The Other Olympics, Nancy Pelosi, Without A Net, Duke & Duchess of Sussex

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I'm Tracy Smith, and this is Sunday morning. And never mind those Paris Olympics. We're taking you to the Big Island of Hawaii for a championship like none other. It's the decades-old Polynesian spectacle known as the Merry Monarch Festival, a hula competition.

And as Lee Cowan is about to make abundantly clear, it's anything but the same old song and dance. For centuries, it existed as a language all its own, but hula was nearly lost to history. When you're dancing, do you feel your ancestors with you? All the time. But there is a place where Hawaii's best-known tradition celebrates both the past and the future.

I like to say hula is the hardest sport there is. The majesty and mystery of a very merry monarch will explain later on Sunday morning. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, have been here in the United States for about four years now. And though their lineage is very much of another time, one of their biggest concerns is all about the here and now, as Jane Pauley discovered. Today, a different kind of encounter with Harry and Meghan. The spotlight not so much on them, but on parents dealing with the damage from social media. We've got to the stage where almost every parent needs to be a first responder.

And even the best first responders in the world wouldn't be able to tell the signs of possible suicide. I'm so, so happy you're here. Thank you. Ahead this Sunday morning, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is American old guard, and she's been in the news quite a lot over the past few weeks. Some saying she played a pivotal role in the campaign to convince President Joe Biden to step aside and give up his run for the White House.

In fact, House in favor of Vice President Kamala Harris. Needless to say, Lesley Stahl had plenty of questions for her when they sat down in Washington a few days ago. We didn't know if he would survive or how he would survive. For Nancy Pelosi, the wounds from the attack on her husband may never heal.

He was looking for me. Imagine the guilt of all of that. It's just a horrible thing. A candid talk with the most powerful speaker ever. God bless our great country. Did Donald Trump make a mistake when he chose J.D. Vance?

Oh, I think it was a great choice. Nancy Pelosi later on Sunday morning. Later this week, we mark an anniversary in the history of the presidency. It was on August 9th, 1974, 50 years ago, that President Richard Nixon resigned from office.

The only president to ever do so. We'll look back with John Dickerson. After which it's back to the present.

Kelefa Sanneh takes note of the music from the man they call Jelly Roll. Plus the latest on the return of those Americans freed by Russia and more. It's the first Sunday morning of a new month, August 4th, 2024. And we'll be back in a moment. already made the move to NetSuite.

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Guests here at the Waikoloa Beach Marriott were treated to it all. The performance, the pork, and the poi. And yet the tourist experience of this Polynesian spectacle can't really begin to capture the deep meaning behind each of those ancient movements. At its core, Hula is about story. Long before written language, Hula's chants were the living archives of a people's history and traditions. It's storytelling. It's Mo'olelo, which is storytelling in Hawaiian.

And it's a way for us to express all these stories from ancient times through moving our hips, moving our feet, through hand motions. Kiki Kamalei Kalohe Motu was born in Hilo on the windward side of the big island. Her twin passions, surfing and Hula, were both born in Hawaii. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Kiante Kamalei Kalohe Motu.

But this past year, Kiki put surfing aside to set her sights on a high stakes competition that some call the Olympics of Hula. Are you excited or nervous? Now I'm more excited than I'm nervous. I think I was.

I think a month ago if you asked me that, I would've said I was more nervous than excited. This is the Merry Monarch Festival. Every spring for the past 61 years. Two dozen or more of the best Hula schools from all around the world come here to Hilo to compete in two categories. There's traditional Hula and modern Hula. The whole town comes alive for the week-long celebration. There's a grand parade. There's Hawaiian crafts and Hawaiian food. But make no mistake, the Merry Monarch is less about a party and more about honoring Hula.

With the dignity and reverence it has so long been denied. Hula has certainly been through a lot. Cultural appropriation in movies and tacky dashboard decor were only the most recent indignities. When people would ask me what do you do, I wouldn't say I was a Hula teacher because nine times out of ten the response would be, oh you do the Hula, do you wear a grass skirt, over and over.

