Sim city?
Sim city. Yeah. That was in like the, when that or in the early two thousands or something like that. Yeah. Okay. Cause they had that huge server problem. I never played it though. Yeah.
I played on computer and I was serious about building those cities and making sure everything was well taken care of. I want my people to be happy. Give them entertainment. Exactly.
At the same time, make them worse. If you start playing dragon age, what's the one that you gave me? Inquisition? Like, like let's say you're a, you're a, you're a, they say, all right, dr. Shaw, you're going to be a level one.
I'm barred. Okay. And you come from this village and, and you know, what is your, you start filling in like all those details. You get into it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Here's how they work in the world. So you would like make it, make it goofy. So yes, Ryan gave me a name. Ryan gave me a game that's a dragon age and I started playing it, but it's like, you're sorta embarrassed to be playing the RPG. It was a very heavy story. Like you step into the story.
You make your character look really goofy and you, and I named him dr. Ding. The thing isn't, I, I, I'm not actually opposed to it. I actually want to do it. It's kind of the same with anime. Like if you ever watch anime, if people find out, they will make fun of you for that. So you always downplay it and you're like, I watch dragon ball cause everyone's allowed to watch dragon ball and it's like, I don't watch Pokemon. And then that's about it.
That's all. They're like, you didn't watch Yu-Gi-Oh, did you? And it's like, ah, yeah, I'll watch it.
Yasha. I want to watch demon hunter. Probably watch rerunning kitchen. This dude watches bleach. No, I don't. I don't want to see that's. That's the thing.
You always play it way cooler and that's how I am with the RPGs. Yeah. Um, before we read the verse of the day, I did want to just let you know what time it is.
Cause we got something really fun that I have to read on the show. You want to take the song? You got it. Here's the mail and never fails and makes me want to wag my tail when it comes.
I want to wear this one's coming from our good friend Mike S right here from North Carolina. Oh yeah. Mike, what do you think the S might stand for this week? This guy writes into us a lot, but we got to give him a new name every week.
Come on big man. Santiago. Mike Santiago writes, what's happening fam? I listened to the episode last week with the, did I do that segment about David's literal train wreck and I felt the need to respond. David's a great guy. I respect him, but he let me down and not because he made the same mistake twice. I've been there.
We all probably have, but it was that specific mistake that was made. See, there are unspoken rules of manhood that are learned as we grow as men. For example, when you tie something down to a truck or a trailer, it's required that you give a minimum of two good tugs on the straps before audibly saying that's not going anywhere. The same rule applies and David has not heard this by the way.
The same rule applies when attaching a trailer hitch, a minimum of two vertical tugs, deadlifts, if you will, followed by a, followed by an audible she's on there good. David failed to follow this rule and it has me concerned. I feel like a short back to basics exams in order. I've got some suggestions.
So hold on before you go any further. Cause I read this message too. Do we need to get the items for that exam? Or is this going to be provided? That's what something that Mike Santiago would have to, would have to, I think he'd have to sign off on.
Yeah. You'd have to sign off on that. Uh, I've got, man, I've got some suggestions. Get a few items, but don't show them what they are. Tell him you're going to hand him each one, each item one at a time. And he only has to hold and handle it for about five to 10 seconds. Nothing else.
See how he responds. Item one, grill tongs expected outcome. He must give them two clicks upon grabbing them. So you grab your glue. You got to make sure the tongues work.
I agree with that. Number two, a drill like the tongs. He must give two good test pulls on the trigger to ensure where I do that. If I pull up a drill, got to bonus points. If he does it in reverse also number three, a toy gun, look for the cowboy spinning on the finger point deduction. If he simply points it at someone, I'll give David this.
I think he's, if you give him a toy gun, he's going to spin it a hundred percent. Number four, a ball football, basketball, baseball, your choice. The type of ball chosen determines the action required. Spiral toss in the air, spin on the finger, toss back and forth between the hands, et cetera. Nicholas would be the judge of acceptable actions based on the ball chosen to check out the bro code challenge on Instagram.
