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Philadelphia's rich history and culture are showcased through its iconic landmarks, delicious foods, and innovative designs. From the city's oldest homes to its modern-day accessory dwelling units, Philadelphia continues to evolve and adapt to the changing needs of its residents. Meanwhile, in the world of entertainment, the Star Wars franchise has captivated audiences with its beloved characters and stories, and the Mandalorian has become a cultural phenomenon. In Finland, the design house Marimeko has been inspiring creativity and self-expression through its bold graphic designs and colorful patterns.

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I'm Jane Pauley, and this is a special edition of Sunday Morning by Design. We're in the city of brotherly love, Philadelphia, as America prepares to celebrate its 250th birthday in just a few weeks. The Declaration of Independence was written and signed here in 1776.

So was the Constitution in 1787. Philadelphia boasts some of our nation's oldest homes. Betsy Ross lived here. And this is the oldest existing block of homes in all of these United States. 250 plus years of history and style.

emblematic of our never ending quest to live better. Which helps explain why we'll be spending the morning at this early 1900s home on Philadelphia's fabled mainline. Ardrossen. A mansion with roots in the Gilded Age. Back then this was state of the art.

a signpost of modern times, the very best money could buy. An All-American Quest, which Lee Cowan reminds us, continues to this very day. You got my The nuclear family used to be at the center of designing a dwelling, but that's been shifting. That idea that you lived alone on your land. It's kind of a holdover from some, I don't know, European Colonial ideal.

Today, many single-family lots can legally include more than just a single family. Sharing our castles ahead on Sunday morning. Back in 1977, the movie Star Wars introduced us to a world of style all its own. This month, a new Star Wars film is coming to theaters, and its director, actor Jon Favreau, will be talking with our Tracy Smith. He's the actor who also directed Iron Man, Elf, and now The Mandalorian and Grogu.

And he's giving us a very special behind-the-scenes tour. Wow. Do you have Star Wars fans come in here and their head just explodes?

Well, most people don't, you know, get to come in here, but we're not. The force that is Jon Favreau. Later on Sunday morning. You can't pay a visit to Philly without sampling some of its culinary delights. Susan Spencer this morning has an enviable and tasty task.

Some designs are timeless. Take the Philadelphia pretzel. If I had walked into this place 50 years ago, how would it be different? It really wouldn't. Our recipe has never changed: flour, yeast, and water.

Flour, yeast, and water. That is it. That is it. From pretzels to hoagies to the Philadelphia cheesesteak. Designing Classic Philly Foods later on Sunday morning.

Also ahead on this Sunday morning by design. Seth Doan checks in from Finland, home of fashion and lifestyle brand Merrimacko. Connor Knighton explores why the ancient mud and brick mixture known as adobe. has become today's it building material. and much more from Philadelphia.

We'll be right back. Um Philadelphia is known for all types and styles of homes, few as memorable as this one, Ardrassen. You might describe it as the embodiment of the Gilded Age, an era of opulence. Today, at a time when the quest for owning a home of your own is increasingly elusive. Lee Cowan shows us one solution almost anyone can find.

right in your own backyard. Yeah. This is insane. When the Almeda fire tore through the Rogue Valley in southern Oregon back in 2020, it took thousands of homes with it. The result wasn't just a moonscape.

but a housing crisis on top of an already tight rental market. Artist and contractor Jacob Fry and his wife Elise. Yeah. We're spared the flames. Mm-hmm.

but not the desire to help. They had to do something.

So they took out a loan to build two small rental units. in their own yard.

So this was never about. Getting extra income, or it was more about the community and like needing. You know, needing infill housing for people that had been displaced really was the main thing. They're called ADUs, accessory dwelling units, small, fully functional secondary homes. located on the same property as the main home, usually in the backyard.

They've been called granny flats, carriage houses, or mother-in-law suites. Start planning your ADU today. A wave of reforms have made it faster, cheaper, and in theory anyway, legally simpler to add these ADUs almost anywhere. In California, at least three modest-sized units are now allowed on a single-family lot.

Now, they can't be used as short-term rentals, so no Airbnb. The law allows for only long-term tenants, and it's become a booming industry. It's had more impact than any other housing law in the last 10, 12 years. In what way?

Well, there are 82,000 building permits right now in California. Dana Cuff, professor of architecture and urban design at UCLA, helped push the original legislation through. We met her in her ADU.

