Responding to Ted Cruz x Tucker Carlson

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We're back in the studio with our host, Dr. Abadan Shah, who is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, welcome to the studio this week. It's good to be here, good to be here.

Lots happening in the world, lots happening around us, and we need to talk about it from a biblical perspective, how to understand all this and how to have a biblical stand. Even if some people we may admire or think a lot of, don't always do the same. That's right. You know, I was thinking about it the other day that in the timeline of developing the Clearview Today show and just sitting down and talking and praying about opportunities coming at the right time. It really was the right time with the way that things have shifted on the world stage and the way that players have kind of risen and fallen and uh come uh countries have kind of come into the limelight.

It's really unbelievable that we've been given this platform at this moment in history. Yes, and I never could have seen this being like something that we talk about world events because we always, you know, Christians that we and we talked about this before. Christians like to stay in their bubble. You know, Christians like to say, let's just talk about Jesus, we'll just talk about the Bible. We might give you a little devotional here or two, but things that are going out in the world, that's the world, and that's evil.

And so we're not going to touch that. And that's why for years I've been writing on these matters. I have. A newspaper column. I have a blog site and I have been talking about these issues.

And of course, from my in my messages on the pulpit, I have talked about these issues so that people can be educated and they don't have to Wonder where does our church stand? Where does our pastor stand? That's right. What is the biblical perspective?

Now, of course, there will be people here and there who will disagree, and that's fine, but at least they should know what they're disagreeing with. That's right. And if they truly study the issues, they will understand why we stand on certain issues a certain way. And so today we're going to talk about some one of those issues which right now. Is the talk of the town?

Yeah, I don't really know what to think about. You want to start us with the verse of the day? Yeah, absolutely.

So, the verse of the day today is coming from Romans chapter 11, verse 26. And so, all Israel will be saved as it is written: the deliverer will come out of Zion, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Good reminder for us, and a lot of those Christians who have forgotten that all Israel will be saved. This isn't something like God just said that in the moment, and he's like, Well, shoot, they turned away again. I don't know.

I guess I'll just replace them with the church. All of Israel will be saved. That's God's word. Yeah, that's right. And for those of you who are confused by that verse or not sure how to interpret that, I have made a statement sometime back in a message.

I said, you know, not all generations are equal. What that means is, not every generation has the same purpose. The generation in which, let's just say, Noah lived was a different generation. That's right. Only Right?

Six people were were able to well, eight people were able to get God's plan and get on the the ark. That was a very different generation. Imagine a generation where there's only only eight people are left in the world. That's it. That's wild.

And I would say prior to the flood, the entire world was covered with people. Yeah. Only eight are found who were sort of that's going to affect the way that generation thinks and behaves, right? I can't think of anything that wouldn't. And even there, I would say only Noah probably was the righteous one.

I don't know about all his sons. But, anyways, that's that's a different generation. Then there was a generation that lived in during the time of the Exodus. That's a different generation. Then there was a generation, many of them died in the wilderness.

Then a generation that went into the promised land.

Well, if you want to fast forward, there was a generation that was waiting for the coming of the Messiah, the consolation of Israel. That's when Jesus came. And I believe in the end times, there will be a generation. Yeah. for whom this prophecy in Romans chapter ten Has been given, or chapter 9 has been given.

Can you read that passage again? Yeah. And so all Israel will be saved as it is written, the deliverer will come out of Zion, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And what is the passage? Romans 11:26.

11. I'm sorry. I said 9. But 9 through 11 are about the role of ethnic Israel in the end times. That's right.

And in that generation, so not all Jewish people from all times, or not all Israelites from all times, or all Hebrews, no. Many probably are lost, but many were saved. But this is the generation. And this is a special doctrine, Dr. Shah, because this is not a doctrine that we just can sit around and we can't afford to sit around and pontificate and ponder and give little points.

Like Israel is in the news right now. You know, Israel is, this is one of the most relevant Christian doctrines I would say right now. And it's crazy because I didn't, before October 7th, I would have never expected that that would have been the case. That this is something that we could sit around and we could talk about and we could say, well, no, I think Israel still has a part to play. But now it's like this really, really matters.

There's so many people who have that perspective of like the church replacing Israel. And, you know, that's kind of infected various schools of thought. But Israel, whether or not we stand with Israel, has always been the question. You know, are we going to ally with Israel? Are we going to not stand with Israel?

Are we not going to support them here? But especially, like you're saying, John, especially now, I mean, that Israel is at the forefront of world events, that is a huge deal. We've got to answer it for ourselves individually. We've got to answer. It as a nation, we've got to answer it as believers.

