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Hunting and Wildlife

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In this episode of Clearview Today, Dr. Shah talks about why he loves hunting and why you should try it.

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Even on Monday, man. I was going to say, I was hoping you'd introduce yourself as Pinky. I'm liking that shirt. You like it?

I kind of do. I'll tell you, it takes a real man to wear pink. I like pink. I've accumulated a few pink shirts over the years. What's really good though, I don't really have one right now, but when you get that summer tan, that looks really nice with a light pink shirt. A lot of people of your, shall I say, complexion, it's hard for them to get a tan. You've got real dark, hairy arms and so I feel like it looks really good. It does make you look a little bit more tan, but then the pink brings it out nice. See, I've got the dark blue, but I'm peacocking a little bit. I want the chest hair to kind of do for my chest what it's doing for your arms, which is make it look bigger, a little bit more masculine. That's just kind of where I'm at. I might actually go another button down.

I probably wouldn't. We've got a segment today, All the Small Things. This is one of our most popular segments. People are writing in and telling them what some of their little things in life are.

All the Small Things is our segment that we do every week, where we just talk about some of the little things in life that God has given us to enjoy. I don't know if this is something that I enjoy as much as I'm just really interested in, but my son, Gavin, is like me in almost every single way, almost spitting image of what I was like as a kid, what I looked like as a kid, with one huge difference. He wants to spend all his time outside. He is a child. He loves playing outside. He loves playing outside. I don't know what it is, because when I was a kid, my mom was like, no, we're not playing outside. We're going to sit in the house, and we're going to put a puzzle together, and we're going to do a book, and you can have a cup of juice, and you can sit quietly.

That was my childhood, and so I just didn't grow up playing outside at all. Gavin can't get enough of it. He cannot get enough. He stays outside all day.

A bunch of boomers and older people listen to each other, like, that's right. That's how it's supposed to be. But here's the thing. He's three, which means I've got to be outside, too. Right, so you can't just turn him loose outside. Yeah, I can't just turn him loose and let him go, so my parents actually got him one of those little sandbar things.

It's a little plastic thing that has a bunch of compartments with sand. When I say he will play out there from sunup to sundown, I genuinely mean it. He will not come inside. There was a lot of times where mom and dad were not outside with us. Going outside by ourselves was just absolutely out of the question. So there was a lot of reading, like I said, putting a puzzle together, like watching TV, just kind of being inside, playing with toys inside, but a lot of inside stuff going on.

So I don't know where, I guess from Ellie he got it, because I think Ellie would go outside and stay away for days on end. So it's interesting that you say that, because I have a similar experience with both of my boys. We are very much alike.

They are very sweet and kind of tender-hearted, and we're alike in a lot of ways. However, there's one glaring difference with both of my boys. They are both very athletic. I played sports as a kid, but I was not a super athletic kid. I was more kind of artistic into the arts and music and drama. But they are both, they sort of just naturally take to sports.

I don't know where they got that from. Somewhere in our genes, I guess. I'm interested to see how Gavin does, because I was artistic, but I was also more just quiet, like video games, books, bookish. I was real bookish as a kid. So I'm interested to see if Gavin, doing this love outside, wants to get into sports, or if he just, I don't know, I'm just kind of interested to see where it will go. I'm interested to know the differences between Dr. Shah and how his kids have grown up. Yeah, I wonder what childhood was like in India growing up. I don't suppose there was a lot of inside opportunities. What was similar for him and what was different for his kids.

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That's right. We're here once again in the Clear View Today studio with Dr. Abbadan Shah, who is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. You can find all of his work on his website.

That's Dr. Shah, we had a great time with Dr. Questions last time, but it's good to have you back. Yes, good to be back in the studio. Absolutely. Have you ever met Dr.

Questions? I don't know who that is. That's what I thought.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Sometimes he comes into the show and he answers questions, and we don't want to... It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, but we let him in because usually he smells nice, and I feel like he probably could beat me up.

Absolutely. We were talking in the intro earlier about how my son is so unlike me as a kid. That's what I looked like, but he couldn't be more different in the fact that he just loves playing outside.

And this is a side of Gavin I never knew. And now that the summertime is here, he's asking me constantly, can we go up to the church? Can we go to the Clear View? I want to play on the playground. Oh. Nonstop, every single Monday. Wow.