So, where we're sitting used to be your backyard. That's right. That's right. There was kind of a half-dead citrus tree, probably, right here. Tree house for our kids, and you know, we did lose something in building the house, but.

We gained a lot more. They rent their original home to mostly young tenants just starting out, and they live in the ADU. designed by her husband to fit like a Tetris piece onto their long, skinny lot. Sprawl has hit the wall now, so you can't keep going out.

So then, I mean, the beauty of that from an environmental and a housing and an urban perspective is that then you start building back in. It will come as no surprise when you're talking about building in backyards. There are plenty of not-in-my-backyard critics. This is not granny flats. This is not helping people.

Some argue parking, sewer, garbage, the infrastructure designed for single-family homes. is being stretched too thin. But in the aftermath of those Oregon fires, the Fry's saw an opportunity. They say, you know, if you want to test your marriage, buy IKEA furniture, build an ADU. It worked out.

The Fry's marriage survived, and so did the rental income from the ADUs. In fact, the buildings have almost paid for themselves, even though they continue to rent them at well below market value. We want things to be affordable, you know, so that we can get people in that might not otherwise be able to get a decent situation with a decent landlord. Both the tenants that live here now are like young, newlyweds. Like they're in their early twenties and they both just got married.

If this hadn't been an option for you, where do you think you guys would have been? Probably is still at our parents' houses. It's compact living to be sure, but if you design an ADU right, it can feel much bigger than it sounds. Make a mess. Jared Webber, Katrayana Bowser Smith, and their nine-month-old daughter Miller.

have been living in these 400 square feet happily. for nearly three years now. We tried to look at other places just to even see what there is still on the market and there's nothing comparable to what we have.

So it's small, but it's enough. It's perfect.

So I don't feel cramped at all. I feel like I have a lot of space for one old lady. Down the coast in Los Angeles, 72-year-old Mona Field turned her garage into a two-bedroom ADU.

So, were you using your garage before? The garage was everybody and their brother's storage. Everywhere I look, I see green, so I like that. But she didn't build the ADU for tenants, she built it. for herself.

I knew I did not want to stay, you know, aging in a big house by myself. And there's Miss Ruth. The ADU was her retirement home. which allowed her to offer her house as affordable housing for her daughter. Raise your hand.

Raise your hand for having fun. And her family. Do you want to help, baby? Nadine Levyfield, her husband, Charlie Marshak. Yes.

And they're two small kids. A microphone. But there is still a question. One asked by almost everyone in the ADU space. Even though we had separate spaces, would we be able to cohabitate on the same property in a functional way?

The answer for them anyway. Has been a resounding yes. You know, we have regular standing dinners with my mom and the kids. My mom helps with childcare. We spend time together.

We say, hey, do you want to join us for a stroller walk? Which is really a gift. It's amazing. We're so grateful. Oh, there you are.

Well, now you're getting the fun part. It used to be a home in the suburbs with a white picket fence and two-car garage was all anyone would want. Today, People need housing more than cars, and backyard barbecues might not need an entire backyard. They may not be for everyone, but these days every square foot matters. ADUs offer a different lifestyle.

For a different age, we have to start imagining new ways of living together.

Well Throughout the morning, lucky Susan Spencer will be sampling some of Philly's finest foods, starting with its signature, sandwich. It's a Philly wall. Wow For more than a few Philadelphians, cheesesteak is a sacred cow. When you talk about Philadelphia cheese steaks, you talk about it like it's some holy grail. Yeah, it's.

I hold it close to my heart. I tell people that if it wasn't for Pat Steaks and Philly cheese steaks, Who's gonna come look at a bell with a crack in it? Mm. Huh? I'll probably dive with one of these in my hand.

Frankie Olivieri is the third generation owner of Philly's legendary Pat's King of Steaks. To the non-Philadelphian, what exactly is a cheesesteak? Thinly sliced ribeye on an Italian roll with onions. And a choice of cheese. Take note: the meat is thinly sliced.

Sliced. Never chopped. Because, I mean, God gave us teeth. Yes. It's a steak sandwich.

If you want to chop cheese, you go to New York. God forbid. Exactly.

So for me, it's sacrilegious to chop the meat. But this is sliced. This is sliced. It's not chopped. Another key to designing the perfect Philadelphia cheesesteak sandwich: brace yourself.

