Welcome to Chosen Generation with your host, Pastor Greg Young.
No topic is off limits, and everything is filtered through Biblical classes. And now, here's your host, Pastor Greg. And welcome to the program. Great to have you with me.
Thanks so much for being here. I know you have a choice of where you can listen each and every day. And I thank you for keeping it tuned here to Chosen Generation Radio, hour number two. Hour number two.
Man, if you missed any part of hour number one, oh my goodness, I'm telling you. Well, you can go to the website, chosengenerationradio.com. Go to chosengenerationradio.com. And all you need to do is go to the listen page, and we'll have hour one up later on this afternoon. You can check it out there in the podcast form. iHeart, iTunes, TuneIn, Spotify, Deezer, I don't know, whoever.
There's a bunch of them there. Or you can just watch it right there on the site, chosengenerationradio.com, on listen and click. Or follow me on Spreaker, and you'll get it as well. So Dr. Judy Mikovits was with me. We talked about the origin of this new strain, which is not a new strain.
It's an old strain, and Judy identifies that for us and talks about it. We talked about the number of lives that were lost and the liability that you never heard about. Informed consent? Nah, you never really got that.
If you took the vaccine, and you signed an informed consent, and you went on about your business saying, well, I've been informed, you haven't, because I don't think they told you about the 1200 people that died, or the 40, or the 24,000 others that were negatively, 42,000 that were adversely affected, or the thousands that had cardio issues, strokes, hemorrhages, and neurological problems, and the fact that that stuff is lying dormant right now but waiting for an opportunity to attack your body in either your liver or, if you're a woman, in your ovaries. Not a good thing. So we talked about that, Dr. Judy. Jonathan Emwort and I got into January 6th and the Fourth and Fifth Amendment violations that took place, and how this committee is nothing but a sham and just a political theater, and there's just no truth to what they'll talk to you about. But you need to listen to it to get all the information and why you need to get the book, The Authoritarian, which is a history of, well, how they've assaulted us when it comes to individual liberty, the Constitution, and free enterprise, starting in the 19th century, by the way.
They've been doing this for a long time. All right, I want to get to my guest. He is the author of From Queer to Christ. He's a very dear friend, and I am very pleased to welcome him to the program. He spent 25 years in the lifestyle of homosexuality and writes about that experience, and he is also the son of a pastor whose life we honor, by the way.
And he is someone who is, he scares the church because he is a living testimony to the lies of what many of them are claiming. And I want to welcome George Carneal to the program. How's that for an introduction, George? I loved it, Greg.
You can be my publicist. Thank you for having me on the show. My pleasure, my friend.
My pleasure. Well, you know, I'm just, I'm going to say it again. But look, there is nothing to be proud about two men on a float, naked, putting their throbbing members into each other's cabooses while being led down the street by a little boy dressed up to look like a girl. I'm sorry, but no, I'm not sorry.
There's, George, there's not anything about that scene, and I am not, am I over-exaggerating? No, I will tell you there are actually gays and lesbians who are fair-minded, who resent the way the LGBT community is represented in the gay pride parades because they pull out all of the freaks. And a lot of the gays and lesbians who do try to lead decent lives and dress normal, and they want the kids to be left alone, they absolutely detest this perversion, and they resent the agenda that's being pushed.
They do want the kids alone, and there are even drag queens speaking out about it. And these are gays and lesbians who aren't even religious, so even they have enough common sense and enough of, I think, some morals and values in spite of being in the lifestyle to understand what's going on, and it is disgusting, and it needs to be stopped. How important, you and I have talked about this before, but how important is it, I mean, the church obviously needs to reach, you know, just like everyone, the church needs to reach people with the message of the gospel, but how important is it that the church is not compromising on this message? It's important that what a lot of Christians will do, and maybe their intentions are good, but they will use the Bible to beat the LGBT individual down, but they don't give any hope to that individual. It's one thing to present the gospel in love and say, yes, this is what God's word has to say about homosexuality, and it is an abomination, but here is the hope that we have in Christ and how you can change. God has done it in my life and so many others.
It doesn't necessarily mean you have to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex now. There are still healing issues in my own life and the lives of many others who have gone through severe trauma, pain, and suffering. Those issues must be dealt with, but God is in the healing business, and regardless of whether or not you are still same sex attracted or not, the point is to live a life of holiness and to please God and to do what his will is. So there is hope that the Christians must address this issue in love, but give that individual hope and welcome these individuals into the church and walk with them on this journey as they walk out of that life. In the same way, I mean, that's what we are instructed to do, you know, when we see the word of God says, you know, when you see someone stumble and fall, help them in a spirit of meekness, right?
