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Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley, and this is Sunday morning. It's an inescapable topic this Labor Day weekend, almost every weekend. Artificial intelligence. Just about everyone seems to have an opinion about AI and its impact on work now and in the future.
Predictions range from unlocking greater human potential to a doomsday scenario for American workers.
So what's the reality of the situation? Turns out it's complicated. as David Pogue will explain. It's a tough time to be looking for a job these days. I apply to jobs every day, sometimes for hours of a day.
There's huge layoffs in every field because of AI that are happening right now. Of course, people will be displaced, certain types of occupations will disappear, right? People will lose careers. That's going to happen. But I don't think most people are worried about the right things.
Ahead on Sunday morning, how many jobs are we losing to AI? And which ones? Chronic pain, it can be a debilitating reality for some 50 million Americans, according to the CDC. But as Dr. Sanjay Gupta tells us, modern medicine is offering a greater understanding, even some hope for relief.
Neurosurgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta has seen a lot of patients in pain. I think the most heartbreaking thing about pain, it is mysterious, and I think we've done a really poor job in this country in particular of treating it. It was 24-7, 365. Lightning bolt razor snakes in my legs and nerve pain in my arms.
Later on Sunday morning, CNN Sanjay Gupta on pain. Tell you exactly. From Proud Mary to Fortunate Son, John Fogarty, the former leader of Credence Clearwater Revival, has given us some of Rock's most enduring tunes. With Robert Costa, the legendary singer-songwriter, shares a summer song. After a six-decade career filled with highs and lows, John Fogarty says he's finally assembled his ideal band.
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Rock and roll family man. Yeah, this Luke Burbank this morning takes us to the spot they call a Disneyland for truckers, the world's largest truck stop in Iowa. In the wake of yet another horrific school shooting, Steve Hartman looks at the empty bedrooms and aching hearts left behind. Plus humor from Jim Gaffigan. Another look at these United States.
And as the sun sets on our retiring Sun Lady, Serena Alschool helps us say so long and best wishes. It's a Sunday morning for the last day of the month, August 31st, 2025. And we'll be back after this. We begin this Labor Day weekend with David Pogue and a workplace topic on the minds of many these days. Artificial intelligence.
Programs like ChatGPT use artificial intelligence to do thinking or writing or creating for us. Write a memo about laying off 10% of our company. Dear team, I need to share some very difficult news, blah blah blah. Summarize previous lawsuits about security deposit disputes. And there are the lawsuits.
Mock up three box designs for our new plaquey toothpaste. And about thirty seconds later, Boom. I mean, pretty amazing, but also a little terrifying. I mean, What happens to the people who used to do those jobs? I've applied to probably over a hundred jobs in the past I don't know, six months and Yeah, I have none of them are landing.
Olivia Fair graduated four years ago. She's had a series of short-term jobs. One was in T V production, transcribing interviews. But now they don't have a bunch of people transcribing. They have maybe one person overseeing all of that and AI Doing the rest, which I think is true for a lot of entry-level positions.
And it can be a really useful tool for those people doing that work, but then there's less people needed. This is a tough year. Job postings have declined year over year by 6.7%. Younger job seekers, specifically those who are recent grads, are having a harder time finding work. Laura Ulrich is the Director of Economic Research at Indeed, the Job Listings website.
The decline in jobs for recent grads seems to correlate with the rise of AI. Is there A cause and effect? I think there is a cause and effect, but it's maybe not as significant as a lot of people would think. If you look specifically at tech jobs, job postings are down 36% compared to pre-pandemic numbers. But that decline started happening prior to AI becoming.
Commonly used. Wow.
So, if it wasn't AI that caused this decline, what was it? There was a real hiring boom in tech and in some other sectors, right, in kind of the 2021-2022 time period, post-pandemic job boom. And so, quite frankly, I think some companies overhired. The uncertain national situation doesn't help either. Tariffs, taxes, foreign policy.
Some other people have used the analogy of like driving through fog. If it's foggy, you slow down a bit, but if it's really foggy, you pull over. And unfortunately, some companies have pulled over. to sit and wait to see what is going to happen. That sounds a little more nuanced than the headlines, which make it pretty clear that AI is coming for our jobs.
