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National WWII Museum, BBQ, The World’s Bravest Tennis Player

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National WWII Museum, BBQ, The World’s Bravest Tennis Player

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Hosted by Jane Pauley. In our cover story, David Martin reports on how the National WWII Museum in New Orleans is preserving the stories of World War II veterans. Also: Mo Rocca talks with Kyra Sedgwick and her castmates in the Off-Broadway play "All of Me," a rom-com about disabled lovers; Tracy Smith profiles action movie icon Pam Grier; Erin Moriarty delves into the "crime of the century," the 1924 murder committed by thrill-killers Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb; Jon Wertheim interviews Russian tennis player Daria Kasatkina, who has criticized her country's invasion of Ukraine; and Lee Cowan samples some Texas BBQ by pitmasters who hail from Egypt, Vietnam and Japan.

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For many of us, it means cookouts, holiday getaways, and the unofficial start of summer. But of course, at its core, this weekend is about remembering our military fallen. We have a report this morning from David Martin about bringing their stories from the past, compellingly into the present, and even the future. Twelve thousand Americans in that town, held off fifty-six thousand German troops. Vincent Speranza died last year, but with artificial intelligence. Did you have any close calls?

I was trying to take a drink from my canteen. He and other World War II veterans can answer your questions. The thought that my great grandchildren could ask me anything that came to their minds. Talking to the past, coming up on Sunday Morning. One hundred years ago, the nation was shaken by news of a brutal and baffling murder. A crime so violent and senseless, the names of its perpetrators live on in infamy.

We asked our Erin Moriarty for a look back. Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. Before the O.J. Simpson trial, before the Son of Sam, there was Leopold and Loeb. This is the original ransom letter that they wrote prior to abducting Bobby Franks. One hundred years after the first so-called crime of the century.

Leopold and Loeb were criminal geniuses in their own minds. The case that haunts so many people to this day, later on Sunday Morning. She's being called the bravest player in tennis. With Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine well into its second year, John Wertheim introduces us to one of the sport's most compelling and courageous contenders. Daria Kazatkina is one of the world's top tennis players, but it's the Russian's actions and words off the court that are echoing around the globe, including inside her own country. The number one Russian tennis player in the world and someone from the sports ministry wants to call you a foreign agent.

That was weird, but he didn't succeed. Ahead on Sunday Morning, the bravest player in tennis and why she can't go home. As we mentioned, it's a weekend for cookouts coast to coast. A good time for Lee Cowan to sample some smokin' hot barbecue. That's the talk of Texas. Mo Rocca catches up with Kira Sedgwick, who's just opened in a new off-Broadway show. Tracy Smith is talking with Pam Greer, whose iconic 70s roles revolutionized action movies. Plus, a story from Steve Hartman and more this Sunday morning for the 26th of May, 2024. And we'll be back after this. Here's a cool fact. A crocodile can't stick out its tongue.

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Visitors to the National World War II Museum in New Orleans can still talk to him. Did you have any close calls? I was trying to take a drink from my canteen, and it slipped out of my hands.

And when I bent over to pick up the canteen and pulled it right through my helmet, had I been standing, it would have went right through the middle of my chest. It uses voice recognition software and artificial intelligence to access questions from interviews that we've had with all of the veterans, where we've asked them roughly a thousand questions. Museum Vice President Peter Crane is in a race against time to preserve not just the stories, but the people who live them. Unfortunately, we're coming to a time where there are fewer and fewer World War II veterans to be able to actually talk to. 18 veterans of the war effort each sat for two days of interviews in a specially configured Hollywood studio.

Bomber pilot John Luckadoo was one. It was an intriguing concept, extremely so. What intrigued you? The thought that my great, great, great grandchildren could speak to me and ask me anything that came to their minds, and that it would automatically scroll to my answer.

Not just your great, great grandchildren, everybody's great, great grandchildren. Yes, anyone. Anyone will be able to. Anyone will be able to ask Woody Williams about seeing the flag raised on Iwo Jima. The Old Glory was flying had just reached its peak when they raised it on top of Mount Suribachi.

And I didn't see it go up, but I saw it the minute it got up. Until his passing, Williams was the war's last living recipient of the Medal of Honor. I received the Medal of Honor for eliminating the enemy within seven pillboxes on Iwo Jima. The war wasn't won just on the battlefield.

