Thursday, April 17th | Liberating Ministries From the Success Syndrome (Dr. Shah's Book Club)

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You could be hard pressed to the top yesterday. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Abidan Shah. Welcome to the show.

It's good to be here. Those of you guys joining us for the very first time, Dr. Shah is a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, today's check-in is coming to us from Eddie F. from Nashville, Tennessee.

What do you think the F stands for? Eddie Fant- Oh. Eddie Fantastic?

Sure. He liked that in honor of the Fantastic Four? Eddie Fantastic. Yeah, a Fantastic Four trailer, for those of y'all who haven't seen it, just dropped again.

It looks really incredible. This is Eddie Fantastic from Nashville. Hey, Dr. Shah. Welcome home from the UK. Not going to lie, it's been rough here in the States. I can barely... Sorry.

I can barely afford groceries. Then I turn on the TV to see celebrities floating around in space like it's some kind of vacation. Felt so out of touch with what the rest of us are going through. Glad I could tune in here to the Clearview Today show and hear something real for a change. Much appreciated. Please pray for our nation, Eddie Fantastic. Eddie Fantastic. Eddie. He got some venom in there.

A nail in the head. It's Eddie, and he's got a little bit of venom. There it is. There it is. Dr. Shah, Eddie says, much appreciated for the show.

Keeping it real. That's right. That's awesome. That's awesome.

Thank you. Welcome to the show, and thank you for listening and watching us. We do try to do that. We try to keep things real over here. We try to keep things grounded, and I think that's one of the things that you do best, Dr. Shah, is you take the mind of a scholar. You take these really deep theological insights. You bring it down to a level that I think the average person can understand. It's one of the things that makes the show unique. Yeah, bringing it down to where we can understand, but also lifting us up to where we're operating in a higher academic space.

I mean, you pull us somewhere we wouldn't naturally go. Thank you. I got a game for you guys. Dr. Shah, while you were over in the UK, I was doing some thinking.

I was like, what are some segments we can bring into the show to liven things up a little bit? I don't know what came to me, but the title came to me before anything happened. The title came to me before the concept of the game. The game is called Proverb or NaVerb.

So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to read you five proverbs. One of the proverbs is completely fake.

It's fictional. Chat GPT wrote it. The other one, Solomon probably wrote it.

The other four, I should say, Solomon probably wrote it. So I'm going to give you five proverbs, and you listening at home, you just text in when you hear the one you think is fake. But Dr. Shah, pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverb or NaVerb? Ooh.

Repeat it again. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Is NaVerb. That's a NaVerb? Yeah.

That's a proverb. The second part is... No, no, no. So I'm going to read five. I'm going to read five of them.

One of them is going to be fake. Do you want me to just read all five at once? Yeah, that would help.

So I thought the second line was a different translation. Got you, got you. So I'll read all five, and then we'll pick which one is the NaVerb. Okay, here's number one. Pride goes... This one's a gimme. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.

That one is a pro. That's Proverb 1618. All right, here's number two. As iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. Here's number three. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace.

When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. Here's number four. The tongue of the wise is a tree of life, but the foolish speak in haste and reap folly. I can go and tell you the one coming up is a NaVerb.

The one that's about to happen? Number five is a merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. Oh, wow. No, no, it's not. It's a real proverb.

Yeah, so that number five is a proverb. Yes. I don't know anymore. You want me to repeat one of them?

No, I will be sure. Okay, so here's number two. As iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. Number three. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace.

When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. And then number four. The tongue of the wise is a tree of life, but the foolish speak in haste and reap folly. I don't know anymore.

I give up. Because they all sound like the proverb. They all sound biblical. And I've reached through the book of Proverbs. Do you know which one?

I do, but only because we read them before we recorded the show. So I'll eliminate one. Number two is a proverb. As iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. Yeah, I knew that.

So there's only two left. Number three. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace. When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. And number four. Considered wise.