Lest you also would stumble and fall. I mean, that is a biblical principle, but it doesn't mean standing in the front of the church and saying, we are now going to be homosexual affirming and we're going to say that, oh, the lifestyle is fine, everything is fine and perform gay weddings at the front of the church. And this is my issue, George, when everybody talks about the abortion issue and I am pro-life, 100% pro-life, life begins at conception. But they're not performing abortions at the front of the church yet on the altar.
They are performing abominations when they say that they are blessing the sodomite actions of two men with a ceremony, and that ceremony happens at the altar at the front of the church. There's no fear of God. That's the issue. There's just no fear of God anymore. Say that again. That's heavy. There's no fear of God where we are in this world today. Wow.
Wow. Boy, that won't get you invited to a Sunday morning service. They hate me already, so what's one more church? That's why George and I don't get invited to preach at churches in America because of the fact that we just tell it the way that it is. You're right.
They don't fear God. You know, I've said this for years. I'm going to get myself in trouble now, but that's all right. I always do this. But George knows.
I've said this for years. If we had some Ananias and Sapphira moments in churches across the country, people would actually come back to God. If there were some people that just, you know, were going up front to give their little offering, but they were just not right.
I mean, not right. And they dropped dead right there in the front of the church. And you knew it was God that snatched their spirit.
Man, I don't know. I think that might wake people up. But you know what? There was a conversation. As I say that, I hear the Holy Spirit saying, yeah, but remember the conversation where they were talking about, you know, if a man would just come back from the dead, then everybody would believe. Remember that one?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, because if people start dropping dead at the front of the church, they'll just say, oh, it's a heart attack. Or they'll just find some other reason to dismiss the work of God.
Because as you know, Greg, people are people who don't want to hear the truth. They're always going to find a way to just justify their sin and their wickedness. I don't, again, like I say, there's just no fear of God and they don't think about eternity and they don't realize the horror of hell. And people just act like they're going to stand before God and bat their eyes and look all cute. And he's just going to love on them and just let everything go. And sadly, a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening on Judgment Day. They confuse love with salvation is in part what I think it is. There's this idea, well, God loves everyone.
Well, yes, he does. But you know what? When I've raised five kids now, when my children were being disobedient and I had to paddle them. And I had to, you know, put a weapon on them because I needed to get them headed in the right direction.
I didn't hate them when I was putting a weapon on them and they knew that and they get their weapon. And then they get their loving because they knew that dad whipped them because he loved them. And that's what scripture says. He says, I will chastise those just like a father chastises his son in because I love him.
And know this, if I'm not chastising you when you do something you shouldn't do, when you don't have guilt, when you don't have conviction, when you just walk on in your sin, you better understand that God has basically said, OK, I'm going to turn you over. Just like Paul says about the man who's having sex with his father's wife, which obviously means that the father was divorced. Because otherwise it would be he's having sex with his mother. So it's he's having sex with his father's wife. He's a divorcee. And that's a whole nother issue. And then in addition to that, he shouldn't be doing that because it's his father's wife.
And what does Paul tell them to do? Put them out. Put them out. You've you tell them if they refuse to stop.
Hugging them and patting them on the back and telling them, oh, that's good. No problem. Don't worry about it. No, you discipline them accordingly.
Now you start out with I'm going to walk through. Man, I did this. I had a young man that came to my church in California that was a homosexual. We did. He wanted help.
We did deliverance ministry. And then he had a guy that was abusive. They would get drunk and he would rape him. And and he finally called me and he said, I can't get loose to this. And myself and another guy from the church went over there and we physically removed that man from the situation. The bad guy.
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I am Patriot Mobile. Welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. George, you know, when we talk about this, and I was telling you what I did, so we literally took this young man and we said, you got to get out of here. Because this other young man that we were ministering to that was a part of our church, he don't want you here no more. He didn't want to do this anymore. And we took him put him in the car. And then as we were driving around, we said, Look, well, you know, we'll help you to we'll help you get straight. But you got to decide that you want to get straight.
Well, this and that and this and that and the other and we're like, well, that's on you. If you don't want help, then then I can't I can't help you. If you don't want help. Jesus stands at the door and knocks.
