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I'm with Ahadi, the black guy, and I'm Roy Jones, the white guy. And we are two brothers from different mothers, but the same father, Aimé Mané Van and Roy, we got a guest here today that some may recognize him from his show, Bridging the Gap. Minister Canaday is a house. He's here in the House with us today.

And we're going to be talking about a very sensitive subject. Everybody on the news have seen what has happened out there with George Floyd, and everybody has had their opinion about, you know, what should be done in order to bring about some type of reconciliation. So we want to talk about that today because it's a it's a topic that needs to be discussed. And if it's discussed, this should be discussed in a church, because this is where things like this should be talked about, because we are the arms, legs, eyes of Christ while we are here in this body.

A man with always good to have you here with us.

Yes. A blessing is a to be here. I'm honored to be here. You know, I'll be following you guys around you guys. He handed me a business I love. I love what you guys are doing with men's ministry. And that's one of the first ministries that I start out, was with men's ministry. So I just appreciate you guys and the love that you have for the Lord and for others, you know, shows and what you do. You know, so I appreciate you. I'ma try to make the breakfasts that cover.

So, yeah, you're BSF, not me. Right? That's awesome.

That's tomorrow morning. Yeah. I see. I got the AT&T guys coming to our studio. We built the studio over here. So he's coming there. So I got to be there eight o'clock so I'ma try to figure it out of a job figure figured out.

But I got a call to a rapper.

He uses like most repair guys, you've got to win them between eight and two. We'll be.

That's what it is. Well, you know, I don't want to miss and we've missed him for like two weeks straight. So just about bet it won't be eight o'clock.

Well, hey, it's so good to get this thing started. I mean, it's been very difficult. Two months, I guess, which is just another highlight. And the challenges we're going through as a country and of course, across the world, you know, with racism, as you were talking before the show, Duane. It certainly is not just between black and white. It's between multiple races, some within the same race and just different economic groups that cause the separation than a lot of things going on. So we're just excited to get started. Hey, folks, we know this is going to be a little uncomfortable for if you're listening. Could be a little bit uncomfortable for all of us because, you know, we we haven't pre pre rehearsed this thing. We haven't talked ahead of time. We said, hey, let's get together and get this thing started. So we're basically come to you live with this conversation. So you're hearing it as it's being discussed.

And if it's if it's hard for you, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, then you should be uncomfortable. Real. Exactly. Because, you know, we we want to step out of the comfort zone.

That's right. And let me lead off by saying this. We the three of us are all followers of Christ. We love each other as brothers in Christ because we've known each other for several years now. And that's all that matters. So if any earthly parts of those conversations come in as brothers in Christ, we'll hold each other in check. Hey, is this what God wants us to do is is where we need to be as a society. That's the good part about being followers of Christ. You can have the difficult conversations, but at the end of the day, you know, you love each other. And that's a key principle in truth.

Truth is sweet. The truth is sweet.

But it can't be bitter. Absolutely. Absolutely. Cancer. Honey to the mouth. But going down better in the stone. Yeah. Like that it. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

So when when listeners when you see what you're seeing that's happening in the news and happening now around the world. It's not just America. It's around the world. It's in London. It's in Spain. It's in Belgium. All of these protests now spread around the world.

And so when we look at this, we say, what? What is the issue? That's what's going on in the mind right now.

What is the issue that is being faced?

With America and what we have seen on the news in reference because Roy, just three or four weeks ago, we were talking about, you know, George Ahmad Aubrey and now we're talking about George flowing. So, you know, it's like this turnaround. And I remember you had asked me during that conversation, you know what? What was it or how was I feeling? And one of the things I say, it was here it goes again. Well, here it goes again. So so now we we are sort of we sort of like went full circle.

Yeah. I'd like to know when you say here it goes again. What exactly does that mean when you say here it goes again in your heart? What is that's resonating to when you see. So here it goes again. Are we talking about the death of a black man or are we talking in or African-American men? Are we talking about the the fact that a police officer or exploits of Zimbardo only makes sure we're clear to the right when I say here it goes again, or is it just the death of a man?

I believe it's it's overall, you know, it's the over all arching effect of when people see no one constantly on the news. Police brutality and we got I got brought some things with me that we don't talk about in reference to how brutality of the police or violence or the police department can be diminish based on these statistics that we're going to talk about later. But when you say when you see. And we were talking about this earlier, a policeman with his neck on the back of an individual. OK. We saw that happen. We saw in South Carolina where a man who was basically running away from the policeman shot him in the back. We see what a mod robbery. So we see when Michael Brown up there in and was in Missouri.