I was a good machinist, I think, because I loved math. Grace Brown was a Rosie the Riveter who made parts for bombers. The war was fought and won by the average guy who was down the street or the woman who was a nurse or working in the factory. John Luckadoo was 20 years old when he flew bombing missions over Germany. They were about as dangerous as you can imagine because we were going up against a very formidable German Air Force that had been fighting for four years. How many missions did you fly? If you survived 25, you were eligible to return to the United States. What were the odds of surviving 25 missions? Less than one in four. We didn't know what we were doing.

Now 102 years old, Luckadoo got his first look at how he'll be remembered. What was your worst mission? As we turned on the bomb run, we had an 18-ship formation.

We lost 12 out of the 18 ships instantly. So what do you think of your answers? Kind of eerie to speak to yourself. So that's the self that generations are going to know. All right.

You good with that? It'll be interesting to see how the generations react to it. It's not very important as to how I react to it. React not just to his war stories, but to what happened when he came home. They rationed us to a fifth of whiskey in a day. I soon realized that that wasn't enough. I was rapidly becoming an alcoholic. Young generations are going to find out that too about you. Well, I did want to convey the fact that this is the kind of state that you could be left in if you were experiencing what we experienced in those days. That war does that, can do that to you.

I'm sorry. It's overwhelming. Corbett Summers, whose father served in World War II, was one of the first members of the public to see the new exhibit.

Everyone should have that opportunity to see that generation. I could stand there all day and talk to each and every one of them and listen to their stories and what they went through. Fear in war is something that's always there. You can read all the great histories of the war and never find a better answer to why soldiers fight than from the late Vincent Speranza. In your mind, swirling around, the most important thought you had was, am I going to be able to stand up? And my friends afterwards said to me, yes, you're a combat soldier.

More than 600,000 visitors a year... I was assigned to the 99th Fighter Squadron, part of the 332nd Fighter Group in Italy. ...can hear firsthand from veterans like Tuskegee Airman George Hardy about a time when it was all on the line. Lives had been expended to protect our freedom and our values and what we considered our ideals and democracy. Do you think people today have a good understanding of World War II? Certainly not. The biggest thing they don't understand is how the civilian population, those who were not in uniform, and particularly women, rallied behind the war effort.

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Oh man. This is KG Barbecue in Austin, Texas. The rice bowl is a great introduction. Where pitmaster Karim El-Ghaesh has blended the flavors of ancient Egypt with an age-old cowboy tradition.

It's a combo I've never heard of before. Yeah, I've never seen pomegranate seeds on barbecue. His presentation is as unique as the taste. Each dish looks like a landscape painted with the vibrant colors of the Middle East.

Meats of all sorts, including lamb and kofta sausages, are seasoned with cumin, coriander and turmeric. My goal was to present something that looks familiar, but then you go and try it and it's an explosion of flavors. Karim first came to Texas from Cairo on a whim. I mean, I know western movies, I know cowboys and country music.

He never tasted Texas barbecue, but when he did, recreating it for himself became his life's work. Sounds like you became a little obsessed with figuring out how to do it. Just a little bit, yeah.

Just a little bit. He was a finance executive back in Cairo, where in his spare time he would go searching for a cut of brisket to try his hand at his newfound love. I would go with the cow chart, you know, on my phone. This is where the brisket is, like, can you cut it? Ten years after his very first taste of Texas barbecue, Karim opened his own food truck. And within months, his Egyptian-style barbecue had earned a nomination for a prestigious James Beard Award.

Don't ask me how. I think it's beautiful. I think it's like a work of art. I can't wait to eat this. I really think a lot of the immigrants who are coming to Texas specifically see barbecue as a way, like a palate, to bring the flavors of their culture to the forefront. That's Daniel Vaughn, the highly influential barbecue editor for Texas Monthly. We've got crispy pig skin right here.

We found him at the magazine's annual barbecue fest in Lockhart this past fall. Oh, that's the good sound right there. Hovering around a whole pig being prepared by Don Nguyen, who along with his brother Theo, started a Vietnamese-style pop-up in Houston called Koi Barbecue. What I'm kind of doing on top is just a little fried onion oil.

This dish, for example, offers pork shoulder on a bed of vermicelli noodles, then flavored with a Vietnamese fish sauce. This is spot on right here. Have you ever tasted anything like this?

