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But in California, another measure on the ballot is drawing a lot of attention. It's called Proposition 40, and it asks voters if billionaires in the state should be subject to a one-time 5% wealth tax. As Jo Ling Kent will explain, it's a controversial idea that, if successful, could have implications far beyond California. Health care cuts are driving California towards a health care collapse. With Proposition Forty supporters see a lifeline for health care.
Three and a half million people lose health insurance. Studies show it will cost California billions in tax revenue. While opponents worry billionaires will take their wealth and businesses elsewhere. We want billionaires to create jobs here, to start companies here. Ahead this Sunday morning.
The Golden State's billion-dollar question. Earlier this year, Allison Janney won her eighth Emmy in an acting category, tying the record for the most ever by an individual performer. She shares that distinction with Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who just happens to play Janney's sister in a new Broadway show. Tracy Smith takes us behind the curtain. Other Desert Cities is a play with a galaxy of talent.
There's Allison, Ed, Joe, Lily, and Julia. Joe and Julia, this is your first time on Broadway. How are you feeling about that? Oh, super relaxed. Totally, right?
Easy. I mean, this is a cakewalk. I like to spar. That's what Attila the Hun said. The stars come out on Broadway later on Sunday morning.
Also ahead this Sunday morning, so pleased to meet you. Hi, Morocco visits with Carrie Preston, star of the hit CBS detective series Elizabeth. You're not a recluse. No, I. Ben Mankiewicz hits the streets with one of New York's most recognizable locals, actor John Turturro.
Don't feel great about the economy right now. Just ahead of the midterms, Nancy Cordes heads to Michigan to find out what Americans really think about the economy. Seth Doane catches up with Spanish music star Rosalía, whose unique blend of styles creates a sound all its own. And more on this Sunday morning for the 18th of October, 2026, and we'll be back in a moment. When California voters head to the polls next month, they'll be asked whether to adopt a new proposal that calls for billionaires to be taxed like never before.
Jo Ling Kent shares what Proposition Forty is all about. There's never been a proposal like this anywhere in the world, so it's a novel idea. We are facing an emergency. Healthcare cuts are driving California towards a healthcare collapse. An emergency that began with President Trump's one big, beautiful bill, according to union leader Dave Regan.
What we're trying to do is restore 100 billion dollars worth of healthcare cuts. The cuts targeted federal funds to Medicaid over the next few years. Three and a half million people lose health insurance. Hospitals, clinics, and emergency rooms will close. They could also cost jobs in Regan's own union, SEIU United Healthcare Workers West.
So to bridge the gap, Regan and the union led a petition drive to put on the November ballot a one-time five percent state tax on the net worth of California's two hundred or so billionaires, known as Proposition Forty. How confident are you that this will pass? Pretty confident. Regan's tactics are controversial. His behavior under scrutiny.
But if the wealth tax passes, he expects the state will collect 100 billion dollars over five years. Ninety percent is specifically earmarked for health care. We're not trying to pretend that it's a permanent solution, but a five-year solution is better than no solution, and that gives the state of California an opportunity to figure out what's the right permanent solution.
So essentially, then you're saying. You're buying time. We're solving a problem, and we're solving a problem. But the problem isn't actually solved if it's a one-time tax, and you have this giant. The problem is solved for five years.
That's a solution. Is it? Absolutely. Ask the three and a half million people who are going to lose health care coverage. Since the wealth tax was proposed, some billionaires have left California, including venture capitalist Peter Thiel and Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin.
Brin is spending more than 100 million dollars to oppose the measure. California can't afford the wealth tax experiment. Vote no. And California, being California, there are two other opposition-backed proposals on the ballot. If either one receives more votes than Prop 40, that effectively nullifies the wealth tax.
And the billionaires have some strange bedfellows. We won't stand by and let a tax that's supposed to target billionaires turn into a trapdoor for working families. No on 40. Several other major unions and big-name Democrats agree with them on voting no, including California Governor Gavin Newsom. It is a flawed initiative.