But I would say within the last decade or so there's been a shift. Patrick Makuakane grew up in Hawaii. He competed in the Merry Monarch himself in fact back in the day. He says interest in Hawaiian traditions is growing. He now teaches it in his own Hula, that's a Hula school in San Francisco. And for his decades-long effort to preserve Hawaiian culture, he was among the scientists and artists awarded the prestigious MacArthur Foundation Genius Grant last year.

Not bad. I know how important Hula is to my life and to the community in which I built and how transformative it is, but how did they come to understand that? Perhaps what they understood is that Hula might have been lost to history altogether.

For generations Christian missionaries called it a pagan ritual and banned its performance in public. It was the last reigning king of the Hawaiian kingdom, King Kalakaua, who brought the tradition back. And that earned him the nickname Merry Monarch. It's why he's so honored here. Gen Z Hawaiians like 18-year-old Tahani Kekuavela seem especially intent on living out their heritage.

As we act out those scenarios and stories of the past, we're also connecting to ancestors of Hawaii and of this place. I feel that power, that mana through the dance. That said, it's hardly easy. It takes a lot of work to look effortlessly beautiful on stage. Some of you guys look like you're half sleeping. Yeah, wake up. Welcome to practice. That's Tahani and Kiki's hula teacher.

Kasey Kaleohano is a hula master or kumahula in Hawaii. We don't care if you're tired. It cannot look like you're tired. She's tough like any mentor would be. In hula you are using all parts of your body and sometimes it will go slow and sometimes the beat will pick up and be quick. It is very physical.

It's a lot of up and down movement with my legs so my legs of course are always sore. Kiki is also competing solo for the title of Miss Aloha. Being by myself up there and knowing that I have to use the whole stage so even though it seems short it's when you're dancing it feels like forever. The fact that we were able to witness any of this was pretty remarkable. Kumah's are fiercely protective of their halau especially when outsiders like us come calling. I think there are parts of hula that are definitely very sacred and there are certain things that we don't talk about and we don't share because those are held for people who are practicing the tradition of hula. It took a little bit of convincing but we were finally permitted to see the real spirituality of hula like Kiki and Kasey offering a silent prayer of gratitude before picking the tropical treasures that would adorn their heads and necks during the competition.

Are they hard to find? I'm not on this island. The morning of the performance that support and that care continued. I know that we're going to keep going strong no matter how old we get no matter where we go we'll always have hula to come back to. Kiki and Tahani's halau did well but not well enough to win but that didn't seem to matter. What they had done was what has always been done on these islands honoring people and a place in ways that thankfully today now appear to be timeless.

Despite everything that's happened in our history I think it's definitely a statement to show how distinct and just amazing Hawaiians are. This episode is brought to you in part by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching save nearly $750 on average and auto customers qualify for an average of seven discounts.

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My husband and I have never talked about this. The doctors have supported that because they don't want him to revisit it. Because of the trauma of October 28, 2022 when a man broke into their house in San Francisco and hit Paul Pelosi then 82 in the head at least three times with a hammer.

Surgeons had to remove part of his skull to save his life. You were the intended target. He was looking for you.

He was looking for me. Imagine the guilt of all of that. It's just a horrible thing. Pelosi describes the horror in her new book. One of the most gripping moments in this chapter is when your daughter, a documentarian Alexandra, says to you, you have to give it up, she said to you yelling.

The speakership, Congress, everything in your public life. So did she blame you or? Well, I blame me. I mean, not blame me, I was the target. My family, frankly, blames certain elements of the Republican Party who had been demonizing me for about 20 years every election and the rest.

Cloven feet, horns on the head, a horrible person in flames, a devil and all of that. The sad thing about my husband's assault was that they just made a joke of it. And we'll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi who ruined San Francisco. How's her husband doing, by the way?