Yeah. Well, I love going outside. I mean, I'm an indoors person, so going outside to me is like a treat. Let's go outside.

Let's hang out. And with our kids, we try to encourage them to do that. Growing up now, I loved being outside, playing cricket, playing soccer, swimming four o'clock in the morning in the river, stuff like that. So I loved doing that, playing outside in the garden.

We had a garden in front of our house. We talked about it before on the show where it's like, in India, the summers would get so hot. But is it like so hot that you can't do anything outside, or is it like we live here, we're used to it? No.

You cannot do anything. Really? Especially somewhere about 1, 2 o'clock in the afternoon. You're done. Don't go outside. And we're talking about the summer.

You will die of sunstroke. Wow. That's insane.

Sunstroke. Wow. So we've talked about this on this show before, that we would carry an onion in our pocket.

Yeah. Not sure what the onion's supposed to do. A whole onion? A whole onion in our pocket. So it's like bulging out of your pocket? Yeah, you carry that.

I don't know what that means, but that's what we did. Was that your mom or your grandmother? Mostly my grandmother. Was it supposed to ward off overheating? There's something to it. Like, people really swore by it. It was not even like an old wives' tale kind of thing, because I mean, I get that.

It's like, yeah, that's got nothing to do with anything. Like, if you ended up getting high fever, they would take onion and crush it, and then rub it all over your body. Really? Yeah.

Now, I've heard of like, put the onion on the sole of your foot, and like, put a sock on your foot. See? I have heard of that. See? I've never heard of that.

But there are. I'm looking at news articles. Does onion help you avoid heat stroke? Onion is good for you.

And what does it say? This is just the first Google response. It says, so of course, we saw the most authoritative source on the subject, a nutritionist, Dr. Sheila Swarnakamuri, a dietitian at Frontier Lifeline Hospital. There's nothing based in scientific fact that onion helps combat heat in the summer, but there seem to be people disagreeing with her. Yeah. But I didn't even know it was a thing.

Does she say that it does help? Oh, here you go. It's carrying an onion in your pocket. Which one? That one there? Back up? Oh, back up this way? Yeah. It would say that here. Can carry an onion.

Can carry it. So yeah, onions for summer. Yeah, so this is, I mean, this is a thing. It's a thing.

In India, it was a thing. Yeah, you might be, this is insane. You might have probably been told by an elder at home to carry an onion bulb around. Look at the size of it.

Every time you head out in the sun to protect yourself against heat stroke. Wow. Yeah.

I don't understand anything about that. But I didn't even slice it. You had to walk around with a big onion just bulging out. No, I didn't do it every time.

But I do remember many, many times, carrying that onion in my pocket. Wow. That's interesting. Because usually, when I was in middle school, high school, school was in the morning. So from 7 to about 1230 for school.

Then you get out. And then elementary school began. The same school, same classrooms, but now it's elementary school. And they will start at 1 o'clock and go until 530, something like that. Interesting.

Yeah. So elementary school, kids can sleep in and come to the same school. Middle school, high school goes in early. But then in the afternoon, we would have special classes that you could go. The same teachers that you have in school would have these classes where you would learn advanced math, advanced science, advanced literature, grammar, those kind of things. So you would go for a fee.

Yeah. Special classes is what you call them, or tuition, special tuition. And so come home, eat lunch, 2 o'clock, leave the house, 2.30, your tuitions begin.

And I knew guys in school who were going from tuition to tuition. So where are you headed now? Well, physics. After that, chemistry. After that, biology. Wow. Wow. After that, algebra.

After that, geometry. When do you get home? It's about 6.37. Wow. In the evening.

Back to back to back to back. So this is after they've already gone to school in the morning. Right. Wow. Yeah.

I did about three at one time. And some actually do study. Others go and goof off. Really? Yeah. They go because there's a bunch of friends. Yeah.

We're hanging out with the friends again. There is the professor from school. And he's there teaching, going over the homework that you got.

So you get to do the homework right here. So you go to tuition. And the special class actually do the homework. Yeah. So he helps you work out the very problems he assigned.

Those who don't go to tuition don't get to work it out. Yeah. They got to show up next day. And hopefully, they worked it out somehow. Wow.

So here's something I did find. But the reason I said that is because sometimes it was like at 2 o'clock, we would leave the house. And it's just like the sun is blaring down on you. I can't imagine that. And I would have a hat on. And you'd go through.

