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We're going to leave a couple of links right there in the description box so you can do just that. And we're here today in The Clearview Today Studio with Dr. Abaddon Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. We wanted to talk a little bit about the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, because everybody's of course talking about it.
It's all over the news. But what we wanted to talk about today, Dr. Shah, I know this was on your heart, is that we have people in our community, which means there's people all over the place, I'm sure, asking, how can I help? I had a gentleman text me and then I got Dr. Shah involved. And he said, look, I don't know what to do, but I know I want to do something. What can I do?
Who can I talk to? Well, this is unprecedented, as you know, 600 miles of devastation. You can just imagine that 600 miles of devastation starting all the way through Florida, Georgia, into North Carolina, into Tennessee. And roads have been washed away. Homes are gone. The entire terrain of Western, at least Western North Carolina, because we're closer, we're hearing a lot over there and getting pictures and videos from people who are close to that tragedy, that entire terrains have been rearranged.
It means it does not look like what it did just a week ago. I mean, the layout of the earth is actually different. And that's not the worst part of it. The worst part is the lives that were lost and not just lost.
Every life lost is tragic, but these lives were lost in the most horrific way you can imagine. Imagine being in your home and you see out the window, it's raining, it's raining. Yes, there are puddles of water and it's a little flooded over there. And then all of a sudden you hear this crashing wave coming down the side of the mountain and it's mudslide. I mean, mudslide.
Of course, that's not a surprise. Mudslides happen, but not to such a catastrophic extent. And coming and watching your vehicles getting swept away, watching your utility buildings in the backyard getting swept away, and then watching your neighbor's homes starting to float or being picked up and taken a hundred yards or further down the road and being demolished.
And then you yourself, in many situations, you climb to your attic, get on top of the roof only to have the roof collapse and then to die a perfect death. I mean, this is mind blowing. It's nightmarish.
It really is nightmarish. And you see it all the time on the news and you see stuff like this, but it's like you said, it's so close to us. It's literally what a couple, maybe a couple hours away. These are places that you guys have been. These are places that you guys have visited.
I know that Bryson City is a place that you guys have been many, many times. You've spoken at that camp. You've spoken at that camp and it's just, it's just gone. Yeah. I mean, Ryan has been going there what, maybe six years now.
Yeah. And I have been going since 2002. That was the first time that our daughter Rebecca went to camp there.
I didn't go there that year. I think a couple of years following that we went to visit her to see where is this camp. Because when we sent out our daughter to this camp, Camp Living Water in Bryson City, we had no clue where it was located. We actually thought it was outside of Durham because the person who told us about it, he just kept talking about it. You know, a good friend of mine, Brevard Brown, and he was like, oh, this is a great camp. Your daughter's going to love it.
Send her, send her, send her. So we're like, I really like this gentleman. I've known him for about a year or so.
And I mean, his wife and the sweet people and his dad had founded that camp. So I'm like, sure. Okay. That sounds great. And then, then we get, you know, center of this is 2002 summer.
And then they let us know, we're leaving the camp, headed back home. And it's going to be five hours. I'm like, five hours?
Why does it take five hours? That's not Durham. From outside of Durham. Because Durham is only 45 minutes.
Right. Oh, wait, this is up in the mountains? Yeah, this is a mountain camp. Yeah, it's close to Tennessee. I mean, it's almost when we went to Nashville, when we went to Nashville for NRB, we actually did we pass through it or go or near it?
We saw the exit for it. Yeah, I remember. And I remember being like, oh my goodness, we're close. Yeah, we're close.
Like it's been a long time since we left home. I didn't realize how far away the camp actually was. Yeah.
Yeah. And I mean, Hendersonville right around the corner too. We go every summer.
Our student ministry goes on a mission trip to Fruitland Bible college up in the mountains in Hendersonville. And I think that's the thing that is hitting the hardest for me is the devastation is terrible. And it's just it's chilling to hear the stories and see the images. But these are people that we know. Were they affected really? Golly, I didn't know that.
I didn't know it reached that far. Maybe that's maybe maybe you can kind of help me. Correct.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, because I could be wrong. I remember Katrina very Hurricane Katrina very loosely was in 2005. I was in middle school. So but I remember there being a lot of prep, like, hey, guys, this is gonna be bad for real. Y'all need to y'all need to do and there was a lot of, like, batten down the hatches sort of thing with the levees are gonna break. They're very unstable. Yeah.
I remember I was a principal at the time, a Christian school principal and I remember watching that on the news and I'm like, oh, I wonder what's gonna happen. I mean, it's a lot of rain. Yeah.
