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I'm Jane Pauley, and this is Sunday morning. In the nearly eight months since President Trump took office, installing Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services. Big changes have come to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, including significant budget cuts.
Mass layoffs, shifting philosophies on vaccine use, resignations and firings of key leaders, not to mention last month's deadly attack on the agency's Atlanta headquarters, all of which has left many wondering, what does it all mean for public health? Robert Costa looks into what's at stake. In recent days, we've seen new COVID vaccine recommendations and a showdown. If we don't end this chronic disease, we are the sickest country in the world. Between Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. and U.S. Senators, and with some of the nation's top doctors. This is not about bureaucracy and it's not about egos. What this really is about is about the health of American people.
Ahead on Sunday morning, a crossroads for public health in America. Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett is nearing her five-year mark as a member of the United States Supreme Court, a tenure that's been controversial and unpredictable from the start. She's looking back in a new memoir and talking with Nora O'Donnell. No one wants to be unpopular, Chief Justice. This is Justice Amy Coney Barrett's first television interview since joining the Supreme Court.
My self-worth. isn't grounded in what people think of me. Coming up on Sunday morning, our wide-ranging conversation with one of the country's most influential legal minds. It's been 50 years since the Rocky Horror Picture Show hit movie theaters, and it's become a fixture of late-night screenings at the nation's art houses ever since. Tracy Smith explores the unlikely history of a cult classic.
How'd you do I? When the Rocky Horror Picture Show premiered in 1975, it was a shocker. And Tim Curry's very first film. How about that? It's amazing to have been part of something that...
Is a undeniable part of the culture. We look at the legacy of Rocky Horror with its bands and its stars later on Sunday morning. Connor Knighton shares some laughs with Nate Bargettze, who by some measures is the most popular stand-up comic in America. Holly Williams heads to the surprising birthplace of a global coffee phenomenon, the Australian Outback. Elaine Quijano sizes up the creations of a fashion academy, based in, of all places, a library.
Plus a story from Steve Hartman. A New Chapter in the History of THESE UNITED STATES. Opinion from Dr. Timothy Johnson, and more. on this Sunday morning, september seventh, twenty twenty five.
We'll be back after this. To begin, turmoil at the nation's premier health agency, the CDC, and what it could mean for public health in America. Here's Robert Costa. At the end of summer, Congress is often sleepy. And slowly gets back to work.
Senator Cassidy, all eyes are on you. What's your next move? But this past week was an exception. How are you feeling about Secretary Kennedy at this point? On Capitol Hill, the arrival of Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. I love you, Bob. The controversial Health and Human Services Secretary sparked a reckoning over public health in America. Under President Trump's leadership, we at HHS are enacting a once-in-a-generation shift from a sick care system to a true health care system that tackles the root causes of chronic disease. And tempers ran hot at a hearing before the normally stayed Senate Finance Committee.
This is not a podcast. It is the American People's Health. that's on the line here. Democrats rebuked Kennedy, perhaps the most high-profile member of President Donald Trump's cabinet. When were you lying, sir, when you told this committee that you were not anti-vax or when you told Americans that there's no safe and effective vaccine?
Are both interrogable? There were Republicans who offered broad support for Kennedy. President Trump and Secretary Kennedy have made a steadfast commitment to make America healthy again. Yet, some notably did push Kennedy on how his long-standing opposition to vaccine mandates is affecting policy. And on Kennedy's doubts about the safety of various vaccines.
And their real concerns that safe, proven vaccines like measles, like hepatitis B, and others could be in jeopardy. The committee room standoff had been brewing for days. On August 27th, the government announced new restrictions on eligibility for COVID vaccinations. That decision prompted some health organizations to warn. The policy could cause confusion.
That same day, the Trump White House said Susan Menares, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who had just been confirmed by the Senate weeks earlier, was fired. The Trump White House stood by Secretary Kennedy's sweeping changes. and by the firing. She was not aligned with the President's mission to make America healthy again. In a statement to Sunday morning, a White House spokesman said the administration has full confidence in Secretary Kennedy's leadership at HHS to advance President Trump's Maha agenda.
Susan Menares has written that she was pressured to compromise science itself. and to sign off on people who have publicly expressed anti-vaccine rhetoric. This turbulence has put Kennedy, who was a key Trump ally during last year's campaign. In the spotlight. Is there pressure inside the Republican Party to stand by Secretary Kennedy?
Nobody's pressured me or ever called me on it. I sort of speak my mind and these are long-standing beliefs for me. Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul, an ophthalmologist, supports Kennedy. Paul lays blame on scientists, not skeptics, for worries about vaccine safety. All the doubt over vaccines is, there might be some doubt coming from those who don't want you to take a vaccine.
but quite a bit of doubt is coming from the establishment that I believe is authoritarian in nature. They don't care whether they tell you what to do. You should just do what you're told. We know better than you. But some who have worked at the highest level are fighting back against criticism and are sounding an alarm.
