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A Higher Calling - Harold and Rachel Earls

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September 19, 2020 1:00 am

A Higher Calling - Harold and Rachel Earls

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September 19, 2020 1:00 am

He dreamed of climbing to the top of the biggest mountain in the world. She dreamed of starting a family and having a great marriage. On today's Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman, Captain Harold Earls and Rachel Earls tell their story of the mountain that stood between them. Could the differences between you and your spouse forge an unbreakable bond?

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Their love story survived the biggest mountain in the world today on Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman, the story of Capt. Harold and Rachel earls. That's really when I felt fear like I've never felt before. Right. And it started to become very clear with things that I could miss back home we say love God and love people make a difference in a meaningful and really holds true. From this experience choose to live in our everyday life.

Welcome Dr. Gary Chapman, author of the New York Times bestseller, the five today. The dynamic behind the viral sent station earls family blog tell their story. Our future resource today is higher calling, pursuing, love, faith in Mount Everest for a greater purpose.

Find out more at Capt. Harold Rachel. I love your story. One reason Capt. earls is an active duty Army officer know how much you appreciate military families in their struggle. Looking forward to this discussion group military bases tried to encourage couples in their marriage and wrote a special edition of "The 5 Love Languages" just for the military, which focuses on how to speak these languages when you're deployed. So yeah.

Anyway, I'm always excited to talk to about their personnel and super excited about our guest today at about the booklet written Capt. Harold earls. The fourth is an active duty Army officer currently serving as the commander of the guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier in Arlington.

He's a graduate of West Point NEC US Army Airborne Ranger qualified.

He's a graduate of West Point and he is US Army Airborne Ranger qualified Rachel earls is a beloved blogger business owner, founder of the earls family foundation. She's an Army wife and mom. She hosts earls family blogs, which is 100 million views on YouTube and half a million subscribers who tune in regularly to hear Rachel and Harold see them discuss faith and family life and love their raising their two young sons, Leo and Wyatt near Washington DC and the book that's our featured resources titled a higher calling, pursuing, love, faith in Mount Everest for a greater purpose. Find out more at will Rachel and Capt. earls. Welcome to Building Relationships. Hey, thanks so much for having us a Gary I just wanted to thank you. Just for your works, and the impact it's had on our lives. Thank you very much well thank you. Let's begin with your love story. You know how to go sleep tell us about your see your story man that is a great question. So it all started a long long time ago.

So back it West Point. I was going in my sophomore year and so my best friend in the whole world is actually Rachel's cousin and said he had always been timely. Hey, there's this girl that you gotta meet my cousin. She's awesome.

She's a redhead and I was like a man. I'm just like not getting the redhead you show me a picture of her and I was like whole cow picture sooner and then from there that some things started yet. He actually sent me a little message that Mike didn't tell me anything about cell in the beginning I guess our mutual friend. He was afraid to stand and just kind of wild place my life right before that I didn't do some hardy stock relationships for a while but actually the day before. I was praying to God and God. Now I know that your timing is perfect and I'm okay waiting because I'm so content just for seeing you right now I can you give me a sign sharing the next day is when it comes Harold and where were you at this time he was at West Point, where were you at Florida State University in Florida, obviously. And so our relationship was completely long distance until he got married well all the way my my grades once I met Rachel West Point started to suffer little hard to believe, so a long distance relationship wasn't letters right because in my generation. We wrote letters back and forth with you guys were on Skype and seeing each other and talk to each other right all the things that we face time we had to think on it because that West Point actually block out Skype on letters to each other. In fact, we make weird things. I think the first Harold sent me. He bought a pair of flip-flops and wrote me a letter on the back. So with a long distance relationship. How did you know Harold that she was the wall and how did you know he was the one.

While that that's a great question so we had our very first phone call was over six hours and for me was in that moment I'll never forget I was to call staring up my bump and started stealing and I never signed Rachel I found you and I never thought it was possible after one phone call to know this is my person.

But in that moment it was so clear because I think it takes away.

I think sometimes when you're in person was someone you can't get caught up in.

