Knucklehead: Tim Walz bombs, Vance dominates in VP debate

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Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone.

So glad you're here. Brian Killmead Show. This hour we're going to be joined by Brett Baer. Later on, Rich Lowry. Fresh off debate day.

A lot going on. Middle East in flames. That's obvious. Major strike on our ports. That's clear.

The hurricane, more damaging than anyone could imagine. That's obvious. And we're just looking at an election more intriguing than anything I can imagine.

So it's going to be really exciting. It's going to be fun. I cannot wait to get your calls and get your take on, especially what happened last night: 1-866-408-7669.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. Yeah, you're seeing that their lack of leadership when disaster hits. What you saw with President Trump is he immediately took a leadership role because it's who he is. That wasn't Biden making that phone call.

That wasn't Harris making that phone call. That was President Donald Trump. And that's the guy that went to Georgia, asked Elon Musk to move Starlink so communication could start, especially in North Carolina, was just hammered by Hurricane Helena dropping the ball. The administration heads to the beach and the campaign trail instead of blitzing in aid to victims of Hurricane Helene and goes missing as dock workers strike for the first time in decades, bringing shipping to its knees. VP Harris, if this is your addition to be president, you are failing.

Number two. Iran made a big mistake tonight, and it will pay for it. We will stand by the rule we established. Whoever attacks us, we will attack them. Israel absorbs the biggest missile attack in their history, courtesy of Iran, and almost all the 180 rockets blocked.

An attack back in Iran is promised. When they do it, will there be an entire West? They'll be doing it for the entire West and for the Iranian people who hate the Ayatollah and want their freedom. That is why the rest of the Middle East is not condemning Israel. What should our role be?

I have an opinion. I want yours. Number one. You actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?

Now, look, my community knows who I am. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times. Really? That's your answer? VP debate.

Civil, unbalanced, but truly beneficial for J.D. Vance, which is why Kamala is asking again for another Trump debate. Not likely, as the campaign announces it's going back to Butler on Saturday. We'll have the highlights. We'll be live there for One Nation 2.

That'll be Saturday night at 9 o'clock. It'll be up by then. But think about the guts to go back to the exact place where you almost lost your life, really within an inch of losing your life. I'm going back, and I'm still going to win the election. And there was an assassination attempt in between.

So let's go to Brett Baer, who co-anchored our coverage last night. Brett, the conventional wisdom, if you look at all the headlines, is that Vance prevailed last night, but I love the tone. I love the tone. It's, I don't hate the guy next to me. What is he actually saying?

Let me try to expound on that. While also knowing that the major figures were the ones they're going to bat for, they're actually not going to bat for themselves. They're going to bat for the top of the ticket, Harris and Trump. What was your take? Yeah, I agree with you.

I think the tone was great. It was harkened back to the 2012 Romney Obama. debate and kind of You know, ripping each other on policy and a couple of digs here and there, but uh overall that sense of common ground and we can get through this together as a country.

So I agree with you. I like that. I do think that J D Vance is well prepared, well ready and smoother, just able to bob and weave over an environment that, you know, a couple of times He instead of just saying, Senator Vance, would you like to respond? They said, Senator Vance, you can respond to that, but answer this question or answer this question, you know, and it never seemed to go the other way.

So I thought that if you're going to say we're not going to fact check real time and then, you know. kind of sort of do it. I didn't love that whole back and forth. But I thought the debate overall for J.D. Vance was a strong performance.

I think so, too. The weak moment for Waltz is when he was asked about his record. You know, for the longest time, Brett, I thought the reason why Waltz is not out there is because he can't talk about policies before Harris did. And then when Harris chooses not to get into detail on how she flip-flopped on so many substantial issues, he'd be put in a compromised position. But listen to this exchange.

I feel differently now, cut one. You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989. But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?

Now, look, my community knows who I am. They saw where I was at. Look, I will be the first to tell you. I have poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was: can you explain the discrepancy? All I said on this was: I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

So I will just. That's what I've said. Wow. He didn't pre-think that. Come on, Brett.