Do you still trust CDC information? Doctors Jennifer Layden. I have concerns. Do you still trust CDC information? I think for vaccine information, vaccine safety data, I would be very concerned.
Daniel Jernigan. I would be concerned. Deborah Howry. That's why I laughed. I'm very concerned.
And Dimitri Doskolakis. All four former CDC officials have resigned in recent days, some citing Secretary Kennedy's vaccine policies. others citing the upheaval at the C D C. which provides crucial health guidance nationwide. We've already crossed the line.
The COVID recommendations for children and pregnant women are completely not based in any evidence that world experts agree on. You know Secretary Kennedy would push back on that. What would you tell him? Yeah, easy. The recommendation is that there should be no healthy kids that get the vaccine.
It should only be in kids with underlying conditions. Kids that are six months old, 56% of them that are admitted to the hospital have no underlying condition.
So by not offering the vaccine to parents who are willing to do it, those kids that could have been protected won't be. How would you label? Secretary Kennedy and his view of vaccines. How should we understand What's happening? I think he has a significant distrust of vaccines.
I don't know that he's. Driving a get-rid of vaccines agenda. It's more death by a thousand cuts. Death by a thousand questions, calling into question data that has been accepted for many, many years. And simply that calling it into question brings into people's minds that maybe I shouldn't get that vaccine.
When he started, I read his books. I wanted to better understand. his research and his background on it.
So we were open to having those discussions. In an additional statement, the White House said, Americans haven't forgotten how the science was politicized and weaponized during the COVID era by unaccountable health officials to push intrusive mandates. Adding, the Trump administration is committed to restoring evidence-based gold standard science. Help me understand why all this matters. If the CDC has top officials leave, Some people might shrug.
Doctors moving on. Is that how you see it? Or is there a real significant cost? to what is happening. We're talking about the whole public health infrastructure of our nation.
And I think when we start to see, and we will, outbreaks that normally don't happen, so more foodborne outbreaks, Legionella outbreaks, rising measles cases, people will start to care. That may take time for us to see some of those negative consequences, but that's what the ripple effect of all this will do across our nation. In fact, ripple effects are already apparent. Just this past week, Florida's Republican governor announced plans to eliminate all childhood vaccine requirements.
Meanwhile, West Coast Democratic governors who oppose Secretary Kennedy's policies are moving fast to protect vaccine programs in their states. What is the consequence for the country when you have Such a differentiation, it splintered. It's severely splintered and I'm very worried about it because diseases don't obey borders. For Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon who served in the Biden administration.
Kennedy's actions could upend not only federal agencies, but U.S. standing in global health. There isn't always consensus. for sure among our own medical community. But we generally have been able to come together enough to be able to say, Here is where we can assure getting whether it's COVID boosters and making sure we don't leave out the people who are most in need of vaccination.
to making sure we're not abandoning our childhood immunizations. countries around the world are baffled by are now falling into a civil war over whether the discoveries that have saved the world mattered. Later this month, the CDC's vaccine advisory board, now featuring Kennedy appointees, will meet to decide future guidelines. Trust. At the end of the day, helps assuage doubt.
Trust helps assuage doubt. in this environment. trust is still possible. but it is not possible while we have leaders who actively drive chaos. who actively are trying to create uncertainty and break down trust.
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It's Saturday morning in the Australian Outback. Grind the coffee. And Karen Venables is brewing up coffee for her customers. The crowd favourite is the flat white. at coffee beloved by hipsters around the world.
It's a shot or two of rich dark espresso. With a flat white, you don't need a lot of the froth. And that's perfect. topped with creamy steamed milk. And unlike a cappuccino, it's light on the froth.
About a third coffee, two-thirds milk. I'll have a flat white actually. Oh shit. It's good. That is delicious, okay?
This cafe in the sleepy country town of Ingham is around 10,000 miles from Europe. But just about everyone here is Italian Australian, many of them third or fourth generation.
So with all your grandparents came over? Yes.
So I got the flat white extra hot lecture. The flat white coffee may be the biggest thing in caffeinated beverages right now, enjoyed by connoisseurs from Los Angeles to London. But some coffee historians believe the flat white has its roots here. in this small Italian community in rural Australia. The climate in this region is tropical and perfect for growing sugar cane.
Italians first came here as laborers in the 1890s before buying their own farms. Adrian Skovatzi owns 1500 acres on land where his grandparents harvested sugar cane by hand. That must have been really hard work. Yeah, it would have been, yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
Especially like coming from where they come from. and sort of like thrown in the deep end and said This is your wireless. Hold on to a their timber handle with a blade on it. Yeah, getting the job done. The Italian immigrants brought their coffee with them.
to the towns of Northern Australia. It was something so unusual. You'd never seen anything like it. And I just remember the noise of the espresso machine and just thinking how wonderful it was. It was sort of another world.
