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Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley, and this is Sunday morning. It was the verdict heard round the world this past week as former President Donald Trump learned his fate in the first ever criminal trial of an American President. Donald Trump has been found guilty on all cases. Counts.
This morning, our Robert Costa will be looking at the jury's guilty finding, reaction to it, what's happened since. and what could lie ahead. Then Ted Koppel attends a Trump rally to speak with the former president's supporters about the upcoming election and what comes after. You can meet some really nice people at a Trump rally. Not surprisingly, they love Trump.
If anybody's guilty, it's Biden. Also, no shocker here. They're not crazy about reporters. Why don't you just tell the truth about Joe Biden that he's treasonous?
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Oh yeah. Not the best. The story goes like this. When Jurassic Park author Michael Crichton died, he left an unfinished novel about a killer volcano.
So his wife got another great writer, James Patterson, to finish it. I can't imagine that you were looking for something to do. I'm always looking for something to do. Really, are you? Sure, a little bit, a little bit.
I'm open to things to do, for sure. Two authors, one explosive novel, ahead on Sunday morning. Then on to a musical that's the talk of Broadway, but it's a show with no dialogue. A unique take Califasane has been looking into. John Blackstone tells us about a case now before the Supreme Court that could have profound implications for the unhoused in towns and cities across the nation.
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The verdict is in for the first criminal trial of an American president. Robert Costa takes a closer look at the week that was and what comes next. The fallout continued today after the historic conviction of Donald Trump. Pretty historic. Donald Trump becoming the first former president ever to be convicted of a crime.
Historic. There is no playbook for this. It's unprecedented. Unprecedented felony conviction of Donald Trump. Unprecedented.
Found guilty on all counts. Trump has been found guilty. And guilty. Donald Trump found guilty on all 34 counts. You couldn't escape those words this past week.
a former president convicted on 34 felony counts. in a city he long called home. But beyond all the drama, says CBS News legal contributor Rebecca Royfe was simply a jury of seven men and five women doing their duty. Nobody is above the law. It's a refrain here at the end of this trial.
Yes. You know, you can have all sorts of power, you can have all sorts of wealth, but when you're in that courtroom, you're just like anybody else. Of course, there are some people who are going to look at this case and not look at it that way. Former President Donald Trump is one of them. It was a rig trial.
We wanted a venue change. where we could have a fair trial. We didn't get it. President Biden, meanwhile, defended the legal system. The jury heard five weeks of evidence.
They found Donald Trump guilty. on all 34 felony counts.
Now he'll be given the opportunity as he should. to appeal that decision Guilty! Guilty! The gravity of this moment is obvious, a stress test for democracy. Just as the Trump-Biden race is heating up.
Less obvious is what happens next. Can you still serve as president if you are a convicted felon? Yes, you can. I mean, it is part of our system that we have certain limitations on the presidency, and that is not one of them in the Constitution. There is nothing barring somebody from either running for the presidency or for being president as a convicted felon.
Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on July 11th. Days before Republicans are set to nominate him again. Trump attorney Todd Blanche. Is it possible your client could be in jail? During the Republican National Convention?
It's possible. That's something that I don't want to think about. I don't think it's going to happen, but it's possible, of course. Regardless, the summer with its debates, conventions, and other political fireworks is likely to be a season of Trump's grievance. This is a campaign and this is a political career based on conflict, conflict, conflict, conflict.
Other politicians are going running away from conflict. He's running absolutely toward it. Author Michael Wolfe covered the trial and has written several books on Trump, whose campaign says they raised over $50 million 24 hours after the verdict. And Trump has kept top Republicans at his side amid his legal troubles.
Some even showed up at court in loyal red ties. This is a sham. This is not the United States of America. This is some third-rate banana republic. The fact that this person keeps going against these things that no one could shoulder, somehow, weirdly makes him heroic to many, many, many many people.
For Wolfe this crossroads is a reckoning of Trump. and of the combative New York world of infamous lawyers and fixers. hush money and tabloids Trump has now made Our own. As a longtime observer and writer on Trump, what do you make of him, someone who forged his career in the 70s and 80s, alongside a New York lawyer like Roy Cohn?
now finding himself a convicted felon, in lower Manhattan. Poetic. If you were a writer and you were writing this story, this is how you might have it end. The anomaly is that this is not necessarily where it ends, that it may well end in the White House. Our Califorsane is on Broadway this morning with a ticket to a unique Tony-nominated musical.