Yeah. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace. When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. Number four.

The tongue of the wise is a tree of life, but the foolish speaks in haste and reaps folly. Okay, maybe the last one may not be. Yeah, that's an adverb.

That was fake. That's the game. I was thinking maybe the more we do it, we could have a bunch of them and pamper in a bunch of false ones. And then when we get our sound effects set back up, you guys buzz in if you think you hear a noverb.

And the first one to three wins. But yeah, that's the game. My confusion was, I was thinking maybe you're using a different translation. And okay.

Yeah. So I told you at GBT to give me, and maybe the next time I'll specify, give me all New King James. But yeah, so the first one is Proverbs 16, 18. Then Proverbs 27, 17. Proverbs 17, 28. The fourth one is fake.

And then Proverbs 17. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

I'll get them all for New King James, but that's a fun game. We're going to be coming back to proverb or noverb. You set up the premise and I was like, oh yeah, no problem.

We'll be able to get this. And then you read through and I was like, oh. So that's one thing Chad. That's pretty, that's actually pretty convincing. It can fool you. It can fool you. So yeah, that's a fun game.

You should, you should, that should be one of your Sunday night games. So we've done, we've done similar things like that in Sunday school. Like, is this, is this in the Bible or not? One of them was like, is this Lamentations or is this the lyrics to a Taylor Swift song?

Or like things along those lines. Is this, is this a, Is it really hard to decipher? Sometimes it is. Really? Sometimes. I mean, there are some that are pretty obvious, but. Let's find, let's find some and bring that onto the show. Cause I would, Yeah, I got, I got a bunch of them. Yeah. You're, you're pretty good. I should, I should have reached out to you cause you're pretty good at coming up with games.

Is this, is this in the Bible or is it not? Yeah, there's a, there's a ton of us. All right, let's do it. We're going to take a quick break and be right back with more Clear Read Today Show. But if you want to check in with us, write in and let us know, two five two five eight two five zero two eight. We love hearing from you guys. Shout out to Eddie for writing in our check-in today.

Thank you, Eddie. And don't forget that you can support us on Clear Read Today Show dot com. We're going to take a quick break and be right back with more Clear Read Today. Hi, I'm Dr. Abidan Shah, lead pastor at Clear Read Church and host of the Clear Read Today Show. Every day we bring you bold biblical truth to help you navigate life with clarity and confidence. We tackle the tough questions, dive deep into God's work and bring a fresh perspective on faith, culture and the world around us.

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You can make a one time donation or become a monthly partner. Whatever God lays on your heart, thank you for standing with us in this ministry. Together we can make Christ visible. Welcome back to Clear View Today with Dr. Abbadon Shah, the Daily Show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. Dr. Shah, today's verse of the day is coming to us from 2 Timothy 4 and verse 17.

It says, But the Lord stood with me and strengthened me so that the message might be preached fully through me and that all the Gentiles might hear, and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. Dr. Shah, have you ever felt like when you get up to speak or you get up to deliver a message that you know what you need to say, but it's going to be difficult to deliver? Maybe because it's a hard-hitting message or it's a sensitive topic or you know several things that people are dealing with in the congregation. Have you ever felt like that?

Yeah, oh yeah, many times. If it's just a content that is complicated and sort of deep or really theologically dense, then that's a different kind of pressure. You feel like, Lord, help me because I want to communicate the truth of the Word of God. There are people's lives hanging in the balance. They are struggling.

They are here because they've come to find life and I don't want to distract them by becoming academic or becoming too pedantic or whatever. I want to make sure they get that. So there's a little pressure there. But then there's a different kind of pressure when you are communicating a truth that is very needed and yet people are struggling and hurting and it's going to be painful. And yeah, those times, it's tough. Do you ever feel like you're walking into a lion's den or you're walking into, maybe like you're walking into an arena for battle where you know, okay, I'm about to take the pulpit. This is not a battle in the sense that these people aren't on my side, but it's like a spiritual, like I'm going to need your strength to get through this sermon?