Alan Preston is not Italian Australian, but told us he learned about coffee from them in outback cafes in the 1970s. where he says they were selling something called a flat coffee. perhaps the milky coffee the Italians call a caffe latte. though not served in a glass. and rechristened for those who didn't understand Italian.
Preston took the concept to Sydney in the 1980s, where he opened several cafes selling flat whites. And within a few decades it had gone global. Should you be getting five percent on every flat white sold?
Well it'd be nice. Like just give me a cent. One cent per flat white, that'll do.
Now, I don't feel as though I own it because I didn't invent it, I just popularised it. There's a rival claim. The New Zealanders also claim that they invented the flat white coffee. No, no, it's not true. It's not true.
Yeah, the best they can come up with is 1989. And so I'd been going along about four years by then. Australia is a nation of immigrants. Around 30% of its residents were born overseas, and nearly 5% identify as Italian. But many Italian Australians have encountered terrible racism.
We were all born in Australia, myself. Elsie Corber and Rose Cavallo were both born in Australia, but were locked up in an internment camp for enemy aliens during World War II. because Italy was allied with Nazi Germany.
Well you were born in Australia. They've never had an apology, but told us they don't harbour any bitterness. What do you think Australia would be like without the Italians? There'd be no spaghetti.
Well the cane, no cane cutters either. And no good coffee. No good coffee. Italian Australians have contended with huge challenges in the land down under. but they've also transformed it.
with their hard work, enterprise and invention. Just think about it. with a boy who prefers to look on the bright side of life. It's a hot summer day, and nine-year-old Ethan Wargo of Sycamore, Illinois is making a stand. It's like a refreshment stand.
for your self-esteem. Exactly. Yeah. Ethan got the idea while reading his Dogman graphic novel. In the book, one of the characters sets up an insult stand.
Ethan knew that was a bad idea. And then I just got inspired by it. He wondered. What if he did the opposite? His compliment stand opened about a month and a half ago.
Business started out slow. What for the lack of lemonade and all? But after his dad posted about Ethan's stand on social media, Customers came. I liked your bike. To enjoy a cool drink.
I love your little vests. Of his kind regards. I think you look really handsome. Like your polo. Ethan doesn't charge for this service.
says he's only offering words. And yet people have traveled up to an hour just to hear his flattery. I like your bracelets. Thank you for the goblin. You're welcome.
These are his parents, Brandon and Jessica Wargo. Yeah, it's really blown up. I was really kind of caught off guard by just how strong of a reaction people had to it. It's just very heart warming to them. Have you ever looked at somebody and found it hard to come up with a compliment?
Sometimes. On that note, What would you find about me to compliment? Don't act like you didn't hear the question. Reach deep, see what you can think of.
Well, I think I like food. I like your shoes. I think they're really nice. That was just where you were looking at the moment. Still I'll take it.
Because any compliment is a good compliment. I love your son's shirt. It's really cute.
Now, if we can just figure out a way to make the world follow. Thank you. In his shoes. If you had that idea, I definitely would compliment you on that. What I've learned what's easier than working out is just tell people that you used to weigh 300 pounds.
That's a lot. They don't know, you know, so. I've never weighed 300 pounds, but I look pretty amazing for a guy that used to weigh 300 pounds. Nate Bargettzi, one of the reigning kings of stand-up comedy, will be in the spotlight again as host of next Sunday's Emmy Awards here on CBS. He's our Sunday profile from Connor Knighton.
I don't know anything about history. And I can tell because every history movie I watch, I watch on the edge of my seat. I watched Pearl Harbor. I was as surprised as they were, you know. 2024 was a historic year for comedian Nate Bargettsi.
Beyond grateful we could never pay you back. As the highest-grossing stand-up in the country, he set attendance records at several massive arenas. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But this small gymnasium.
The home of the Donelson Christian Academy Wildcats is where he's recently made his mark. This was the first time I saw my name on the gymnasium. I've came here and I've seen this before, but they didn't have that up. Bargetti never played on this court. Yeah, I was cut every year from my uh basketball team.
Uh so, but now, you know, now they can't cut you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's donated more than a million dollars to his alma mater. a Nashville area private high school his family could only afford because his father taught there.
My freshman year was assistant coach, so that really got it started. When your dad cuts you, it kind of sets the tone for the rest of your high school. Nate's father Stephen Bargettzi also happens to be a professional magician. Before that, he was a clown. As you might imagine, that provided some inspiration for a career in comedy and for some early stand-up material.