So we have all of these examples. So when we take each example of what we've seen and we say, what if that individual who was on the other side of that fence when that man was running away in South Carolina, what if the video wasn't recorded? What would have been the end result? Right. So seeing so see, so so the the telephone camera has actually change the mentality of how things are projected to the media. And the truth eventually is coming out. Mm hmm. So, yeah. So when I when I say that that's that's what I mean. I mean that the whole the whole scope is not just one specific item within the scope is the whole scope. Right.

So when this started there over the last couple weeks, I won't pull statistics. Actually, my youngest son and I were having a conversation about it because I was troubled by what continues to go on between whites and blacks and who and and just in the breakdown in relationships. Right. Because we're never gonna get any better. We've talked about this. And if especially if we as the body of Christ can't do it right. Lord knows that the world's not going to get right. So statistically, he said that. Have you looked at the numbers? And to this point there, in 2019, there were 260 or 270 black American men or black men in America that were killed by police officers in the same year in them of maybe a few know there's 360 some white men killed by police officers. So the point being that that's want to get to a holistic view is that there are six hundred men that were killed. Grand, you know, and we know it's it's it's more publicized to your wording. Earlier, it was on the media about the black men that are being there, had been killed. But we haven't seen any about any of the white man that had been killed wrongfully by or with excessive force. And let's be real clear. We're not being down on any of our police officers. We support you. We love you. We know you have a very difficult job. Absolutely. We want to put that clause out there as well. It's like any profession or like any any company or any family. There's always some people that are out there doing some things they had done with a police officer before we got here tonight and we've had him his show for a few weeks. He said, Roy, did you realize that that guy had an 18 18 complaints on him prior to this incident? This particular officer had not been dealt with. So there was a breakdown in the process. Right. In fact, he said he should have never even got in. He wouldn't have made it the most psychological sense, which which I thought was interesting. So because of the fact he's had this many occurrences over 19 years. Well, Aaron has not had. He's been 19 years. That's. How many complaints have you had for excessive force? There is a big man, though. He's six. Four. And he said zero. So I think let's just throw that out there as part of our conversation. When you say here, go again, I'm just warning what that what that means. And trust me, you know, my heart broken heart about this, but I think it's important for our listeners to know it's not just one side to Duane's comment earlier. It is. It happens on both sides of the fence. Right.

Well, let's get Mensa candidate in here. What do you see here as the issue?

Well, you know, there's so much on the table. There's so much on the table.

And. You know, I have a lot to say, but but I will start I will start right here. You know. With the camera setup, the phone camera, because that exposed it. Without that, we nobody would know anything. A mess. So you have to go before the camera and realize how many events was never wasn't wasn't to publicize. Right. So this is this is not this is not a 50 year old thing. This is a 400 year thing. You know what? You what you actually have this whole problem. It's a boiling point. Everything gets to a boiling point. You know, and it's boiling now. The key principle is that we had before it was just it was just African-Americans protesting. You know, we have the world. I mean, they it was a hundred thousand some people in New Zealand protesting, walking down, talking about Black Lives Matter. I mean, you know, so what I'm saying is that it's more publicized now. So change is going to come. Change is being made. But the thing about about the individual thing because. You have to you know, the oppressed who, if the oppressed is the only one talking about the oppression. It's never going to change. You have to have the oppressor or get to a place where, you know, this is wrong. You know it is wrong. Now, I think what you have now, you have a lot of people that are empathizing, not just sympathize, but empathizing with our culture, because, you know, imagine your kids. You know, somebody just take your kid from you. I mean, so we have this is a 400 year problem and it's get to a boiling point as far as the police. I'ma tell you, that's a key principal right there.

I couldn't be a police, nor could because I will be one of the guys. I'm not going to take no Ayles. I'm not going take a loss. Know, I'm saying so. I'm coming in to the situation with my mind, like, you know, I'm not I'm not ready. Go down. So. So some people can't be police. Some people shouldn't be police. Right. And that's where the mental that they have to check these people, like you pointed out, that statistic. That's that's it. That's some deep stuff. These people have to be, you know, Lepic. Everything needs to go right now where we are right now. It has to go to some type of police reform. He has to win a foundation. This is messed up. You've got to tear the whole foundation down and rebuild it. And that's what we're that's where it is. That's where should be going right now.