Anybody know? They thought it was funny and people laughed. So he was an instigator of violence and then made light of it. I've decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. That's the best way to unite our nation. There have been reports that it was Nancy Pelosi who orchestrated a coordinated effort to squeeze President Biden to drop out. Please tell us what you told President Biden to persuade him to step aside. Well, I've never shared any conversations with a president of the United States publicly, no. It's said that he's furious at you. Is he?

Well, he knows that I love him very much. I understand that you don't want to own this, but it is so well reported that you were the leader of a pressure campaign. No, I wasn't a leader of any pressure party. Well, let me say things that I didn't do. I didn't call one person.

I did not call one person. I could always say to him, I never called anybody. What I'm saying is I had confidence that the president would make the proper choice for our country, whatever that would be. And I said that, whatever that is, we'll go with. Had you seen a decline in Joe Biden and did you think he needed to step aside? No, my whole point was whatever he decides, but we have to have a more aggressive campaign. She mentioned his many accomplishments, including his forceful leadership of the NATO summit with other Western heads of state. So he was in a good place to make whatever decision, the top of his game, such a consequential president of the United States, a Mount Rushmore kind of president of the United States, want to know what comes next. Are you really saying that he belongs up there on Mount Rushmore? Lincoln and Joe Biden? But you've got Teddy Roosevelt up there and he's wonderful. I don't say take him down, but you can add Biden. We had big needs for our country. If there were a Mount Rushmore for speakers of the house, Nancy Pelosi would certainly be up there, commemorating her 20 years as a commanding leader in Congress.

Palm the table. Until she relinquished Democratic Party leadership a year ago. In The Art of Power, Pelosi, now 84, looks back at some of the battles she's most proud of.

This is not a memoir. There's certain episodes of our history that I played a major role in. So I wanted to write about that just to show my side of it, what happened in the room when we had it happen where I was. She wasn't just in the room. She was working the room, usually running it as during the financial bailout, COVID relief, the Affordable Care Act, We're coming for you, Nancy. And the dark day of January 6th. You in the book talk about hearing the crowd saying, Nancy, Nancy, we're coming for you, bitch, is what they said.

Yeah. And you knew what was happening that day was directed at you. And the vice president. It was an insurrection instigated by the president of the United States. He now tries to disassociate himself from it, blaming it on me and everybody else. But that's the way he is. This was instigated by him. This is a quote out of your book.

Yeah. Because Trump was saying he was going to march to the Capitol. You said, if he comes, I'm going to punch him out.

That's right. For trespassing on the Capitol grounds, I'm going to punch him out and I'm going to go to jail and I'm going to be happy. I knew that I would have to pay a price to go to jail, but I would be happy to do that. Pelosi is now turning her toughness to defeating Donald Trump. He has been the best organizer and fundraiser for the Democrats because people know he should never set foot again in the White House, never should have and shouldn't again. I pledge to every American, no matter your party, I will give you everything I have. Did Donald Trump make a mistake when he chose J.D. Vance?

Oh, I think it was a great choice. And are we ready to fight for it? And when we fight, we win. So what is your bit of advice for Kamala Harris on how to run this campaign against Donald Trump? Does she instigate a fight?

Does she bait him? Let me just say this. And this is what I tell everybody all the time. Just be yourself. It's the same advice I give to women.

Be yourself. The opposition, the Trump people and he and J.D. Vance are trying to portray Kamala Harris as being weird. She's a radical left wing San Francisco crazy lady. She's weird and she's nuts. She's crazy. She's nuts. She's not as crazy as Nancy Pelosi. Crazy Nancy. Well, the thing is, is that there's no question that they understand I make people laugh at them. And that's what they don't like is to be laughed at.

On the other hand, what I have always said about Trump and now I don't know that much about Vance, but what we do know is menacing. She was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black.

And now she wants to be known as black. So what should she say? Just talk about kitchen table issues. Ignore him.

Ignore him. Turn around and just look at it. It's so beautiful from this side. You never see this side. Yeah, it's gorgeous.