I like, it's funny too when I tell people that my dad was a clown. People just be like, oh, I hate clowns. It's like, hey, remember that time I just said my dad was a clown? After dropping out of community college, Borgettzi moved from Nashville to Chicago, where he honed his style, performing for free at small clubs. What's the age where you're not scared of the dark?
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I've hit again. I would never trade it and I would never go back. You just didn't know no better.
There's nothing better than when you don't know that there's better. He then made the move to New York. What's it's like New York acts like it's a big melting pot because it's like all the different cultures. Oh, we all melt together and everything. And then you move here and you realize like it's not a melting pot at all.
It's actually a bunch of pots that want to live next to their own kinds of pots. and not talk to other pots. But in 2014, just as his stand-up career was taking off, Borgetti made a surprising move. Back home to Nashville. You go to Chicago, you go to New York, you go to LA, you were getting some attention, why move back?
Uh you know what I always thought it was the first thing I did that wasn't for me. I wanted my daughter to grow up in a normal situation as normal as it can be and So it was like, all right, let's move back. And when I moved back, I just didn't tell anybody. And were you worried that there was going to be an impression that like, well, he moved back to Nashville. He's given up.
And that's why I didn't tell anybody, is because I thought they would think I would quit. And I was so scared of that, so I just didn't say anything. Nobody would ever think that now. Bargetti has since released five hour-long specials, written a New York Times best-selling book, and sold more than a million tickets last year alone. His next milestone?
Hosting the Primetime Emmy Awards next Sunday on CBS. Please watch the Emmys so the TV people can feel special. If they stop making shows, We're going to have to read books. I love show business. I love all of this.
And there's part of me, I want to do everything. You're just curious to go, like, well, what is that like? What is that? You know, when you do Saturday Night Live, it's like, I want to see the chaos. I want to feel the chaos.
Ladies and gentlemen. Nature! Marketsy! Morgetzi's hosted Saturday Night Live twice. Look, if you're at home, I'm as shocked as you are that I'm here.
So. His Washington's Dream sketch became one of the most viral sketches in years. Do not worry. For our new nation, we will have rulers with two sets of numbers. Inches on one side, centimeters on the other.
So we can see where they line up. Yes, except that they don't line up and they never will. There's more acting on the horizon. And three, two, one, nigga! Me!
Bargetti just finished filming his first feature, The Breadwinner, co-starring Mandy Moore, set to hit theaters next spring. We see ourselves on the Jumbo City! His character is a bumbling dad, a role he says is not too dissimilar from his real-life personality. We eased into it.
Okay. Yeah. I ain't crying in this movie. I can tell you that. In the movie, I have three daughters, and I have one daughter, but it's so.
Give him the Academy a word right now. Yeah, yeah, I go. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah. There's a lot of buzz about it.
Borghetti's actual daughter, Harper, introduces his stand-up specials. Please welcome my daddy, Nate Bargetsy. He met his wife Laura when he was just 21. They were co-workers at an Applebee's. Like I went from like my mom to her.
So I don't even know what it feels like to not have some lady be like, I don't know if I would do that, you know. Birketti shows are intentionally family friendly. He's a clean comic. I love that people when they come to my show, it's uh I don't want to betray that trust. You could have your kid watch my stand-up and you don't, like, if you see him have it on, you don't have to be like, whoa, what's going on?
I don't say the word sucks. Like this sucks. I don't, because that was a very bad word in the 80s. And look, I'm sorry to say it now. This is supposed to be a clean show.
I'm bringing this filth into it. While working clean can be a savvy business decision. It allows you to sell tickets to the widest audience possible. For Barge, it's also part of a larger mission. You feel like you're being asked to do this in the career that I have, and so you just got to trust that Your path is going to be the path.
And Just stick with it? When you say asked to do this, do you mean in like sort of a religious calling? Yeah, yeah. You know, I feel it's beyond me. With good, clean, funny as its mantra, Bargei's company Nateland produces specials, live events, and podcasts featuring other clean comedians.
This is Philly. This is our new dog. She's fine walking on the table. Right. I'm a great dog.
Get in there. I'm a great dog owner. I love it. No, I love thirsty. He even has dreams of one day opening his own theme park and movie studio in Nashville.
I'm not going to be able to go to every city. In America for the rest of my life.
So I want to build a place where you can come, and if you and your wife and your kids are. 11 and they want to go run off on their own for a second. I want that to happen. To pull off all of his ambitious plans, one of the most successful touring comedians of all time is already plotting the end of his touring days. I'm doing this tour.
I plan on doing one more tour after that. But then I need to go do movies and I need to build that world up and learn how to do all of that stuff.
