Thursday, October 10th | Heaven Here and Now... Here and Now

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We're a product of our generation. Great, great news on the album front. The digital distribution has been finalized. That doesn't mean it's available.

No, it's not available yet. Well, actually, when does this episode air? This is the 10th, so it will be available in three days. Three days from when you're listening to this. Three days! Oh, my.

Shout out to SpongeBob. It took me three days to make that potato salad. Three days! Three days! You know when Jesus rose to life? Three days!

No, but it's for real. The album is coming out three days from now. iTunes, Spotify, Rhapsody, Amazon, Sirius XM.

It's going to be anywhere digital music is distributed. Mark your calendars, set your watches. Yeah, and that leads me into today's gripe vine. I'm going to gripe about the album.

Oh. Welcome to the gripe vine. Do we gripe about the album that hasn't come out yet? Yes, I'm going to gripe about the production of the album.

Oh, okay. I've been holding this in. Here's why I've been holding onto this, because a lot of people behind the scenes have worked hard and given and supported the church and supported the worship team to make this album happen.

So I've been holding onto this, but now that it's almost out, I feel like I can say it. The process behind us, every time you see people recording on TV, on YouTube, on Twitter, or on TikTok or whatever, the recording studio, it looks like a fun, bumping, creative, magical process. It's boring as heck. That's not the direction I was expecting this to go.

It's so boring. I was tricked, Ross Geller style. I've been duped.

I was tricked by all those people. So when you see artists in the recording studio, you see snippets of it. They're singing, they're feeling it. They're like, nah, let me just try this. Let me just try one more time.

Go ahead. Cut the music up. Play it back again. And everybody's sitting around, they're all partying in the booth. They're like, yeah. Or even in Christian movies and stuff, when they're in the recording studio, they're like, man, they're feeling it.

They're vibing. The reality of recording an album is you sit on a couch and you listen to 15 seconds of audio for eight hours at a time. Yeah, it's grueling. It's grueling.

And it seems weird because it's like, are you... It comes out to be such a magical, creative, special, emotional thing, but you never get that during the process. No, it's so tedious and so drawn out.

I agree with you. I only went up one time to the recording studio, but I know you went tons more than that. And that one time I was like, I mean, this is cool. It's cool to see the guys work and it's cool to see the process, but like... It's like, what am I doing? What is happening? I'm just sitting on... Most of the time I was just sitting. You were just sitting there.

You're sitting there. And then I think you recorded for maybe what? A half hour?

Maybe 45 minutes? Yeah. And then that was it. And that was it. That was it for the day.

We did some group vocals later that day, but yeah, the actual in the recording studio, it was like 30 to 45 minutes. And don't get me wrong, the producers are working. Oh yeah, they're working hard.

They're working hard. But while they're working, there's not really anything you can do. What can you do? So you're just kind of like waiting. You can't contribute. And unless they're asking you, hey, I need you to go in the boat, try this, do a harmony here.

Unless it's your turn to do something, you are doing nothing. Also, the timeframe is very misleading. Like when you're watching something on TV, you think like, oh, 30 minutes, maybe like two or three hours, they have a masterpiece in the studio. Yeah, right.

No, no, no. It's days, if not longer. For a one song, it could take like a week to two weeks just to do one song. We did a 10 song album. And plus we were, see, it's another thing, too, because we could have gone up there all in one and just booked like, all right, we're going to take a month of your time and do these 10 songs. But you got like, this is a church. This is like a four guy, a four people band. We have life that needs to continue happening. Yeah. So whereas normal people have like a drummer, a bassist, it might be four or five guys.

We have like 30 people, all of them with jobs, most of them with kids, families and stuff. So they got to ask off work. So I mean, it took like half a year to record it. The recording studio we went to was also not right around the corner. No, it's like three hours away in Charlotte, North Carolina. So anyway, the whole thing was to say, I'm very, very grateful for everything that happened.

I'm very grateful for all that. But it is a, if you go into it- The gripe really is against Hollywood. Yeah, true. Because we were misled. We were misled.

We were lied to. If you are thinking about going into getting an album professionally recorded, number one, you should do it. But no, going in, it's not the fun adventure you think you're going to have. It's the fun product. It's the fun finish line. Yeah. But it is a process.

