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Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley, and this is Sunday morning. The spookiest day of the year is almost here. That's right, Halloween is coming up on Friday.
So we thought this would be a good time to examine just a few of the things that really scare us. With Susan Spencer, we'll delve into the frightening world of people who live with phobias. Are you afraid of heights? Closed spaces, needles at the doctor's office, some 33 million American adults will struggle with a phobia at some point in their lives. What happens if you see a cockroach?
I scream. heart starts to pound, my blood comes out of my brain, and I run for dear life. What's your phobia? Ahead on Sunday morning. According to Billboard, the top country music artist of the 21st century to date is Kenny Chesney.
His enviable list of hit songs, a dedicated following, and sold out stadium crowds are proof. But, as our Lee Cowan has discovered, down in Key West, He's just another local. Yeah.
Nowhere else in this world and now He's the first to say he's no Jimmy Buffett. Yeah.
Kenny Chesney can turn anything into a beach party. with nothing but a guitar and his voice. I feel more comfortable in my skin up there in front of 60,000 people than I do. in my everyday life. Sun Tanto.
We're chasing the sun with country's kitty chips. Link. On Sunday morning. Mary Shelley wrote the gothic novel Frankenstein more than 200 years ago. It's a story that's proven remarkably enduring, inspiring an array of modern-day filmmakers.
The latest, Oscar winner Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican director discusses his version of The Monster with Seth Doan. It's Frankenstein's monster, like we've never seen him. Do you identify more with Victor Frankenstein, the creature? The creature. Because we have a world that tells you you shouldn't be a creature, but in reality we're all weird in some way.
Everything is trying to direct and showcase these eyes. The weird and wondrous creation of director Guillermo del Tor. Coming up this Sunday morning. Tony DeCoppol catches up with Nick Thompson of The Atlantic, who might just be the fastest CEO on Earth. Chris Van Cleve goes for a drive with Ford chief Jim Farley.
Robert Costa sits down with California Governor Gavin Newsom, perhaps President Trump's most vocal adversary. And more. It's the Sunday morning before Halloween. october 26, 2025. and will return in a moment.
Halloween is on our minds right now, but some of the fears we all live with can be forever. Or are they? With Susan Spencer we proceed with caution. As an ICU nurse and EMT, Kathy Machuga has seen it all, and yet she is still scared to death of going to the dentist. It is like anxiety and Steroids.
It's a terrible thing. I cannot explain what happens. Machuga, who seems so calm at home, becomes an emotional wreck at the dentist's office, and has even fled an appointment before it was over. I felt like I couldn't breathe and I felt like I couldn't swallow.
So I climbed out of the chair and I laughed. Do you in your own mind think of this as a phobia? By definition, it is. Whether it's going to the dentist, getting on a plane, or crossing a bridge, an estimated thirty three million American adults will struggle with a phobia at some point. A phobia is an intense fear of something that poses little or no threat.
Psychologist Luana Marcus is a phobia specialist with a phobia of her own. I'm afraid of cockroaches. What happens if you see a cockroach? I scream. heart starts to pound, my blood comes out of my brain, and I run for dear life.
But when she's not running from roaches, Marcus, an associate professor at Harvard, helps patients manage or even better, conquer their intractable fears.
So how long have your patients typically been trying unsuccessfully to deal with this? By the time somebody comes to me, On average, I'd say 10 years. She practices exposure therapy, forcing patients to face their phobias repeatedly until the brain learns not to be afraid.
So I'm afraid of flying. You put me on a plane and make me fly every day.
So I recently went to India to help somebody that was afraid of flying and we took 20 flights in five days. Did it work? It did work. You've actually used your own home as a way to communicate with people who are Claustrophobic. Yeah, so we're gonna.
Marcus insists her claustrophobic patients get in the really tiny elevator in her office. It's tight in here. It's tight. Then she makes them ride it up and down, over and over. How do they react?
They usually tell me that I'm the devil and they want to run out of here. The list of recognized phobias is long, and some are quite baffling. genuphobia is described as a fear of knees. Pagonophobia is a fear of beards. Supermodel Tyra Banks has had a lifelong fear of dolphins, and when he wasn't scaring the wits out of us, Alfred Hitchcock had a fear of eggs.