So I'm going to dive into that aspect of it. I can see myself being making movies for like another 15 years and then if it all if I'm allowed to, I mean it might all fall, this all could fall apart. These days, during breaks in his grueling tour schedule, Margetti is able to briefly take his mind off stand-up by playing golf. One of his early gifts to himself was this indoor golf simulator. It's kind of like stand up, you're kind of out there on your own.
Golf is uh You're so much like thinking about what you're doing out there. I realized like I can't turn my brain off.
So I just need to direct it. to something else. Bargettsi has a lot to focus on. The day before he hosts the Emmys in Los Angeles, he's performing two back-to-back arena shows in Denver. But He wouldn't have it any other way.
I know how to kind of operate in this chaos. And if you pulled me out and gave me a month off, I think I would be like lost. Right now, let's keep going. We're in a good groove. You don't want to kind of stop the groove.
So it'll be, yeah, it'll be a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff.
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Hall, Uma Thurman, and Peter. Peter Dinklich, new series now streaming on the Paramount Plus Premium Plan. You might call it a conversation of supreme importance between Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Amy Coney Barrett and our Nora O'Donnell. Do you get recognized a lot on campus? More on campus, I think, just because I know more people.
I mean Washington's sort of a different A different beast though. Washington is a different face. Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett feels at home on Notre Dame's campus in South Bend, Indiana. Another kind of history that develops is judicial precedent. She had been teaching full-time for nearly two decades.
This is a momentous day for America, for the United States. Until she was selected by President Donald Trump in 2020 to serve on the Supreme Court. I wonder, would you acknowledge that since you joined the court replacing Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg, the court has shifted to the right? You know I think shifting to the right or shifting to the left, I think those are other people's labels and that's other people's game. I don't think of it that way.
You know, I just decide the cases as they come. I've been criticized by both the right and the left. Justice Barrett's legal philosophy and personal story are the focus of her new book, listening to the law. You wrote in the book that the last several years have not been easy since you joined the Supreme Court. You say, I'm happiest with my old friends who knew me before I became Justice Barrett.
and I am wistful when we're back in South Bend. True. Do you regret at all joining the Supreme Court? No, I don't regret it. And I think it's really important work and I'm proud to serve.
And we do have a good life in Washington and we have friends in Washington. But there is something nice about our old life. Her new life is centered here at the Supreme Court. Where observers describe the 53-year-old mother of seven as the most influential justice on the court today. Demonstrators against abortion rights erupted in cheers after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v.
Wade.
Now, in her first television interview, Justice Barrett is talking publicly about her vote to overturn Roe v. Wade in the 2022 Dobbs decision. I want to read something just from The minority dissent on the court for Dobbs. About What essentially the effect of overturning Roe versus Wade would be? And that dissent was signed by Justices Breyer.
Kagan, and Sotomayor. They wrote, the court may now face questions about the application of abortion regulations to medical care, most people view as quite different from abortion. What about the morning after pill? IUDs. in vitro fertilization.
And how about the use of dilation and evacuation of medication for miscarriage? management. Do you see those as issues that are coming about now as a result of Dobbs? Let's see. Those are issues inherent in medical practice, and sure, they surround.
pregnancy care and the care of women. And those are issues that are left now to the democratic process, and the states are working those out. We have not had those cases on our docket. But you know, the central message of Dobbs, Dubs did not render abortion illegal. Dobbs did not say anything about whether abortion is immoral.
Dobbs said that these are questions that are left to the states. All of these kinds of questions, decisions that you mentioned that require medical judgments, are not ones that the Constitution commits to the court. you know to decide how how far into pregnancy the right of abortion might extend. You know, the court was in the business of drawing a lot of those lines before. And what Dobbs says is that those calls are properly left to the democratic process.
And the states have been working those out. There's been a lot of legislative activity and a lot of state constitutional activity since the decision in Dobbs was rendered. For some the case raised questions about the future of other rights. And so when Hillary Clinton, for example, says, what's next, she said, my prediction is the court will do to gay marriage what they did to abortion.
Well, I think people who criticize the court or who are outside say a lot of different things. But again, the point that I make in the book is that we have to tune those things out. But you also say in the book that the rights to marry and engage in sexual intimacy and use birth control and raise children are fundamental. Yes, again, I'm describing what our doctrine is, and that is what we've said. Tension there.
At issue now, cases on the emergency docket, challenging Mr. Trump's executive orders. The nation's highest court has routinely allowed the President's policies, including on immigration and mass layoffs, to temporarily proceed. And to the observers who say that this president is pushing the boundaries. of executive power may be overreaching.
And that's the Supreme Court is not providing an adequate check on that. The Supreme Court, you know, and I can speak for myself in the way that I make these decisions. You know, it's not our job to survey and decide whether the current occupant of an office in this particular moment is to form a political view. You know, that's the job of journalists, that's the job of other politicians, or that's j the job of the people. But our job is to decide these legal questions.
