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We'll leave a couple of links in the description so you can do just that. The verse of the day today is coming from Galatians chapter 5, verse 22. A familiar verse to a lot of people. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness.
And then in 23, it continues on gentleness and self-control. Oh, the fruit of the Spirit's not a kiwi. The fruit of the Spirit's not a... What's the other one? The banana? Turbo banana. Turbo banana! Yeah. And then coconut. And then... There's a lot of them.
Yeah. There's a lot of what the fruit of the Spirit is not. And then what's the best part, though?
Because I can't do it. Oh, the fruits are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. That's the fruit of the Spirit. One fruit.
I was trying to make a point and then I said it wrong. The song is not biblically accurate because it does say the fruits are. Yeah, right, right. But it really is the fruit of the Spirit is all of these things.
Right. It's a life submitted to the Holy Spirit. It's a life submitted to God. And so these things, these attributes are evidence of that fruit that is born in your life. And that's what Jesus said, that you will know them. You will know my people, my children by their fruit.
That's a great point. The fruit itself is multifaceted. You can't say, well, I'm growing love, but I don't have peace.
I'm growing long suffering, but I don't have joy. It is the fruit of the Spirit that is comprehensive. And all of those things are elements of that one fruit of God working in your life.
That's right. And it's a great verse to live your life by and to remember. And there's a ton more like it on the Date the Word app.
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Yes. Happy Wednesday, my friend. Happy Wednesday.
So good to see you. We've got a brand new segment. I think we've done it one other time, but then we had to take a break. But now it's back. Okay. I think you know what I'm talking about.
I actually forgot. Well, we've been playing around with Wednesday's segments for a little bit, but this is one that I've really come to love. This is the segment where we sort of recount some moments in our life that we wish hadn't happened.
Moments that were a little embarrassing. Tales of woe. Tales of woe.
This is a tale of woe. And Ryan, I think you've got one. I think you know which one I'm talking about. Your first weekend of Awana. I think the year was 2014 in the year of our Lord. Fifteen?
Fifteen. I think you know what I'm talking about. We always start Awana. With our pledges. By doing the pledges. We do. The pledge to the American flag, Christian flag, and the Bible.
Now I'll tell you this. When I first started coming in 2013, I'd never heard of the pledge to the Christian flag. Never heard of the pledge to the Bible. I'd heard the pledge of allegiance for the United States. As most of us have.
Of these United States. So if I was going to mess up any of them, that would be the one that I didn't mess up. You would think. You would think. Okay, so story time. I was not the originator of the pledges in Awana that was happening before I started here at Clearview. But then after I'd been here for a little while, Dr. Shaw said, hey, I want you to take this on. I was like, cool. No problem. I have been accustomed to speaking in front of people for a number of years.
Sure, yeah. I don't. I get a little jittery, get a little butterflies, but I don't really get stage fright. It's never really happened to me in the number of shows that I've been in.
You're a smooth talker. I don't really get stage fright. That's why he does the segues. This time in my life was one of the only times that I got stage fright because I got up there to begin the Pledge of Allegiance and the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of these United States left my brain. It vacated the premises and it was just like a white expanse. What did you get stage fright from?
It was a bunch of children. I think it was twofold. Number one, it was not having said the Pledge of Allegiance daily for a while. You kind of grow up saying it, but once you get to college, you don't really say the pledge much anymore. And then after that, leading in a wanna is a different cadence.
So you say a line and then the kids repeat a line. So it's not just I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, it's I pledge allegiance to the flag, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, of the United States of America, and to the Republic. So it's a little different pacing and somewhere in there I got lost and the line that I stumbled on, oh boy, was one nation. The one under God.
It's the one you don't want to leave out. I remember standing in the back and he was like, one nation, and the kids go, one nation, and he goes, indivisible. Everybody tripped and what was funny was, they didn't say indivisible, the room said under God.
Under God. So it was like the room corrected him. I was mortified. In retrospect, it's not that huge of a deal. It really isn't.
It's really not. You just misspoke. It was the first time I led pledges.
I had been here for maybe a month. First time I led pledges, and I mess up not only the Pledge of Allegiance, but I mess up under God. And so the kids are just like, eh, whatever. But adults, they're looking around like, who is this guy? What is wrong with this guy? Why did Dr. Sharp bring, is he serious?
What kind of agenda is he bringing here? So I was like, oh man, I remember being up to him earlier. Nobody had to say to you, are you okay? He's like, yeah, I'll be all right.
Of all the lines, that's the one. If you're going to mess up, don't mess up under God. Especially not in a Christian church at Awana right before. And then, crazily enough, you did great on the Bible and the Christian flag. I'd never even heard of those when I started. Crazy.