There's the phobias everybody talks about, like, oh, I have a fear of enclosed spaces or fear of the dark or fear of heights. That's kind of accepted. Then there's the other ones. And so there's this sense of you don't want to have that level of embarrassment with certain ones if you're a unique population. Oh, you just rammed yourself over.
Jill Coleman knows that from watching her dad Carl Moulton, a weather phobic, Who admits he sometimes hides in the closet during thunderstorms?
So let's say, just as a for instance, we're sitting here and suddenly big black clouds roll up. and we start hearing rumbles of thunder. How would you respond to that? I don't think I would just get up and leave and say, you're on your own and I'm going to go into the closet. But I would get anxious and wondering, well, okay, hopefully it's not going to get real bad.
Are your hands getting clammy as you describe this? A little bit. Although they live in Muncie, Indiana, Carl keeps tabs on the weather nationwide. monitoring multiple radars every day. That hail is probably two inches or more in diameter.
How long have you and Carl been married? 54 years. And at what point were you aware that he has this sort of unusual relationship with the weather? During dating, I think.
So it's been a long time. Is it? Hard to live with somebody who has this sort of fear. I'm okay, I moved out of the house. Carl's wife, Karen Moulton, and daughter Jill co-wrote a research study on weather phobia.
Not only did they have Carl as a model, but Karen is Professor Emerita of Psychology at the University of Kansas, and Jill, an associate dean at Ball State University, is also a climatologist. And how common do you think this is?
Well, based on our study, about 10% of the population has some, you know, fear. But the extreme is probably about 2%. Good morning. Good morning. How are you?
Just wonderful.
Meanwhile, back in New York, Kathy Machuga reluctantly dragged herself to the dentist to get a crown repaired. For me to do this is probably like somebody else having a major brain surgery or a life threatening surgery. I think studies have shown that about one in every five Americans has some sort of fear of the dentist. Does that strike you as about right? I would be surprised if it was that low.
Really? Yeah.
Okay. Kathy's dentist, Louis Siegelman, specializes in anxious dental phobic patients. Kathy travels 274 miles to see him. I like to call every new patient myself beforehand. To reassure them.
To reassure them, but just to make some connection with them. But beyond support, Dr. Ziegelman, a board-certified dental anesthesiologist, also offers sedation. Her phobia forgotten, Kathy slept peacefully through most of her two-hour procedure. At the end of the day, I have a nice shiny new truth.
Do people ever completely get over phobias? I believe they do. I am not afraid of heights anymore. I do think though that you have to continue to do exposure for most people. Yeah, because you are still afraid of cockroaches.
I am still afraid of cockroaches. Is there one final thought that you'd like to leave audiences with about this subject? that it's not uncommon. I mean, a lot of people have some fear that's higher than normal.
Okay. You're not alone. California's Governor Gavin Newsom has been serving in elective office for more than two decades now. But perhaps his most visible role these days is as one of the Trump administration's most persistent critics. He's talking with our Robert Costa.
Got hundreds and hundreds. ICE and Border Patrol. Don't think for a second. We're not going to be seeing more of that through Election Day. These guys are not screwing around.
This past week, California Governor Gavin Newsom was on the campaign trail. Not running for office, but stumping for a state ballot measure that has attracted national attention. Proposition 50. Manifest the futures inside of every single one of you. If it succeeds next week, Democrats will change the boundaries of U.S.
House districts in California and make it easier for their party to win more seats. We can't stand back and watch this democracy disappear district by district all across this country. We're giving the power to the people. Newsom says Prop 50 is a direct response to President Trump's redistricting push in Republican-controlled states like Texas. The new map would give the GOP an advantage in at least five more seats.
On one level, Proposition 50 is about congressional maps, but you're framing it as something bigger. Yeah, I mean, I think it's about our democracy, it's about the future of this republic. I think it's about. you know, what the founding fathers lived and died for, this notion of the rule of law, not the rule of Don, this notion of popular sovereignty fundamentally, a co-equal branches of government. System of checks and balances, his presidency de facto ends.
Next November. If we're successful, We, the people, are successful in taking back. Uh The House and making sure that you really believe, Governor, if the Democrats take back power in the House, his presidency's over? De facto as we know it today, fire and fury. signifying maybe something.
But finally, You. have. Rebalanced. this system. co-equal branch of government begins to assert itself, it appears again.
If you have a Speaker Johnson, We may have a third term. of President Trump. I really believe that. Newsom, 58, has emerged as one of Trump's leading antagonists at a time when the President is wielding executive power across the board. and facing little pushback from Republicans in Congress.