I mean, are we all just going to wind up as sedentary idle blobs like in the movie Wally?
Well then what do you want to do? I don't know.
Something. Wow.
I read today an interview with a guy who said, you know, by 2027, We will be jobless, lonely, crime on the streets. And I said, How do I take the other side of that bet? Because that's just not true, I'm sure of that. It's the subject of every lunch conversation. David Otter is a labor economist at MIT.
My view is look, there's Great potential and great risk. I think that it's not nearly as imminent in either direction as most people think. But what it does seem to do is relieve. the newcomers, the beginning, incoming novices. We don't need anymore.
This is really a concern. And judgment expertise, it's acquired solely. It's acquired through immersion, right? How do I care for this patient or land this plane or remodel this building? And it's possible that we could strip out so much of the supporting work that people never get the expertise.
I don't think it's an insurmountable concern, but we shouldn't take it for granted that it will solve itself.
So let's cut to the chase. What are the jobs we're going to lose? We analyze 2,800 specific skills, and 30% of them could be at least partially done by AI.
So 70%? Of job skills are not currently at risk of AI. Right. In its current form.
So Which jobs will AI be likely to take first? Most of it is jobs sitting in front of a screen.
Software coding, that's a big one. Accounting, copywriting, translation, customer service, paralegal work, illustration, graphic design, songwriting. any kind of information management. As David Otter says, What will market demand be for this thing? How much should we order?
How much should we keep on stock? AI will have a much harder time taking jobs involving empathy, creativity. or physicality. Healthcare. teaching.
Social assistance, mental health. Police and fire, engineering. Contracting, construction, wind, and solar. Tourism. The trades like plumbing and electrical.
And don't forget about the new job categories that AI will create. A lot of the work that we do is in things that we just didn't do. 50 or 100 years ago, all this work in solar and wind generation, all types of medical specialties that were unthinkable.
So you can't sit here and tell me what the new fields and jobs will be. No. Right, we're bad at predicting. Where new work will appear, what skills it will need, how much of it there will be. But based on what you've studied and the history of labor, you can say it's likely that there will be something new.
There will be new things. Absolutely.
So it sounds like you don't think we are headed to becoming a nation of people who cannot find any work or spend the day on the couch watching Netflix. No, I don't see that. People will be displaced, certain types of occupations will disappear, right? People will lose careers. That's going to happen.
Okay, but we might actually get much better at medicine. We might figure out a way to generate energy more cheaply and with less pollution. We might figure out a better way to do agriculture that isn't so land intensive and so ecologically intensive. Whatever's going to happen will likely take a while to happen. The latest headlines look like these.
Few signs that the tech is taking jobs. AI hasn't taken your job. may not steal jobs after all. Until then, Laura Ulrich has some advice for young job seekers. The number one piece of advice I would give is move forward.
So whether that is getting another job, getting a part-time job, finding a post-graduate internship, reach out to the professors that you had. They have a whole network of former students, right? Reach out to other alumni who graduated from the school you went to or majored in the same thing you majored in. It might be what gets you a job this year.
So far, Olivia Fair is doing all of the above.
So you're interested in creativity and writing and production.
So let me hear as a human your pitch why you'd be better than AI doing those jobs.
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Sometimes even truckers need to go somewhere for a little pampering, and Luke Burbank knows just the place. Mm-hmm. We could tell you the exact address of the world's largest truck stop halfway between Chicago and Des Moines, but honestly, you can't miss it. It's the size of more than 150 football fields. 900 parking spots for trucks and a staff of almost 600 people, and a bunch of merch, calling it the world's largest.
So who are we to argue? Is there some sort of governmental body that verifies these things? Unfortunately not. And we have contacted Ripley's, believe it or not, a couple times, and they're like, oh, we don't know how to measure that. A really cool part about trucks versus cars.
Delia Moon-Meyer is the senior vice president of the Iowa 80 truck stop, which her father, Bill Moon, took over in 1965. Just as construction of Interstate 80 expanded, Which meant lots more trucks that needed lots more fuel and other things from a growing truck stock. But always on her parents' mind, says Meyer, were the drivers themselves. My parents loved truck drivers. They thought it was cool.