It's beautiful. No longer part of the leadership in the House, Pelosi is still running for reelection for her seat from San Francisco. Were you ever asked to run for president? I haven't been asked, but I was encouraged to put my name in there sometime for vice president. So why would I want to be vice president? I'm a legislator. I love legislating. People have to understand it's a serious work. I mean, you really have to, you have to listen. What is the judgment you bring as to what priorities can prevail? What is your strategy to get it done? It's constant.

It's constant. And it's being respectful of all kinds of points of view, inside maneuvering, outside mobilization. It's great.

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A rare happy ending, Seth Doan tells us, that few saw coming. That emotional homecoming was the result of intricate secret negotiations, which the White House called a feat of diplomacy. Among the Americans who were unjustly imprisoned in Russia and returning home were Paul Wieland, the veteran U.S. Marine, and Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gurskovich, already advocating for other detainees. Basically everybody I sat with is a political prisoner and nobody knows them publicly.

As many as seven wrongfully detained Americans were left behind, including teacher Mark Fogle, sentenced to 14 years for carrying medical marijuana. But the family of Alsu Kermashova, a reporter with Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty, got to embrace her on U.S. soil. It was important to celebrate the return of our fellow Americans, but also having been involved in these matters for as long as I have been, I know the serious side of this. John Sullivan, CBS News contributor, was once the U.S. ambassador to Russia. Does this prisoner exchange give up something greater?

Absolutely. It just reinforces the value of the Russian government detaining wrongfully Americans in Russia to use for trades like this. In all, 16 political prisoners were released from detention in Russia and Belarus in exchange for eight Russians held in five other countries. They stepped up.

They took a chance. President Biden hailed the multinational cooperation. Germany may have made the biggest sacrifice, freeing Vadim Krasikov, a convicted assassin working for the Russian state. He was given a hero's welcome by the Russian president himself. Putin can say with some accuracy, we take care of our own. If I send you to Berlin to murder someone, I won't leave you stuck there. I'll get you home.

As diplomats worked in secret, it was often up to family members, colleagues and friends to keep the names and stories of those being held very much in the public eye. Paul Whelan's family pushed for his freedom for more than five years. Yeah, I'm glad I'm home.

Yeah, I'm never going back there again. The Wall Street Journal kept Evan Gurskovich's story in the headlines. She tries to stay positive. And we traveled to Prague in January to find the outpouring of support to free Alsu Kormasheva, led by her husband, Pavel Butoren. I need to keep it together.

I don't want emotion to get involved. Early Thursday, they were among the families summoned to the White House for that surprise announcement. We're anywhere in the Oval Office. Yeah.

Love you so much. Bye, see you soon. Kormasheva and her fellow freed Americans are now decompressing at a San Antonio military hospital. How do you stop someone like Putin from making a business out of this? Capturing, throwing in jail Americans to get what he wants down the road?

Well, it's extremely difficult. My concern now is that other countries are going to see what the Russians have been able to do. So this is becoming not just a Russian problem, it's a global problem. Most Americans think they spend about $62 per month on subscriptions. But get this, the real number is closer to $300.

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May God's grace be with you in all the days ahead. And so Richard Milhous Nixon has resigned as the 37th President of the United States. It was Nixon's decision to leave office, but he had little choice.

There was near total agreement in both parties that he had committed some or all of what he was accused of. Abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and contempt of Congress. 50 years later, would the same thing happen in today's political climate? I really find it hard to believe that Nixon would have resigned in an environment like the one we have today. As a lecturer about conservative politics at the University of Pennsylvania, Brian Rosenwald has thought about the what-ifs of the Watergate scandal. He would have dug in. He would have had enough support to avoid conviction. Up until the very end, Richard Nixon was dug in.

That's just plain poppycock. The day before he relented, the front page of the Washington Post read, Nixon says he won't resign. But unlike what we might expect today, Nixon's party had abandoned him. Whatever decision he makes, it will be in the best interests of our country. Senator Barry Goldwater had been the last Republican presidential nominee before Nixon.

And on August 7, 1974, he and Republican leaders in Congress visited the White House. There had been no decision made. We were merely there to offer what we see as a condition on both floors.