We do not want our streets militarized by our own armed forces. Not in LA, not in California, not anywhere. Newsom has fought Trump's deployment of the National Guard in California. And just minutes before we sat down on Thursday. The President had pulled back from a threat to send Federal agents to the streets of San Francisco, where Newsom once served as mayor.
What's it like being the governor of the state of California and not knowing day to day if the federal government's going to be sending agents or not to your state. Yeah, I mean it's a it Hell of a way to govern. I mean, we're just governing in just profound uncertainty. This sort of tectonic plates that we're familiar with out here on the West Coast, but of the nature of our politics. find this, you know, may not be a sort of prudent thing to say about the president of the United States, but I mean he's an invasive species.
For California. For the country. For the world. He's a wrecking ball, not just the symbolism and substance of the East Wing. He's wrecking alliances.
Truth, trust, tradition, institutions. What do you say to Republicans, Governor, and critics of California who say California needs ice? You've heard that refrain from all of them. But California cooperates as it relates to criminals. We continue to cooperate out of our state penitentiary system.
hundreds of people every month that we coordinate with ICE to go after the worst of the worst. That's not what this is about. And everybody knows it. You don't just randomly show up at a car wash and tell me it's about the worst of the worst. You don't randomly show up at the showrooms or the parking lots of every Home Depot.
He's destroying one of our great states. Newsom's critique hasn't stopped Trump from stepping in or hitting back. This past summer, Trump suggested Newsom should be arrested for how he's led California. And this past week, the Justice Department said it would send election monitors to keep an eye on the Prompt 50 vote. Newsom has called it intimidation.
Yet, Newsom isn't only countering Trump. He's also trying to understand his movement. That includes bringing the president's allies onto his podcast, such as the late Charlie Kirk. Because I think people need to understand your success, your influence. You've spoken about how your son has told you to pay attention to some of these voices out there.
Well, we didn't pay attention. I mean, we've got a crisis in this country besides the crisis that we've discussed around. the future of this republic, but we also crisis uh with masculinity and men. Men are struggling and multi-ethnic. I mean, suicide rates are off the chart, dropout rates, suspension rates, loneliness, despair, deaths of despair.
Mates are serious. Crisis that's going on in this country. Democrats haven't focused on that issue. And I'm very proud of the work or substantive work we're doing in this, but I've also been using the podcast to highlight that. Podcasts are just part of Newsom's attempt to get some traction in our so-called attention economy.
Another has been satire. Newsome's team has parodied Trump's use of social media. mocking the President's use of capital letters and AI-generated art. Thank you guys. Thank you.
But Newsom has not abandoned old-fashioned politics. This past July, we spent a day following him across South Carolina. Which just happens to be a key state in the 2028 presidential race. Donald Trump, if we do this right. Within 18 months?
De facto will no longer be President of the United States. He will be muted. You can't make it. And you're not afraid to go into red states. No.
When I saw you slinging shots behind the coffee bar, I thought this guy might run for president. I have no idea. The idea that a guy who got 960 on his SAT. that still struggles to read scripts. That was always in the back of the classroom.
The idea that you even throw that out is, in and of itself, extraordinary. Who the hell knows? I'm looking forward to. who presents themselves in 2028 and who meets that moment. And that's the question for the American people.
Is it fair to say after the 2026 midterms? you're going to give it serious thought. Yeah, I'd be lying. Otherwise, I'd just be lying. And I can't do that.
Governor, you have long said that if you ever run for the White House, you need a compelling why, a reason. Are you moving closer? to figuring out your own why and your own decision. Yeah, and he just said if you have a compelling why, you can endure any how. And so I don't think, I think the biggest challenge for anyone who runs for any office is people see right through you.
If you don't have that, why? Uh you're doing it for the wrong reasons. And so uh look Well that that will that Fate will determine that. You certainly seem to like being on the ground in South Carolina, I have to say that. Seeing you up close, you were having a good time.
I happened to, and thank God. I'm in the right business. I love people. I actually love people. Every now and again we like to check in with the people in the driver's seat of American companies.
This morning Chris Van Cleve takes us to the cradle of the nation's auto industry to catch up with Jim Farley, CEO of Ford. At Ford's Michigan Assembly outside Detroit, more than 4,500 hourly employees turn out about 100,000 Broncos a year. Mm-hmm. A new one every sixty seconds. Which automaker employs the most hourly workers in the country?