And for whatever reason, they just really got captured by the trucking culture. And they loved taking care of people. Her father died in 1992, but as the truck stop grew, so too did the family belief that truckers, the humans, needed as much maintenance as their trucks did.
So next to the 24-hour gym They added a barber shop. where Angie Clark spruces up long haulers and TV correspondents alike. You know, you can't pull a semi-truck just into any shopping center and jump out and get a haircut.
So you want to make them look good and feel good and You know, sometimes they don't get to talk to many people either. I'd never thought about that, but you're sort of part hairdresser, part therapist? We're a therapist. Yeah. And just down the hall, it's 99% emergency care.
They're looking for pain relief. Yes, this truck stop has a dentist, Dr. Thomas Romer. They must be really grateful. To roll in here with, because you know, when you're having tooth pain, it's the only thing you can think about.
These guys, when they can't sleep, they can't eat, they can't function, and then when they walk out of here, pretty much pain-free, they're very, very appreciative. More than 70% of all U.S. freight is moved by truck. which means a lot of sitting.
Alright, here we go. Which is where Dr. Justin Seifert, in-house chiropractor, comes in. A little looser. Nice, the general population.
They Just don't believe that a chiropractor would be out here, but it makes perfect sense with truck drivers sitting all the time and low back pain and mid back pain are their main problems just because they slouch from time to time. Maybe you need something for your rig.
So what did you come here to get today? Load net covers. Perhaps something in Chrome. Who doesn't like a Chrome shop, a store, you know, for your big rig? It feels like a mall in comparison to like I don't know, like a convenience store.
And like a mall, there's a food court, a restaurant too, where Rick Denny. has been working for 33 years. His grill is always hot. 24 hours a day. We have drivers that are out constantly coming in, so you don't always have to follow a schedule from 9 to 5, so we got to be here for them.
We never close, and holidays are very, very busy days for us. These days, Denny is the general manager of the restaurant and can spot folks who might be craving something more than just lunch. I think when they set the counter They're acknowledging that they want to kind of interact with somebody else and that.
So you see that all day long. Sure, a buffet can fill your belly, but for spiritual sustenance, there's also the Trucker's Ministry Office, faithfully run by Pastor Jerry Hull. What are the sort of spiritual needs? that the trucking life. kind of creates for people.
The biggest thing is I'm away from home. And I need someone to visit with, I need someone to talk to. Has anybody gotten saved in this office? Yes, sir. Yes, sir, many, many times.
Federal law mandates that for every 14-hour shift, a trucker needs to take a 10-hour break.
So, why not catch a flick in the Truck Stops Movie Theater? Or wash your dog. I mean, I love coming here. It's like a, it's a Disney rule for truckers. Yeah.
There's a lot more selection as far as the shopping, the restaurants, the truck wash, the museum. Wait, did she just say museum? Yes, across the parking lot sits the Iowa 80 Truck Museum. This is our 1919 International and this is the first truck that my dad bought. America's trucking history parked side by side.
A collection started by Delia's father. This was. The fanciest thing you could have gotten back in 1959. Yes. And you were supposed to drive your route.
And then at night when it was time to uh go to sleep. This was This is what you got? Yeah. And you loved it because before that you would have brought a piece of wood and you would have put it over these seats and you would have slept on that piece of wood.
So to have a four inch foam mattress, you were living the high life. The museum is free for tourists and truckers alike. Yet another oversized addition. to this not-so-slight detour. For those Keep America moving.
Our customers are, they're with it people and they are trying to do a job and we help them. Mm-hmm. This time, they were children praying at a Minneapolis church. the latest victims in what seems like a never ending nightmare of school shootings. Two children dead.
eighteen others wounded. Heartbroken parents returning to homes with bedrooms that will remain forever empty. Late last year our Steve Hartman, visited some of those empty rooms, and talked with the bereft parents left behind. His work will appear in an upcoming Netflix documentary. For now, we felt this was the proper week For a second look.
I never wanted to be this kind of reporter. knocking on the door of someone who lost a child in a school shooting. And yet here I stand. Knocking nonetheless. I found myself here.