And then next thing you know, it breaks and it's like, oh, my goodness. Right. It was horrible. Uh huh. Yeah.
I remember I don't man. Maybe it's just I feel like that wasn't here with this. This sort of came out of nowhere, because even when it landed, it was a category four. Katrina was five. But it feels like this.
There was no prep. I thought it was actually gonna hit Kentucky. I didn't realize North Carolina was even in its path. I mean, all of these states, starting with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, then North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia. So six states that have been impacted by this. It's not just two or three.
Definitely North Carolina, you know, I feel like we're the least prepared, right? Because typically these storms go up in the mountains and then they kind of break apart. Right.
Here they did not. It's, you know, trillions of tons of water got dumped and then it turned into this mudslide. And then they said, you know, some of the dams broke or whatever. I don't have all those details, but then all this rainwater mixed with debris, trees, big rocks, they all come crashing down and, you know, hundreds and hundreds of communities up in the mountains have been demolished. The roads are gone.
Power is gone. Phone service. That was the big thing. I saw a lot of people on TikTok who lived there talking about that.
They were like, hey, we have no phones. Like I had to get out of the state to even make this to tell you how bad it is. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also this is, you know, maybe things are changing by the time this episode will air and you guys are listening. But as of right now, there are a lot of communities that have not been identified as to what's happened there.
Wow. There are lots and lots. I mean, I would say hundreds of communities that people don't know what's happened there. Great point. Great point. We, I think, trick ourselves in 2024. Like Henderson, North Carolina, where we're recording the show right now, let's say something devastating were to happen in this town.
We have in our minds, the whole world would know instantly. No, it did not happen that way. I have my own opinion on that. I think some of this is political. And because this is, by the time we, we be recording this, it's already been almost a week, almost a week, six days. Right. So that is late.
Right. That's late for us to still not have, I mean, that should have been the, in the next 24 hours, there should have been massive movement to rescue people. Because you hit the nail on the head, rescue people, people who were trapped. There were people who were stranded that were still alive and they're still trapped.
And that's a great point as to why we're doing this episode. Cause a lot of people have asked like, Hey, are y'all going to talk about like the hurricane stuff? There was very little information. There was very, very little. We as a church, we went ahead and took a lot of offering and, and thousands of dollars were given and we already sent it off.
We sent it off. I have a friend who is in Hickory and I think Ryan knows him very well because we've made good connection. He's a pastor there.
I've known him for almost 26 years being in seminary and he's been pastoring there for several years. And I contacted him. I said, are you okay? And he said, yes, I am.
But just 15 minutes down the road, things are not okay. And I said, look, we want to help you. If you're going to get into the community and help the people there, we want to help you. We want to partner with you. And we're doing that already. Yes. Yeah.
Uh, taking up the love offering. We have, we have many people like locally who have gone themselves. I mean, they are, they're already on the ground there serving and working in the communities and many more are planning to go. We've got supplies that we're sending. So we, I mean, we are working hard here from our corner of the world to help those who are to the west. And there's, and there's people in our community who I think are seeing that they're seeing what we're doing as a church. Like I said, there was a gentleman who is doing work for the church, but he doesn't go to church here. You know, he's just done some work, but he texted me personally and said, Hey, I would like you to talk to Dr.
Shot. I don't know what to do, but I want to do something. I want to help. And, um, I think there's a lot of people who have that sentiment, that sentiment where it's like, my heart is here. My desire is here. My resources are here.
Who do I give it to? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who takes this and gives it to people for the next step.
What's my next step? We need to, we need to coordinate even more than that. Uh, there are people who are already down there. Like we have, uh, we have a lot of EMT and, or really first responders, police, sheriff, uh, troopers, um, and, and, you know, EMT, EMS people, uh, nurses that are here and many of them have already left. They left with their fire departments. Some of them joined up with some other groups and went, some are already in Boone helping with Samaritan's Purse.
Um, and so there are a lot of our folks, we didn't say, Hey, wait on us. We're going to put a group together. Right.
We just told people, if you have a group and you can make it happen, please go. Yeah, go. Absolutely. Oh, don't wait.
Right. You know, don't wait for us to get everything in line and then we're going to go. Let's just go. If you're ready, somebody's going, go. And I would say tons of people already did there.
Oh yeah. There's, there's NC Baptist on Mission. They're doing feeding operations. There's churches who are distributing like water and ice and stuff like that.
Samaritan's Purse is 100%. Uh, there's local communities. Um, I think, I think it's near, um, Appalachian State University. They got hit really hard. I saw some pictures online of the campus that was just absolutely wrecked. Oh yeah.