He didn't kick the door down and come in. You got to invite him. And so we were like, Where do you drop in? He's all drop me at my parents house. Okay. But you're gonna need to just drop me and you know, I have to sneak in because they they really don't like what I'm doing. I'm thinking well, no kidding. kidding.
You're destroying your life. But yeah, they don't really like that. So anyway, but but the young man that we helped, that was almost 15 years ago, and I know that today, he is living right and living straight and and and, you know, and and doing well. But that's which can go ahead. I was gonna say which confirms if Christians would just be patient, but still work with these people walk with them on this journey. Still tell them the truth and love and not affirm the sin. There is hope God is he's there he really is there to help us and to heal us and he's done it my life and the life of so many others. There is hope in Christ and truth in love. That's it.
That's it. It's a it's a very, you know, misunderstood statement. To share the truth in love is a missile is a is a is a very misunderstood statement. And let me see if I can. Yeah, here we go. It's it's Ephesians chapter four, verse 15 is is where you actually find that particular scripture. And it says now that he ascended Okay, so so it's talking about Christ in his his descent and his ascension. Wherewith he said when he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive and gave gifts and demand that by the way, that's the Holy Spirit and those are the gifts of the Spirit.
Okay. Very important to understand that he gave those to all of us. And yes, therefore today, now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fill all things. And he gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors, and teachers for what purpose for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man, under the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
Whoa, wait, what? That's happening here, in the here in the now, apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are for the purpose of perfecting the saints, edifying the body of Christ in the here and now, till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man under the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, that we hencefore be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the slight of hand and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceit. But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head even Christ. Wait a minute.
So we are actually going to get perfection. Now. I'm this look, read it. It's Ephesians chapter four. You can start at verse nine.
Read what the word of God says. Well, now, you know, now you're all arrogant. Right, George?
Isn't that what they say? Well, now you're arrogant. Well, nobody can be perfect.
Exactly. But Craig, may I say to the Christians, because I don't know how much time we have left. If I didn't have Christians in my life who loved me enough to speak the truth to me when God, when that passage of scripture Greg was just reading, talked about knowledge, I had to have the knowledge, the seed needed to be planted. It may have taken some time, but thank God I had Christians who loved me and treated me with respect and they love me enough to share the gospel.
It took some time, but I would might still be in that bondage. And it is not loving of you to not share with them the truth and to love them into hell. I would rather be offended. So when I talk to my gay friends, I don't care about them being offended. I love them enough to tell them the truth because I don't want my gay friends to go to hell. I want them to know that Jesus does love them. He hates the sin. He hates the sin of homosexuals and heterosexual, but he loves us. And they need to know that there is hope.
They need the truth. And he died so that that sin can be nailed to the cross. That's the perfection. That old nature is taken out and a divine nature is put in, in the here and in the now. And you can be free in the here and in the now. Christ has done the work.
And I'm telling you, when you get a hold of that, it will rock your world and change your life. I'm Pastor Greg, my good friend, George Carneo Jr. from Queer to Christ to hear the truth. My passion is the fight for freedom. My father fought for World War Two defending our country. Today, we are no longer fighting with guns.
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I am Patriot Mobile. And welcome back to Children's Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. Well, I'm very excited to welcome my next guest. This is her first time to be here on the program. And I always love, always love to meet new people. It's one of my favorite things about having done this the last 11 years is all the incredible people that I've had the privilege to get to meet. And I'm very honored to meet my next guest. She's a counselor, relationship coach and author living in Washington State, very brave living in Washington State.
She's been educated in the subject of partner abuse through academic study, personal experience being the target of abuse by a partner, and by talking to and working with many women and men who are abused by and or are abusing their partner. I want to welcome to the program, the author of abuse of men by women, and Silver's and welcome. Good to have you. Thanks. Thanks for having me.
It's my it's my sincere pleasure. It's my actually, you know, I'll tell you, my wife and I are watching actually, I think it was some weather in Oregon, they were having a bunch of rain, I forget what we were watching a sporting event of some sort. And, and she goes, Oh, I would really like to live out there where we used to live in California in the in the breadbasket of California. Now we live in Texas, and we enjoy it.
She's from Texas. But, you know, but we look at you know, some of the environment there and and there is just I mean, in Washington State, Oregon, beautiful states there. They really are is aesthetically beautiful states. They're lovely.
I, I get to look at the water and, and enjoy the trees and the nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's nice. Very nice.