So it's I a it's a lot of stuff going on. Well, I don't disagree with you doing. I think what we have to be cognizant of is when you take whatever the ratio is right, that statistics don't lie. The numbers of occurrences like when you talked about that when we come back. So we understand the scope of it. There are some bad folks out there. We we all agree on both sides, bad folks that are on the civilian side, bad folks that home that aren't doing the job right.

We'll be back here in just a moment. Thank you very much.

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Welcome back, folks. We're here. We're getting used to our intro back from the break.

So good to have you back with. So as we were talking about before the break doing, we were talking about, statistically speaking. Right. So I guess it's like anything you have to you have to take the total number of incidents against the total population or the total number of occurrences that go on within whatever profession is in this case, the total number of instance that police officers do their job day in, day out. No issues. They'd love level people. They try to coach people even when they're getting spat on. They're getting that the right word spousal on. And just all those things, they still do it right every day. So we have these situations where things have gone wrong, either because the person shouldn't have been in the job to begin with or they've just gotten so complacent with life because of all they see every day. And then and then, of course, let's not forget, what was it like three years ago that officers were being killed and shot at random? I mean, May I think it's inside three years, wasn't it? So I couldn't imagine putting on my uniform every day and not first, not knowing what someone's gonna shoot at me or just kill me, walk up to the car and execute him. Or if a movie shot getting out in my car or going into a domestic situation. So very, very difficult job.

Very difficult to get. You've got to be there has to be some type of of training and response and staying up with these people because police see some of the horrific they I mean, terrible things to that their career. And, you know, it's on and on and on. And I see it day in and day out, you know, eight hours. I mean, I see some some horrible thing. And you know what affects them.

Yeah. Does it desensitize them? It actually makes you very callous. And so I think the same thing happens to the people growing up. And that's one thing when you talk to back to what our whole job is as an organization, is getting men to take their proper and got assigned roles. And we know there's one things I want to talk about. What role does the lack of father play in in these situations where people getting into trouble? I mean, if you get into trouble and you're getting arrested, there's some there's some basis behind getting arrested if you're breaking the law and get arrested. Let's separate the in the inappropriate behavior of the police officer. Let's get to the core issue. I would like to throw that out as a discussion point. If you're not getting in trouble, you're not having an encounter with police officers, generally speaking. Now, there are those racial profiling situation we see works. And I get stopped because of the color skin. We've talked about that's that's back to wrong. That's back to training this back to loving on people instead of expecting the worst. So let's just throw that out. There's a question.

Well, before you before we dove into that, I want to go back to something that was stated earlier, is that all policemen are not like the police that we saw make the neck on the back. I think, you know, hit neck on the back of the guy on the ground.

All police are like that to see what that is. Is it stereotypical as what it is? It's a stereotype.

If you wear the uniform, you are automatically evil. And that's not the case. Exactly right. You know, you you you if you are African-American, you play basketball and eat watermelon. So that's a stereotype. You know, an Asian individual. All of them know martial arts. See, these stereotypical ideologies is what break down the system of really concrete thinking, the way we should go in to a discussion when we start talking about this. You know, so we can't look at the small part and say, judge, the whole the whole is like the small. I agree with you. Well, that's good. Good, good summary. And see, when we put that out there, then we say, OK, that's out there now. So when we talk, we're not talking about the whole we're talking about just those individuals who go against the things that they were trying to do. Right. Right now, since we all started talking about the police officer in a gang and how hold your thought thought there, because I got some about law shows.

You go wherever you want to go. Absolutely.

So as I got this off of Web site, call campaign zero is call eight. Can't wait dot org. And it's it's actually a Web site that President Obama recommended people go to and see if their particular cities are listed and how they're listed as far as category. And so they say it on this Web site that if police.

Policies.

If they do these things, then the police policy and the police violence as a result of this policy would go down. Seventy two percent, which I thought was like, wow, just blown away. But apparently this this organization keeps the statistics and no one was. They need to bar chokeholds.

That was number one. Mark Choco's.

Number two was require an officer to de-escalate a situation as a big one, right?

