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Then he arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm. Imagine waking Jesus up from a nap, and that's what you get hit with. And notice, Jesus's first response is not immediately to leap, like, What's going on?
Start going into panic mode and start just saving them. He doesn't save them first. Instead, he asks them, Why is it that you're afraid? And he comments on their lack of faith. Like, imagine being in a storm, but now you're having to answer questions. But it's like, Jesus, I've got to answer them.
Yeah. And I love the fact that Jesus, you know, he's God. He could have prevented the storm. He could have kept them from sailing into the storm, but he went in the storm with them. And I think that shows us a very beautiful picture that sometimes God is going to not prevent the storms in your life, but he's with you in the storm. He is your calm in the storm. Right, right. Christ's primary concern is that you trust him, even if the waves are crashing and all that nice Christian imagery about going through troubles in life.
His primary concern is that you trust him. And the best way to do that is to get yourself in the Word of God daily. We want to help you do that with today's sponsor. It's the Date the Word app.
You can find some links in the description below. But Ryan, my friend, I do have a question for you. Oh, here it is. Oh, and I love money. And I've always said that. I've always loved money. I'm telling you right now, loving money, there's nothing wrong with it. You can let it just take over your whole life if you want to. I remember when they invented money. I always hated it.
I always hated it. All right. So, obviously, we're being facetious. Don't have an over-love of money. But today, I'm not even going to ask you a million-dollar question.
This one's going to be a little bit different. I'm not going to help you make no money. I'm going to help you save a little bit of money. I'm going to help you save some money. Here's what we're going to do. Right now, we are in, Ryan and myself and nobody else, is in the middle of an expansion next door. We're building a new sanctuary, a new worship center.
I don't know if you've ever worked construction before or been involved in the construction process. It can get kind of pricey. It can get a little bit expensive. But there's all sorts of ways to save money, including one that I've come up with today. I'm going to give you a D20. For those of you who don't know what a D20 is, it's a 20-sided dice. You roll it, it's going to be any number one through 20. If you roll a two through a 19, we're going to multiply that number by 1,000 and deduct that from the final cost of the new building. Chances are good. That's most of the faces of the dice. That's a 90% chance you'll be fine and that they'll take some money off. If you roll a 14, $14,000 just came off the final bill. I love that. If you roll a nat 20, the whole building's free. Wow. If you roll a natural 20 on a D20, no modifiers, nothing like that, we're getting to just a new sanctuary for free.
Sure, sure, sure, sure. But if you roll... There is one more number.
A nat one. If you roll a one, a 5% chance, you have to pay for the new building. Out of my own money?
The Hill family fronts the bill, and that's legally binding. There's only a 5% chance it could go wrong. There's a 5% chance it could go really great, and there's a 90% chance we'll save a little bit of money. Or you can say, no thank you, gambling's not for me, especially with a building that's not mine. I mean, that feels like the right choice, but the choice that I would probably make is I'm going to take the deal. Yeah, because it's like, it's not my money to be gambling with, but I want to help. Right.
Like it's still my church. Right. All right, I've got a virtual D20 right here. Okay. All right. I'm going to just roll it. Roll it. Well, I'm coming with you and I'm saying, sir, do you want to even take this deal? Yes, yes. All right.
We got to roll the celestial dice. It's a six. We just take $6,000.
$6,000. Sure, sure. Now, that's not a whole lot.
No, but I mean, it's a chunk. So I tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to let you roll again. I'm going to let you roll again. You can roll until you decide it's too dangerous. Really? Roll it again.
Yeah, you can roll again. All right, $6,000. $16,000. $16,000. All right, so $16,000 plus $6,000, that's a lot of math. I don't know. $22,000.
$22,000. We just came off. You saved us a little chunk of change. That's feeling big. You want to stop?
No, roll it again. $15,000. All right, I'm going to stop there. I'm going to stop there. You get a little chunk of money and then you start to get scared. I understand completely. That's not the way chance works.
I understand that. I understand how probability works, but I'm going to stop it there. What's bad about games like this is I start to actually get excited and I feel like we actually just saved $50,000.
We're going to stop recording. I just saved $50,000. No, I didn't. None of that's real. It's all made up. I want to call Dr. Sean and tell him the good news.
We just saved $50,000 on our new money. It's still made up. I wonder if he would take that deal. Maybe. I don't know. It's gambling adjacent. I don't know. Yeah, but it's fantasy gambling because it can't actually happen.
