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Jane Pauley is off today. I'm Mo Raca, and this is Sunday morning. A year from now, our country will be celebrating its 250th birthday, or as it's officially referred to, America's semi-quincentennial. rolls right off the tongue. To honor the occasion in the coming months, we'll be telling you all about these United States.
Highlighting some of the people, places, and ideas that have made us who we are today, two and a half centuries into this American experiment. On this 4th of July weekend, we're kicking off this exploration of our nation's history with the story of a symbol that for millions was their first glimpse of freedom and the promise of America. the Statue of Liberty. When the Statue of Liberty was first erected, it had nothing to do with immigration. You begin to then see people writing letters back to Germany or to Italy or to Poland, and they all talk about how powerful that was, almost a welcoming beacon.
And even if they didn't know what it was, it seemed like it was a welcoming statue. You made it to America. Ahead on Sunday morning, Lady Liberty's complicated history. Five decades ago, Jaws made a splash in movie theaters across the country. This story of a rampaging shark was a phenomenon, breaking box office records and ushering in the era of the summer blockbuster.
This morning, Ben Mankowitz will revisit those treacherous waters. Boy, was that an honor. Richard Dreyfus is back on Martha's Vineyard. where he made jaws and thought it would flop. Is there ever a moment where you think we're making one of the greatest films of all time?
No. We were obviously making a turkey and it was going to crash and burn. That didn't happen. The 50th anniversary of the movie that changed Hollywood. It was a shark.
Later, on Sunday morning. The hits keep on coming for Sabrina Carpenter, the 26-year-old dynamo who is leaving an indelible mark on the pop music charts. Tracy Smith has a summer song. She makes it all look so Easy. But the Sabrina Carpenter you see today is a work of art that took years to create.
There are some people out there who might think you're an overnight success. And they're still there now watching this. Yes.
Now he is Not me. Sabrina Carpenter on her music, her memories, and more coming up on Sunday morning. Robert Costa looks back at the life and legacy of Samuel Clemens, aka Mark Twain, the famed author who's the subject of a new biography. Luke Burbank goes on a Fourth of July quest for the tasty stories behind three of our most classic condiments: ketchup, mustard, and mayo, and much more. on a Sunday morning for this Independence Day weekend, July 6th, 2025.
We'll be back after. this. For the next year, in the lead up to America's 250th birthday, we'll be exploring the history of our country in a new series called These United States. Our year-long journey begins at the Statue of Liberty. Who plays her in the movie?
Meryl Streep. This is Lonnie Bunch, Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution. And we're looking at a model of that American icon, the Statue of Liberty. whose origin story may surprise you. When this idea began, it was really about liberty.
It wasn't about immigration. That's right, says Bunch. Lady Liberty had nothing to do with immigration when she was first proposed in 1865. the United States had ended slavery. And so that's why if you look, she's standing on the chains and shackles.
But it would take more than two decades for the idea to be realized. While the statue itself would be paid for by the people of France, the Americans would be responsible for its prodigious base. Almost anything you do involving culture or art you gotta raise money for. And so this model came to our shores in 1883, three years before her full-sized sister, to drum up support. She stood in the Capitol rotunda to no avail.
Congress declined to foot the bill. Many people in the United States thought, you know, what is this? Is it a New York City thing? And why should we care about it if it's just New York City?
Some things never change. That's true. That's true. One supporter, 34-year-old poet Emma Lazarus. concerned about the plight of Russian Jews seeking asylum in America.
Penned a sonnet called The New Colossus for a fundraising auction. In it, she imagined Lady Liberty as a mother of exiles welcoming the huddled masses through the golden door to America. It's a great poem, it's important, but it really became, more than anything else, the best way to understand the possibilities of immigration in America. But at the time the poem got little notice. At the statue's dedication in 1886, not a single speaker mentioned immigration.
But Lazarus's poem turned out to be a prophecy. In 1892, within sight of the statue, America's first ever immigration facility opened. Ellis Island. There are stories of people pulling into this harbor, seeing that symbol, and just dropping to their knees and weeping. By the 1920s, more than 12 million immigrants from Europe had come through Ellis Island, according to author and journalist Jia Lin Yang.