No. That's unique. I see people who sort of rail against the idea of all these changes in Texas barbecue. But when you sit them down with that plate in front of them, they're rarely arguing about whether it's good or not, right? They're certainly lining up at this Asian-style Texas smokehouse called Kamuri Tatsuya, also in Austin.

Chef Tatsu Aikawa is Tokyo-born, but he's Texas-raised, so he doesn't see his barbecue as some kind of trendy fusion. To him, it's just as natural as pairing salt and pepper. What I make is, it just comes through me, you know, as an experience.

That's why I don't like to use the word fusion, you know what I mean? I think to me it's deeper than that. He too has been racking up awards for items like his barbecue bento box, where diners can take brisket, put it on a bed of rice and garlic, wrap it in nori, and then just eat it like a hand roll. Good. Then there's this hugely popular ramen dish, where barbecue brisket is served atop thick, slurp-worthy noodles, accompanied with a pork bone broth for dipping. It kind of craves this thickness where it kind of coats the whole noodle.

Texas barbecue is almost perfect, you know, to its form, and I respect it. So to me, I'm just creating vehicles to showcase and highlight. I'm not trying to alter what it is. These are about maybe six, seven hours in.

Neither is Karim Elgayesh. I'm just someone that followed my brain, you know. I'm like, this is what I want to do, so I'm just going to do it. Follow your heart, I guess. Yeah, follow my heart too.

Exactly, follow my heart. He just got his U.S. citizenship last year, and he now proudly wears an American flag on his barbecue apron, right next to his Egyptian pendant. A Texan by way of Cairo, who just put a few more notches in the nation's barbecue belt.

I love introducing people to Egypt and its food and its culture, and it's a great way to do it through Texas barbecue. I better warn you, I got a black belt in karate. And I got my black belt in barstool. Fifty years after her performance in the classic action film Foxy Brown, Pam Grier isn't kicking quite as much butt these days, but she's still thrilling audiences. Tracy Smith has our Sunday profile. Have no fear, Pam Grier is here. To the movie-going public, Pam Grier really was a one-woman hit squad.

She was a gun-toting goddess who made her name in films like Coffee and the immortal Foxy Brown, where she fought against low-life drug dealers and the idea that a woman couldn't outfight a man. I swear, baby, I don't know what you're talking about. So you didn't realize at the time you were the first female action hero. Yeah, I was too tall, I'm feet too big.

What can I tell you? I didn't fit the plan or anything. So you changed the plan. I changed it, but it was welcomed. It was welcomed all right.

In the 1970s, the height of the blaxploitation film era, Pam Grier was the undisputed queen of the genre and one of the few female lead action stars ever. What are you doing here? I'm delivering the milk. And not a lot of other women saw it to emulate me because it's harsh.

Firing a gun, arms frighten people. Standing up to authority, standing up to injustice is daunting, and I didn't know any better, I guess. Pam, in front of you. Pam, this way, please, up top. But she always seemed to win and, in a long career, graduated to roles that didn't involve breaking heads. You're a great teacher.

Like this one, opposite Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks. I got a whiff of this chaff. These smell like grilled onions. What's going on with you?

Why do you have these? And now, she's the mother of an L.A. homicide cop in the second season of the hit horror series Them, now streaming on Amazon Prime. You're lying. Grandma? Grandma, are you okay?

You must get offered a lot of projects. What made you decide to say yes to this one, to them, the scare? Insanity. Because I'm not good with bumping a night, you know, I'm not good. I lock the doors, turn on the lights, don't sneak up behind me. You don't like to be scared?

Nope. But there have been times when her real life was scarier than anything in a movie house. Pamela Suzette Greer was born 75 years ago today, May 26th. An Air Force brat who was raised near bases from North Carolina to the U.K.

Her family eventually settled in Colorado, where young Pam learned some of the things that would help her later on. I had this rawness, you know, from the hood that I didn't have to learn how to ride a horse. I didn't have to learn how to spank them behind. I didn't have to learn how to throw a skillet. You know, these things came with my craft. No one escapes from my prison.

No one! And to perfect that craft, she went to L.A. in the 60s, where she was discovered, and subsequently cast, in a series of tough prison girl movies like Women in Cages and The Big Bird Cage. As her fame grew, her love life got attention too. She never married, but Greer was romantically linked to a number of high-profile men, among them comic legend Richard Pryor. Do you think you could have married Richard Pryor? Uh, for a day.