And here standing on the threshold of grief across the country. after years of pent-up frustration. By 2018, America's school shooting epidemic had taken a toll on me. There were so many. The news coverage felt like a treadmill.
Pray, mourn. Repeat. More guns. Less guns. Shrug.
It seemed to me the country had grown numb. lost its empathy for the victims and the families. And I wanted to do something. For help. I reached out to Lou Bope.
Lou is one of the best still photographers in the country. but he had never faced a challenge quite like this. I'm trying to take a portrait of a person. Who's that there? That was the ask, yeah, I know.
And that's what led us to places like Nashville, Tennessee. Hey, thanks for coming. This is Lou. Hi. Hey, Lou.
Chad. Chad and Jada Scruggs lost their daughter Hallie in the Covenant School shooting. And you boys keep that used. She was nine years old. the youngest of four.
and their only daughter. She fractured her front tooth on the playground steps. Hallie had more stitches than any of her brothers, by the way, too. It was just a lot of fun having a daughter. we had a chance to have her for nine and a half years and that was far better than not having her at all.
But at the same time, Their goodbye isn't quite complete. Uh Yeah. They're still living. with her bedroom. Over the past six years.
Eight different families. from five different shootings. invited us into these sacred spaces, allowing Americans to see. For the first time. what it's like to live, With an empty Child's bedroom.
Yeah. One of the places we traveled was Uvalde, Texas. Wow, that's breathtaking, isn't it? In 2022, A gunman murdered 19 children at Robb Elementary. including nine-year-old Jackie Caesaris.
Jackie lived here. with her father Javier, and mother, Gloria. Um here they were going on a father-daughter dance. Are you so excited? Who are you gonna marry?
Wait, is it data? They say people are always telling them, I can't imagine what you're going through. But they say we need to imagine. And that's why they invited us in. It just makes everything more real for the public, for the world.
her room completely just speaks of who she was. In Jackie's room, we saw the chocolate she saved for a day that never came. Evidence of the dream vacation she never got to take. In the pajamas. she never wore again.
It struck us how many of the rooms remained virtually untouched. Nice to meet you. Even years after the shooting, Frank and Nancy Blackwell lost their 14-year-old son Dominic in the Saugus High School tragedy near Los Angeles. That was twenty nineteen. But inside his room It's like yesterday.
We've just decided to keep everything as it was from when he last went to school that day. He didn't prepare his room to be photographed. He didn't put away his stuffed animals because he was worried about who might see it. He woke up. He got dressed.
And he left to go to school. And he thought he was coming back. And we all expected him to come back.
So many rooms, waiting for a child that will never return. Charlotte Bacon was murdered in Newtown, Connecticut. six weeks after Halloween. This was the last library book she checked out.
Now twelve years overdue. Luke Coyer was killed in Parkland, Florida on Valentine's Day. His bad. just as he left it. Alyssa Alhadeff, also Parkland, the whirlwind that was her room now still And Carmen Shantrup.
yet another Parkland victim. The watch she got for her sixteenth birthday still ticks. but the motivational sayings that filled her room. resonate. No more.
The decision. To either keep a room like this as it was, or or pack it up and repurpose. tortures many parents. Brian and Cindy Muhlberger lost their fifteen-year-old daughter Gracie in the saugas shooting. We have the conversation all the time, what do we do with Gracie's room?
Because I feel like when I do go in there that I feel her presence. And so, when that time comes that that room is not there. Does she go away? I didn't realize what a Almost what an albatross the rooms are for some families. Like you embrace it, but it's also hanging over your neck.
Yeah. That's the hardest part. I can't put anything away really. Yeah, I I will just say I have a pretty confusing relationship with her room now. It's extremely painful.
But there's a lot of moments where you want to be sad. Because the sadness is a is a is a part of connecting with her. Likewise, one of the funniest things. She wanted a kitty cat hoodie. Could not talk her out of it.
Did she wore that a lot? She did. All the time. All the time. The rooms really are a rainbow of emotion.
All at once tender as a lullaby and shocking as a crime scene. CLUES Gathering dust leading us past all the places these kids had been up until that very moment when everything stopped.