And former Democratic Congresswoman Katie Porter. I generally, as a progressive, have fought to make sure that the ultra wealthy pay more. But this tax doesn't do that correctly, causing these people to pick up and to leave. We want billionaires to create jobs here, to start companies here. Several voters told us we support this, but we also know it's not perfect.
Why let perfect be the enemy of the good? You don't get a second bite at tax policy. A tax that you pass has enduring consequences. When somebody leaves California, we can no longer tax them. That is a permanent problem.
It is much harder to get tax base back than it is to grow it in the first place. Here's where taxes get complicated. Billionaires can pay a lot in income, property, and capital gains tax, but most of their wealth is typically growing in stocks, which aren't taxed until they sell. It's a system in which essentially the richest Americans have been written out of the tax system, much like the aristocracy of pre-revolutionary France. Right, people who have enough money to live on their investments and inheritances legally don't have to pay any taxes.
Ray Madoff, a professor at Boston College Law, says Prop 40 spotlights a deeply broken tax system. Do you think that this is a good idea, Prop 40? My feelings about Prop 40 are that meaningful change has to happen at the federal level. And I think that, to the extent Prop 40 creates an incentive for meaningful change to be take effect on the federal level, then I'd say it would be helpful. On its own, it obviously can't do anything; it's just patching a temporary hole, right?
But I think that there is a certain amount of symbolic value of Prop 40. We choose economic justice over greed. As for how this turns out, the polls are tightening, with voters now more divided. To me, it's bigger than Prop 40. It's a big fight back against the Trump administration.
We really are very concerned about people leaving the state. No billionaires we contacted wanted to talk to us about Prop 40, except for one.
Some of your fellow billionaires here in California are spending millions to fight Proposition 40. Why do you see it differently? I don't mind paying taxes. The more you make, the more taxes you pay.
So I'm okay with it. Jensen Huang is the founder and CEO of the American chip maker Nvidia, headquartered in Silicon Valley. I don't like tax dollars wasted, but I also support all that this country represents. Huang's first job was as a dishwasher at Denny's. Today, Forbes lists his net worth at about two hundred billion dollars, making him the seventh richest person in the world.
I am the ultimate American dream. If not for this country, the education, the ability to create a new company, pursue your dreams. I went to met all the people that made NVIDIA possible. I love this country in every possible way, and it's not perfect, but it's incredible. Even if you might end up paying about perhaps eight billion dollars over five years, the fact that I can afford to pay eight billion dollars and.
Taxes over five years is a privilege. I'm not afraid of paying taxes. I'm just afraid of being poor. Whether you're poor or rich, for or against the billionaire tax, its architect Dave Regan is already looking beyond November, and beyond California. Other states around the country are going to start looking to follow California's lead, just like it's happened so many times in the past.
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Now, there's one case that really stands out. Sam and Diane, like the couple from Cheers. I don't watch television. Oh, well, you should.
Some of it's great.
Now, in its fourth season, the unconventional CBS detective series Elsabeth has found a devoted audience. Thanks in large part to its star, Carrie Preston. She's talking with Mo Rocca. Actually, on the cusp. When we sat down to talk with Carrie Preston, star of TV's hit series Elspeth, we started as we do every interview on Sunday morning.
Carrie, would you mind stating your name in full, spelling it, yes, and giving your title.
Okay, Carrie Preston, C A R R I E P R E S T O N. My title is human being, who happens to be an actor. A human being who happens to be an actor is a perfect way to begin this because I did a bit on this show last season.
Now more than ever, we rely on supporters like you. And the night before I was shooting, I got a text. From you saying, "Hey Mo, it's Carrie. Excited to see that you're joining us on the show." Now, this isn't typical that the star of the show. Rights, an actor.
So, what was that about? I make it part of my mission to make sure that the actors that are coming on the show feel welcome. I myself have been doing this a long time and have walked onto sets sometimes and not really spoken to. But if you have a warm greeting from somebody, then you can relax, and it's an easy thing to do, and it makes everybody feel like they're part of a big picture. And they're creating something.
So pleased to meet you. Hi, I am Elsbeth Tassioni. I am such a huge fan. That kind of positivity is at the heart of this comedic murder mystery, starring Preston as lawyer turned detective Elsbeth Tassioni. She's smart, very smart.