Absolutely. Well, okay. Keep going. Yeah. Let me let me go. Let me go back to that. See, I see I see right now that Roy is all geared up on this thing with a de-escalation. Yeah.

So the number three was require a warning before shooting. It is right off the website now I'm reading. And then it says exults number four was exhaust all other means before shooting.

Number five was their duty to intervene.

Now, this one was a big one in just what we what we just saw. Their duty to intervene. Intervene in what? In reference to the amount of force someone else that is being used with someone else's use. Exactly. Which which means which means that when the individual had his neck on George Floyd, two officers sort of say, get off this guy. That's what. That's intervening.

That's what the officer had dinner with, was referred to as well.

And then. It was bands shooting at moving vehicles. That was that was on the Web site and then require the use of force continuum. Now, what force continuum is and it's it's like a broad definition, but force continuum. And, of course, Aaron, probably speak better to this when we have him on. It says that an officer is required to use the amount of force necessary based on the resistance that is being given to him in reference to our arrests. So, again, that's broad. Say it and you can go a whole lot of places. But again, they are trained in areas like that, of course, area. And then the last one was require a comprehensive report and see the officers there in Atlanta down the six that got fired. What they did, they turned off their body cam. So again. So now you will have a comprehensive report based on video. You've got one word against another word. So. But. Yeah. Go. Going back to that, the de-escalation.

Can I just sit here thinking that all of us sitting around this table have been in situations where stuff started to escalate? Yeah. One person doesn't de-escalate the situation. They can attempt to if the other person is listening and will react accordingly. Can the escalate. But how many times do officers get out there, whether a domestic don't matter what color skin is? They get into a domestic situation and have to times when you see they go to answer domestic call fight between the husband and wife, guess who ends up getting attacked? The woman turns on the husband of the man turns on the husband, Opinium, who's Reznik made the call and generally the one that made the call is coming back after the officer. So that's just a small example of de-escalation doesn't work. You know, that needs to be multiple. So situations like we're dealing with right now, when there's hundreds of people, if not thousands of people that are tearing up stuff and blowing up stores and burning them down. And I mean, in general, Nather in their own neighborhoods, too. In some of these people aren't even in those neighborhoods. They're just showing up. How do you de-escalate that? And that's where some of the police also been accused of not of not doing anything and watching stuff happen. Well, at some point when the numbers out outweigh your numbers of riot control, I would assume that they have no choice but to kind of just they can't de-escalate it. My point. So it's I guess that's a great theoretical step.

Well, no, no, it's not it's not theoretical in the sense is what they're saying here is the officer should do this. We're not saying it's going to work. We're saying that as part of your training, you should go in an attempt to de-escalate. We're so we and we can give examples. We can give examples as to all of what why something like this won't work. But that's what we have to do. They have to go in and attempt it. We're not saying it's gone.

We know in the officer I had dinner with spoke very much to that about when he approached situation. He even come in, know what he would have done. He told his coworkers that if he'd been you had a broken jaw because you would have been off. That's just the heart of this. Know, I think if we were to survey one hundred police officers, we'd probably get 98 percent would respond the same. They are taught to de-escalate. They're taught to go in and manage things. They're not supposed to get emotional.

And I think that's the biggest thing. You know, they are trained to take control of any environment that they come into. And I think that's that's like a pro and a pro. And it you not me. I tell my kids all the time is if you do something nice for someone else, you can get better results than being being mean media, you know.

But then, you know, I take my hat off to the police officers and I tell you this because I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I definitely be, you know, in cuffs. And I'll say I'm for it, you know, because I'm not going to do you just saying good. You know, I can't do it with you. But but I was I remember I just bought a car. It was nighttime. I bought a car and I was driving, had some friends with me. And I pulled up and the cops pulled me over because the stuff he had on the plate to have one of them liquor, the drinking drink plates on it. So I hadn't known about this. I'd just given him my information and all this stuff. And the guy was like, Oh, man, you know what? You pretty nice man. You know, we just we talked and he said, I'm a let you go. But then the sirens blaring and then Robocop pulled up on the port call and jumped out of the car, slammed the door, fixing his plan, and he walked in. When he was walking to me, he bumped me like bolt me almost like brought me into the car. I'm just like male. That night I got locked up because of RoboCup. The other cop was, you know, we talked. I showed him all my credentials. He was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing about it, right before the cop said one local cop pulled up, he said, Hey, man, I'm sorry.

