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We're going to leave a couple of links right there in the description so you can do just that. Ryan, happy Tuesday, my friend. Happy Tuesday. Yesterday's episode, I think, was a highlight for me, definitely. Yesterday's episode, we had Mike Huckabee on the show, one of the highlights of my very, very short radio career. That's true, we haven't been doing this for very long, but to have Governor Huckabee as a guest, that was pretty cool. That was crazy.
That was really, really crazy. I've been coming down off of that. It was funny because, like I said, we've only been doing this... If you look on iTunes, our Spotify, it's like, man, we've got like 400 or 500 episodes, but it's a daily show. You rack up a lot of episodes.
But we really haven't been doing it in a long time. Someone actually made the comment, like, man, you had a radio show for only two years, and you're getting names like that on your show. I was like, this is God's work. God's blessing.
God's moving. He's doing powerful things for the Clearview Today show, and we're thankful to be a part of it. We have another very special guest today, sort of in the same realm, but more on the education side of things. I wanted to ask, and I think I've asked you this before, but what is the worst thing that you ever did when you were in school that you got in trouble for? I remember you told me you got called to the principal's office one time. It was the wrong Ryan Hill.
I did. But you strike me as the type that didn't really do much. I didn't really get in trouble for a whole lot. What I most often got in trouble for was talking in class. Often, it was like, Ryan, stop talking.
Hey, keep it down. There was one time when I was in fifth grade that I got in trouble. I pulled a prank on my teacher. Yeah, what'd you do? So, a buddy of mine, one of my good friends, I was very much like the straight A's stay in line, follow the rules student.
He was not that way, but we were good friends. Our teacher went out of the classroom. It was in fifth grade. He pulled out this fake dog dropping from his book bag. He's like, it's going to be really funny if we put this in our teacher's chair. I don't know what snapped or broke in my fifth grade mind, but I was like, that's hilarious. That does sound funny.
Let's do it. We put it in her chair. There were other people in the classroom. We put it in her chair and sat back down.
That was it. That was the extent of the prank. She walked back in, saw it, and she was like, why did this happen?
What in the world? Of course, people knew it was us. The teacher found out. Did they tell? I can't remember how the teacher found out.
Someone told, or I don't remember, but she found out that it was the two of us. She looked at me. She was like, I'm really surprised at you. I'm really surprised at you. I was like, I wish I was dead.
I would like to pass away now, please. That was the only prank that I pulled on a teacher. Other than that, it was just getting in trouble for talking. Yeah. Have you ever heard of this thing called the devious lick?
No. I don't know why it's called that, but we did it when I was in school, but it wasn't called that. It was just called stealing. Basically, you basically go into a bathroom. You can do it at school or in public, and you just steal stuff.
You just take the soap dispenser off the wall. That's called the devious lick? I don't know why, but look it up. It's got its own Wikipedia page.
It's an actual confirmed ... This is a thing. It's not just- That's just theft. Yeah, it's just stealing. It's just stealing. Or you would take all the toilet paper and throw it away.
Or you would just take the soap dispenser off the wall and leave with it. Huh? I don't know. That is a foreign concept to me.
I don't know. I've never heard of that. It's called the devious lick. I've heard of robbery, but- We didn't know that at the time. We didn't know that back when we were in school. We would take toilet paper and we would put it under the sink and throw it up on the ceiling and it would stick.
We would do stuff like that. I never got in trouble for it. The only thing I really got in trouble for was... Well, no, I got in trouble for some things, but there was an art teacher who we had to sculpt. We could sculpt things. Another student in another class had sculpted this cat. I don't know what came over me, but I was just like, I want to smash that cat. He was like, at the end of the semester after I've graded it, you can smash it.
The teacher. I was like, okay, cool. No problem. So last day comes.
I don't know this, but he still hasn't graded it. So I remember his promise to me. It's my time to shine. It's my time to shine. So I'll go up. Don't speak to anyone. I just go up, take the cat, take it outside to the little patio and smash it all over the ground.
Shout out to Mr. Garrison. He comes in and is like, I hadn't graded that. I hadn't graded that. I was like, oh, why? Why not? It's the last day of school.
You still haven't submitted no grades? I got in a little bit of trouble for that. And the guy got a free hundred, so... I mean, I guess it worked out for the other kid. Yeah, yeah. He got a hundred. I mean, what else could he do? Shout out to Mr. Garrison.
Shout out to Mr. Garrison. Sorry I smashed your cat. But it didn't let us know what is the... Is it the worst thing, the most interesting thing that you got in trouble for?