Just devastated, devastated. But there's, there's hot meals and there's drive, they have drive through like walk up lines and stuff like that. So people are there, but the need is way greater than they can do by themselves. And so I think that's kind of what this episode is here to say is like, Hey, we're doing everything we can as a church.
We want you listening to, to jump in. You know? Yeah. Cause we have to, we have to.
Yeah. That spirit I think is, has been missing for a while, but it's things like this that bring that back out that make America special. Uh, because we see people in need who are our neighbors and we really view them as our neighbors. So it's not just because they're in a state in the same state as us. It's like, these are, these are my fellow countrymen who are in need and I need to step up and help them.
I need to make, I need to meet that need. Well, that's the spirit of Christianity, Dr. Shah. I know you've said that that's what makes America special is because there aren't other countries who just have that natively in their, in their DNA. It's because of the Christian influence in America and really the Christian foundation that America has that that spirit of, Hey, we, we can't, it's not, we're not going to help out because it's a nice thing to do. We must, we must, it's our obligation to help and to serve in many parts of the world and even this happening in America now, as long as me and mine are safe, we're all good. But I think that's, that's what makes Christianity or Judeo Christian values different is, is that we go and help somebody, uh, whether they related to us or not, or whether they even love us or not, we're going to go help you because that is the right thing to do. We're going to save life lives because that's what needs to happen. So, uh, it's been great to watch, you know, we're, we're in the Piedmont, kind of the trail end of the, you know, of the Piedmonts towards the coast and just 30 miles north of Raleigh Durham Chapel. That's where we are, but we've seen a lot of people leave and go and they're there and more are going now as well.
Yeah. And that's, that's sort of our, our heart to, you know, of course our thoughts and prayers. Yes, they're important, but there comes a point where you have to stop sending just your thoughts and prayers and you have to actually get, get involved, you know, do something, even if it's just, Hey, I want to contribute to this financially. I want to give, uh, to, to someone else who actually can get boots on the ground. But like you said, Dr. Sha'i, if you have a way to get there, get there and do it. It's your, it's your, and I think Christians are, um, I don't want to say scared, but they're just like, they assume someone else is doing it more. They assume, well, they're like, well, I can't leave my life.
I can't leave my routine to go over there and do mission work. It's the old 9-1-1 problem that you hear about this in like CPR training. If there's an incident happening and someone needs to call 9-1-1, everyone assumes that someone else is going to do that. So if you're the first one on the scene, you pick someone and say, you call 9-1-1 because I mean, our nature is just like, someone else will take care of that.
That's right. And the needs are tremendous. You know, people have been asking about, you know, what's the need.
And of course there is a need for water and diapers and all of that kind of stuff. And I think, please keep sending them. Please keep sending them. There is need for people going out there and sorting things out or, you know, working in soup kitchens or, you know, under pop-up tins with the Baptist men or whatever. Great.
I hope you do. There are people out there taking supplies with Samaritan's Purse and distributing them. That's all those things are wonderful. But I think there's a greater need that needs to be, is calling for awareness. Awareness for why is it so, why did it get so delayed?
Why is more not happening? I mean, personally, I think tons of helicopters should be over there flying all over these place, landing, finding, looking for people. I'm hearing that that's not happening. That hasn't happened. And that is a travesty in America. I mean, this is not happening.
Some other part of the world, you can say, well, you know, it's hard for us to get over there. This is right here. This is right here.
Right here. Why is more not happening? Of course, you know, some troops have been deployed and all that, you know, past couple of days, but it needs to be so much more. And now not, not FEMA setting up its tent in 90 days from now is what, what are you talking about? I definitely, I definitely felt like there was a delayed response.
Like, like within, within the, the moment that it happened to now it's been like, what, a week to, oh, by the time you're listening to this shoot, probably nine, 10 days. Yeah. And it doesn't seem like things are, I mean, of course, like we said, there are things happening.
People are getting helped, but not at the rate that you would expect here in America. Not as quick as should be. In 2024. Not on a massive scale. Yeah.
Right. This is widespread devastation. I mean, loss of life, loss of property, loss of supplies, but there has not been the response needed. So I'm just thinking back, like we talked about Katrina earlier and there was a, a tremendous response mounted for Katrina. It was a, it was a, it was a global event.
Right. It was a global event. And it's, it's just, I mean, it's indicative of leadership and where's the media, right? I'm also calling out the media because why is the media not covering it far, far more now? Now a little bit here and there and politicians are showing up, but it should have been so much more fumbling on this. There was like a fumbling and I don't know what I don't, there seems to be no accountability, no culpability. It's just like, Hey, we, they need help.