So suddenly. There wasn't even time to close the lid on the toothpaste tube. In the end. we took more than ten thousand photographs. and it is the parents' hope that at least one of these pictures will stick with you.
that you will forever carry a piece of their pain. and use that heartache, to help stem the tide. of all these empty rooms. Put us in the middle of the morning. In a box.
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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Just about everyone can relate to the feeling of physical pain. But why do we feel pain? Where does it come from? In a new book, Dr.
Sanjay Gupta explores those questions and more. It was uh 24-7, 365. lightning bolt razor snakes in my legs and nerve pain in my arms. The founder and lead singer of a death metal band. Ed Mowery found words to describe the unfathomable pain he suffered for decades.
If you ever had a really bad burn when you're cooking, imagine that really bad burn, multiply it by, say, 20 to... Yeah. And then apply it from the neck down. And on top of that burn was the lightning bolt razor snakes in my legs and the crazy. nerve burn in in my arms, so it was several different kinds of pain at once.
It's a rare condition affecting two hundred thousand people in the US. It has a name, Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. but doctors could find no cause for it. There's nothing to point to and says this is why it's hurting.
So it was just a sort of unrelenting pain. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, best known as chief medical correspondent at CNN, is a neurosurgeon. It doesn't have to hurt. explores the mystery of pain.
Mundane aches and pains, or excruciating pain like Ed Mowry suffered. In a CNN documentary, Dr. Gupta and Ed Mowry meet. I'm able to tell you exactly the number of my pain. A lot of Americans are hurting.
The C D C says approximately twenty per cent are in pain. And while writing the book, one of them was his mother, eighty three year old Damyanti Gupta, had a fall right outside her front door. I had eyes to process and I think one of my bone must have given up, I think, because I didn't trip over anything. I have heard that happen, that something breaks. And you fall.
as opposed to you fall and something breaks. Mine was the first one.
Something broke that time. Imaging showed a compressed lumbar vertebra. But pain doesn't appear on X-rays and MRIs. You know how they ask you doctors, tell me from scale of one to ten, what is your pain. I would have say hundred.
hundred. Pain, you don't really realize till you have it. I never realize that pain can be that terrible. You don't want to even live anymore. I don't want to live anymore.
Coming from my mom, obviously, it's really painful to hear. But also this was someone who never complained about anything.
So you knew, you had a sense of just how significant an impact this was on her. Spinal surgery successfully repaired the injured spine, and immediately the pain went from one hundred to about three. As a brain surgeon, Gupta sees patients in pain every day. Butt has personally experienced serious pain when he was a kid who thought he could vault over a spiked fence. I don't know what I was thinking.
But I didn't make it. and this spike from the fence. Went right through the back of my skin on the side and came right out the front.
So I was essentially pinned and impaled. on top of this fence. As the shock wore off, the future doctor, on the fence, took note. The pain started to come in waves.
So it was there. I felt like someone was sort of slapping my back. But then after a while, it just didn't hurt that much anymore. And there was a couple of times when I I had to reach back around and say it's still there, right? Even at the time, that struck me as a really Surprising experience.
Like, I have a hot poker thing going through my back, and yet I'm not feeling pain. Like, why would that be? Later, he learned the reason why. It took years to sort of understand this. My body's.
endogenous opioid system. We have our own opioid system. It reacted. And it reacted. in a big, big way.
because the body is just flooded with all these opioids and it improves my mood, it decreases my memory of the painful experience, and obviously it helps with the overall hurt. These are the endorphins. These are endorphins, and by the way, endorphins, endo, which means comes from your body, and fin. Morphine.
So it's like your body's own natural morphine. After years of suffering, despite pain medications, including morphine. Ed Mowry joined a clinical trial at the University of California at San Francisco. which not only found the source of those lightning bolt razor snakes, but made headlines around the world. What was the source of the pain?
The brain. It's hard to conceptualize. I realize this. But Ed is sort of this daredevil guy. He had a lot of injuries over his life.
He had had a knee operation. And it was after that knee operation that for some reason his brain had taken the experience of his knee surgery. and started to memorize it. and got it a little bit wrong.
