Barry Diller, Pope Leo 14th, Patricia Clarkson

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An American. Our Seth Doan will have the latest from Rome. It was the signal millions had been waiting for.

People can't quite believe it. White smoke coming from the Sistine Chapel. But what followed defied precedent. They elected a pope for troubled times. A pope who had a very strong message of bringing peace to the earth at a time of war. An American pope ahead this Sunday morning. Then we move on from a centuries old tradition to the very latest in technology. On this Mother's Day a lot of moms are happily getting a break from chauffeuring kids all over town.

But David Pogue asks what if every day was like that? What if driverless cars ruled the road? Every week a quarter of a million Americans hail these luxury taxis. Well they're Jaguars which are a fairly nice car and kind of roomy in the backseat. And by the way they are self-driving taxis.

50 million miles driven. Zero fatalities. Never get fatigued. Never get bored. Never get angry on a phone call. We fundamentally believe that this will result in a safer driver.

Coming up on Sunday morning. What if the safest driver is an artificial one? He's one of the most successful media moguls of all time. With quite a story to tell. Tracy Smith is talking with billionaire Barry Diller about his revealing new memoir.

Media giant Barry Diller helped remake movies and TV as we know it. But he always kept his private life private. Now he's opening up about it and the love of his life. Did you have to force yourself to look inside?

I guess I did. I wanted to tell the truth. Barry Diller tells all later on Sunday morning.

Patricia Clarkson is an Oscar nominated actor with a career spanning four decades. She'll be talking with Faith Salie. Joe Ling Kent this morning looks at President Trump's tariffs and what consumers and businesses should do next. Of course, it wouldn't be Mother's Day without a story from Steve Hartman. Along with a visit from Josh Seftel and his mom. And humor from Jim Gaffigan. This Sunday morning, May 11th, Mother's Day 2025.

And we'll return after this. There's a new Holy Father of the world's Catholics. And he's an American. Seth Doan reports from the Vatican. The 267th Pope called for peace and ongoing conflicts.

And wished Happy Mother's Day at mass this morning. He represents both continuity and change for this 2,000 year old church. Now for the first time led by an American Pope. Dressed in those storied papal vestments is a tennis loving, wordle playing, White Sox fan from Chicago. A former math major at Villanova University.

Who's now Pontiff Leo the 14th. Ahead of the conclave that selected Robert Prevost, there was the scramble for clues from cardinals. Are names mentioned?

No, no names. The anticipation was palpable. Watching and waiting for the news. John and Jill Bowling traveled from Illinois. We came just for this.

Even though they're not Catholic. Something I've wanted to do since I was a child watching on television. I just thought one day I want to be standing there.

By Thursday afternoon, tens of thousands were shoulder to shoulder. Hoping to witness history. Light smoke, light smoke.

Light smoke, light smoke. We have a Pope, the cardinal announced. And soon we heard the name. Cardinal Lemma Prevost.

Wow. Prevost, an American Pope. An American Pope. An American Pope. To an estimated crowd of 150,000, the new Pope spoke in Italian, Latin and Spanish, vowing to build bridges.

Friday he returned to the Sistine Chapel. I begin with a word in English. The first native English-speaking Pope since Adrian IV of England in the 12th century.

I know I can rely on each and every one of you to walk with me. While Cardinal Prevost was seen as papabile or popeworthy, a pontiff from the U.S. was widely considered unlikely. The world is watching that chimney. So we were surprised when we heard this from papal biographer Austin Ivory, a head of the conclave. I think you should probably get ready to have the first American Pope. American Pope. I'm hearing Cardinal Prevost, who heads up bishops here. You called it. Yeah, I was pretty convinced.

He was one of the few. We met again after the conclave. The list of requirements for a Pope, it's not easy. You've got to be evangelizer-in-chief. You need to be a statesman who can interact with world leaders.

And you need to be a good governor of this place. And I thought Prevost just brings those together in a beautiful way. On Saturday, the new Pope made some surprise appearances after meeting with Cardinals to detail his vision, identifying artificial intelligence as one of our biggest threats, and embracing his predecessor's ideals of a more inclusive church, one that reaches to those on the margins. Prevost went to Peru as a missionary. He spent 20 years there and became a citizen. He's American, but he feels very Peruvian.

