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That's right. Wednesday is Valentine's Day. Of course, today is Super Bowl Sunday, and we'll have plenty to say about that as well. But while millions are looking forward to the big game, one thing that's certainly more universal than our love of football is love itself. And where there's love, there is, on occasion, regret. As Susan Spencer will tell us.

So what's the main takeaway? Author Daniel Pink, who's been studying romantic regret for half a decade, has some Valentine's Day advice you may want to hear. If you're somebody you want to ask out on a date, here's what's going to happen in 10 years. If you don't do it, you're going to still be thinking about it and likely regret it. If you do it and get rejected, you're going to be over it in a few weeks. It's going to be date night everywhere. Romantic regret and what it can teach us about finding love.

Coming up on Sunday Morning. Among the year's most memorable film performances, actor Paul Giamatti's depiction of a curmudgeonly school instructor looking after some students over Christmas break. His performance has been called a masterclass in melancholy. Leslie Stahl has a Sunday profile.

Kenny is the hottest young programmer in New York City. Over his 30-year career, Paul Giamatti has played a founding father, an orangutan, and a very opinionated wine enthusiast. But off-camera, later on Sunday morning, the Oscar-nominated Paul Giamatti. Faith Salie this morning will take us to a make-believe town a TV show has put on the map.

It's going to be all right. For more than 10 years, When Calls the Heart has been one of Hallmark Channel's highest-rated shows. But the most remarkable thing about the show might be its fans, the Hardys. I feel like God used the Hardys to help me out. Ahead on Sunday morning, a little show with a big heart. Tracy Smith is in conversation with breakout star Charles Melton from the movie May-December. Plus a Valentine's Day visit with Josh Seftel and his mom. Commentary from our Luke Burbank and more this Sunday morning for February 11, 2024.

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Kapakin, now 57, says one of her big regrets goes back to when she was just 22. So tell me the story of the one that got away. Back in 1989, I was in Jamaica and I met a young man and after a week together, I felt like I had fallen in love with him. They briefly had to part ways, he to London to study theater, she to Afghanistan to cover the war. But they soon reunited for 10 romantic days in England.

I thought, this guy's it. I am in love. This is the relationship of my lifetime. Alas, it was not to be. He said he was going to come visit me in Paris two weeks later and I was in my apartment waiting around. He never showed up. What do you mean he never showed up? He just never showed up. Back then, of course, there were no cell phones, no internet.

He had a very common name and it's not like you could find somebody back then with a common name, right? So he's just gone. He's gone. How would you react to this?

I mean, how would you react? I was sad. And I was also confused and heartbroken. Do you think that romantic regret can last a lifetime?

Yes. I mean, we see people in their 80s, in their 90s with these romantic regrets. It sticks with people. Romantic regret, like all regret, is universal, says Washington, D.C. author Daniel Pink. Everybody has regrets. I mean, we have evidence from neuroscience, from social psychology, from cognitive science that the only people who truly don't have regrets are five-year-olds. People with certain kinds of neurodegenerative diseases don't have regrets and sociopaths don't have regrets. Everybody else has regrets. For his book on the subject, Pink collected more than 26,000 regrets, many of them from the Lovelorn. So this is the database of the regrets you see up here.

A vast inventory of unfulfilled love from 134 countries. Not asking out a high school friend on a date. Look at this. High school. High school is 53. That's 35 years ago. That's the most common regret, he says, not taking action.

I turned down a second chance in the relationship with someone I loved. She's 40. She lives in Maryland. Oh, dear. Oh, here we go. How about this one right here? Not telling her I loved her. Exclamation point.

54-year-old man from Wisconsin. We're interviewing an art critic who thinks that romantic regret is an underlying theme in much great art. What's your take on that? I think that it could be. I mean, I think that if it's painting or sculpture or works on paper, it could be another way to make sense of this feeling. But that's the good thing about it, you know. Jackson Arne is that art critic.

He writes for The New Yorker. If the premise is that romantic regret is universal, is art the proof of that? I think art is the proof of that. No matter what else the painting is about, no matter what else the work of art is about, you can almost hear it humming underneath all the other melodies, so to speak. He says that wistful humming can be heard all over the Metropolitan Museum of Art, where we met for our interview. Rodan had a Ph.D. in regret, as far as I'm concerned.