So instead of saying, hey, your knee hurts, It just went into this hyper Drive The best metaphor. would be something known as phantom pain. That's when someone loses a limb. And then they still hurt. even though that limb doesn't even exist anymore.
How can that happen? The brain. the brain is creating that pain. Why that's happening exactly, we're not sure. Maori had volunteered for a study in deep brain stimulation and pain.
and three rounds of brain surgery. I had nodes. sticking out of my head and I had 144 wires. Going to two computers, and I had a turban on my head, and I also had a lot more hair. And after weeks, they were able to draw this link between Ed's pain.
and these changes in the brain. And what they found with Ed was not only could they start to predict that Ed was going to have pain. they could quantify how bad that pain was likely to be. and they could even interrupt the pain. By giving a little stimulation.
So, even before the pain would get to conscious awareness. the stimulator would go off. And it would start to interrupt that pain cycle. And Gupta predicts Ed's story is just the beginning. What these doctors were able to do, they were essentially able to put these probes all over the brain.
and just leave these probes in sort of to listen to Ed's brain. Even now, a computer can recognize his pain coming on. and shut it off. It's been life-changing for Maori, who spoke about the clinical trial at the National Institutes of Health. After the last two days of testing, the signals started working and killing my pain.
I was beside myself. Though a small study, the implications for managing all sorts of pain are far reaching. As doctor Gupta explains, the brain is the source of every sensation of pain. From a paper cut to a broken vertebra, to razor snakes. Did you know when you signed up for this, what you were signing up?
Four? Funny you asked that question because when I first found out, I said, there's no way I'm not doing three brain surgeries. You're not going into my brain. No way. And then a year and a half later, I was in so much pain, I just didn't care anymore.
You seem very comfortable when you describe this as your brain. It took me a while. to wrap my brain around the fact that this is a brain Disease. It took a long time for me to just say, oh, you know, this is actually all in my head. But It wasn't imaginary, it was real.
Today, he's playing his music again. and looking forward to touring internationally with his band. I never lost hope. Because I knew something would come along to help me. And I think that's part of what got me through all this.
It was my attitude towards the whole thing. And now, another chapter in the story of these United States. When Henry Ford introduced the moving assembly line in 1913, it revolutionized manufacturing. Cars like the Model T could be built far faster and cheaper. By the nineteen thirties, the big three automakers.
Board. Chrysler and General Motors employed hundreds of thousands of workers on their assembly lines. But the work was exhausting, fast-paced, and dangerous. The automobile strike holds the nation's headlines. And on December 30th, 1936, frustrated workers at GM's Fisher Plant No.
1 in Flint, Michigan stood up to GM by sitting down. They refused to leave the plant, halting production from the inside. In 1987, Sunday Morning caught up with then 82-year-old Bud Simons. who'd been one of the union leaders at the plant. Are you scared?
Hell no. I had enough men behind me. I wasn't scared. Didn't have anything to lose by my goddamn brains. Before long, the strike would grow to more than 135,000 workers spread across 17 plants.
After 44 days, on February 11th, 1937, GM became the first automaker to recognize the United Auto Workers. After six weeks of stoppage, workers will again turn the wheels of industry. Chrysler followed soon after, and after a series of violent clashes, Ford finally recognized the UAW in 1941. With that success, union power surged. And by the mid-1950s, 35% of American workers belonged to a union.
Today that number is closer to 10%. After decades of automation and globalization, car makers employ far fewer American workers. But the Flint sit-down strikers secured wages and benefits that reshaped many industries. And in the process, helped expand what's become a signature of these United States. A thriving middle class.
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Look at me, gotta be Chennafield. It's Sunday morning on CBS, and here again is Jane Pauley. John Fogarty has been turning out classic songs for nearly six decades now. This morning, the legendary singer, songwriter, guitarist, and yes, avid baseball fan has our summer song. with Robert Costa.
It was life and death. And I used to tell myself that phrase, This is life and death. Yes. You're against the whole world. You felt that as a young man?
Yes. Oh yes. I mean, there's a million records out there. It's me against everybody that's ever recorded and ever will record. You've got to do a great job.