What does this mean for the church at large? We've got to provide answers for this because people are asking. And one of the biggest advantages I would say, Dr. Shah, is that we are standing with Israel right now. We are making, as a nation, we are making the conscious choice to stand with Israel and support them in this.

And we should do that. And God's people have done it throughout history because we don't know which generation it is.

So, to once again sort of go back to what I said, not all generations are equal. People often go, oh, okay, well, where did you get that from? All right, so Matthew chapter 24. In verse 34, Matthew 24:34 says, Assuredly, I say to you, This generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. This generation, that was not necessarily the generation in which Jesus was walking the streets of Galilee or Jerusalem.

This is the generation for whom Matthew 24 prophecies are given. And so, yes. It may be that we are living in that generation in 2025. That we are seeing the Jewish people under attack, and maybe this is that generation that God will use to. Bring his people back to himself.

This is the generation that will have to face persecution. And this is the generation to whom the Messiah will come and all Israel will be saved. There may be someone listening and they're saying, Well, what are the odds of that? What are the odds that we're that actual generation after all this time has passed? But I like one thing that you have said before.

You did a series on the proto-evangelion, the Genesis 3:15, where every Jewish woman who ever lived after that had to live as though she might be the one. That's right. They had to live with that type of faith.

So, also with us, like even if we're not that generation, we're supposed to live as though we are. That's right. And that also was part of their Passover ceremony when they would. Uh Observe the Passover even to this day, they would say that. As if I have come out of Egypt.

They don't say, like, as they came out, as I came.

So, every generation could be the one, and this may be the one, and we should always support Israel. That's right. But, you know, there's a really strange clip that's circulating around social media right now. We just saw it last night. Dr.

Shaw actually sent it to me, and we got together and said, I think we should talk about this. Tucker Carlson. Yeah. What is wrong with this guy? I mean, this interview just off the rails where he's, you know, pretty much attacking Ted Cruz.

I have watched Tucker Carlson interviews before and. More or less like them, you know what I mean? Like, I've seen some where he will go after liberals and he'll be like, Oh, this, aren't they crazy and aren't they silly? And blah, blah, blah. All that's fine and good.

But he's interviewing Ted Crue. In fact, I think we have the clip. If we can, if we do you want to watch the clip, sure. All right. No, I don't know the population.

You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple? Shit. How many people live in a rail? 92 million.

Okay. Yeah, how could you not know that? I don't sit around memorizing population tables.

Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government. Why is it relevant whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million? Because if you don't know anything about the country, I didn't say I don't know anything about the country.

Okay, what's the ethnic mix of Iran? They are Persians and predominantly Shia.

Okay, no, it's not even you don't know anything about Iran.

So I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran. You're a senator who's calling for the country. You're the one who's throwing the government. I don't know anything about the country. No, you don't know anything about the country.

You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump. I'm not saying that. Who can't figure out a good idea to kill General Filomani, and you just said it was me? I believe they're trying to murder Trump. Yes, I do.

Because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation. And if they really believe they're carrying out military strikes today, you said Israel was. Right, with our help. I'm saying we. Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

Well, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.

Well, we're not bombing them. Israel's bombing them. You just said we were. We are supporting Israel as a senior. If you're saying the United States government is a we're with Iran right now, people are listening.

Okay. Crazy. Yeah, there's more in that clip that I would love to watch, but so we can address some of those issues. Yeah, yeah. But the first thing while we're pulling the rest of that clip up, I do want to ask.

And point out. 100%. He only knew the population of Iran because he looked it up prior to this interview. Absolutely. There's no way he just had that in his ready.

There's no way he said, I think it's really important as an informed person, I should know the population of Iran. He looked it up before. There's no way I had that at the ready. My question is, and Senator Cruz, you know, he says, I'm not trying to, you know, eradicate the country. We're trying to overthrow the government.

We're trying to, you know, bring about change there. My question is: is the population relevant? Do we need to know the population density in Iran to carry out aggressive action? Bottom line is Tucker Carlson wanted to find a way to make Ted Cruz look ignorant, not up to date with what he's doing, just one of these These right-wingers who get on, jump on a bandwagon, and just go with it. And that's what he was trying to do.

But as I watched the interview, and of course, most times I have watched. Tucker Carlson walked away going, okay, that was good. I liked it. This gave me such a bad taste in my mouth. He gave me Tucker Carlson.

Yeah, he gave me the dick for you. He gave me the Tucker Carlson 100% gave me. Yeah, that's just, it's just not a good look. I mean, he looks petty. He looks like.