Not adjacent. I mean, it is actually gambling. If the money was real, it would actually be gambling. I think if someone came in here and actually was doing this, like if the contractor came in here and actually wanted to do this. That's a crazy business model. Yeah, I think we would probably think twice. Yeah, probably.
I don't know, but it's fun on the show. Write in and let us know if you would take that deal. Roll a 20, and whatever that project is for you, paid off. Your mortgage, your car, student loans, whatever that is for you, paid off. But if you get a one... Please don't get a one. You're responsible.
Which I guess you would be responsible for your student loans anyway. Anyway, write in and let us know. 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. What's going on, listeners? My name is John.
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All right. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abbadon Shaw, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028.
That's right, and we're back once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadon Shaw, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show, Dr. Shaw. Unfortunately, I'm all out of million-dollar checks. I was going to ask you a million-dollar question. I do find that I'm a little bit light, but I found a good way to save some money, and I want to see if you're interested.
As you know, we're in the middle of a big construction process with our new sanctuary here at Clearview. Someone's going to give you a D20. It's a 20-sided dice. 20-sided dice? 20-sided dice. It's a dice with 20 sides.
It's got numbered one through 20. You're just going to roll it. If you roll anything between a two and a 19, which is a- So most of the numbers. 90% chance you'll roll something like that. That degree of $1,000 is taking off the final bill of the new building.
That times what? $1,000. If you roll a 19, $19,000 gets taken off the final. They'll say, hey, you can roll again if you want to. If you roll a 20, 5% chance of that happening, the entire building is paid for free. 20 is free? 20 is free. But if you roll a one, the entire building is paid for out of your personal- Now I have to pay for it.
You got to pay for the building. And one and 20, there are no re-roll options. No, no, the game's over. Would you play that game? Hmm. Now, you know how I feel about gambling. True. That's one of the things your dad always- He did warn you.
Wine, women, and gambling. Don't do it, son. That doesn't work out well for you.
That's one of those moments where dad's words just kind of come back and you're like, hmm. But if I had to, I would, gosh, I would at least try one. Yeah, you can do it. You can do it and be like, oh, I got a 19.
I just saved the church $19,000. Let me stop. I may try one more. You might?
Really? Yeah, I'll do one more. Chances are you won't get a one.
Probably, maybe. Let me get a RGN going here. Let me get a random number generator.
They got a D20 website. Dr. Shaw, I'm going to give you a free roll. I have a D20 right here if you want to roll it.
Go for it. Roll one for Dr. Shaw. We're talking about gambling here. Here goes D20 roll. This was all against my conviction, folks.
Finally found us. Here we go. Three.
It's all hypothetical money. Two. Two, one. Go ahead. One.
What is it? A nine. All right, $9,000. Okay, $9,000. Okay.
$9,000. So that's taken off the final bill. Would you like to roll again? We can use that to buy some other musical instruments. Or we can upgrade the podcast studio, but you can roll again if you like.
Would you like to roll again? Sure. All right. Go for it.
One, two, three. Should I say hit me? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Hit me. $8,000.
$8,000. Oh, that's good. You could stop. Keep going. Third time's the charm. Okay.
All right. Three, two, one. Five. Do you have to do the $3,200? $5,000?
$5,000? Can I just roll it? I can. I just think it's fun. Okay, yeah.
I don't want to hear the $3,200. Okay. That makes me...
I'm hearing those low numbers. It's making me nervous. Sorry. We've saved... We've saved, let's see, five plus nine plus eight. Keep going, David.
That's a lot of money. All right. All right. Hit me.
Hit him. Three. $3,000.
This is a low roll. We're getting close to one. Two.
Shout out to the two crew. I don't know if we should... One more. Seven. Seven.
Okay. So we're saving a lot of money here. We're going to stop on the holy number. I'm going to stop right there. And we're done there. But we saved a bit.
I would say we saved close to $30,000, $40,000 on the new one. Yeah. Now, let me talk to our good people who are listening. There you go. Do not gamble.
It's not good for you. Lottery is one of the worst things that's happened in our world. 100% agree.
This is all hypothetical. Don't go out there and say, I'm not clear for this show. They told me to do this.
By the way, all those slot machines are done that way. Oh, yeah. It gives you that feeling of, huh. And also, who was I listening to? I cannot remember now. But I think it was... Cal Newport.
Cal Newport. Yes. Thank you, David.
David, who is an MIT grad and a professor, and he's written books on concentration and all those things. He said, even our social media feeds, the way they are designed, you pull down and refresh it. Yeah. It's supposed to give you that high, it's like, I wonder what I'm going to get in that. It's something new. It's the motion of a slot machine. You pull down and it refreshes.
