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May 31, 2024 6:00 am

The 17th Amendment to the US Constitution, ratified in 1913, gave Americans the right to vote for their senators, but its impact on the country's politics and government is often overlooked. Christians are encouraged to engage with politics and understand the importance of the Constitution in shaping the nation's values and laws.

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You didn't like it. The verse of the day today is coming from Acts chapter five, verse thirty one. Him, that's Jesus, God has highly exalted to his right hand to be prince and savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

So for everybody out there saying that there's no more place for Israel, Israel's done, Israel's had their moment and they blew it. This verse is so against that. This is New Testament. This is Paul.

This is Luke, really, I should say, writing this. But still, to give repentance to Israel, that's why he's been exalted. That's why Jesus has been made the right hand, is to give repentance to Israel. There's still a chance. There's still a plan. And God is going to fulfill that plan in his perfect timing.

That's right. God has a plan for everyone. I mean, we talk about the will of God. God has a plan for your life.

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That's right. It's very clear throughout scripture that God has a plan for the people of Israel. And if we stand against that, we are standing against the will of God. That's not something I'm comfortable doing.

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Maybe God's word can change your heart. So we had a person write in and we have a bunch of people write in. This was for lightning round questions, but I thought it could be a fun segment to do at the top of the show. This is from Frank R. in South Carolina. What do you think the R stands for? Oh, Frank R. I think the R stands for Rowdy. Frank Rowdy wants to know, what's the worst trouble you ever got in at school?

I can tell. I get in a lot of trouble at school. There was one time that I got called to the principal's office for something I did not do. And it was written up by a teacher I've never met in a hallway that I did not ever travel down. How big was your school? My graduating class was like 600 people.

Okay. That's a big school. So I told the principal and I said, hey, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't know this teacher and I've never been in this hallway. Is it possible that this is for the other Ryan Hill? So you knew the other Ryan Hill?

Oh, yeah. We knew each other. We were friends.

Okay. And he looked at me and just like I had sprouted three heads. He was like, the other Ryan Hill?

Yes, sir. There's two of us. And so he looked at his records. He was like, I'm so sorry, you can go back to class. But I didn't really get in much trouble. I got in trouble. I kind of kept my head down and stayed under the radar. Yeah, I got in trouble for a few things. One of them was actually pretty serious. I don't know if I should talk about it on the radio, but it was a huge misunderstanding, but it was something that I did technically do. I'm trying to think of like a fun example. One of the things that I got in trouble for, I had an art teacher. In senior year, you know, nobody's working. Nobody's doing no work.

You goofing off. All your core classes are done. It's pretty much a year full of electives if you even end up going. I skipped school a lot.

I shouldn't have did that, but I did. So when I was there, I was hanging out in the art class. Now, I was hanging out in art class even when I did not have art class.

I was just there. I was hanging out because the teacher was super cool. He was a chill dude. Shout out to Mr. Garrison. So I'm in art class, right?

I had a Mr. Garrison. He didn't teach art, though. Yeah, Mr. Garrison taught art. So he had these things where you have a six weeks project and that's it. So you don't just paint and do stuff.

You can pretty much do whatever you want, but at the end of the six weeks, you've got to turn that project. So that was why it was such a chill class. So a lot of them had these sculptures.

You could sculpt stuff out of clay, and one of them was like a cat, and it was really beautiful. And I don't know why 17-18 year old guys think this way, but all I wanted was to smash that cat on the concrete. And I asked, can I smash this after it's graded? He was like, yeah, you can do whatever you want.

Once it's graded, I don't care. So then the time for six week projects came, and he was like, I turned mine in. I did a comic or something, and I remember this. I was really embarrassed after this. Probably did I do that.

I took it, and I was like, hey, six weeks projects is over, right? He was like, yeah, everybody's all good. I took it outside, and I smashed that cat all over the concrete, and he came out. He was like, no, no, not that one. I was like, why?

He was like, that was Brad's. He's out sick. I didn't grade it. I was like, why didn't you grade it?

He was like, he's out sick. He has to turn it in. I can't just take it and grade it for him.