It's crazy. So anyway, that's my, and unfortunately I did. And history has shown that I did, in fact, do that. If you've ever had an embarrassing moment like that, maybe you were the Pledge of Allegiance was concerned, write in and let us know, 252-582-5028.
Unfortunately I did. You can also visit us online at Clearveetodayshow.com. We'll be right back. Hey, what's going on, listeners? My name is John.
And I'm Ellie. And we just want to take a second and let you know about Dr. Shah's new book on the market right now called Can We Recover the Original Text of the New Testament? Boy, that is a long title. True, but it's a very simple message. The original text of the New Testament is not only attainable, but there are lots of different ways that scholars go about discovering it. There's a lot of people out there saying that the original text is lost forever or that it's hopeless to actually try to find it or that there's many texts of the New Testament. But alongside Dr. David Allen Black, Dr. Shah has actually compiled papers from some of the world's leading experts in textual criticism, including one written by himself on various methodologies for extracting the original text. And listen, if you're interested in textual criticism, this book is a great introduction to the field. You can pick up your copy on Amazon or you can buy it from our church website. That's ClearviewBC.org. We're going to leave a link in the description box so you can get your copy today. Love that. Ellie, let's hop back in. Let's do it. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abaddon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
You can visit us online at ClearviewTodayShow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028. That's right. We're here in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abaddon Shah, who is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism. Dr. Shah, have you ever been saying the Pledge of Allegiance, and you leave out the most critical... Well, I don't want to say... Forget all that. What do you think is the most critical part of the Pledge of Allegiance? The one part that, above all, you don't want to forget? The Pledge of Allegiance of the Fatherless, right? One Nation Under God.
So you would say... That's it. That's the one. One Nation Under God.
You would say... Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. That's the one. Those are the words. That's the one. And you, for some reason, just thought, I'm gonna leave out Under God, even though I'm in a church.
Ooh, you may get stoned in America. Yeah, you don't do it that way. Yeah. Did somebody do it? True story, we talked about this in the intro, the very first time that I led pledges for Awana, the very first time, I forgot, apparently, how to say the Pledge of Allegiance altogether. I was stumbling, I was tripping over words, and then I got to the end, and I left out Under God. So I don't know... I did. It's okay, man.
You haven't... The funniest thing for me, and I think I said this in the intro, is, do you know who it was that got him back on track? It was Miss Sheila.
Yeah. She was like... He was like, One Nation. We were like, One Nation. He was like, Indivisible. And Sheila was like, Under God. And he was like, Under God.
Under God. I was so... And I even gave you a cheat sheet. Remember that? Yep.
It was so astounding. So I'm standing in my office, which is nothing but the Pledge to the Bible, to the American flag, and to the Christian flag. So I... And I thought, you know, okay, Pledge of Allegiance, I got this, and no problem, I've said this for years. But it turns out, number one, I hadn't said it in years, because after the high school mark, you stop saying it every day, and then it's a different cadence when you're leading people and saying... Because you have to stop. Right.
And they have to come back. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I remember when, before you started coming, in like 2013, 2014, when I was here, I didn't know that there was a Pledge to the Christian flag, and I didn't know there was a Pledge to the Bible. So I was standing there doing it on a Wednesday night as well, he was like, Now we're going to turn and Pledge to the Christian flag. And I was like, Oh... Huh?
What do you say? I was like, What do you say to the Christian flag? Yeah. I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, coming again with life and liberty... To all who believe. To all who believe.
Yep. And my son can say it better than me, because he says it. He says it every week. Does he know how to say it?
Yeah, yeah. He... One of the proudest moments of his life, I'm going to tell you guys this, was when he got chosen to hold the Bible, to pledge, to pledge. He thought that was the coolest thing, and I mean, I'm not joking, he talked about it for days.
Days. That's awesome. He came home and was like, asked if I had a Bible. He was younger at the time, I think he was still like two, two and a half. But he would just kind of stand and hold, and we have this like tall mirror on the back of the bedroom door. He would just stand and hold, because he wanted to know what he looked like holding it in front of all his friends. So he was standing and holding it. I was like, buddy, did you like holding the Bible?
He was like, I did. Sweet. I love that.
So that was one of the proudest moments of his young life. And you wish and you pray that they will have the same excitement. Yes. Yes.
When they're teenagers. Yes. And they do.
And a lot of kids we know, they do have that excitement. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's what you cultivate is what you get. That's right. That's exactly right. And that leads into what we're talking about today in this intergenerational model that we're working toward. Today is Dr. Shaw's Book Club.