And literally, the wheel spins, and then it pops up. It's like, oh, I got three more numbers there. It's three notifications waiting for me. Yeah. 100%. Even I, when I refresh a page, I get excited because I'm like, I'm about to see something new.
I have no clue what it's going to be. Or Instagram, other things. You know, they're designed in such a way, it's like, you like that? Try this. You like that too?
Try this. Yeah. You know what's funny? Because if you're hooked, they're making money. Even after this disclaimer of, hey guys, we're joking around, don't gamble, I guarantee you we're going to get some texts being like, y'all should not be talking about gambling.
Well, that's why I'm talking to you now. Listeners and viewers, you're gambling every time you're sitting on that toilet seat for an hour and a half refreshing your post to see if someone liked your picture from the beach. That's right. That's the only thing refreshing in there. And your grandkids, they're getting the little awards, and you're refreshing it again. It's no different than that slot machine. You need to stop. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, we know. You need to concentrate on your table, monitoring your screen time for five minutes. You ain't even reading the Bible.
Screen an hour and a half in the bathroom. Scrolling on your... We know. We know that. That's right. You version is not open. No.
No, it is not. Shadow version. Speaking of versions of the Bible, I mean, it's interesting you bring that up. We talked last week about things like, we got into some deep theological issues. We did.
Things like speaking in tongues and prophecy and things like that. Yeah. And we got a lot of responses from those episodes. That's true. That's right.
People from all different backgrounds, all different walks of life, but all wondering if all of this comes from scripture, if all of it comes from God's word, how in the world do we arrive at so many different conclusions or interpretations if it's all based on the same text? True. It's interpretation.
Yeah. The principles that you're applying. And I know it's hard, but you have to be consistent in the application. Of course, understanding the genre that you're studying, understanding the context. Context is king. Understanding all those things, you have to then consistently apply interpretation, which means this. I cannot say, oh, I like this passage.
I really want to keep it. So I'm going to apply this principle here. Oh, I don't like, I don't care about this passage, whatever, whatever. Or I really want this viewpoint and I know this particular way of hermeneutics is going to really give me that outcome. So I'm going to really keep that, you know, stick to it.
If you do stuff like that, then just know you're not consistent. And that, unfortunately, is not just in the Pentecostal world, it's also in the Reformed world. OK? And I am a child of the Reformation, so don't think for a moment that justification by faith is anything to dismiss. I mean, I hold on tightly to that.
Right. Topino substitutionary atonement, I hold on tightly to that. I mean, so eternal security, I hold on tightly to that.
You know, it's all by grace through faith, nothing of yourself, no works you can bring. I hold on very tightly to that. But then there are other doctrines, you know, we even, we hear sometimes when people is like, you know, with the election thing, how do you consider Romans 9? It's like, no, never heard of that. Yeah. There's a ninth chapter of Romans 9? I thought it was straight from 8 to 10.
Yeah, I thought it was like a hotel skipping the 13th floor. Yeah, it's like, it didn't exist. No. Yeah, we have. Thank you for educating us.
It's like Windows software, like they never do 9, they just go from 8 straight to 10. Have you read Romans Vista? Nice, dude. Hold on one second. I got to give you respect for that. Thank you. I mean, in fact, tune in because we're going to do a series on Romans 9-11 as we kick off our prophecy series right here at Clearview.
Not very long from now, but the whole point is, is you have to be very consistent in your hermeneutics. Yeah. And I think a lot of people think that when you don't interpret the Bible correctly, it's ultimately harmless. You know what I mean?
Like they think, well, you know, I just, I just have some weird ideas or this is just something that I think they don't see the cost in poor biblical interpretation. Right. Right. There's tremendous cost. I mean, your eternal security depends on it.
Yeah. If you are going to espouse a biblical worldview or an idea that is not biblical, it may be very costly. Now, some, you know, some piddly things may not be extraneous doctrines, but then there may be some that may impact your gospel presentation.
If I think everybody's elected and going to heaven anyways, you say, well, but then our missionaries, you know, who are very Calvinist. I hear you. I hear you.
But that's not the rule. That's just the, you know, you know, the anomalies. Right. Yeah. Majority of the time, the church became very dead until people came who said whosoever will may come. Right.