He has to present it. Oh, no. So I smashed it all to pieces. Sorry, Brad. I had to go apologize to Brad. I think he just got 100. I think Garrison was like, I'm just going to give him 100.

You got to give him 100 at that point. I guess I didn't get in trouble, but I did get scolded. Yeah.

Write in and let us know what your most trouble was that you ever got in at school. Fess up. It's time to be honest. That's right.

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Again, that's 336-759-0363. Well, John, are you ready? I was born ready, my friend. Let's hop right back in. All right. Welcome back to Clear View Today with Dr. Abbadon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com.

Or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028. That's right. We're here once again with Clear View today. We're here once again with Dr. Abbadon Shah, who's the host of Clear View today.

There you go. He's also a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Possible troublemaker?

I don't know. Dr. Shah, we had Frank R. What was it? Frank Rowdy? Rowdy. Frank Rowdy himself from South Carolina wrote in and wanted to know, what's the most trouble we ever got into at school?

Ryans was a false alarm. I accidentally shattered some kid's art project. Dr. Shah, the people want to know, what's the most trouble you ever got into at school? You were a head boy, right? I didn't get in trouble. Yeah, you didn't get in much trouble.

You couldn't afford to. Were you ever a prefect? Did y'all have prefects?

Yes, we did. And then you became head boy. Prefects became the head of the houses, and the head of the houses, one of them would become assistant head boy, and then one would become the head boy.

Then the assistant head girl, another one would become head girl. And our school population was like 2,000-some students. It was a pretty big school.

A decent-sized school, I would say. But this is in India in the 1980s? Yes. At a Catholic school? Yes.

Getting in trouble is not really an option, because over there, the consequences of getting in trouble are pretty... Yeah, yeah. It is. It is.

So one of the things you always see in Catholic schools, at least in movies and TV shows, is the nuns would wrap your wrist with a ruler. Oh, yeah. That was real? That happened.

For real? Yeah, but the older you got, it was not the nuns doing it as much as the teachers. Oh, so the nuns weren't teaching the classes? Some were. Okay.

Yeah. Because you needed science and mathematics. The nuns dedicated their life to ministry.

Fair enough. There were nuns who were like... We had a French nun, and she would teach French, and she would get irritated with us Indian students. They would listen to her. So she wasn't an Indian woman who taught French? No, she was French. She was French. She was French. Sister Faith. Sister Faith. Would Sister Faith wrap you on the wrist with a ruler? No, she was... Oh, I don't know.

She just got aggravated. One time, the father so-and-so was coming, and so they wanted us to do a play in his honor. Okay. And so me and this other guy, we were chosen for this two-man act, and we were... I mean, I didn't get it. I didn't understand. What is the punch line?

How does this work? We were goofing off. So a few weeks went by, and we tried, and it was just not really feeling. I mean, it's just like... I don't know what she was trying to get us to do.

It was like a French thing, I guess. Yeah. And then like a month later, my friend asked her, so whatever happened to Father so-and-so? We were going to do this play. You idiot. He already left. He came and left, but we didn't do it. You were goofing off the whole time, so I gave up. Oh, man.

So he already came, went, and y'all just didn't even do the play? No, because it was just... Wow. So one of the things that we mentioned up top before the break was the infamous sugar cane.

And I feel like... I know we've told this on the show before, but for anybody new that has never heard the sugar cane story... It's a great story. Do you want to just kind of give us the rundown of the highlights? Highlights.

The highlight reel. The one time Dr. Shaw skipped school that I know of. Yeah. It was not really skipping school. It was after school. Oh, it was after school. Okay.

My bad. It was after school. So some of the guys said they were going to go down this highway.

In fact, I went on that highway when I went to visit my mom. And they were going to go to this field and get sugar cane and eat it. And I was like, you just go to the field and get sugar cane and eat it.

Somebody else's field? They're like, yeah, yeah, but it's all cool. It's all great. And so we went and we were on motorcycles and we went. And sure enough, the guy, the farmer came out on his tractor. It was like a scene from cars. And he came and we took off.

Now, here's the problem. We're wearing white and gray. School uniforms. This is school uniforms. White shared gray pants.