You know what my doing my looking okay, how do they look and get caught up in so many other things in that moment the six hours at such a beautiful connection really just getting to know each others hearts and that's honestly right there in that moment is honorable conversation doesn't take place anymore I'm just because there's so many different areas and that we were just completely wrong about where we were in and what we wanted out of life and say I really can't press on and just looked over at each other like holy cow like this is oh are you at the airport. Rachel we were both 23 months older than Harold, but I was a year ahead of him in school was still in her sophomore year I was not only asked me about the relationship dating well here's what I will know is how long after that phone conversation. Did you actually get married? It is only nine months later that we met in person for the first time actually came immediately to all in the book. I think it was about until he got married because probably what got married right away to get married while you you went to the military to it West Point. So what what those guys. What were your hopes and dreams for the Fisher services. Always been a part of you know, it's honestly what drives me is never been money, it's never been anything like that.

It's been how can I make the time you know it was also joined the military, but I also wanted to go to special operations unit Ranger Regiment and go that route. So I think it's beautiful, how God has use Rachel in my life in our lives to bring about things that I could see were possible.

So you're marrying a person who is in the military. Did you have family members in the military have any dear what that was like my grandfather did serve on honestly know I really had no idea started to get to know Harold, I realize this is a really big deal because this is change the whole trajectory of my life that sacrifice on the members and so I'm actually really thankful for it because it gave me a whole new perspective. What families go through a very different light snow from severe lust for sure.

So Harold know about this idea of climbing Mount Everest. Where did that come from. I was sitting in my barracks room and I was writing out my bucket list of things that I always wanted to do so at the very top of my list was climbed on ever since I started thinking women in the military you dating you know my soon-to-be fiancé. When would I ever have the opportunity to do so I set out a time to do this, essentially right after graduation. So from that moment forward, I set out to climb Everest what was what's crazy is so original school transfers yet. It started out as like a really a selfish pursuit right of pursuing my dream but I think on the beautiful thing was how God took that dream that I had written down and use it for something so much more than I never seem to make the girls before the break we were talking about your bucket list of climbing Mount Everest. You alluded to the fact that there there was a deeper meaning behind that as time went along. Explain what that was just so the time it was something personal, right.

I wanted to climb Everest on Google Georgie boy. I don't like the cold.

I don't like you running hills. For me it was a personal challenge at first, but what really were God came in and took this is something to a whole new level was a mentor Mr. Maj. Todd Burnett.

He was the major West Point is second in charge West Point and noted a time yet struggle with PTSD to the point of wanting to take it for me seeing someone you know such a hero of mine tremendous leader, my son. It was hard for me to process he had brought up to me while you guys climb for something more than just the sake of climbing Everest while you climb for nexus to this semester we came up with the idea of climbing to raise awareness for post dramatic stress force will open beautiful thing was the awareness that we were then able to bring our mission was so much more than just my personal dream. God is able to take that dream and use that I could never have seen that. Were there other guys that went with you.

There were there were so we we had a team comprised of active duty and veterans. We had the first combat wounded same to be the first combat wounded amputee IED glove on Iraq and lost part of certain mobile mobile calls it takes to stop an idea that I like to do this you for sure for sure not. I tell you it's crazy how God is always working, you know, so I I get back from Everest and we begin this journey writing industry to write a book but frankly that journey started out as a gave me. I can't Everest you know when it will really special.

How God use Rachel to really work in you through me as far as I think there's more here. There's more to this story than just you climb Everest right and so we really began this journey over the past two years of our faith in the role that our faith and our relationship was chosen as her became medical both perspectives and you'll see where our stories are both intertwined beautifully in this book of no trying to climb Mount Everest right, but also doing this in the first year marriage, and the struggles we found in our relationship and how we're put the ritual you were married yet when he mentioned this whole concept of climbing Mount Everest. How did you feel about that. The originally question a lot and I think people expect me to be like what you talking about, but this is not who Harold is on.

Harold has always been the one with daydreams from the first phone call I knew exactly like it was not writing to me is kind of just the next thing on him so I mean coming around him highly support. I just learned that my own lock and so I wanted to be highlighted not just your mind. I did everything my power to help him along the way. I will a lot about love. I expected some pushback and not only did I not get pushback. It wasn't just like hey I support you. It was what can I do to come alongside you incredible thing now.

I just saw I deeper love Rachel, but I've never seen was a this is your dream. This is not hard to run alongside you, do everything I can to make this happen from staying up late at night, love idea is to send out emails we were there hand-in-hand pursuing this dream.

It was now both of our dreams Rachel. We know this. Be realistic. There a lot of people who seek to climb Mount Everest and they don't ever come back alive. So I'm asking you to worry about Harold safety words are words or anxiety all the time course that is what I knew exactly how to setting into not only can I please my new husband but also I can lose my potential and training for my entire life.