Very few people were turned away. No documentation? No documents. If you can get to the border, you're in. But, says Yang, not all Americans were prepared to welcome them.
You have to remember, the country is still relatively small at this time, so it's pretty shocking. to the American people to have millions of people showing up from Italy, Eastern Europe, different religions. They're Catholic, they're Jewish, different foods, different languages. Sitting here in 2025, it's my strain credulity to imagine that people back then thought that Italians couldn't assimilate. That's right.
But there were just, people were writing columns and long essays saying, these people don't belong here. And so in 1924, President Calvin Coolidge signed the Johnson-Reed Act, which created a system of ethnic quotas that essentially banned immigration from countries outside of Western and Northern Europe. It was the first major immigration restriction since 1882's Chinese Exclusion Act. which barred the entry of Chinese laborers. But the 1924 law didn't apply to countries on this side of the Atlantic.
The thinking was, these are our neighbors. We need to make it feel like they're welcome to come and go.
So even during this period, there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant from Mexico, say? No. But for more than 40 years, through a global depression, a world war, and the Holocaust. The door was virtually shut to everyone else.
So by the time we get to the 1950s, are there just No immigrants? The numbers are getting smaller and smaller. Talk to somebody in 1955, they're like, yeah, immigrants. That's old news. And that would have been the case.
Forever and ever. except that for 40 years, a group of lawmakers and activists felt that the law was discriminatory and they wanted to change it. among them Brooklyn Congressman Manny Seller. He voted against the 1924 quotas as a first-year rep. and for decades fought to make America more welcoming to immigrants.
Then, in 1958, a Massachusetts Senator with his sights on the White House published a pamphlet calling for a change to the nation's laws. John F. Kennedy's A Nation of Immigrants would introduce the now ubiquitous phrase. The book is trying to establish almost a new American history that says, these people who came, you know, decades ago, you may have forgotten them. This is what makes America American.
It's the fact that we are a nation of immigrants. Which is new to a lot of American ears. Yes.
After Kennedy's assassination at the height of the civil rights movement, the reformers, including Manny Seller, who was still serving in Congress, seized the moment. We're now going to get this bill through, for which I've been fighting for 40 years in the Congress. and on october third, nineteen sixty five, at Where Else? The Statue of Liberty, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Immigration and Nationality Act. which ended the ethnic quota system.
Those who do come. will come because of what they are and not because of the land from which they sprung. But even the law's most ardent backers didn't anticipate just how many people would end up coming from all over the world. Since nineteen sixty five, when that law went into effect, the share of foreign born people living in America has slowly crept up to about fourteen per cent of the US population. Roughly the same as it was back in 1924 when the ethnic quotas were imposed.
This law really transformed the whole country. And if you meet somebody and their families from Africa, the Middle East, Asia. You're here because of what was signed on that island. Yeah. In a twist, the 1965 law limited immigration from Mexico and the rest of the Americas, setting the stage for the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border.
But it also allowed Jianlin Yang's own parents to come to the US after escaping the Civil War in China. A fact she hadn't realized until writing a book about this chapter of the immigration story. When I looked into this history, I really understood how contingent my family's presence is here. I took it completely for granted, right? Grew up steeped in Statue of Liberty, Emma Lazarus Poem, Nation of Immigrants.
Of course we were allowed to come here. It's a nation of immigrants. Did your parents feel lucky? I think they felt deeply lucky. You know, I have two children.
Now our family's entire story changed because we were allowed to come here. And now everything after me in the family tree is an American story. Her posture. her demeanor. She's not a warrior.
But she is powerful. And that power, says Lonnie Bunch, remains undiminished. Is it fair to say that the immigrants themselves are the ones who gave it this meaning? They imbued it with this notion that this is a symbol of the possibility of America. That's why I call it a statue of promise.
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Ketchup. Ketchup is just one of those American things.
So common.
So typical So ubiquitous that most of us never give it a second thought. It has everything that you could want. It's sweet and sour. It's got vinegar in it. It's got sugar in it.
