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Well, judging on the intro, I'm going to go ahead and say yes. Oh, I did it for sure, brother. I did it. A couple days ago, I ranted and raved about Walmart.
Not in a positive way. Yeah. I went off. You said some hurtful things. I said some hurtful things. I made some very... You've heard from the CEO. Yeah.
Aggressive letters and illustrations that I made. Walmart struck back. Struck back?
Oh, no. Walmart got its revenge, and I hate to even say that, but it became this thing where... I went to Walmart this morning. Melissa, who's our secretary here at church and our office manager, said, hey, guys, for lunch, we're going to do just salads or whatever. If you want sandwich stuff, go to the store and get it. I said, I'm right here by Walmart. I'll swing in. I'll get me some bread, some bologna, some mustard.
Keep it simple. Keep it nice. So I went on in there, right? I see a friend of mine who went to high school with me. A shout-out to Kyron Glover. That was his name.
Sure. Kyron Glover. Hi, Kyron.
Great, great. What's going on, Kyron? It's good to see you. It was good to see you in Walmart this morning. Here's what wasn't good. I saw him, and I was like, I think that's Kyron.
I'm going to go talk to him. I was looking kind of nice. I was wearing this. I had my khakis on, my nice brown shoes. I was feeling good. High school was a long time ago. I was kind of scrawny. I was nerdy.
I was dorky. I work out now. I've got some muscles on me.
I've filled out a little bit. I want to impress this, because this guy's jacked as heck. This guy's big.
Like, bodybuilder big. So I was like, hey, Kyron Glover. He was like, John, what's up, man? We hugged. We dapped it up.
We did all sorts of great stuff. He's like, how you doing, man? I was like, I'm doing good, man. I'm at a church here in town, and I'm working out. I'm feeling healthy. All this stuff, we just caught up. It was really good. I walked away feeling super confident.
Sure. Fly was down the whole time. Oh, no. My fly was down the whole time. I went to go get the bread. I dropped it. Bent down to drop it. Caught a view of my own pants area.
Saw my fly was just 100% down. I hate that for you. I so hate that for you. This is really a did I do that.
I should have done the theme music. Oh, man. On a regular weekend, we spend time in front of a large group of people. All three of us are on the table.
We interact with a large group of people, most of the time from the front of a crowd. I am compulsively checking my pants throughout Sunday morning, just to make sure, is everything still the way it needs to be? It's bad, man. My fly's not down. It's bad.
Make sure everything is where it needs to be. It only happens every now and again, but the thing is, you'll never know who noticed. That's true. Because no one's going to say.
No. Now, if they do tell you, hey, man, hey, hey, come here, come here, man, hey, your fly's down right now. That's a good friend. That's a good friend.
But they are few and far between. Most people will just notice. Just leave you there. And then leave it, and then never say anything. So that was the thing.
I have no clue. I can only assume that he saw. I can only assume that he saw it. You've got to look out for each other, especially when you're on a team. Fashion faux pas, you've got to watch out, watch each other's backs, straighten collars if they're flipped up, fix jackets.
You've got to look out for one another. And here at Cleve, I've got a good team for that, because they'd just be flipping my collars for me all the time, helping me straighten my tie and my jacket. But this today, I was on my own, and I didn't do well. I'll just say that. I didn't do well.
I hate that for you. If you've ever had anybody correct a fashion faux pas for you, write in and let us know. 252-582-5028. Or you can visit us online at cleveoutodayshow.com. Stay tuned.
We'll be right back. As many of you know, Dr. Shaw is our lead pastor here at Clearview Church. And every single week, he preaches expository messages that challenge and inspire us to live godly lives. One of our core values at Clearview Church is that we're a Bible believing church, which means that every single sermon is coming directly from the text. And it's great because whether you're driving, cleaning the house, working out, whatever you're doing, you're listening and receiving timeless biblical truths. And God works through every sermon differently, which means you're always going to get something new. Sometimes it'll be conviction.
Sometimes it'll be encouragement. That's right. And you guys can check out sermons by Abaddon Shaw, Ph.D. on the Apple Podcast app. You can find it on our website as well. That's clearviewbc.org. You can even read the transcripts of every message on Dr. Shaw's website. That's AbaddonShaw.com. Love it. John, you ready to hop back in? Let's do it. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abaddon Shaw, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
You can visit us online at cleveoutodayshow.com or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. And we're back once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abaddon Shaw, who's a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full time pastor and the host of today's show. Dr. Shaw, you're a very well put together man, if I may say that. You're very sharp. You're well dressed. You're very aware of yourself, your appearance, your surroundings. Have you ever found that in the middle of a Wal-Mart, your fly is down while talking to someone that you hadn't seen in 10, 15 years?