I married Harold because I want to start in as well and massive sacrifice and they really put my tasks you know I wasn't just praying God protect Harold, I was praying God. What ever the outcome is here, God carrying relay and may be for your glory because I wasn't blind not something very horrible could happen whether or not to try get pregnant before Everest for me. I was actually wanting to get pregnant just because I counsel that is like an insurance policy. I know that there's a 6% death rate never strive for those who summon and so I was like man. Maybe if we get pregnant then maybe I can carry on the bloodline.

If I if I don't come back to work out our first year marriage tell you I like being on our story was away so much harder to mentally go back to that place, because now we do have two beautiful boys so I be at stairs in the ranch writing a chapter about is my husband dies and downstairs. I do listen to him laughing with Arboles and throwing them into thinking that moment like all could not be here in LA something happened so we know is we want people to just live life to its fullest and to let his heart as they can't promise now you know what today or tomorrow has to bring your story certainly illustrates what it means to be supportive of your spouse and your spouse's dreams, Rachel, you helped Harold with training and planning for the trip and more.

What are some examples of what you do things you did and how do you think it shape your future together things so one of the things I say here was preparing for was climbing and so we would go there. We went rockclimbing actually one time in this part made me really nervous Harold because he help me put on my heart and put it on like to see well.

He me more like nervous but on things like sketching out for the nonprofit we created this kind possible running the social media had to get the word out to really bring awareness to light the people so hope for long were you in your marriage before you actually like the club I think we are about 10 months into our marriage celebrated our one year anniversary just a couple weeks when he got home there a lot of couples out there say well I don't know if I do like that for my husband to do all that I got a lot of people were like I can't believe you're letting them do that. I would definitely say no for me. I just need a well this could be something that either kind tears us apart because he he can go after this on his own and it can create a wedge between us or it can be something that brings us together on and on the row. I chose to choose because here we are years later just the way that God has worked in beautiful girl in your personal question. This is theoretical and what if Rachel had said Carol, please don't do this. II thought about that often owns various far as if I didn't have the support of my life.

I would like to think that I would've been like, hey, that means that God is saying that this is in the right timing right, but I don't know. I don't know if I was mature enough at that time in my faith and in my marriage to make that decision right up until that point I had only act out of self-interest right going everything I did just naturally right. I didn't have to focus on my marriage and my family. It was always about me up and so I come Rachel so I'm not sure not to bother you. This was a theoretical question. Just none of us would know what we would do. Looking back to situations like that for sure. A lot of people of past as well. What would I do if I could go back and do it all over again. Knowing what you know now and knowing family you have now. I think that's more of a question that I can answer right so's I see now the two-year-old habit runs on the house concerning for me to chase after one euro.

My shoulders are running around loose from Houston. It is hard for me. I think it undoubtedly knowing what we went through knowing the storm is read the book and really just getting hit pretty hard way down. You know the extremes to go through is not right is not.

I see this family I see what God has given us. It would be hard for me to justify go back like want to climb Mount Everest. I would guess for most people, you wouldn't know you wouldn't assert a plan. A second trip is a once-in-a-lifetime experience for a very few people you know that there is a point in the book where Harold gets really sick right before they're supposed to make this place he calls me years over and said there was that moment that he worked all this time for that and maybe he couldn't find my holy Kathy can't do it. Now he's in a try again next year and not something that I can go through the Rachel instead of staying at home and worrying at all that I mean obviously you have anxiety anybody would look while Harold was gold you actually little adventure of your own. That was about that. What was why was it so important yet exactly so it was really easy for me to look around at home and just realize that I would see his presence not like so obvious and that would just cripple me all the time you now and so I wanted something more myself. I didn't want to just be in that the waiting. And so I packed my bags and I went to Ireland to Scotland to Guatemala Nashville to see my friends in really cool learning experience for me and especially on military lies on because there's a lot of periods of waiting and just to remind ourselves that there's still so much life lived in those moments, and so not to just be crippled by fear to do all the traveling alone on that.

So some of the places I went to go see friends and then when I went to Ireland I traveled over there by myself. I met up with a family friend and had some kind that's a good point for military was served with her husband are not Everest, but when their husbands are deployed. If they don't have children. Let's do something to do something to repost if you have children obviously it's very obvious what you're going to be doing during the times to scare her brother's children because I kneel staying at least you know if you just put your life on hold and you want your significant other pursue their dreams.

I mean it's just a matter that I can meet and so in order for that not to happen.