He knew what was gonna happen before I knew. Oh. The other police also paused as soon as the guy rolled in. Yeah. He knows given. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there were stereotypes. You're in a new car with goofy friends. You stereotype. So, I mean, that's exactly what we've talked about. Doesn't need to be half. So de-escalation is part of their training. It just doesn't always work because we know human nature on the other side is going to have to fight with no matter what the time. So, hey. Wow. Where did the first where did the first half hour goes? So, hey, come back. Join us next week. We'll pick this conversation back up the way. It's going to stay with us and we'll look forward to having him back. So God bless all you folks and we hope you join.

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Welcome to Mantar, brought to you by T8 WSC. I'm talking and walking Christian Men's Ministry, where they're devoted to breaking down the walls of race and denomination and challenging men to take their God assigned role. Here's our host Wil Hardy and Roy Jones Junior, a black guy and a white guy.

Welcome to Man Talk Radio, I'm Wil Hardy. The black guy, and I'm Roy Jones, the white guy.

You know, Roy, we were talking last week with a minister candidate who is back with us in reference to all the things that we have seen in the media news media with George flowing. And we talked about what some of the issues we we felt was and we talked about how all policemen are not, you know, bad people and don't do the things that this police officer did in Minnesota.

And I want to address something before we start getting into the conversation. This is something we were talking about off the air when Mr. Candidate mentioned it.

And in Exodus Chapter one and I I shared this with on the CMG in Exodus, Chapter one, what FERO did and we were talking about Minister Kennedy, about that power and authority that an individual would exhibit.

And so what he did is he said he went to the well, he oppress the Israelites.

And the word God says the more he oppressed them, beginning with verse eight, the more he oppress them, the stronger they grew up. And and they begin to grow more and they begin to grow more.

And any say it. Wow, they're going to be. Yes, it's a whole lot of them out here now. So what's going to happen if they align themselves with our enemy and then all of a sudden they attack us and they put us in slavery, you know?

So he's thinking about the control, that control factor. The next thing he did was he went to the midwives and he called to the midwives and he said. OK, when a male child is born, I want you to kill it. Kill a male child. And so they say, we fear God more than fair or we ain't doing this. And so they began to grow being he took it one step further. He said, OK. Round up all of the man and the boys that are born and throw him in a river. So you see this this sort of like step in elevation of oppression and the vigor because he simply wanted to keep the numbers manageable. And that's what you do when you are leader and you fear that if the people who you are pressing get bigger than you. That's a fear right now. I'm not equating this to what is happening today. I'm just putting it out here as this is what the word of God says that Pharaoh did to the children of Israel. And ultimately, God watched over them. They began to grow, multiply. And then finally, the the plagues come. We all know the story. You know, Aaron and Moses going to Pharaoh saying, let my people go. So, you know, a lot of of what we see is an Mrs. Kennedy was talking about this earlier on last week, show on how this is a period of many, many years. Yeah. So we are seeing many, many years of what has happened and it's carried forward to what we see today.

And if I could end up with simazine on, you know, slavery in the Old Testament, you came up, you came to slavery about two different ways. One of them was you signed up for it. You know, you go by or you or you you body bodies. What Scripture says don't buy you ball and you are subject to them. All right. The other one is you go through slavery, through a war. You know, when we're not when when when you lose a war, whatever's there, you become a slave to the kings that won the war. So those are two things for slavery. This American slavery that we've been experiencing, that that's not biblical at all. There's this. There's no. So. So what you have what you have lost now, you have a historical trauma that we're living in right now, historical trauma from the past 400 some years. You know, we and we ain't been out that long. You know, I'm saying so. So this is historical trauma. So so I know we was talking about the root of rioting and all this stuff that now I look at it in a different sense. Of course, we know that's not scripture. God is not for that, God is not into that and not that God speaks against that. But then you have to also understand that in that process, you're talking about looting, breaking windows, and it was some deaths, you know, and all this other stuff. But that still doesn't compare to the 400 years of this historical trauma. See, so what you get. You have a boiling point. You know, there was one scripture. There was one scripture in the Bible that I could never understand. I read the Bible. I studied the Bible. I went through everything with one script in Revelation when he said, well, he's talking about the. That the two prophets. And he said they can be killed and stoned. And he said, everybody is going to see it at one time. And I was like, how are going to do that? This is before cell phones. I'm like, why do I do that? See, now I see this phone here.