Yeah, yeah. You have to wait like half a year to get that magical, like you listen to the album and everything comes together. And you don't even do that in the studio.

They send you the masters and stuff. So that's my gripe. That's my gripe. Hollywood.

Write in and tell us what's up. You know, Dr. Chuck could have told us that. He worked in a studio for many, many years when he was in college. He did.

That's true. He had more studio experience than us. He could have warned me, man. I might ask him why he didn't warn me. But he seemed to let us know if you ever been in that recording process, what was that like for you?

What was your experience? Two, five, two, five, eight, two, five, zero, two, eight. Or you can visit us online at cleerviewtodayshow.com. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Hey. Hey, you. Me?

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Amen. Let's hop back into the show. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abbadon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at ClearviewTodayShow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right, and we're here once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadon Shah, who is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show, songwriter extraordinaire, by the way. Dr. Shah, our album.

Our album is coming out in three days! Good noise. That was... Sorry.

That's the SpongeBob coming out in three days! We talked about on the intro, you have been in studios, recording studios, editing bays. That was your major in college. You've been in that. And so people, when they see it, they typically think it's like a luxurious, high-octane creative space and not a super mundane, dull, tedious thing.

It's a lot of work, very tedious. Even prior to doing my bachelor's in broadcast journalism, growing up in India, my dad was a pastor of the church, and I used to play the keyboard. And we had a drummer there, not the same kind of drums, it was a congos and the bongos, that's what we had. There was somebody who would play the accordion, I mean, it was just all kinds of instruments.

That wouldn't make any sense here. There was a harmonium there, there's a keyboard, harmonium, drums, and accordion, I mean, go figure that out. But it sounded good though, I bet. Oh yeah, it was good. It was good. The accordion guy died, but... Rest in peace, accordion guy.

He's in heaven. I never understood that instrument. My mom was like, check out the accordion. I was like, mm-hmm, that's great.

But see how he plays? I see how it is. How cool is that? I was like, yeah.

You're excited. I don't know about him. He's like, I digress, but we would write songs, we would write songs, we would record songs, and they were not that great. The limited technology we had, we used to use the MIDI to record.

That's still being used today. Yeah, that was in the mid-'80s that we were doing that, and I would record and create music, and then try to play it. And some of that sounded great, others did not. But I was already used to that process, that it takes a lot of work to get it right.

Now, you can do it, but it would be terrible, but if you'd really want to do it right, it takes a lot of work, a lot of research, understanding how this works and how does this have to be mixed, and why is it not sounding right? It's kind of funny. It's a lot.

It's a lot. And it's funny because we want to talk about the album today and the production of it and the heart behind it, too, but it was really funny because we were at the studio, and Dr. Shah, you came to the studio for a couple sessions, and it was really crazy because if somebody messed up, they just hit Control or Command-Z and did it again. They just undid it, and it was like, all right, let's do it again.

We messed up. It's like, oh, a couple keystrokes, let's do it again. And I remember talking on the way home when you were like, man, I remember when if someone messed up, you had to cut that tape, physically cut it, and try again, and hope you didn't run out of tape.

That's right. Now, that's something I did when I was in college. We had a mock radio station, and then there was a campus radio station, and then there was WRAL, not WRAL, WRAF, Cole Falls College.

I never worked there. I never worked at the WRAF because it was just big because it was all over, and it went all over Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Florida. It was a big radio station in Tennessee, but yeah, I could work in there if I wanted to, because I was just a student, and splicing the tapes and fitting them and making it work.

And then I did that even with a television station, slicing those videotapes. It's funny to me that in some ways, technology is a different world now, but in a lot of ways, some of the stuff that you used, Dr. Shaw, is still being used today. Some of those processes and some of the methodology is still there.

It may have been tweaked a little bit. It was kind of funny you mentioned doing stuff over MIDI, because even 20, 30 years later, that was how we recorded a lot of our stuff here at the church, and just sent the files over to Kannapolis to be mastered. If it's just ones and zeroes, it's just a bunch of data, we're not going to drive three hours away and pay that studio time just to do what we could do here.