You really have to find your own story to since they were in this thing together right. I think the military was because he's out there sometimes in harm's way at all of that and she's back here. Sometimes it's the other way around. As you know, because her military wives at all sorted toward if you have the sense that we're together. It is not what he's doing his thing, and I'm not doing my thing were together in this and we both you actually can utilize our time and in a positive way.

That's what that's what not only keeps us together but makes it meaningful right yeah I think it's interesting when you look in those responses on see how I treated Rachel. It can be very thankless because in my case I am there for did I put in all this effort forever Sunday just so many nights of hard work and get back with his big celebration party and I get up on stage and I think everyone Rachel sit right there front and center. And I don't think my wife and I mentioned right took that for granted that is so important, I think. I think it's so important what the military spouses doing just like Rachel was doing coming along, supporting you feel Rachel. He did mention really late that the following day and it wasn't because I needed trays on but is more just, you know I wanted him to really see me for what I did not hold time now and so it was powerful to have that conversation and I mean writing the book. Also I think is really eye-opening to reflect on those and to strengthen our communication look at where you are now in our relationship that we do make sure our partner that our first there always can be the first person I'm standing by my side to screw the two didn't hold all that inside let it build up.

And so, but rather talked about it right after it happened your book sooner, but I could also understand you. You're caught up in the moment and everybody was there to celebrate what what you and others of the so that your focus and sometimes we can inadvertently overlook spouse. In those cases, so no big understanding is this positive thing as well. Carolyn question for you. I read the John Krakauer book years ago into thin air about the deadly storm that rolled in, and several people lost their lives and so what you're describing here today. Your is kind of a life or death proposition. There was a person on that expedition, who nearly died a doctor I believe from Dallas and I recounted the story that was told in that book that because it was on the edge of his existence when he woke up in the he realized how important his family was to him but he stood up and he made it back into camp and I told this story to my wife because I just was so captivated by your nose is such a wonderful thing. And her response was different than mine. Should she responded to by saying why does it take almost dying to let you know that your family is really important to you and I hadn't thought about it that way and I wonder what's your perspective on on that question. I'll tell you so. I think two parts, one on the way out. I did not know to call this thing is called Summit. It's when you have the desire to Summit so badly that you're willing to sacrifice everything else in the process. In order to make that happen and for me actually really sick right before right before we went to leave for the summer.

I got sick and so II called Rachel phone call and she mentioned earlier will never forget and decide tears my eyes like that I can make some the very next day. I wasn't fully recovered.

I decided I would climb and go towards the top, which is one of the most dangerous thing to do is when you get sick and decide you still can't write because it takes all of you to begin what to make it a top and back down so I'm going to 75%.

It can be quite fatal and so moments that you know why I essentially was willing to sacrifice everything and pursue my dream really wasn't until the way down is when you know on cell survival with a really nasty storm of the way down about 75 on our Windsor team split up and that's really when I felt fear like I've never felt before. Right.

It started to become very clear.

The things that I could miss back, I saw that you saw dead bodies.

It felt very real.

Those kind of, close calls or times of fear. Looking back on it. What lessons did you learn in making this climb that still impact to well I'll tell you all of our blogs on YouTube.

We say love God, love people make a difference and be thankful I'm in that really holds true. From this experience and even writing the book just to sell in our everyday life. It's putting God first and having faith through those trials and those unknown circumstances, letting the people around us. Others are has been on or just our community and it's making a difference. So using our passions for something greater. I don't believe that our passions are just there for ourselves and there is more purpose in a course to be thankful and our story is an everyday thing for me.

I know I could've lost my hesitance to every single day moving forward on thankful for his presence. I'm thankful for my children and I'm just thankful for this, you are a watercourse of your reflections that can still linger with you a couple things one communication. One of the main things I learned specifically on the mountain from a multitude of lessons we were at camp three reaction at a critical decision error of only bringing our cell phones way high up on the mountain. We had thought that we would have good cell reception and so we didn't bring any other advice. And so, although we were right next to each other. The winds were blowing we can actually hear what you were saying. I think there's so much truisms about life.

You know Rachel and I are sitting next to each other right now it doesn't mean that communication is actually taking place and in the second thing I would say is exactly the title of our book and we talk a lot about higher calling that everyone has a higher call to God is always working in you doing things in you and through you that you can't see swells important to your dreams is important also to look to him and allow you allow him to guide your path along the way but wanted to share with alluded a couple of times to the foundation that you guys set up socially bit about that in the purpose and what what you're what you're doing so week we have the Earl stand foundation and that was kind of my dream and from them, and I started our YouTube channel because when I started being vulnerable and sharing my story and what I was locking sale. I immediately received messages from other women in my situation and other military girlfriends or spouses who could relate to what is going sales and so I just realized that community need, and they would share their sufferings and so I said hey, what if we can direct this to be something way bigger than ourselves and our story and so started bringing in some money. We wanted to put that money back into our community. So we set up the girls and foundation. I just to meet the needs of our community on tap for.