This these camera phones, you record me. Everybody see everything, like instantly exists. So I understand how scripture fulfills itself. And this is why this is so big right now. It's not just the black people. It's Caucasian people. It's. This this standard with us is this Asians. This is the world. They're standing with us. And I think that's where the big key is at right now.

All of what I think we have seen and we need to talk to our children. We need to bring about programs within the four walls of our local building because that that building is not the church. That's why I say local build. And we need to because this children, preteens, teens, young adults, they all have questions. They all have questions. Why is this happening? And and, you know, when you are speaking about all those years of oppression and I've mentioned this again during our CMG, is that the 13th Amendment, 14th and 15th Amendment was supposed to number one 13th Amendment was supposed to abolish slavery.

The 14th Amendment gave everyone the right under the Constitution, whatever constitutions say it you you know, as a citizen, a naturalized citizen, slaves included, that you had these rights under the Constitution. Of course, the 15th Amendment allowed the the right to vote.

But all of that, even though that was in the Constitution and this is this is why we were talking about earlier, that you can't legislate this because that was legislation. That was legislation that came out to say you have these rights. Right. But yet they didn't happen after the civil war. Why? Execution were not a strategy. Exactly. And I see it in the individuals who were holding on during the South. They didn't want to let this up. So right after the war had had ended, you had these three constitutional amendments come out. But then the for example, the right to vote because you had what was known as black codes and the black codes turned in to Jim Crow laws and the black codes and Jim Crow laws, they were there basically to keep the black man at bay so he could continue to be an indentured servant. That that was basically it was it's a whole lot of other things in there, too. But that was basically why these codes were permitted. And so now they didn't want to let it go. So now you have you have the black man who is out there and he's gone. Wait a minute. We're we're holding offices because they didn't hold office, public office, you know, in the mid eighteen hundreds held public office, but nothing would go through them because they were a minority. And so as much things that they would bring up, there was like, well, this thing's gonna get beat down, you know, just because of where we sit. And then the right to vote. How many times have we seen again in history? And I'm and this is all based on the 400 years that that minister candidate was talking about. How many times have we seen these the Jim Crow laws enacted until a man by the name of Martin Luther King came along and say, you know, let's let's we've got it. We've got to stop this. And then the Civil Rights Act came about, which allow the black man of almost 100 years, almost a hundred years from the time the Jim Crow laws ceased till the civil rights movement. And that's just a little history.

I mean, going off and now, you know, systemic racism and it exists. And the thing about it is there's a lot of people that gained from that. And then there's that many more that were hurt by that. So you've got those running on the same playing field who you know. And that's why my my thing is police reform. You have to have a different face. You have to create a different look for your police. I don't I don't want to say restitution or anything like that. But the bottom line is, if individuals can't say, wow, what you guys went through, it's totally wrong, man. We're poor. I had a couple of my friends call me this week while it's going on and they just say, hey, man, you know, I want you to know that I'm there for you. And, you know, that was encouraging. You know, and it's that simple. The simplistic things. You know, but it's an individual thing. And we all know scripture. This stuff is going to be here, perhaps. But but long as the individual start changing their mindset. Because there's some people that don't feel like nothing is wrong. Absolutely. And the thing is, just because you don't feel the problem don't mean that the problem don't exist.

Well, that's a problem. Society in general. Right? I mean, if it's not in your backyard, most people pay attention to it. And the only reason most people penitents this now is because it's visible. It's on the news. It's been publicized. It's affecting just about all the major cities across the country. So it's they can't help with pay attention. But I mean, just like with anything, we can go back through time that people are just I won't say ignorant. They're just complacent to what's going on. This not outside of that or that is outside of their particular arena. And that's goes back to where I think we've lost a lot with these phones, as we've talked about. You know, you don't have phone. You don't have conversations with each other anymore. You don't go visit your neighbor. You don't you.

When's the last time he had a neighborhood cookout? So, I mean, that's the point. So and then again, I put this back out there to lead this into the next half. You know, first off, nobody is ever going to be perfect. They're not all going to do it right. But if we go back to if we could get back to teaching core values value of life and you don't break the wall first. And you love your neighbor.

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Welcome back to the show and Dwayne. It's so good to have you here again.