He is like a little child who is purposely trying to goad and trying to harass somebody to make himself look better. But I'm sorry, in the moment, maybe you want a few people on your side that they're saying, wow, there you go, there you go. You let Ted Cruz have it. But I can promise you, I don't think this is going to work out so well for Tucker Carlson. But at the same time, It's not good rhetoric.

It's not good arguing because, guess what? The population genuinely is not very, you don't have to know the population to suggest military intervention. Why do you need to know that? Right. As long as you know a rough number or know that it's about maybe 100 million.

Yeah. He may have said that, or maybe it was like maybe 80 million. I mean, that's fine to do that. That's not the real issue. The real issue is what has been Iran's role over the past decades.

Right. In bringing Turmoil and and violence and terrorist attacks all over the world, especially against Israel. Also against America. And you can do that, by the way. Like Tucker Carlson is a professional troll, but you can do that with anything.

Yeah. Like you could be like, so Ryan, is that my microphone right there? Is that a cardioid or is that a condenser or is that a dynamic mic? I don't I don't know. You're a radio host.

How can you not know? You mean you use that every day and you don't know? I do. I just talk into the microphone.

Okay. Do you know what it is? I mean, yeah, but still guess what I'm saying is you can do that with anything. If Ted Cruz had known the population, Tucker Carlson would have just picked something. You're 100% right.

He would have just picked another detail to try to trip Senator Cruz up on. And just, I mean, it just shows that it's not a good interview setup. He's not ready to engage with the content. He's just trying to trip him up. But here's my question, Dr.

Shah. If that had been a liberal, if that had been someone on the left, someone who was very anti-Israel, I would say, oh, okay, of course. That's completely appropriate. Way for them to conduct an interview. Why this?

Why is the goal to trip up Ted Cruz?

So behind all of this is, I would I call it the isolationist policy. That Tucker Carlson and people like him espouse. Isolationist policy says. Americans should mind their own business and not get entangled in another nation's economic or whatever policies or their problems. Don't get involved with other people.

And To some extent, I understand that. I agree with it.

Some things you have to go, you know, they need to sort that out. But there is a major, major flaw. It's evidence that you don't really understand how foreign policies work. You don't understand how world governments work. When you say don't get involved, To give you an illustration, years ago when I was, I think this was the year 2000.

I went to visit my family and we took my wife and of course our two kids at the time, Rebecca and Abigail, they were little kids.

So this was 2000. We went to visit my dad. And while there, Different churches invited me to come and preach. Of course, because I was going in the ministry. I was in the ministry.

I was pastoring already here. And so they invited me to come and And I did. And after one of those preaching uh Sundays. Afterwards we were invited to The pastor's home. for lunch.

And so we went there. And I remember a conversation began between my dad And the pastor of the church, and maybe one or two of their deacons. And so the conversation began, and I couldn't help overhearing. And my dad said, No, but but what what is who who is saying that? What's going to And I remember the pastor and a couple of the other deacons saying, Oh, just just we we will resolve it.

It's it's it's not a big deal. And my dad kept asking. No, no, no. Who is it? I need to know.

And or what's going on, or who's doing what. Ah, it's just an internal matter. We don't want to publicize that. And so, when all was said and done, of course, they finally gave in and told my dad everything. I asked my dad, I said, Why did you want to know so badly?

Is it because I am the moderator of the association? And sooner or later the Senad. Right. Association.

Sooner or later that's going to come before me. They're going to I know what they're doing. I wanted to hear from them what was happening because it's going to cause a lot of turmoil. in the Sanad. It's going to cause problem among Fellow churches.

Right. I said, oh. And That's a Just an illustration of how America has to see what happens in the world. But I can see why people would bristle at that. Like, if, like, it would, it would be like.

Don't get involved in another church's drama, but I'm not doing this to try to get involved in some drama. I'm trying to protect the unity of our fellow churches. And again, it was his position. This is not like if a neighboring church is having problems, I'm going to go involve it. Good point.

This was a synod of which he was the president of these churches.

So he has that leadership. It was a denominational issue. It's his duty. Yeah, it's a denominational issue that was happening. Great point.

So, also, with so, so I'm not for a moment advocating that go and get involved in other churches' mess. No, that's that's not his position, it was the synod president. Yeah, yeah, you know, in that position, he had to know what was happening so he could address and maybe sort of fend off any other problems that were on the horizon because these people were about to make a big mistake and big mess. Also with the world. America may not be the Senate president, as in, like, somebody.

voted to elect us as the president of the world. But we are. We are. Like functionally, we are. Functionally, we are.

Yeah. And to say that we're not is is ignorance and foolishness.