It was either be great or go home. You know how it turned out for John Fogarty. And great is something of an understatement. That voice. That guitar.
And those songs. See you.
So many of them became hits that are now classics. But Fogarty, who recently turned 80, says every time he steps up to the mic, he still has something to prove. You still have nerves all these years later? A little nerve? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, every time. Really? Oh yeah, but I think the Nerves is what gives you the edge. How do you do that? What's the magic there?
I wish I had a really great contrived answer for you, but I don't. The answer seems quite simple when you watch Fogarty rehearse. Are we okay? I think so. There is love of craft.
Can we do that one more time like that? Mystic Highway. And love of family. His sons, Shane and Tyler Fogarty, helped lead his touring band. Let the midnight!
The group that put Fogarty on the charts was Credence Clearwater Revival. which got it start in the late 1950s. Though a native of Northern California, Fogarty soaked up the rhythms of the sound. Giving birth to his so-called swamp rock sound. which he honed in the mid-60s.
I receive my honorable discharge. from the Army, and the first line I wrote was, Left a good job in the city, working for the man every night and day.
Well of course that was the army. I mean it just happened. But as I began to strum, I started singing this phrase: rolling, rolling, rolling on the river. And at that point, I'm Well, what is this song? What is this?
And I went to this songbook that I had just Started Keeping And on the very first page The first entry I had written the words Proud Mary. And I actually understood right then that I'd written a classic song, a really great American song. You knew it right then. I knew it then. Please.
Keep on turning down and keep on going on a real fur. And a few moments later. Oh my dad. What if I never get to do this again? What if this is the only one that ever happens and I'm a one-hit wonder?
Turns out, Fogarty was anything but that. Oh sharp. Yet after the 1972 breakup of Credence, his solo career became mired in legal battles. He was stunned to discover he no longer had control over the use of the songs he wrote. and a limited share of the profits.
And Fogarty has looked on as others have endured similar challenges and pain.
Now we got bad blood. The most famous current example Taylor Swift. who earlier this year purchased the rights to her compositions. and one back control of her music. If you could pull her aside, John, and give her a piece of advice about how to get over the pain.
of a fight over your own music. What would you tell her?
Well, I don't think you get over. that kind of fight. What happened to me is I stopped touring. And I stopped singing my own songs. I don't recommend that move to anybody.
You become invisible. Have this. You're just forgotten about it. It's like you died. Did you ever doubt?
that you would be able to pull them out. of that anger. I think it was more sadness than anger. and all he ever wanted to do in life was make music. That was his love.
that was his best friend. and having that taken away and turned so bad was really hard for me to understand. Fogarty gives Julie, his wife of thirty four years, credit for turning his life around. And she encouraged him not only to buy back the rights to his credence catalog. But to re-record those songs with his sons.
Wonder, did I wonder who will stop the rain? The result: The new album. Legacy. On the corner. Stop it!
the street. Why did you think it was so important? For John. to come back to this music.
Well He recently had gotten his songs back, and having those songs and being able to put his fist in the air and go, I own those songs. I couldn't think of a better gift than having him record these with friends and family. Since they were children, sons Shane and Tyler learned guitar from their father. The new album is a family affair. but it's also serious business.
I have the feeling that somehow Julie knew that at some point. The life and death John would change. kick in and I would have to. roll up my sleeves and Turn into. I think she knew that.
Because that's what happened. And literally, this was. kind of when the record was done, I think. She told me, she said, She could see me going back in time. with each one of these tracks, especially when I was doing the lead vocal.
I had to remember what I felt like when I sang it the first time. And what a time. It has been Good. For John Fogarty. The highs and lows have landed him here.
At peace with it all. And lucky enough. to have his songs. Still playing. What's it like for you?
to hear your music. everywhere. Even now. I don't know the exact right words. I can almost not believe it actually happened or that that was me.
It's a prideful thing. I think it makes you feel really... Happy that you are able to tune into the radio station that God delivers, you know? And receive a song like Proud Mary and write it down and even take credit for it, right? And then have it.
go around the world like that. That's just It's kind of too much to really be able to grab hold of.