Andrew Smith is a food historian who says ketchup actually started out in what is now considered Indonesia as a sort of fish sauce called ketsiap. British colonists brought it home, and then in the nineteenth century it landed here in America. where there was an overabundance of tomatoes. If you had a ton of tomatoes in September or October, you had to do something with them. And one of the things that you could do with them is make ketchup.
It took off immediately. due to its ability to add flavor to things, and we mean everything. During the Depression, people would go into small diners and they would order a glass of water and then they would pick up the ketchup and they would add the ketchup and they would have tomato juice at the end. It's not bad. Put a little vodka in there.
Couple of olives. And the man maybe most responsible for ketchup's spread was a young German-American businessman in Pittsburgh named Henry J. Heinz. They started off selling horseradish with some success. But it was his tomato ketchup that really took off.
These days, Heinz ketchup gets its start all the way across the country in California, where their specially bred 4707 tomato is grown and harvested. They say it's perfect for making ketchup, much thicker and less juicy than your average grocery store tomato. The 4707 has actually been patented by Heinz, the result of years of research and development. And when those four 707s are picked, They become the responsibility of Hector O'Sorneau. Tomato, ketchup, master.
which really is his title. He's the guy that knows the secret recipe. Have they told you what's in this place is? Yes.
So they trust you with that information. Yes.
But you can't tell me. No. Osorno is one of only seven catch-up masters at Heinz. And sometimes what we do is just check. charged with maintaining the taste, color, and consistency of all 660 million bottles sold each year.
Oh, wow. You gonna try it? Yeah. I'm gonna just do this. Oh, okay.
It's good. Mission. But one place this ketchup mastery won't be necessary Chicago, at least not when it comes to hot dogs. No catch-up. No ketchup.
Anything else but no ketchup. It's like sacrilegious. Fresh chopped onions. Step behind the counter at Portillo's. A kosher dill spill.
And you'll see that Chicago-style hot dogs aren't hurting for flavor. Is there a strategy to eating a Chicago style does?
Some folks take the pickle off and eat the pickle on the side.
Some folks just grab it and dig right in and eat it as it is. And don't even think about asking for catch-up across town. At the legendarily saucy Wiener's Circle. Can I have ketchup on there? Khaki, no.
We don't think that's against the rules of a green exercise. We don't do ketchup on hot dogs, okay? Not in Chicago either. No. Turns out, she was not kidding.
Thank you. Thank you. Now go sit down and have a eat it up. No fing catch up, man.
Well, we had to try. I guess that just means more catch-up for us non-Chicagoans. Home when my thoughts escaping Home where my music's playing. Hold. A few months back, pop star Sabrina Carpenter, alongside music legend Paul Simon, had the honor of opening Saturday Night Live's 50th anniversary celebration.
That's just one of the remarkable accomplishments in Carpenter's already stellar career. as Tracy Smith reminds us with a summer song. Take a speed. At just over five feet tall, Sabrina Carpenter is one of the giants of the pop world. Mm-hmm.
The single from her latest album, Man's Best Friend, debuted at number one, but that's not the half of it. The first three singles from her previous album all hit the top five of Billboard's Hot 100 in the same week. The only other music act to do that was the Beatles, back in 1964. It's a testament to her talent. and the will to keep going no matter what.
Perfume. We met her last fall at a rehearsal studio in rural Pennsylvania, not far from where she grew up. Does it feel like home here? Like the air, the smells? The air is better, the water's better, the bread's better.
Oh, I leave quite an impression. And it was a better place to practice her stage show in relative privacy, away from the paparazzi. Here we go. This is so cool. Isn't it cool?
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Bye-bye. Her concert stage is a giant dollhouse. There's a piano, a fireplace, a bedroom.
and a long curved staircase that she navigates in heels, of course. There's also an army of support people behind the scenes, but the show itself is all Sabrina. Beneath all the frilly outfits is a backbone of steel. What do you think is the biggest misconception about you? How much time do we have?