And it's not just Rodan. Examples through the ages are in museums all over the world. It could be Edvard Munch falling in and out of love with an older married woman, and he turned the experience into a whole series of paintings called Love and Pain.

How about Edward Hopper? I mean, I think of those solitary figures, and something has happened there. That's the thing.

Something has happened. Maybe it's sexual. Maybe it's romantic.

You also had picked a painting by Kerry James Marshall called Could This Be Love? Could this be love? That's always the question, isn't it? We are seeing a romantic scene, but we don't know whether they're coming or going. We don't know if they're beginning an affair or if they're ending the affair. It could be love. It could be the end of love. And you've even gone so far, I think, as to say that love and heartbreak might even be the main reason to make art. Love has always been a great cause of pain, and art is sometimes the best therapy for it.

For Debra Kapakin, the best therapy is what she recommends in her book, Learn from Regret. That's what she did 21 years after her Paris heartbreak when she finally tracked down the one that got away. And I wrote an email, and I said, hey, are you the same John Doe that stood me up in Paris back in 1989? Jerk. And he wrote back pages and pages saying, I did go to Paris.

I arrived in Paris. I didn't have the piece of paper with your phone number on it. I ended up staying at a youth hostel, and I never found you again.

Movies have been made about this. I know. And a fair to remember, this is exactly what happened to you. I was looking up. It was the nearest thing to heaven.

You were there. Oh, darling. I love that movie. You have a unique perspective on that movie.

Kapakin and her old love reunited for lunch on a bench in Central Park. But unlike in the movies, they did not then ride off together into the sunset. Both were already married. And it's not that I wanted to marry him.

It's not that I wanted to blow up two families. That would have been terrible, right? But it did make me understand what was lacking in my marriage. I realized at that moment that my marriage was faltering and I needed to get out of it.

Which brings us back to that Brooklyn waterfront. Now divorced and 35 years since Paris, Kapakin has found true love with someone new. Happier, perhaps, because of her past regrets.

No surprise to author Daniel Pink. We have this emotion regret that makes us feel bad. So why would it be so ubiquitous? And it's because it's useful if we treat it right and we haven't been treating it right. What we should be doing is looking it in the eye, acknowledging it, thinking about it, using it as data. You can choose to decide whether you can use that regret as fuel.

If you use regret to make changes, positive changes in your life, then regret is the best fuel in the world. There's young love and not so young love. Here's Josh Seftel and his mom on Matters of the Heart. When's the beauty parlor? Friday. Why do you do Fridays so that you're ready for the weekend?

Of course. I want to talk with you about Tinder. The only thing I know about it is that they show faces of the people that want to meet other people and they pick you by how you look. If you swipe to the left, you skip the person. And if you swipe to the right, it means that you want to meet them.

I don't like it. I think if you want to meet somebody for a real relationship, that's not the way to do it. Some of the nicest, fun people may not always be the most attractive ones. So, you know, people use it mainly to hook up.

Do you know what that means? To go out together. Well, yeah, but hooking up means more than that.

Really? And you don't know anything about the person? They don't have a blood test? That's awful. Younger people don't see it that way. They see it as normal now. That's how they meet people.

What a crazy world. What would be the first thing you'd say to a stranger that you met on Tinder? You're a photographic appeal to me, but I have to be honest with you. I'm really not interested in a fast trip to the bedroom. That seems fair. How does it feel to know that you would be getting swiped by people?

You know, you feel like a piece of meat in the butcher case. Would you try Tinder? No.

Why not? I'm not hooking up anymore. I mean, you could meet a pervert. I mean, just because they're handsome.

Like, Ted Bundy wasn't bad looking. How did you used to date you? People would see me and ask me out. I had a lot of dates. In high school, we used to have dances and we would have a boyfriend for that week. And then when we went to the dance, we'd find another one.

It was fun. With Dad, we were fixed up. And the first time I went out with him, I didn't even like him that much. And he really didn't like me. But something happened and he asked me out a second time. And I really got to know him that time. And he was really funny and nice and polite, a medical student, a great dancer.

And I really liked him. How would you feel about meeting someone new? You know, I'm kind of used to my life now. It isn't that I wouldn't like to meet somebody.