So a person could come here. Pay and make a quick exit without being noticed, couldn't they? And get a receipt. You have a devious mind. I'm a lawyer.
Is she naive? No, because she could be mistaken for naive. She's mistaken for naive, and she knows that, but she doesn't want to change who she is. She's curious. And it's that curiosity then that gets her to find that one little detail that is going to be the thing that solves the case.
Preston isn't new to the role; she's been playing Elspeth for 15 years. First on the drama's *The Good Wife*. Tell me when the snake actually devours its tail. And the good fight. Can't try those on.
No. And now on her namesake series. If there's one line that sums up her character, it may be the final one from last season. It was so great, I cried. Yeah, me too.
Isn't it great to love things? Isn't it great to love things? We've trained people to think it's a little embarrassing to be enthusiastic. Jonathan Tolins is an executive producer of Elsbeth, which is seen on CBS and Paramount Plus. And Elsbeth is someone who tells people, "No, actually, that's that's where the gold is in life.
You know, to find the things you love, the people you love." Cynics be damned. Who are you supposed to be? Audrey Hepburn from Breakfast at Tiffany's, the movie that first made me fall in love with New York. Carrie has the largest wardrobe of any character I've ever dressed on any show, and that's just look at Elsbeth's wardrobe, designed by Daniel Lawson. Elsbeth uses her quirky look as like her secret weapon.
You've described it as a Trojan horse. I think that's right. And why are you dressed like that? Is this a prank show? It can feel like that sometimes.
She comes in and it's like, oh, she's gonna be dopey. She's not gonna be smart. She's not gonna be clever. Look how she's dressed. And no one touched her.
But then she comes in there and you know, crazy like a fox. Yeah. The New York Times described the character as the Queen of Quirk. I love that, especially since they had described my husband, Michael Emerson, as the King of Creepy.
So we are royalty, in a very strange way. There's my husband. Who played Judge Crawford? Actor Michael Emerson, best known for the series Lost and Person of Interest, has been married to Preston for nearly three decades. I'll see you in court, Miss Tassioni.
Emerson played a corrupt judge in season two of Alspeth. Kerry Preston grew up in Macon, Georgia. Her late father was a geotechnical engineer, who dabbled in astrology. He used to do astrological charts by hand, so he had a sense of the metaphysical, or you know, something else outside of us. Her mother is a visual artist.
She did art therapy with people. Art has the power to heal, even if it's a lighthearted murder mystery like I'm doing. It's bringing joy to people, which the Juilliard-trained Preston has been doing throughout her career in movies like My Best Friend's Wedding. I sing a little prayer for you. You're a very sweet person, Miss Crane.
And the holdovers.
So do you. And TV series like True Blood. You have your own mantra. Yeah, I do. I say this is a miracle, especially if I find myself getting hijacked by some emotion that's maybe getting in the way of me feeling joy, and I'll say this is a miracle.
This is a miracle. This is a miracle, and then I also think about the little Carrie Preston. I mean, when I was like six years old, I used to pretend that there were cameras in the trees, and I would try to act natural. But I have a distinct memory of doing that out in the front yard. Don't look into the camera.
But I prophesied somehow that this was coming for me, and I dreamed about it. And so I don't want to take that for granted. This moment is not lost on me. Here we go. Here we go.
Alright, rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling. Actor John Turturro received two Emmy nominations for his work on the streaming series Severance, the latest accolade in a remarkable career. With Ben Mankiewicz, he's our Sunday profile. This is my uniform. This is how I serve the common man.
Character actors like John Turturro never fail to leave their mark on screen. He's been commanding our attention in movies and on television for forty-six years, always digging deep to deliver something memorable. Pretty messed up, eh? The hideousness of that foot will haunt my dreams forever. You are one of the great character actors in the history of movies.
Oh, well, I'll take that compliment. I am not sure, you know.
Now, sixty-nine, Torturo is doing some of his best work in Apple TV's *Severance*. Rise up from your deathbed and sally forth, all perfect for the struggle. And on the big screen, in a rare leading man part. As a thief clinging to a world passing him by, in a charming and moving crime thriller, *The Only Living Pickpocket* in New York. You know what you did wrong?