So that was actually one of the ways that I had never used MIDI before this project. But it's funny because people tend to think, and we talked about this in the intro, people think it's like, when they see the videos, it looks super creative and collaborative, and it's like, oh man, turn it up, turn it up, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, play that back one more time. Instead of the reality of it, we're just sitting there thinking about it, listening to it, doing it again and again and again, and just this constantly in your ears.

Imagine listening to that just eight hours a day. That's what you hear. I'm not going to stop.

Please do. I'm going to stop. But heaven here and now, what does that mean? So this series came out of one of my favorite books in the New Testament, which is Colossians. By the way, I went to Colossae. I've been to Colossae in Turkey. It's in Turkey. And I expected the sprawling city or archeological site is nothing but a big hill. Not a small hill, big hill. I want to call it a mountain, but it's not really a mountain. It's just a huge hill. And underneath is the city. The church. Oh, the city. Yeah.

No, no. The city is not just was limited to the hill. It was spread out. But the majority of the city, like the downtown area, the Cardo and all of that was right underneath. And of course, it's gone.

We've gone for centuries now. And archeologists have been trying to get permits to go dig in and start excavating. So that's one of the ones where the city is not exposed. Like you can't get to it.

It is not exposed. But you have stuff lying around. Really? You see things. I was with a bunch of people.

This was in 2022. And I mean, you see pieces of houses. Wow. Oh, wow.

Just like sitting on the ground. That's incredible. Just right there. It's not this big.

I would say like for those who are listening, not watching, as big as the palm of my hand, some of them as long as my forearm and about four inches high and the corners of homes. Wow. And that's from 2,000 years ago. That's incredible. Wow.

That's crazy. That really is. That's just on the surface.

If you dig, oh, yeah, you will find a lot of things. But it's not supposed to be right now. And Turkey is sort of strange in that sense. They have a lot of rules and regulations when this can happen. And Colossae is just sitting there. And I know some Dutch or some German or some Italian or French will get the permit to dig it. It's always like that.

But I hope I have something to do with it. Yeah, definitely. What is the reason that Colossae is buried? I mean, I'm trying to think of other cities around biblical times. And some of them are wiped out. But a lot of times there's ruins or things you can kind of look at, columns or pieces of buildings. Why is Colossae buried? I think it's probably because of earthquakes and things like that.

It just got abandoned and just got covered up. OK. So walking on top of this hill, it was just very surreal to me that there were people here at one time.

Right. There was a church here at one time. And to this church, Paul wrote these words in Colossians chapter three, verse one. He said, if then you were raised with Christ.

Now this city is buried. If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above. That's some interesting imagery there. Imagery happening. I don't think Paul necessarily intended that for that.

But I think the Holy Spirit probably did. Because they're buried. Yeah, they're gone. They're buried. They're underneath.

The city is gone. It's underneath. So if then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.

Set your mind on things above, not things on the earth. For you died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. And so, as John mentioned, a few years ago, I did this series called Heaven Here and Now, where I talk about how you are already seated with Christ in the heavenly places. It's already happened.

Yes. So heaven is a place we're going to go one day. But positionally, I'm already there with Christ. Because he says that, if then you were raised with Christ. If you're going to be with Christ one day, but Paul is talking as though it has already happened.

It's already happened. So that really spoke to me. It was like, I'm waiting for heaven. So I'm not talking about heaven as a mystical place. It's a real place.

New heavens, new earth. But at the same time, positionally, I cannot be divided. I can only be in one place at one time. So I know right now I'm here. Temporally, I'm here.

But positionally, I'm already, my position is sitting over there right now. Wow. Amen.

What a hope. So heaven has already begun in my heart. Wow. And it goes along with what Jesus said about the kingdom of God is at hand. Yes.

That was a big, big point of that sermon series is not just what Paul says, but Paul is really piggybacking off what Jesus said when he said, you know, you think the kingdom of God is coming, but it's here. It's at hand right now. Yeah. You know, I think about the people to the western side of our state, in fact, all over from Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, many of their homes are buried. Just like Colossae, they're buried. They're gone.

Many of these people were Bible believing, strong believers. They're buried. They're gone.

But think about it. They are seated in the heavenly places with Christ Jesus. That's right. Heaven has already begun for many of them. Yeah. It's a great point.