His father, Alexander Lamb, who's Peruvian, was thrilled... We jumped. ...that his fellow Augustinian priest became pontiff. What kind of Pope do you think he'll be? He's a very prudent person who can hear you passionately. He tries always to understand you very well. But that title, Leo XIV, may take some getting used to.

His very close friends call him Bob. Those 133 Cardinals took just two days to choose Bob while locked in the Sistine Chapel, a tradition born out of, well, necessity. This is where the first conclave took place. Back in 1268. Here, something really important happened.

In Viterbo, north of Rome, we met art historian Giordano Conticelli. A group of Cardinals gathered together to elect the new Pope and the problem was that it took a long time. It took about three years almost. A very long time.

Yes, 33 months. 1,006 days to be exact. The citizens were getting tired of waiting for a Pope? They were absolutely exhausted. So they decided to lock the Cardinal inside. Clausee con clave, which literally means locked with a key, which is where the word conclave comes from.

Clausee con clave. But then they got more extreme. The next measure was to ration their food and then eventually, given that wasn't working, they decided to remove the roof of the hole.

Removing the roof to let the elements in was not necessary this time around. John and Jill Bowling had a much shorter wait. It was just one of those moments that you can't replace. I was surprised how emotional I was. I think it says something about the unity of humanity.

That was moving to me. Gathered in this timeless square, we met people of differing countries and convictions, many drawn not just by grand spectacle, but by belief or hope in a new moral leader who's not guided by national interests, but something greater. When we look back at this conclave, how will it be remembered? I think it might be remembered as the conclave that had to deal with the breakdown of the world order. They elected a man who had a very strong message from the balcony of bringing peace to the earth. What is the role of the Catholic Church in a time of war? Well, it's to obviously show the world that there is another way.

And I think in Leo, we're going to see an American exercising a very different kind of leadership, and it's the task of the Pope to help us to recover that universal unity. Survivor 48 is here, and alongside it, we're bringing you a brand-new season of On Fire, the only official Survivor podcast. If you're a Survivor superfan, you won't want to miss this deep dive into every episode where we break down how we designed the game, the biggest moves, your burning questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to Survivor that nobody else can.

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Never get fatigued, never get bored, never get angry on a phone call. We fundamentally believe that this will result in a safer driver. These are self-driving taxis. Sashwat Panigrahi is the chief product officer at Waymo, the Google sister company that operates them. Every week, these AI drivers give 250,000 rides in San Francisco, L.A., Phoenix, and Austin.

Coming soon, Atlanta, Miami, and 10 other cities. One in five folks above 65 don't have a driving license. You know, 7 million-plus Americans have vision loss. Our roads shouldn't be a privilege for some and peril for others. And I think autonomous vehicles, we have believed from the get-go, can make the roads safer and more accessible for everyone. I like that it's driverless. I don't find it intimidating. It's really great. I feel safe in it.

San Franciscan Steve Carmel is a fan. How does it compare overall with an Uber or a Lyft? The wait time for an Uber or a Lyft is usually much longer than it is for a Waymo. And the second part of that is you don't have to tip the driver. I never thought of that.

I hope I don't get a lot of hate mail. Waymo has 1,500 cars on the road, all electric white Jaguars with a few modifications. The dark panels are radar, which can see through fog and rain. The spinny things are called LIDAR. They can see objects 300 yards away in all directions. And then there are the 29 video cameras, which can actually read what's written on traffic signs. I mean, it seems like humans should be able to replicate this. If we just had five or six of us sticking our heads out the roof facing different directions, we'd have the same safety record as the Waymo.

You would not have radar sensing around corners. At this San Francisco maintenance facility, I thought I'd put those sensors to the test. So these cars coming by, these are all autonomous. Fully autonomous. They're coming to park to charge. Yes.

I'd like to do something that I didn't prepare you for. I'm going to be a clueless pedestrian on my phone. Wow!

A-plus. Yeah. And did you notice, by the way, that it didn't wait until you were actually in front of it? It predicts what you're going to do next. So what's it like to ride with Waymo's artificial intelligence as your driver? Well, spooky at first, because nobody's in the driver's seat.

But overall, smooth and conservative. It always goes the speed limit, and it makes a full stop at stop signs. It gracefully passes parked cars. That slows down. Slows down for speed bumps. And pulls over for fire trucks. Getting a car to drive itself at all is an astonishing feat. So it was brutally hard.