People are talking about a new Broadway musical that has no talking at all. The musical is Illinois, based on a 2005 album called Illinois, pronounced without the E, by the singer-songwriter Sufjan Stevens. Drove to Chicago. For the show, an on-stage band handles the music and the singing. The actors are dancers, telling the story not through dialogue, but through the choreography of Justin Peck.
I've seen Sufjan Stevens in concert. This is not traditionally dance music. He doesn't write music in a straightforward way. I think it actually challenges the ear, and I felt like there was a unique rhythmic and dance world to be found in his music. Peck began exploring that world in 2012 when he used Stevens' music in a work for the New York City Ballet.
Hi, Lolo. Since then, PEX dances have leapt onto Broadway. And the big screen. He's become one of the world's most celebrated choreographers, but Peck says Illinois was always on his mind. Every once in a while I would just say, hey Sufian, what do you think about taking Illinois and turning it into a musical?
And eventually he turned to me and he was like, okay, here's the keys to the car. Like, take this, explore it, and I'll be there to support you. Sufjan Stevens' involvement has been limited. Last fall, he announced he was recovering from Guillain-Beret syndrome, which had left him unable to walk. Peck says he knew Stevens had faith in him, but he figured he could use some help, so he recruited Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Jackie Sibleys Drury.
Did you like the challenge of writing a musical without words? Yes. I feel like why don't, I mean, maybe more musicals should not have words. They thought about including dialogue, then decided against it, but they still wanted to tell a story. Can we peek in here?
What's in this secret book that you guys have created together? It's almost like a treatment if we think of the piece as like a silent film. Like it's like a narrative description of what goes on over the course of the show. The show follows a restless young man named Henry who finds himself around a campfire with friends sharing diary entries and who eventually decides to share his own story. We're kind of doing what the characters do, which is we're like sort sitting around a campfire.
It's an ode to the origins of theater making. It's like this is how it all began. People started to tell each other stories and entertain one another. One of the musicians in the band is Sharon Nova, who sang on the original album. When we were making the record, we were just having fun seeing how the ripple has.
Blown out is just incredible. I mean, it was pretty far from Broadway, what was happening back then. Exactly. Seven miles. Miles above the earth.
You're standing up here every night. You can look out into the audience. The people who come to the show, do they know these songs already?
Some of them know the songs and some of them don't. And you can sure see the ones that do because they're moving in five. Right. A lot of fans of Sufion Stevens love this show. A lot of people who love this show are discovering Sufjan Stevens.
Does Sufion Stevens love this show? That's an interesting question. You know, he came to see the show a few weeks ago and he was really blown away by it. We couldn't imagine what it was. kind of took it all in and A great spirit about it, and there were a few really like funny moments where he was like, Did I really write that lyric?
Like, that doesn't make any sense. There's something so bittersweet about the idea that he's struggling with his own mobility at the time that his songs are being given new life in this very physical form. Yeah, it's a lot to grapple with. I can't explain. The show also deals with a lot of grief.
It's very much reflective of life. There are these very high moments and these very low moments. I think that's part of why audiences are really able to connect to this musical. Illinois is an unlikely Broadway show, but it has received four Tony nominations, including Best Musical. And Justin Peck likes the idea that audiences might not know quite what they're in for.
That's the mark of good work is if an audience can know nothing about it and just enter into the space and take it in and have an experience that moves them. That's like a more eloquent way of saying no spoilers. No spoilers, exactly, no spoilers. We all belong outside. We're drawn to nature, whether it's the recorded sounds of the ocean we doze off to or the succulents that adorn our homes.
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So how can he have a highly anticipated new novel out to morrow? Tracy Smith has the story of a blockbuster collaboration. If you ever want to feel a sense of awe, try standing near an erupting volcano. The late author Michael Crichton was fascinated with volcanoes for most of his life. And even now, 16 years after his death, among the countless books and papers at his office in Santa Monica, you'll find stacks of volcano research.
Oh, this is all volcanoes? This is all volcanoes. For his widow, Sherry Alexander Crichton, it's almost as if he's still here. I feel his energy around all the time. Do you want to talk to him?
I do. You do? I do. I always connect with them. After he died, how long did it take for you to come here?
Um Wow. Um Pretty soon, pretty quickly, I couldn't. I couldn't not be where he was. And in the mountain of papers he left behind, she found parts of an unfinished novel centered around a huge volcanic eruption. This was the very, very early drafts.