Ford. For obvious reasons, Ford's been touting its commitment to American manufacturing. More than 80% of its vehicles sold in the U.S. are indeed made in America. That's the highest share of any Detroit automaker.
This is very exciting to me. This is the automobile industry. But Ford imports many parts and has been hit hard by President Trump's tariffs. Mr. President, on the car.
Why can't you just make all the parts here? That's a great question because it's not affordable. Jim Farley is Ford's CEO. He says if Ford only used American-made parts, American-made cars would be too expensive for many Americans to buy. An F-150 you go from $700 a month to $900 a month.
and some components Varley says no one even makes in America. There are parts, fasteners, wiring looms from other countries. And we pay our tariffs, sometimes up to 70% on those parts. That's giving us a $2 billion bill. It's about 20% of our global profit is going away in tariffs.
Who ends up paying that.
Well the company right now and in the end of the day, it's all these workers Farley has deep roots in Michigan. His grandfather was Ford Motor Company's 389th employee, one of the first to help build the Model T. But Farley himself is not a Ford lifer. Before joining the company in 2007, he spent nearly two decades at Toyota. How did it go over in the Farley family when you went to Toyota?
Not well. Ha ha ha. Because at the time You know, they were just all through the seventies There was just job loss after job loss across southeast Michigan. Because of slumping car sales, unemployment in the auto industry now stands at more than 18%. But the problem is much larger.
Latest figures show domestic auto sales still in a skid, but Japanese cars keep rolling ahead. And my grandfather was thinking about all the people who had lost their jobs. They were like, why? Why are you doing this? I wonder, do you see similarities between You know, the 80s when the US auto industry was facing the increased competition from Japan.
to today where it's China. Oh, I think it's exactly the same thing, but it's on steroids. Ironically, it's a Biden-era tariff that has so far spared Detroit from that competition. I'm determined. that the future of electric vehicles will be made in America.
In May of last year, the U.S. imposed a 100% surcharge on Chinese-made electric vehicles, which effectively bans them from the American road. But Chinese E V's are gaining ground in Europe. Latin America and especially China, the world's largest market. Farley has called these small, inexpensive, tech-savvy cars an existential threat.
They have enough capacity in China with existing factories. to serve the entire North America market. put us all out of business. Japan never had that.
So this is a completely different level. of risk for our industry. Are the Chinese cars being made today something Americans would want to buy? Yes. I drive in uh a Xiaomi SU7, high quality.
Great digital experience.
So you're driving a Chinese. I do. Why? Because of the competition. and to beat them you have to know them.
Farley's first hand experience with Chinese E V's is a big reason Ford is pivoting to smaller, more affordable electric vehicles. It represents the most radical change on how we design. and how we build vehicles at Ford. since the Model T. That hands on approach is one holdover from his days at Toyota.
So this is what we've been doing for like Three and a half solid days. Another is his annual road trip to see products in action. We joined him on an off-road excursion through southern Utah. as the company ponders the next generation of the Bronco. Throughout your career, you've had this idea of going and seeing things?
I believe Genji Genbutsu is a Japanese word that means go and see where the work is actually done. I took a lightning through California. with my son and it It became pretty clear. That we had a big problem with our charging network.
So after that trip, I called Elon. out of the blue. Never met him or anything. I was like Is there any way you would share your supercharger network with Ford? The road trips do have almost a little bit of a Tommy Boy feel to them.
Okay. Yeah.
If you heard his name and noticed the resemblance, You weren't wrong. The late actor Chris Farley was Jim Farley's cousin. I think there's um a little bit of kid in all of us farleys. a little bit of that kind of devilish little snarky tomfoolery. I see as P here R.
Uh D what is what is other P? Actually, I have no idea what that is. One way to find out. Mm-hmm. On the other hand, I would say I was, you know, kind of on the pretty serious side of the Farley sports.
spectrum. AI can watch. Jim Farley will need every bit of that serious side to steer Ford through one of its biggest economic and political tests in decades. building a future that keeps tens of thousands of American auto workers on the line. What I care about is, is that transformation afford.
I'd like to be able to come back here in 20 years if I'm still alive and see all the people. that they're still busy. Like my grandfather. You know, my grandfather had nothing. until he had the four job.