But I think it should be natural. I would want somebody to come up to me and say something like, you know, I think it'd be fun. Let's go to a movie and dinner. That kind of thing.

I would like that. But I want to tell you something. Men my age, they're looking for women 10 or 15 years younger than them. So a little bit of a dilemma. So you don't want to date any oldsters? Well, I don't want to take care of somebody. What if they were really good looking?

It wouldn't hurt. What if they were really rich and handsome? How old? Ninety. But are they nice? What if they were rich, handsome and nice?

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Why can't we talk about it? The movie is said to be loosely inspired by a true story. In suburban Seattle, an admitted child rapist was sentenced this day. Mary Kay Letourneau, a 34-year-old grade school teacher, was sentenced to seven years in prison for having a relationship with one of her underage students, Vili Folau. I did something that I had no right to do.

When Letourneau was released in 2004, she and Folau, who was by then 21, got married and raised their two children. For Charles Melton, the role of Joe, the young husband, was both a huge opportunity and a terrifying challenge. For Joe, there's so much weight he's carrying, and it really stems in his soul, just deep, this arrested development.

And to help tell the story of a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders... People, they see me as like a victim. Melton changed the way he walked, and he put on some weight. How many pounds?

Close to 40 pounds. How? Like five guys, triple cheeseburger with bacon, large Cajun fries, two hot dogs, nacho cheese on them. You know, I made the excuse that it was for my, you know, for Joe's story, but really it was for me. You liked it. I loved it.

Yes, I did. That transitioned into me going through a baggy clothes era, which I really enjoy. Truth is, Melton made his name in anything but baggy clothes. As Reggie Mantle in the TV series Riverdale, he was an athletic high school jock who was lean and sometimes mean. Doesn't it kill you, coach, to watch the Bulldogs lose week after week? Yeah, well, it's not all about winning, Reg.

Keep telling yourself that, loser. The real Charles Melton was born in 1991 in Juneau, Alaska. His dad, Phil, was a career army man who met Charles' mother, Suk Young, in her native Korea.

The family settled for good near Phil Melton's last duty station in Manhattan, Kansas. Charles was a sensitive kid who often wasn't content unless he was holding his mother's hand. My husband called me Charles' mama's boy because when we're riding road trip, always he got me mommy's hand.

So I'm in the front passenger seat and he's in the back, and I have to give him my arm. Like this whole maybe five or six hours. And still, I see. Yes, yes. And he was raised to appreciate his Korean heritage. And it wasn't until I was about 20 when I came to Los Angeles that I learned the term hapa, which is half of something. I did not know what that was.

And I think that term, I would prefer not to say that term anymore. I'm just like, no, I'm Korean American and I'm proud. Moving around that much, was it tough to make friends? Kind of. That's why I fell into sports. What did you think your future was going to be? Oh, I wanted to play in the NFL. That was my dream for 10 years. And he might have had a shot.

Melton was a talented player who would train hard and then sneak back into the Manhattan High School stadium on his own for a little extra practice. I'd jump the fence. I'd come here late at night.

No one in sight. I'd lay down. I'd look at the stars. I'd walk around this field and just visualize winning, making certain plays. And I would do that before every football game. Do you think it worked?

For the games we won, yeah. He went on to play college ball at Kansas State, got a few modeling gigs, and in 2012, with a month's worth of food packed by his mother, set out for Hollywood to try his hand at acting. You came to L.A. with what? Five hundred dollars. And a dream. That's it. And a lot of ramen noodles.

And a lot of ramen noodles, yes. Fast forward to 2023 and Charles Melton's riveting performance as a young man struggling with grown-up problems. His inspiration, he says, was drawn from a specific moment in his own childhood when his dad, who was about to ship out for Iraq, told his 11-year-old son that it was time for him to step up. It's still a tough thing for dad to talk about. So I sat down, I talked to him, told him he's got to be banned of the house and everything. You know, and when I reflect back on it, maybe if something would have happened to me, he'd been stuck in that role trying to beat him. Where I always plan on coming back, but you don't want to put that on somebody, but I'm glad he can use that.