It struck Sherry Crichton as something he would have wanted to share: a posthumous blockbuster from someone who, in his relatively short life, gave the world so much. In the literary world, Michael Crichton was a colossus, the only writer to have a number one book, movie, and T V show in the same year. He was also a Harvard educated doctor, a prolific genius who created scientific thrillers that brought millions along on heart-pounding rides from big city emergency rooms in ER. Busy downstairs? Yeah, I gotta get back.
to the tornado-ravaged heartland in Twister. Uh To places that exist only in our dreams or our nightmares. Sherry Crichton remembers him as someone who is incredibly fun, but at times, distant. I remember when I first started dating Michael, a very dear friend of mine said, Sherry It's gonna go like this. It's going to feel like he doesn't want to have anything to do with you when he's writing.
It's not going to feel like he loves you anymore because he's going to be into the book. And you're going to have to be okay with that. And I was like, of course, of course I'll be okay. But when it hit, like that first few times when he would really separate, he was present, but he actually was still in his creation, whatever that was. How'd you deal with that?
I had a hard time. I'm not going to. It was hard. And it took a lot of self-confidence to be able to say, to myself, this is going to be okay. Let's give it another month.
Let's see what it's going to be like. And it was okay. They married in two thousand five. But three years later Michael Crichton died of cancer at age sixty six, leaving Sherry alone. and six months pregnant with their son, John Michael.
As she picked up the pieces of her life, she discovered and read parts of the volcano book he'd been working on, a page turner about a massive eruption in Hawaii worse than any in history. And then Did it just stop? It abruptly, that's it. You come to the last page. But I kept thinking.
There has to be more. There has to be more. And so, after more than a decade, she decided it was time to finish it.
So then it was like, no, who's going to do that? And So I just went big. I thought What about James Patterson? What about James Patterson? James Patterson, you might have heard, is one of the most successful authors in history.
He sold something like four hundred million books and collaborated with people like President Bill Clinton and the great Dolly Parton. Truth is, Patterson has a backlog of projects that keep him working every day, but when Sherry Crichton called, he answered. I can't imagine that you were looking for something to do. I'm always looking for something to do. Really, are you?
Sure, a little bit, a little bit. I'm open to things to do, for sure. And Crichton's story was too good for him to pass up about the big explosive volcano and the fact that it threatened to crack open a stockpile of toxic waste so potent that it could destroy life on planet Earth. But finishing the book was a tall order for both Patterson and Sherry Crichton. You said you were apprehensive.
At first, that you were a little nervous.
Well, I was just nervous because. It's a new relationship. And she lives in Hollywood and people lie out here. You know, I have to say I was very, I'm just fiercely protective of Michael's materials. How did you find Michael Crichton's voice or did you have to find his voice?
I had read everything that Michael Crichton wrote.
So I think I had a sense of the voice. This book might be a little pacier than some of his books, just a little bit. But I had a feeling for it. They challenged people to for them to come out and say, this is where Michael stopped and this is where James started. And I'm really proud of that.
I'm really happy about it. The end result, Eruption, by Michael Crichton and James Patterson, will be out tomorrow. You know, there's a quote, I don't know where this comes from, and it's not me, but I love it, and it relates to my taking this project. And I think it's more valuable, actually, for 20-year-olds than it is for me. And the quote is, my time here is short.
What can I do most beautifully? And I felt with Eruption and this Michael Crichton, I thought I could do it beautifully. I thought I could. He's not wrong. The finished book is already said to have studios clamoring for the film rights.
And it's also true to the spirit of the man who started it. For people who just know him through his books, what was Michael Creighton like? He um He was just He was amazing. He was. vulnerable and kind.
And now his work will live on. In a team effort that's both highly anticipated and, to Sherry Crichton at least, worth waiting for. I was single until the time I met Michael. And people used to go, why are you so picky? And I'm like, it's just not right yet.
It's just not right.
So I waited. And it was the same thing with Jim. It was the same thing. I waited on this manuscript until I felt that the time was right, that I had all the pieces of the puzzle. but then it had to be the right fit.
Man, I think I did okay. Any day now, the Supreme Court is expected to rule on a case that could have far-reaching implications for the unhoused across America. John Blackstone reports on what's at stake. With foothills rising above, Boise, Idaho is a place of beauty. But it's the city's less scenic quarters, dead ends, and back alleys that were Robert Martin's home on and off for 15 years.