Our jobs as leaders Or about them. This weekend, our look at these United States reminds us that history is always being made. With Mooraka, we're off to the People's House, the White House.
now under construction, a project swirling in controversy. In its 225-year history, the White House has seen a lot. If these walls could talk, They'd have plenty to say as an entire arm, the East Wing, has been torn off to make room for President Trump's ballroom. Change has always been a part of the White House's story. First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy said as much during her famed televised tour of the mansion in 1962.
This house will always grow and should. In seventeen ninety two George Washington chose Irish born James Hoban's simple yet elegant design in a competition that included this entry by Thomas Jefferson. Our second President, John Adams, became the first chief executive to live there. In the mantel of the State dining room Adams's words are inscribed I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house, and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. may none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof.
But only fourteen years later the British set fire to it during the war of eighteen twelve. In twenty fourteen, then curator William Allman showed me the remaining burn marks. Scorching that would have happened when flames were drawn out through open windows and doors and licked up around the tops of the stones. It was reconstructed in just three years. In eighteen eighty nine, First Lady Caroline Harrison complained that the rats have nearly taken the building.
She also proposed a major expansion. but her grandiose vision never got past the drawing board. East and West wings were added in nineteen oh two. Seven years later the rotund William Howard Taft added the Oval Office. By nineteen forty eight the White House was in danger of collapsing.
it would have been cheaper to level the place and rebuild it. But President Harry Truman decided that preserving the exterior walls was crucial to the country's sense of continuity. A blown-up White House is only okay in the movies. Instead, the interior was entirely gutted. Truman also added a balcony and a An alteration which provoked an outcry.
The current alteration is much more significant. The planned 90,000 square foot ballroom is nearly double the size of the main house. The President himself has estimated it will cost three hundred million dollars. to be paid for, he says, by private donations. And this is all despite his promise that the new construction would not interfere with the current building.
The White House isn't a private home. nor is it just some government building, It's the People's House. No surprise Any major change will have people asking a lot of questions. Shout out! Only one who really understands what gets me.
She thinks my track. You're sexy. Kenny Chesney has been on top of the country music world for nearly 30 years, with no signs of slowing down. With Lee Cowan, we take note. Just as the sun was going down in the heart of old Key West, Florida.
A self-described pirate. rode his rust-ravage bike to this restaurant to meet a friend. There's your buddy. A friend, we just happened to be in the middle of interview. She said, come in.
But that's the thing about country music's Kenny Chesney. You wanna come in? Down here. Woohoo! He's not really a superstar.
He's just another laid-back look. We know a lot of the same people. Yeah, yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. He collects characters like seashells.
He met David Wegman at Ivan's Stress-Free Bar down in the British Virgin Islands. Above the bar was written in shells. Yeah.
No shirt, no shoes, no problem. That's right. And they'll shoot. No shirt. And no problem.
That song helped make Chesney one of the biggest touring acts around.
Nowhere else in this world and now almost every summer. Yeah.
into beach parks. And the entertainer of the year. Kenny Chesney! The Academy of Country Music's Entertainer of the Year Award. Kenny Chesney!
He won it four years in a row. And just last week. He was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. Sun gentle Tickling the sand. A career-topping accomplishment that he credits.
to taking that tropical turn in his career. You know what's crazy is I had an 18 song Greatest Hits album. And nobody knew who I was What do you mean? They they knew the songs. But I wasn't comfortable with my skin yet.
I didn't know who I was supposed to be as an artist yet. I would go do shows and they would go, oh yeah, that's the guy that sings that song. She thinks my tractor's sexy. Mm-hmm. And then that's the guy that sings that song.
She got it all. When I started being my true authentic self, that's when everything changed. I love it here. He could have taken us to some tiki bar down in the Keys to keep up his tropical brand. But instead, well, I love the history of it.
Hemingway is my favorite rider. He wanted to show us this. the room where Hemingway worked on to have and have not in Green Hills of Africa. The space is almost like a sacred place. Yeah, do you feel it?
Yeah, I feel it. I spent so much almost two weeks straight on the bow of my boat in the Virgin Islands reading those books. Which might explain why he came down here to work on his first book. Out next month. This book forced me.
The pause. For all his love of the islands, he writes it was his own mom who first realized that. he may have drifted too far from his East Tennessee roots. She wanted her 12-year-old boy back in ways and he was gone. Gone, gone, gone.