That's going to get really dirty. So they told you that the farmer was all cool with it, that everything was all good. They didn't say anything about the farmer. They just said it's all good. It's all fine.

We just get it over there. He didn't realize that he would come out and recognize us and then come to the school the next day. He was hot. He was upset. Yeah.

So now the big story is who? And I am the head boy, so I get called in the office. Oh, no. And I'm like, oh my word. So the guys told me and said, hey, you're cool. We'll take it.

We'll take it. Yeah. You don't need to.

My friends were good in that sense. So you told who it was? No. I didn't say a word.

I was like, I don't know. So tell them about the assembly that day. Oh, the assembly was, I mean, they got like what it came in. In the assembly? Oh, well.

This is something I didn't know. And I don't know if American schools operated like this, but apparently you would have, to discipline students, you would have a big assembly. Was the purpose of the assembly to show the kids the discipline? Or was it like, here's the assembly. And then by the way, we're going to go ahead and get the discipline out. Or was it like, everybody come gather.

This is what we're doing at the assembly. Yeah. Sort of. Sort of like. Yeah.

So your friends march out on stage. Yeah. I was like, oh my.

Because it said to me, you really were not in it. You went along with us. We were going to do this. You shouldn't be caught for this.

And you're the head boy. So they got caned on stage. That's good friends. That's a good friend.

Yeah, they were good friends. And I mean, it was bad just watching them. Because you have a few who'll giggle or whatever. But these are like the bad boys of school.

Right. You don't want to cross them off. You don't want to giggle. So, and there were a couple of giggled and I was like, hey, cut it out. I don't want these guys coming after you.

More importantly, I don't want them coming after me. Yeah. Cool. Anyways, that's how life happens. It's funny. Yeah, that's how it was.

I love it. That's how it was. Man, those are some good friends.

Yeah, those are good friends. That's politics, man. That's how it works. That's how it works. That's the system. That's right. That's the system. Politics. I love that.

You don't have to always like it, but sometimes it helps. That's right. Well, speaking of politics, on today's episode, today is a very important day in our nation's history.

Today is the day that the 17th Amendment of the United States Constitution was ratified, signed into law, made official on today's day. Yes. It was when it was made official. Okay. Yeah. And we wanted to talk about it because this is an amendment that a lot of people don't know about.

This one don't get the airtime that the other ones do. Right. Yeah, you think like Bill of Rights. First Amendment, we all good. Second Amendment, we like that.

Fifth Amendment, we definitely like that. 21st, 19th, you know, these are the big popular ones. 17th Amendment, a lot of people don't even know what the 17th...

They know there is one because there's ones after that. Right. They don't even know what the 17th Amendment actually is.

Right. It was made official on May 31st, 1913, where Americans were given their vote or the ability to vote on their senators through the 17th Amendment. Now, prior to this, the senators were elected by the individual state legislative bodies.

But for a while, this was being opposed or they were saying, you know, we need to change this. This was based on the Constitution Convention, because that's how it was always done. But then the process was great until the 1850s, when a number of states, you know, causing trouble in selecting senators and, you know, once you hijack that body, then, you know, you're going to pick whoever you want. So in the 1870s on, this is after the Civil War, there were a lot of petitions were made to the House of Representatives calling for the senators to be elected directly, let the people pick their senators.

And so this happened and went on and on. And then finally, it was 1913, as I mentioned, is when it was approved. The amendment was ratified.

And when the state of Connecticut ratified it or finally gave their approval, this was ratified. The closer the senators are to the people who elected them, the better we can hold them responsible. The further they get or they become the Washington, D.C., inhabitants, then they don't care about who sent them there. Because they're removed. Yeah, removed away from those people who will say, OK, you didn't do it our way or we're going to vote you out. But if you don't even see those people and they don't even elect you and you're representing them on that level, then how do you hold them accountable? That's true.

They do whatever they want to do. And that's initially it worked, like I said, up until 1850s. But then after that point, people began to realize in different states, like the Populist Party had already tried to say, we need to do something about this. And then Wisconsin and Nebraska, Oregon, and of course, different ones followed suit. And then Connecticut was the last one to give that approval. And this was finally made into part of the Constitution. This is a discussion that we should have for Christians, because I feel like Christians kind of like we already said this, but Christians get into this point where it's like, OK, I only care about the church and the body of Christ and I'm not really into politics at all.