What do you do? I wasn't expecting that. I'll tell you what happened. We were in D.C. some time back. I had taken a group of 45, 44 people to you were there.
Your family was there to the Bible Museum. And so we were staying at a hotel. And the next morning, as I was checking out, I got in there, there was a man and a woman, I think maybe husband, wife, I guess. And so I said, yeah, do a zipper check to the man. And he said, no English. So I did the sign and his wife like told him pull up your zipper. And he's like, oh, thank you. Thank you. You're a good friend for that, man.
You're a good citizen for that. You got to look out for it. Sometimes you don't know you miss it. It can happen to anyone, but it ain't going to happen to me.
Have you ever, has it ever happened to you? No, I am very, very, very, very careful. Very careful. Before I get up to preach, I will always kind of check my nose right quick and always check my zipper. Those are two things I always check.
There you go. So you never caught with the zipper down? Never caught unawares. My biggest fear is when I see, I get up in the morning, I lately haven't been getting up that early. I've been staying up too late. Like last night was up until two reading and studying. I fell asleep on the couch and then ended up reading and studying for a while. And then two o'clock I'm like, I got to go to sleep. So, but typically I would get up at like six o'clock, study for a while.
And I'm like in deep studying. And I stop after devotions and all that, and I will eat and then go to the gym to work out. Sometimes, not always, sometimes when I'm getting out of the car, I check to make sure I have my pants on. What? Yes. Like your workout pants?
No, just pants. Why? Why? Because I am so caught up in studying. My biggest fear is I just walked out and went no pants.
But you don't wear, but you're, but you wear pants when you study. Yeah. Yeah.
I have boxers and stuff like that. So that's my biggest fear, biggest fear. And there are times I have actually got out and like, yeah, I'm okay. Your heart kind of seizes off for a minute.
Yes, it does. Now I have walked out of the house and got into my car without a shirt on and I'm like, what am I, what am I doing? Yeah. Because your mind is so wrapped up in, look today I have, I have a counseling session. I got to teach a Bible study.
I have to finish this paper. I have to meet with this, with the building. So I'm, I'm, I'm walking with that in my mind. So I'm like, pants, pants. Oh, but you've never actually made it out of the house. No, no, that's good. I'm always, I know better, but it just momentarily, it just hits me. It's like, do I have a mom? Yes, I do. Just a quick check.
And you're a board member there too. Yeah, that would not be good. Walking around in my boxers. Yeah, that'd be bad. It sounds like a bad dream come true. Not good. There you go.
All right. So the day today is coming from first Corinthians chapter nine, verse 25. And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we, for an imperishable crown. One thing I think you're very good at Dr. Shah is keeping your eyes on the ultimate prize.
I'm one of my weaknesses as I'm short-sighted and which is helpful in the short term because it's like, Hey, I just want this goal done no matter what. So it's getting it done. Cause it's got my a hundred percent focus, but we're also very tech minded. So it's like, we're going to get this really nice microphone and this great soundboard and the, and the, all this stuff. And it's like, okay, why? It's like, so what we put out will be excellent, but then that's typically where most of us stop. Well, but why do you want it to be excellent?
Because people are more likely to come to it and come to know Jesus. And I would go one step further. If we knew the president of the United States. Okay. I don't know if that's a good example or not, but anyway. But we'll see.
We'll see. Let's just say George Washington was the president. I will even take Thomas Jefferson.
You know, I would want to give my very best, very, very best. Now think about God, the living, true triune creator, sustainer. God is the one that we are drawing our attention to.
Doesn't he deserve our very, very, very, very, very best. That's how I see it. That's how I see it. I don't feel like in many churches, let me, let me just back up for a moment. The church we came to, you know, it was a building, different part of town, and it was kind of, you know, we were not growing and then we, we, we, we want to went through a time of change and move to where we are today. But one thing I noticed when we came there is, and it was not because of the people, it was just, they had, they had become sort of apathetic and just given up that we're not going to grow. We're not growing. No pastor sticks around.
We just can't, don't seem to have it. The church was so dilapidated. It was so sad.
The paint on the wall was falling apart. The floor, it was like a 500 seat auditorium with only 20 people. And parts of the church, they weren't even clean. Like we had like three massive rows.
Okay. Big row in the center, two rows in the sides. And, and it's part of the, they weren't even clean because they were like, and so Nicole would do that. You know, we had like twice a year cleaning thing. They wouldn't clean and say, why are we not cleaning? Because nobody sits there. Wow.