Very nice. Well, so we had this, this trial thing going on. And with a couple of fairly famous people, you know, I mean, everybody I think knows Pirates of the Caribbean and, and, and some of the other I mean, he's he's played in a lot of films. And obviously, the gallery was full and outside the courthouse was full and everybody's had thoughts but talking about Johnny Depp and and Amber Heard. So let me let me begin by asking you a little bit about as as you did you were you watching it? Did you did you kind of pay pay some attention to it? Oh, so I watched almost the entire trial. Okay. I was doing a lot of commentary interviews. So I that was one of the reasons I need to keep up every day.
Absolutely. And but I started getting interested in the case, like last year. You could actually if you know, if you dug a bit, you could find all of the testimony and evidence that was presented in the 2020 case in the UK. And now was that word the restraining? Was that the restraining order piece?
Was that? Or No, you know, so you could find it. Yes, you could find evidence on the restraining order piece, which was the very beginning in 2016. Okay. And, and one of my blog posts that I created on my website and silvers.com was my investigation of all putting together all the evidence that was around that initiating event. And by initiating, I mean, getting it into the public eye. And to me, it was very convincing that when you looked at the evidence that Amber had created this illusion of the domestic violence from Johnny to just as as a way of abusing him.
I was just gonna say as as so so. So the ruse of that, if you will, was, was was a part of the abuse now. And I want to be very careful with that because she she won. Because the the the the attorney for Johnny Depp said that all of her whatever stuff that she was bringing was all fake and phony and and what have you.
He got sued as a part of this and the jury awarded her damages for him having made that made that statement. So so so they're not that's not quite it. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, please. Thank you for correcting me. I appreciate it, by the way.
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so part of it was Johnny one all the pieces that were her to saving him.
Okay. Now on the flip side, she counters to saying that, like you said, Johnny's attorney at the end of the UK case had publicly has said three statements in in at least two of them that the jury found were true. included Johnny's attorney saying Amber's accusations against Johnny were a hoax.
The jury found in that those were true. The one that they took exception to was the one in that entangles more people than Amber in the roof. So in that third statement, the attorney at Johnny's attorney had said that Johnny's attorney had said that Amber's friends were engaged in creating the false picture of the domestic violence, and also said that her attorney was involved in advising her to create the false story.
So that's the one they took exception to and I look at it like, so that one was not proven. Okay, so the jury did not feel that Johnny's side had met the burden of proving that her friends were involved in the lawyer was. Okay, but they did find it that she created a hoax. Amber created a hoax in the accusations against Johnny. And, and that, you know, you, you're you look at this and and Dr. Carol Lieberman was on with me as well.
And it was interesting because Dr. Carol said, you know, she was has been a forensic psychologist, testifier in trials and what have you. And she and her her, you know, read on it was Amber's line. And Amber, Amber is lying. Amber is not telling the truth. And, and, and there are tells that, you know, that she saw that as a part of that. And she just clearly was like, No, this is this is this is inaccurate. Now, your book and and what you're talking about, takes the next step in talking about how men are abused by women.
And not in every case, but but that's an issue that needs to be addressed. Is that also the because I look at our culture has demasculinized if I can use that word. I don't know if that's it. That's it.
Probably an English major would go. Yeah. But you know what, listen, we got all kinds of different, you know, different dictionaries these days for words that people make up. And then we put definitions with them and call me and we call it good. So there you go.
That's right. So I'm going with it, the demasculinization of men that's happening in our culture. And is that something that you think women have been manipulated maybe through different movements into attacking the male figure.
And so he's kind of lost and doesn't really know, is that is that part of the abuse? So I don't see it quite like that. Okay.
And I don't see it connected to that, that that emaculation happens first. And then that sets up a man to be abused. I think that being abused by a woman is a very emasculating experience for a man.
Sure. For many reasons. One is it doesn't fit with the cultural expectations for either the man or the woman. So it's very confusing for men.
And when they're inside these relationships, and they see, you know, they're not seeing until now, I really feel like this trial is a watershed moment where we're going to see historically, I think we're going to be able to look back and say, yeah, okay, the depth heard trial, that was the change. And, and it's because so many people have had their eyes open to the fact that women can and do abuse their male partners. And it's really, it's not connected to the masculinity of the, of the man who becomes the target of that abuse, other than it can be emaculate. Right. Okay. So so that so in other words, it's, it's, it's cause and effect, the the the emasculation, thank you for that word, by the way. The emasculation issue that that that we see is maybe finding its roots in how the man is is treated and the interaction that he has in the relationship. And that creates part of that process.