Just sitting here about like so, and had a blanket wrapped up, had it laying down underneath me, as a little bit of cushioning between me and the ground, and just trying to catch a few winks. On nights when Boise's homeless shelters were full. Martin got sleep wherever he could. There were times I've slept in garage stairwells on cement, slept in rock. You know, up under overpasses on the rocks and dirt.
But in Boise, sleeping or camping on public property was against the law. Martin was one of many ticketed and fined for sleeping in public. And Roberts' case was. I thought it was actually a vivid portrayal of the situation that homeless people find themselves in. Howard Bellidoff of Idaho Legal Aid Services saw a constitutional issue in Boise's camping ordinance.
And made a federal case out of it. Here's a guy. He has no place to sleep. He's been walking around all night because he's been warned you can't quote-unquote camp, which just means you can't have a blanket around you. In 2009, in federal court, Beladoff filed a lawsuit that came to be known as Martin versus Boise, arguing that the city of Boise had violated the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment by leaving those without homes nowhere to legally sleep.
It's cruel and unusual in the true sense of the word because every single one of us, rich, poor, old, young. Male, female. They need to sleep. Nine years later, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco, agreed with Bellidoff, writing, It considered whether the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment bars a city from prosecuting people criminally for sleeping outside on public property. Concluding.
It does. And the fact that the courts have crippled our ability to do our jobs to help get people into shelter is criminal. San Francisco's mayor, London Breed, blames Martin v. Boise for worsening the city's crisis. A court order bars San Francisco from clearing sidewalk encampments unless it can guarantee a place to sleep for everyone it moves.
A challenge in a city with more than 8,000 homeless, but fewer than 4,000 shelter beds. Nationally, there is a lack of shelter beds. By one estimate, about 188,000 more people need shelter than there are beds available. But the Martin v. Boise decision applies only to the nine western states under Ninth Circuit jurisdiction.
In the rest of the country, 14 states have laws making it a crime to camp in public places, and 27 states have laws against vagrancy and loitering that can be used to move along those sleeping in public. Those kind of laws have effectively been outlawed in Ninth Circuit states. What the Ninth Circuit has said is that a person can't be punished for being homeless if there aren't adequate shelter beds or places for them to go. Erwin Chemerinsky is a leading constitutional scholar and dean of the law school at UC Berkeley. The Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment, we think of it as being applied to death penalty cases, for example.
How can it be applied to homelessness? In 1962, the United States Supreme Court said it's cruel and unusual punishment to punish somebody. for a status. In that case they said, you can't punish somebody for being a drug addict. You can punish them for taking drugs, for possessing drugs, but not for the status of being addicted.
Likewise, the Federal Court of Appeals here has said you can't punish somebody for the status of being unhoused. Needing more affordable housing. Since the unhoused can't be denied a place to sleep, Mayor Kate Collin in San Rafael, California is almost powerless to move the person living in a tent beside City Hall. Shelters here are usually full, which means this suburban city of 60,000 can legally do little about encampments on its streets. Every time we passed an ordinance, we were sued, either immediately or within the timeframe that that could happen.
Must be frustrating to try to say to residents here, sorry, we can't move the people who are camped at the end of your street because the court has told us we can't. It is frustrating. People don't want to hear that San Rafael doesn't have the independent ability to work with our unhoused community.
So when we say it's because of the federal law, it takes people a moment. To say, really? While many cities complain about Martin v. Boise, Grants Pass, Oregon is doing something. The city appealed to the Supreme Court.
When the case was argued in April, advocates for the unhoused demonstrated outside the court. While inside, attorney Theon A. Evangelist, representing Grant's pass, urged the justices to overturn Martin v. Boise. It would be a disaster if Martin were to remain on the books in any form.
How did Grants Pass, Oregon? Population, what? About 40,000. becomes central to this case before the Supreme Court. It was sued by a group of plaintiffs who claimed that it would be cruel and unusual punishment for grants passed to enforce its local camping ordinances.
The Supreme Court decision expected this month could impact homeless policy across the country. All of us living here within the Ninth Circuit have seen the effects firsthand of these decisions. And that's why if the Supreme Court were to agree with the Ninth Circuit, those conditions would spread to the rest of the country and that would be the opposite of solving this problem. On the other hand, I think there is such a compelling argument behalf of what the Ninth Circuit said. that you can't make something a crime if there's no alternative.