The scale of it is just staggering. How would we react to that in rain? How would we react to that if it were snowing? How would we react to that if a truck was blocking our view of that?

I would imagine if you were to code all this, it's easy at the beginning. Stop at a red light, go in a green light. But it gets weirder and weirder.

I mean, driving is totally unpredictable. Absolutely. We see examples on Halloween of people dressed as large dinosaurs walking that we have never seen before. You hadn't coded for that.

No, we hadn't. But now the system has learned that and is able to respond to that. So this Halloween, we're able to detect where impromptu trick-or-treating was happening and avoid those treats completely dynamically. The difficulty of the problem explains why Tesla and Amazon keep postponing their robotaxis. General Motors' cruise service shut down completely in December after an accident where one of its cars dragged a pedestrian. Waymo is now the only robotaxi service in the U.S. and even it's had some bumps in the road. There was the time Waymo's honked all night. The Waymo was stuck.

Or the time they had a standoff at an intersection. Because the Waymo is trying to go behind the Amazon, but then it's stuck behind the Waymo and oh my god, there's another Waymo. What's everybody going to do?

Waymo haters, who consider the cars creepy and worry about losing jobs, have occasionally vandalized the cars or put cones on them so they won't move. Your ride is booked. It'll be here in one minute. OK, I'm going to hit start right. Yeah, start right.

Start right. But according to Waymo's consumer research director, Megan Nies, people are mostly just afraid of change. Like anything, when you've got something totally new, it takes a minute. Sometimes people feel surprised or maybe to adjust to that change. And that's why, when Waymo sets up in a new city, it spends months just letting empty cars drive around, so people get used to seeing them. You kind of see, oh, it's just another car, right? And as you kind of see more and more of that, then we do see the acceptance of the technology go up. I mean, there must be people who say, you're not catching me dead in one of those things. Of course, yeah. We also see riders that are really inspired about it and then bring their friends or their relatives and, just try it with me, mom, you know?

And so we see that that also changes over time with experience. Sashwat Panagrahi says that Waymo's cars have carried passengers 50 million miles so far, with 78% fewer injury-causing crashes than human drivers and no fatalities. Autonomous vehicles are reality today. They're not in the future. Tens of thousands of your fellow Americans are taking rides each day.

Steve Carmel is one of them. All right, well, thanks, man. Have a good ride. Thanks a lot. And he's not looking back. Drive safely, guys.

Take care. Steve Hartman has the story of a mother whose love knows no bounds. I've never been one to air a person's dirty laundry, but in the case of Carrie Cox of Culloden, West Virginia, the sheer volume of her daily load speaks volumes about her capacity for love. Just has an amazing heart. She's like Mother Teresa almost. My mom does 99.9% of the work.

My dad does 0.1. A gross exaggeration, for sure. Put that somewhere. But even Bill admits that without Carrie, this family of mostly adopted children, many with special needs, would fall to pieces.

You want to eat more? It's good. This is the story of what keeps her going, what almost made her stop, and the child who changed everything. Thirteen years ago, Carrie and Bill adopted Mary Beth from China. Very high-functioning autism.

Extremely black and white. The first time she saw me, she said, oh, I didn't know I was getting a fat mom. That was our relationship with each other, and it was actually phenomenal. And Mary Beth was doing great. Was valvatoring of her class. She had won tons of math awards. Until tragedy struck.

It was 2021. Mary Beth was a senior here at Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia, when she got hit by a car and died. For Carrie, the pain of losing a kid, especially like that, convinced her to never adopt again. Why put yourself through that anymore?

I mean, honestly, people that don't have children don't have to feel this pain. The pain outweighed the joy. Yeah, that's what we thought. What changed? Mary Beth changed us. She changed us. From the grave, she changed them.

When going through her things, Carrie found a journal where Mary Beth, who'd never been effusive with her feelings, wrote this to herself. God gave you what many may never have. A loving family that will always be here, no matter what.

Love you, Marty. Once reading that, Carrie and Bill have taken in four more children, to make 14 total. Their need was greater than my pain. Their need was greater than her pain. That's the essence of a mother's instinct, that unwavering selflessness that goes beyond the biological Mom didn't give birth to me. I didn't.

