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Yeah As you've probably heard, CBS Radio is signing off after a legendary 99-year run. Mo Raka talks with another CBS News legend, Dan Rather, about the end of an era. As a kid growing up in Texas, did you listen to CBS News Radio? Yes, indeed. through the local station in Houston, Texas.
was K T R H. the so called voice of the Golden Gulf Coast, It was the local radio station. They were Cevious affiliate. Family, for whatever reason, gravitated to CBS early. I think it's because CBS had a going news operation before almost before anybody else in terms of Radio, but yes.
We heard, you know, Murrow Savaride. Collingwood, so-called Murrow boys. It corresponds to my first memory. I was born in 1931. And my memory isn't clear until I was about six, seven, maybe eight years old.
But I think as early as five or six, For whatever reason, my father and mother were very interested in what was happening. in Germany. That was not the case with everybody. Followed the newspapers very carefully, and they loved radio because radio had. what my father called immediacy.
And in a phrase that was later used when it comes to television. Radio, he's he viewed radio. He and my mother viewed Regio as a kind of ma magic carpet. They would take you there. They'd take you to the war.
It was not always frontline reporting, but you know, it was... far away places with with strange sounding names. You mentioned those giants, Severide, Collingwood, Murrow. What set them apart? Was it the writing?
Was it their voices?
Well, first of all, I do think it was their writing. All of them could write well. You didn't work for Morrow if you couldn't write well. He knew what good writing was and he insisted on having good writing. And this put him in conflict sometimes with the people who ran the network.
who said, for example, they didn't like they didn't think that some of these correspondents had voices for radio. You know, they had rather thin voices. Severide, for example. When he first same to the radio. Absolutely brilliant.
tremendously good writer. But he had a kind of an upscale, thin voice. when he started, and he also speaks slowly.
So over in what we call corporate, they would say, Where the hell does Murrow get these guys? Surely you can find somebody. that has a radio voice. But with Murrow, The radio voice was far down the list. of what he considered to be their requirements.
Good writing was his number one on the list. Writing was paramount, so he overrode the corporate concerns. Yes, with Murrow they did. as uh he eventually convinced The net worth. Chiefs that that was the case.
For example, Collingwood. who was had been a road scholar, and was hired at a very young age. Not only could he write very well with Collingwood, He had a natural voice, which you might say, was more our voice for radio.
So Collingwood became a favorite of William S. Paley, who owned the network. at that time. Were you inspired by these newsmen from an early age? I certainly think it's fair to say I was inspired by them.
The biggest thing is I was intrigued by them. Because as The war grew. And eventually as America got into the war, corresponding with our entry to the war. I had rheumatic fever as a child. It was at that time considered an incurable disease.
It was every mother's nightmare, second only to polio.
So I was confined to bed, I mean literally confined to bed. as a result of the rheumatic fever.
So the radio became my constant companion. And yes, I was inspired by what the Murrow boys and Murrow himself were doing. But I also was very almost I would say riveted to the radio. because he was my constant companion. being in bed all the time sometimes I was late, I was listening to the radio after my parents had gone to So and frequently was listened to the radio before they got up in the morning.
So it was a combination of being inspired saying, You know, gosh, these guys are brilliant. These men are absolutely brilliant. How do they do that? It was the intrigue of Again. They were far away.
They were doing a lot of action. including dangerous work. And how could you how as a young boy 10, 11, 12 years old. Could I not be riveted to that? Especially given the fact that it was regular was a 24-hour day comp companion.
You got your start in radio and then eventually you made your way to CBS. When you came to CBS, were you CBS radio or were you CBS television at first?
Well, at that time, I came to CBS News first. in 1962. and radio and television. We're both still big inside the network. and outside the network.
When I came in 1962, The Television News Revolution. which began after the assassination of President Kennedy. had not yet fully taken hold. In 1962, Most people still got most of their news either from newspapers or from radio. But television news was exploding.
and with stories such as the civil rights movement of Dr. Martin Luther. Luther King the building situation in Vietnam. Television during the 60s came to overwhelm both newspapers. and radio as the place where most people got most of their news.
But When I first came to CBS News, it was still accepted. that many, many people, perhaps most people, still got at least the headlines of the news. from radio. I I particularly like radio because I kind of felt like Whether it was true or not, I felt like I knew what I was doing on radio. With television Television news was still at this stage.