Big globs of old-fashioned cheese wiz. How many do you think you've eaten in your life? At least a half a million. Clearly, a Philadelphia cheesesteak is so much more than just a meal. You know that someone loves you.

when you're eating a Patch cheesesteak, when you get down to the very end. and that little corner piece And it's all filled with onion juice and meat juice and cheese whiz. And somebody hands that last bite to you. I'm about to pass out. That's the person you stay married to or you marry, find the justice of the peace and get married right there.

That's love. That's love. The last bite of the sandwich is the best bite of the sandwich. What's old, very old, is new again. Connor Knighton tells us all about the Renaissance of Adobe.

Mateo and Laura Clark aren't just building their own house. They're making their own bricks. The Texas couple recently bought land in Taos, New Mexico, and have decided to construct their dream home out of the land itself. Mixing the excavated soil from their lot with sand and straw to create walls of adobe. Yeah, I mean, we've had hands in every part, every corner.

Yeah, I'll pick up a brick and I'll see a handprint of somebody, you know, that helped make a brick or maybe one of our own handprints. Yeah, there's been a lot of tactile and it's almost, you know, spiritual that people have embedded their fingerprints into the walls. Mm-hmm. Maximizing that hands-on connection while minimizing their environmental impact is what inspired the Clarks to build with Adobe. It's almost like an act of resistance for us, I think, to kind of rebel and go against the norm of what's expected, to be able to show others that that's possible and to have the resiliency to do it.

While Adobe might feel like an unconventional choice today, it was once commonplace, not just in the Southwest, but all over the world. But we haven't changed the way you make a mud brick for ten thousand years. We can see Egyptian writing On the pyramids of people making adobes, and it's the same way we do it now. And it's the same word, Egyptian word atob. Uh which is very similar to Adobe.

Ronald Rael is an architecture professor at UC Berkeley and an Adobe Evangelist. He grew up in a community of Adobe homes in Colorado's San Luis Valley, just north of the New Mexico border. I could probably say with a certain degree of confidence that my family has lived in Adobe houses for the last several thousand years, continuously. And so I also feel like I'm part of an enormous legacy. that I feel a little bit of responsibility to continue in some way.

The legacy of Adobe stretches from the mud brick skyscrapers of Yemen to the Taos Pueblo, churches and homes of what's now New Mexico. One could say it's pretty low tech, but you could also argue that it's very high tech. If you think about Inviting material scientists to come up with a building material that was low-cost, non-toxic, fire-resistant. A recyclable You'd probably spend millions of dollars trying to find what that material is, but humans have spent 10,000 years developing that material, a material that responds to every climactic zone on the planet. Rail has been using advanced 3D printing technology to experiment with serpentine structures made of mud.

The new 54,000 square foot building for the Georgia O'Keefe Museum, currently under construction in Santa Fe, is combining sun-baked adobe bricks with more modern steel beams and advanced humidity control systems. Adobe construction is labor-intensive, which means it isn't cheap. Unless you're like the Clarks and are committed to doing all the work yourself. Adobe can potentially be more expensive than other materials. Still, Ronald Royale believes our long history with Adobe provides something you just can't buy.

A sense of belonging. Baked right into the bricks. When we enter into an Adobe building, people often say, wow, it feels really good in here. And they describe it as a feeling. And I think that feeling.

Is connected to our humanity. We feel right in an Adobe building in the same way a bird might feel right in a nest. Martha Teischner has been busy mapping out a story nearly six centuries in the making. This is called the Upside Down World Map. Yeah.

Okay, then. What's up? This is in the center. And it's on top.

So there's nothing that says that North has to be on top? Absolutely nothing.

So the same atlas. Matthew Edney is a professor of geography and cartography at the University of Southern Maine and the map guru at the university's Osher Map Library in Portland. This is our oldest map in the collection. From 1475, a chronicle of Christianity. We have Uh Moses receiving the tablets.

But then in the foreground, we've got the contemporary ships of medieval crusaders. Open to the public, the library has half a million rare maps, globes, and atlases, the combined collections of two main families. Look at these, a braille map of the United States. the land of make believe. as a real place.

a property map George Washington drew in seventeen fifty, at the age of eighteen, when he was working as a land surveyor. Can anything be mapped? I think so. Libby Bischoff is the Osher's executive director. I collect a lot of maps made by women.