Isn't there a lot? Yeah, I think a misperception is that I don't write my music. I think a lot of people think because I have a producer and co-writers that I love that I'm sitting in the room on my phone not writing songs. In fact, she writes or co-writes nearly all of her songs. At age 26, with her clever lyrics playing everywhere and her face on magazine covers, Sabrina Carpenter may seem to have just arrived on the music scene.
But it took her more than a decade to get here. She's one of four girls born to Elizabeth and David Carpenter. And young Sabrina showed a love of music early on. They never told me to stop singing and I think that like psychologically really probably Helped me. I was like that I'm a dream come true.
How do you think it shaped you growing up in Pennsylvania? I think for me it it uh even just Landscapes like this, silence really curated my imagination from a young age. I think it gave me the ability to be bored, and from boredom came. Ideas. That makes a lot of sense.
Out of boredom comes creativity. You heard it here, not first. Young Sabrina started posting singing videos on YouTube, and then at 14, this happened: a part in the Disney Channel's Girl Meets World. Awards are a scam! A girl like me never had a chance, Matthews never had a chance.
She also kept making music, and by 2020, she had already recorded four albums when she landed the lead role in Tina Faye's Broadway hit, Mean Girls. It would be a turning point in her career, but not like she'd hoped.
So I rehearsed for about three months in New York and we opened our first two nights and then COVID. Humbled me, humbled me very quickly. Like, I sent home and just was like, wow, I feel like I could do eight shows a week. You know, and I've been training for it and now it's just like Silence. Hunkered down at home, Carpenter crafted her deeply personal album, Emails I Can't Send.
Guess I don't have a choice. And when it was released in 2022, it launched her to the next level of fame. Sabrina, how are you? She's learned to live her life under the celebrity microscope. She got a lot of attention for casting her then-boyfriend, Irish actor Barry Keogan.
Please please. Please please. As the love interest in the music video for her hit, please, please, please. Please. Please.
Please, please. Don't bring me That's so bad. If you think this is all a lot for a young performer, you'd be right. Carpenter credits her mother with helping her through it all. How much has your mom helped to keep you grounded?
She's so selfless and has been that way her whole life with me and my sisters.
So, yeah, I'm not going to cry. I love her so much. Oh, it's sweet. What do you think is the best advice she ever gave you? You know.
not to take everything so seriously all the time.
So that's been really helpful. And then also I'm like still on like three sentences ago. My mom's such a positive person. I don't think she's ever made me feel like what I was doing was Too much ever. Her short and sweet tour, which runs through November, has been filling arenas from California to Copenhagen.
And as her profile keeps growing, so does the pressure. There's always going to be stress, there's always going to be anxiety, there's always going to be drama, I think, but for me, like being able to laugh about it is really important.
So I would say that. And also, caffeine, because without caffeine, I wouldn't be doing this interview right now. You got me, everybody. And she might need more of it. Sabrina Carpenter put a decade of work into this moment, and she's not going to sleep on it now.
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Luke Burbank's condiment quest continues with something spicy. Mustard. Can I have ketchup on there? No. If you thought maybe the Wiener Circle in Chicago was uniquely anti-ketch-up, No f Ketchup man.
It turns out there's another pocket of ketchup resistance in a basement in Middleton, Wisconsin. On our hot dogs, on our blackworks, mustard is so cool. Which is where we found Barry Levinson. Never catch up there against the rules. Levinson is founder of the National Mustard Museum.
In fact, he doesn't even like ketchup and mustard on the same table. Like mixed together. Yeah, mixed together. And I think that's a travesty. That's, you know, dogs lying down with cats, right?
That's a sin against nature. Definitely. Levinson, who quit his job in 1991 as an assistant attorney general, Maui Onion Mustard, to focus on his love of mustard. Dijon mustards. They're never too strong.
Also runs the annual Worldwide Mustard Championships. It's a good money mustard. It's got some crazy dark umami going on there. Featured over 250 entries this year in every style and flavor you could imagine. I've probably tasted at least three or four thousand different mustards.