What's on the line in the Supreme Court in this? For homeless people, the question is, are they going to face criminal punishment because they don't have else to live? For cities, the question would be, what can cities do lawfully to deal with their unhoused population? And for the Constitution, the question is, what's this going to mean for the Eighth Amendment? Robert Martin no longer lives on the streets, but but his thoughts remain with those who still search for places to sleep.
Being homeless. should never equate to an unlawful Act. Being homeless is an unforeseen and an unfortunate circumstance. For Howard Belladoff, the attorney who started it all, the case is not only about the rights of the homeless. It's also about their humanity.
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Senior contributor Ted Koppel takes a closer look at the election and what may come after. It's mid-April in an open field at the edge of Schnicksville on the outskirts of Allentown, Pennsylvania. Nice warm meatiats! Schnecksville rally, sir. Winter has not entirely surrendered.
The faithful have been lining up since late morning, although Mr. Trump is not expected before early evening. On a day like today, It's cold. It is. It's wet.
Yep. It's nasty. Yep. What the hell brings you out here? The truth, freedom.
We want our freedoms. That's what we're here for, freedom. Nobody cares about the working class. You don't care about us. You want your ratings on CBS, and you want to lift up that idiot in the White House.
Okay, you've already made up your mind about me. No, I'm not saying you. I'm sorry if you thought that. I'm saying the media, you have been lying to the American people long enough. This rally took place weeks before any verdict in Trump's New York trial had been reached.
But the faithful weren't going to be swayed by any verdict delivered by a New York jury. He's not guilty. If anybody is guilty, it's Biden.
Sorry. There would appear to be very few, if any, people in this crowd. It was rigged. It was fake. Looking to be convinced of anything new.
Do you folks think that Trump lost the last election? No. No. Not at all. And truth broke him out.
It's coming out slower than. There's going to be another election. And when it's all over, if they say Trump lost. He will not lose. It's in God's hand.
And he's going to straighten this country out. I'm a Christian, and I just know that there's a lot more to this than what they're showing us out there now. I think God's behind everything we do here, and I mean that sincerely. You think President Trump is a man of God?
Well, I would like to think he is. I feel he is. I feel he is. And every time he seems he gets charged with something, more and more people come out to stand behind him. That would certainly appear to be the case on this blustery day in Pennsylvania.
A solid crowd of close to 8,000. They seem to draw energy and confidence from one another. We're living in a fascist state. Over these past few weeks, in interviews and at other public appearances, Trump himself has raised the specter of violence Should he lose this next election? The events of January 6th, the violence on the steps of Congress, the chaos in the halls of Congress.
President Trump's initial reluctance to call his supporters off. All of that has congealed into an alternate reality. No longer a travesty to be condemned. It is an act of heroism to be celebrated. Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated January 6th hostages.
At some rallies, men identified as the convicted rioters. singing the national anthem are invoked as victims. Even heroes. Ladies and gentlemen, not tonight, though. Welcome the next President of the United States.
President Donald. J. Shrum! Trunt seems to be missing some of his usual spark. I'm freezing my ass off up here.
They can relate. Many have been out here for more than eight hours. They are nothing if not sympathetic. Two days from now. The former president is only days away from his own trial in New York.
Biden trial. They're all Biden trials. You know that, right? They know that Donald Trump ever crooked judge may be distracted. Fully gagged before a highly conflicted and corrupt judge.
We're only a couple of hours away from the Civil War battlefield at Gettysburg. The Battle of Gettysburg, what an unbelievable. I mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. Other than proximity, though, the president appears unsure as to why he brought it up. Gettysburg, wow.
I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to look and to watch. And the statement of Robert E. Lee, who's no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. Never fight uphill, me boys.
Never fight uphill. They were fighting uphill. He said, wow. Did Lee have an Irish brogue? Almost certainly not.
What happened at Gettysburg was the beginning of the end for Confederate forces. Despite his crushing defeat, Lee looms majestically over the battlefield. by all appearances, triumphant. It is, particularly to foreign visitors, a bizarre notion. honoring the man who led an army of rebels.
It falls to Chris Gwynn, Gettysburg's Chief of Interpretation and Education, to explain. The Confederates, they lost. The battle? They lost the war. But for a long, long time they won the War of Memory.
They won the War of Memory. Because what most visitors encounter is a battlefield that has achieved this kind of moral equivalency. Chris, you're putting it in the past tense. as though that were no longer The case. It is still the case.