Right. You know, whosoever will may come. That's why the revivals came when Wesley came around. Of course, Whitfield, too, which was very Calvinistic. But Wesley and then later on, Charles Finney, I don't agree with Charles Finney's complete theology, but that was part of that movement that said, no, you want God in your life? You want to be saved? You want Jesus Christ?
Come. And so anyways, I'm kind of getting off track here, but I'm just telling you, it is, you know, it matters. Yeah, absolutely. But I think there's people who are listening who don't realize that happens as frequently as it does. I mean, for us to hear like, like you said earlier, Dr. Shaw, I know that this particular hermeneutic or this particular style of interpretation is going to get me to the result that I want.
So that's the one that I'm going to employ. I mean, that sounds outlandish to some people who are listening, but that's more common than we might realize. Yeah. It happens in even among some very good, well-meaning people. And it happens among cults. A lot of, wow, that's a great point.
A lot of people, I think probably wouldn't look at it this way, but at least I see, and maybe, maybe there's some, some overlap here, but I see you have biblical scholars and you have pastors, but it's very rare to have someone who's both and who is, is bringing that because if you're a biblical scholar, then you're just looking at the text. I'm just trying to figure out, am I right? Are you right? Are you wrong? Whereas what pastor, this is feeding my congregation, this is spiritually feeding my flock.
So to take someone, do you find it's difficult to balance them or is it like, no, the only way to do it is to balance them? If you take your task seriously, and my dad is the one who challenged me to do that years ago when I told my dad, I think we're going to leave the church. We're going to go here and there, try something else.
The church is very small. It's not growing. They don't want to follow. They don't want to, you know, attempt all these great things that I'm suggesting. He said, no, here's what I want to suggest to you. And if you would listen, I said, okay, I'll listen. I want you to dig into the word and preach the word, preach the word of God.
And at first I was sort of like, ah, you don't understand. No, but what he was saying is get into the word. In fact, I gave the same advice to a pastor who came to me about maybe about six, seven months ago, maybe a little longer, maybe eight months ago. He came to me, you know, just wanted to learn from me and listen to any words of wisdom I had because I've been here at the first, this is my first and only church. And we've been here 26 years now and God is blessing tremendously. Not because of my faithfulness, it's because of God.
But faithfulness is his requirement to bless. And he asked me, you know, he said, I'm trying to bring in this revitalization team. I'm trying to do this.
I'm trying to do that. I was like, that's great. That's great. I said, if I can suggest something to you, he's like, oh yes, absolutely. That's why I'm meeting with you. He's like, okay. So what I would suggest to you is start preaching, start digging into the word, start asking yourself the hard questions, start, don't just perish something from your favorite preacher or theologian or somebody you heard growing up or, you know, really, you know, you fell in love with through a seminary prof or whatever, no, you do your work and start preaching and see what God will do. I hope he's listening.
I don't know. I think that's something that people struggle with because they want, I think, I think there is a genuine desire to love the Bible and yet a lot of us don't read it. And I remember one thing that you said, I think we feel guilty for having to foster a love for the Bible. And I remember one thing you told me that kind of encouraged me was the reason that you chose textual criticism is because it forced you to look at the text. And I remember thinking like, wow, he didn't have to beat himself up like, man, I wish I just loved the Bible more. It's like, no, I'm going to discipline myself rather than seeking motivation.
I'm just going to seek discipline and get into the text, whether I feel like it or not. That's right. That's right. Yeah.
I really respect that. Well, even this morning I was up at four o'clock, not by choice. It just, I'm like wide awake, just like this. And I'm like, okay, this is great.
I'm going to go make me some tea, made myself some tea, sat down and began to work through textual criticism, just looking at things that I'm working on right now, because that's my passion. Yeah. Yeah.
Amen. You know, we talk about this a lot and I think we've talked about this on the show before, but when you approach the Bible, I know you said you always approach it with the incarnational model. What do you mean by that? So when we talk about the incarnational model of scripture, what I'm referring to here is just the way Jesus was both divine and human.
Okay. So we know that he was fully God, but also became fully man. And if you remember, I talked about Karl Barth really helped me in this understanding. It's not like he became, of course it happened. It took place 2000 years ago when fully God became fully man. But that was something already agreed upon since eternity, at which point, I don't know. That's for God to decide. So when somebody asks the question, at what point did God become more, I'm like, if we know who God is and if he's already made up his mind, then in that sense, he was already more.
He was already complete. For us who are time bound, it happened 2000 years ago. We can mark a point where I said that happened historically.