No one's going to sit there anyways. What an attitude. We'll just let it get. Yeah. And so we, I took it very personalized. So, you know, our homes, even our, our gardening sheds are better than this church.
Something needs to change. So that became like a personal point for me. Excellence is so important. We've got to give God our very best. That, that was my motivation.
Anyways, that was a long story. And I love that because that, that culture is firmly established here in everything that we do, we're striving for excellence, not perfection because you know, perfection is, is kind of a pipe dream. We keep, we're never going to be perfect whenever you reach perfection. It's excellence.
That's right. But we're striving for excellence because God deserves excellence. And your congregation members, at a hundred percent, and your congregation members appreciate it. I mean, I'm speaking as one who sits under your preaching. I appreciate, and I respect the, the, the time and effort that goes into building this place because I directly benefit from it.
And so does my family. And my dad told me that years ago when I was complaining about it, and there's only 20 people there, and I don't think they understand my accent. I don't think some of them have hearing aids. They don't know what I'm saying. So I don't even know if I'm making a difference. It just seems like I'm talking in air.
That's about it. And he said, no, you don't need to think like that. Preach like there, there are 5,000 people in that, in that auditorium. And that changed my perspective. So I used to study like it was my life dependent on me.
I used to just think that the whole auditorium is filled. And so I worked towards excellence. Thank, thank, thank goodness for my, thank God for my dad. And you know, that culture of excellence, Dr. Shah, we appreciate that because there's a lot of people in churches today that don't even maybe don't think about it or just don't care about it.
Like, diminish it. I saw a TikTok and we're going to pull it up. We're going to talk about it. But I saw a TikTok of this woman who, it was crazy because not only did she not appreciate the excellence that goes into planning the service, but believe it or not, did you guys know, because you guys are very excellent planners. Did you guys know that you're manipulators for that?
You guys, because I'm not a great planner at all. So I'm in the clear. You're not a manipulator. But you guys are very good at planning events, making sure that everything goes, you know, swimmingly, everything is smooth.
Everybody has a great time. That makes you manipulators. I don't know if you guys knew that. I hate to hear that. So if a person plans their wedding, they're manipulating the other person.
Emotionally. That's exactly right. It's a form. It's actually a form of abuse.
And I'd never knew that. Thank goodness for creators like this. This woman.
Yeah, no, to showing us the light. This woman posted this on TikTok. It kind of blew up a little bit. I couldn't find the original video.
This is someone that someone reposted, but I had like 9,000 likes and comments. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Let's see what you got. When you go to church, everything is planned and staged. From the moment you drive onto the property, you're being manipulated. Oh. Why do you think they're holding signs in the parking lot telling you that you're family when they've never met you? Pause it real quick.
Dr. Shah, you ever eat an Olive Garden? Yeah. You know how they say you're here, you're family?
Guess what? They manipulated you, my friend. By the way, there's this smugness in the eyes. Sorry. Sorry, folks. I'm judging her motives.
But that smugness almost always gets me. It's like, yeah, I'm going to tell you. This is how it is. Yeah.
Like, okay, please drop some truth. I didn't know that, but when you're- And this video itself is a response to this comment. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. That's true. So the comment up top, if you want to just pull that back, it says, the comment on top says, was on staff at a large church with quote, contemporary worship.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. From the greetings in the North and North Ex. North Ex is like the lobby. It's like the lobby.
The North Ex. Okay. To the prayers, to the music, the message plus emotional call is all planned and staged.
So this woman's reacting to that comment or responding to that comment. And if you're a first time guest, you're going to get swag, you're going to get gift cards, maybe even free coffee from the church cafe. Then there's the pre-service music, the countdown, the worship set, the transition, the announcements, the offering, the message, the altar call, the dismissal and your exit.
All planned. I was on a worship team. So you know how we crack it up. You know how Dr. Shaw, when you go to like, let's say the Olive Garden again, you go to a restaurant, right? Did you know you're actually not allowed to go into the kitchen where they're preparing the meal? They have a special little section that you have to sit in reserve just for you.
And that's where you have to sit. And did you know that before you ordered that item on the menu, those ingredients were pre-selected for that. It's all planned.
It's all staged. If you go into an Olive Garden and try to order sushi, guarantee you it's not going to happen. They actually have these pre-planned dishes on their menus. They're manipulating you into eating what they want you to eat.
And how about Texas Roar House when they put those steaks behind the glass and I'm hungry and I just want to eat them all. That's manipulation. Yeah, their dishes, their drinks, all of it. And you may be entitled to compensation.