Yes. Welcome to another installment of Dr. Shaw's Book Club. Get your Amazon carts open, ready to order. I really want to get Reese on the show and see if she would subscribe to Dr. Shaw's Book Club. I think she would. I think we really need to do this. Reese Witherspoon's Book Club. Reese Witherspoon's Book Club. I think we need to get Dr. Shaw's Book Club to be an actual monthly thing where we push this book. Yeah.
You know what I mean? They'll pay Reese Witherspoon to give her opinion on cheap thrillers. People ought to be paying The Cleave View Today Show for getting good Christian literature into their hands. Absolutely.
I just don't know how to make that happen. It's also literature that is helpful. So some of the books that we recommend or I recommend may not be Christian, but they are very helpful.
True. But today, the book I want to talk about is a book by Tim Elmore titled A New Kind of Diversity Making the Different Generations on Your Team a Competitive Advantage. Now, I've known Tim Elmore's works for a long time. In fact, one of the first books that I read was on Generation IY. Okay. So this is what you would, I guess, refer to millennials.
Yeah. So we read that book. So I'd already read a book on the millennials by Tom Rayner, and he also wrote a book on millennials. But I read Tim Elmore's book, and it was really very applicable, and it was a little further out, because by the time I was reading that book on millennials, I wanted to know about the millennials who are youth today or more in the youth group rather than millennials who were now in their 20s, like you guys would have been. So yes, I want to reach you guys, but I want to make sure, is our church a church that is friendly towards youth?
Right, because there's still subdivisions within the millennial camp. And so I remember you preached a sermon. Oh my goodness, what was it, like a letter to the IY graduates or something like that? Yes.
And I used Tim Elmore's book in that one. Those IYs would have been the later millennials, the ones right before Gen Z. So the younger than us, but still not quite Gen Z.
What year were you born? 88. Doggone.
Yeah, exactly. Sorry. Here's the message.
Thank you, David. It's called A Message to Our IY Graduates by Pastor Shaw, and this book that I referred to in that message was Generation IY, Secrets to Connecting with Today's Teens and Young Adults in the Digital Age. So it is millennials when he says IY, but they're more on the younger spectrum, part of the spectrum. Do you think they still have some of those Gen Z qualities, like where some of the overlap is? Or do you think they're more towards millennials?
No, I think they do have that. They're straddling the millennials and the Gen Zs, so they are there. So that's where I got introduced to Tim Elmore. And then when I heard about this book, I was like, I have to get this book. And he has written on Gen Z as well, so that book is out as well. But this book right here is a great book for several groups of people.
Number one is good for pastors. You need to read this book. This book came out, I believe, in 2020, if I'm not wrong.
Oh, wow. So it's pretty new. It's pretty up to date. But in the world of demographics, it may not be very new. It's 2022. So yes, it is new. The one that he wrote on Gen Z came out in 2020.
But I don't think it's that dated yet. Right. Well, I didn't realize it was published through Maxwell Leadership.
Yes. He works closely with John Maxwell. And John Maxwell recommends him all the time.
So that's also one reason why I'm aware of Tim Elmore. So pastors need to read it. Youth pastors need to read it.
I know Ryan has gone through it. Also business owners need to read it, because this is your workforce. Last year, 2023, spring, our chamber of which I'm on the board, I think I'm the second vice president or something like that, I told him, I said, I don't have to have a position. I support business. I support people working hard, working honestly to make money. So I'm going to support that. He's like, oh, we want you on our board.
I'll do it if you want me to. So anyways, we were in an executive board meeting for our Henderson Vance Chamber. And I made a statement about our Gen Zs. I said something like, you know, Gen Zs are under so much pressure. They're constantly told that the world is full of problems, and it's up to them to solve those problems. So many problems. And if they don't solve the problems, then they are part of the problem.
Imagine living with that guilt. So business owners need to read this book. Educators need to read this book.
College, high school, middle school, elementary, doesn't matter. We need to be reading this book because there's so much wealth of information here. Go ahead. I think it strikes something that people are hungry to know more about. People reduce generational differences to these oversimplifications like all Gen X are like this, or all millennials are like this, or all Gen Z are like this.
But the issue is much more complicated than that. And if you paint with those broad strokes, you're going to miss out on some of the nuances of each generation. And like you talked about in this book, the strengths that they bring to your organization or your church or your youth group or whatever organization it is that you're a part of. You know, the book is called A New Kind of Diversity, and I feel like that's a word that has, it starts out with good intentions, but now it means something that it didn't used to mean.