I think it's an effect, rather than a cause. Okay. Okay.
So I think it's really important to tweak it out, because I think that if we if we look at it as if an image, you know, a less than masculine male is going to be setting himself, himself up for being a target of an abusive woman, that just adds another layer of abuse onto the man experiencing. Right. Okay.
It's a victim blaming kind of approach. Ah, it's, in other words, it's guy, it's your fault, because you are emasculated. And therefore you let this happen to yourself. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay.
Interesting. All right. We got to take a quick break.
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Because the students that are falsely accused whose lives are forever damaged as a result of this issue. And and and so it's it's really a it's a very serious situation. All right. And thank you. Thank you again for being here. I greatly appreciate it, by the way. Oh, thanks for having me.
Absolutely. So as as we were, as we were running into the break, man, I Oh, the me to meet you. Yeah, we were talking about so. So talk to me about that.
Michelle Owens, by the way, is the name of the attorney Michelle Owens. Okay, so give me give me some of your thoughts with regards to the pronunciation that the me to movement is is is now dead. I have said that, and I hope it's true. And I think that the me to movement that, well, I've been educated recently by someone that it's the woman who started it, it was not intended to turn into what it did. And what it did turn into was this absoluteness of believe all women. Which is ridiculous.
Absolute things are almost always wrong. And it's ridiculous to assume that just because anyone makes an accusation. You can't be ridiculous to assume it's true.
So we can certainly it'd be better to, okay, acknowledge, consider, wait for the evidence. It's sad. That's the case. And isn't it?
I mean, it's really sad, because, you know, it used to be, and this is a biblical principle. You need multiple witnesses. And that's why I think that the amber amber heard thing was so interesting, because the attorney attempted to accuse Amber's friends of being a part of a conspiracy. And of course, that was, you know, that was not that was not proven that they were a part of any kind of conspiracy. Okay, so it wasn't proven.
It also wasn't disproven. So from my perspective of looking at the case, I think they probably were involved. Some of them to some degree, of course, Amber has to be the one that that we look at as carrying the brunt of it. And her type of personality is able to kind of corrupt people around her. And all of those people who, you know, we suspect were involved in some of the pieces, especially that original 2016 accusation of domestic violence, that created the restraining order case, all of them now say they aren't her friend anymore, which would be, you know, we don't know if that's true.
Or if that was creating an illusion that they were speaking from a place of fairness, I don't know. It would fit with the personality, one of the personality disorders that one of the psychologists who testified diagnosed Amber diagnosed her as having borderline personality disorder. And one of one of the traits in that personality disorder is they run hot and cold. They adore you or they hate you. You're their best friend or you're dead to that. So it is entirely possible.
It is entirely possible that all these people are no longer her friend. And that you're either you're either all in or you're or you're or you're not in at all, but but but in a very unhealthy kind of a way. Yeah, yeah.
So that personality disorder could certainly treat someone if if they don't do everything that they're asked, then they could be. So I don't. Yeah, yeah, right. You're out of my life.
And several of these people were living free in Johnny's property. So so let's Yeah. So yeah, so what about that?
All right, let's let's let's shift back to the to the to a broader population. Yeah. And and and talk about, you know, are there things that a person can do in a courting process, perhaps, to identify that this is maybe an unhealthy situation?
And, and I need to not allow myself to get in it? Yeah, great question. So I think the very biggest thing is for the expansion of recognition, that women can be abusive. Okay, we set guys up. If if by as a culture, we're pretending this isn't even on the table. For me, then men don't even know to look for the red flags. Okay, so, and then some of the ways to look for the red flags is because part of it is, everybody puts their best foot forward when they're dating. But a more abusive person, a more manipulative person will make a much more exaggerated, good version of themselves.
That's not true. And then it's kind of like when you put a ring on it, then then their personality comes out and you're trapped. But I would, I would encourage men, if you feel like that happened, you know, get out then.
Yeah, it's, it's okay. Yeah, but but in the dating process, eyes wide open, don't ignore any red flags. And one of the things to look at is not only how do they treat you, but how do they treat other people?
Or how do they, how do they treat the people that you're that you're already close to? That I think, right? Isn't that an isn't? Wouldn't that be another another, you know, secret of, of, of, you know, identifying?