Yeah, just the most interesting thing. What do you remember getting in trouble for in school? Once you get in trouble for in school, write in and let us know, you bunch of troublemakers. 2-5-2-5-8-2-5-0-2-8. Or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. We'll be right back. Hello, Clearview family. I'm Nicole.
And I'm David. And we want to talk to you today about the Clearview app. You know, there are so many churches out there that put their sermons on YouTube and their announcements on Facebook and their prayer list on Periscope.
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You can visit us online at ClearviewTodayShow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. And we are here once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadan Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show, back again with a very special guest. That's right.
And that's Dr. Robe. Crazy. Crazy how it works out.
Crazy. Drum roll, please. You want to do it on the drum roll? I can do it on the drum roll. This is Superintendent of Public Instruction, Michelle Moore.
There it is. Thank you. Very nice to have you on the show.
Very exciting to have you. The applause lasts forever. I apologize. It's one of the sound effects we got.
Conveniently studio audience located right in this little box. Not that you don't deserve it. It's so good to have you on the show. Thank you, and that's really prophetic because I'm the candidate for Superintendent of Public Instruction.
Which kind of climate, like, it's going to happen. That's right, that's right. You know, I actually, I went through public school my entire life, and there was a lot of times where I was doing some things I ought not to have been doing. We told about one of them on the show where I unfortunately smashed someone's art project. Didn't get in trouble like I should have, but I wanted to know, what was the worst thing that you guys did in school that you got in trouble for? What worst thing I got in trouble for?
I'll jump in ahead, and then you can jump in after me. Where a couple of guys got me in trouble. So it's not I got in trouble. They decided to tell me to skip school, join them, to go through a field nearby, and eat some sugar cane off the field. Because the farmer never know. Oh, no, actually, he said the farmer doesn't care. Yeah, it's just like public snacks, whatever.
He doesn't care, this is just, this is what we do. So I was like, oh, okay, so it's not like we're stealing, it's just like we're going out there, we're going to have a good time. I'm like, okay, sure, let's go. And then as we park our motorcycles, go into the field, you see, almost like the Cars, what is the movie? Cars, where the big, big combine comes after.
Where they tip the cows, but they're really combines. Yes, yes, yeah. And the farmer comes after us.
He's on his tractor, I mean, he is nothing pulling him, he's coming out. And I said, what is happening? Oh, we gotta run.
I said, this is part of the game, dude. And we had a uniform, the school had a uniform. So it's not even like we can hide. It's like, he knows exactly, gray and white, they go to St. Aloysius.
I love they just matter of factly, they're like, oh, we gotta run now. It's funny because like people get tricked into thinking like, oh, you go to public school, you gotta be tough. But like, everybody's acting up, to go to Catholic school and act up, you gotta be tough.
That's what makes you brave. How about you, Michelle, do you have anything or are you the good girl? I was pretty much the good girl. But I do have to say this, I did not get caught for this, but I did cheat on two or three tests in chemistry because I had no idea what was going on, which is ironic because then I ended up teaching chemistry. And then, how did you cheat?
How did you? Yeah, it's funny. Did you write it on paper or like on your hand or something? No, I actually, when I figured out that it actually is math with the chemicals and I love math. And I was like, okay, my teacher just didn't teach it like this, so. Bro, no, that's just learning.
Yeah, yeah, but I never got caught for it, but I did do that, yes. That's just creative learning to me. Funny, funny, funny. Well, today, Michelle, give us an introduction to who you are. Obviously, you're the Republican nominee for the Superintendent of Public Instruction.
Very important, by the way, something we're very passionate about and we care a lot about the school system. So, tell us a little bit about yourself. So, I am a wife of 27 years.
I'm a mom of five, a grandma of one, and I have another grandbaby on the way. And I've been a nurse for 31 years. So, I'm a product of North Carolina high schools. I graduated out of Charlotte, went to UNC Chapel Hill.
That's where I got my nursing degree, worked for 31 years in that. But the last 15, my kids have been in public, private, and homeschool. And during that homeschool portion, I actually taught biology, chemistry, civics, and government in Spanish, because three of our five kids were actually born in Mexico City. My husband and I were missionaries to Mexico.
Wow, I didn't know that. And I like to say I'm a double miracle. I became a Christian at Chapel Hill, which I don't think happens all that often.