Emma Willard published this one. The founder in 1814 of the nation's first school of higher learning for girls saw the history of time as a temple. On the pillars are key events or people.

So, for the 18th century, we've got John Adams, Washington, everything in grey is pre-Christian. Non-Western civilization missing. In sixteen sixteen John Smith, a founder of the Jamestown colony, published this map It's the first map. to call New England New England. and a bold act of provocation.

It's Disputed between the European powers, the French, the Dutch and the English, of course, is occupied by the ancestors of the modern Wabanaki. What? To assert English ownership. Place naming is Intimately political. Speaking of maps and politics, what about that ice block of a political hot potato?

Greenland. How big is Greenland really? Greenland is much, much smaller. It looks so big, thanks to 16th century mapmaker Gerardus Mercator. His flattened-out version of a round world, the standard classroom wall map in some places still, distorts latitude and longitude.

So as you go up towards the pole, away from the equator, North Pole or South Pole, Everything is being stretched out sideways. The book 1662. Maps have been around a long time. Certainly, we have records of maps that survive going back to. 600.

BCE for the first world map. I look at Michigan, which looks like it's been squished. Part of the fun of old maps is seeing how wrong they were before explorers finally got the geography right.

So, in today's world, are maps obsolete? At the Osher, the answer is an emphatic no. Historical maps help us envision how other people. Knew and understood their world, and we can track how that worldview changes over time.

Something your GPS. Can't do. It's a Philly world. I'm Susan Spencer. Believe it or not, once upon a time, pretzel twisters had the second highest paying job in Philadelphia, right after tobacco workers.

but pretzels are still on a roll. Have you ever known anybody in Philadelphia who did not like pretzels? I don't want to know them. No, absolutely not. Erica Tonelli-Bonet, who runs Center City Pretzel, says that the twisty, crunchy, doughy treat is the essential Philly food.

No disrespect to a certain savory sandwich. The city is so much more than just a cheesesteak. When you think about Philadelphia, I think the pretzel is the first thing that comes to mind. The proof is in the production. She says she churns out tens of thousands of pretzels a week.

What is it about the pretzel that appeals specifically to Philadelphia? It's just the convenience of it. I think for a city that is pretty much blue-collar, we're always on the go, it's simple. You grab, you go, you eat, it's done. It does not require any utensils, napkins, it's not a mess.

So, this is what we're known for. This is a Philadelphia-style pretzel, which is a figure eight. How would you describe a perfectly designed Philadelphia pretzel. Thick crusty. Small hole in the center, perfect amount of salt, little bit of mustard.

That's it. Customers come in two camps: those who like the crunchy ends and those who prefer the doughy middle. Can you tell anything about a person by which end of the pretzel they like? You're probably a softer person if you like the doughier one. And if you like more crunch, you're probably a little bit harder.

Okay. Either way, no one's arguing with the price. Single pretzel runs you 90 cents. Not much you can get for 90 cents. Not much you can get.

And you can feed a family for under $5.

So on pretzels.

So if somebody is... You're not recommending that. I'm not saying it's a balanced food group, but I'm saying it is a food group. And we need carbs for our brain, so. Three points, winner.

There you go. Did you teach him that? Not me. The Mandalorian was an instant streaming success when it debuted a few years back. After critical raves, its characters are now hitting the big screen.

Tracy Smith visits with the creative force behind the show and the movie. Director Jon Favreau. I could say that's a Mandalorian. There he is. The actual N1 spaceship.

In Hollywood, you never know who you might run into. Here's the Anzellan ship with one of our stars standing there. Oh my goodness. Yep, that's Grogu. Baby Yoda to some.

Green, wrinkly, and undeniably cute. The cute stuff in Star Wars tends to be a little weird looking too. It's not like Disney cute, it's Star Wars cute. He's got weird little hairs and sharp little teeth in there and wrinkly skin and claws. Right.

As director Jon Favreau showed us, that's by design. There's an analog handmade feel to a lot of the characters and a lot of the costumes and a lot of the puppets from Star Wars. In the Star Wars world, Favreau is, of course. He created the Disney Plus show The Mandalorian. Think of it as a space western with a blaster-wielding bounty hunter who protects the tiny but powerful alien Grogu.

Favreau's new movie is based on the show. Hang on. The Mandalorian and Grogu comes out this week. It's the first Star Wars film to hit theaters in nearly seven years. You will suffer.