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And she's in conversation with our Faith Salley. Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, accompanied by Mrs. Lilly Ledbetter. If you don't know the name Lilly Ledbetter, how's this for an introduction? Lilly Ledbetter did not set out to be a trailblazer or a household name. She was just a good hard worker who did her job. And she did it well. For nearly two decades. Before discovering that for years, she was paid less than her male colleagues for doing the very same work.

Forty percent less by most accounts. Good morning. I'm Lilly Ledbetter. Now, a new film starring Patricia Clarkson chronicles Ledbetter's David and Goliath-type fight for equal pay against her employer, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company in Alabama. That company took advantage of me like so many companies are taking advantage of their workers.

And that just isn't right. What did you know about Lilly Ledbetter before you read this script? Well, that she was one of the most remarkable human beings ever put on this earth. A true, true American hero.

They told me I could move up if I'd meet them at the Ramada. A woman ain't worth nothing if she don't put out. Maybe in law school they don't pull that crap. Matter the same everywhere, Mrs. Ledbetter. A grave injustice had been committed against her.

A grave injustice. But she was also dealing with misogyny, ageism, but yet she was this amazing manager. She rose. A female manager at a tire factory in the 1970s was almost unheard of. But Ledbetter needed the money to help her husband support their two kids. A supervisor position at Goodyear was the highest paying job in the county by far.

That's new shoes for my kids and more than fried bologna for dinner. In 1998, she found a list of names and salaries of her male counterparts, all of whom made far more than she did. So that scene where she finds this note in her locker, that really happened.

That did happen, an anonymous note. She was devastated. She told me she didn't know how she was going to get through the shift. She was humiliated. So this is Lilly's house. It is, yeah. She lived here most of her life. Vicki Ledbetter-Saxon is Lilly Ledbetter's daughter. So this is a pay advice from Goodyear for my mom in the year that she started in 1979. This is the beginning of the thing that changed history. It is.

Yes, it is. If you talked about what you earned, you'd be fired. Ledbetter filed suit and was awarded $3.8 million in back pay and damages, but a court of appeals overturned the verdict. She never saw a dime. Her case made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a 5-4 ruling in favor of Goodyear stated that she had waited too long to file a discrimination claim. The statute of limitations was just 180 days. She was extremely devastated by that, yeah. And I thought it was over.

I mean, I really did. It wasn't. By then, she was nearly 70 and became a symbol of unequal treatment in the workplace. Equal pay for equal work is a fundamental American principle. She made it her life's mission to correct pay disparity and maintained her activism well into her 80s.

On January 29, 2009, President Barack Obama signed his first piece of legislation, the Lilly-Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, effectively ending the statute of limitations on fair pay claims. People care about her journey. It's like, I get you. I know who the hell you are. I know what you went through. I've been through it too.

And whether you're a man or a woman or you're black or white or young or old, whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, whether you were gay or straight, everybody struggles in this way. Clarkson's played a string of memorable characters, from a heroin addict in high art Look at yourself, Lucy. to the mom in Easy A.

Not to mention how you've been dressing the last few days, no judgment, but you kind of look like a stripper. Mom? She says Hollywood is no exception. Do you think you were paid equally throughout your career?

Oh, no, no. When I was first working, I was paid scale, which is just the barest of minimum. Young men in the movie with me who had the same amount of words or scenes that I had were making a salary, but I was being paid scale.

I didn't know that I was making way less to the dollar. But not anymore, baby. Clarkson says to become Lilly Ledbetter, she spent time here in this New York City park. Every time I went somewhere or I just would walk around the street, I was like, that's Lilly, that's Lilly, that's Lilly. That's Lilly, you know? That's Lilly.

You know what I mean? Everybody, she's everywhere. She especially found Lilly in her own mother, Jackie Clarkson, a New Orleans City Councilwoman and Louisiana State Representative. What I brought forth was the best of me, my mother, to play Lilly, because I had this shining example.

It's very hard for me to watch Lilly. And my mother is there. My mother was a very kindred spirit with Lilly. When she got the part, her mom was her first call. What did your mom say when you called her? You know, because I've played a lot of complicated women. And she was like, oh, Patty, oh, Patty, this is so glorious.

This is wonderful. You're finally going to be in a movie everybody can see. Clarkson says playing Ledbetter is the privilege of her life. What did you learn about yourself playing Lilly?