Wow, wow. But really, I have been engaged for the last six or seven years just trying to redeem the education system. I was, on my own time, my own dime, I was traveling the state talking to parents and teachers and students, trying to get boys out of girls sports, fighting for the Parental Bill of Rights. As a nurse, speaking about the dangers of the puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapies and transgender surgeries, and just trying to bring, get our education system back on track, because I really believe that that's where our children are losing hope, right?
They don't understand that they have a purpose, that they were created, and God has a plan for their life. And I think that we, as educators, whether you're in the public school, private school, homeschooling, we should be partnering with parents to figure out what is your uniqueness, what is your talent, what is your passion, and we need to put these kids onto a pathway of success so that they can pursue things that they're gonna love to do and they're gonna be great at. And that's why I'm doing this, because I feel like there's a real crisis. Tens of thousands of teachers and families are leaving the public school system. That's true.
For various reasons, which we can talk about. That's right. Well, I was a principal of a school. I taught in the public school system.
Our kids went through Christian school, but I had a deep burden, because once you see the kids in the public school, not just as those kids, but our kids, then you cannot any longer sit back and say, well, you know, at least my kids are safe. And I feel like that sets your heart. That's right. But you're saying, we need to make a difference.
If the voices out there are too silent or people have ulterior motives, then I need to speak out, because those are not just any kids. Those are our kids. That's right. Exactly, and God is very clear, and Jesus was very clear, even when the disciples tried to say, you know what, kids, get away, because in Jesus's day, they weren't seen as full-fledged citizens, and they were going to be a hindrance.
And what did he say? The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. And what that really, I think, refers to, which you can correct me, you have a lot more experience in this, but it is simple.
The gospel message is simple. And children believe any adult that's put in front of them. And that's why it is our burden to make sure that our children are not being lied to. And they are the future. I mean, it's not even, what future are we creating for them? What are we subjecting them to? And the things you mentioned just a few moments ago, to subject our kids to that dilemma of deciding whether or not they're male or female, or subjecting our girls to sports in which their brains are being beaten out. Because it's just, a few years ago, this was unthinkable, but now, this is considered normal. And what's so frightening about it is it really does impact their belief in God. Because if God put you in the wrong body, then how can you trust him with anything else? Right, that's 100%. Yeah, that's a great point.
I never really thought about that. I don't really have a lot of experience and education like you guys do, but I know that behind the scenes, there's a system. You know, there's a system in place. And maybe you guys can kind of speak to that, because it seems like there's a lot of heart and a lot of intention to do good and change how things are structured, and yet there's roadblocks or there's obstacles.
Do you wanna maybe talk about some of those obstacles that you guys have faced? Well, I think your word system is exactly what the problem is. Because we are, there's so many people that are focused on the system and not on the student. The system is supposed to be serving the student, not the other way around.
And we all know, once politics gets involved in anything, it becomes ineffective and inefficient. And so that's part of what we're seeing. In North Carolina, 50 cents of every tax dollar we send to state government goes to K through 12 education. And then you think about the percentage of whatever county you're in. I don't know what it is here in Vance County, but in Wake County, two thirds of every dollar that we spend in taxes goes to our school system.
And we now have the lowest proficiency rates across all demographics of students in history in North Carolina. So what are we doing? I was gonna say, where's the disconnect? Yeah, exactly. And I think it's not a matter of just more money, which my opponent would tell you. If we just celebrate everybody and tell everybody, get your free trophy and whatever, and we just put more money into it, it's going to work.
And I say, it's never worked before to do that. But second, does money matter? Absolutely.
It does, yeah. But what matters more is how we spend it. And we need to focus first on student needs, on classroom, on boots on the ground staff. We have so much administrative bloat. We have so much bureaucracy. There's so many programs that we're funding and have been funding for 10, 15 years, and they don't show any improvement in our kids academically or character wise or in career preparedness.
So that's really why I'm running. And it's been happening for quite some time, but I think it has accelerated the lack of our students being proficient to stand. Can they stand shoulder to shoulder with kids from other parts of the world?
Maybe some countries, but the more advancing countries, no. And it's sad. It is. Because there is no reason in 2024 why any student in the state of North Carolina should not be getting an excellent education.
It's kind of funny. And I don't know what year No Child Left Behind was actually established, but I was born in 92. And so I think I started school in like 95 onwards. And I remember my parents talking about this distinct shift between kids being pushed to learn and kids being pushed to pass. And I don't know, I'm thinking now, like 30 something years later, we're seeing the negative repercussions of that. Yes, and I think the difference is creating critical thinkers and creating conformists.