I mean, the thing he could also know is the thing about his military record. When he did the co-hi the co-anchored interview with Dana Bash, he had no answer on the embellishing of his record either.

So, and the guns carrying weapons of war into the weapons I carried into war? He had no answer on that. I mean, it's not hard to come up with something. You could say I made a mistake, but you could say I've been to China 19 times. I have a perspective that I think needs to be brought out.

And there was unrest when I got there after Tiananmen Square, so it's easy to understand how I could blend both of them. You know, something. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like the Dan Abash interview. I mean, when he was asked about his record and the whole allegation of stolen valor, I mean, up until then, you hadn't done an interview.

I mean, you had to know that that was going to be something that was in the news, it was all over the place, and there were multiple examples of it. And he didn't have an answer. Last night, he did not have an answer for that. And sometimes I'm a knucklehead doesn't really cut it. Listen, he had some good moments.

He came into, as I said last night on the air. He kind of hit his stride talking about that series of questions on abortion, where he told personal stories of women who. Had abortions in restricted states and kind of got his wind behind his sales, but he was nervous at the beginning, and then that exchange. Really just didn't deliver, and he should have had an answer. You know, there have been multiple reports now of him saying that.

A number of times, like on radio interviews, on T V interviews, on newspaper interviews, that he was in Tiananmen Square for the protests. You know, if you're going to talk about a historic moment, you know, I was at the 86 Masters when Jack Nicholas won. I tell you, I was there. But it's I wasn't down there a month before. and then talked about being there.

Right. Were you there though? I was there. Oh, you were? You were in 10th grade.

You were probably in 10th grade. Were you? No, I was a junior. Wasn't I a junior in high school? I don't know.

I was in high school. And I followed Jack from 15 all the way to the clubhouse. Right. And how old was he? 38 at the time?

Uh he was forty-six. Oh, he was forty-six.

Okay, that is extraordinary. Yeah, so that was pretty amazing. That was the one last one that put it out of Tiger's reach. But just going back to this, please don't get me distracted again. My point is: historical moments remember.

You remember that. You can't just say, well, I didn't actually get to the menu. If the story was you didn't actually get to the masters, but you watched it at a bar close to the masters, that's a problem. Right. Yes.

Here's the moment you talked about because you do these things. You moderate these debates. And you have these issues. You must be thinking to yourself, too.

Sometimes these candidates are in front of you and they mischaracter and their questions off. Their answer is off, and you wonder, should I just go? Listen, that's not the way it happened. How do you handle that?

Well, I think it's a it's a judgment call, but for the most part uh I think the moderator shouldn't be part of the story. And I think that the onus is on the candidates to fact-check each other. If you want to go down a road and say that's just not true, XYZ, use your time that way, or take your time and use it the other way. If it's egregious, Then you can say something or redirect or ask another question. thought sometimes there was a another question to JD Vance, but not another question to Tim Walsh.

Sans, the China thing, which she did follow up on.

Alright, here it is, Cup 14.

Well look, what the President has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.

So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

Okay, we uh really? That I don't think he was arguing that fact. I mean, I don't think he was. And by the way, the overwhelming consensus among scientists, do we really want to get into that debate?

So, okay. Go down there. Right. The dinosaurs couldn't be reached for comet.

So we've got to talk about this. What's man-made, what isn't? You want to get into that? What's so interesting is that whole DEI conversation, much more relevant, much more embracing for Democrats in 2020 and 2016.

Now, people want no part. I mean, going into climate change and the new Green Deal, that's almost radioactive to Democrats now. But my feeling is they haven't changed their mind on it, which is why the squad is so quiet. And because I believe that they know that if she gets in, it's back to the new Green Deal, which she coaches. Which is the whole thing about the evolution from twenty nineteen policies when she ran for President, was talking as a candidate, to now where she is.