I need to always strive to care more, to be better, to try to be a better human being, to be a better citizen. I think an experience that one has watching this film and seeing her story is to think, would I rise to the occasion over and over? If I were called upon, would I be that brave? I don't know that I would.

If I had lost the settlement, I would have been like, I'm done. Both Jackie Clarkson and Ledbetter died last year. Lilly Ledbetter screened the film just days before her death, before Patricia Clarkson could meet her. If you could say anything to her, what would you say? She lived an exceptional life with very little and that people can be exceptional with very little. My mother was, too. They're going to be dancing on Happy Mother's Day.

Lilly, no. It happened on Friday. We learned of the passing of retired Supreme Court Justice David Souter at his home in New Hampshire. From the first, Justice Souter defied labels.

Don't help me God, so help to God. Nominated to the high court as a conservative, he became a steady champion of liberal causes, from affirmative action to gay rights to separation of church and state and restricting the death penalty. He co-wrote the opinion reaffirming a woman's right to an abortion, arguing that to reverse Roe v. Wade would be to, quote, surrender to political pressure. Famous for his austere lifestyle, he drove his Volkswagen back to New Hampshire to spend summers at his book-filled farmhouse. Justice Souter avoided the Washington social circuit.

For lunch, it was always yogurt and an apple. I am incredibly grateful for his dedicated service. Souter stepped down in 2009 at age 69, returning to his Spartan, New Hampshire roots. It's said he found the high court decision assuring the presidency to George W. Bush over opponent Al Gore in 2000, particularly demoralizing. According to the Washington Post, the evening of that decision, Souter handed staffers a copy of a Robert Frost poem with a last line reading, what to make of a diminished thing.

Justice David Souter was 85. On this Mother's Day, we catch up with Josh Seftal and his mom, who you might call a mother on the move. Hi. How are you doing? What's the biggest news in your life right now? I'm in the midst of moving to a senior citizen residence to be near my children. You're giving up your life as it was for something new.

I better do it soon, right, if I'm going to do it. My mom is moving, and she's part of a trend called reverse migration, where nearly one in five older Floridians move back north as they need more family support. Oh, my God. Ten minutes ago, she moved to Florida with my dad.

But ten years into their adventure, my dad unexpectedly passed away. Can you see me? I can't see.

There I am. So my mom started a new life for herself, building friendships, going out just about every day, and sharing bits of her life on this program. Hi, Grandma.

Hi. But lately, she's faced a few challenges. In a few years, she needed a quadruple bypass and then had cancer.

Also, her best friend passed away. I think you know in your heart that it's time to go a little closer to your family. And it was time for you? Yeah. The hardest part turned out to be packing. Well, I'm downsizing. It's not easy because I love all these things.

Look at this table. It's all for you. Yeah, right. She did lots of things that belonged to Dad. It's like an archeological dig or something.

Yeah. You can see the arc of her life. Oh, I came across old letters and photographs, brought back a lot of memories. There's this giant enamel bowl Dad held on his lap on the flight back from China, which is like 20 hours.

How do you give something like that away? It's really difficult on so many levels. Think about when you go to college and you're starting a whole new life and how scary that can be.

Multiply that with being older and not being as physically capable as you used to be. Are you having fun? No. We're trying to make it fun. It's like I'm breaking up my life. It's just getting it out, looking at it, deciding, you know, I'm really tired. So I'm going to give the phone back to Suzanne. I can't talk too much anymore.

A week later, my mom started her new life back up north. I'm sitting at my table. Here, I'll show you. So you're like in the place. I'm in the place.

The move-in has been a process. I couldn't even find underwear. Oh, no. I heard they lost your underwear. They just put it in the wrong place. Okay, so this is what the room looks like.

I actually think that she'll have more of a social life here. Then there's a walk-in closet. Whoa, that's a lot of shirts.

That's not all of them. Have you made friends? Believe it or not, this morning I went down for breakfast. The next thing I know, a woman walked in and looked at me and said, would you mind if I joined you?

So people have been extraordinarily friendly so far. What are your next steps? To find my underwear.

What advice do you have for other older people who are near shoes? When I was riding in the car to the airport, I really felt awful. I wanted to like turn around. But then I knew it's hard saying goodbye to the things that you know. I love you, too.