And then the heat, it's like a heat wave. Did the hat look cool? No. No.

You don't. This is not a baseball hat. This is like a sun hat. Sun hat. Yeah. At that point, we were just trying to protect from the sun. Yes.

Yes. So according to medical science, the volatile oils present in onions help regulate body temperature. And so therefore, the onion absorbs some heat from your body.

So it's like pulling heat out of your body. There you go. There it is.

Wow. Let me ask you this. Because I know you're a hunter. And this is kind of what we were talking about today. Would you carry an onion in your pocket if you're going hunting?

Like in the summer in India? Yeah. Sure. Oh, no. Just today. No. That would be weird.

The things that I carry in my pocket when I go hunting is like, of course, my license, permit, whatever. And you know. Yeah. Water.

The reason we're asking this is because someone wrote into the show to ask Dr. Questions because they heard through the grapevine that you were a turkey hunter. Yes. And I think people, I don't think that they are in shock, but it's just, it's not a... You're a scholar. You're a scholar and a preacher. And so it's an...

Typically two worlds that don't intersect. Yeah. It's an unusual activity for, I mean, I guess down real, real country pastors would do it.

But typically you see a doctor, a PhD, and they're not out in the woods hunting deer and hunting turkeys and stuff. Right. But you actually went turkey hunting this morning. Yes.

With my son. Yeah. As you guys know, I grew up in India and we didn't hunt.

Yeah. Now, there were people in our church who hunted, as I've talked about it before. My dad grew up hunting. He grew up hunting tigers. That is insane. I just like, the more you share about your dad, the more I'm really ready to read a story about his life.

I know. He was converted from Islam, used to hunt tigers, pastor, worked with Billy Graham. Like just, that was such a fascinating guy. He did it all. Well, he hunted tigers with his father, who was police commissioner in India. And of course, in that time period, they had guns and they had the access to go hunting. And as I shared about, he took a British officer with him hunting and he sort of wet his pants upon the tree.

He just straight up did it. Tiger roar in the jungle. You're going to wet your pants. Yeah.

I'd do it. I heard stories about that. But coming to America, I came to Georgia for college and I would hear about my roommates going hunting. So I was like, hunting? What do you hunt? They said, well, we hunt deer. We hunt turkey or whatever.

I don't know what they hunted. And I was like, wow, I would love to do that one day. So yeah, we need to take you one day. That never happened. And then I met Nicole and her father, Pastor Jerry, who became my mentor, was an avid hunter and fisherman. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.

I didn't know Pastor Jerry. Yeah, if you ever go to Nicole's mama's house, massive deer heads everywhere and fish mounted and all that stuff. Yeah.

Wow. So he was like, yeah, we need to go hunting one day. And then it never happened because I met Nicole in 1994, we got married in 95, and he passed away in 98.

So there was a time that he mentored me, but never got a chance to go hunting with him. But I remember him going with his church people and friends and all that. And I was like, man, I'm going to go. He said, yes, we're going to go. And one day soon.

And then next thing you know, he has cancer, he passes away. Wow. Went to college, went to a seminary. And in seminary, I had friends who hunted. And they're like, yeah, we need to take you hunting. Never happened. A lot of empty promises. Yeah. And at church here, there were not any hunters there at the time.

But then little by little, people started coming in and who loved to hunt. And they would be like, yeah, we need to take you out one of these days, man. We need to go. I promise you love it. Nothing. Never. Nothing.

And I was like, OK, I don't think this is going to happen. And then there was a gentleman who took me out hunting. And I loved it. Now, when was that?

When was your first hunt? This was in 2000, oh my goodness, 13 maybe. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I think that's the year we met. Yeah.

That's insane. It was. So that was the very first one.

Yes. 2013. And oh, maybe even 2012. I think it was 2012. 2012.

Yeah. And I went. And of course, nothing happened. And he told me about deer hunting. And I'm like, where are they? I mean, I've seen them.

But not in the context of I'm here waiting on them. So he told me all this stuff about how deer have this incredible sense of smell and they can smell you. So watch this, watch that. I'm like, OK, yes.

And we are downwind right now. So we need to be careful and we do this and do that. Nothing. So I'm like, OK, so all these people go out and they don't see anything. They come back home.

Yeah. How does this work? I don't know how does this work. I don't advise this guy. I don't advise listening to him.