Sorry, Army guys are going to give me a hard time. Charles Melton is keeping his family close. They were with him on a lot of the awards season red carpets, and they'll stay at his side for what comes next, whenever and whatever that may be. Okay, so let's talk about the future a little bit. So there are a lot of opportunities out there now? There's a few things that I'm really excited about that I'm looking at that I just feel so much gratitude. You know, you don't really ever think about what's going to come next, usually. Especially with everything that's going on in my life right now, you know, just staying grounded, I think. You don't want to look too far ahead? I don't want to look too far ahead. I just want to just trust and have faith that the right thing is going to come when it's meant to come. How weird does it feel to be called someone's fiancée?

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Empathy is our best policy. Odds are, our Steve Hartman is thinking about football this weekend. If this was the Super Bowl of news stories, I'd bet anything that people would bet on anything, from how many words I'll say, to whether I'll gesture more with my left hand or my right.

And when I eventually throw this ball, will my dog catch it? These are called prop bets, and in football it means betting on anything other than the final score of the game. How big has this gotten? It's gotten much, much bigger than even the game. Rufus Peabody is a professional bettor and co-founder of Unabated Sports. Why do you think the proliferation of this?

I think because people have shorter attention spans now than they used to. We want the game to be more like a slot machine than we do a sporting event. To that end, you can now bet on how long the national anthem will be.

Whether or not someone will miss an extra point. Will Taylor Swift be caught on camera wearing a foam finger? Will she wear red lipstick or some other color? And my personal favorite, when the game ends, what shade of Gatorade will get dumped on the winning coach? What color will a Gatorade bath be?

Grown men have actually been debating this all week. Young people like blue Gatorade. I'll go orange.

Orange has moved down to plus five hundreds. And who stands to profit off all this, aside from the Gatorade delivery guy? The sportsbooks. They're expecting 68 million Americans to gamble 23 billion dollars on the Super Bowl this year. Industry insiders estimate about half that on these crazy side bets. And so, as we near the end of this 273 word news story, where I have gestured more with my left hand than my right, let me ask you one final question.

How many of you have been waiting around just to see if my dog will catch this ball? It's the same drama within a drama that fuels this Super Bowl betting frenzy. The sweat. The adrenaline rush. No matter how ridiculous, the reason.

Want to go double or nothing? Stick your nose in it. Don't be shy.

Really get your nose right in there, really. He was a toast of Hollywood after a tour de force performance in the movie Sideways. This time around, Paul Giamatti plays a private school instructor teaching a valuable life lesson, learning some things about himself along the way. Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes has a Sunday profile of actor Paul Giamatti. What is it about acting that you love or like?

I don't know. Do you love it? I do love it. Yeah, no, I do love it.

And like anything you love, that can get difficult. Difficult characters are a Paul Giamatti specialty. I can tell by your faces that many of you are shocked at the outcome. He portrayed a cantankerous John Adams.

Now either you are stuck raving mad or I am. Good day, sir. And a brutal U.S. attorney in billions. Drop your credentials at the guard's desk and get the f*** out of here.

And in his latest movie, The Holdovers, Giamatti plays Paul Hunnam. You were born lucky. A bitter teacher at a New England boarding school. Sir, I don't understand.

That's glaringly apparent. I can't fail this class. Oh, don't sell yourself short, Mr. Coates.

I truly believe that you can. Hunnam is in charge of the students with nowhere to go at Christmas. And he forms a bond with a rebellious kid and the school's grieving cook. You know he flourished here. Yes. No, he was a great kid.

Played by Davine Joy Randolph, whose deceased son attended the school. He said you were real s***. Well, like I said, sharp kid.

Insightful. Someone described the movie as a Scrooge-like Christmas story with you being Scrooge. Yeah, it's a little bit of that. It has a Christmas carol thing. I think all three of the characters are Scrooge a little bit.

They all need to kind of move out of a place that they're stuck in. The 56-year-old's performance earned him an Oscar nomination for Best Actor and Critics' Choice and Golden Globe Awards. So you win the Golden Globes. Yes. And you take your award and you go to a burger joint. Sure.

Are you serious? Absolutely. But then we went to parties, we went to fancy things, but we got the cheeseburger. I loved it. It's good.