It wasn't the lift. You did that swell, but you brought it downtown to your waist pocket. Within this tense sort of crime thriller, there's all this humanity and like tenderness. There's like this love story, and there's this guy who, basically. The world has changed around him.
He's obsolete in some ways.
So, how does someone like that survive in such a fast-changing world? And I found it very evocative and moving. We spoke to Turturro in his Brooklyn neighborhood. I ride the trains. You're not a reckless.
No. He's New York through and through. Growing up in Hollis, Queens, his parents were a working-class couple. With a penchant for drama, they had kind of a very intimate relationship and volatile at certain times. You seem to have forgotten that I am a woman.
When we used to watch the honeymoon, is when I was really little kid, my older brother Ralph used to call the show "Mommy and Daddy." It was, you know, an expressive, sometimes explosive household.
So you learn like what. Sizes and what also quiet is within that. They also loved movies, which made a lasting impression on their son. I didn't go to the theater that much when I was young, but I watched the Million Dollar Movie, and I watched all these great movies from the 30s, 40s, 50s. Those people opened up my brains.
You know, whether it was Barbara Stanwyck or Edward G. or Cagney or Betty Davis and They're like part of me. Here, sixty-four cents. Go ahead. Come on, I want you to have it.
The idea to become an actor formed watching Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy. I think it was a scene in a diner when he said he was like, "Oh, Joey, I know I only got sixty-four cents in my my pocket. Go, you know." And I was like, "Who is this guy? Who is this guy?" Then cemented at a Broadway musical, Bob Fosse's Pippin. I saw the commercial.
I felt like someone was reaching their hand out to me, like to touch me, and I was like, "Wow!" After college came a scholarship to get a master's at the Yale School of Drama, but not before getting cast in his first movie, *Raging Bull*. It's described as a non-speaking part, but it's not really non-speaking. You got a little. There's something there. I say, "Hey, Jake." Hey, Jake.
Very nervously. Hey, Jake. But is your first line delivered to Robert De Niro? It's pretty good.
Well, I it was my first professional audition. Bob has brought it up to me over the years that you know that. Yeah, you're in this business because of him. Yeah. During his career, he's been opposite Paul Newman in *The Color of Money*, which motion picture, been directed by Robert Redford in *Quiz Show*.
Always searching for ways to unlock his character, like in *Miller's Crossing*, the first of four films with the Coen brothers. Come on, Tom, it's not like that at all. Wasn't my idea. She sleep with anyone, you know that. The quirky voice came from his accountant.
I can't. The fear from a single day in his childhood. In the list of difficult scenes, that's a difficult scene. Yeah, I had one advantage when I was younger. I was a serious basketball player.
My friends and I came home from a party, and we had like bike with a banana seat, you know, and handle. We pulled into a schoolyard, and this guy was shooting baskets. And was three of us, so he thought maybe we were. Going to try to steal something from him. It was was late, and as I pulled into the bike thing, the guy he took out a gun, he put it right to my head on my bike, and I was like, I was frozen.
But I never forgot this feeling of having this gun pointed at my head. He's collaborated nine times with Spike Lee, starting with Do the Right Thing. Lee sent him the script, then asked him which part he wanted. They're black, but they're not really black. They're more than black.
It's It's different. It's different. Yeah, to me, it's different. Torturo chose the racist son of the pizza shop owner. Do you think he wanted you to choose that character?
I think he was happy that I did. Yeah, because I, you know, one thing about me is like I don't need to be. Liked if I'm doing a movie, what I need to do is to hold your attention, and I can, you know, surprise you. You know, I'm not looking to soften the edges with it, or even making, you know, worse than it is. It is what it is.
You've seen that guy. Yeah, and and you see it in all different forms. That's right. I think that's one of the unspoken things in our country, which has such diversity. You know, it's it's something we grapple with.