And not talking fully about that evolution and how she gets there is part of the problem because that's the feeling is that she's kind of this empty vessel that is now trying to be more moderate at least publicly and then if she gets in goes back to the 2019 Kamala Harris I could sit there the whole yeah and talk about what do you think the chances are one to ten ten being yes one being no of Trump doing another interv doing another debate For the longest time, I thought it was like an eight or a nine. And I just thought that the seventy million figure, the fact that he's done so many of them, that that would be what drives the day. Having talked to his people and hearing him talk about it, I think I'm more down to a three. I mean, I I don't think he is anxious Uh to do another back and forth. Um you know, he's not doing the CBS 60 Minutes.

The campaign says he he didn't agree to it to begin with. Um that's that air is, I guess, Monday night. Um and he you know, I think he's going to continue to campaign, continue to do public things and press conferences and maybe town halls, but I don't sense now a thought that he's going to engage in another debate.

So I said it's interesting because with 60 minutes I thought they made an offer to both camps. You're saying that the Trump team has already turned it down? They have. They've turned it down. CBS is characterizing that they pulled out.

The Trump team is saying they never fully agreed to it. But Sixty Minutes tries to do ahead of an election a big sit-down, half the show with one candidate, half the show with the other. And They were having him with Scott Pelley and Uh Kamala Harris. Sits down and I guess has already done it, and it airs Monday. He did not do it, but apparently did not agree to it from the beginning, so they say.

All right. I just wanted to catch you on Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu, in response to the 180 rockets fired from Iran into Israel yesterday, cut 30. Iran made a big mistake tonight, and it will pay for it. We will stand by the rule we established.

Whoever attacks us, we will attack them. So people are expected they're going to hit him. And I don't know anybody who thinks they're not, but they've already shown they're not waiting for our permission.

So they're going to look for oil wells, for nuclear sites or weapons depots. When do you think this will happen? They don't usually wait a long time either. What are you expecting? I mean, I think it happens fairly quickly.

I mean, if I had to guess. And I I just wonder whether going after the nuclear sites is something that That Israel is going to do now. I think that. You know, they do feel some wind in their sails. I mean, they've had a hell of a couple of weeks.

starting with the Pagers and then the Walkie Talkies and then taking out Nisrallah. They happen to get the commander of the IRGC meeting with Nisrallah. They get before that, The Hamas guy inside Tehran that took months and months to plan. I mean, they've got some serious. wind behind their sales as far as taking out the threats that face them.

I just don't know if they're going to go after the big sites. Senator Graham Lindsey Graham says take out the oil fields, that's where the money is. Um It'll be something, but I bet it'll be targeted. I think it's going to be significant. They already showed what they're capable of and exceeded it.

Walter Russell Mead, Brett, said Benjamin Netanyahu had the best week in the history of politics. Went from protesting in the streets to blaming him for the death of the hostages to what he has pulled off in with Hezbollah. Uh I mean, do you do you do you have the same sense of what he's been able to do. Do you look at it the same way? Yeah, I do.

I mean, I listen, they have polls just like we have polls. and his polls have changed dramatically inside Israel. And we still has vulnerability, october seventh and the intelligence failures of that day, how things have trans Fired with Gaza and getting the hostages out. You know, there are a lot of hard feelings there, but he has. taken that and moved it on by protecting Israel from its biggest threats.

I mean, the Nesrallah thing was really a big deal, and that had to include a lot of Israeli intelligence to get exactly where he was. How much we knew the US knew ahead of these actions I'm not really sure. And uh that's also telling. I love your interview with Anthony Robbins. I did some of that with them and his producer on One Nation about child trafficking, but you gave it a lot of time.

I thought that was really great on Tuesday, I think it was, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It was Monday. We ran it Monday.

But it's. I tell you what, that's a movie worth seeing. And I. I think it's a really big issue. And one of the things that J.D.

Vance last night, by the way, really hit on a couple of times were the 320,000-plus kids who were missing. I mean, how is this not the major story? It's crazy. It's the most amazing thing. Right.

They talk about child separation six years ago, but they're not talking about right now 200,000 to 300,000 kids. We just don't know where they are. Brett Baer, we'll watch it tonight at 6 and all over the channel. Great job last night. We'll see you.