The condition was dire. Impeachment is really a foregone conclusion. The majority of Republicans were likely to vote to impeach Nixon in the House, and there weren't enough Republican senators to block his conviction in the Senate. A day after the meeting, Nixon's decision led to the iconic Washington Post headline.

I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. In the 50 years since that announcement, that White House visit by leaders of the president's own party telling him his time was over may tell us less about what was happening then than it tells us about what is happening in our politics now. In our modern era, where we're so cynical about our politics, it's almost impossible to capture how different the political landscape was, you know, 72, 73, 74. Garrett Graff is the author of Watergate, A New History. Even Democrats trust Nixon because they say, you know, the president would never lie to the American people. We can't impeach the president.

He's the president. You know, if he is saying he's not involved in Watergate, he's telling us the truth. I had no prior knowledge of the Watergate break-in. No prior knowledge, perhaps, but Nixon had been involved in the cover-up after the burglary and wiretapping of the Democratic National Committee headquarters, abusing his power to obstruct the investigation and defying congressional subpoenas for evidence. Proof came from one of the bombshell moments in the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, the Watergate hearings. Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the President? I was aware of listening devices, yes sir. On one of the tapes, direct evidence against the president.

What comes out is this smoking pistol tape. In it is a recording from the first day that Richard Nixon is back in the White House. After the Watergate break-in, and it effectively shows that Nixon was part of the cover-up from the earliest hours.

The process worked. The constitutional process worked. Watergate is a story of incredible corruption and criminality, but to me it's actually an incredibly inspirational story of how our system works and the incredible ballet of checks and balances written into our Constitution. Every institution in Washington had to come together to play a special and important and unique role.

What was the basic shared norm that they believed in? Everyone agreed at that moment Richard Nixon was not above the law. That agreement could be reached because politicians weren't attached to their parties the way they are today. What did the president know and when did he know it? Howard Baker of Tennessee, the top Republican on the Watergate committee, probed for the truth.

He didn't erect obstacles to protect his party's president. Our electoral politics have changed in the last half century. We've become much more geographically polarized, which means red states and blue states. And the way that that manifests today is the most important election for most people are primaries, because that's the place they can lose. And who shows up for primaries? It is the people consuming ideological media.

They're engaged and they're usually far right or far left. This was the biggest day of the Watergate hearings yet. Lawmakers answered to an electorate where voters consumed the same information. I began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency.

85% of households watched some portion of the Watergate hearings. And didn't you bug his telephone conversation with you? No, sir. Didn't you record it?

Yes, sir. Did you tell him in advance? Nixon didn't think that he was committing crimes. He thought he was the law and order president. Nixon may have believed it, but there was no pro-Nixon media apparatus to feed that alternative reality to the public during the 784 days between break-in and resignation.

One can only be angry with those he respects. I don't think we could see a moment like that happen because of the fact that he was part of the media environment. The poisoned information ecosystem that politics now exists in is all but inescapable. If Richard Nixon had Fox News in 1974, he would have survived. Rosenwald imagines how the political and media developments of our world today would have played out 50 years ago. Given what you know about the conservative world, is it possible to imagine what the demands of today's pro-president party would be to the smoking gun? They would have said, they're just getting rid of our guys.

They're getting rid of our champions. They would have pointed at all kinds of malfeasance from Democrats and said, oh, look at those guys still serving. Nobody ran them out of office. And they would have pointed at the media and said, they did nothing about it. They are out to get you.

They hate you. And then basically said, whose side are you on? Are you on the side of your enemy or are you on the side of your guys? Nixon might not be perfect, but all of a sudden he's our guy. He's our guy may capture best the modern instances where lawmakers put party above all else. Though that instinct did not prevail when Democratic leaders convinced Joe Biden to abandon his campaign.

Pass the torch to a new generation. It did rule with Donald Trump when the moral stakes were at Watergate levels. There's no question.

