CGR THURSDAY 072723 Lipton Matthews

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I've had major issues today with the computer. Welcome, Lipton Matthews, to the program. Great to have you with me. Thanks for being here. Hello.

It's great to be here. And Lipton is a researcher, a business analyst, and a contributor to Marion West, the Federalist, American Thinker, Intellectual Takeout, Mises.org, and Imaginative Conservative. He also has a YouTube channel. Tell folks where they can find you on YouTube. Well, the channel's name is Lipton Matthews, so it's an eponymous channel. The channel is named after me. Okay. Very good. And do you have a Twitter handle or are you...

Yes, yes. Lipton Matthews. You know, Twitter must be blocking you. I looked, I tried to find you, Lipton Matthews, on Twitter and it wouldn't let me.

Really? Yes, sir. I was trying to tag you and I tweeted out about our program today and I went and opened up Lipton and looked for Lipton Matthews in the Twitterverse and it did not find you.

I know because I saw your other posts of people like John. Yes. And I had typed in Lipton Matthews and it, yep, I've typed it in now. It gives me a Bruce Lipton, a Lipton T, and an Eric Lipton. No Lipton Matthews. Okay.

Is that terrible? Ah, here. Okay.

Now, is it perhaps under Matthews Lipton? Yes. Okay. Adam Smith?

Adam Smith, no. Oh, that's my face on Twitter. Oh, yes. Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I follow. Yeah.

And it's, yeah, it's Matthews Lipton, at Matthews Lipton. I've got it now. Well, welcome board. Anyway, great to have you with me. Thanks for being here. Okay.

Great to be here. So let's get into our subject matter for today. And we're going to talk about what makes a difference between a rich country and a poor country. And part of the argument that you make is that it's really predicated in part on some of the cultural norms that a country embraces. Is that correct?

Yes. So what are some of the cultural norms that differentiate between a poor country and a wealthy and a more prosperous nation? Prosperous nations place a premium on time. Time is crucial to economic development. Carlos Cipolla, the late economist, wrote a book on the link between time and development.

And these assertions have been proven by 21st century research. So if you take time seriously, you will not only show up to work on time, but you're going to measure output properly. So when you place a premium on time that prevents one from wasting resources and future money. We care about time because of our emphasis on the future. So time cultures are more productive and successful than event cultures.

So time, you can never underestimate time. It's just like the clock. Western Europeans improved the mechanical clock.

China had various clocks, but the Chinese did not use the clock to measure time. It's interesting you make mention of that. There's a lot of viral memes and reels and so on going out right now of young people that are complaining, that are actually pushing back and saying, well, showing up for work on time should not be mandatory. It shouldn't be something that we should have to do.

We should be able to just show up whenever we show up because, you know, stuff happens. Well, those young people are expressing this view because they are a product of their culture. They live in a culture that does not place a serious value on the proper work ethic. So if you are, well, obviously you're older than some of us, or at least like myself, but if you were going to work in the 1950s or the 1940s, it was evident that work was a place where one would cooperate with his colleagues, improve his own future and that of the company and the country. Work was not a fashion show. Today we have a different perception of work.

Work ought to be fun. We ought to have work-life balance. But somebody below 30 can't really afford work-life balance. From 25 to 135, you're building your career. So some people do get married, but you can't afford work-life balance in the sense of the vacation and the parties.

If you get married, you invest in your spouse and your children. So I'm not assuming I know that too many young people today don't know what's important. Work is not a fashion show. It's just like school. School is not a fashion show. So today in Jamaica, there's a big problem about the school attire and hairstyles.

Some people have a problem with the hairstyles allowed at school, and they want a hairstyle that's more flamboyant. But the purpose of going to school is to acquire human capital, civic virtue. Schools can be fun, but a school is not a fashion show.

So we have the wrong priorities today. Well, and I would agree that you can enjoy your work. I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying what you do, but you've got to be committed to it. I remember years ago managing a fast food restaurant, knowing that those young employees were not going to work for me forever. But my bargain with them was, I'm going to teach you the value of work. I'm going to teach you the value of hard work and of the benefits that are associated with that to build in good patterns and good habits. And it's interesting because nearly 40 years later, I ran into someone that lived in that community and went to the high school there. And when she found out that I had been the manager at that restaurant, she said, you know what? Everybody in my senior class wanted to work for you. Great. And again, it's your building in.

And I don't say that to try to pat myself or give myself an attaboy. What I'm trying to suggest is to agree with you that work is, you know, you get back what you pour in. The Bible says, if you're not going to work, you're not going to eat. Work ethic is super important. So there, a book was written several decades ago, comparing the performance of East Asian countries, that of countries in Latin America. And the author noted that in East Asian countries, workers were more productive and efficient. So manufacturing revolution was more successful than the manufacturing revolution in Latin America. So efficiency and productivity are super important for countries interested in joining the elite rank of successful nations. And East Asian countries value time.