For more examples, Mike Santiago, the bro code challenge. You got destroyed by Mike Santiago. And I think it's justified after the, you know, it's, it's funny Dr. Chuck, cause that train thing happened.
It's like you have to wait years for the comeuppance to finally happen. But now that it's out in the public, I feel like the tide is turning in a way that's pretty good. Explain for our listeners what the train thing is. Yes.
If you didn't listen to last week's episode or yeah, it was an episode last week where we talked about that. David, we, we got a toy train. When I say toy train, I mean like an actual drivable train to drive on a lawnmower, a John Deere lawnmower. Yeah. It looks great. Kids loved it. Kids.
Absolutely. We've had it at VBS almost every year. The first year we had it, David didn't hitch it properly and it came on hitch. And so when we slammed on the brakes, it slammed it to the back of the truck.
I fixed it. David went back out and did the same mistake later that same exact day. Like the, the same mistake twice to a train that we didn't, uh, that we didn't own. Yeah. Yeah.
And, and costs cosmetic damage as well as structural damage. I mean, the, the, the electrical wiring that you stayed up all night, learning how to fix was then again, broke. Well, it's that dread, you know what I mean? Like you damage something, what you think is irreparably and that you don't own it. And so now you have to have that hard conversation.
Like, Hey, here's what happened here, but we fixed it. Yep. So it's like, okay.
All that dread goes away. Boom. I can't win.
I don't know what to do. Remember we were over there in the dark, like nine, 10 o'clock at night, trying to shine the flashlight and look at all the wiring and stuff. Yep.
I remember that very well. Laying on the ground. It's like mid August. It's hot.
Everyone's sweating. Yeah. Oh yeah. Everybody's wet and sticky. Anyway, Mike Santiago, thank you for your email or thank you for your text. I should say, if you want to send your text in for what maybe a public punishment could be, I'm not going to go for flogging, but, uh, we could, we could maybe. Yeah.
Yeah. 2 5 2 5 8 2 5 0 2 8. The verse of the day today is coming to us from Romans chapter 10, verse 15. And how should they preach unless they are sent as it is written, how beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things. Let me, let me see your feet for just a second. Oh, I thought he was going to do it.
I thought he was going to tickle me. How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace. Yeah.
They're, they're beautiful feet for sure. But also I would say, sorry, you can cut that if you want. I do love that your sermons are very positive. You know what I mean? Your sermons, you're not a fire and brimstone preacher. And what I mean by that is you preach on the reality of hell. You preach on the reality of sin, but there's always hope. Every mess. And here's something I really, really respect about you and your preaching.
Now it feels normal, but at the time when I was learning it about you, it felt really revolutionary. Every message includes and I would say ends with the cross. Yeah.
Right. Always come back to the cross. I learned that a long time ago, reading a book on a title, the effective invitation. Maybe it's one that our readers, our listeners and viewers can probably benefit from, especially if you're in ministry, the effective invitation by Allen street.
And in this book, he, I think it's like almost seems like an overkill because he does the whole history of invitation and how things have changed, you know, the, you know, uh, the mourners bench and walking down the sawdust trail. And then today come forward and pray. And then some people say, no, I don't know if I'm, I'm into coming forward and praying. So, but nonetheless, in that book, I learned the importance of how you lead every message into, or every sermon into that invitation. And the invitation cannot just be like, Hey, just come and pray. Right.
It has to have a very specific action step. And there can be no other action step more important than coming and receiving Christ as your savior and as your King. That's true.
And savior means come to the cross. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, one of the things that I really like about our invitations is that there's weight and there's a gravity put on them and, and working in other churches and seeing, or, or even just attending other churches that I've seen invitation seems to be, and I don't know, maybe you can kind of talk on how this came to be, but invitation seems like an afterthought. Yeah. It seems like this is something, and I think I've even been guilty of treating it like an afterthought because it's a shorter song, quote unquote, it's a shorter song that I don't have to put as much thought into. It's the punctuation to service. Right.