And that really is what we have right now, right? And we're creating also an issue of insecurity because our young people know that they don't know what they should know, right? And that's when you're seeing that even when we're seeing on the college campuses, right? That they're participating in things like the Free Palestine Movement and these things. And when you go to ask them a question, they don't know anything about what- Yeah, which river, which sea? Yes, and they don't know the history.
B River, that's the one. That's right. But I think to that point, they want to be a part of something that has meaning. They wanna be a part of something that seems like it's for the good.
And so we need to tap into that with what really is good and what really is purposeful. It's kind of funny you mentioned that, like not knowing what you should know. I remember very distinctly when I graduated high school and I started working, I got a 1099 in the mail. And I remember I was like, I don't know what this is and I put it away.
And people started calling. My mom came to me and was like, did you get this form? I was like, oh yeah, I don't know what that is. She was like, son, you have to pay your taxes. And I was like, how do I do that?
I don't know what that is. And she was floored. She was like, well, I guess I never taught you. You didn't learn it in school.
But I remember being like, I don't know what that is. So I'm just gonna- And I think that to your point, we now have people that are spending, let's say 16 years in school and they don't have any life skills. They don't know how to budget. They don't know what it looks like to be able to work out how you're gonna get a mortgage, right?
Go to the bank and what forms you're gonna need and what identification you're gonna need and this type of thing. That should all be taught in high school. Right now we have 38%, only 38% of our graduating high schoolers go on directly to a four-year degree. How are we preparing the other 62% to be able to just walk into a career where they can be financially independent.
If they want to stay in the same town where they were born and raised, raise the next generation, we've got to expand those life skills. We got to expand the understanding of economics, the understanding of civics. And we need to, I think, give every junior and senior a work study option.
So you can get paid to do a job half of the day. The next half you do your core classes because I'm telling you, it's gonna keep people in school because there's gonna be something potentially they're passionate about. And then all of a sudden they're gonna go, hmm, I might need to pay attention to that math class.
Because I'm gonna need this for whatever I'm doing. That's a great point, great point. I love what you said about creating critical thinkers. I think we've seen, and I know Dr. Shaw, you've seen this from a religious perspective, people just will swallow whatever is dished out and just kind of like regurgitate the things that they've been sort of pre-programmed to believe or conditioned to think. And it's high time that people are able to think for themselves, they're able to reason, and they're able to think critically about education, about the word of God, about the world around them and how all of that melds together. For me, one of the things, we've brought the word critical, is the CRT that is happening, the critical race theory that is being, not in every district but is happening a lot which is already telling the students, the world is marked against you or you have absolutely no chance. If you're telling a child that and they're hearing that growing up, what motivation will that student have to do anything in life if they feel like the system hates them? Right? I mean, what do you think?
Absolutely. And I've even talked to many people who teach in the elementary schools and third and fourth graders and when they start talking about the slavery, the times of Jim Crow, and they're saying why there was this hatred and they're saying they thought that you weren't as smart, that you were this or that. There is shame that is on these poor young children.
They are not able to handle this. Do we need to know what the errors of history were? And not just US history but world history.
When we have young people actually stating that they think socialism is the answer for our country, you know that they do not know world history and that hundreds of millions of people that have died under the hands of tyrannical socialist or communist dictatorships. That's a great point because you don't talk about that. I mean, of course, we'll talk about World War II and we talked about what happened there, but all the things that happened in Soviet Russia and all those crimes of the 20th century or Cuba, all of those socialists. Or North Korea right now. I can promise you, I remember distinctly going through all of high school. I never heard about it, never mentioned.
You know, never mentioned. It feels like world history kind of stops after 1945 and everything beyond that. And I don't know if that's intentional.
I don't know where that comes from, but that breakdown certainly happened. And I think too, that was one of the things with doing homeschool with my kids. I said, I feel like I redeemed my own education. Cause I was never a big history person.
I was math and science. And I was like, you know, all those wars and whatever, we can just look that up. We don't need to memorize that. Exactly. But when you do it from that biblical perspective, we did the mystery of history, the story of the world. There's so many different ways that are talking about what was happening on every different continent at the same time, right, during history. And all of a sudden it kind of comes together and you start realizing this is like a human condition.
Right? And it leads you to the understanding of who we are and who God is and hopefully repenting. You get the big picture, which is actually based on history rather than a narrative, rather than hearing an agenda.