Yeah, not in the same way, but it's like that happens especially when we're dealing with church growth situations. Like we have to make this decision. We have to move forward. We have to trust God. We cannot wait till every single thing lines up and then we can now step out and give God the glory. No, God doesn't need the glory now because it's no longer by faith, it's by sight.

You want to see everything laid out. So preaching those kinds of messages are harder for me. Messages like standing up for the truth, like let's say the doctrine of inerrancy or speaking against the sin of homosexuality, which is very difficult nowadays. That is not as tough anymore because our context, the church body is very, they're here because they believe this to be the truth.

But then there are other venues like at a graduation. I was speaking at a graduation, a school graduation. They invited me to come and speak because I'm a pastor and they said, we want you to speak. And so I read a scripture. I did not preach the gospel, but I read a scripture and there was a lady sitting pretty close to the front and she's like, no, no.

She opposed it? Yeah, because I was reading the Bible. Wow. Oh scripture from the Bible. And so I heard that and the principal was there and I could tell she heard it too and she was not happy with that person, but it was kind of like, it is what it is.

And so I, and nothing happened, thank God. God has a way of silencing the lions, so to say. And so that was a tough message because I was preaching in a context where somebody was like, oh, you got to keep the faith out of this. And, but the only reason I was using scripture in that context was to say the importance of, you know, teaching our children the right things. I wasn't saying become a Christian today.

Trust in Jesus. No, because there were a lot of people there from different backgrounds. But I was, I'm a pastor, I'm not going to apologize. Right, of course. For speaking from the Bible. That's why you called me to come speak. That's what I was going to say.

Ultimately, I mean, they knew who they called, they knew who they asked. It wasn't a shock that you're a pastor of a church. Yeah. So I mean, speaking using the Bible, that's, that's your wheelhouse. And I did use the name Jesus.

I always do that. Right. Even if I'm not going to say he died on the cross for your sins and he's the only hope, some context you cannot do that because you will not get a second chance to come back and make an impact. So I will say, hey, but Christ changed my life. Right. Now, I'm hoping the Holy Spirit will take that. That's right. Because the name of Christ was preached specifically, Jesus Christ.

Yes. I appreciate that. And you know, I think there's a lot of preachers and pastors out there, apparently maybe some who are young and who are just starting their ministry, or maybe there's some who've been doing this for decades and they've been not seeing the success that they want because either they're chasing the wrong thing or because like you said, they're getting up into the pulpit and either that weight and that gravity is not there or they feel like maybe God is just not with me or I'm not relying on him.

There's all sorts of reasons why I think pastors would be frustrated. And when I read that this was the verse of the day, I thought this would be a good chance to do book club, Dr. Schell's book club. We haven't done it in a little while and then with you traveling. So I thought today would be kind of cool. We could introduce a book, but Ryan, I'm going to, I'm going to cue up a little music from the maestro.

Would you introduce book club for us? Oh, absolutely. Hold on.

Let me get my announcer voice ready. Oh maestro. What the world?

Did you switch the button? That's not, that was not. Oh maestro.

All right. Play the book club music, please play the book club music. There it is. Welcome to Dr. Shaw's book club where every page leads to a deeper truth and every chapter brings us closer to God's heart. Whether you're an avid reader or just starting your journey through the world of faith filled books, this is the place for thoughtful conversation, biblical insight, and a little bit of fun along the way.

This was supposed to be a really cool touching thing, but for some reason, for some reason, my button is labeled book club music and it said, the fact that it did twice this book into your radar. This book right there, right into your mind. Dr. Shaw, what book do you have to eat for us today? Oh, so since we're talking about ministry and pastoring and preaching, so I decided to bring three books today written by people I admire over the years. I think they have done a lot of good for the kingdom of God and their hearts have always been in the right place.