Action. His role in The Holdovers was written for him. There's times when I think, why was this written specifically for me? A man who smells like fish that nobody likes? And then I look at it and I go, I think I know. One reason Giamatti, raised in Connecticut, attended a prep school himself. What in this part was familiar?

Most of it was pretty familiar to me. I had teachers that were this sort of strict disciplinarians like this. You stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours. That's a detention. You just earned yourself a detention, sir. Now get back here. Being here with you is already one big f***ing detention.

Son of a f***. That's another detention. Did you get in trouble?

I was not a big troublemaker. The way I got in trouble, I'm not kidding, was I would cut classes to go read. Like, you know, science fiction books in the library on my own. Really nerdy trouble. Yeah, totally nerdy. Yeah, super nerdy trouble. That bookishness ran in the family.

Paul's mother, Tony, was a teacher and his dad, Bart Giamatti, was once president of Yale and later, Major League Baseball commissioner. Your dad died when he was quite young. Fifty-one. Were you an actor yet?

No. I had just graduated from college and I was sort of... I loved acting. I did it as an extracurricular thing, but some part of me didn't think it was something I would do. Still, he began acting professionally in plays and later movies. I started making a very small living at it, but I was deceived into thinking, oh, I can do this.

This is not too bad. What was your first movie? I think it was a kind of, not great, kind of slasher movie. And I had one scene in it. I swore on the Bible. And you can go to hell if you swear on the Bible and it ain't the truth. I've never seen it and I didn't know what I was doing, but I learned fast. This too shall pass. And he quickly landed small roles opposite some big names. We got stopped by some intense rifle action from the eastward.

The Germans have been reinforcing two regiments all day. You have violated my wife. You've soiled the sanctity of my home!

Giamatti has a biopic to thank for his big break. It was about Howard Stern. You're not getting the phone from me, Kenny. No! Oh my God! Kenny just hit himself in the face.

He's bleeding. He played Kenny pig vomit Rushton, Stern's put-upon corporate handler. It was a fantastic role. It was a really, really fun part.

Why was it fantastic? It was an incredibly energetic and kind of crazy role with lots of latitude to do lots of crazy things. You're often described as the king of curmudgeons, that you play a lot of those kinds of characters in bad moods all the time, kind of angry at the world. Does this bother you that you're called curmudgeonly? I don't mind it. I think it's a great word.

I often think that really I just play kind of complicated people, people with a complicated relationship to the world. Like Miles Raymond. We're drinking Merlot. If anybody orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any f***ing Merlot!

The boozy failed writer and wine snob in the Oscar-winning movie, Sideways. Oh, there's just like the faintest sous-ceau of like asparagus, and there's just a flutter of like a nutty Edam cheese. People come up and ask you for wine recommendations.

They do? Oh yeah, and whenever I go to a restaurant, the sommelier gives me the wine list, and I know nothing about wine. Zero.

I know nothing about wine. No, nothing. I don't even know which one's what color.

Something the other day. Chianti? Is it Chianti? I don't know what color that is. What is it? Red or white? It's red. Oh, it's flavors.

They're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle. There are a couple of scenes where you're very hang dog, and we get to see that basically depressed guy, and then you smile. Well, okay. And you go from being a nerd, a nebbish, to being Paul Newman. Oh, wow.

With a great smile, handsome. I mean, it does happen in a flash. But it is that thing of, like, it's all here, you know? It's the wordless stuff is the most powerful stuff. Paul Newman, that's really nice. That's good.

I was thinking it, though, truly. Paul Newman had his race cars. Paul Giamatti has a theremin.

I feel like every theremin player in the world is so insulted by what I do. He was here to record his podcast, Chinwag. Why do you do a podcast?

That's a good question. I am interested in strange things, weird topics. But the weird topics can be anything from UFOs to Egyptian history.

I have all different kinds of theories about Bigfoot because he's super fascinating. Hello. He recorded the podcast before an audience at the SF Sketchfest.

Great, thank you very much. I'm curious about your technique. There isn't one, man. The camera loves you. Okay. You're not Errol Flynn. I am not Errol Flynn. But the camera loves you.

You know what, dude? That's my memoir title right there. I am not Errol Flynn. In fact, in one of his favorite roles, he played no human at all. I must be out of my mind, out of my mind. You played an orangutan.