And it's something that I've been thinking about ever since 2017. You know, for us to think that the only thing separating us from heaven is death. Why would I think that if God is powerful and he intends for us to live that heavenly life and live the resurrected life, why do I then have to die to experience what God has already promised? Yeah, that's right. That isn't something that God is like, okay, I made this, I made death and I created it.

It's a good thing and it's a natural thing for you to have to want to go through. So for him to say, all right, for you to experience the resurrected life, you have to die. If then you were raised with Christ.

Great point. Means that has already been applied to you. Positionally, you're already resurrected. Now one day I'm going to die and I'll be buried. And that may be for a few years or that may be for several millennia.

I don't know. Only God knows that. But one day I'm going to rise again, physically bodily, but already I am raised with Christ. And I love how you direct that back when we have baptisms here at the church too, because it's not just, I mean, we said this on another episode, but it's not just an act of obedience. It is, I mean, we are being obedient to God's command to be baptized, but there's something much deeper going on, which is that we were buried with Christ and we were raised to walk.

That has already happened. That's a spiritual reality that is made evident through baptism. Manly Beasley was a man of God. He was an evangelist who lived in the eighties. And he touched many, many lives. A lot of our leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention were touched by his ministry. Nicole's dad was one of those people, you know, my father-in-law was one of those individuals who was touched by Manly Beasley's ministry.

And about this scripture, Manly Beasley would say, one of the surprises we will get when we get to heaven is to realize that we have already been there. And you've done a great job, John and David, you know, they kind of spearheaded this effort to put this album together and did a phenomenal job with Heaven Here and Now. They built a great relationship with Travis Motley, who is the owner of Diamond Productions, and that friendship began.

And then last year, or actually the year before last, the trips began to Kannapolis. And that's when you began to record these things. And you would give me updates on how it sounded. And then we wrote some more songs to put it all together. That was one of the coolest parts for me because typically what people will say is, hey, get your pastor involved, get his blessing, get some theological insight. But to sit down with a writing partner and say, here's where this song ought to go, here's what the song ought to be, is very rare. Because people typically write, and this is something that we have to watch out for as we're expanding our songwriting team, you know, not only at Clearview, but I think all over churches, because more and more churches are starting to write their songs.

And one thing to watch out for is you start writing songs that are super, super personal to you and you bring them to your pastor, you bring them to a team and you say, hey, what do you think? And when people start criticizing it, it's like, wow, man, I've already attached to it. You know, I already love it.

I'm already in love with it. So sitting down from conception and writing these songs together makes it so you've got three or four people on this team who are falling in love with this song together. And that's why each of the, I feel like each of these is a hit.

Every single song, there's not really any songs on this that feel like filler. You know what I mean by that? That's right. They're each hits.

Yeah, they're deep. Going back to the series that I did, Heaven Here and Now, and if anybody wants to access that, those messages is back in 2016, actually, 2016, where I did this series called Heaven Here and Now. The second message was not from Colossians. It was actually from Philippians and the same concept is found there as well. Philippians 3 20 says, for our citizenship is in heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Our citizenship is in heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to his glorious body according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things to himself. Therefore my beloved and longed for brethren, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord beloved.

Right. My citizenship is in heaven and that's the location from which we are waiting for the coming of Jesus Christ. And we're doing the waiting right now. So yes, temporarily I am here on this big blue planet, but my citizenship positionally is in heaven. Now that sounds a little mystical, but I think it's more about our identification with Christ, that we are with him and where he is, there is heaven. And so, yeah, and the call for us is, you know, are you growing, are you growing not only in Christ, but his resurrection as well? That's another thing this album seeks to ask that question.

Are you growing in your understanding and your knowledge of who he is? That's such a transformative view on heaven. We often, I mean, growing up in the Bible belt in the South, you often hear messages about heaven one day, like we're going to get there eventually.

That's what we're striving for. We're looking forward to heaven. Heaven is now. I mean, we are now, if we believe what we're saying, if we believe the word of God, heaven starts now. The heavenly life begins on this side of eternity. That's a good way to say that, as the heavenly life has already begun, the heaven as a place is still to come. We understand that.