I love to love them as well say can and so we have a team of volunteers from our Earl spam on that works on projects every single month, we have given that we have get in on Christmas present dance on just that the projects kind of our English into to whatever the situation currently is focusing on other military couples Road. It's just everybody in our Earl spam community, which we just consider anybody always go to go to the both of you are believers in Christ before you got married made that pretty clear that Harrell would you say your face and grew through the six will like to hear both of you should hold your faith grow through this experience for me. My faith especially on the mountain younger on his always been a roller coaster ride. I feel like it's always had highs and is always at Lowe's and I really learned from Rachel as her how she's even killed.

She has such a solid relationship with Christ. No matter the situation and for me when I was on the mountain questioningly. I wanted to be close to God because I thought that I need a dog close to me. Not that I want to be close to God, just for the sake of that.

I always need to be close to God and so really the learning lesson for me was after I got down off the mountain. You know, going up the mountain. Also send worship music. Got your praise God and then on the way back you after summoning in and headed back. I was listening to hip-hop music and thought I was hot stuff.

It was honestly reflecting months later it really just growing to Ranger school. I grew a lot devotionals everyday and really just ahead. God needs to be actually part of my life. Every moment of my life because the mundane moments are actually important, not just when I needed just I think that thing for me from a very early age. I realize the importance of having a personal relationship with God. It's just so much deeper when you really just pour out your heart to the Lord. This constant communication that you have (and so on my adventure. I was actually in Ireland walking around some clips that bear and I came across this fence that said find God in all things and that was just like wow this light anything that you're walking to God is ever present. He is always there to lean on and you know he that he doesn't cause those that you know and he wants get to come from then on, and to just lean on him and that was the thing that got me through every single day time you say that the expedition Everest sharpened your vision to make a difference in the world what you that God is able to use you in ways that you can see I think God puts passions in your heart that does passions may not be the end state that he's actually trying to get you to for me. I've never seen that more clear in my life than on Everest oases work throughout the meeting with Rachel.

Rachel's passions amici from a young age is always been fascinated and enamored with videography and so she thought at the time that she wanted to go into being amusing.

She knew that's all that she could see a soccer passions about the beautiful thing is how God has used that and shape those passions to build this online community that back then. She never even knew could exist and were able to impact people for the glory of God and just by sharing our everyday life's original this vision that you have for this old-line ministry. How soon did that come after this this event well.

It was from the very beginning. It helps myself to tell the world about it for quite a while because when you first start I need to know make any money whatsoever. So honestly, I lays to the ministry. Anyways, just by being vulnerable and change my life on a nice face, but once I saw the monetary side of that come through I told you.

And hey, this is what I see for it and he was fired and that just made me excited as well and so I think it was last year was the last full year now that we had was with his resurrection when she started her YouTube channel. III suggested anyone you create abuses when we still West Point and so she she made a video. She posted it and it honestly got a lot of backlash in the you know, like cadet community.

It actually went viral, among the court time and so it was anything you know it was I had them over there would I support my wife right or what I got. Hey, maybe this is the best thing but I know for Rachel. She felt like hey this is a voice. This is a chance that I have impact. Other people may be going through things similar to lean into what God is asking of me every step of the way because it is so hard to be vulnerable. I mean people will come for you and they will try to tear you down for every little thing on the it was discontinued messages from people saying hey you help me do this you help me find God, for the first time now is God speaking to people to tell me hey keep going.

God is working through this time and I just lean into that and who knows what else is girls and Rachel. Anyone who knows anything about military marriages knows that there's a lot of stress that in fact the divorce right in military marriages is much higher than the divorce rate in civilian marriages, according to God's to keep your old marriage growing and strong. You are so right because it is so challenging and so the biggest thing we try to do is to remember that were on the same team. We actually came up with our own little team name Eisenstein hungry just a little bit silly, but I think that's really powerful because in the moments that are difficult between and we are my needs. This is team hungry you know like we're in this together.