So, when things happen in the world, and I'm not saying go get involved in any you know, skirmish somewhere. But When there are major issues like what's happening in the Middle East or what's happening in Europe. We have to step up. You said Why do we need to? Because our young men and women will die.

I understand that. But if we don't, somebody will fill the vacuum.

Somebody will make themselves the leader. And now those people will band under that somebody, and then that somebody inevitably is going to turn to America And challenge us. That's right. Challenge us whether it's defensively, challenge us whether it's economically, socially, you name it, culturally, they're going to challenge us. That's right.

Left unchecked.

Somebody will take the position of being The leader of the world, and that's a that's a that's a law of the universe. You know, you taught physics, you know, that a vacuum by definition will be filled. It can't, that's right, it can't exist as a vacuum. Yeah, um, and I think that's that's something we need to remember. It's especially true in leadership structures.

I mean, the maxim goes, power abhors a vacuum. Like, that's right, people will, people will find a way to step into that role. And why not? I mean, if we have that role, the country that prioritizes liberty and freedom and looking out for others, why not founded on biblical values? Let's maintain that and let's be the one to step in and intervene where needed.

You know, last this past. Few months, we just wrapped up a series on the book of Judges, and we saw that. That especially in leadership, when there's a vacuum in leadership, it's never the case that someone who's godly and who's godly and like Christian and got the right values, they never the ones like, Yeah, I'll do it. It's always the pagans, that's because they're always not the power-hungry right, right? It's always the people, wicked people who don't want rising up.

They're like, shoot, if no one else is going to step up, I'll do it. Also, this is not a simple issue because throughout the history of our nation, we have wrestled with this issue, whether or not we should get involved. I mean, even going all the way back to the revolutionary generation, George Washington talked about this. The Monroe Doctrine come down to the time of Teddy Roosevelt. You know, whether or not with Japan, what's happening at the time, should we or should we not get involved?

World War One. Should we or should we not get involved? Uh World War two.

Okay, so this has been uh something that has been coming Uh has been argued over for a long time. Yeah. But Every time we did stand up and fight. Of course, your people always bring them like a Vietnam. Oh, you don't know.

Look at how many how how unnecessary was that. Of course, I understand there was bad foreign policy and things that Should have been done right, weren't done right. I get it. I mean, it's not clean and perfect. But not getting involved gives The wrong people.

Power. When we don't show up in this Middle Eastern conflict, guess who is in charge? Russia is in charge. And don't ever think they are our friends. I spoke to, we've spoken to, there's Vietnam veterans in our church, and a lot of them have said, you know, that people learned the wrong lesson.

Yeah, which is which is going over there and getting involved was a mistake. And that's not the lesson that we should have learned. Like you said, yes, that could have been handled better. The leadership could have been different, strategy could have been different. But the lesson to learn is not: hey, guys, see, don't ever get involved in a fight that's not yours.

Right. That's not the answer. Iran. Is getting more and more powerful. And look at what they've done.

October 7, 2023 should be a warning to us that when left unchecked, this is what. People like this do. This is what h uh came through Hamas. This is what happened later on, the ring of fire where Hezbollah from the north. This is the Houthis in Yemen.

And of course, there are people who argue and say, Oh, that's not really an Iranian proxy, whatever. I mean, do you really think they carry a lineage walking around? It's like, yeah, we are the proxy. Let me tell you how it works. Of course.

This is all based on deceit. This is all based on saying, hey, I don't know. We were not involved. What are you talking about? Show us.

It's all based on lies, yeah.

So, but when you know, yeah, they could not have obtained those weapons. Other than through Iran, you have to make that call. Right. So operating through these proxies and these other entities, but now in the forefront is Iran. And this is where the conflict is where we find ourselves.

We did an episode on Iran, like a deep dive into Iran, their backstory, and even their future story. And it is sort of hard to reconcile all this evil that's coming out of there now with the plan of God that ultimately one day they'll be redeemed. They'll be fulfilled. Known as Elam, right? Right.

Exactly. Isaiah. And it's just one of those things that you have to sort of wrestle with. And you have to say, what do we do? And Dr.

John, maybe that's the question: is what do we do in the here and now? Just the everyday Christian. I mean, definitely pray for our nation. Pray for Israel. Pray for the peace of Israel.

Pray for these people, the Iranian people. Definitely, they have been under this subjugation for a long time. That's something I think people aren't saying. They're not talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, they've been victims as well. I mean, there are people who are living in Iran who are victims of this power-hungry elite that run the country. That's right. And so pray for them.

And I've seen a couple of videos here and there people saying, hey, listen, guys, y'all need to stop because y'all are bombing the civilians.