There's everything from American yellow to Dijon to garlic mustards to urban veggie mustards to fruit mustards, exotic mustards. I'm feeling it all over my face. There's a hot pepper category, which can be challenging for the volunteer judges. And also challenging for a TV correspondent. Oh yeah.
We just thought he was gonna taste some like grey poupon. I feel it like. And my scalp. Yeah. In case you were wondering, a mustard from Finland was crowned grand champion this year.
As far as its history, well, mustard can be traced back to Roman times, but it was around the 13th century when the monks of Dijon, France, began making it the way we know it today. What qualifies something as mustard, in your opinion? Because some of these things are definitely pretty far afield from what I think of as a traditional mustard.
Well, they may not be traditional, but they have mustard seed and some other liquid. Uh and that qualifies it as a mustard. In more recent mustard history, Levinson's collection has grown to over 7,000 mustards and counting. This is what we call the Great Wall of Mustard. From all 50 states, I see you've got Humboldt, this is the county of my birth.
Oh. And over 70 countries. These are from England. Showcasing all of mustard's versatile uses. We've also got mustard-flavored soda.
Ooh. I can't believe that that didn't catch on. Uh yeah. And we mean anything mustard related. We have here a a couple of scoops of Mustard ice cream.
Yes, made for us on National Mustard Day.
Okay. And it sold out the last three years. I have a lot of money.
So much better than I thought it was going to be. That's really, really tasty. Very subtle with the mustard. wisely Even after nearly 40 years, Levinson says he's still captivated by his beloved condiment. And we have a surprise for you.
Okay. Oh my goodness The weekend show that cuts the mustard. Yes.
That is high, high praise here at the. National Mustard Museum. And you deserve it. Thank you. 50 years ago, a new movie warned, you'll never go in the water again.
And it wasn't just hype. The movie, of course, was Jaws, and it changed Hollywood and our thoughts about a moonlight swim forever. We dive in with Ben Mankowitz. It's too neat. It's too neat?
Oh yeah. By far. That is the Orca, the boat from Jaws. It's a replica, of course. The original one sank.
weighed down by a five-ton man-eating shark. It needs to be slightly bigger. The guy next to the orca, however, is the real thing. It's been a while since Richard Dreyfus was on Martha's Vineyard. What are your memories of Josh?
Are they good? Are they strong? They were great. But back then, he did everything he could. Not to be in the movie.
I turned the film down a couple of times because I was thinking that it was going to be a bitch to shoot. And I was not wrong, but it was such an adventure. And if you had to pick one word, to describe the shoot. It was waiting.
Now 77, Dreyfus remembers the standing around, but he also knows Jaws, made here on the island in the summer of 1974, turned him into a Hollywood star. Is there ever a moment? where you think we're making one of the greatest outdoor films of all time. No. No.
When did you realize it? First I thought I I had to realize that we were obviously making a turkey and this thing was gonna crash and burn. The production was a legendary slog. This was the first Hollywood movie to shoot on the unpredictable open seas of the Atlantic. The mechanical shark rarely worked in saltwater, and the budget more than doubled.
But Steven Spielberg, this 27-year-old director making his first big studio picture, turned misfortune into opportunity. Jaws became one of the most influential American films of the 20th century and ushered in the summer blockbuster. Said 50 years ago, over the July 4th weekend. The plot Says Richard Dreyfus. is simple.
This was the story of three guys against this shark. It was this human thing. Kill it now shoot and we were. Really good. And we knew it.
Wow, that kid getting beaten. And if you remember the beginning of the film, you are terrified. before you see the shark. Before the shark brought terror to the big screen, It arrived at the bookstore. In nineteen seventy four Peter Benchley's novel became a bestseller.
Spielberg read it and immediately wanted to direct the movie version, though he was unhappy with early drafts, so he asked a friend, screenwriter Carl Gottlieb, to rip it to shreds. Stephen sent it to me with a note on the cover that said, eviscerated. Eviscerated. Eviscerated. And I wrote a lengthy memo.
A lot of details. Yeah. I say, if we do our jobs right, people will feel about going in the water the way they felt about taking a shower after psycho. Go, go, go, go! They did their jobs, all right.