And so in the cases that we've decided, what I can say and what I try to explain in the book. is that we're trying to get the law right. Not that I don't have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the president of the United States. If I think our country is in danger, and it is in danger in these cities, I can do it.
Is President Trump right when he says he has unlimited power to deploy the National Guard in any state?
So We don't have any cases pending before us that I'm aware of. I would not be surprised if there are some cases pending below. And so I can't answer that question. But actually, this is a good opportunity for me to say why I can't answer that question, because it's something I cover in the book. Any particular legal issue, I mean, I might be sitting there with my kids and watching TV and I might have an idea about it.
But if I'm going to decide something as a judge, It really has to happen in the context of a particular case. Because judges have to approach things with an open mind on a specific set of facts. We read briefs, I listen to oral argument, I talk to my law clerks, I write out notes, I look at the cases, I talk to my colleagues, and at any step of that process, I might change my mind from my initial reaction. In fact, I often do. And so not only should I not, but I don't think you would want me to be in a position where I would just shoot from the hip and say, oh yeah, I think that's constitutional.
Or, oh no, I think that's not. That's really kind of the opposite of the judicial rule. But you are a scholar of the Constitution, so I do also want to ask you. Do you believe that the power to impose tariffs is something the Constitution gives to the President, or is that left to Congress? Ah, and I have to give the same answer again, because that one actually will, is pending in the courts, and we may well.
Dare I say, likely will see that case. And so, same thing goes. You know, that's the kind of thing, it's got a wait and see. I'm not trying to hide the ball, and I'm sure that. Not only you, but Probably others would be interested in what I think about that question.
I don't know what I think about that question yet, I can honestly say. Stay tuned if that case comes before us. And after I dive in and. read all the relevant authorities, then I'll draw a conclusion. And it's that philosophy that makes Justice Barrett the most closely watched justice in this upcoming term.
and for years to come. been used to accept This is a lifetime appointment. That's a long time that you could be on this court. While I do feel older by the day, I haven't gotten so old I'm actually thinking about retirement just yet. And now, a chapter in the story of these United States.
This is Lee Cowan. $35 million in 1933, almost a billion in today's dollars. That was the price tag to build. This. considered the grandest of bridges.
golden in its silhouette against California's setting sun. Woohoo! By all accounts, building the Golden Gate Bridge was really a ludicrous idea. It was too long a span, too high, too treacherous. San Francisco Bay had never been particularly welcoming after all.
It's cold, its currents are merciless, it's fog disorienting. But in the midst of the Great Depression, most would have built a bridge to the end of the earth if it paid. The world's largest single span across San Francisco's Golden Gate rapidly takes shape. It took four years and 10,000 people to get it done. many of them toiling at terrifying heights with only a safety net between them.
and the water that was nearly 800 feet below. We used to have to go from one cage to the other on a 2x12 plank up there, 500-600 feet, no handrails or nothing on it. Believe me, Harry. Workers like Frenchie Gales, whom Charles Corault met in 1987. Did you ever fall off?
Well, I was walking across uh one of the cross beams and a gust of wind coming, I just went off backwards there and landed my tail in the thing, and I was so scared I just stood there like a gopher in a hole. But you hit the net? Oh yeah, the net was in already. She scared the hell out of me when I felt that fall.
Some were killed instantly on the job. Many, many more were maimed by lead poisoning and falling steel objects. The ones who were left each night climbed up there again the next morning. The Golden Gate is for the West Coast what the Statue of Liberty is for the East Coast. the symbol of freedom.
possibility and hope. Aspirations just as lofty. as the bridge itself. Is this a hidden? Situations?
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MCIS Tony and Ziva, now streaming on Paramount Plus. When it comes to the most beloved cult classic films ever made, the Rocky Horror Picture Show is certainly a top contender. Tracy Smith takes us inside a movie-going experience that's been entertaining audiences for five decades and counting. It's Saturday night in Belleville, Illinois. And the crowd outside the Lincoln Theater is here for a movie many have seen before.
Oh, hundreds. Hundreds of times. Yeah, between the two of us, at least 150, maybe 200. For the Rocky Horror Picture Show, which started out as a box office flop, this month marks 50 years of playing in theaters. But it does hold the record for being the longest continuously running film in cinematic history.
Jeffrey Weinstock is a media scholar and author of a book about rocky horror. Its significance is also as being the preeminent Colt film. A campy parody of horror and sci-fi films with one unabashed theme. There's no crime in giving yourself over to pleasure. It's a film about sex in all its varied permutations and forms.
And I think that remains at the heart of the appeal of the film. Is just a party, Jenny.
Well, I wanna go. The story's about a young couple who spend an eventful night at the mansion of a mad scientist who is.