But Ron White used to have a bit on that. He was like, you know, I don't hunt. I don't hunt at all. I despise hunting.

I don't because I'm morally opposed to it. It's just cold, early. Nothing happens. I don't want to go. And I've done that. I've gone early in the morning, so dark out there that I could close my eyes and just follow this person. And I'll get to the tree stand and sit there. You sit in the tree stand. And then just freeze to death. Yeah. This is not fun.

Why do people do this? And then I went back. I was like, OK, let me try again. And then I went back again with this gentleman. And then I was like, OK, I get it.

So there are things you learn about how to know how to hunt, how to get in a tree stand, how to wait, getting a blind, whatever. And then little by little, I went with different people. And then I actually went turkey hunting. And I killed a turkey.

Yeah, I remember. Not the first time. No, not the first time.

Not the first time. It was like, I went two years, nothing. And the guy told me, he's like, hey, you're going, but you got to put your time in. Like, OK. How much time? So when you get up in the morning at 4.30, and you drive for half an hour to get to this person's place at 5, and then you get everything ready. And then you walk to the blind or the tree stand and get in there. And they sit there until 8, 8.30, day after day, week after week.

And you barely see anything, never shoot anything. Yeah. It's like, OK. Yeah. What's my motivation for this again? When does the fun start? Do I get to wait for the fun, or does the fun come to me? Yeah.

How does this all work? Yeah. It's kind of funny, because it's such a popular activity here in the South. And my dad grew up doing it. I remember my dad getting all geared up and wanting to go in there. He would sprinkle. He had urine, like dough urine, and he would put it on his boots. And he went all out, and I was like, that guy looks cool as mess.

I want to do that. And then I went with him when I was 12. We went twice. And I was like, I get it. I kind of was like you. I was like, OK.

I get it. It's cold. We'll sit in the tree stand. Hopefully, we see a deer. He didn't shoot one.

So the third time, I was like, I might sleep in. And that was kind of the end of it. That was my hunting career, yeah. My dad didn't hunt when I was growing up. He's not a big hunter. But my uncle, his brother, huge hunter. This is in South Carolina.

South Carolina. So we would go over to his house. He just kind of lived in camo gear. But he would have the deer heads mounted on the wall.

Whenever we'd go over there, he'd fix fresh game for us. So he was the big hunter in the family. I grew up seeing that one. He must have shot it before I was born or something, but there's a deer head that's been on the wall of our basement for ages, more than at least 30 something years.

And it's your dad's? Yeah, it's the one he shot. He loved it. He always loved it. He can't do it as much anymore. I think he's getting kind of old.

It's hard for him to walk. But I remember him getting up in the morning and just being gone. And by the time I was waking up, he was coming back, and I remember the sight of him unloading like his bow and his rifle and all that stuff.

So it was a fun time. He loves it. But I think more than deer, he loves turkey. Turkey hunting?

He loves turkey. OK. Yeah. And I know that's something that you really like as well, because it's kind of the most difficult.

It's the most challenging. I do like deer hunting, too. Don't get me wrong. I do like that, because I like deer. And I've hunted pretty religiously over the past 10 years now and killed many deer, but only one turkey.

Really? Only one turkey. The turkey is difficult. What's so difficult about it?

I've never been turkey hunting, but what is the most difficult part of turkey hunting that sets it apart? Sight. Just finding them? I mean, they can see you. Oh, I got you.

I remember you telling me this. Their eyesight is, like, incredible. Incredible. Deer smell. Mm-hmm. Turkey eyes. They can see. See. Sight.

Wow. And so you have to be careful. You have to get out there before light, daylight, and get in your blind and wait on them. And you need to call them. You need to know how to call.

Too much calling is not good. Yeah. This is a question mark. That's suspicious. That's a very talkative turkey over there. Question mark started coming up. Yeah.

And a lot of times, like, are very smart because they've been, they're like, okay, you're calling me. You're the hen. Mm-hmm.

And I gobbled. Why aren't you coming? Yeah, true. But if you're over here, like, still calling, it's like, now that you're dying. That's a good point. That's a good point.

It's like they're doing a back and forth, but this guy's not coming out at all. Oh, yeah. This girl.

Or this girl. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Good point. Yeah. And they're not, you know, they're, we say a lot of times that they're stupid animals, but a lot of times they really do get the better of us. They know what's going on.