And so I feel like if Tim Elmore's talking about this, what is this new kind of diversity that he's pushing? For the benefit of our listeners and our viewers, there are six generations we're talking about altogether. This is the greatest generation, which is those born from 1901 to about 1928, born. This is the generation also known as the GI generation. They endured through the Great Depression, through World War II. They took life as it came and made the best of it. Of course, as you can imagine, this generation has been dwindling, and before long, they'll be gone.
Right? 1901 to 1928. So if somebody who's born in 1928, today, they are— Oh, goodness. They'll be, let's see, I can tell you right now— Ninety-six.
Yep. Ninety-six. If 28 is four years past 24, they'd be 96. So there are, I know some 96-year-olds, I mean, I know some 100-year-olds. We have a member in our church who's 100, and then I know some others as well who are very close to that point, but that is that generation. Roaring is the silent generation, which comes from 1929 to about 1945, and this generation, also known as the Builders, and they fought in the Korean War. They fought in the Vietnam Wars, and unlike the previous greatest generation, they never had their roaring 20s, okay? So life was grim for them through and through.
Just always kind of oblique. Right. They're the silent generation. So you have the greatest, and then you have the silent. So people ask that sometimes, like, why are they termed the silent generation?
It's just kind of like, put your head down, get through it. Yeah, because what is there to really talk about? Yeah, it's just wars. Yeah.
Wow. And then following that, now we have the Boomers, which is 1946 to 1964. This would be sort of the generation my mom came from, but my mom was born in 1943. Right. So she may sort of go in the silent generation as well. But all these soldiers coming home from war, all the people who were in the silent generation now are having kids. Right. And they're the Boomers.
Right. They're the Boomers, this generation born in the prosperous post-World War II era, and they saw the cultural pendulum swing to the opposite extreme. And so with the coming of rock and roll, music, television, civil rights, all these things, there were many positives that came out of this time period, don't get me wrong, but also a lot of negatives, and they took a toll on traditional values, especially marriage. A lot of divorces came during this time period. And so we can trace back a lot of problems today to that period. I was talking to someone who is a great, great friend of ours, a member of our church who's on the older side.
And we were talking about that, and we were like, man, it's so crazy where America is today. He's like, brother, we've been here before. He said, when I was growing up, this is all very familiar. So I guess that's what he was referring to.
Yeah. So these are the Boomers. And while previous generation were willing to endure through it, the Boomers brought the need to seek help.
And so get help, you have a problem, go get help. So this is a generation that cried out for authenticity. So this is your Boomers. Following the Boomers is Gen X. This is my generation, talking about my generation, which is 1965 to 1982. I was born in 1973, so I'm like slap in the middle of that generation. This generation is born in the Cold War era. Cold War era is you're talking about the USSR versus USA. So it was that Cold War where no shot was fired, and yet it was any moment, anything set off. The whole world could blow up.
A nuclear bomb, that's the era you're coming from. And this generation is variously known as the MTV generation, or the latchkey kids where parents have to work, stay home. That's a great band name, the latchkey kids. If I steal that, will people know what I'm talking about? Some may. Okay, I like that.
I'm going to write that. So it is the smallest generation because this generation came out in a promiscuous and provocative culture and mostly without adult supervision. And as this generation lived through the aftermath of divorce, they became skeptical regarding marriage because they saw what their parents went through and being shuffled from one parent to the other. It was kind of a very difficult time period. And they also waited until later in life to have children. So they were like, I want to build my career.
I don't trust society, I don't trust economy, I don't trust the man. And so Xers are like that. They're kind of like... Very skeptical.
Yeah, skeptical. And unlike their parents, they did not want a have it all lifestyle. It was more like, hey, I want my marriage.
I'm not going to sell out on my marriage to have that boat or that house because it's not worth it. Yeah, it's because they grew up in the aftermath of kind of the increase of divorce. Yeah, because they saw dad or mom having it all and yet they did not have it all.
They lost it all. Wow. So this is Gen X.
Right. Following is the millennials and millennials are coming in the 1983 to about 2000 as this generation was born with a computer and they came of age right at the turn of the millennium. And you guys are millennials. Yeah, I was born in 92. You said...
I was born in 88. Wow. Wow. All right, settle down. Settle down.
I just feel a little personal. 88 and what? 92. Yeah, we are all right there.
Yeah. But I mean, I remember like... I remember the year 2000.
99 into 2000. I remember Y2K. I remember everybody like, and everything's going to shut down at midnight.
We don't know what's going to happen. I remember. I was only eight when that happened, but I do remember my mom being like scared.
I remember nobody around me being excited about the year 2000, but I was too young to remember why. Yeah. Yeah.
But this generation is known as generation me. Yeah. Because you are special. Yeah. When I was a kid, there was a...