It was all new. Nobody knew what the hell they were doing. We were just making it up. as we went along but with the radio Yeah With radio, you knew exactly what to do. And I felt more confident with radio than I did with television.
But radio was still big in 1962. One can say that after the assassination of President Kennedy. in November of 1963. Then television descent was steeped hurriedly. Hurried.
and both newspapers and radio. Uh Didn't it fade into the background? but they certainly were behind television. November 1963, CBS television viewers learned about the assassination of President Kennedy from Walter Cronkite, but a whole lot of people were listening to the radio that day. Di is it right that you reported the assassination on the radio?
Yes. Uh that's true. This had appeared after the President had been shot. but before it was clear what was wrong with him. And I had a virtually an open line to radio, that is, to.
The line stayed open most of the time. And with the help of people at the local station, We've confirmed that President Kennedy was Not only had he been shot, but he was dead.
So I was relaying that to radio. And I think it was more bank, but at least one of the editors There. picked up on what he said you know You're telling me that President Kennedy is dead. I said, yes, they haven't announced it yet, but yes. We didn't discuss whether it was a good idea to put it on radio or not.
But the next thing I knew, they were playing the Star-Spangled Banner. And they were announced on CBS radio. That um President Kennedy was dead.
So yes, you're right. Walter Cronkite informed the nation on television. And I informed the CBS News radio division of the death of the president. And just so that we're we're clear. You said you were talking to the editor, but was it your voice that reported his death on the radio?
No. I can't remember whose voice it was. It might have been Dallas Townsend. who was a big name in radio. But no, it was a case of...
I was speaking to the radio editor. And then it had a surface. related to the if you will the the broadcaster the newscaster It all happened very suddenly, and looking back on it, you can say, well. Maybe we weren't as careful as we should have been. But You know, when you do breaking news.
Then as now You have to make judgments when to go and when to hold. Is this right that during the civil rights era in the 1960s, you would file reports as many as a dozen times a day for radio? Is that right? That's true. For example, when uh The University of Mississippi, an effort was being made to desegregate it.
There was a series of riots, including a nighttime riot. in which some people were killed. That story, we were on the air. every hour on the hour. For A can I think 12 hours.
But radio had the And then as now, had a certain immediacy about it. They could not be matched by newspaper magazine reporting. or for that matter. by television reporting. For example, what happened at night on campus?
It was a night of rioting and and death and very dangerous situation. With television you have to have the pictures. And it's hard to take pictures in a riot at night. We did take a few, but it's You know, you can't turn on your lights for fear of getting shot at.
So radio really was in the lead. I would say informing people. during that time and other times. How did all those years of work in radio prepare you for the anchor chair of the CBS Evening News?
Well, first of all, I say with a smile There are any number of people who still believe that I was never qualified. to be anchor of the of the evening news. But to be serious and try to answer your question. I don't think there's any doubt. that I would never have become the anchor.
and managing editor of the CBS Evening News. had I not spent years working in radio. Because I wasn't the best writer at CBS News. then I could write pretty well. But I could ad live with the best of them.
That is, work without a script. Because I had done While I was doing news radio, if you will, it's radio stations. I did play-by-play football, baseball, basketball. Where you have no script and you're constantly creating word pictures. And you have to, in the phrase of the business, hold air without a script.
So when I came to CBS News, Having said, yes, I could write and write pretty well. But I was by no means the best writer there. And I had to work very hard to kind of improve myself. But when it came to ad living, it was something they came to recognize pretty Soon. I could hold air.
How should CBS News Radio be remembered? CBS radio should be remembered. For becoming a national institution. very important to the development of news other than newspapers. It for many, many years was a part.
And I would argue Not a small part. of what held the country together. This is particularly true in times of great stress. At 9-11, or the Kennedy assassination. to name two times.
Most people were looking for some place to go. for information they knew they could count on. No opinion. Facts. straight up no chaser news.
And CBS News initiated the development of radio news back in the 30s. Edward O'Murrow is the founding saint. of radio news as we came to know it. and CBS News. was built in the Murrow image.
and became this national institution. woven into the fabric of the country. and which people depended on it for news. You know, CBS radio, I think a lot of people don't realize. I think it was something like six or seven hundred stations.
even in the later years. or carried CBS radio. At its height, maybe more than that. But it's really helped to create the dawn. of electronic journalism.
from out of CBS News Radio. Group CBS News Television. I'm Jane Pauley. Thank you for listening. And for more of our extended interviews, follow and listen to Sunday Morning on the free Odyssey app.
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