Okay. Iranian regime is on the run.

Okay, let this play out. I don't believe it one bit. No. This is all propaganda coming through again. That's right.

And they're using good people to do that. I'm sure they're threatening them. You better say it or else.

So propaganda. Don't listen to propaganda. Israel does not need to stop until it is done. And America needs to stay right there with Israel. And All the free nations of the world should join in and say, hey, look, we're standing here.

That's right. and and help end this Decades-long misery, and of course, the violence that has been around. And so, for Tucker Carlson, going back to him. To do what he did. Um I I it's shameful.

It's wrong. And I, for one, I'm not going to be watching him much. No, I've unsubscribed from Tucker Carlson. I really don't. He's he's he's a gotcha guy.

You know what I mean? He, I can tell and I'm not a journalist. I'm not speaking on behalf of journalists. You're much more of a journalist than I am because you actually majored in that field. But The point is never, like with us, the point is never to say, Oh, gotcha.

I dominated you in this conversation. And I feel like most, if not all, of his conversations are about that way. Like I said, it's fun to watch when he's doing it with liberals and he's doing it with people who are crazy and he knows he's going to get the upper hand in this conversation. But this is a man, Ted Cruz is a man who's. Trying to do the right thing, trying to stand for American and Christian ideals.

That's right. And somebody just sent Tucker Carlson a certificate saying, Great job. Really? You're a very smart guy. Oh, you're saying that's what they need to do?

Yeah, just give him a certificate saying, You're a smart guy.

Okay. Pat on the back. That's what you want to do. Scratch your belly like the dog that you are. Yeah, do what you need to do.

That confused, and I can tell because, I mean, like I said, I've been an internet troll before. I know what it's like. That really confused when he's like, oh, you don't. You don't know what? I would think you would know that.

Okay, well, like he's acting deshoved. Like, okay, let me. Let me rephrase because I thought you would have known.

Okay, whatever. I'm like, yeah, this dude's trying to. Yeah, that lost a lot of respect. Yeah. Dr.

Shaw, as we're wrapping up the conversation, though, there are people, I'm sure there are people, maybe more on the right than on the left, who are saying, you know, but Tucker does have a good point. America needs to watch out for itself first. What would you say?

Well, Tucker Carlson also said that Russia is not wrong for what it did in Ukraine. Obviously, he said that. Yeah, because they're looking out for themselves. Yeah, I mean, the silly, silly, silly things. I had a little kid tell me that uh one time I talked about how, you know, we need to stand up for Ukraine and we need to we need to deal with Russia.

What do you mean? What do you mean? I mean, they're looking out for themselves like we should. I'm like, for one. Don't come up against me with your limited knowledge based on watching a few reels of Tucker Carlson.

Right. Secondly, you don't understand world politics one bit. Yeah. Right. What is the population of Russia?

Oh, no. If I can't answer that, I can't.

Well, I can't either. I don't know. No, the whole point was it is based on a very selfish, self-centered behavior that they're looking out for themselves, and we should look out for ourselves too. No, what makes America great is the fact that we're built on Judeo-Christian values. To be built on Judeo-Christian values not only means that, hey, we are a successful nation that takes care of our own.

No, it means that we love God and we love our neighbor as ourselves. That's right. That's right. You have no idea. over there in in the other part of the world, how people welcome Americans.

Stop listening to the liberal media, stop listening to such right wingers who who have an ulterior motive. Most of the time when people see American flags, They are happy. They are happy to see them. Whether it's in Iraq, Iran. Whether it's in Africa, whether it's in South America, whether it's in Europe, they're happy to see the American flag.

Why? Because they know Americans, if they come, they're coming to bring help. That's right. They're coming to save us from the oppressors. And so Stop listening to the negative, secular, humanistic, uh Socialist rhetoric that America is hated everywhere.

We should stop in. It's wrong. Don't listen to that. That's right. We are usually welcomed.

Because we bring help, we bring hope. We represent freedom, liberty. That's what we represent. And sometimes the very people we're helping may also turn against us. That's true.

That's true. It's the fact of life.

Okay, that's how it happened to Jesus, right? That's right. I mean, the very people he was saving were also nailing him to the cross. That's absolutely right. Good point.

But that's like my dad told me years ago when I was complaining about this, that, and the other, he's like, son, just be like Jesus. You know what the Bible says about Jesus? He went about doing good. It's just keep doing good. That's right.

Can't do that if you isolate yourself from the world. Amen. Amen. Such a good reminder for us. Guys, write in and let us know what you took away from today's episode: 252-582-5028.

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