She had a hard time. finding you, kind of hard had a hard time reaching you. It hit me. a little bit, but I was so already so addicted to Seeking an adventure, and all of it, and all these new things happening in my life, that I dismissed it. He kept going, kept touring, kept writing.
Move on like a song. Let go. until a concert in Indianapolis back in 2009. Never stepped in a clear We talk about kind of hitting a wall. And you just started crying on stage and he didn't know what was going on.
In that moment, I was so exhausted and numb to all of it that it wasn't making me happy. I wasn't creating the same way, I wasn't connecting to the audience, and I went. It just it just hit me and yeah. It took sports. to get me out of that funk.
I feel that chill, smell that fresh cut grass. He grew up. playing baseball, football, loving every inning, every down.
So when a song called The Boys of Fall crossed his path, And this Knocking heads and talking trashes Slinging mud and dirting grasses He didn't only record it, He began interviewing coaches and players about sports and life and turned it into a documentary. For ESPN. This thing about football being a team game, life is a team game, buddy. It's the big game. I needed Joe Namath.
I needed Bill Parcells. And I sat in Bobby Bowden's living room and he talked to me like a deacon at a Baptist church. Oh, I woke up one day and I went, I'm back.
Now wanna wait No, he's the one doing pregame pep talks back today. Like here at Steer in Las Vegas. Many on his team have been with him for decades. There's confidence. and familiarity.
I had to sit on the bus and think about what I'm getting ready to go do. Yeah.
It went. They would Yeah, I I don't I don't do well with that. Park truck stops, bait a little mad dots. New York to LA. He put on the kind of show his fans expect.
A kaleidoscope of sand, sunsets, and songs. And we met him the next morning. He was still buzzing. I can see there and I can see there. And the first couple of nights I caught myself singing a song and I was like Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Wow, this is so cool. And then I've forgotten the words to a song that I actually wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to cute or made me crazy. There it is.
On stage with him this night was Grace Pock. The singer-songwriter he recruited for a duet. even though country really wasn't her thing. The two are now? Lifelong friends.
You know, there's people who have always seen him as just the iconic, you know, statue of David of country music. It's when I go to Florence, I stand beside him. There's just so much more underneath it that's more interesting than the sculpture itself, you know? I've read a lot of books. Wrote a few songs.
Look to my life where it's going, where it's going. Indeed, the off-stage Kenny Chesney is a more complicated guy, more thoughtful guy, even a little shy, if you can believe it. That's the East Tennessee part that will always remain. Cheers and please. as he's chasing sunsets.
To the way that I see it when I sit in that old blue chair It takes a certain amount of ego to be up there on stage and to do what I do. Yeah.
Right? but I try really hard to leave that person up there. I can't live with that person every day. And I don't want that person in my life every day. But I'm really glad to meet him when I go back up there.
It's alive, it's moving everywhere. It's alive. Oh, it's alive. It's alive. It's alive.
He's alive. Just in time for Halloween comes a new cinematic version of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Oscar winning director Guillermo Del Toro shares his vision of this movie classic with our Seth Doan. But uh Muscle system, heart. These drawings are Victor's anatomical charts.
He considered every tendon, every suture. Let's tuck that in. And admits: yes, for some, that can be a bit much.
Sorry about breakfast. Yes, but Sunday morning. But to bring Viktor Frankenstein's monster to life in cinema, Filmmaker Guillermo del Toro first was playing creator himself. We made, I think, the most extensive, minute, anatomical putting together of the monster in the history of cinema. Victor.
Frankenstein. Del Toro, who resurrected Frankenstein for Netflix as writer, producer, and director. took us around a London exhibition detailing his elaborate vision for the Gothic classic. You wanted people to be able to kind of experience the filament. Yeah, and you can see the wardrobe elements, you can see the props.
Del Toro's extensive notes are there. How long before you shoot a movie are you writing in your diary?
Sometimes for years. As is the original text. I would steal. I would do a full pink panther. Inscribed from Mary Shelley to Lord Byron.
Pretty nice. That's pretty nice. The groundbreaking novel about a scientist who creates a living, feeling being mixes horror, romance, and humanity. It was penned by Mary Shelley, who finished it when she was just nineteen, more than two hundred years ago. Why does this story endure?
Well, first of all, it was written by a teenager that was full of questions and rage and rebellion. You know, it's the same questions we have now. What are we? Why am I human? Why am I here?