I've left relationships not falling out of love, but not being loved. And there's a difference. Maybe my husband's partner mate was filmmaking. By the mid-80s, she was a fixture in Hollywood, on screens big and small. And then, her life hit a pretty big bump. So, you're having this great career ride, and suddenly in, what, 1988, you go to the doctor, and they give you this cancer diagnosis, and they told you you had 18 months to live?

Yes. My world literally came to a screeching halt that day in the office. It's very serious, because it's a stage four, and we found it in wider areas in your body.

And that's how we evolved. They couldn't say cancer. They said the C-word. The C-word. They didn't say cancer. We said the C-word, and I was like, uh, you can say cancer, and I'm going to give it my all. Excuse me, folks, but we've got to make it on schedule.

Stop! And her all was enough. She recovered and started to put her career back on track. Turns out Pam Grier had fans in high places, something she found out by accident while watching a Quentin Tarantino film. In the 1990s, you go to the theater with your friends to see this little movie, Reservoir Dogs. Yes. And you got quite a shock.

Yes, I did. In the car, they bring up this woman who is this crime fighter named Foxy Brown. Pam Grier did the film.

Christy Love was like a Pam Grier TV show without Pam Grier. And I'm sitting there, and everyone goes, and they turn around and point to me. Not long after that, she met Tarantino in person, who told her he was writing a screenplay with her in mind. And I didn't believe it. You didn't believe it. No, because he's the number one premier filmmaker, pop filmmaker in the world.

I mean, the world. And he says, no, seriously, I'm going to send it to you. I was the first brother of five And it was bigger than she ever imagined. Pam Grier was the title character in Quentin Tarantino's Jackie Brown, opposite Samuel Jackson, Robert De Niro, and Michael Keaton. What kind of bag she gave you? She didn't give me a bag.

Melanie was not a part of the plan. Not surprisingly, the experience turned her into a big Tarantino fan. Man, I hope he doesn't retire. I don't know what to, I'll babysit his children so he can go to work. I don't want him to retire. There's so much more to him.

And he may not want to give it, but I've been just fortunate to experience his lessons, his joy he's shared with me. Look at that. Oh, my God.

And it seems the joy continues. In a storefront attached to his Vista Theater in Los Angeles, Quentin Tarantino built a coffee shop This is the end of your rotten life, you dope pusher. named for one of Pam Grier's most famous characters. So have you seen this before?

No, I wanted to save it for you. Inside, the place is basically a shrine with her face on everything from posters to coffee cups. Is it a little overwhelming? Yes, a lot overwhelming. Pam Grier seems comfortable with being an icon as long as it means she can keep doing what she loves. How long do you think you're going to keep filmmaking? Tell them about a hundred. You take small steps, you still move forward, and my steps might get really small when I get older.

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Inside a specially designed box at the Chicago History Museum sits a century-old pair of tortoiseshell-framed eyeglasses. A chilling reminder, says Paul Dureka, the museum's director of exhibitions, of one of the most troubling crimes in American history, the 1924 kidnapping and murder of a 14-year-old boy in Chicago. It came seemingly out of nowhere. Americans, sadly, were becoming more accustomed to violent crime, particularly in connection with prohibition, but not a case like this. A case that remains justice disturbing today.

It happened on May 21, 1924, in the affluent Chicago neighborhood of Kenwood. The killers were 19-year-old Nathan Leopold and 18-year-old Richard Loeb. Both were academically gifted young men. Leopold was about to start law school at Harvard.

Both grew up with great wealth and privilege. One of the most horrible aspects about this case is that from the very beginning, Leopold and Loeb knew that they wanted to kidnap a young person and kill that person. And they were going to develop this kidnap and ransom plot simply as a ruse to throw off investigators. That's what they wanted to get away with. The perfect murder.

The thrill-kill murder of Bobby Franks dominated headlines around the world for months and inspired numerous books, plays, and movies over the years since, including Alfred Hitchcock's Rope. His body went limp, and I knew it was over. And then? Then I felt tremendously exhilarated.

How did you feel? Well, what you're looking at is the Harvard School for Boys. So this was a preparatory school here in Chicago.