Well, we'll let him tell you. I'm just a sweet transvestaita. From transsexual trans Dr. Frank N. Furter, a sexual omnivore played by Tim Curry in his very first movie role.
Curry, who today is living with paralysis caused by a stroke, was fearless as Frank. He's a tough guy. And he expects The world to revolve around him. This tough guy in the heels. But I got good at them.
Why don't you stay for the night? Or maybe a Fight. I could show you my favorite obsession. He says fans see Frank as a symbol of sexual freedom. With blonde hair and a tan, and he's good for relieving mine.
I've had people who said They'd left thinking that they would say the stuff that they'd always wanted to say. And did And I liked that. Do you think you gave people permission to be who they truly are? I think so. Canva doing the time warp!
Rocky Horror was written by the guy singing Time Warp, Richard O'Brien. It began as a stage musical in London in 1973. Legendary music producer Lou Adler saw the show early on and brought it to his club, The Roxy, in Los Angeles. It's just a jump to the left. Initially, when you first saw it, you said, there's something there that I can do something with.
Yeah, that's true.
Somehow I said This can play forever. The LA show was a hit.
So Adler and another producer put up about a million dollars of their own money to turn it into a movie. It starred much of the original London cast. Plus American singer Meatloaf. And two other Americans. Future Oscar winner Susan Sarandon and Barry Bostwick as the young couple Brad and Janet.
I'm glad we caught you at home. Could we use your phone? We're both in a bit of a hurry. Right. Janet at that time felt to me like a satire of every ingenue I'd ever played.
As Sarandon told director Linus O'Brien in his new documentary, Strange Journey, out in theaters on September 26th, she had her character's number.
Somebody who's kind of wide-eyed and sweet but underneath is a bitch. and just waiting to be liberated. Barry Bosswick made some discoveries of his own. How did you find yourself in the Rocky Horror Picture Story? I found myself on six inch high heels.
and Abustier. When I looked in the mirror I said, Oh my God That's me and then I thought That's okay. I like that part of me. But when you were offered the movie, you jumped at it. Jumped?
Jumped. Yeah. To the left. But then it was time to show the film to the studio, 20th Century Fox. When you screamed, for the Fox Folks.
What was the reaction? Nothing. We mean nothing. Not a word. They were sort of stunned, I believe.
You've never seen anything. Like the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And when the film was released in 1975, It's locked. And it died a death. It was a failure.
And I was crushed. That's it. I thought that it was bye-bye to movies. not just rocky horror, but you thought that was the end of your movie career? I thought that it might well be.
But I was tougher than that. And so, it turns out, was the Rocky Horror Picture Show. A Fox advertising exec had an idea, show the movie at midnight. People love the film. came back and brought somebody with him.
What kind of crowds were going to these midnight showings? There was a gay crowd. They were outsiders. It was a party and they related to each other. The audience is what makes the movie.
And fans were doing more than just showing up. It began with members of the audience talking back to the film. On a strange journey. That was great. And if it was funny...
It's stuck. They dressed up as the characters. Excellent movie. We're all quite normal, really. They brought props.
As the showing spread across the U.S., people began to act out the film in front of the screen. And just like in Illinois, they're part of the Rocky Horror Experience to this day. We get older people, younger people, conservative people, very liberal people. What's wrong with coming to a movie and having a good time? How did that initial investment turn out?
How much money has Rocky Horror made? I have seven kids. I put everybody through school. That's thanks to Rocky Horror. The gross.
on a film that costs maybe 900,000, somewhere about. 166 million. Pretty good. I'm of course extremely happy with the financial excess. There's not as much as um happy with the cultural success of Rocky Horror.
To mark the film's 50th, Disney's releasing it in 4K. Barry Bostwick and other cast members will host screenings across the U.S. I think the happiest place on earth. is the Rocky Hard Picture Show on a Friday and Saturday night. It's a chance to reconsider the movie that's never gone away.
Free. For your first movie to run for 50 years is crazy. No. At its heart, what's the message of Rocky Horror? will certainly be who you want to be.
And have the to do it.
So Come up to the left. And see what's on the slab. I see you shiver. with anticipation Patience. Elaine Quijano has proof a public library can become a key part of the fabric of a community.
Come on ladies and gentlemen, make some noise, make some noise, make some noise. The fashions walking down this runway were created by 11 designers whose garments had never been seen publicly before. This isn't New York Fashion Week. It's the Brooklyn Public Library's Fashion Academy. It was just.
Such an amazing space. Lindsay Augustine and Winnie C. Clay founded the 16-week program, which is free for Brooklyn Public Library cardholders. Participants also need to live in the community and know how to sew. with fashion it's such a gate-kept industry It can feel really, really hard to get in.