But it's kind of exciting thinking about going to somewhere new and exciting. All right, well we'll see you in a couple weeks. Okay, love you. Love you, bye.

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A new amazing race, CBS Wednesday after Survivor and streaming on Paramount+. It seems like since they take me from my home and bring me to this place, the only time I get to be free is when I run away. I tell you Fiddler, sometimes it seems like being alone and being free, you're all the same for a slave. You don't be free.

You be dead. Roots was a watershed television event back in 1977, and it came about in large part thanks to the efforts of the visionary Barry Diller. Diller's been living in the public eye for decades, but as he tells Tracy Smith, nobody has known the real Barry Diller until now. When this was an abandoned rail line, did you picture this?

I wish I could say I pictured this. Last week, a few steps from Manhattan's Little Island, the people enjoying sunshine on the High Line Park took little notice of the man who helped create this corner of the world, the legendary businessman Barry Diller. So the view here is incredible. You see Little Island.

You see New York, when you're up here, even though you're not up very high, you really are elevated in a totally different perspective of the city. When you talk about different perspectives, at 83, Barry Diller himself is now inviting people to take another look at him. Next week, he'll release his memoir, More Than Ten Years in the Making.

In Who Knew?, he names plenty of names, tells wild stories, and bears his soul about things he says he vowed never to talk about in public. You said in the preface, when I was young, I was far too afraid. Yes. I'm no longer that, and I'm too old to care.

Yes. Afraid of what? I was afraid of secrets being revealed. I was afraid of, I thought I didn't qualify.

I think just afraid of revealing myself. Diller says he was in grade school when he first realized he might be gay. Eleven or twelve years old or thirteen, I got on my bike, and I rode down to the Beverly Hills Public Library, and I looked for books on homosexuality, and everything I read was, like, horrible. And I got on my bike, and I rode home and thought I'm a condemned person.

I mean, for a little kid, that's not great. And at age 16, you had your first sexual encounter. Did you tell your friends? Did you tell anybody about it?

Of course not. I didn't tell myself. I thought, oh, what did I think? I thought, oh, I did that. I don't have to do it again.

Really? I did this thing with a guy, but that's the end of it. Yeah, I don't need to do that again. And then a month later, I did.

Did it again. And then I knew. But at the time, he thought it best to keep it a secret.

He vowed never to lie about it, only to keep it quiet. You say that through your life, your sexuality was like this anvil on a wire hanging over your head. Yes, because I was afraid. Listen, this is in the 60s and 70s. Well, I think probably I was being realistic that, first of all, my sexuality was confused. And I thought, well, if I reveal it, what am I actually going to reveal? I didn't want to risk what a lot of other people risked, even at that time. I mean, talking about homosexuality, talking about whatever sexuality is, was something that scared the hell out of me. In private, Barry Diller lived in fear of being found out.

But in public, he was one of the gutsiest leaders in the game. Presenting the world premiere of an original motion picture produced especially for ABC. As a junior executive at ABC, he pioneered the highly successful Movie of the Week. And later created the even more successful TV miniseries with landmark events like Roots. When Roots first aired in 1977, more than half the U.S. population tuned in. So, lot four, number... You really were having 30 to 40 to 50 million people watching at one time, because there was, of course, no recorder. It was appointment viewing, and everyone in America came to the appointment. And then the man who conquered TV went to the movies. So, at age 32, you become head of Paramount.

I do. Did you feel like you belonged? Oh my God, no. When I became chairman of Paramount, and I was this kid from television of all things, it was like, how in God's name did that happen?

That is an accident of history that will be quickly corrected. But the kid from TV knew how to tell a good story, and gave the green light to a string of films that have since become classics, like 1977's Saturday Night Fever. In those early years at Paramount, while you're getting your footing there, you met Diane von Furstenberg.

Here we go. And it's interesting because you didn't click with her at first, but then when the two of you clicked, you clicked. Yeah, it was...

The first time I met her, I never wanted to see her again, because she was dismissive of me and whatever. But then the second time that we met, which was a few months later, within minutes. And it was pure desire. And it was a steamy romance. Yes. Oh yes, it was those things.