Bobby had stayed after school to umpire a baseball game. The victim began his two-block walk home around 5 p.m. At the same time, says Derica, Leopold and Loeb were driving through the neighborhood in a rented car looking for a boy. Any boy to kill. Because he wasn't in a group of other kids, it made him kind of a perfect target. But a car pulls up to the side of him, and someone calls out his name, and that person is Richard Loeb. Bobby Franks knew Loeb. They were distant cousins. He got into the car and was never seen alive again.

I mean, Bobby was just a boy trying to get home. So how quickly did the whole thing happen? Oh, within a minute or two. He's just gone? He's just gone.

He's just vanished. Investigators believe that Franks was killed immediately. Leopold and Loeb, who had planned the murder for months, discarded the boy's body 11 miles away at an isolated railroad yard. The killers, avid readers of crime stories, later sent a typed ransom note to the Franks' home.

In fact, the ransom note was lifted almost word for word from a story called The Kidnapping Syndicate that had appeared in Detective Story magazine. Leopold and Loeb, says Dorica, arrogantly thought they'd never be connected to the boy's murder. But they were quickly tripped up by those eyeglasses made by New York optician Almer Coe and Company. And the unsung hero, if there is a hero in this whole story, is the Almer Coe employee who went through 54,000 records and was able to determine that there were three pairs of glasses that matched the prescription, the type of frame, and critically, the type of hinge that was used.

One pair belonged to Leopold, who had dropped the glasses at the rail yard. After a typewriter he owned was tied to the ransom note, he and Loeb were interrogated and both quickly cracked. This is the original ransom letter that they wrote prior to abducting Bobby Franks. That typed ransom letter that demanded $10,000 in unmarked bills, an amount equivalent to $180,000 today, is now part of extensive archives kept at Northwestern University. Kevin Leonard, the university historian, discovered it inside a vault at the law school, along with transcripts of the killer's chilling confessions.

And it is grisly and disturbing. I will confess to you, I never finished the confessions because they were so cold. I never got a sense of any remorse there. It was just really difficult for me to read. But was there anything in there that gave you some sense why these young men would do this? No, I've never in my own mind been able to resolve that problem. It remains a mystery.

It's not just historians who grapple with that mystery. Do you remember the very first article that you read? Was it a headline?

Yeah, it was. The boys admit to murder or something like that. I remember thinking, oh God, that's my great uncle and good Lord, I'm related to this family. Ernie Nathan is Richard Loeb's great nephew. A relative of mine could kill another person.

That bugged me a lot, it really did. All my other relatives on Loeb's side are very nice people. They were civic-minded. It was shocking to everyone who knew the families. Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold, seen here alongside their defense attorney, famed orator Clarence Darrow, were examined by countless doctors and alienists, the title used by psychiatrists at the time, trying to understand what drove these teenagers to kill. They really love to tell the story. They go into great detail with investigators about how the crime was planned, how it was committed.

They don't look like people who are particularly concerned about the consequences of their actions. Every aspect of their lives was dissected, including their rumored intimate relationship. Well, they had a codependent relationship and they did push each other to antisocial acts. Both men pleaded guilty and faced death by hanging, but their lives were saved by Darrow, who argued at sentencing that Bobby Frank's murder could only have been the senseless act of immature and deceased children. The city wanted them hung and Darrow got them life in prison instead. That life sentence ended in death for Loeb, who was murdered by a fellow inmate in 1936. Leopold was paroled in 1958.

I hope all of you feel that a third of a century spent in prison has been severe punishment and are happy to see me free. To this day, the motive remains elusive. Why did they do it? Ernest Nathan believes neither Leopold nor Loeb would have committed the murder on his own. You say when the two, Leopold and Loeb, got together, they became a third person.

Yes. This Anna, the boy's mother, this young Richard. Two years ago, Ernest Nathan donated his family's personal papers to Northwestern University, including this letter Richard Loeb wrote his parents from prison.

Dear Momsie and Popsie, this thing is all too terrible. I've thought and thought about it and even now I don't seem to be able to understand it. I just can't seem to figure out how it all came about. I mean, he leaves the Harvard School and he's really just like about two blocks away from his house. For the past 16 years, Paul Dureka has been offering walking tours of the Kenwood neighborhood, always stopping at the home where Bobby Franks once lived. What always gets lost in the story is Bobby, the victim. In a strange and unsettling way, it might suggest that we're more like Leopold and Loeb than we would like to be.