It's still the case. There's a memorial down the road to the state of Mississippi. And on that monument, it talks about the righteous cause that Mississippians fought for. But what was that cause? Slavery.
Slavery. And you can go back to the Mississippi Declaration of Secession when the war begins. And Mississippians in 1860, 1861, they'll tell you exactly what the war's about, to protect slavery. But that's not anywhere on that monument. Indeed, even as Chris Gwynn and I reflected on the war of memory, We learned that the names of Robert E.
Lee and Stonewall Jackson. are being restored to a couple of schools in Shenandoah County, Virginia. Let's un-cancel Stonewall Jackson. Thank you. That reversal comes less than four years after the names were changed.
in response to the Black Lives Matter movement. Memory? History. Which ultimately triumphs, memory or history? Memory usually triumphs, at least in the short term.
I don't think there has ever been a more recorded Many insurrection. than what happened on January 6th. And yet we're still arguing. about what happens. Are you seeing?
some of the same similarities that I'm seeing. in what's happening today. To a degree. I mean, you don't have to. If it's too hot a potato.
It's a little hot. It's a little hot for the Park Service. What I remember from the the January 6th. Riot, insurrection. As I saw Confederate battle flags in the halls of Congress for the first time, they achieved something that Robert E.
Lee. And his Army of Northern Virginia never even got close to. They're physically in the halls of Congress with the same battle flag that. You know, Virginia units. on this battlefield carried.
And that's something I never thought I'd see. Does it bother you? Uh deeply, profoundly. Because We fought a four-year war. that cost 700,000 lives.
And to see And that symbol, that flag. utilized in that way. and to see it in that building. was something that I think if you could go and reincarnate some of these Union soldiers, these United States soldiers buried in that cemetery, they would be aghast at the sight of that. And yet when the Civil War began with the surrender of Fort Sumter in eighteen sixty one, there was throughout much of the land wild celebration.
and no inkling of the price to be paid. Wars rarely begin in a climate of foresight.
So could the chest beating at a political rally provide real insight as to what could happen in the event of another Trump defeat? We have to get Biden the hell out of office and send him back. To wherever he comes from. Condition one, be ready. I don't know, I think there's going to be some real unrest in this country.
I think everybody will. Step up Mel. In condition one, be ready. That's why I said that. Condition 1 refers to a firearm with the safety on a live round in the chamber.
and the hammer cocked. Condition one. We will never, ever, ever, ever back down. President Trump's critics and their legion are fearful of what his victory in the election might mean for the country. We might do well to consider the consequences of another Trump defeat.
We will not go another four years at the pace we're going. Our site will fight back then. Tell me what that means. It means our freedom will not be stolen anymore. What if it happens again?
Uh be ready. Just be ready for war. Really? I think some of us are going to go. And that would be a little notch.
Oh right. If you're lost, you can look and you will find me time after time. If you fall, I will catch you. I'll be waiting time after time. It's Sunday morning, and here again is Jane Pauly.
In the 1980s, Cindy Lauper's distinctive voice and style hit American pop culture like a multicolored tidal wave. Today, the Grammy, Emmy, and Tony Award winner is the focus of a new documentary. Anthony Mason is talking with a music legend. Why did you pick this street? I wanted a scout to get the right street to dance down.
Cindy Lauper scouted the street herself. You'd have to see the curve. That's why I picked this street, the curve. Gay Streets in Greenwich Village, where she shot the video For the Grammy winning, girls just want to have fun. The song that launched her career in 1983.
A career that's carried her from pop starting To the Broadway stage. She won a Tony writing the score for Kinky Boots. in 2013. I never wanted just a hit song. I wanted a song that meant something, like the songs that got me through.
Like the songs I used to chant walking along when I felt like. Oh my God, how am I going to live? Why the hell was I born? Those were hard questions for Lopper. You learn in the new documentary, Let the Canary Sing, on Paramount Plus, a division of our parent company.
She grew up in a Catholic family in Queens, New York, with her younger brother, Fred, and older sister, Ellen. You guys were really close. Oh my god, I was so close to Ellen. I would have been on the other side of her. My sister and I, we wrote songs together.
She was my first writing partner. As kids, you had a really tough time with your stepfather. Yeah. I think he had some serious Mental issues. It made it really hard for you.
Really bad. The worst came after Ellen had moved out. Your sister was away. You were home. If and Something happened.
And I called my sister and told her about it. She said, Okay, just Just come here now. don't stay there any more. It's probably not safe. How old were you at that point?