Led by those three guys, Irish actor Robert Shaw as Quint, the hunter with a shark-infested backstory. Royce Schneider, the police chief afraid of the water. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a man who's lining up to be a hot lunch. And Dreyfus, who changed his mind about making jaws after seeing and hating his own performance in the film he'd just made. The apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz.
I said, if I'm not working when this film comes out, I'll never work again. And so I went back to Stephen and begged him for the part. And he gave it to me. They had started shooting April 2nd. I was cast on the third.
My first day of shooting was the fourth. That was the way it all went. Not for me. I had nothing to lose. I was getting older.
I was thirty two. That's almost ancient. Lorraine Garry played Ellen Brody, the police chief's wife. And it sounded like fun. Being cast in this sounded like fun to you?
Going on location to Martha's Vineyard, I had never been there. Robert Shaw sounded like fun. I think I know what that means, but what does that mean? You know what it means, and so do you in the audience. Her experience with Roy Scheider.
That was less fun. I feel closer to you than I did to the man who played my husband. I think Roy was very protective of his career. I think he was at that point in his career where he hadn't quite made it to being a big-time star. And Perhaps he thought that I wasn't top drawer enough to be his wife.
Yeah, I felt older. And larger, big head. Literally, big head. Literally, I mean, he's holding: your head is bigger than mine in the Tush. Chief!
In addition to writing the script, Carl Gottlieb played newspaper man Harry Meadows. I want to get on the state wire service to see if Boston will pick it up and go national. Call Dave Achelot. Gottlieb's favorite moment. Yes?
Didn't even need dialogue. Godly, who earned roughly $13,000 for writing and acting in Jaws. Come on, please, I need a Picture for the paper. Says much of the dark humor was not on the page. We were blessed with a cast.
That foot kind of has lib and character. You're gonna need a bigger boat. Most actors, if you say ad-lib, makes their part bigger. But here people were ad-libbing relatively selflessly when I spotted something. potentially funny or if there was a humor in something, I would say to Stephen, I think we got a laugh here if we change the line.
Stephen was always responsive to that. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Then there were the delays.
As the shooting schedule tripled from 55 days to 159, The actors started to get under each other's skin. Stop playing with yourself, Hooper. The thing about Robert Shaw. He knew that he had me. psychologically like with a little pin through my stomach.
And If he said that I couldn't do 25 sit-ups, I couldn't. Yeah. But I could. And he would say, you can't jump off the top of the orca into the water. And I couldn't, but I could.
He had you. He had me. I spoke to Dreyfus at the Harborview Hotel, where some of the cast and crew stayed, and where Oscar-winning editor Verna Fields cut much of the movie. It's also the scene of a Jaws food fight. Do you remember who threw the first lobster roll?
Well, it was either Roy or me. Mm-hmm. Jaws surfaced on June 20th, 1975. For the first time ever, a movie opened nationwide. And for the first time ever, a movie made more than $100 million.
Why did JAWS work as well as it did? You know, why is the Mona Lisa still a hit? It had that combination of things. Any Three of which or five of which would have made it a hit, but it had like ten of those. Jaws changed Hollywood.
as well as the lives of everyone associated with it. Steven Spielberg has become the defining director of his generation. And the legacies of Robert Shaw, Roy Scheider, and Richard Dreyfus are forever linked to this film. A movie that millions of us still think about. Every single time we stroll toward the ocean.
I will never walk from the beach. into the water.
so that the water comes up to my chest. If and when that ever happens, I'll either be dead or in a mental institution. The fact that I can't see what's happening. Underneath is so real to me. I can't do it.
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He's known as the father of American literature, Mark Twain, whose wit and wisdom is as relevant today as ever. A new biography of the famed author is just out. Our Robert Costa gives us a read. The Mississippi Valley is as tranquil and reposeful as dreamland and has nothing this worldly about it, nothing to hang a fret or worry upon. It's a beautiful sentiment.