They wanted to pull off the perfect crime, and they didn't pull off the perfect crime, but they did commit a memorable one, and we're still talking about them a century later. The NBA Finals are heating up. Looking for hot takes on all the postseason action? The Old Man and the Three, presented by BMW, is the podcast to listen to for the ultimate Finals coverage. Host and former NBA sharpshooter J.J. Redick not only has a plugged in perspective on the action from his time in the league, but he's also announcing the games in real time for ESPN.

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Go to today. Feel comfortable about tomorrow. On this weekend marking the unofficial start of summer, Steve Hartman is thinking about a dream deferred many summers ago. It's a summer vacation tradition as old as overpacking. You load the kids in the car and head off down the road with a set plan for where you're going and when you'll get there. And that's when your children look out those darn windows. In back seats across the country this summer, they'll be begging. Can we go there?

Or how about there? And although parents can obviously say no, you need to be aware. Your children may never forgive you. For example, when I was about eight or nine, we were driving through Gatlinburg, Tennessee when I spotted Hillbilly Golf, a mini golf course where you got to ride a funicular to the first hole. My parents sped past and I never forgot. So I reached out on Facebook looking for other stories of other parents who never stopped at other places.

And I got a lot of co-misery. Dutch Wonderland. You knew you would have fun, but we just drove right past it.

It's called the Crater of Diamonds and I could never understand why my dad would not let us dig for diamonds. Dinosaur world? It was a giant dinosaur. How could you not stop with a giant dinosaur? Some live a lifetime and never see beyond the glossy brochure of their wishful thinking.

But not me. I recently returned to Gatlinburg and got a surprise my younger self could have never imagined. This is worth the wait. Turns out Hillbilly Golf is still in business. It's just like I remember it too. So finally, I rode up and saw for the first time the course of my dreams.

Built right into the side of a mountain. And even though I'm not a great putter, not by a short shot, I can tell you after 18 holes of excitement and excuses, I sincerely believe my parents did me a favor. Delayed gratification beats instant every time. And saying no helps kids grow.

Which is why when I got home and showed my kids pictures from the trip, I decided to give them something to look forward to in 50 years. I'll fly away. I'd like to say how sorry I am that I was unable to ignore your general level of incompetence in the wrongly obtained conviction in the case of Bill Krelick. It's Sunday morning on CBS. And here again is Jane Pauley. That's Keira Sedgwick in TV's The Closer.

It's a role that won her an Emmy along with a Golden Globe. Now she's on stage off Broadway and in conversation with our Mo Rocca. Oh Julia, we've all been so worried. Are you alright? I'm fine Grandma.

It's been more than 40 years since Keira Sedgwick first appeared on TV on the soap opera Another World. Where are you? I'm with the Deep Six. Where's that? That's not a where. That's a rock group. Oh my God. I'm on the road with a rock group, Grandma.

It's called the Deep Six. Yeah, that was my opening scene in Another World. I was 16 years old and that's when I fell in love with acting.

In the decades since, she's co-starred in movies like Born on the Fourth of July. I want to go to New York. New York? Mr. and Mrs. Bridge.

The city can be the very devil. I don't need to be your girlfriend. I just want to know you again. And singles. What took you so long? She headlined the hit TV series The Closer. And she's directed for the big and small screens. So what's she doing in a 157-seat theater off-Broadway?

Have you done your physical therapy yet, Lucy? I love the play. And it feels like we're talking about stuff that's important, that doesn't get a lot of light shown on it, which is disability, but doing it in this incredible container of a rom-com and like a family dysfunction story, which is my jam.

Family dysfunction is my jam. I want to stitch that on a pillow for you. Yes, exactly.

It's so true, though. In All of Me by playwright Laura Winters, Sedgwick plays Connie, the working-class mother of Lucy. Dr. Helen wants to give me medical marijuana. Nice! What? Who uses a scooter and communicates primarily by a text-to-speech technology.

Hi, my name is Alfonso and I just moved here from Manhattan. Disconnectity. As does Lucy's romantic interest, Alfonso.

Did someone die? I think people might be afraid if there's two people in wheelchairs that it's going to be sad. And it's anything but. It's hilarious.

So you hooked up with a lot of people. I think you need to win a special Tony for side eye. Thank you. She has the best side eye. Just for side eye. I've been practicing all my life.