You said it, man. Nobody f**ks with the Jesus. When Turturro got the script for the Big Lebowski, he noted to the Cone brothers that the part was very small. To which they told him, "You'll make something of it," and he did. And I have to say, I was really embarrassed the first time I saw it.
I was laughing, but I was really embarrassed. I was like, I can't believe we put all this stuff in there, you know? Because it's like we were friends, and we were like seven years old. Say, Ben, come on over. Let's let's let's do a show together, you know?
You want to make your friend laugh? Yeah, yeah. Let me tell you something, man, Ben. I like being here and talking about acting and stuff, you know? Because for me, you know.
I'm a natural born actor. That's how it is.
So you know. Surprisingly, this natural born actor doesn't have an Oscar nomination. There's some buzz that might change with the only living pickpocket in New York. Damn it, man! This is serious.
And though awards would be nice, it's the work that matters to John Turturro. Can you measure success without awards? Yes. I've I've been able to work and do interesting things and entertain people and maybe even make them think sometimes or laugh or you know cry at different times and take them away from their lives.
So I'm very very appreciative of where I am. I want to keep that up and I feel like I'm in a very fruitful time. A star-studded revival of the play *Other Desert Cities* is the talk of Broadway. Tracy Smith shows us why. And the Emmy goes to Julie Louis-Dreyfus.
The year was 2015, and Julia Louis Dreyfus won yet another Emmy. The record, Allison Janney, mine. And so did Allison Janney. Thanks, everyone. And backstage, a question for both of them, ladies.
Since you both get along so well, and you both multiple Emmy winners, would you consider working together or starring on each other's No guest starring? No, absolutely not. Under no circumstance. What's that saying? Never say never.
Your politics are offensive to normal people. You goad people with them. I like to spar. That's what Attila the Hun said. Allison and Julia are indeed together again in Other Desert Cities, a play by John Robin Bates, opening on Broadway tonight, and they're working with a cast of familiar faces.
This is gonna work. Yeah, better work. It's not like we're conspicuous or anything. Actor, singer, songwriter Joe Keery, best known from Stranger Things. I sweat blood for you.
I will not tolerate sarcasm. TV and Broadway superstar Lily Rabe. We never lost an American in space. We're sure as hell not gonna lose one on my watch. And Ed Harris, who can play an American hero like no other.
Joe and Julia, this is your first time on Broadway. How are you feeling about that? Oh, super relaxed. Totally, right? Easy.
I mean, this is a cakewalk. Okay, here. A cakewalk? It's not. I know you've been waiting.
Just let's get this over with and go on to enjoy ourselves. The story is about a novelist, Brooke, who comes to Palm Springs for the holidays with her conservative parents, Polly and Lyman, Joe Kieris, her brother Trip, and Allison Janney's the recovering alcoholic aunt, Silda. And as always, when families get together, things can get a little testy. You know what happens when you don't drink? You have dreams.
I hate dreams. I have more Nazi dreams than Ellie Vizelle. What does that say about me? Always being chased by the SS. Allison Janney is a Tony nominee, but she says the rhythm of Broadway takes some getting used to.
We met her a few weeks back, not far from her home in Los Angeles, at Laurel Supply, one of the city's tawnyer grocery stores. Like a kid in a candy store, as she prepared for the Broadway grind. Do you feel like you have to gear up to go back and do live theater, like healthwise? Yeah, I probably should stop drinking wine. Yeah, you gotta.
I mean, I go to bed at 9 p.m. In the theater, you are—you know—if we start at eight, I'm not out of there till 10:30 or 11.
So it's a whole new schedule I got to get myself on to do Broadway, and it's exhausting. H.O.S. a week, and I'm not 38 anymore.
So that's going to be—it's going to be challenging. I'll see. I hope it's easier than I than I think it's going to be. It's Joe Keery's first time on the Great White Way, but you'd never know it. You're rich.
You're smart. You're absurdly white. You're Ivy League, New York. Your parents are rich, and you know it. What about you?
What are you, a Zapotec Indian? The thing I love about this play and what it does to me is it makes me question my own place in my own family. You think being depressive makes you special? Guess what! Being depressed makes you banal, and in your case, it makes you hard—not easy to be with.