And when they put those little slices of the various desserts up there. Abuse. Oh, okay. That's abuse. What if I want to abuse myself and eat all the cheesecake of every kind and the carrot cake on top of that. Yeah, you can't go in there and just do what you want. Because they want me to die. See what she says.
I was on a worship team and we had a green room and we were told to not stay in the green room before the service and in between services, but to go into the lobby and talk to people to make people feel connected. Pause for just a second. Pause for just a second. Why is that bad? Why is that bad?
That's great. Why is that a bad thing? Because we have people who don't connect.
Guess what? That's the goal. That's the model is that people should be trying to connect with other people. That's policy at Clearview Church. The people on my welcome team, I'm sorry, the people on the worship team are not allowed to hang out in the back hallway and congregate. They have to go out there and guess what?
They have to be members of the church that they, why is that bad? We were told to go out and talk to people and make them feel connected. Great. Okay. Fantastic. Fantastic.
Love that. But you're manipulating them. That's what she's saying. I got you. This is not proving the point that you think it's proving. Go ahead.
So that when they see you on the stage, they can relate to you to make sure that that worship set is clean and there's no hiccups. I wonder how much time does she spend on getting the light, the lighting right for this video, for her makeup that she did, for that nice yellow disarming shirt and that childlike bow in her hair. We know it's purposely that bow because it makes her look like she is like seven. She's innocent. She's innocent. Just a, just a, this is, this is who she is. Right. She's not trying to manipulate you. Nope.
She's an innocent, because an innocent person like a child, you know what they are? They're a victim. Yeah. So that's what that is. So you're manipulating us. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not, okay. Continue.
No hiccups. We've already done a run through. We've already practiced the entire set several times. Great. One time I was doing a special song after the message and during the run through the lead pastor was watching me to make sure that I was doing it the way he wanted.
How do you know that? It wasn't even a worship song. It was a song to be performed. So I was sitting on a stool and I had my eyes open. And so he comes over and tells me, you need to close your eyes so that people are feeling the moment. And so I did. And it gave the vibe that he wanted during worship sets. That's just a stage note.
That's fine. Also, I mean, we do the, we actually do the exact opposite. We're like, Hey, keep your eyes open so people can connect with you. But at the same time, that's fun.
That's why that's a stage note. That happens all the time. Sad, sad, sad. I don't know what happened to this lady right here, folks.
I don't know. Oh, I know what happened to her. Her pastor had told her to give her a note and she couldn't stand it. Yeah, I guess.
Or somebody better came and started singing. So she got demoted. I don't know what happened to her, but she is upset. She's angry.
She's hurt. And this is the thing. But it will never be said like that.
And again, we cannot judge motives, but it'll always be presented in some other way. Sounds familiar. Oh yeah, it does. It sounds like I've heard this before. Here, we're almost done. Worship leaders are told whether they can say something, when they can say it, and how long they have to say it. And the pastors have rehearsed and rehearsed their sermon. Oh, wait. We need to get her with, where is that?
What is it? He needs to jump on her and tell her it's not a sermon. Right. There's no such thing. Have rehearsed and rehearsed their sermon like a speech. So what are they just supposed to get out there and just shoot from the hip? That's what I'm saying. What is your view? Because clearly the church has not met your ideal.
What is the view? Spontaneity? We come to this place and everyone's like, no one knows what to do. Let's do something. But that's what the early church did, right? I see it.
That's what the early church did. We start singing and, oh man, we're going to sing and this sounds great. And I have a word to say. Is that it? Is that the model that she wants? I don't even know if that's what she'll feel comfortable in.
I think it's just, she wants TikTok. I love what you said because a lot of times I feel like people have, and other than just this one, this is an extreme example, but I feel like people have fallen into the mindset of spontaneity means spirit led. Which is genuine. If it just kind of flows out of me, if it sort of overtakes me, that must be from the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit works in the planning, in the prep as well. It's not, sometimes there can be that spontaneity. Sometimes there can be that moment, but most of the time it's in the planning and the preparation. There have been times where I've said something off the cuff and it really, really landed and people really connected to it, but I didn't walk away feeling convinced that the Holy Spirit gave it to me. I felt like I just kind of got lucky or I, or I just had a sudden thought that was, that was good. And that doesn't mean that that was sinful or bad, but I've had very, very, very rarely.
I don't, I can't think of any time where I've said something off the cuff, it hit well. And then I was like, God gave me that in the moment. Yeah. We have to be careful there too, because sometimes I've heard people say that, you know, you know, folks, God told me this week, just be careful when we say that because how are you, are you sure? Are you sure? You know, some things, yes.