Now Jim Gaffigan. with a confession. I hope you're having a good summer. I just thought I should come clean and admit here on this show that. I have a problem.
I'm of course talking about gardening. The issue is I'm not good at gardening and I don't learn. When I say not good, I don't mean I can't grow anything. That would be preferable at this point. Additionally, I only remember I'm bad at gardening around this time of the summer.
Not in May, not in June, not even in July. In August is when I realize I'm not a farmer. Heck, I'm not even a gardener. Look at how pale I am. I shouldn't even be outside.
Every year my gardening cycle repeats itself. In May I commit to doing it right this year. I patiently wait for the last frost, and after a good five minutes of planning I sow seeds in my garden I know my family will eat. Every year I pledge this year is going to be different. Yet in June, I always adjust my non-existent garden plan.
Okay. This year, I embraced succession planting, which has nothing to do with that HBO show, but seems to provide as much drama. I. Of problem. Succession planting means to plant the same crop multiple times throughout the growing season to ensure a continuous harvest.
That way I could have a steady flow of cucumbers. Pretty smart, right? In early July, my first cucumbers arrived, and well, they were a hit. Who doesn't love a fresh cucumber spear with some salt or some hummus? Then it ringed.
More cucumbers. My oldest daughter does her cucumber salad, which was a hit. Sure, it cannibalized some of the family eating my fresh cucumber spears, but that's all good. Then it rained again. More cucumbers.
What a bounty. Not a problem. I'm ready to pickle. My pickles are a hit. I mean, not as popular as my daughter's salad, which I think she found online.
You know what I mean? She didn't come up with it. I grew the cucumber. Then it rained again. More cucumbers.
What? That's a lot. That's too much, I would say. I'm kind of confused. Then I remember I did that succession planting thing.
So instead of more cucumbers, I have way, way more cucumbers, which is exactly what I've been doing for the past couple years. I don't know what I'm doing. Do you want some cucumbers? I have to get rid of them. Helping us bid a fond farewell to one of our own is Serena Altschul.
No one can control the weather. But there is someone at CBS. who can make the sun come out. You are officially the keeper of the sun. This is quite a responsibility.
Meet our soon-to-be retired Associate Director Jessica Frank. For twenty six years, she handpicked every shining example of sun artwork to appear on our program. That's about twelve thousand of them. Do you dream about sons? I do.
This woman has sent me so many sons. They all come from the same place. Our viewers. They come with great notes, and each one has a story. I've watched Sunday Morning since the day it aired.
It's a tradition that started decades ago. When the first unsolicited sons showed up in our mailbox, I love this one because it has a sun on the front. And it's got Charles Coralt on the back. This is a hubcap. What?
Birdseed. Birdseed. This is a personal favorite. They're made from every material under the sun. Ta-da.
I love it. I love it. Figs and vegetables and pieces of broken glass and seashells and chili peppers. Post-it notes crunched up into a whole bunch of little pieces and we used it. Jessica finds her inspiration.
I have a really good sound product. By watching the stories themselves. And sometimes a fan stops by to cheer her on. The magic. The magic.
This is the you are the special sauce. I think three is the winner. Very nice.
Some suns she uses as soon as she gets them. Awesome. Perfect. others she saves for a rainy day. I'll have a son for four years or five years, and I don't have a place for it.
And then I'll watch the piece and I'll go, oh, thank goodness, I can finally use the whatever son, you know, and I get so excited. There was never any question about the sons she got from Jim Stella's high school art class in Philadelphia. She used them almost 200 times. Hello, Mr. Stella.
Back in 2015, after Stella sent in his first batch, Jessica wrote the teacher a note. I am wowed at the beauty of these suns. And I love to use them on our show. Your students are enormously gifted. And I am truly honored that you would think of submitting them to us.
All the best, Jessica Frank. How did the class feel when you first heard back from Jessica? I came the Andy Warhole line. I said, I'm going to make you famous for at least five seconds. For five seconds.
Did you ever think when you started out in television and at CBS that you would somehow land here with this? No. Absolutely not. If somebody told me to draw a sun, it would be a disaster. And thankfully, she doesn't need to.
Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. September 4th on Paramount Plus.
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