And three people, I would say from three very different backgrounds and yet I believe they could sit around a room like this and very quickly they will connect very well. And the first one is a book that I was assigned to read in my pastoral ministry class called Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome by Kent and Barbara Hughes. Now, I'll be honest, when I first saw the title, I didn't want to read the book because many times what happens is people tell you, don't worry about success and don't try to become a big church or whatever.

You just be faithful where you are. And then they say, but buy my book. Right, right. The message, the implicit message is settle for mediocrity.

I'm not going to, but I want you to. You help me be successful but you don't worry about that. Right. Yeah. And so I didn't like that at all until I read the book and I realized, oh, I think this has been mistitled. A better title would probably be, you know, Be Successful for God or something like that. I think it would have been a better title. Right.

Because he does not shy away from success. No, no, of course not. And so this is a great book written by Kent and Barbara Hughes. And if you know anything about them, he was a senior pastor of College Church in Wheaton, Illinois. And he is one of the editors or was years ago of Crossways Preaching the Word commentary series. It's just a wonderful man of God. And both he and his wife have really made a difference in the world for Christ. But anyways, this book was good because he helps define success from a biblical perspective. Correct, correct.

So it's not like, so again, I think this has been mistitled. Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome. But if you notice the chapters are Disappointing Dreams. Chapter number two, Hang on to My Faith. Chapter number three, Success is Faithfulness. Four, Success is Serving. Five, Success is Loving. Six, Success is Prayer, is Believing. Seven, Success is Prayer. Eight, Success is Holiness. Nine, Success is Attitude.

Ten, Sweet Success. And then it talks about encouragement from God. So I don't think this is a correct title.

Yeah. Almost like a redefining success. That I think would have been a much better title. And that really is what the book is. Dr. Shaw, you had us read that book as a staff many years ago.

And I remember the exact same thing. I went into it thinking exactly like, this is a guy who's going to say, hey, it's not about the numbers. It's not about doing well.

It's not about the lights and the stage and the same old tired stuff that we always hear. But it's really saying that when your church is successful, it will look like this, not this. And I appreciated that because it does imply that your church should strive to be successful. But what is true success from God's perspective, from a biblical perspective?

Oh, yes, I can take that. So it also helps you in many areas in the sense of learning to sacrifice, learning to be humble, learning to give God the glory. I mean, these are the foundational pillars, if I may, of a good ministry that pleases God.

Right. And the Hughes write in such a way that it's so relatable. It's so fun and engaging, but they intersperse personal stories in there. I read this when we read it as a team, but I also read it when I was interning with you, finishing up my degree at Southeastern. You want to tell the story?

I can't tell the story. So I borrowed the book from Dr. Shaw, and I read it as we were doing the internship. He was my supervisor. And I read through the book, and it was his copy. So I read it, and I, in my mind, returned the book after we were done, after I finished reading it, after we were done with the internship.

So then it came time for us to read the book as a staff. Well then, I got a copy, I got my own copy, and Dr. Shaw was like, hey, did you ever give me my copy of Liberating Ministry from the Success Center back? I was like, I did. When we were done with the internship, I gave it back to you. I was like, I don't think I got it back from you. Knowing you, I'm sure that you were like, yeah, I did. I probably did. Well, no, I started to question him. I was like, did I? No, no, he went the other way. He's like, oh, maybe I didn't. Maybe I didn't turn back.

I'll go back and look. I tore my house upside down, inside out, looked through every one of my books, reached out to my teachers at Southeastern. I went, did I leave a book in your classroom?

It would have had this inscription on the inside cover. Were you attending on campus at the time? Yeah. Okay, okay. I mean, I was doing kind of a hybrid thing.

I'm with you. But I was like racking my brain. Like, what happened? I thought I turned this in and I have no idea.

And then come to find out. I had it the whole time. You really did?

Yeah. It was in my library at home and it was just sitting there and, you know, and I went through my books and never saw it. Couldn't see it.