You're not sure what to do, especially if you have talent without the right connections, without knowing the industry.
Well, we'll give you the insights.
So you can do what you need to do to get in there. The Academy relies on the generosity of donors. In fact, the program isn't accepting more students until next year due to lack of funding. What kind of operating budget do you have? We started out with $15,000 to make all of this happen.
If you can imagine.
So we had a lot of donations. Who has designed a collection before? To help guide the students, Augustine turned to designer and Project Runway All-Stars alum Benjamin Mack. My dress. Is wicked.
She's wicked here, she has a split here, she's wicked there. And I laid it all out from beginning to end. And he was in shock. He said, He was, he was sold, but he was also in shock because he goes, You really just. walked in here and and waited.
Lindsay's got a really great energy, and I think that her enthusiasm for the project was quite positive. If something feels good, I've got no problem in just saying yes. That was eight years ago. Mac is now a fixture, drawing out designers' creativity. I just don't know how I'm gonna like cut it out and like make the shape of it kind of.
That's okay, you don't have to know today when I see their face light up. when they're talking about an idea. That's when I Like, grab that. I'm like, okay, we're running with that. Like, that's the bit that we're gonna try and grow.
Growing is the goal for these students who bring a wide range of work and life experience. My name is Vegina Spann. I'm 51 years old. Occupation is human resources. I am Swanetta Hunt.
I am 24. I am a wardrobe stylist and a fashion designer. I'm Victoria Eroschino. I'm 27. I'm coming from the industry of facade engineering.
Like their backgrounds, their reasons for joining the academy vary. Regina Spann followed a traditional career path for years. Why did you apply? I've always did what I was supposed to do, which is go to school, go to college, get a degree, get a job, but I wanted to do something I was truly passionate about. Lamika Pugh heard about the Academy years ago.
I applied, I got in, and then I was too nervous, so I dropped out.
So this year I kind of like made a dedication that I was gonna try it again. This is kind of like my second chance. The students all take the same first steps, turning ideas into something tangible. sketch. I put it on a skirt with a top, but I'm not really sure if that's what it's gonna be.
This, I don't need much fabric on. This, I only need like two yards, maybe. After drawing their designs, the students search for materials. Wow, that's such a good color. Maybe screen printing on top of it, but I'm nervous.
Then the designers, including Swanetta Hunt, begin construction. She credits a relative with encouraging her to explore what the library had to offer. My sister, she's a librarian. She always seeks out all the libraries that are near me. She always says, just go in there.
You'll find so many opportunities. Benjamin Mack encourages students to take them. There's another piece on this side, right?
So it can be coming like that, right? And to consider questions beyond the nuts and bolts of making garments. What is your message as a fashion designer? You need to have. a message.
Yes, you can make a beautiful piece, but what are you trying to tell people, tell the world? And I think that's like the one thing that he was pushing us to do. Finally, the night of the fashion show arrives. the culmination of months at the Academy and for some, years of perseverance. Once again, Mason boys for Virginia Span Mason boys What is this statement?
You hope to make by having this runway show in the lobby of the Brooklyn Public Library? The statement is. Anything is possible. If you dream it. It can happen.
If you want it, you can attain it. This world is full of opportunity, you just have to grab it. Earlier, we told you about the turmoil of the CDC. The controversy prompts opinion this morning from longtime ABC News medical editor Dr. Timothy Johnson.
It's an appeal to Louisiana Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, who's also a physician. Senator Cassidy, I reach out to you as one physician to another. hoping that your doctor's heart can override your politics. First, allow me to remind you of what you said to the Senate after deciding to vote in favor of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s nomination as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
If Mr. Kennedy is confirmed, I will use my authority as Chairman of the Senate Committee with Oversight of HHS. To rebuff any attempt to remove the public's access to life-saving vaccines, without iron clad causational Scientific evidence I now urge you, Senator Cassidy, to use that authority. If confirmed, he will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes. Since you uttered those words, Kennedy has fired the highly regarded and long-standing CDC committee advising on vaccines.
Also, Kennedy's recent decision to cut nearly $500 million in government funding for mRNA vaccine research and development, vaccines that were so effective in helping to stem the COVID-19 pandemic, is truly concerning. HHS has determined that mRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for these respiratory viruses. Vaccine experts disagree. and have called the decision dangerous. Dr.
Michael Osterholm, a world-renowned public health expert, described the funding cut as one of the worst decisions I've seen in 50 years of public health preparedness work. Other experts stressed the potential for mRNA technology in producing new life-saving drugs, even cancer treatments. Senator Cassidy, I am pleading with you to do what you know in your physician's heart is the right thing to do. Use that authority as you promised. and call your committee into action before it is too late.
and too many lives may be unnecessarily lost. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.
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