I did. Oh my God, look at you. I loved playing an orangutan. That was really fun.

Get him out and get him clean! I was covered head to toe in amazing prosthetic makeup. And so I was completely transformed, which is, for an actor, is great. Like I just completely changed into a monkey. It's like you're hiding.

Yes, completely. And it wasn't me anymore. I'd look in the mirror and I was gone. What's with the hiding thing? It's an excellent question. It's a very strange way of connecting with other people, I think. It's very weird.

I don't know what the explanation is. You walk around saying, gee, Paul, you're weird. I do, actually, sometimes.

But I actually think it's a good thing. I enjoy being weird. It's okay being weird. Weird is all right.

Yeah. Hi, it's Stephen Colbert. And I'm here to tell you about The Late Show Pod Show, which is the podcast of The Late Show with me, Stephen Colbert. And I'm here with my producer of the podcast, Becca. Hi, Becca. Hi, Stephen. So what do people get when they listen to The Late Show Pod Show?

Let's sell this thing. We have a lot of moments, for sure, because we run out of time for broadcast, but we have plenty of time on the podcast. It's kind of like being a live audience member of the show, because you get things that no one else hears. Listen to The Late Show Pod Show with Stephen Colbert wherever you get your podcasts. I'm CBS News correspondent Major Garrett, host of the podcast, Agent of Betrayal, the double life of Robert Hansen. During the Cold War, FBI agent Robert Hansen traded classified secrets to the Kremlin in exchange for cash and jewels. In the podcast, you'll hear from Hansen's closest friends, family members, victims, and colleagues for the most comprehensive telling of who Robert Hansen really was.

Binge the entire series now, Agent of Betrayal, the double life of Robert Hansen is available on the Wondery app, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. With Faith Staley now, we're off on what you might call a journey of the heart. Hi. Once a year, a lucky few get the chance to actually visit Hope Valley. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you guys. An early 20th century town on the Canadian frontier with a church, a general store, and a big heart.

Most of the time, the only way folks get to visit here is to watch the place on TV. What a difference a few weeks have made to our little town. You see, Hope Valley is the set of the Hallmark Channel show, When Calls the Heart, a show that takes pride in the fact that it's something of a throwback. There's a real desire for heartwarming entertainment. It's something that I think all of us really want in our lives. My mom says she's glad you're here.

I'm glad to be here too. Erin Krakow plays a schoolteacher who 10 seasons ago came to her home to a town then named Coal Valley that was recovering from a mine disaster. Send thy Holy Spirit to comfort and strengthen us. Slowly, with twists and turns and loves gained and lost, the town and she grew up together, helping one another like a family. I hope she can feel the love.

I'm sure she can. And viewership grew too. And wow, that's a lot of love.

And viewership grew too. And while she may be the show's star, that's not how she sees it. I am one piece of the heart of the show because we are a show about community and I think that we wouldn't be Hope Valley, we wouldn't be When Calls the Heart without all of the members of this community. Members of the When Calls the Heart community call themselves hearties.

They are some two million strong. Fans organize online and meet in person in local chapters like Pat Conley and Celia Sumrall who became friends through their love of the show. It really gave me an opportunity to meet a whole lot of new people.

I told you I cry easily. What makes you emotional when you talk about it? I love the show just simply because I like the faith. I love the family atmosphere. I love the way the community comes together.

Our world is very divided right now. Hope Valley works through that and they talk to each other and they get over it. I wanted to tell you if you should come by and check on you. And when the beloved character Rosemary struggled to finally have a baby at the same time she grieved her own mother, Conley saw some of her own story on screen. That is me, so that hit me really hard. It helps you see that other people have these situations in your life that affect you for life sometimes, but that you can get over them and make it through. The show is based on the writing of Jeanette Oak who herself grew up on the western plains of Canada.

Her Christian romances have sold more than 30 million books. What surprised you the most about Hardee's? Where all they come from and still understand one another. We come from different cultures and different areas of the world and yet we have that common human need of understanding, working together, feeling accepted.