It is finished. It's no coincidence this film comes out around Halloween. No, no, you know, to me, Halloween is all year long. What do you mean? I live in a house that has secret passages.
I live in a house that is inhabited full of monsters. I live in a house in your mind? No, I build it. Like they were monsters right now. When I was 40 something, I invested everything I had into creating the house I wanted when I was seven.
Well, no wonder you wanted to make Frankenstein. I have a room. Dedicated to Frankenstein. I call it the living room. What do you do in the room?
I say hello to all the figures in the morning. I write, I investigate, I design. He started experiencing life through literature, he says, growing up in Guadalajara, Mexico. This wasn't just any story, any book you read. No.
You'd really wanted to make this film. I gave it over 50 years of my life, so yes. It's in all my movies. All 13 movies have elements of the film. Get only papa!
Pinocchio is a prodigal father asking for forgiveness of his child. I need you! My first movie, Kronos, deals with eternal life. We can share. Eternity.
Shape of water? Shape of water, certainly. The idea of the monster being of the same essence than the main female character and the female character recognizing herself in it. We are all creatures. I mean, we have a world that tells you you shouldn't be a creature, but in reality, we're all weird in some way.
In what way are you weird? I was this strange Pale creature that liked to read, and I was a hypochondriac at age seven. I thought I had trichinosis, I thought I have. cirrhosis and I studied medical manuals and I would go to my mom and say, I think I have a terminal cancer.
So I was a weird, weird kid. Monsters tell you, look, it's okay to be you, it's okay to be imperfect. You say someone needs to tell you it's okay to be you. Who was the that person for you. Boris Karlov, Godzilla, the creature from the Lag Lagoon.
What is beautiful about monsters is they become patron saints of imperfection. Boris Karloff's 1931 portrayal of Mary Shelley's monster is film history. This sounds like trickery will simply not do trickery. Chooky. In Del Toro's reimagination, Oscar Isaac is Victor Frankenstein.
Every day there was some new beautiful, strange thing waiting for me to try and do. You know, to be invited to do these kinds of things as a performer. It's like, you know, this once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing. Jacob Melordy is his very different creation. What did you do to become the creature?
Well I don't know if that will really fit onto a news bit. Try it. I couldn't tell you, it's this elusive thing. Guillermo and I shared a language together immediately. I was like, fully creatively ready to play something like that.
Bring him to me! Why did you pick Oscar? Why did you pick Jacob? Ice. I cast the eyes.
Oscar had brilliance. Madness. seduction and pain. And Jacob was completely open. He had an innocence and an openness and a purity in his eyes that was completely disarming.
Did you want your creature to be beautiful in a way? Oh yeah. 100% it has to look like something newly minted. Not like a repair job in an ICU. But There's also a handsomeness, a sexiness.
to Jacob as as the creature.
Well I was raised Catholic. And a lot of those crucifixions in Mexico had the loincloth a little too low. Were you thinking about that? No, but my grandma certainly was. Del Toro's Frankenstein is rich with Catholic imagery.
and inspired by all the monsters she grew up with, fueling his lifelong cinematic Mission. Do you feel any connection to the Frankensteins of the past? to the myth. I mean, my first crush. was Mary Shelley.
I truly can tell you this. You are born to sing one or two songs in your lifetime. This is my song.
So what do you do now? Oh I don't know. Macrome? Is that one of the thoughts? Pottery.
That's going to be you. That's going to be me. A surprising theme runs through the life of the subject of this next story. Running, our CBS Mornings colleague Tony DeKoppel explains. One of the first things you realize about Nick Thompson is just how busy he is.
As CEO of the Atlantic. As a public speaker in his own right, these relationships and these bots are gonna change the way. We have real human relationships. And as a family man, on top of it all. But he is also a world-class long-distance runner.
Did you run to the office today? I did run to the office, didn't you? You did run to the office today. I did, of course. Why do you like it?
Every time I go running, I'm Opening my mind up. I'm engaging with nature. have a chance to think. I like to have my body in motion. It's a break from the rest of life.
It's something I've always Lapped. And if you can imagine, Thompson has actually gotten faster as he's gotten older. shaving fourteen minutes off his best marathon time at forty four. And just this year posting the fastest fifty mile time in the world for his age group. If you're wondering how he does it and why, he explains in The Running Ground, part memoir, part call to the runner in all of us.