Yeah. Turkey hunting is, to me, more of a mind game. Mm-hmm. It's a mind game. Deer hunting, you just need to understand how that works, the sense of smell. Mm-hmm.

I mean, I've known guys who go, who've been going deer hunting, and they just know the sense of smell part is so good with them that they'll know exactly, like, the wind is going this way. I need to be over there. I need to watch that. I need to watch that. And they come back with a deer. Yeah.

I'm like, how did you do that? Yeah. And then others are like, they've got all the gear, all the boots, and all the guns and everything, and they come back with nothing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because they don't understand.

Okay, you're in the wrong place. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah.

True. I think, I mean, I like turkey, don't get me wrong, but more than anything, I love deer meat. Oh, yeah. I really like venison.

It's so- Yeah, I like venison better than turkey. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I don't know how common this is. I'm sure it's common elsewhere, but in the South, I don't know how common it is, because everyone does it. But there is this idea that people have that hunting is an immoral act because you're killing, so you're going out of your way to kill something.

You are, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know, like when, for me, I grew up that this is just what people do. Right.

It's very normal. Yeah. I've heard people say that, like killing without need, like you can go to the store and get food. Why do you need to go out and kill the animals? Yeah. That's true.

And to me, and I'll talk about that in a minute, but let me just first mention this. The Bible allows for hunting for food. And in Proverbs 12, 27, it says, the lazy man does not roast what he took in hunting.

The lazy man does not roast what he took in hunting, but diligence is man's precious possession. So it almost assumes that you are going to hunt. Yeah. Yeah.

So even something the Bible addresses. Yeah. Another thing, everybody in ancient times was a hunter.

Right. I believe there were hunters, there were people who hunted as a profession, and then they brought the food to the public. Then there were people who raised animals for food. So it's a lot of different ways that we can look at that. But in American life, hunting defines who we are.

True. And it's a spirit of going out into the nature and getting your own food. That's the idea behind hunting.

Yeah. Now I know there's hunting as sport as well, and it keeps the population down of the wild animals. At the same time, when you're paying your fees and all this, also conserving nature for the next generation. And here's what I found. Majority of the time, whether I was in Georgia or North Carolina now, most hunters actually have great respect for creation. Most of them do. That's a great point. There are some crazies out there.

There always will be. But majority of them actually respect creation. They don't just go out there with a machine gun and just mow everything down. How do you feel about people who are just opposed to killing outright?

You know what I mean? Yeah. Again, I know that these people must exist, and I don't know where they exist. I don't know that they really exist that much here.

But they're out there, and they say that they really have... Killing animals, you mean? Yeah. Killing animals, killing... I mean, I guess obviously killing people, but just killing is wrong and nobody ought to do it.

Yeah. Murder is wrong, of course. But killing, yeah, that's a different issue altogether. And I am a little annoyed, because those are the same people who enjoy the freedoms we have.

Yeah, that's true. And yet they are... I'm nonviolent. They continue to go to a nonviolent country, which may not exist for very long. Once people find out that you're nonviolent and you don't have anything, they'll take you over. That means you're not gonna fight back. Yeah. But they enjoy the freedoms we have, and they refuse to support anything that requires taking up arms. Right.

And to me, it's a hypocrisy. True. Yeah.

As we close the episode, Dr. Shah, just one final question. What's your favorite part about anything? The memories. Really? Yeah. I enjoy the sport part, tracking things down, walking through the woods, but the best part is memories.

True. And I learned that from a gentleman and his wife who were avid hunters. And when I say avid hunters, he was very wealthy.

They live not very far from where we live in Granville County, and he passed away a few years ago. But he hunted all over the world. Wow.

Legally, of course. Yeah. And he asked him the same question, and his answer was not, oh, I love the sport, or I love to track, or I love to do... No, it was memories. Because once you go hunting, then you come back with a story.

That's true. Wow. Like this morning, my son Nicholas and I, Nick and I, we went hunting, and we came back with a story. Nick got him. Dropped him.

In the nick of time, Nick got him. There you go. Nice.

Very nice. But now when we left, we had a story. You have a story. That's right. You remember the time. You loved it.

That's awesome. I love it. If you guys are hunters, or fishermen, or fisherwomen, let's be inclusive to everybody.

If that's you, send us a picture of your... Your best kill. Your best kill.

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