And apologies to Pedro Pascal, who plays The Vandalorian. But his co-star tends to steal every scene. Let's save the rest for after dinner. Uh Did you know when you guys created Grogu that he would? Blow up like he did.

We knew it would be exciting. We didn't realize quite what a phenomenon it would be. And then when we saw the balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, that's when it kind of, as a New Yorker, it really hit me like, wow. This has really hit another level. Yeah, what was that like for you?

It's the whole thing's surreal. To a young Jon Favreau, growing up in Queens with his father, his mother died when he was 12, Hollywood really felt like a galaxy far, far away. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I didn't think being an actor or doing artwork, any of that, was a realistic possibility. That wasn't even in the dream.

I don't think so. No, I like doing it like. in a school play, but I didn't think I just didn't live in a world where that was a possibility. Fortunately, I had people in my life like my dad who he was a school teacher but loved what he did. And I learned early on that you should expect that.

of a of a life and of a career.

So he dropped out of college and started taking improv classes in Chicago. Victory! That's our cry! And at age 26, he was cast in the football classic, Rudy. I had a go.

And it was a really inspiring film. I thought I was, once I was discovered with that, that. You won't look back.

So, once you did Rudy, you thought you were sorry? I thought I was in. You know, when I did get agent and I did. you know, get to go on auditions, but It didn't really pop for me. All right, just forget me.

Forget me, for you should forget it. You're living in the past, man. You hung up on some clown from the 60s, man. He got a few small parts here and there, but he seemed destined to be just another struggling Hollywood actor until he took the advice, write what you know, and turned all that rejection into his first screenplay, Swingers, which became a movie with his buddy Vince Vaughan. You're so money and you don't even know it.

That's what I keep trying to tell you so much. Can you not mess with me right now?

So much of Swinger's dialogue is classic. I'm sure people come up to you all the time and say you're so money. Still, yeah.

Well, people my age, but there's also younger people who do. You think we get there by midnight? Buddy, we're gonna be up 500 by midnight. Vegas! Vegas, baby, Vegas!

It was really a snapshot of where we were living in Hollywood as out-of-work actors. A lot of the dialogue either came from or was inspired by conversations that we had had. Movie didn't make a lot of money, but it opened a door for a lot of us to pursue careers in a more meaningful way.

Sorry! Favreau had enough juice to start directing. Elf, starring Will Farrell, was just his second time behind the camera. The hope was. Could this be something?

that could join the pantheon of other Movies like Christmas Story or Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Charlie Brown, that show every year that become part of the tradition. Not just here, but around the world. People know that film. And three. Two.

What? Yeah. Elf's success led to another huge directing job, 2008's Iron Man. Did your improv roots come into play with Iron Man? Yeah, always.

Because in film... You just need a moment. You just need a twinkle of the eye, or an unexpected delivery of a line, or a reaction. And that breathes life into this. What?

What do you want me to do over there that is irrelevant?

Some say Favreau's style, mixing cutting-edge technology with crowd-pleasing characters, made him one of Hollywood's safest bets for big-budget spectacles. Especially when you have a very effects-driven genre. You want to have moments of spontaneity, inspiration, humanity, because people, at the end of the day, people just care about people. That's what they focus on. That human interaction, those emotional relationships.

And that human connection, even between aliens, is what Favreau thinks makes the Mandalorian and Grogu click. Like the father-son relationship that develops between the Mandarin and Grogo. And father-son relationships have always been a big part of Star Wars, and this is one of the most positive father-son relationships in Star Wars. And ironically, they're not related in any way, but it is a. a family of choice and Star Wars has always been about families coming together.

After all, Jon Favreau, who's 59, still remembers watching the original Star Wars with his family. With this movie, he's hoping other families get to make memories too. Take yourself back to that young kid sitting in a theater watching Star Wars for the first time. If somebody had whispered to you, Hey, you know. Yeah.

these things. Yeah, no, I mean it was it was so unfathomable. To get the opportunity to do Star Wars for the big screen, it feels like you're getting a shot to pitch in the World Series. Mm-hmm. I'm excited to introduce a whole new audience to Star Wars.

Seth Doan is sending us a colorful postcard from Finland, headquarters of famed design house Marameko. Spring comes late in Finland, but when the weather finally turns, some Finns head for community gardens. I think this is the biggest one. But they all have little homes? Yeah, uh not all.