Well, all the went down when I was twelve. But it really started at eight. And I'm not sure if it started at four and a half. I just found that music made it better. Her mother was a music fan.
and in nineteen sixty four, This rock and roll group has taken over. When the Beatles came to America, She took Cindy to see them arrive at Kennedy Airport. To see them drive by. Did you see them? I would have seen them better if I didn't close my eyes and scream.
Lopper's strong voice got her noticed when she was fronting the band Blue Angel. She signed a solo deal, and the label brought her the song, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. It's over. You actually said you didn't want to sing that song originally.
Well, but it was written by a guy. It was like, hey, dad, we are the fortunate ones, because girls just want to have fun, and guess who they want to have fun with? Me. But producer Rick Chertoff persisted. And Rick kept saying, Yeah, but think of what it could be.
It could be an anthem for girls.
So when he said that, I started thinking. What can you do? She added reggae and Motown influences and decided to sing it really high. Let's go. They'd just be one of them.
And then All of a sudden The girls just want to have fun. that everyone knows now. or is born. I've had some incredible moments in my life, and I really magical and mystical. One of them was with.
Patty LaBelle. I heard her sing time after time. I felt like, okay, I could drop the mic now. I just heard one of the greatest singers sing Something I wrote. Oh my god.
I will catch you home. Another came in 1985 when she was invited to be part of the all-star chorus that sang We Are the World. Seen in the recent documentary The Greatest Night in Pop.
Okay. But co-producer Quincy Jones complained she messed up takes with her rattling bracelets. Have you seen what Quincy said about you? That I was a troublemaker? Yes.
Poor thing. I didn't I really admired Quincy. Look, I'm sorry I still wear jangly things. I'm sorry.
So what's your memory of that experience? Did you have a good time? Magical. just to be included. But then again, I was very famous then.
You weren't really very happy with fame. Nah. You need theme. to continue your work. But what I really wanted, Anthony, My big dream.
Was really, really, really to be a great artist someday. And I still feel like I can do it. But you've done that your whole life. Yeah. Yeah, but Something that's undeniable.
Something nobody could. Tear down. Where did you stand? Here. Ran here some work.
After our interview at the old power station studio in New York. we stood in the exact spot where Lauper recorded true colors. But I see your truth I don't even know where that came from. I'm just glad I was the conduit. Back in 1986, she'd just lost a friend.
Two AIDS. That was really opening up a vein. And I remember the first time I heard it, I went and hid. And the cost. I was like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
Why did I do that? That's so over-the-top, vulnerable sin, too much. It felt so personal. And it was. This is you.
Right here. Don't be afraid to let them show. Feels like a different wife, doesn't it? Different person. Very different person.
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What does it take to be the best? Ilanquihano dives in. Thank you. Days off do not exist for Katie Ledecki. How much time are you spending in the water?
I swim nine to ten times a week for two hours at a time. By her own estimate, Ledecki swims up to 70,000 meters or roughly 43 miles each week as she gears up for the Paris Olympics next month. And if that isn't enough, after hitting the pool, she hits the waves. She's won 10 Olympic medals, seven of them gold, and has more individual Olympic gold medals than any woman swimmer in history. I love the distance races, I love the training.
Really, if the competitions didn't exist, I think I would still love it.
Well done. All done. Anthony Nesty has coached her since 2021. How good is Katie Ladecki?
Well, Katie's probably the best female swimmer ever. Nesty is a pioneer himself. The first black man to win an individual Olympic swimming gold medal. How does Katie compare to other swimmers that you've worked with? The most important thing about Katie is their passion of swimming.
I think she enjoys to grind more than competing, which is the day to day, the week to week, the month to month. She gives you 100% all the time. Ladecki has simply loved being in the water from the time she first jumped into a pool as a little girl. I just have so many happy memories of Those days, playing Marco Polo with my brother and all those little games. I never remember being fearful of the water or afraid of how cold it would be or afraid of any aspect of the sport.
It was always joy from the very beginning, it sounds like. Yeah, I think it was always joy. That passion runs in the family. Her mother Mary Jen and older brother Michael swam competitively. By age twelve, Katie Ladecki was out swimming other kids at a local swim club near her home in Bethesda, Maryland.
And in twenty twelve, she propelled herself to a spot on Team USA at the London Olympics. She was fifteen years old. Once I made the Olympic team, I, for whatever reason, was able to visualize myself. Winning the gold medal. How did you have that level of confidence at age 15?