That, accepted I think is a pretty big word. For those of you who don't know, I live in Puerto Rico. And so it might not be surprising that Hardee's show up for each other in ways large and small. When Hurricane Maria devastated the world, when Hurricane Maria devastated Gelsie Freitez's community in Puerto Rico, Hardee's from all over stepped up. They just came together, created a website so everybody could see what was needed and they just started mailing me things like canned food, batteries, and I feel like God used Hardee's to help me out. Not just me, but I was able to bless others with what I received from the Hardee's. I had never experienced something like this, this outpouring of love. This sounds just like Hope Valley.

Yeah, definitely. The Hardee's in that moment exemplified what Hope Valley means. Although When Calls the Heart may be fictional, Jeanette Oakes says the effect the show has had is very real. There's lots of places in our world, even in our busy cities and whatnot, where you don't know if you're accepted, you don't have a place to really fit, you don't have anyone to fill that spot in your heart, and I think that's why this show has touched so many hearts.

We were made to belong to one another, support one another. Being an actual royal is never about finding your happy ending, but the worst part is, if they step out of line or fall in love with the wrong person, it changes the course of history. I'm Arisha Skidmore-Williams.

And I'm Brooke Siffrin. We've been telling the stories of the rich and famous on the hit wondery show Even the Rich, and talking about the latest celebrity news on Rich and Daily. We're going all over the world on our new show, Even the Royals. The world's kings, queens, and all the wannabes in their orbit throughout history. Think succession meets the crown meets real life.

We're going to pull back the gilded curtain and show how royal status might be bright and shiny, but it comes at the expense of, well, everything else, like your freedom, your privacy, and sometimes even your head. Follow Even the Royals on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Laleh Arakoglu, host of Women Who Travel. Women Who Travel is a transported podcast for anyone curious about the world. We talk to adventurers and athletes.

I've raced the God's Own Adventure Race, which is on the South Island and goes through the mountains down in the Southern Alps on New Zealand. That was eight days spent out in the wilderness. And chefs. Iranian food is home. It's family. It's love. And we share dispatches from our listeners. Ireland is full of these, I will call them ghosts of the past. From stampeding elephants to training sled dogs, we hear it all.

The dogs will curl right up with you and it can be kind of cozy waiting things out. New episodes of Women Who Travel publish every Thursday. Join us wherever you listen. Luke Burbank gets the last word this morning. The last three words to be precise. This Wednesday is Valentine's Day. That special time once a year when a large portion of the U.S. population goes into complete panic trying to figure out how to show their special someone that they do in fact love them and that they did not in fact just dig a card out of the back of the glove compartment on the way over. Even though happy holidays from your friends at Les Schwab Tires has clearly been crossed out and replaced with I love you.

I love you. Three simple words that can change the course of someone's entire day but that can also be surprisingly hard to utter. Love ya, lots of love, and the now infamous I love you man just don't convey the same feeling.

There's a layer of self-preservation to them. Of leaving a side door slightly ajar in case you don't get the response you're looking for. Very few words leave the person uttering them more vulnerable than I love you. I've been thinking about these words a lot lately after reading an amazing piece in the Washington Post wherein the writer pointed out the way The Price is Right host Drew Carey ends every broadcast by looking directly into the camera and saying I love you. I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, see you next time, bye. These days our lives both personal and professional tend to occur at a further and further distance leading Americans to report feeling more isolated than ever before. We are a nation of people desperately in need of knowing somebody out there loves us. So this week whatever elaborate romantic gestures you get up to or don't get up to that's a whole other commentary maybe take a moment to tell someone who needs to hear it I love you. It costs you nothing and could mean everything to them.

Maybe even more than a card that you definitely did not dig out of the back of the glove compartment on the way over. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. Academy is a new scripted podcast that follows Ava Richards played by HBO's industries Myhala Herald a brilliant scholarship student who has to quickly adapt to her newfound eat or be eaten world. Ava's ambitions take hold and her small town values break in hopes of becoming the first scholarship student to make the list. Bishop Gray's all coveted academic top 10 curated by the headmaster himself. But after realizing she has no chance at the list on her own she reluctantly accepts an invitation to a secret underground society that pulls the strings on campus life and academic success.

If she bends to their will she'll have everything she's ever dreamed of but at what cost? Academy takes you into the world of a cutthroat private school where power, money, and sex collide in a game of life and death. Follow Academy on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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