Yeah. Well, would you also suggest that it has to do with how you value or see yourself? Because I think that, you know, in America right now, one of the problems that I think we have is that we're not teaching our young people that their life has value, that they have value. There's no sense of intrinsic sense of, yes, I have a value and I can create value by engaging with my value. Does that make sense?

Am I making sense? Entrepreneurship is also a cognitive function. So how the entrepreneur perceived himself is crucial to his success. Entrepreneurs are intrinsically motivated. They're quite high in self-confidence.

They overate variabilities. The entrepreneur perceives himself as an important person, somebody of value. And I am agreeing with you because today in America, the assumption is that America is not a great nation.

It was forged in slavery and white people are wicked and Americans are wicked, when in reality America is a commercial republic like the UK. People go to countries like America and the UK to make it big. If you cannot make it in your country, you're more likely to make it in America or the UK because these countries have the institutions and culture to promote development, so being work-oriented. So in some countries, people live to work, others work to live. Work is essential to the identity of the American worker, or at least this is what we were told, that Americans are productive, they work hard, they value working more than 60 hours a week and bragging about it. And even up to recently, American manufacturing was cited as being more productive than manufacturing in China. But today, unless you're listening to some republicans, people don't celebrate American greatness anymore.

No, no, no. Unfortunately, that's true. And if you're a Christian and you're touting, you know, American greatness, then they call you a Christian nationalist and somehow that's supposed to be bad because, yeah, that's right.

Let me see. God said that I am going to create nations through you to Abraham, but I guess that's a bad thing. Perfect example. America ranks number one on the human, not the human capital index, but there's another index that measuring the ability of countries to actualize potential. I am on my computer right now, so I have to get the correct name, human capital index by INSEAD. It's really important. This index is measuring the ability of people to commercialize resources and ideas.

America ranks number one, and this is a significant point because even though compared to other developed countries, the American education system at the secondary level is not as exceptional. What really matters for economic development is the ability of people to commercialize their ideas and talents. They bring the product to market. So recently, Johnny Depp had a court case and some talented Americans decided that they were going to report on the case and some of them became quite successful.

Once I read a story about a girl, she found a chip that looked really weird and she went online and she sold it. So Americans know how to make money. And that's what's really important for economic growth, the ability to commercialize your ideas, to bring them to market.

You can't just dream, you have to act and execute. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And that brings you back to the time issue as well because you need to spend your time well and timing is important. That young lady that took advantage of that did it because she was able to quickly bring that piece to market during a time when that piece had a demand on it. Yes. And it was just like a chip. I don't remember the type of chip, but it was a snack and it looked weird and she said, okay, I'm going to make the best out of an awkward situation. And that's what she did. It's just like that woman who makes her money photoshopping dogs online. Americans really know how to turn a dumb idea into a multi-billion dollar idea or the concept of a reality TV show or a family reality TV show. These things are really uniquely American.

They exist in other countries, but they don't scale as efficiently as they do in the States. Interesting. Interesting. And your suggestion is that that really has a lot to do with the environment that exists in America.

Yeah. So Americans are not only the most individualistic people in the world, but they are risk-takers and it's a commercial republic. So America is designed to do business. If an entrepreneur in America assumes that the government is violating its economic rights, its right to economic freedom, that matter will be adjudicated in the court. So in the United States, if you discover mineral deposits, you own it. You own the deposit of mineral. It's not owned by the state. This is also uniquely American. So it's a commercial republic. Very interesting.

Very interesting. Now, now you live in Haiti, is that correct? No, no. I live in Jamaica, not Haiti.

Where did you get that? I'm so sorry. My apologies. Oh my goodness.

Okay. In, in, in Jamaica, you guys, I used to, there's a, was a Jamaican restaurant in, in Modesto that I used to go to and they had a, like a, um, it was like a meat inside of a, uh, of a, uh, it's called a patty. You're referring to a patty. Yeah. I believe, I believe that's correct.

I believe that's correct. There are different types of patties. There are the, there are the cheese patty, chicken patty, there are the dirt chicken patty, there is a pork patty and there is a mutton patty, a curry goat patty. So curry goat mutton is really popular in Jamaica and never know. So the curry goat patty, that's really good.

So you're referring to the Jamaican patty similar to the Mexican empanada. Yeah. Similar to that. Yeah. Very similar to that. Those were delicious. And then Ossobuco.

Repeat what you just said. I think it was Ossobuco or I don't know what's the, the, um, is it oxen? Oxtail? Are you talking about Oxtail? Yes. Oxtail. Yes.