It's bad. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, the people who are responsible for media, who do they answer to by themselves? Yeah. And, and I think I'm sure leftist policies or leftist politics is is, is a lot to be blamed over here. Well, I'm sure because most of the stories that I'm seeing are from things like baptistpress.com. They're mainly from churches who are posting about it. There's, I don't see, I mean, I see it on the news here and there, but not very much to the extent that it should be. Yeah. Yeah. I totally, totally agree with you.
It needs to, and I've, I've heard from people out in that direction and they're saying, Hey, whatever you think is bad, just know that it is far worse. And these are people I trust and I'm not there yet, but, but I would love to make that trip down that way. But I don't want to go over there right now because there's so many other people who are going and I'm like, go, go, go. Anybody wants to go. I have, we have plumbers who are going.
I have already left by the way. We have, of course, a lot of firefighters from our church have gone electricians with electricians are considered going. We have people who can operate heavy equipment have left.
Some are going this weekend. So, you know, with natural disasters, you know, it's, it, there's a, there's a weird thing where you typically, and I don't know how many people actually think like this, but you know, when you hear like, okay, they're victims, you lump them into this category in your mind where it's like, gosh, I hope someone helps, but then that's about it. But you don't realize that they're victims of a natural disaster.
This isn't a choice that they made. This isn't some, this isn't indicative of their lifestyle. These are people that could be my mother.
That could be me. That could be my family, my son, my three-year-old and my one-year-old trapped on a roof, hoping at any moment it doesn't cave in. And you have a massive body of water, not just a little stream running towards you.
And you have a big wave coming at you. And for many people, they are still trapped. I mean, they're waiting on rescue.
Right. And it's like, what, what could I have done? What could I, what could I possibly have done to prevent this storm from, I mean, nothing. So I think that it really humanizes a lot of these victims in a way that I think with other situations we tend to not do, if that makes sense. And it puts an urgency and it puts a need on what we're talking about, because if not for you, if not for Christians going and helping and serving this, dude, there may not be a resolution to this. Cause I don't think that with the devastation that we're seeing here, I don't think this is going away in like a month. I think it has just begun.
I think there's so much more. And our state of North Carolina was the worst hit. Okay. I know Florida got hit, Georgia, Tennessee, but North Carolina took the run. That's true.
Okay. So that's where they're saying a few hundred, I think it will be many, many more. It's just a few hundred that they've found so far. And I hope by God's grace that they will go, cause I mean, a lot of these people up in the mountains are survivors. I mean, they know how to be strong and survive and take care of themselves. So I'm hoping they will, you know, that instinct will kick in and has kicked in, they're surviving until people get there.
I've talked to folks right now who are getting teams together. I mean, they're veterans, they are people, they said, Hey, look, we know how to hike behind enemy lines. So we know how to do this. We're going to go out there and see what we can do to get behind.
And they said, we're happy to have everybody go. I mean, I'm glad to have people who are senior adults or ladies who are going to help, but this is where you have to trek through mud. This is where you have to trek through boulders that were ripped up and carried across a stream or across a highway or across fields. How do you climb over all that and go across? Because the GPS is telling you way down that way, 20 miles from here, there are several communities where we got to go. You cannot have vehicles. Of course you need helicopters and all that. And I hope that's quickly being supplied, but you need people who can hike, people who are able to take care of themselves because you're in the wildlife. I mean, that's also to consider.
It's a lot. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
It's not as easy as just go stand in line, show up, like there's people there, they're trapped and that's needed. I mean, there are people needed to go do those things, but we also need the other people who can go and like train able bodied people who can take a lot of beating, you know, as you're going through the elements to get to the other side. And these are not flat lands.
Yeah. These are mountains. These are mountains. If you've never been to Western North Carolina and you're listening to this, it is mountainous. North Carolina is a weird state in that way because there's lots and lots of mountains. There's plains, there's hills. I mean, it's got all of it. Seriously. I've hiked up there, you know, but with Camp Living Water, I've hiked over there, done in a white water. I mean, so it's a lot to consider. It's rough on an easy day.
It's rough on an easy day. So imagine having to climb, I mean, I've climbed up Alarca Falls. Have you been up on Alarca Falls? I have not.
I've seen pictures, but I haven't been up there. Yeah. I mean, so it's, that's what you're thinking about going across. Yeah.