Everybody can run. Go to Prospect Park, right? And look at the incredible, beautiful variety. short people, tall people, really skinny people, wide people. Everybody can run.
Humans were made to run. I love that. Yeah.
Thompson says he started running because his father was a runner. If you didn't have this book in Someone said, what kind of man was your father? What would you say? How do you describe it? There was always energy and chaos and life around him.
He never. He never slowed down. He never stopped. But in a life of great professional success, teaching and working in both the Ford and Reagan administrations, Scott Thompson also suffered personal turmoil. One of his refrains in the book frequently is to tell you that your life is going to crack apart when you turn 40.
He told me it all the time, you know, his father. His life had gotten much harder and kind of fallen apart at 40. And then my dad felt that his life had kind of fallen apart at 40. He left the family when Nick was just a kid. and then struggled with just about everything.
Was he an addict? Yeah, he was definitely. He was an alcoholic and he was a sex addict. But he wasn't. A mean drunk, or listen, a fallover drunk.
He just drank way too much. And then in his later life, after he came out of the closet, in his 40s and 50s, 60s, 70s, he had a terrible problem. Yeah.
Running for Nick became both a way to be like his father, while also rejecting the chaos that followed him. You're running toward him and away from him at the same time. Yes. So in some ways running is a way of mourning him after. he passed away.
I also am well aware He could not control his emotions. He could not control what he did during the course of a day. I felt like One of the ways I could prevent that from happening to me was to run. that running gave me discipline through the rest of my life.
So Nick ran. He ran in high school and briefly in college at Stanford. and after a break he picked it up again in his late twenties. Which is when he got the news. I had just run my first really good marathon.
built on top of the world. And it's two weeks later, the next week I go in and see the doctor and he's like, And you feel something. It turned out to be thyroid cancer. I was diagnosed when I was 30 years old. And it was just a shock.
Shocking as it was, it was treatable. And it gave Thompson a new goal. one of the reasons I kept marathoning. in my 30s and in my 40s. was because I wanted to feel like the person I had been before I got sick.
As he got faster, his career took off too. He joined Conde Nast, where he would eventually become editor of New Yorker dot com and editor in chief of Wired. And longtime viewers of Sunday Morning may remember he even reported for this show. Do you think you'd be where you are professionally? without running.
Definitely not. I think running has been a great tool. Professionally. It is a way. For me to add discipline to my days, for me to have time where my mind can just wander.
where I can think through things. But for Thompson, now 50, what's really unexpected is what happened next. You're faster today than you were at 35. Yeah.
Explain that.
So I like to think of it as the aging process, as a moving sidewalk. You push and you backwards, right? Like every year. I got a little bit weaker. But you can do things to kind of move forward faster than the moving sidewalk is going backwards.
You can figure out how to train more intelligently, you can get a better understanding of your body, you can eat differently. Which is not to say it's easy. If you're trying to encourage people to run, why do you post from time to time pictures of yourself looking in absolute agony? Like crossing a finish line? I mean, Terrible photos, some of the all-time worst anyone's ever put out in public voluntarily.
So that race was really hard. And so that was a race. It was the Lake Wormont 50 Miler. And I wanted to set the American record for my age group. And I was on pace through 45, 46 miles.
Crazy. And then the last few miles. And I knew I was going to be close, and so I was pushing so hard. And so I was just in. hurting so much.
everywhere. But I still won the race. I still. ran the fastest time in the world this year. It was still like a pretty good result.
Running continues to be a family tradition for the Thompsons. Nick runs with his own three sons. On your marks. Get set and go. And coaches weekly track sessions with his youngest son's soccer team.
It feels like full circle to have. Learned the sport from my father. when I was about five or six, and now being able to pass it to my children, James is 11, Zachary's 15, Ellis is 17, is a great thing, and to all these other kids. And as it turns out, life hasn't fallen apart. like his father warned.
You've kind of done it. Wow. Yeah.
I mean, I keep going because I enjoy it. Right? I keep running because You know, my life didn't fall apart at 40 because I didn't lose my discipline at 40, but could still fall apart at 50, which I just turned. And so I don't want to let it go. The really interesting transition in my life will be: at some point, I won't be able to do this.
And And then I'll have to figure out how else to hold on. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. This October, Pluto TV has all the scares, all for free, with fan-favorite horror movies like Paranormal Activity, The Ring, Scream, and 28 Days Later. Pluto TV.
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