Yes. That's also delicious in Jamaica. Jamaicans know to cook.

You can give that to them. Jamaica is a beautiful country with great food, but beyond the food and entertainment, not much is going on, but it has good food. Great food. And, and, and yeah, and the steel drums. Yeah.

The steel pans. Yes. Great entertainment. Yes.

Yes. That's a problem. No country scales by being funny.

Like it's good to entertain people. There's Hollywood and Hollywood is a brilliant American innovation, but a country won't scale by producing entertainers. Well, yeah, you can, you can scale a restaurant though. That, that works. That works pretty good.

There you go. So marijuana, it is said Jamaica is the best marijuana in the world, but the best marijuana markets are not in the Caribbean. Germany is a major marijuana economy. Why is Germany so successful? Because the Germans have an advantage in entrepreneurship and engineering.

And I mentioned engineering because engineering is about designing and efficiency and executing. So if you don't have a history of executing, doesn't matter how great the product is, you're not going to scale. So the Germans are scaling. The Americans are not scaling as they should because of taxation. Americans are destroying the marijuana sector with taxes and regulation. That's why Americans are not scaling as they should.

Yeah. The marijuana debate is, is, is, is an interesting debate because there, there, there are, there are some other medical and scientific issues that have also been identified. There's benefits and then there's also, you know, with, with the THC, there's some, there's some drawbacks as well. But drugs, marijuana induces psychosis in some people, but there are many drugs more dangerous than marijuana.

I don't do, I don't do drugs any at all, but there's many drugs more dangerous than marijuana. It's that, that now, now right here at the very end of our interview, you've brought up a very interesting conversation that could take us a whole nother half hour to talk out. Lipton, I greatly appreciate it. You're one of your big articles. There were a couple of them that drew my attention and I just want to encourage folks to go to MISES.org forward slash profile forward slash Lipton Matthews.

Just do a search for Lipton Matthews at MISES and you will find him there. Want to follow your dreams? The first step involved hard work, Belgian colonialism of the Congo facts versus fiction and cultural changes necessary for capital development. Those are three of your, your most recent articles.

And, and I would encourage folks to read all three of those. All right, great short interview. I was expecting us to speak for a little longer, but it's okay. Well, I apologize. And part of the reason for that was, is that I got you trapped over there in that, in that, in that silly waiting room or zoom got you trapped in the waiting room. I'm not even sure how exactly they ended up putting you over there. It was, it was very strange when I logged into zoom, my camera didn't work either initially. It didn't, it didn't want to turn my camera on and it didn't want to turn your camera on, which both of those I are in the settings are set to on.

So I have no idea why zoom decided to change all of our settings and our conversation. And I apologize for that. Uh, next time I bring you on, we'll we, we will get the full half hour. Great. All right. Bye. All right. Thank you.

God bless you. Bye bye now. All right, folks. Uh, my, again, uh, part of the reason we, we have to, uh, cut that piece short is because we are headed over to India.

And, uh, if I'm not mistaken, I believe they are going to be waiting on us. I'll tell you my, I had to go in because my computer was telling me that I had some kind of viral thing going on on the computer. And so it, it, it forced me to have to do a complete restart yesterday. And when I did the restart, I got onto the system this morning at six o'clock, a little before six and nothing worked.

I mean, literally nothing worked and I had to, uh, reinstall and pieces. And, and I mean, it was just an absolute mess. In fact, I'm hoping. Yep. Okay, good.

Uh, absolute mess. So my, my apologies, uh, you know, technology's glorious when it works and, uh, and, and stinks to high heaven when it doesn't, uh, give me just a minute here to get, uh, get pastor Samuel on the program. And, uh, and we will, uh, we'll make that happen. So we're going to take a very, uh, very short break.

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Okay. So I think that my voice is being heard, but I don't know. Are you hearing me, Pastor Samuel? Can you hear me? Hello?

Hello? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Hello?

Hello? Can you hear me? I don't know if he can hear me or not. It doesn't sound like he can hear me.

Obviously, we can hear them. All right. So I'm going to hang up and we'll call back.

Can you hear me? Okay. There we go. Let me, there we go.

And we are, they'll call us when the service is ready to start. Uh, in the meantime, all right. Okay. Are you ready? Are you ready? You're not ready. Are you ready? Okay. All right.

They're not quite ready yet. So when they're ready, then he can call me back and we will, uh, reconnect. Uh, in the meantime, couple of quick things. Been an interesting program today. I apologize.

A lot of, uh, a lot of technical issues going on. Okay. All right. I believe we are ready. Hallelujah. Let's give it another great big shout. Hallelujah. I want to thank all of you for coming out tonight. I'm very much looking forward to spending this time with you.