It shouldn't be that way. And so it's like, OK, cool. I'll vote for the president of the United States. I was like, OK, but what about all your other elected officials? It's like, I just don't have time to care about that kind of stuff. But then when changes start happening at the local level and things get out of your control, you do start caring. You know what I mean? Yeah, you demonstrate that you do care.

Yeah, oh yeah. And it's a thing, too, where you don't even, a lot of times, you don't even realize that these elections are happening. These local elections where you're voting for senators and governors and stuff like that, it's not even being talked about. It's not on Facebook. It's not on social media.

It's almost like someone is trying to keep it, you know, down, downplayed and hidden. Well, that's why I appreciate what you say, Dr. Childs, that go out and vote and vote your convictions. Vote biblical values.

I think in that video of Gavin that when he was really little, just that little baby talk. But I mean, that's important for us to understand. That's why we need to allow our faith to impact and affect the political sphere, because if we want people to uphold our values, we've got to be the ones to go vote for them. If we don't vote, we can't expect the officials that are in there to uphold the values that we never voted into place. This is one of the quote unquote boring esoteric amendments that we don't talk about, but it impacts our daily lives way more than we realize.

Right. And it really brings you up close and personal to the Constitution. You know, we often talk about how the Constitution is an amazing volume, I guess, of principles by which this nation operates or the political system operates.

What is it? Why is it so important? We're saying today that these things don't matter.

These were designed by some old white men back in the 18th century. They don't really apply today. To the contrary, when you really study, when I say really study, our church did a study of the Constitution, which is done by Rick Green and David Barton, wall builders, if you haven't heard of them, we did that study right here with one of our own church members sort of facilitating that study. We really were educated.

I mean, I've read a lot on American history, politics, but it was an education for me to sit there and listen and know how wonderful is the political system we have, the checks and balances we have. The Constitution, we are a democratically elected republic, right, which is Constitution-based. The Constitution is relevant, yes, it may need amendments, but there is a process that you have to follow.

And there is a great book out there by Mark Levine called Freedom, I believe it's called The Liberty Amendments, Restoring the American Republic, and he proposes about 11 amendments to the Constitution. Wow. 11 additional amendments. Yes. Wow. Amendments like, can I tell you some of those?

Yeah, let's hear it. This is coming out of his book, like impose congressional term limits. Good point. It means we need to get to a place where these people are not career politicians.

They have to some point in time say, okay, I'm done, I'm going home. That's a good point. Then there is repealing the 17th Amendment, returning the election of senators to state legislatures. What we're talking about today, okay, he is suggesting it needs to return to the state legislature and he has a reason for that, why this is going to safeguard things. So yes, we talk about, we elect them, but then there are other checks and balances that are also important.

He says this needs to be reversed. There's also imposed term limits for Supreme Court justices and restrict judicial review. That's big.

That's a big change because that's what you think when you think Supreme Court justice, they're there for life. Right. You know what I mean? That's kind of it. Yeah. There's also require a balanced budget and limit federal spending and taxation, which is going to be a big one out of the budget. I don't even know how you start at this point with that. What we hear is like, to keep the lights open, we need to go in and pass this, Mr. President. Right. And it's like so many trillion dollars in debt and I'm like, at this point, are we just making up numbers?

Well, then at that point too, they go ahead and spend it and they're like, what do you know? We're even more in debt. This is the president's fault. He's the one that let us do it. We asked. He said yes.

He should have never told us yes. Let us also define a deadline to file taxes one day before the next federal election. Subject federal departments and bureaucratic regulations to periodic reauthorization and review. That'd be a tough one to, for people, those federal departments to get behind. Create a more specific definition of the commerce clause.

Limit eminent domain powers, allow states to more easily amend the constitution by bypassing Congress. Yeah. And sometimes a lot of things get, how do I say this, stagnated in Congress.

Oh yeah. They'll just take a recess and deal with it a couple of years when they come back. Which will never happen. And then create a process where two thirds of the states can nullify federal laws.