None. The President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. After the January 6th attack on the Capitol, Republican leaders accused the president of their party of breaking his oath. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy spoke to his colleague Liz Cheney about an impeachment resolution. The only discussion I would have with him is that I think this will pass.

And it will be my recommendation we should be done. In the end, there was no White House visit. McCarthy has now endorsed Trump, as McConnell has. 50 years after Watergate, the question is not whether a tough love visit by members of a president's party is possible. It is.

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This was not your typical receiving line. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, better known as Harry and Meghan, are definitely big huggers. It was a meeting of an exclusive club and one that none of them wanted to join. Most of the parents here have lost a child, directly or indirectly, as a result of exposure to online social media. Harry and Meghan are trying to give them and parents like them some place to turn for help. It's called the Parents' Network, in association with the couple's charitable Archwell Foundation, and officially launches today.

I'm so, so happy you're here. Thank you. Meghan herself knows a thing or two about online bullying.

And how do you do? And of course, her husband Harry is no stranger to that either, or to unspeakable grief. The central topic is the loss that these families have suffered.

Stories that need to be shared because the parents who are listening, who have not suffered a loss, think that they couldn't. But they could. They certainly could. And that's, I think, one of the scariest things that we've learned over the course of the last 15, 17 years that social media has been around, and more so recently, is the fact that it could happen to absolutely anybody. I mean, we always talk about, in the olden days, if your kids were under your roof, you knew what they were up to. At least they were safe, right? And now they can be in the next door room on a tablet, on a phone, and can be going down these rabbit holes. And before you know it, within 24 hours, they could be taking their life. Our kids are young. They're three and five.

They're amazing. But all you want to do as parents is protect them. And so as we can see what's happening in the online space, we know that there's a lot of work to be done there.

And we're just happy to be able to be a part of change for good. Well, you hope that when your children ask for help, someone is there to give it. If you know how to help.

Thank you. At this point, we've got to the stage where almost every parent needs to be a first responder. And even the best first responders in the world wouldn't be able to tell the signs of possible suicide. Like, that is the terrifying piece of this. You can't tell this story to everybody. People don't understand.

It's something Donna and Chris Dolly know all too well. Their 17-year-old son, CJ, died from suicide after what they believe was depression fueled by social media use. But your son had a demon in his bedroom. Yeah, I think so, yeah.

Yes. We had no idea what happened to our son. You know, he had a beautiful car. He worked and did that. He had a job he liked. Sisters had loved him. Parents had adored him.

Yes. And he was happy. He was a happy kid. And like so many parents in their place, the Dollys say a factor in their son's depression and death was his smartphone, a device designed to be so addictive that he couldn't put it down, not even in the minutes before he died.

He still had it in his hand, the phone. That's how addicted he was. He couldn't even kill himself without posting about it first. And like the Dollys, it's often impossible for parents or anyone else to see that someone was so deep in despair that they'd consider taking their own life.

Meghan Markle has been there, as she told Oprah Winfrey in 2021. Look, I was really ashamed to say it at the time and ashamed to have to admit it to Harry especially, because I know how much loss he suffered. But I knew that if I didn't say it, that I would do it. And I just didn't, I just didn't want to be alive anymore. You had an experience that connects you to these, these families. And I see you touch your husband's hand and just the way I knew that you would be looking after each other if I went places. But the connection that you have with people is they don't have to deal with people as they know you, you had suffered too, personally.

Contemplating killing yourself is what suicidal ideation was. And I'm, I'm dancing around this because I can see you're uncomfortable with my even, even going there. Do you? I understand why you are though. I wasn't expecting it, but I understand why you are because there is a through line, I think. And when you've been through any level of pain or trauma, I believe part of our healing journey, certainly part of mine, is being able to be really open about it.

And I haven't really scraped the surface on my experience. But I do think that I would never want someone else to feel that way. And I would never want someone else to be making those sort of plans. And I would never want someone else to not be believed. So if me voicing what I have overcome will save someone or asks or encourage someone in their life to really genuinely check in on them and not assume that the appearance is good, so everything's okay, then that's worth it.