And you make it clear, I mean, I'll just put it out there, your relationship with Diane is not just platonic. No. No, it didn't start there. No, no, no. No. You're lovers. Uh, yes. It seems to me like one of the points you're trying to make in the book is that it doesn't have to be a mutually exclusive thing, that you can be in love with Diane and at the same time be attracted to men. Yes, I don't see anything mutually exclusive about that. Now, I mean, other people may, but I don't.

If I know that the person cares about me, I'm not jealous of anything else. So that's just luck, I guess. Diller says he owes much of his professional success to luck as well. And boy, it seems he's had a lot of it.

In the 80s, as the chairman of Fox, he created a fourth TV network, Homer Simpson and all. Don't you get it? You gotta use reverse psychology. That sounds too complicated. Okay, don't use reverse psychology. Alright, I will.

You get bored by success. Yeah, definitely. Well, I mean, once it's there, what are you going to do with it? In the 90s, Diller switched gears again, investing in home shopping and eventually scooping up a bunch of internet businesses that became household names, like Expedia and Match.com.

And in between, he and Von Furstenberg helped create the High Line, donating their time and tens of millions of dollars. It's quite a space. Yeah, it ain't bad. It doesn't cure cancer. It's not going to change the dynamics of the world, eradicate disease or whatever, but it brings pleasure to people. He says he has a similar goal with this book, to share a good story, and that means telling the truth, to finally let go of a secret he's been holding onto for a lifetime. You do touch on these feelings of maybe I was wrong. No, I don't know that I was wrong about not talking about my private life. I think I was a coward, and I don't like that, but that is the truth.

I was. I did not have, and I wish I did, I did not have the courage at that time to make declarations. Does that weigh on you? Yeah, I wouldn't call it weighing on me, but it is something that, of course, I've thought.

But it didn't turn out so terribly. The same might be said of his personal life, too. Diller and Diane von Furstenberg were married in 2001, and they're strong as ever. You call your relationship with her the bedrock of your life. What does she mean to you? Well, I don't know any better description than bedrock, but the best times for us are when it's just us.

And after almost 50 years, how lucky do you get? Positive or negative, it may take years for the fallout from President Trump's tariffs to be truly understood. But the uncertainty has left businesses and consumers wondering what to do now. Jolene Kent offers a little insight. Every single one of these slots was full two months ago. Beth Benecke is a mom, a veteran, and a small business owner, and she's sounding the alarm.

I've been telling all of my friends and family that anything you want for Christmas, to get it right now, especially if you're buying for children, if you are buying any baby products at all, get them while they're here, because they're going to be gone. After a decade serving in the army stationed in Bosnia, Kuwait, Iraq, and beyond, she started Busy Baby, a Minnesota company that designs and sells placemats and utensils for babies and toddlers. The purpose of all of our products is to keep babies' things off the ground. So it started with the Busy Baby mat.

It suctions down to your high chair. All her products are made in China. April 2, 2025 will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed. And now those products are subject to President Trump's 145 percent tax on Chinese imports. We have three months' worth of products sitting at the factory, and now, in order to get it here, we need $230,000, on top of what we've already paid for the product, just to get it in the country. Can you afford that?

Oh, God, no. So what do you do? First, I sat on my kitchen floor and cried. And when I was on the floor in the kitchen, my son came in to show me something or tell me something, and he saw me sitting there crying. Your eight-year-old.

My eight-year-old son. And he put his arms around me and just hugged me. And I realized I'm not going to let him see this.

This is not what we're going to be. The tariffs hit just after Benakey struck a deal to sell Busy Baby products at Target and Walmart. To produce enough inventory, she took out a loan from the Small Business Administration. That loan is partially SBA financed and then partially leveraged against my house. So if I can't stay in business and pay those loans, I lose the house. Inside Benakey's warehouse, this is what's left. What happens when all of this is sold? Then we're out of product. Then we're sold out. You've got nothing more coming in?

We've got nothing more coming in. Hello. Hey. Ooh, goodies. Goodies for you. One of the retailers Benakey supplies is Little Roos, owned by Marissa Heldnordling in Chaska, Minnesota. Have you seen shopper behavior change since tariffs were introduced?

Oh yes, for sure. For the first time ever, Heldnordling is allowing customers to stockpile baby registry gifts, like Benakey's Busy Baby mats. That way, family and friends can still get what they need, often for baby showers months away. You can't just do a registry anymore because the products aren't guaranteed that it's still going to be on the shelf.