Tony nominee Lily Rabe has spent a lot of time in Hollywood, but she says there's nothing like acting in front of a live audience. I love doing plays so much; it does feel like coming home. I can't believe I get to be in this company and say these words. It is such a privilege to get to say these words. And she has a lot to say.
I don't want there to be any more. Her character Brooke announces that her new books about their late brother Henry, a '70s radical who was involved in a deadly bombing and who died by suicide, the family's caught a bit off guard. Dread? Should we be dreading your novel, darling? No.
No, no, no!
Sorry, wrong word. Not dread. But there is something you should know before you read it. Oh, I just love it when people say there's something you should know. Because you can just tell it's something you wish you didn't have to hear.
Julia Louis Dreyfus spent some of her childhood in New York, and this part of Central Park was her playground. Are there certain sounds and smells and things that bring you back to New York City as a kid? You mean besides the dog on the sidewalk? Which is always here. One of the themes in the play is dealing with grief, something Julia's also had to grapple with in real life over the recent loss of family members and her home in the California fires.
What have you learned about grief? That if you're lucky enough to live long enough, you're going to experience grief. Lucky. Yeah, yeah. The thing about grief is, I think there's resistance to it.
When you get an urge to cry, you always feel like you have to push it back down, and I don't know. Maybe that's just human behavior, but I think there's something to be said for allowing it in. Aww, you're getting your old glow back. In the play, mom and dad just try to keep the family on track, as parents do. I'm wondering, just from your own lives, any parental advice that you've gotten that has stayed with you, good or bad?
My dad was in the hospice bed in the living room where my folks were, and if I had to go off and do something that I was concerned about or that was going to be kind of tricky, and he he said, "Gird your loins." Gird your loins. Yeah. I said, "All right, I get you." Toughen up, dude. Yeah, you know. My daughter is tap dancing around about this book of hers, and we're all sitting here waiting like nothing is happening.
As for Dreyfus, she says she's been looking for a new adventure that might scare her a bit, and with this play on this stage, she found it. You all have done this Broadway dance before. Is there any advice that you would give to the two who have not done the Broadway thing before? Gird your loins. They're girded, baby.
They're girded. Good idea. What's the most important issue on voters' minds as we approach midterm elections? The economy. Nancy Cordes traveled to Michigan to find out why.
God bless our great state of Texas. Thank you very much. The polls open in one month, Athens. Are you ready to work? In most of the country, autumn is campaign season, but in Michigan, it is also cider season.
Gallon, half gallon, quart, a little pint. The Franklin Cider Mill is an institution in suburban Detroit that churns out hot donuts and ice cold cider slushies. Two cups for this? Yes, that'd be great. Thanks.
Between bites, we asked visitors to assess the state of their wallets three weeks before Election Day. I would say most are struggling. If I'm being honest, I don't feel great about the economy right now. It sucks. Jeffrey Robinson is a high school principal.
We have parents that carpool, that are finding it hard to, you know, keep gas in the car. If it seems like people are feeling especially gloomy about the economy, Joanne Shu has the proof. And surveys like ours, she runs the nation's longest-running consumer sentiment survey at the University of Michigan. It dates back to 1946. Since the Iran conflict, we've been seeing quite a bit of decline in consumer sentiment across the board, across all walks of life.
In fact, she says, consumer sentiment is lower now than it has been at almost any other time in modern history, including the stagflation era in the mid '70s. The nation's inflation climbed to an annual rate of 13.7. The financial crisis in 2008, investors dumped their stock, fearing a big global recession, and the post-COVID price spikes under the Biden administration. Inflation is surging at the fastest pace in. More than forty years, Democrats, Independents, and Republicans—all three groups—feel worse about the economy in this administration than they did in the first Trump administration.
There are a lot of things in this economy that are going. Right, the stock market is doing well. Wages are going up; they're not keeping up with inflation, but they are going up.
So, why do people feel so bad about the economy? The wages not keeping up with inflation is the key key point there.