And yet it contrasts with the fretful and worried life of the man who wrote those words, Samuel Clemens, known to the world by his pen name. Mark Twain. If you go just a couple of blocks up Hill Street you find Mark Twain's boyhood home. Twain died 115 years ago, but his books are still being read and hotly debated around the globe. It's quite the legacy for a mischievous boy of modest means, raised here in Hannibal, Missouri.
He grew up with the Mississippi, the roaring Mississippi just steps away. The world seemed to be at his fingertips. That was the passageway to the world. Absolutely. It was the international highway.
Of 1835. I like your books. Thank you very much. Perhaps you guessed from the white suit and whiskers just who Hannibal native Jim Waddell is talking about. Good, how are you?
Keep writing. I intend to. Waddell has portrayed Twain for three decades. A performance always in demand when Hannibal's streets are filled each spring for the Twain on Main Festival. I can't eat with this white suit on.
It's a good gig in Hannibal, Missouri. Yeah, yeah, it is. And a few people want to do it. Yeah. You know, you.
You got to keep it up. You got to have a clean white suit. You got to keep that mustache trimmed. You keep the suit white by doing no work. Yeah.
I love meeting the new people because there's 44 different countries that visited Hannibal last year. Perhaps you recognize these literary figures as well. Tom Sawyer and Becky Thatcher. Corbin Asbury and Ainslie Ahrens competed against other eighth graders in town to represent the characters here in Hannibal. Are you surprised that some author who lived years ago still seems so relevant to all these people who come to Hannibal?
I am, but not really, because his words that he said, they still work with us today. They're wise words. Wise words with more than a touch of humour. Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
Readers, suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. Twain said he was not just an American, he was The American. I think that part of the continuing fascination with Mark Twain is that he combines in his person both The best and the worst of our national culture. Twain really was born in the American heartland.
Fullwood surprised-winning biographer Ron Chernow has chronicled the lives of great Americans, perhaps most famously Alexander Hamilton, whose biography spawned the Broadway Musical. Chernow's latest tackles the life of Twain, a figure who has never left the national spotlight. Twain didn't necessarily want a biography of him being written. He once wrote, Biographies are but the clothes and buttons of the man. The biography of him, he said, cannot be written.
But you have clearly carried on. Right, and that line was in my head every single day that I worked on this book. I kind of have this image of Mark Twain coming back to life and saying, I told you so. Chernow traces Twain's sardonic humor to the pain in which it was rooted. Although he enjoyed boyhood adventures that would inspire Tom Sawyer, his father was a failure in business.
The fear of poverty and an anxious pursuit of wealth would dominate Twain's adult life. What do you see in this house that others might miss? I see his personality. All the Angles and porches and turrets. It's like all of the different sides of his.
personality. And he always loved conspicuousness, and this was probably the most conspicuous house. in the city. We spoke with Chernow at the sprawling mansion Twain built in Hartford, Connecticut. Was Mark Twain happy here?
Not was he happy here. It was far and away the happiest 17 years of his life. It was this idyllic period. You had this large and somewhat eccentric house. Yeah, the rich and gorgeous wife.
He had three beautiful and smart daughters. It was really a charmed life. Although Twain became wealthy as a writer and public speaker, he poured his fortune and his wife's into ill-fated investments. The most notorious was the Page Compositor, a typesetting machine that Twain was sure would make him millions. The themes that run through Twain's life and his work: politics, corruption, money, class, race.
Get rich quick schemes. All seems quite relevant to America today. Yeah, it's a great American story. And I think that there are so many things that he said, for instance, about politics that really resonate today. One line that used to drive him crazy was, My country right or wrong.
You know, he said that we should support our country always in our government when it deserves it. Would President Trump be a familiar figure. To twain. I think that President Trump would be a familiar figure to the extent that one of the great stock characters in Mark Twain's fiction is the salesman. You could see it in President Trump, you could see it in so many different figures in American life.
Talk to us, the big shots. It's no small irony that Twain was nothing if not a big shot himself. a man who craved attention as much as money. But fame also emboldened Twain to speak truth to power. most enduringly through his masterpiece, Huckleberry Finn.