And there it was. To be fair, it's a red book with yellow text. Well, actually, this is a different edition. Same stuff, but it's a different cover. The book I have is a different cover. Got you.

Okay. But anyways, the point is that it is a good book. It's a great book.

And I wholeheartedly recommend it. It comes from Crossway Press, you know, which has published a lot of good work over the years. And in the back, it is recommended by Philip Ryken, J.I. Packer, Warren Wiersbe, Vernon Grounds, Ray Stedman.

If you know anything about Ray Stedman, he was Chuck Swindoll's mentor. So, you know, a lot of people have recommended this book. It's a fantastic, fantastic book. Great resource.

We'll put a link to it in the in the show notes for this for this episode as well. You said you had three books. Yeah, so kind of a mention on the side, but I would like to cover them maybe at another time. Yes, absolutely. So over the years, I have always benefited from the example set by my dad and Nicole's dad in ministry. Learned a lot from them. But I also tried to find people who were worth following. And so I have read, you know, pastors of yesteryears of churches that were successful and still write on theologically and even evangelistically.

So I made sure that they were right there. And and so I have read books by pastors from the past and even from the present. One of them, just to kind of mention a side note, I read a book called The Reform Pastor, written by Richard Baxter. Richard Baxter was a Puritan. And he pastored a church and back in the, you know, 1600s, 1700s. And he pastored at a time when people in this town were not concerned about Christianity. In fact, it even says, he says it, that when I came to this town, you could walk down many streets.

And I'm kind of paraphrasing. You could walk down many streets and not find a single house that glorified God. Really?

Wow. And then when he left that town, he said, you could not go down a single street and not find some homes that glorified God. Amen.

It was just the opposite. You can find a single home that did not glorify God. What a powerful ministry. Now, theologically, there were some problems in his theology, a little bit of universalism coming in and things like that. But overall, great, great man of God.

So when I was in UK last week, I made a point to go to his church and stand in front of his statue and film a video. That's right. I also, I knew the name Richard Baxter sounded familiar to me. So you told me, I remember talking to Dr. Shaw. He was like, yeah, we're going to Richard Baxter. I was like, okay. So when you said it now, I knew I'd heard it somewhere, but I couldn't think of where. So I was like, hmm, okay.

Yeah. We made sure that we went by Richard Baxter's church. And this church is very interesting, if I can mention very quickly. It is in the town of, if I can find that very quickly, it's outside of Birmingham. And so again, not Birmingham as in Alabama, but Birmingham as in England. And so it's outside of Birmingham in a... Kidderminster? Kidderminster.

That's it? Kidderminster. Yeah. Wow.

Thank you for mentioning that. Kidderminster. So... In Worcestershire. Worcestershire. I don't know how to say it. Worcestershire. Like the sauce. Yeah, like the sauce.

I don't know how to say that either. Yeah. So anyways, I want to mention that book. It's a great, great book, The Reformed Pastor.

The Reformed Pastor. If you can read it, make sure you do that. Yeah, absolutely. We'll drop that in the show.

So Puritan author has some theological issues, but I would definitely recommend his work. Nice. Cool.

Reformed pastor. And I have one more... Yeah, please. ... to mention.

And this is one by an author who's still living, 92 years of age. Wow. Elmer Towns.

I don't know. That name sounds familiar to you. Yeah.

Elmer Towns was the founding dean of Liberty University. Okay. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. Jerry Falwell, back in the day, tapped him to come alongside and help him found Liberty University. And again, it was not just him. Is he related to John Maxwell at all?

Not my family, but like... John Maxwell considers him as one of his mentors. Gotcha. Okay. Oh, wow. Cool. Elmer Towns wrote a book, and this book came out in 1997.

And I bought this book back in the early 2000s, I would say, like 2001 or 2002. And it's called Stories About My First Church. Wow. I like that. And it says... Some of the titles are like on his title page, Who Stole the Bride? Let's Paint the Church in One Day, There's No Toilet Paper, The Man Who Saw Jesus, and other stories about God's grace and guidance in the life of a young pastor.