So at this point, I'm allowing people to come in and fill a bin, and they can get their exact colors, and then I close the bin and I take this product off my website. While the U.S. and China begin trade talks, economists still expect most goods to get more expensive, or even go out of stock, from clothing to electronics to toys. And Yale's budget lab says tariffs could add nearly $5,000 a year to families' household expenses. It's probably a smart time to take advantage of this weird, uncertain moment to make sure that you have what you need, just in case prices do get more expensive.

If you don't need something right away, a lot of financial advisors would recommend that you do start padding your emergency fund, and just putting some money to the side. Kyla Scanlon is an economic analyst, and the author of In This Economy, How Money and Markets Really Work. Are these tariffs necessary to rebalance the global economy? I don't think this was necessary. Targeted tariffs are okay, but when you do broad blanket tariffs on everything, and when the rate is confusing, when small businesses don't know how to invest, they don't know what they should be spending money on, it's just not a good economic environment. The legality of the Trump administration sidestepping Congress to implement tariffs is being challenged in the courts.

President Trump says he imposed these tariffs in part to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Are there any discussions about giving any relief to small businesses? They're not going to need it. They're going to make so much money if you build your product here. But Benakey says that's impossible. Why can't you try to make these products here? The reason is they're so expensive.

The cost of land is higher here, the cost of insurance, the building, electricity, employees, and these factories that are producing now in the U.S., the raw materials they're bringing in are being tariffed as well. I've also got a mini version of the math. It's an untenable situation, even for someone as successful as Benakey. Just last week, Benakey was recognized for her company's success while she worried about its survival.

I was in D.C. to receive my Small Business Person of the Year award at the fanciest hotel in D.C. with my son in his adorable little suit and bow tie. And I just sat there feeling defeated, where I would have loved to have celebrated that. Now I have to prove it. Still, she's not giving up.

Ready? She's drawing inspiration from a phrase she picked up in the military. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. So, Plan B is figuring out how to become a global brand.

And not sell in the United States. For now. Hard to believe. It'll come back someday. You have faith. I do. I have faith. It'll come back someday.

This can't possibly last forever. Our Jim Gaffigan is one father really looking forward to Mother's Day. Mother's Day is special to me for so many reasons. It allows me a day to reflect on my mother. I loved my mom so much.

She literally gave me life. Mother's Day also gives me an opportunity to honor my wife, the person who made me a father. I think we'd all agree no one deserves an entire day more than mothers. But if I'm being honest, why truly cherish Mother's Day? It's because it ushers in Father's Day month.

Yes, you heard that right. Father's Day month. I'm aware the concept is new to many of you and I understand Father's Day month is a bit of a mouthful. But I think we'd all agree no one deserves an entire month more than dads.

Well, some of you would agree. Well, a recent Uber driver really liked the idea of Father's Day month. Now before you poo-poo the whole idea, hear me out.

I think I've figured out an arrangement which is fair and appropriate. It all starts with Mother's Day. We keep that. A day for moms 24 hours straight.

We don't let a mom or a grandmother do a thing. We shower them with the affection and the appreciation they rightly deserve. Then once that is out of the way, at midnight we switch to Father's Day month.

It'll be so great. I believe after the long slog of focusing on mothers for an entire day, we're going to want to celebrate dads until Father's Day. Which this year will be 35 days. I know some of you might be like, Jim, 35 days is longer than a month.

Don't get caught up in the minutia. This is about dads. Dear old dad, your papa. Now, I'm not proposing we celebrate Father's Day straight for 35 days. That would be ridiculous.

We need to be reasonable. I see Father's Day month as an off and on holiday. On even days, dad would receive a present.

Kind of like during Hanukkah. One present every day that has an even number. On odd days, dads don't get any presents. Not only that, no one in the family even talks to dad. No one asks dad for this or that. No, dad, can you take me here?

No, dad, I'm bleeding. On odd days, everyone will be on a communication fast from dad. It'll be like a dad Ramadan or a rama dad. A lot of this is still being worked out, but dad jokes will be encouraged. Sadly, it's too late to implement Father's Day month this year. But I'm really looking forward to next year. I mean, I don't mean Father's Day year. Even though that has a nice ring to it. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.