So, people don't feel like they're able to get ahead. The share of consumers who are expecting their wages to grow faster than inflation fell fell from eighteen percent just you know a year and a half ago to only eleven percent in September. That's a huge. Shu says consumer sentiment initially went up when Trump was reelected two years ago. One of my top priorities will be to quickly defeat inflation and make America affordable again.
But he has failed to deliver on one of his key campaign promises, which he made right here in Michigan just a few weeks before election day. It'll all happen very quickly. This will rapidly drive prices down, lower interest rates, and put more money into the pockets of American consumers. It'll also bring your grocery bill way down. Grocery prices rose by more than four percent over the past two years.
Gas prices rose 35 percent, and mortgage rates are projected to stay above seven percent through next year. It would not surprise me if we see a rate that starts with an eight before we see a rate that starts with a six. In Northville, Michigan, we met real estate agent Michael Perna. How long would a house like this normally sit on the market? A week.
And how long has it been on? It's been thirty-five days.
So is it priced right? I think we're a little over. And that's because the mortgage rates have changed. Yeah, we've raised initially. Mortgage rates were about six and a half percent, and now that they're seven and a half percent, and buyers can afford fifty thousand less, we're a little bit over.
So it's a fantastic neighborhood. He says every rate hike means buyers have to settle for less. And if you can't afford a house where you want to buy. Regardless of how stable your income is, you probably have a a pretty bad attitude about this economy. Yeah, absolutely.
A lot of people, myself included, have a bad attitude about this economy. You have a bad attitude. I do.
So, will sour consumers make for angry voters? Back at the cider mill, some are optimistic, but not all. Are you a supporter of the tariffs? You think that's a good idea? It raises all of our prices, so it's hard.
But when you think long term, I think that it's needed. You think eventually it'll bring more manufacturing back to the U.S. Yes, and that's what we need. Is this the economy that you expected under President Trump in the second term? No.
What did you expect? He promises, and I don't think he kept his promise. The average public is paying a price. I'm not looking for my five thousand dollar check because I know that's not coming. But I don't know how long the economy and the average person is going to be able to sustain what we're going through right now.
Few musicians working today have blended experimental music and pop as successfully as the Spanish star Rosalía, and she's got the hits and Grammys to prove it. With Seth Doane, we take note. I really like how concentrated the energy is in spaces like these. This superstar knows about energy and performing. Her song, inspired by a 12th-century mystic, featuring an orchestra and a booming choir, is not the typical pop formula.
Then again, there's nothing typical about Rosalia. With operatic vocals in Spanish and German, but also an appearance from Bjork. This song, performed at this year's Brit Awards, makes clear the 34-year-old Spaniard's reverence for the classics and desire to do something different. As you were working on this album, how much were you thinking about opera, about tradition? It was definitely a big inspiration.
So New York's Metropolitan Opera House seemed a fitting setting to chat after the global tour for her latest album, Lux, which is Latin for light. Was this tour more demanding than for other albums? Than any I've ever done. Performing on point, for instance, and singing in Japanese, Ukrainian, Catalan, and Arabic. She wrote lyrics in 14 languages.
If you find 14 languages in this album, it's not from a place of exhibition, but a search for communion. Lux was so anticipated that a countdown to announce it snarled traffic in Madrid. The album features the stories of female saints and mystics through history. One might not think, oh, Olga of Kiev, the tenth-century ruler, that will make a great song. I didn't know about her.
And this woman, she was an assassin before becoming a saint.
Some of them were poets. They were prostitutes.
Some were drug addicts. And sometimes you wouldn't. Connect Saint Hood to these words, and it was definitely very inspiring. Do you think about will this be a commercial success? Will people want to buy an album like this?
On one side, there's the responsibility, you know, of okay, I have an office. There's people that I care about, but at the same time, I only can do what's honest for me. And took me two years to make this album. Looks. The self-described perfectionist kept making tweaks so close to the deadline that there are slight differences between the digital version and the vinyl.
I couldn't do this for too long because otherwise it would be interminable. It would be you know like I could be forever doing it. When you listen to the album now, are there things you say, oh I wish I had done this or that? Yeah, always. Can you give me an example?
A mix. Oh, the the violins here they could be half a dB up. Oh, my voice here I could have done another take. Can you then enjoy listening to your own album? I never listen to my albums.