One of the things that I argue in my book was that there was no White author in late 19th century. Who engaged more fully and I think more affectionately with the black community than Duane.
Now, I have to point out: early on, if you read letters that he wrote when he was a teenager, they're full of. crude racist remarks and not only about blacks. It seems like just about everybody. By the time, you know, in the 1880s, he publishes Huck Finn, which whatever its imperfections is still, I think, the great anti-slavery novel in the language. For Ron Chernow, Mark Twain is still a vital presence in American life.
His words continue to make us think. and almost certainly laugh. Why do the works of Twain endure? When so many Of the great authors of the past, their books are sitting dusty on the shelves of American libraries and schools? I think it's a very, very good question.
You know, he likened a fine literature. to wine and he said, my writing is water. He said, but everyone drinks water. Everyone drinks water. They're still drinking water.
They're still reading Twain. They're still reading Twain. Luke Burbank completes this morning's condiment trifecta. with Mayo. What do you get when you mix eggs, oil, and vinegar together?
Well, the oddly controversial condiment Mayonnaise. I'm sorry to say it's kind of gross. Molly Boz is a chef and cookbook author in LA who's no stranger to the strong reaction that Mayo gets. I think there's something kind of unappealing about the texture of mayo to some people, and if you really start to think hard about what it is, it's like it's a little yogi. Folks either seem to love it or really hate it.
There are people for whom not liking mayonnaise is kind of their whole personality. Totally. I love that it inspires that conviction in people. Mayonnaise, you know what I mean? I think I'm a mayonnaise supporter, a defender of mayonnaise.
Mahones Tom Nealon is a rare book dealer in Boston who's written about this useful but often maligned product. I think it gets a tough rap because people misuse it. Nealen shook up the food world back in 2010 when he challenged the very origin story of where Mayo came from. The French always claimed it. In 1756, the French were attacking an English garrison on Menorca.
The story went that after their victory the French military chef couldn't find his usual ingredients to make a celebratory sauce, think whipped cream, so he improvised and got mayonnaise. Do you think that maybe that's not the actual true story behind this? What's your theory?
So I think it just came from southern Spain and moved northwards. And then folks like the French started trying to claim it. Yeah, French cuisine was sort of dominant from the seventeenth well into the twentieth century.
So sort of what they said went. Nealen thinks it was people in what we now call Spain who figured out the secret of Mayo. Emulsification. Two liquids that specifically can't mix together, being mixed together, using a emulsifier. And no one emulsifies more than Hellman's Mayonnaise, which sells 13,000 ounces of mayo every minute.
Richard Hellman opened Hellman's Delicatessen in 1913 with his wife Margaret. Their deli became the tasty talk of Manhattan's Upper West Side. Brandon Collins is Hellman's corporate chef. He wanted to create a superior mayonnaise.
So, what he did is he actually would tie a ribbon around every jar, a blue ribbon, and it became the iconic symbol that everybody knows today as the Hellman's Mayo Grand. Creamy smooth. And yes, if you're west of the Rockies, you know this stuff as best foods. That's real mayonnaise. Been a lot of times that I've gotten photographs and text messages from family members and friends.
They're like, this jar looks just like yours. And it's like, well, yeah, because it's the same. What is not the same is AO, the Mayo brand that Molly Boz, our chef in LA, launched last year. How did I get here? Like, I'm just like the Mayo girl now.
The reason is, during the pandemic, I was eating a lot of sandwiches. Which is when, Boz says, she started thinking. Mayonnaise was due for an upgrade. The idea behind IO is that there's like way more than just fat going on.
So, like, they're acidic, they're salty, they're a little bit sweet, they have pickles, they have spices, they have herbs.
So, it's meant to really dance around your palate. All right, okay. It's like the perfect pipe. Peckley. Could I borrow the Please.
The family nap. Yeah. That's a great sandwich. It really is. Nothing controversial about it.
Wherever it came from, Mayo is here to stay. I'm Moraka. Thanks for listening. Please join Jane Pauley when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. Get ready to laugh until it hurts.
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