And it definitely is a historical event. But from God's perspective, who's outside of time, he was always. So incarnational model, it's an analogy. It's saying just like Jesus is fully God, fully man. Scripture is fully God's word, but also fully man's word.
Written by... Okay. Right. And just the way Jesus, fully God, fully man, and yet without sin and could not sin. Why could not sin?
Because God cannot sin. So also, scriptures are fully God's word, fully man's word, and yet without any errors. That's why we believe in inerrancy.
Inerrancy is a derived doctrine. It comes from the understanding that the Bible is inspired by God. All scripture is inspired by God, means it's God breathed, theopneustos.
And so because it's God's word and God cannot make any mistakes, hence the scriptures don't have any mistakes. Well, how about the human element? The human element comes in, in how the scripture is penned. From the background of the writer, the educational ability of the writer, the time in history that person wrote.
That's where the human element is very visible. But it's not that these human beings are giving their opinions on, like it's not that this is Paul's opinion on faith and works, and this is James's opinion on faith and works. It's not a dictation theory, you know, where the Holy Spirit just gave words and these people just like start writing. That would be great.
All this problem solved. Only thing is it didn't work like that, because when you read Peter's writing versus Paul's, there is a marked difference. When you read Moses' writing, which is the first five books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and let's say you're reading Isaiah, Jeremiah, there's a difference. There's a difference because language has evolved.
There's a difference because personalities are different. Moses was trained in Egypt. Isaiah is a prophet of Israel in the eighth century. So I mean, different time period.
I mean, eighth century, think about it, almost like 700, 800 years apart. So because you're using the scripture as an analogy for Christ, you can't say that Christ is the analogy for that. You can't say like, oh, these guys were puppets. Neither can you say they were humans who just wrote truths about God, because the analogy wouldn't work.
Because then you would have to say that Christ was not human, or he was only human and not God. Right. I understand. I got you. That's right. So let's pursue that a little bit, if you would like.
Yeah, yeah. So think about, you know, we know that it's a divine book. We know that.
I mean, that doesn't take long to know. I mean, First Peter chapter one, verses 20 to 21 is very clear on that. It says, knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. So this passage in Second Peter, does this map onto people who are saying things like, you know, I know the Bible says this, but here's what I believe about God, or here's what I think the scripture says.
I read this and come to a different conclusion than you. Is what Peter's saying like, that can't happen? Yeah. I mean, this is about the Word of God, okay?
So no prophecy of scriptures of any private interpretation means this is not, this interpretation as in hermeneutics, this is about people coming up with the Word of God. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I can't sit here and say, I believe that God is leading me to write this. Right.
I can't, I don't have the same inspiration. If we're taking the New Testament, I mean the Old Testament analogy, when the prophets spoke, that was considered God's Word, even though like Jeremiah or Nathan or whoever, they're the ones speaking, but the recipient treats it as though God is speaking. And the Bible is the exact same way. Not everything, single thing that they spoke, not every grocery list that Isaiah must have written out is the Word of God, but they knew which one was, which one was. And then we get into the issues of canon, Old Testament canon. How did certain books, certain writings became scripture in the Old Testament? That's a different set of rules. How did certain writings became New Testament? There's a different set of rules. So then canonicity comes in too.
Right. Do you think the authors could sense that they were being inspired, like being led by God? Do you think they knew as they were writing, like these are the words that I want to write.
I'm not being overtaken by some supernatural force, but there's also something bigger than me going on here. I totally believe that. I totally believe that. They knew they were writing the Word of God. There are scholars out there, I respect them in certain areas and I part company from them. Scholars like Scott McKnight, I think he's taking it from F.F.
Bruce, and they will say things like, if Paul only knew that his words would become scripture, and I don't think so. I think he knew. He understood that his writing was occasional in nature, but he also knew that this was different.
And again, there's interpretation comes in, what rules of interpretation do we employ and apply? And that's something we can maybe discuss further down in this conversation. Maybe tomorrow we can look at, because we talked a lot today about the spiritual and the divine elements of the book, maybe we can talk about how some of these human elements on tomorrow's show. Yeah, definitely.
How these people are different from each other. Yeah. Let's do it. That's so fascinating.
Let's think about what all goes into making, what all went into making the Bible the book that we noticed today. Oh yeah. You guys enjoyed today's episode? Write in and let us know, 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. Don't forget, you can partner with us financially on that same website, scroll to the bottom, click that donate button, and let us know what's coming from our Clear Read Today show family. Make sure you guys jump back into the conversation tomorrow. We love you guys. We'll see you tomorrow on Clear Read Today.