Some are only gardens. There are about 60 around the country where folks can tend to 6,000 privately leased plots. What are these little blue flowers everywhere. It's called Sinni Walker.

Some of the first flowers that we have. little signs of spring. Yeah. The gardens are inspiration for Majelo Ekri, who for the last two decades has been dreaming up designs for the Finnish fabric, homeware and fashion company Marimeko. I just draw.

Draw and draw and draw. And afterwards I have a look what did what did I draw? Proof of her more successful designs sit in her cabinet. This is actually the Cierto Laputa. Yeah.

Her illustrations also make it onto massive pieces of fabric. Marimeco prints about a million yards a year. This is one of L'Ocarie's designs based on the community garden. With names including seagull, stones, and bouquet, nature is a frequent, if abstract, influence for the company's bold graphic designs. What does maremeko mean?

Marimeko means Mary's dress, a girl's dress, essentially. Kind of the everywoman. Exactly.

Sana Kaisa Niko started as a sales clerk.

Now she's a senior executive at the company's Helsinki headquarters, which is awash in patterns, whether on doorways, employees, or dishes in the cafeteria. Marameco got a boost in 1960 when one of its dresses was worn on this Sports Illustrated cover. To see Jackie Kennedy on the cover of a magazine change things. That was a jackpot. Yes, absolutely.

In the 1970s, Marameco's sheets and housewares were sold in the U.S. at stores including Crate and Barrel. More recently, they partnered with Target, IKEA, and Uniqlo. But for Finns, Marimeco has always been the brand. I think almost all Finns have something from Marimeko in their home.

Injecting a little color to dreary post-war Finland was the idea behind this company, founded 75 years ago by Army Ratia. Her husband owned a textile company, but their fabric designs were so bold, Finns did not know what to make of them.

So Army then had an idea to create a fashion show to inspire people what to make out of the fabrics that they created.

So she starts having dresses sewn, has a fashion show, and yes, indeed, immediately. Finns tend to be a bit more sort of introvert and kind of quiet and polite.

So it's this nice thing that sometimes the kind of loud side of your character may then come out come out through your garments. Exactly.

Or like a ballprint. Finnish fashion designer Erwin Latimer has never worked with Marameko, but, like everyone here, grew up with the brand. They've created this Marimaku universe, right? And we are kind of now all walking in that.

Some of the designs in this universe have endured for decades. This signature poppy pattern, Unico, has been printed since 1964. Designer Maya Lo Ekuri finds inspiration from what's right around her. Or just maybe from something deeper. Where does it come from?

It's coming from the finished DNA. From the finished DNA. It's deep inside you. It's something Wow. I'm Susan Spencer.

At Liberty Kitchen in Philadelphia, you will find 25 different kinds of hoagie. Which raises the question What exactly is a hoagie? I'm an alien, I just landed on Earth. How would you describe a Philadelphia hoagie? We start with our sesame cedar roll.

Then we do a little drizzle of our dressing. Then we layer our three deli meats followed by our housemade hoagie relish. Then our onions, our tomato, our lettuce. And then we finish off with a little bit of oregano. Translation, it's a giant sandwich made to order Philadelphia style.

And if you're executive chef Bo Niedhart, it's practically a basic food grew. How many hoagies would you eat in a week? Three, probably. Like safe to say. That's not crazy.

At least three. I would say two and a half. Are you telling the truth? I think. Legend has it that Philadelphians have been living on hoagie since World War I when shipyard workers packed them for lunch.

Have you ever had a hoagie for breakfast? Yes. You're not ashamed of this. No! No!

Today, the city devours tens of millions every year.

So, what are you going to make here today? All right, well, we're going to make our famous Kale Caesar. Needhart showed us how he designs the Kale Caesar cutlet hoagie. A Liberty kitchen concoction that went viral a few years back. I am here to tell you this was 100% worth the hype.

Fried onions, kale, dressing, chicken cutlet on a seated roll. This is one of those classic maneuvers where you take it, take your knife, you put it down in the center, boom, now you can eat it. There you go. No, just kidding. You wouldn't argue with the notion that Philadelphia has something of a love affair with the hoagie.

Oh, it's without a doubt. It is a lifestyle. It is Philadelphia. Hoagies are Philadelphia. I'm Jane Pauley.

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