I don't know. I think I just really trusted the work that I had put in. I think I. Just believed in myself. The 800-meter freestyle requires athletes to swim the length of the pool 16 times.
That's half a mile. In Ledecki's new book, Just Add Water, she recalls the crowd that day in London roaring for her competitor, the hometown favorite. But in the final laps, she seized that energy for herself. I very distinctly remember flipping at the 600. with 200 meters left.
And it was like waking up. I said to myself, I'm winning, I'm at the Olympics, you know, I'm beating these people next to me. 25 meters left for LaDecki. Don't mess this up. But LaDecki is a gold medalist.
In her international debut, LaDecki had won her first Olympic gold medal and gained global recognition, all while being the youngest member of Team USA. Katie Ledicky may have been swimming in London, but she still had to finish the summer reading assignments for her high school English class. Where's Katie? Yep, there she is. Ladeke continued to dominate swim competitions worldwide.
She went on to win six more Olympic gold medals at the twenty sixteen Rio Games and the Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one. Kathleen Genevieve Ledecki. Last month, those accomplishments brought Ladecki back to the White House, this time as the first swimmer ever to receive the nation's highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Katie Ledecki is the most decorated female swimmer in history. With 10 Olympic medals in county.
But recent revelations suggest LaDecki might have earned one more gold medal. In April, the New York Times reported 23 Chinese swimmers, including two who helped defeat Ladeki and her teammates in a relay race, had tested positive for a banned substance just months before the Tokyo Games. Chinese officials say the swimmers inadvertently ate contaminated food. The World Anti Doping Agency declined to take action. In this instance it doesn't seem like everything was followed to a T.
So I'd like to see some accountability here. I'd like to see some answers as to why this happened the way it did. And I'd really like to see that steps are taken for the future so that we can regain some confidence in the global system. And do you think the results of twenty twenty one need to be rescinded, reexamined? What would you like to see happen there?
I mean, I think the whole Case has to be re-examined independently and thoroughly and all the information needs to be out there. In a statement to Sunday morning, the World Anti-Doping Agency said it found compelling scientific evidence that pointed exclusively to the fact that this was a case of no-fault contamination and not doping. Wada followed every process and line of inquiry when reviewing this file. Quada says a new review is underway, but there's unlikely to be a resolution before the Paris Olympics, less than eight weeks away. It's hard going into Paris knowing that we're going to be racing some of these athletes and I think our our faith in some of the systems is At an all-time low.
You try not to think too much about when you're actually racing, and the best thing to do is to just. Go out there and try to win. And it's tough when you have in the back of your head that it's not necessarily an even playing field. Ledecki is 27 years old now, and even as she focuses on Paris, she's already looking ahead to 2028 when the Olympics are set to take place in Los Angeles. I think 2028 would be an incredible Cap on my career.
I don't even want to say that at this point because who knows, I could get to. Yeah. 2028, and say, no, I don't want to be done yet. I want to keep going. Yay!
As you're watching this, Katie Ladecki is scheduled to be back in the pool, just as she was yesterday and will be again tomorrow. savoring every bit of the grind. I want to tell you a story. It's a story about a scandal, broken relationships, gossip, rumors, money, corporate rivalry, and a broom. A performance enhancing broom.
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Twelve New York jurors have convicted former President Donald Trump on 34 counts for falsifying business records in an attempt to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. When the guilty verdicts were read this past week, America, in a tangible way, rechristened itself as a republic. it was a sobering reminder that every American is precisely equal before the law. I've always admired Thomas Jefferson for wanting no title before his name except mister. Like the other founders, he didn't want or expect special treatment under the law.
This is Lord Trump. Former President Trump's conviction proves that in the eyes of the law, even an ex-president is just another mister. It's also worth noting that this kind of jury trial never could have happened in the authoritarian countries that Mr. Trump so admires. Xi of China, Russia's Putin, Hungary's Orban, Erdogan of Turkey.
None would ever be tried by a jury of their peers. Unlike those countries, the United States vigorously upholds the rule of law. our founders ardently believed liberty and justice for all would bring monarchs, despots, and populist demagogues to heel. The good news is our judicial system ran a cogent and fair trial in New York. The Manhattan Criminal Court has changed American presidential history forever.
Out of 46 presidents, only mister Trump carries the ignoble albatross of convicted felon. It's a sad phrase, but it also gives reason to rejoice that Jefferson's Republic is new. all over again. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.
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