I mean, if they're not very kind to the people that you already care about that are a part of your life, and they try to isolate you, I mean, well, I think that's one of the Yeah, certainly, if they try to isolate you, so one man I worked with, when he was dating the woman who became his wife, who became his ex wife, she said to him, that Hang on, we're gonna we're gonna jump off. All right, I'll be back tomorrow. Hang on. Okay, we can we can continue for a couple more minutes, if you'd like. I have I have access on the rest of the network to do that. I just needed that one network has a hard has a hard stop. But no, go ahead.
Go ahead. You were saying so one one man Yeah, so one one. Yeah, one man, when he was dating his, his girlfriend came to him and said, so that time I had a few minutes alone with your best friend, he hit on me. So, the guy believes the girlfriend is becomes estranged from best friends, and was estranged from the best friend through his entire marriage to that woman. And in the end, realized, this woman created all kinds of stories like that, that over various false accusations, right, created estrangement between him and his family, him and his friends. And, and, and that is, you know, like you said, the isolation is one form of partner abuse.
And I suppose another one would be to sweep in and try to, you know, manipulate the friends to turn on that person and and try to recruit them for your team. So that can that can certainly happen. And one of the ways it can happen is in church community. And then we get into spiritual abuse, which is one form of partner abuse, which, which, which is gigantic. And it's and, and again, in each of these situations, you know, it the problem is, is that the opening of that door, then we start making assumptions like the me to movement, certain individuals then right there.
I mean, it was okay, so so, you know, anything that a guy does that I don't like, it falls under the me to or, yeah, or anything, it doesn't even have to be based in reality is right. He may have done nothing. He may have done something totally innocent, or just happened to meet the wrong person at the wrong time. He may have been a target of her abuse.
And and said no more. And then she continues the abuse through this extension of what we call administrative or legal abuse. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's, it's really, I mean, it, what it does is, is it it, it makes relationship that much more difficult. Right, by by creating all kinds of different thoughts and doubts and worries and concerns, not to suggest that we shouldn't be concerned about certain things or look out for things, but it sounds like it, it kind of piles on top of that. Yeah. And it's a very unfortunate reality.
Yeah. Well, and you know, as a pastor from as I look at, you know, and try to counsel folks, it you know, it's a most of the time, in some respect, it falls back on how do we view us? And what value do we place on ourselves?
So that that way, when we come into it, we don't come into a situation with a with a hole and try to get that a person to fill a hole that that people are not capable of filling. That makes sense. Well, that could be one setup. Okay. And there are many.
So there, there are many reasons why a person might stay in an abusive relationship, or get caught up in one. But that would be a long discussion, but it's in my book. There we go.
Hey, that was a nice sound. I like that. And so pick up the book, folks, Abuse of Men by Women, Abuse of Men by Women, by Ann Silvers. And you can pick that up again, if you want to help us out, you smile and pick the charity of faith, Harvest Church. And, and you'll help us out with that. But but definitely pick up that book. And, you know, a good thing to educate if you're, if you're a grandparent, you got grandkids that are getting to that age of, you know, looking at making a commitment.
Something, something to educate them and you about. And thank you very much for being here. You're welcome.
And then just a quick, just a quick thing. No E on Ann. No E on Ann. Not Ann Gable, right? Or Ann of Green Gables? I think that was it, right?
Yes. Yes, not Ann of Green Gables. So Ann without an E, Silvers, A-N-N, Silvers.
And the name of the book is Abuse of Men by Women. Ann, thanks for being with me today. I do appreciate it. You're welcome. Alright, God bless you. I appreciate being on. Yeah, thanks. Alright, folks, we're checking out, out of time, and we'll be back with you.
We got a program for you coming up tomorrow on Friday. Back after this. Did you call evil good and good evil? Did you forsake my love for that of another, lying with the adulterer and setting up a new idol in your life? Have you defiled yourself through compromise and tolerance of that which I call an abomination? Have you innocent blood on your hands for the children murdered on your watch and the young ones perverted in their way by evil men seeking their own comfort and reviling me?
No. At the end of the day, I want him to simply say the evidence is in. Well done, thou good and faithful servant. I love my God and I love his creation, and I will go to my grave telling the world that evil is evil and only God is good, and Jesus came to save the world. That no matter the evil in the world, I will never give up, and in spite of the hate, I will love in truth. God bless you all, and may love remove the veil so you all might enter into his rest.
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