It's, it's what's expected. So you can play that short song, let the people pray and then move on. Yeah.
But invitation really, it likes, like you said, it's the action step is what I'm wanting. I love that. I love that your sermons always end with pointing people to the cross, calling people to get saved because then it's like, this is what everything has been leading to.
Not just this is, we're going to tag this on the end. No, this is, this was always the destination and everything drives toward that. Everything builds toward that. That's right. I've learned a lot from that book and I really encourage people just to listen to that book and, and, or, or, or read that book because it will help you be more focused and more purposeful in what you're doing.
And it has definitely helped me. Yeah. You know, talking about invitation, especially in a church service, when, you know, what can we do Dr. Shah to make sure that the intent, that the intentionality is there, but also that invitation is doing what we want it to do.
You know, how do we make it just not the song at the end of the service? Yeah. Again, I know this is an overused word, intentionality. People say that just if you don't have anything else to say, you can say, you gotta be intentional about it. Yeah.
Just gotta be intentional. But I think that's what we're saying here is that you need to be intentional and your intention should be, how can you lead that person closer to Christ? If they're not saved, this is bringing them to Christ.
If they are saved, this is bringing them closer in their walk with Christ. So the book that I was just talking about is this one right here. It's called The Effective Invitation. I read this book years ago, as you can see.
It's marked up all over the place. And this is written by Alan Street. I met him years ago.
I would say 15 years ago is when I met him. But this book came out in 1984 and it does a great job in giving us the history of invitation and then what makes a good invitation. And then also dealing with people who say invitation is unnecessary or it's not how God works. You know, people's theology gets in the way of invitation. That's a good point. When people do the, you know, man, just close the sermon.
It's done. People do that. Really? Doesn't it just be like, just be like close the sermon and then everybody's just dismissed? Yes.
Because it's a theology issue. Are you calling people? Are you persuading people?
Are you getting them to be converted? Shouldn't I? No, not in their theology you shouldn't.
I have heard that. I visited a friend's church one time that just like the sermon was just cold stop and we just, that was it. I was like, are we, what? Because I grew up in a church that did invitation, but visiting his church, I was like, are we not doing an invitation? So they would really genuinely say, you should not persuade people to follow Christ. They should just come to that. I mean, what is the sermon doing then? Is that just feeding the Christians? Maybe it's even speaking to the lost, but to give them an invitation, they would say, who gives you the right to give an invitation?
What do you mean giving an invitation? Okay. I genuinely didn't know that was a theological issue for people. Oh, yes.
Yes, yes, yes. Big time for some people. So I think this is a well needed corrective. Which seems like a wild concept to us. I mean, partially because we operate in that world every weekend and Dr. Shaw, we're used to your preaching style where that does end in invitation, but theologically, I mean, we do believe that you invite people to respond. Like, here's the gospel. It's both a declaration and a demand for a response. I mean, I genuinely thought like in the Bible, the disciples did that.
They went around and they persuaded people to believe in Jesus Christ. I agree. I agree with you.
I guess I'm just having a hard time. It's one of the weird things. Ever since starting this show, Dr. Shaw, over the past two years, I've learned about some of the craziest doctrines I've ever encountered. And it's almost like any doctrine you can imagine, someone out there actually believes it and will fight for it. But when we're talking about invitation, I know that a lot of times people who are either leading the music or are just kind of around, or even if they're just sitting in the pews, they have this idea that this, again, this is just how we close.
This is, you know, and even maybe they understand we're giving cheap people a chance to respond. But do you feel that invitations across churches in America don't get the gravity that they're supposed to have? Because it's become tradition. So that's just a way we end our services and our time together is by invitation. So the man stays up there and then he will say a few words, pray, music starts, people do something. At the end of that, music stops.
And then we make a few nonchalant remarks and then people leave. And so that has become a tradition, but that's not what it's supposed to be. That's not what it was intended to be.