May I kiss you? Madison Faris and Danny J. Gomez play the romantic leads. They say they like the play for not indulging in what's been called inspiration porn. What is inspiration porn? It's like, look at this disabled person.

He just scored the basket at the end and everyone picks him up. And, you know, it's like, he's so inspirational. Or they have like a special skill that no one else can do.

They might have existed through life never hacking a computer in their life. And then once they become disabled, like that's their main talent. Total savant. Yeah, yeah. The play explores the often low expectations placed on disabled people.

I want to be a therapist. Oh, no you don't. Since when?

Something Faris and Gomez understand well. I had a mountain biking accident that left me paralyzed from the waist down. I didn't think anything in life was possible. But, as people with disabilities, we are the best adapters of life.

Like, we adapt to any situation. I think my mom kind of expected me to stay home and live with her. And boy, did I prove her wrong. Faris, who has muscular dystrophy, exceeded those expectations.

Making her professional debut on Broadway opposite Sally Field in The Glass Menagerie. I'm going to ask Alfonso if I can move in with him. Sure. The push and pull between parent and child is something Kira Sedgwick has thought a lot about. Since her own two kids with husband, actor Kevin Bacon, left the nest.

Complete this sentence. If you've done your job as a mother, then? Your kids leave. Yeah, your kids leave. They just don't need you in the same way that really they can survive without you.

Just kind of heartbreaking. I mean, I will always wake up in the morning and the first thing I think about is them. But they don't need me for their day to day. Sedgwick and Bacon have been married for more than 35 years. How does the stability of your current family, you and Kevin and your two kids, compare with the family you grew up in? Oh, they're very different. I mean, no question.

My father left when I was two and a half and left my mom with three kids. I mean, I just think there's trauma there, right? Like, there's trauma. No one gets out of life with the trauma.

No one does. When Sedgwick was six years old, her mother married renowned art collector Ben Heller. What was that world like? It was like a whole other world.

I mean, you know, we had been kids who played tag in the house and I was really tomboy. And then suddenly it was like there were Rothko's and there were Pollocks and Gottliebs and like we had to be careful because we were surrounded by important art. And that felt clear, like this is important art.

So you should be important, too. Once she showed talent, the expectations on her were raised. Once I started to act, suddenly my parents were like, oh, there's something really... I felt them shift their attention in a way that felt pretty intense, actually. I think they had high expectations for me and I had high expectations of myself. And do you think that that was good, those expectations? Well, I think it's paid off.

I mean, I really think it's paid off. At, you know, 57, 58, I'm producing a lot of things that will be high profile and directing things that will be high profile. And I guess the message for me is don't believe people when they tell you you really shouldn't even try. There's people better than you in that. Stand up and be counted.

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Fuel up at Shell. She's been called the bravest player in tennis, but that has little to do with her performance on the court. John Wertheim, joining us from 60 Minutes, explains why. Did you know you had this level of courage in you? Are you surprising yourself right now? Yes, I was. You are? Yeah, because I'm in general a very careful person. I will think 300 times before saying something if some topic like this will come up. I will most probably just sit in the corner without saying anything.

But then in one moment I just realized that no, I cannot just sit and not say anything. For the first half dozen years of her pro career, Daria Kazatkina was known as an ascending player whose tennis was predicated on brains, not brawn. Using her racket less as a high-powered weapon than a scalpel. She was known throughout tennis by her nickname, Dasha. She was not known for being political or particularly outspoken. Then in February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine.

And she condemned her country for it. Two years ago you had called Russia's invasion of Ukraine a full-blown nightmare. How do you see that nightmare ending now? I don't know honestly. I don't see the end right now. It seems like it's stuck in one spot and doesn't go anywhere.

All I want is to finish as soon as possible. Like hell of a situation. And it's been too long. Five months after the invasion, Kazatkina, emboldened, made another statement she knew could trigger backlash in Russia. A country famously hostile to gay rights.

Will you still love me when I'm no longer young? She was in a relationship with another Russian athlete. Natasha Zabiako, a former Olympic skater. When you decided to come out and announce your relationship with Natasha, you did it on social media. What was the reaction as you perceived it? Well, the reaction was loud, but I never regretted about it because I realized that it was keeping me so tight.