Create a process, I'm sorry, last one is to require photo ID to vote and limit early voting. I think about in our own state of North Carolina, we had to show a photo ID. That's right. That was very interesting. Yeah, that was new. That was new this year, wasn't it? I remember when- Do you have a photo ID? I was like, oh yeah, sure. I do.

I would be happy to show it to you. So exactly, that has not been a thing in the past and I wasn't expecting it to be a thing this year. And I live maybe three minutes from our voting station and I'm right there and I didn't have it. So I had to go home and get it.

Yeah. But because it has never been a thing, I'm all for it. But no one, I mean, at least maybe they did. I didn't see it, but no one, there was no sign that said, hey, ID required this year. So I just walked up in there and my workout pants, I had just come from the gym and that was like, I'll go home and get it.

They were like, yeah, you got to go home and get it. So going back to this constitutional lives study that we did, on section 10, I really recommend that if your church needs to learn and grow and understand how our nation works, do this study. It's really, really good. Article five is the proper way to amend the constitution. And our democracy or our republic has been set up in such a way is that democracy runs on passion, says Rick Green. A republic runs on reason. Good point. That's why we're a republic, not democracy.

That's right. Democracy can get a bunch of people to just show up and do whatever they want. That's passion. Most of the world runs on passion. That's just the will of the majority. Yeah.

Go to the Middle East. That's passion. They're fired up.

The next thing you know, they're ready to charge the world and destroy everything. And that's why you have such autocrats or you have such dictators in this part of the world, because that's for them to say, I know you're going to jail or you'll never be heard from again. That's how they curb those passions. But there's another way to do that, which is reason. And our constitution is set up in such a way that to amend something, it's a slow process, because when it slows down, passion dies outside. And reason kicks in. The only thing you can deal with is the facts and whether this is actually a good idea, whether this is actually functional. Yeah.

Start thinking logically and stop thinking emotionally. That's right. Yeah. Now there are two ways to amend the constitution. One is known as the congressional proposal, okay, congressional proposal says when two-thirds of both the House and Senate adopt proposed amendments, they are sent to the states for ratification and three-fourths of the states must, which is 38 states, must ratify for the amendment to become part of the constitution.

That's a congressional proposal. Second is the state proposal. Under this one, when two-thirds, which would be about 34-some states, of the states apply, the Congress must call a convention of the states for proposing amendments. Any amendments proposed at the convention must be ratified by three-fourths, again, 38 states, of the states before the amendment would become part of the constitution. Those are two different ways that amendments can be made congressional and state proposals. Before you can change the amendment. So the 17th Amendment, as Mark Levine says, maybe needs to go back to the state legislators. And he has his reasons for that.

But that's a very important one. Some of the systems of checks and balances in Indian politics are coming from that. Unfortunately, because it does not have a Judeo-Christian foundation, we have our problems in America.

Don't misunderstand me. We have our problems. But the lack of integrity that is in India right now, I mean, it is horrendous. I hate to say it, I mean, in America, I'm seeing that now.

The further we get away from those values, the Judeo-Christian values, the lack of integrity is really, really horrible. I mean, elections are being stolen as we speak. Yeah. Yeah.

Blatantly and out in the open. Yes. Yes. But the constitution, the system of checks and balances is there in India because of the British influence. But it's not built on a Judeo-Christian value system. Hence, it's very wobbly.

Yeah. That you have a system, but you just don't follow it. In America, too, we have a system where we're not always following it, but it is there. That is the foundation.

When you have a foreign foundation, but you yourself don't really hold to it like you should, you use it when you need it because in your favor, and you chunk it when you don't. Our founders really thought through everything so well that they gave us a system that is so, so beautiful, so strong, so long-lasting. I mean, they gave us a system by which we can fix the system. That's right. Right?

We have a constitution, and don't be afraid to use the constitution to fix the constitution. That's right. That's right. But if you go out any other way and just say, does this throw us away, and let's start. No. Yeah.

You can't just start over. What are you building on? What are you building on? Well, we know better. What is better? Our marks? Das Kapital? What is better? Communist manifesto? Yeah.

What is better? Yeah. We don't have anything. That's true.

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