I want to say thank you for taking time out of your busy skies to be less blessed. But what back to what we said right before the break, folks. You know, it's a value of life and it's there is a right and wrong. And we've talked about this off line that there's there is a right and wrong. But society today would tell you that wrong is now. Right. And I mean, this goes and the issue we're talking about at hand, as you were talking about, or it goes back for centuries, but there's one thing that we all agree upon and we're all in accord even through this conversation. I want everyone to know that we love each other and we're serving God, you know, is that we can't change one thing about the past. And, you know, the rearview mirror is small for a reason. It's just there as a reference point is not to constantly go back and live that over because we all know we can't change the one thing that we did yesterday or last year or 10 years ago. But we can impact the decisions we make moving forward. And that's how we're going to effect change to indwelling. I think you said earlier maybe it was off line, but about forgiveness. We've got to be willing to forgive me. You know, and biblically speaking, do you want Grace like Christ extended to us and died for us because we didn't deserve it? Well, you want justice. So I think that's something we listeners you need to be a part of this is that it's got to be about Grace who recognize the failure, recognize the wrong. But then how is it going to change moving forward? And it's going to require everybody to change. It's not like you said, Duane. It's not just a black white. It's not just an Asian non Asians. This is all people got to change. And we've got to get this addressed holistically. And people start loving each other, as Christ has commanded us to do, is to love your neighbor. Then you won't do any this other stuff and you won't do any such stuff.

And that and that's the thing. How do you get an individual to start loving a man who he has, you know, hate for it?

See, that's that's the thing, too, to get us to get us together.

And first talking. And then you talk. You don't talk to the individual. You you talk about the issue. And then you let the love of God and the word of God penetrate that thick skin of the individual permeate to their heart. And then that in turn will be will put that seed in there. Which individual you talk about? I'm talking about the individual. OK. You've got you've got two individuals. You've got the one who's the born again believer and you got the one who we're talking about. Then believe the unbeliever, the individual who has hate for all, man.

Right. And see, we understand we who are born again. So I guess I'm I'm I have to make sure I say that we who are born again when we go to the unbeliever. Our message should always be the message of Jesus Christ. It should be in in in every sense of the word. So, again, if you have one individual over here who is harboring the hatred and another individual who is harboring the hatred, hatred, and then you see those two individuals yelling at each other like we see on the nightly news, you know, then that when we see that, it's like how how do I go and be the arms, legs, eyes and ears of Jesus Christ as a message to convey to these individuals?

Well, you know, I put the answer on that the church today. We are morally conscious. We we are conscious about the laws of the Lord, the will of God. We are conscious about that. But we also have to be socially conscious. And I think there's so many people that are morally conscious in the church, abiding, by the way the words and the laws of God. But they're not socially conscious. They don't see all of the social stuff, mainly stuff, because they it doesn't affect them, you know. But we have to. In the Book of Proverbs, Proverbs, Proverbs 31 eight to nine is speaks on it. We have to be the voice. We have to be the voice. Now, I think if more people stand up and I say it's the individual thing because it's the individual that has the stand. Yeah. You know. But now when when all the individuals come together together corporately, you know, now now we can move some things. But it's the individual first has to change. Just like in our walk with God, it deals with us individually. But we have a lot of moral, moral conscious Christians. But that social conscience Christians who we have to understand and identify. That's why empathy is so important to me. Is that because that takes takes you? And puts you in that person's situation. You have you have a better understanding. And I mean, you got to do is look at the reality. I mean, you know, if I came up and took your case. And I'm saying. And you you don't have any. Well, you don't have any say. So it's done. I want you, Kate. That's it. I mean, and we're talking about so. So there's a lot of hope now. Less stuff. But I think the descriptive tells us in a soft voice. You know, instead of right away, Ray, instead of the instead of the fast track and the soft voice, turn things around, turn out, it might not be immediately and you might get your hits. Well, you know, but but those are principles that we need to live by, be morally conscious and also social concerns.

Well, let's talk about the elephant, the room that is that, you know, Sunday's the most segregated day of the week. And the Martin Luther King, I believe, communal that a. And here we are, what, 50, 60 years later. And it's no different. Now, there are some churches out there to try to make a difference. We're trying to make a difference as a men's organization, but we've still got ways to go. And we just trust that God to continue do it. But, folks, if if you're listening to the program and like I challenge the men back in February, when was the last time you had dinner with the person of a different color than you were? Mm hmm. I was speaking to the whole room. And when was the last time you had lunch with someone of a different color? And then when it was last time you socialized with someone that looked different than you. And I ask you as a listener, the same question. Because it's only going to change when the body of Christ changes and when the body of Christ says it's OK to be segregated, OK to run to different churches and say, OK, not to socialize. Guess what? What do you think Satan's going to do with the world?