Like I couldn't be exactly like the hundred percent myself in life and then on the tennis courts as well because all these things are connected. After this I just started to feel so much better. This volley of candor changed her life and her status, not least with her homeland. Your relationship with Russia is complicated, isn't it?

Well, not exactly with Russia. I love my country. Like before the war started, I spent so good quality time there. I really was enjoying coming back there, spending time with my family, friends. I felt like a fish in the water.

Now, probably not. She was born in Toyate, an industrial city bisected by the Volga River, 600 miles east of Moscow. A natural athlete, Kazatkina was drawn to tennis. She turned pro as a teenager, and by 2018, aged 21, she was one of the world's top players, winning tournaments.

During breaks from the tour, she relished returning home. No more. She hasn't been back to Russia since the invasion began more than two years ago. It's been made clear that she's not welcome. There was a Russian politician that called for you to be labeled a foreign agent. Well, yes, this guy actually works in the sport ministry, so he actually supposed to improve sport in our country and support athletes. This action doesn't seem exactly like that.

He didn't succeed. Though three of her brothers have left the country and moved away to Canada, her elderly parents choose to remain in Russia. Do you worry about them? I always worry about them, about them, about the people I love, of course. I can have my thoughts, but they are my parents.

If I want them to respect my decisions, I have to respect their decisions. Now 27, she hopscotches the globe from tournament to tournament. But with no real base, she lives out of suitcases, putting in training blocks when and where she can.

She is simultaneously a tennis star... You have to find the balance. ...and a tennis nomad. Your passport gets a lot of stamps. You go to a lot of places. So much. Many visas, many stamps. One week it's Dubai, one week it's this tennis academy in Spain, where we met her in April during a rare off-week.

Basically, for me, the best day off is when I don't have a plan for a day, where I can just do whatever I feel in a certain moment. But she's not alone. She and Zabiako go everywhere together, leading the kind of open life they feel they could not in Russia. So she slid into your DMs? That's how you met?

Yeah, and pretending like she loves tennis. I know it a little bit. Now more. Now much more, yeah. Now you're traveling the circuit, just like Dasha is.

Yeah, and I didn't miss one game since we met, actually. Cooking with Dasha and Natasha. To chronicle their journey, literally and metaphorically, and perhaps to find some sense of place, they produce a popular video series on YouTube. Natasha is quick to note that Natasha does the heavy lifting. First of all, I like that we have something to do together.

I love that it helps you to relax a little bit, because tennis is so tough and you can enjoy a little bit more. But Kazatkina also confronts weightier topics. When Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny died suspiciously in February, Kazatkina showed solidarity with Navalny's widow. He wanted to show that he's not scared, he's not afraid, and that people don't have to be afraid. That was very brave for him. Maybe too brave that he had to pay.

The payment was too high. Do you fear what the Russian government might do to you and your family? Well, so far, I think I didn't cross this line so that they can do something. So I hope not. Do you think there's a line that you know not to cross? There's always a line. She hasn't ruled out returning to Russia.

In fact, she is eager to. Constant feeling of missing your home. But first, she says, there are conditions the country would have to meet. Obviously, war has to end and a few laws have to be changed.

Homophobic laws you're talking about. They have to be changed in order for me to feel safe going back. I'm missing my home and one day I want to come back. When this day will come, nobody knows. But I will wait for it.

Like when I was a kid, I wish that I can do, when I will grow up, I can do the right things. So it seems like I didn't betray that small girl. You've done right by that little girl.

Yeah, I hope so. Kazatkina's activism has not exacted a price on her tennis. She's playing as well as ever.

And she resists any suggestion she is following in the tradition of Billie Jean King, Arthur Ashe and Martina Navratilova, tennis players who use their platforms to highlight injustice. But her moral courage has been deeply affecting to her partner. I'm proud of Dasha, not only because of this, but I'm proud of her every day, even in bad days.

It doesn't matter. I'm proud of you every day, every single day. And I'm proud of you too. But you both made a decision that I think a lot of people agonize over. It doesn't sound like either of you have any regrets about the way you've come out and led your life and conducted yourself these last two years. Yeah, zero, zero regrets.

Only zero regrets. As for her message to fellow Russians, Daria Kazatkina says it's quite simple. Don't be scared. Everything's going to be all right. Sounds a lot like Navalny's message.

Yeah. I really believe that a laughing kindness will win at the end. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.

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