Whatever the situation is that might be separating us. It should be the other way around us against whatever that bad thing is happening and sell like a little bit of a funny name. And just to break the mood. But just remembering like you're in it together and you can't succeed on your own. Anytime you know, stress, adversity, long distance deployments for spouses. I think that is when communication is strained right even the moments we been living in these past months with pandemics and riot since everything that's going on, amplifies the need to communicate because while I may think that I know what my partners going through. I don't always do everything right and so I don't know what she's feeling is so important to be what have those conversations just like a Rachel after that that part of me had I didn't think I was able to pull me aside were able to have a deep talk was our talk. You have to lose our talk undoubtedly was a moment of talking with our relationship and even just communicating your love for one another and sell so important.

We like to say the little moments count on whether it's leaving a note for one another. Whether it's coming up and rubbing your spouse's shoulders and he talked about "The 5 Love Languages" enough to figure out what it is how you can show that lab and express every day to two young sons no reported you learned from your two children is hard… Ever. Sometimes my thought on say like our two-year-old right now.

I mean, he soaks everything and I Carol and I will let you know from you know, so the way that we speak that way that we act and let me tell you, you are directly every single day taking in 19 just so if you don't have it in you to live the best life for yourself for your children. We talk about in the book.

My my parents actually got a divorce right after the month after that really shape our relationship.

We had many talks and how we live our life now that it's important to show to our kids the love that we have for each other. They can see us holding hands they can see me walk binder broke the love that you know her to her dance with her. You know in the kitchen. I think those things are so important to show to book some time ago called things I wish I had known before we became parents and one of the chapters is I wish I had known that no two children are alike. Have you discovered that with your two well I will say I want your own. Her youngest. He is just a very happy little fella to the same when he was younger.

Now PAC is just like full of joy all the time that you differently. Whatever their needs are and so it will be interesting to see one at a little more. I continue to see this difference is, and how we need to alter myself. I know that takes a lot of discipline to write a book hello to you actually been working on writing this book, I'll tell you writing this book is been the hardest thing I had ever think people client realize that we have had so many twists and turns things that just like really didn't work out for as actually just started originally-year-old is writing the book on his own. I think I was honestly right after he had somebody ever recorded the whole time he was on Everest with mind. But then a year later when we had discovered hey we want to do this together and then a completely change from their work together in writing, it will have the right part of the other was reported that work mended has been a journey so originally we started out with advice tapering on a cool right help us write it in. We realize that just wasn't the best because you know we are so passionate about our book wanted every word the county from us. We really write this ourselves.

And so really it was kind of in a back-and-forth. I remember we were sitting in the room were in right now our guest room. Rachel was laying on the bed on sitting at our desks and we were tight back-and-forth because the book is actually a back-and-forth dialogue. As you know, so maybe you know three paragraphs are Rachel and I merely pick up and continue the story on which allows us to intertwine.

It can definitely make for a challenging writing process wanted to stay true to our voices community knows that we did share life every day and there is always that kind of back and forth a little bit of answer we wanted to make sure that that came through in her book as well. Work with the co-author of a challenging experience, but I think that sounds like you all had a really good good experience in working together with me ask you this as we get near the end of our program. What will you hope readers are going take away from this book. I hire calling. I think I want it to not be about our story, you know, I want men to then reflect on their own life and see where those changes can be made. I don't want to just be L story because it put it away. No change has occurred on and whatever is true for that person whether it means going closer to the Lord and journaling. I share a lot of my journals in the book, or if it means he I want to love my spouse so much better I feel like I can be a more supportive partner or is it saying I have these passions in these dreams, and I really haven't been putting effort forward to pursue them. Why don't I go after them now. Well I think this especially right now is the parallels we see right now in the life they were living with the pandemic and all sorts of things going on and what we faced together on Everest Odyssey I think is applicable to most everyone listening everyone is going through some sort of challenge. Everyone has their own Everest to climb if you will, and honestly through our failures and things that we learned our hope is that they can grow as well write it while dreams are worth pursuing God is and use those in ways that you can never see I love that I love that sometimes your biggest challenges are your biggest story right so don't just be afraid and lean into it and learn from it, or submit a person or the hour. This will put both of you for taking time to share with us and that I really hope that the many many many of our listeners are going to get this book and read it.

I'm telling you it will be a challenge to each of them.

So thanks for taking the to to write the book. May God continue to go to your life very present you. Everyone listening. We love you right now search for goals. Family laws subscribe right there have five love you will see a higher calling, pursuing, love, faith in Mount Everest for purpose.

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