We don't want anybody to misunderstand. We're not taking the future away and saying, it's all here now. This is the world. This is heaven.

This is it. No, this life is not heaven. It's more like hell. What we're saying is, my life with Christ has already begun. And if that's true, then your life means something.

Your life is pressing towards a goal, I guess that final complete transformation that's coming. Amen. Amen. If people are listening to this and they're thinking about their music ministries or their worship ministries, why an album? Why did that matter for us to release as a worship team, as a church?

Why was that a medium that we pursued? It used to be because I thought that's what made a church legitimate. It used to be like, I thought that back in the day when I was in my early 20s, it was like, if you have an album, you are legitimate. And that was why I'm very, very grateful we didn't have one back then, because there's nothing legitimate about me. We're legitimate as a church because God is here and he's with you, Dr. Shah. He's got his hand on you as our pastor and our leader.

That's why we're legitimate. And I think it was then that God was like, OK, now you can have these things that you want because it's not a bad thing to have it. That's right. But I think for me, it was the impact of these songs were impacting me and they were impacting our church. That's right.

And so we wanted to share them with a wider audience. Well, music, singing, worship are an integral part of the believer's life. They didn't start with the early church. They go back in time. They go back to the book of Genesis. I mean, that's where you find Jabal, you know, this man, this person who was who created music.

And it was beautiful. I mean, even prior to that, the enemy was was a worship leader. But anyways, for human beings, you know, Jabal is the one who is considered to be the progenitor of the musical world. And then when you read the Old Testament, you have people like Moses writing his song and you have a go to the book of Judges, you have Deborah writing her song, songs of praise unto God.

Then you get to the Psalms. You have David, sons of Korah, every powerful, powerful songs that were sung, sung by people, sung by people as they are headed to the temple, sung by people as they were leaving the temple, sung by the Levites in the temple. So music and singing and worship are very important in the believer's life. That's true.

In the corporate life and individual life. And if someone hadn't taken the time to record, like write down Moses's songs or Deborah's songs or David's songs, they could be lost to history forever, you know, if they weren't recorded. So I know for us and Dr. Shah, Miriam's song, Mary's song, there's so many there. But for us, it's like, I feel like every single sermon, every thing that we do that you preach, every song that we write, they ought to be recorded because they're eternal. You know what I mean? And especially if we're talking about songs designed for eternity, designed for worship, then they ought to be recorded.

I don't want them to, I don't want them to disappear 50, 60, 70 years from now. That's right. Yeah.

For us, you know, I just want to share this with people. Sometimes there are people who just love the word, man, just give me the word. Somebody get up there and preach the word, music, songs are what move the heart. So when you're talking about, yes, I can move people with my oratorical skills or my preaching gifts, but that's not enough. True.

That's true. You need, you need, it's just like any conversation. Like if you, like with your kids, if you only ever talked at them and they never responded to you, they never, they were just like, okay, cool.

They never responded to you, never told you how they felt about you, never, never did any of that. I mean, is that a relationship that you want? No, it's not. It brings us back to the conversation we've had before about emotion. Emotion is not, it should not be the driving force.

It should not be what's sitting in the driver's seat of your life, but it is an important part of who you are. God created us with the capacity for emotion. Like when I listen to the preaching genuinely, I'm not just saying this, I listen to it as though this is God speaking to me through Dr. Shaw. He's speaking through the pastor. The worship is us speaking back and it's, it's saying, Hey God, we appreciate you. We love you.

We worship you. It's, it's a listen and a response. And there are some people who only want to talk to God and they don't want the good biblical preaching and there's others who just don't want to talk to him.

Right. And then music is a worship is where it's almost like in a vehicle, you, you, you have to make sure there's oil in there, right? You have to make sure you change the oil, you put fresh oil, oil keeps things going.

If you don't have it, your engine will lock up. So worship in a sense is almost like the oil that keeps the engine flowing nice and smooth. And it's much more than that.

I'm just giving you one illustration, one, one, one point to help you understand the importance of worship. That's right. Hope you guys enjoyed today's episode. Write in and let us know what you got from today, two five two five eight two five zero two eight. Or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. Don't forget, you can partner with us financially on that same website.

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