Wow. So I was going to ask, do you think you'd ever write a book like that? But I mean, at the same time, your first church is still... You're still here. This has only been your first and only church, right? Well... Is that the same with Elmer Towns? Well, the thing about this is each of those chapters are not just stories. They're powerful principles. Powerful principles. So he could not have written that when he was 19 years old writing Stories About My First Church. This had to be in his... When he wrote this book, it was probably in his 70s. Wow. Because now he's 92.

So in 1997, he would have been probably in his late 60s. Yeah, that's a good point. So here's a couple of chapters. First chapter is the key to my first pastorate. An unusual call to an unusual candidate to pastor an unusual church, all because five ladies had the key. They're like, I want to read that chapter. Chapter number two, painting the whole church in a whole day.

Good luck. Not understanding the principles of leadership and organization, I backed into a successful project. I can't imagine so. Number three, dropping rocks on the casket. Uh-oh. Subtitle of that chapter, Scared and Fumbling, the Mistakes at My First Funeral Became the Basis for Evangelism. Jeez.

Wow. You never dropped rocks on a casket, did you? Well, I've done other things at a funeral. My very first funeral, and maybe we'll hold the rest for another time, very first funeral, not I've been in a funeral before, it was my father-in-law's funeral, but very first funeral that I was doing, I get there. And I get there like five, 10 minutes before the funeral service, which is a mistake. You should get there good 45 minutes early because there are a lot of things to do, talk to the family, talk to the funeral director, all those things. I didn't think about that.

I'm like, they just want me to preach. I'll be there 10 minutes early. That's plenty of time.

Big mistake. I get there. By this time, there's nobody in the lines or in the viewing area because they've all moved into the chapel. So I'm like, where is everybody? And there was this one lone funeral director guy standing there. He's like, hey, are you Pastor Shaw?

I'm like, yes, that's me. Oh, great. Great.

Okay. So your viewing is over and the family's in the chapel. And if you want to go ahead and go ahead and take your seat in the back, that'd be great. So I'm like, oh, take a seat in the back. In the back.

Yeah. I just thought about that. It seems odd. So I'm like back of the church, like in the back pew. And they're going to bring me up.

I'm like, that's not possible. So I walked in, I saw the people. I'm like, wow, everybody's sitting down and the family is not there, but I guess they're in a room and they're going to walk in. Okay.

All right. No, I'm not supposed to be sitting here. And then somebody said, oh yeah, you're supposed to be in the back. I'm like, oh, back of. Like backstage. Backstage. So I'll go to the back.

What he meant was go in the back and come in and sit in the pulpit. So I'm in this back room. Alone?

Alone. And I can see the door from which you can walk in and walk into the pulpit. So I'm like sitting there. I guess somebody's going to come and tell me to go in. I don't just, I'm not going to randomly walk in there and be like, Hey guys. Oh, here I am.

Yeah. So I'm, I'm sitting there and then finally I can hear a whisper as the piano is playing. Where is the preacher? Oh no.

I don't know. I was like, oh no, they're waiting on me. How old are you at this point? I was probably 24. So I walked in and the family had already come in by now and they were sitting down. Oh no. Cause I'm supposed to be the one up there. And then saying, let's stand up together that I'm dancing around in the back. So for context, for context, you're 24, you've been in America, just a small number of years and only been to one funeral.

Cause I'm assuming that funerals overseas are much different. Yeah. Anyways, I have my stories too.

Yeah. I would love to see like letters to a young pastor by Dr. Abbadon. I would love to see that. We get to benefit from those stories, but I mean that man, that would be, that would be a game changer. And that would be, it would be cool.

Like letters to my, like letters to my younger self. You know what I mean? That would be good. That would be cool.

Let's patent that before anybody jumps on. Write that down quick. Yeah.

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