It was intended to be now that you heard the message, here's your response. So again, it goes back to theology. What is the gospel for you? And Street over here explains, among many things he says, you know, it talks about the prophecies that were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus, and that Jesus was born of the seed of David, and he died for our sins. And he was buried, he rose again the third day, and he is at the right hand of the Father. And he's coming back as the judge and savior of men. This is the gospel. Judge and savior, now you have to decide. What are you going to believe? If you're going to stand before the judge and savior, are you going to confess him as your savior? Then are you ready to face him as your judge? That's the heart of invitation.
Very true. And how do you, what is there, what encouragement would you have for people who were like, well, the invitation that's for people who aren't saved, I'm saved. So I guess I could just sing the song or really I could just make my way up out of here. You're probably hindering somebody else because that person who is thinking I need to go forward, when they see you turn around and make your way back, sometimes I believe the enemy tells them, hey, you can go back too. And so they start walking and then they turn and walk out the door, which is completely opposite of what they initially started out doing. Yeah, 100%, 100%. But the enemy works just like God works in mysterious ways. So also the enemy works in mysterious ways. You know, I love that you, you say that because he will work in those moments. And a lot of people out there will fight against that. And I have seen people fight against that where they say, you know, don't, don't serve us a moment. You know, don't try to create a moment, but God works in those moments. There's, there's no reason that we would play music under the invitation and that you would soften your tone and you would tell people now's your chance.
And you would put that gentle pressure on them. If we're not serving a moment, then what are we doing? Right.
You know what I mean? Sometimes that whole concept of creating the moment so that people will respond has been looked upon as a creation of the 19th century, where people like Finney or D.L. Moody, and then coming into the 20th century with Billy Graham and others, it's almost, you know, treated as if this was a modern day movement creating the moment.
I mean, if you grew up in Christian circles, I'm sure you've heard of how Billy Graham, when he gave invitations, he had his people who were in the wings, sort of ready to walk down and they would walk down and, and that was sort of an impetus for the others to also come down. And so yeah, he did that, but he did that so that it would be an encouragement for people to come forward. Well, even then, if it, let's just say it was an invention of the 19th century. Is that a problem?
You know, is it only good if it's historical? Yeah. Well, only problem with that is it wasn't. It wasn't an invitation. Now coming down a sawdust trail, a sawdust trail, I'm sure they didn't have a sawdust trail in Rome or in Antioch or in Alexandria, Egypt or in Jerusalem, Israel in the first century, but they did have a time of invitation.
Okay. Now I'm just kind of going through Alan Street's book and he talks about how in the early, early part, there were invitations, but then with the coming of Constantine, which I don't have a problem with, by the way, I know I'm a minority there when I say that I don't have a problem with Constantine because in the West among Protestants, Constantine is looked upon as being this guy who messed up the beauty of Christianity. Christianity was so calm as you are and whoever you are, you have the right and the opportunity to respond. And then constant comes and makes it a state religion.
And then it's all gone. Maybe. I don't think it was quite that simple, but with the coming of Constantine with state religion, everybody was sort of state. If you were in the state, then you were a Christian. So not much need for an invitation. Yeah, because I'm already in. Yeah, everybody here is Christian and if not, you're in big trouble.
I'm already there. Good point. So, but yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that Christianity is an inviting religion. True.
Very true. And so other pastors and preachers like Gregory of Nazianzus, this is one of the Cappadocian Fathers. Chrysostom, I was in Hagia Sophia last year and standing in that huge, which is a mosque, which was a church, kind of a rebuilt church. But just think for a moment, this is the place where Chrysostom stood. And according to some estimates, as many as 100,000 people were there worshiping. Chrysostom in a sense had that invitation.
They didn't like walk down, but they had an application point. This is how you apply God's Word. That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. The invitation matters. So think critically about your invitation in your services and if you're not doing one, I'd encourage you to think about adding one to your service. Write in and let us know what you got away from today's episode, 2525825028. Or you can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com. Don't forget, you can partner with us financially on that same website. Become one of our giving partners and a part of what Clear View Today is doing to reach the nations with the gospel of Jesus. John, anything you want to plug as our show closes?
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