I'll, I'll take a hit for that. This in-person gathering was just for the launch. The Parents Network will meet mostly online.

But group facilitator Leora Wolf-Prusan says the important thing is what the group will talk about. We're going to stop expecting you to be done with your grief in a year. We're going to stop telling you that we're tired of hearing the stories of internet harm. Like we will say your kid's name over and over again because they existed and they mattered. And that we know that it wasn't your fault.

That's it, right? It wasn't your fault. This happened to you and now we as a community get to create something with you. Knowing that we're helping others and even if that saves one kid and one family's heartache, that's enough. And these are some of the group's charter members. Taj and Celine Swanson-Jensen, whose son Tanner died from an overdose of drugs, pushed online. England was the youngest of... She was the youngest, 14 years old. Brandy and Tony Roberts, who lost their daughter England to suicide after online bullying.

And Perla Mendoza, whose son Eli died when a painkiller he bought online was actually a lethal dose of fentanyl. Thank you for being here, but I have to, you know, ask why would you do this? Why would you do this?

The simple answer is so others don't have to live what we've lived and will continue to live. I don't expect anything from anyone. This is just a labor of love in honor of my son and all the other children that have lost their lives to fentanyl. This is for the mother who cannot get out of bed, for the dad that won't leave his house. I stand here for them too. I hope that one day when it's my turn to go home, I'll see my son and he'll tell me good job mama.

The idea here is that there is comfort and power in numbers with the goal, as Harry himself once said, of turning pain into purpose. And the two of you, this is, it's a modest beginning, you know, it's not an army of parents yet, but what are your ambitions? I think you have to start somewhere. I think the simplest thing that anyone watching this or anyone who's able to make change, to look at it through the lens of what if it was my daughter? What if it was my son? My son or my daughter who comes home who are joyful, who I love, and one day right under my roof, our entire lives change because of something that was completely out of our control. And if you look at it through the lens as a parent, there is no way to see that any other way than to try to find a solution. Getting the smile and confidence you've been dreaming about all from the comfort of your home isn't a total mystery with bite clear aligners.

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Give a listen and it's easy to see why Kelefa Sané's profile is one of our Sunday best. He's a former rapper who calls himself Jelly Roll. He sings songs about the troubled life he used to lead. Last year he won a country music association award for best new artist just before turning 39. I want to tell you success is on the other side of it. I want to tell you it's going to be okay. I'm only one drink away from the devil.

He recently scored his fourth number one country hit and this year he was nominated for two Grammy awards. Someone was asking me what is the precedent for this Jelly Roll story and I said it's not really like anything. Yeah thank you man. We're definitely on our own island. This is jail. It sucks.

Everyone I've ever been to. If you're wondering where Jelly Roll came from, so this is your old room right here. This is it. One difference is the doors open right now.

Yeah it still smells the same though. One answer is here, the county detention center in Nashville. There was a time in my life where I truly thought where I truly thought this was it. That this was your future. Yeah and then coming here you know just after getting nominated for two Grammys it just hits different. You know it's just I didn't think I'd get emotional to be honest but every time they just just sell just you just think man this is even when I left here I didn't have a plan. Jelly Roll was in and out of facilities for 10 years starting at age 14.

Drug possession, drug dealing, shoplifting, aggravated robbery. I knew that I loved music and I knew it was the only thing I had any skill set in I thought I can't believe I'm crying. His real name is Jason DeFord but when he was a boy his mother gave him a nickname that stuck. Your family called you Jelly Roll, your friends called you Jelly Roll. Oh yeah yeah to this day my mother calls me Jelly.

If somebody walked in here right now and said Jason I wouldn't look up. Growing up Jelly Roll never pictured himself having a normal career. I knew my father booked bets. I knew my mother struggled with drugs so to me this was just what you did. When he wasn't getting in trouble Jelly wrote songs like this one about driving around and getting high. I was cocking a big body down south optimals burning slow staying smoked out in the Chevy and I'm heavy and I ride clean I'm wiping sticky off my dickies from the light green the light green. He started making informal hip-hop CDs known as mixtapes. You're selling drugs to people and selling mixtapes? No no I'm just giving the mixtapes away. I'm just like yo here's a sack of weed here's a gram of coke here's a mixtape you know what I'm saying I rap too.