I give us the participation trophies. I'm not even... Give it all to me. I'm not even going to deny it because when I was a kid, there was a Barney song that literally is, you are special, special. Everyone is special. Everyone in his or her own way.
That was my favorite song and I sang it all the time. For real? Yes. That's the millennials. Yeah.
That's it. And so Hayden Shaw, who's another scholar, another expert when it comes to these different generations in his book called Sticking Points, a great book, by the way, if you want to get another book on this subject, he attributes this to life stage rather than just laziness. So as they entered adulthood, they seem to be taking longer than other generations to figure things out. So millennials take longer, but this is just a life stage thing, so nothing to worry about. And millennials just want to take their time to get things right.
And so there is a positive to that in that the divorce rate is lower and the IYs are sort of right towards the latter part. So I don't think you guys would qualify as IYs, but they're still part of the millennial category. And then come the Gen Z. Gen Zs are those born 2001 to 2015. Do we have Gen Zs in this room? Oh, we do. Yeah, we do. We got two right there.
Okay. Nick is there. What year were you born, David? I was born in 98, so I feel like I'm in the middle. I'm probably right on the border.
Right on the border. He was Nicholas-born. Nicholas was born in 2003. Oh, so that's yeah, Gen Z. Yeah. Prime. Not Prime, but he's Gen Z. He's Gen Z. And this generation has faced more crises than any generation, as you've heard us talk about that.
9-11, ISIS, mass shootings, pandemic riots, recession, you name it. They've been through it. They've seen it. They've seen it.
They've seen it. Wow. Unlike millennials, because you guys did not grow up with smartphones, but you had them. Yeah.
Had them in college. Yeah. iPhone came out the year I graduated high school. There you go. Yeah.
And I didn't get one until college for sure. And I-wise, I would say probably were right on the fence of growing up with iPhones or smartphones. Yep.
Gen Zs do not know a time. Before iPhone. Yeah. Yeah. Good point.
Now, Nicholas should, because he's an older Gen Z in a sense, because he was born in 2003, we did not have smartphones. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have smartphone until I was maybe 2008, maybe, seven, eight. Wow.
That's crazy. My two oldest. Or nine, maybe. My two oldest. My twins are 11. They were born in 2012.
So they're like right in the latter years of Gen Z. Yeah. And since we've had them, we've had smartphones. They've grown up around them. Now they don't have their own.
They didn't grow up with one in front of their faces all the time. But they're aware of it very well. They're aware of it for sure. It's always been a part of their lives. Is this the new kind of diversity that Elmore is pushing, to have intergenerational staff on your teams? Yeah.
When you have these people working for you, you have to meet them where they are. So again, a word about the Gen Z, very quickly, is that they are facing some of the worst crises, as I mentioned to you, but also the worst moral and spiritual challenges. Think about all the gender dysphoria that's happening in our culture. It was happening back then. It was happening back in the 30s, and I'm talking about 1930s it was happening. It was happening back in the 1870s. Nothing new under the sun.
Right. But not to the level it's happening today. And certainly not as public.
Not as public, and not in your face, in your hand, in your computer, in your phone. It was not like that. So yes, it was there. It was like somewhere out in Hollywood, somewhere in the crazy park.
In its own contained area. And this is the generation that had a lot of struggle. Following this generation comes Generation Alpha, those born 2016 to 2030. So some are still being born, Generation Alpha, and I believe all your kids? Definitely my kids.
Mine are right on the border. Some of mine, in this breakdown, fall in the Gen Z, but they're right on that cutoff. I have 2012 to 2018, where my kids were born.
Yeah, I've got 2020 to 2023. So definitely mine. You are all Alpha.
Yours is a little bit of- Right on the border between Gen Z and Gen Alpha. So yeah. Yep. Yep. So these are our kids. This book will help you, and maybe we can talk about these issues again another time, but this book will help you know how to meet each person where they are, instead of treating everybody with the same strategy, whether it's on your ministry team, or people in your church, or in your business, in your family.
All these areas, this will help you go, okay, wait, who are they? It's not working. Right.
Because you're not speaking their language. That's true. Right. Develop a strategy for an intergenerational approach. I love that. A New Kind of Diversity by Tim Elmore. Make sure you pick up a copy if you work with kids, or if you're on the workforce, great resource for you. If you enjoyed today's episode, write in and let us know, 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com. Don't forget, you can partner with us financially on that same website. Every gift that you give goes not only in the building of this radio show, but countless other ministries for the sake of the gospel. Make sure you guys join us tomorrow. Lots of great content coming your way. We love you guys. We'll see you tomorrow on Clearview Today.