You don't. No. Why? Because it's pointless. Pointless.
Yes. But it's something you've created. I've created it to share it, to let it go. Why would I listen it back? That would be torture.
Her fans would disagree. Rosalía's four albums showcase vast range. Her first was a modern twist on the flamencos she'd spent years studying in music school. 2022's Motomami fused rap and reggaeton and topped multiple album of the year lists. And now, Lux, you have a four-part symphonic structure to this.
You have Choirs, the London Symphony Orchestra. You didn't make your life easy. Yes, it's true. But I don't think I ever do. Why?
What is that inside of you? I don't know. There's just something, some algo como un fuego, like a fire, some sort of like urgency and love for what I don't know. That curiosity was ignited in childhood. Born Rosalia Villa Tobella near Barcelona, she remembers running headlong down a hill with family trying to stop her.
I fell to the floor, and then I opened my forehead, and then they had to take me to the hospital and sew it. And I have this mark here, and this is a reminder that maybe since I was a kid, that's who I was. I never stay still. I never stay. No, if there is something like a guardian angel, mine is definitely is definitely tired.
He cannot even stop for a cigarette. Yeah, I've stressed the poor thing out. That stressed, tired guardian angel has been good to her. Considering she was dropped from a Spanish talent show when she was fifteen, that experience taught me that I had to prepare a lot. It really helped me grow.
I am very grateful for it. By twenty twenty one, Pitchfork was including her on its list of the most important artists of the last twenty five years. With her sometimes experimental sound and juxtaposition of styles, Rosalía is about as close to the avant-garde as mainstream pop gets. She's a fashionista, a staple at the Met Gala, a muse for designers and brands. You from Kansas?
Got some sledding. And is now acting too. What is cancer? I try to have fun while I try new things, and I try not to be in fear. I think if this is my nature, then I embrace it.
And in this latest album, inspired by saints, Rosalía reveals an almost spiritual commitment to her craft. Being a musician for me is a an office as noble as somebody who makes bread or shoes.
So I just go to the studio. And try to put my love and my energy. You'll go in and just work and work and work. Yeah, but out of devotion, I love this. I love making music, so I I devoted my life to that.
Contributor Alison Aubrey is out with a new book. Your turn is what she calls it, and here she is to explain what she means. If you're asking what's next in life, you're not alone. For the millions of Gen Xers like me, we've been in the trenches for decades with work and parenting.
Now everything's changing. Our relationships, our responsibilities, as our kids begin to launch.
So if life is lived in three chapters of learn, earn, retire, then it's time for us to start thinking about that third chapter. But I don't like the word retired. Because it doesn't describe what this next stretch of life can be. When I was a teenager, I went to the Kentucky Derby. As I watched one horse that was stuck in the back of the pack suddenly make a bold move in the third turn and surge ahead to win the race, the fans loved it.
My grandfather told me, Allison, always watch the third turn. There's something exciting and unexpected that happens here. Why? I asked.
Well, because when you can see the home stretch, he told me, a sense of urgency arises. Aha! There's a midlife metaphor. If not now, then when. With that in mind, I took a sabbatical from my day job.
I called it a curiosity tour, and I set out to find people who've made bold third turn pivots: a nurse who sings lead vocals in a band, a lawyer who opened a bookstore, a shy editor who took up improv in her sixties, a counselor who teaches shake your soul dance. Their stories reframe what's possible. Research shows the best longevity hacks are not pills or products, but rather a sense of purpose, a sense of play, creative pursuits such as dancing, singing, painting, gardening, a love of literature or theater. They don't just bring us joy; they appear to slow down aging. A recent study finds engaging with the arts is as powerful as exercise to slow aging.
Of course, exercise and diet matter, but the art of aging invites us to imagine a blank canvas and create something new. Like the people I met on my curiosity tour, who are revving up, not retiring.
So, if you want to surge ahead in your third turn, rip up that old script of learn, earn, retire. The new one is learn, earn, return. A return to the playful. Within, listen to your intuition. This is how to find midlife momentum.
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