Right now, it's so sad. Our young people are being bombarded by this agenda, whether it's through social media, whether it's through teachers who have that slant, whether it's through ignorance, whether it's through parents at home. I don't know where all the avenues are, but they're getting this agenda rather than, here's the big picture of how the world works. Here's the big picture of how business works or how education can make a difference in your life.
Right now, education will make a difference in your life. It's like, they laugh at that. Yeah, that's not true. Great point, great point. And I was actually gonna say something about that because we're all in different seasons of life right now. Like a couple of years ago, this conversation might've bored me to tears, but now my oldest son will be- They got two kids. Yeah, my oldest son will be starting school in a year or so. It's funny how priorities change. And now I'm like, my kids are gonna go through something very different than what I went through.
And I'm sort of in the dark about what it is. So when people are talking about the education system and when they're saying, this is what's happening, this is what needs to happen, you perk up a little bit because you've got skin in the game now. And it's interesting because I hear it on the other end where people say, well, my kids are already out of school. I'm paying for my grandkids to go to private school.
It's gonna be fine. But I say this, these are the future leaders, the future entrepreneurs, the future business owners, the future civil servants. And if they don't understand history, if they don't appreciate the incredible blessing and responsibility it is to be a citizen in the United States of America, then we're toast. I'm talking to business owners and it's like, we get kids in here, they don't know how to count change.
They don't know how to fill out a form. Oh, really? Yes.
And I had someone say, I've had two people say that they have had people come with master's degrees to come and do an interview for a job and their parents came with them. Wow. And this is the interesting thing. We're holding the screen and we think that we have friends and we think that we are socially up to snuff and yet we can't have a face-to-face conversation with someone.
Wow. And that's what we're doing because, and that's one of the things I want to do too as superintendent. We've got to take the screens out in front of our kids' faces, especially that kindergarten through fifth grade.
There is no reason for this. They need fine motor skills. They need to be able to read people's facial expressions, their body language, and start recognizing how their words, how their actions are impacting somebody else. You can't just randomly teach someone empathy. You have to experience compassion and empathy. You can't do it on a screen and you can't just tell everybody, we now have 85 different types of people and this is how you're going to treat all of them, right? And keep that all in your little mind. We need to tell our children, this is how you treat one another and it's with respect and it's kind and you help one another and you do your best work and you're honest.
And those are character traits that no one, regardless of what your race, religion, or creed- That's right. Is going to disagree with. Absolutely. I love that.
That's true. That's something that is on our hearts. Here at Clearview, we do a lot with the school systems, working with our elementary schools. It's right down the road, working with the high school students and we've certainly seen that, that students are just, they're hungering for that purpose.
They're hungering for someone to take them and say, hey, you matter. You are important. And you are not just some name on a class roster. You're not just a number in a system.
You are the future of our civilization. That's right. So we have to, as believers, I mean, we have to start taking a more serious role in students' lives.
Yeah. And I'm so excited to hear that your church is so engaged because that's one of the things that I've been saying is we have got to get other entities involved into our public school system. So it does become the entire community is helping our children to be successful. Well, with parents, I know as public school foundation board president, I talk to parents in the community and it's, you can see the sense of defeat in them because they want to see a difference. And our superintendent here is trying, but you know, it's tough.
It's tough because there's a culture, there's a mindset and you go, parents are hoping something will change. And our prayer is that God will give you the victory in this election. Thank you. Well, and my identity is not in being the superintendent.
All right, I could do a lot of things and I will. I'll continue to serve whatever the outcome is, but I truly believe that we are not helping our children to reach their fullest potential. And that is sad to me because I think children are filled with potential and they want to please and they want to learn. And if we're squashing that with burdens on them before their little shoulders are able to handle it, I'd like to get that out of the way and just allow them to enjoy the process of school. I love school. Amen.
Well, if you never got in trouble, yeah, that makes sense. I loved it more too. That's awesome. Thank you so much, Michelle, for being on our show today. We are praying for you as we head toward elections, praying that God gives you the victory. Amen. Thank you.
Absolutely. Make sure you guys go out there and vote. So important that we go out and vote biblical values. Believers, go, register to vote.
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That's right. Michelle, anything you want to plug before we leave? Yes, if anybody wants to find out more about where I stand and how they can potentially help to get me over the line, they can go to my website, which is morrow, the number four, nc.com.
That's M-O-R-R-O-W, the number four, nc.com. Amen. Awesome. Make sure you guys check it out. Lots of great content coming your way the rest of this week. Make sure you tune in.
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