It's a lot easier. So if Dr. Joe, if someone's listening to this, we've got about eight minutes left on the show. And if someone's listening to this and they're like, I'm convinced, I want to help.
I want, in fact, I want to go. Who do I talk to? What number do I call?
What website? Do I have to sign up? Is there any insurance or can I just show up and say, Hey, I'm here to help. Can I literally get in my car, go and start helping? Yeah.
I mean, nothing's wrong at this point, but I would definitely say, you know, go to some of these websites. I mean, you have Baptist state convention in North Carolina. I mean, Baptist men have already been on the ground from day one, almost, you know, well, I guess you can say day two, but they were already there. Samaritan's Purse is already there. And then of course, local fire departments are, and even volunteer fire departments are sending their men out.
That's right. You know, go talk to them and say, Hey, is anybody here going? There are businesses. We have several local businesses around here that have already, you know, taken up plenty of supplies together and they're putting it in trucks, rent trucks and take them. I mean, we're going to do that as a church. We're going to rent a truck and we already have a driver who's willing to drive and they're going to go.
So of course, take supplies, but this is long-term. And of course, take up love offerings in your church that we did the very first Sunday. And that's because that Sunday morning, my wife, as I'm putting the final finishing touches on my sermon, and it's about like 7.15. So I'm like, I got to get this done because I got to get ready. Nicole comes to me and says, you got to see this video. And I'm like, honey, not right now. I got to get this raised.
I got to get in the shower. And I know you really need to see this. So I'm like, okay. And she shows me some of the videos and I'm like, oh my goodness. Wow. Is it that bad? She's like, wait, let me show you another one.
And she showed me like three or four. And I'm like, we need to do something. It's devastating.
The momentum is going to fall off. And so a part of our job is like ours, the three of us around this table is to keep this conversation going and to keep providing you with resources. But then your job is to keep caring. And I think Dr. Shaw, you hit the nail on the head where you just start talking to people. I'm a recovering bystander.
You know what I mean? I don't want to live that life no more where I'm like, that's who I am. I am a bystander at heart who works hard not to be a bystander.
So there's times where I'll see, I'm like, man, that is devastating. But I mean, I can't do anything. I'm not going over there and doing all this stuff. But there are people you can talk to.
You can go to like, I can easily drive to the fire department, my local fire department and say, hey, are you sending people? I've got stuff that I can give them. You know, you can do something.
You can start talking to people. And maybe that's just where it starts. But do something.
Right. I share the gospel. I hope this will open your eyes. I mean, I've been to those back roads.
I mean, I would say hundreds of times, because what I do is I go, I didn't go this year, but past years, I go stay at Camp Living Water because I'm their guest speaker. I don't know why they always come to speak to children. They say they love you. Like, that's very hard to do, you know, because I'm more like adult. You know, I get deep into the word and Greek and Hebrew.
They're like, we love the kids love to hear you. Okay. So I've been going for years. And so what I do is I prepare my message and then I will relax and I'll go in town. And I have all these bookstores that are kind of laid out for me.
So I would go to all these bookstores, all of these places. And just to now think that a lot of those places are wiped off. It's heartbreaking. It's heart wrenching just to think that all those small communities that I drove through, because I went and checked the damage area and they are under, they're in that map.
And I'm so sad. To hear people that we know, and this isn't like media sensationalism, but people that we know and have talked to and have relationships with say things like, it looks like a war zone. It looks like an apocalypse happened. Never would I have imagined just last year as I was driving through some of those communities, you know, looking around, it's like beautiful. Some are just really old homesteads. Others are like beautiful gated communities. I mean, just, I mean, you see those houses look like castles. Yeah.
All right. And so now to look back and see, wow, without any notice, many of these people lost everything, maybe lost their lives. We don't know. We don't know. And I hope that many are just waiting to be rescued or already making their way out.
That's right. That should motivate you to share the gospel with people. Nobody imagined, those people did not imagine a week ago, this is Thursday, a week ago, they did not imagine in their wildest dreams that their world would be gone. Their loved ones would be gone. They never imagined. So what is the guarantee that the people around you will still be here tomorrow?
Something else could happen. So tell people about Jesus Christ, lovingly, truthfully, tell them what it means to be saved. Tell them about the uncertainty of life and the certainty of the judgment to come. Tell them what it means to be saved through the death burial and resurrection of the son of God.
That's right. Amen. Amen. And our prayers are with our neighbors to the west. Like we told you, we as a church are mounting a response in several different ways. If you'd like to partner with us, you can do that, or we can point you to other organizations closer to you that are able to assist you in getting there or at least getting supplies there.
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