Not just for the record.

Roy had a dispute with some Thai food before I tell you how his legs. How does my go. Oh, yeah.

See, I'm a man who believes you don't talk unless you've experienced it. Absolutely. Absolutely.

In these times, you know, the whole spectrum of what we see, it it has to come back to how do we as believers communicate the message to the individuals so that we can we can start talking.

And, you know, last night I think I shared off the air last night over at Mt. Zion, they had a Zoome meeting and one of the members from the Christian Fellowship Group sent a love of electronic flier to me. And so I listened from seven o'clock to almost eight forty five. And they had a judge on there. They had an attorney on there. They had a state representative on there. They had an individual who was an activist for African-American rights. I mean, in the couple two or three pastors, Mark Walker was on there, representative from North Carolina. And so all these individuals own here. And of course, when when Bishop, who was over there at Mt. Zion, he went pulling no punches, were in reference to the questions. And there was individuals and I could see their face. They felt uncomfortable. And when he before he went on, that's what he said. He said this this forum that we have tonight is not to make you comfortable, is to make you uncomfortable here.

And when you step out of your comfort zone is when you say, now I'm able to go out and have have an empathetic heart and be able to go out with a a newfound understanding that I got wisdom of God to go out to, say, individuals less.

Let's start this. Let's start the dialog at this level. And we just believe, God, that it's going to you know, it's it's going to fly, you know, that's what that's why I love the scriptures.

The Scriptures. They don't point out a nationality reason, you know. I mean, you know, there's some some some issues where they they do for specific reasons. But like for France's Paul and Papa, this was a black guy, you know. You know, a lot of descriptors don't like that, you know, because there's no need.

And until people start seeing people for people without you know, it's you know, it's not like a black man. It's white like me. But this is what we see. You know me. So we see what we see in front of us. Like, I point it over in Asia. You get the same issues that goes on here with two Asian groups. You have the same issue in Russia. Two Caucasian groups. You know, you have it in Africa to hate each other. And so this is a people's heartening. So until we get to the. Place where we can change people's heart. And like what you're doing with your broadcasts. This is changing people's heart because the what the Bible says, the word of God will not turn into and void. Exactly right. So it's going to compress what is set out to do. We need to believe that and just do what we don't want. Right. And it's an individual we touch in one person at a time. You know, and we may not. And we and we know we are. Bible believes we know. Then it ain't going. You're not me. It's gonna be here all the way here the way long as we put ourself to touch somebody, someone and get some more information to change their way of thinking. And that's all we can do. One water with one planet. But God get the increase. That's right. That's right. I a lot of where the Bible is real, you know. And you know what racism is in the scripture. A lot of people look at Jonah in the belly and a whale as the storyline. Jonah was prejudice just hated them for. Yes. He was not. People say, you know, Jonah was safe. He was already doing the work of the Lord. But he didn't want to go ministered to dumb folks.

He knew of late night. Exactly. So he knew what potentially was going to happen to him. I don't think any of us would have been wanting to do it the way they treat those people. Exactly.

And you know, Roy, what you were saying on last week's show, in reference to why we don't see and hear about all the abortions, says take going on in the world. All all of the, you know, make white on white type of crime. And that's because it doesn't sail. Yeah.

See, we we are and we are in this society that it needs to sail. So what sails is when you have race versus race.

Yeah. And that's a good point, Wolf. We're closing out it. And with that, you need to take with a grain of salt. Not everything you read, see or hear is 100 percent accurate. Right. Unless you've done the research behind it. And we'll talk about that next. Couple of pictures that I was served with earlier that the guy gave me the backdrop. So, hey, if you're listen to the show, we always want to have the opportunity to set your father as your personal savior. Jesus Christ died for you. Oh, you've got Dusit. Might be innocent. SD Scindia Heart father sent the son to be your savior. And if you have done that in one place with fellowship or worship. Contact us. We'll get you connected if you're done in the church. God bless you. Don't let another day pass because tomorrow may not come in.

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