Some things maybe just, it just came to you. God is super, you know, super intending the entire process, but to then to say this little statement or this little thought, what if that turns out to be horrible? That's true. So if that decision really kills a lot of ministry, does that mean God was behind killing that ministry?
Right. So we have to be, have a sense of trepidation, you know, a sense of hesitation when we say, Oh, this, this is from God. I think that's one of the, that's one of the benefits, one of the many benefits to you being a scholar, you know, alongside being a pastor, I wouldn't say a scholar first or a pastor first, but, but you're both, you're a hundred percent both. And I think that's, that's one of the benefits is that I can't just say whatever I want. I'm a scholar.
You know, I'm a PhD. People are listening to what I say and if I'm wrong, they will jump on it. So if I say something, if I make a statement, it better be right. Well, I've had people who are colleagues, scholars, people from overseas who are in seminary who are listening to our sermon on a regular basis. They tell us that.
They tell me that they comment under the Facebook live, they comment on YouTube. So I know that my message cannot just be shoot from the hip. It needs to be properly exegeted and then presented in an expository manner with evangelistic emphasis that it has a good balance of learning the word at the same time, calling people to action, whether it is to be saved or to repent or to practice what the word of God has said in the power of the Holy Spirit. So all of that takes time to learn and study and get as close to the truth as possible. Even then, I don't ever say, this sermon was given to me by God. I'm hesitant to say that. I understand. I'm preaching the word, but just know that I am doing the best I can with the life of Christ in me, in the power of the Holy Spirit, as I'm taking all that I have learned and studying that passage with my life experiences, bringing it to the level people can understand and take.
I'm doing the best I can. And I think it's very clear that that this woman has never had to bear the responsibility of preparing even a single sermon. She's never had to bear the responsibility of preparing a worship set. She may have served, but it's very easy to criticize when someone else is doing the legwork and providing a framework for you to succeed, then it's easy to say, well, you've staged everything.
It's all fake. All you're worried about is your image, but you haven't actually put in the time to be excellent. You don't know what it takes to make a sermon excellent. There may be churches out there, and I'm sure there are, who are very, very, very programmed and structured and just designed to manipulate people. I'm sure there are churches like that. In fact, I know one or two that are like that.
Does that mean that every church out there that has similar practices are coming from the same motive? Because you're judging motives. How do you know that person? One thing I found about judging people, which we've seen lately in the TikToks, is a lot of times people judge others based on how they see themselves. That's what's happening.
Yeah. That's a good point. Darshan, in the time that we have left, can you speak to sort of the opposite end of the spectrum from this woman who's criticizing over-planning and over-prepping and scheduling and rehearsing everything? What is the benefit? Because that's something that we do here at Clearview. We strategize about what our services need to look like. What is the experience a person needs to have on Sunday morning? Can you speak to why that's important and why God moves in that process? To me, there's a balance. There's a balance in the sense of I have a living, vital relationship with Jesus Christ, and I have to maintain that through my time of prayer, devotion, walking in holiness, being obedient and submissive and submitted to the Holy Spirit and to the lordship of Christ in my life and all that is there, and I'm a person who is being led by God. At the same time, I have also to make sure that whatever is happening is not just done by me showing up Sunday morning and letting whatever was bubbling inside of me just explode.
Because that may not go the way I think it may go. That may come from a place of pride that I have so much to offer. Just get out of the way, let me get up there and turn me loose and see what will happen. That comes from a place of pride.
So there's more involved there. So yes, there is a place for me just walking with God and having a relationship and what comes forth is just what's inside of me. But understanding what can happen when I come in contact with you or having a bad day or the enemy working, I need to also plan. I need to plan what's going to happen so that when these attacks come or my own self gets in the way or somebody distracts me that I'm not disheveled. That throws a wet blanket on me that I'm not going over there and it's like, well, I had this whole plan, now it's pretty much done. But if I have a plan that says, here's the message, if you know how I preach, the main point of our message today is this, God will, whatever it is, that's already laid out. So now I have the freedom to go, if something does derail me, I know which way to go. I know where I'm coming back to, that's right.
Yes. And when you have that conviction that this person is truly up here with the goal of saving people from going to hell forever and being lost in their sins, because I truly believe that, then I don't mind it. Him rehearsing his message and everything being planned and the lights, all that stuff doesn't bother you.
But when you're bitter and when you're hurt, yeah, that stuff will bother you. Of course. That points us to the importance of excellence.
So good. So important for us, especially in the context of ministry, of church leadership. Hopefully today was beneficial for you. Write in and let us know what you got from today's episode, 2525825028, or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. Don't forget, you can partner with us financially on that same website.
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