It was like my business card. Even my drug dealing to me was always a means to music. I wrote hundreds of songs right here. I wrote Riding All Alone's chorus right here. You know I wake up every day I hit my knees and pray my mind is filled with pain so many things have changed. I'm looking at my life like it's an hourglass.

Every minute trying to kiss the beat. He was 24 when he left prison for the last time. By then a prison guard had given him some news that changed the way he thought about his life. He said D4 he had a kid today.

I said what? He said yeah yeah you had a child and I was like what's her name and he said hell I don't know. It turned out her name is Bailey. Like so many in Jelly's life her mother suffered from addiction. Jelly is now raising her with his wife of seven years Bunny XO, a podcaster who calls herself the Trailer Park Barbara Walters. In 2010 Jelly Roll had his first minor hit a hip-hop track called Pop Another Pill. I have a line in that song to show you where I was at in my mental space how insecure and how much I didn't believe in myself. I ain't got no single no potential for the radio. I ain't got no single no potential for the radio.

As a rapper Jelly Roll sounded a bit like the southern hip-hop stars he admired. Somebody save me. But when he started singing me from myself the twang in his voice made country fans pay attention. In 2020 he released an acoustic version of a ballad called Save Me which became his breakthrough. I'm so damaged beyond repair.

Life has shattered my hopes and my dreams. On YouTube the video has been viewed more than 200 million times. Tonight is the most special night of my life. And the next year he performed at Nashville's Grand Ole Opry.

I knew the moment I did it I made at least a small piece of history in this town. Unreal man this this place is holy ground. Songs like Son of a Sinner and Need a Favor make fans feel as if they really know him and believe in him.

Like Dale Henry and her daughter Kelsey Roberts. It just really touches your soul. I mean when you hear him say save me from myself yes it just makes me think it's such pain there right he just exuberates it through his music. I just I just love it.

I just love it. It started with a little pill. His latest album Whitsitt Chapel is anchored by a song called She about a woman fighting drug addiction. But what an amazing full circle moment.

You have She this song about the fentanyl epidemic from an artist whose first single was called Pop Another Pill. It shows what God can do with you kind of. It shows how much change can happen in your life.

The windshield is bigger than the rear view mirror for a reason because what's in front of us is so much more important than what's behind us. These days when Jelly goes behind bars he's only visiting and he's bringing a message. For you it might be welding for you it might be barbering whatever it is find that thing and it might just be starting with simply being a good father. I'm trying to just encourage inspire and entertain. I'm just trying to get you free for a minute. When I go to juveniles I'm trying to get you to understand that you're loved.

He may talk like a preacher but he says he doesn't exactly live like one. One of the things that people really relate to you for is not just that you have this sense of wanting to inspire people but also this idea that you're still someone who's still trying to figure it out. I think that it's cool to see vulnerability that way and that we can all grow together and that it's okay to not have it figured out at 35. It's okay to not have it figured out at 25.

It's okay to not have it figured out at 15. Just know that you can figure it out and believing that. How do you feel about your success? Do you feel like you've earned it? Do you feel like you deserve it? I'm starting to. I didn't at first and I'm still dealing with imposter stuff. I'm still dealing with talking to my therapist about that.

Do I really deserve this? I'm still a guy that's haunted by my past. There's a very dark hallway between my ears. But sometimes Jelly Roll takes a minute to think about his unlikely journey. Like when those Grammy nominations came out and he phoned his mother. I've called her addicted. I've called her homeless. I've called her from rehab facilities. I've called her from halfway houses, broken down on the side of the street. Never got to call her and say I've been nominated for two Grammys.

One of the coolest moments of my whole life. I'm Tracey Smith. Please join Jane Pauley when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.

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