All right. Brett Beer, New York. Back in a moment. Covering this election year like no other, it's Brian Kilmead. The world of business moves fast.

Stay on top of it with the Fox Business Rundown. Listen to the Fox Business Rundown every Monday and Friday at Foxbusiness Podcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead. You can understand why the Democrats spent the entire week trying to lower expectations for walls.

The only problem is, for Democrats, they underperformed because the expectations should have been even lower than that. For any Republican or Independent who is concerned about dance, I actually think on the other side, it's so many Democrats tonight saying, why did Kamala Harris not pick Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania? Because I think that might have been a different debate. Dana's the best. Her perspective, instantaneous perspective is fantastic.

I heard that last night. And I watched the debate. One thing I I enjoyed that it was calm, right? I enjoyed that people were listening to each other. For example, I have to do an interview.

I do an interview. I have an idea. Of where I'm going, and all of a sudden someone says something, I have to change my question or my response because I'm listening. These guys weren't programmed. Cliff in Waterbury, Connecticut.

Hey, Cliff. Would you like to? Thanks for taking my call. Hey, listen, watching the debate, to me, the term presidential, you know, as you would describe it, as being calm, respective, dignified, you know, and even to the point where the question came up about the insurrection.

Okay, and the transfer of power. I think Vance and under his, if he were the leader, right, you would have more peace. and more acceptance with the election opposed to Trump. This guy just brings so much violence. My question to the Republicans: you know, if you had a choice, hypothetically speaking, would you have or prefer Vance to be your presidential candidate?

Or are you guys okay with Trump? Cliff, there's only one Trump. Trump can consolidate votes like nobody else, but the rest behind him aren't like him, for better or for worse. Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, that is the future of the party.

The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Killmead. He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election?

Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? That is a damning non-answer. It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further. But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy. The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment. Which is to challenge your elections.

Look, I think that J. D. Vance should have probably gone up to Trump and said, Listen, when they asked me about the twenty twenty election, I would just say my answer is going to be Joe Biden's president of the United States. We don't contend that. I'm not challenging that.

Where are we about 2024? That's it. Would you have certified last time? I'm not talking about last time. I wasn't even in the Senate last time.

I was a writer, author, doing podcasts about cat ladies. That's all I was talking about.

So don't worry about that. We already litigated that in prime time with an ABC producer co-hosted by Liz Cheney. I'm not spending my time here talking about 2020. Joe Biden's president, thankfully, not for too much longer. Rich Lowry joins us now at Air of National Review.

Rich, that was one of his stronger moments. But the governor looked like he, I liked his approach. I tell you, I did not miss the anger that's been present on all these debates. But he was uh he was outclassed last night. Do you feel the same way, Rich?

Totally. From beginning, not quite to end, because that he he had a good exchange there, but that that has more to do with Donald Trump than J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance just is in a real difficult spot whenever that's the topic.

But he deflected as deftly as he could and just was in control the whole night. I mean, he knows the substance, and when you know the substance, as you know, you feel confident. And when you feel confident, all sorts of good things happen. And when you're nervous, the way Tim Waltz was, all sorts of bad things happen. And he was halting out of the gate, had a near meltdown during that Tenement Square answer, and just looked nervous and sometimes sad when Vance was speaking, and there's a split screen.

Or he looked like the student in the back of the room furiously trying to keep up with a lecture he couldn't quite understand as he was making notes when J.D. Vance was speaking.

So I thought it was just terrible and one of the best performances we've seen in decades from J.D. Vance. Yeah, and this is where I think it's heading. For Donald Trump, he's disrupted everything. We're going to write books about him forever.

And that's for people that love him and hate him. They're writing nice.

Now, but there's nobody in the wings like him. I mean, it's going to be Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, and on the other side, there's going to be more traditional candidates, too. But because he's out there as a disruptor changing all the debate society approaches, we have forgotten what it was like in the past. And I think that this was a reminder of what it was like in the past. They actually were listening to each other.

Rich, you do this all the time when you do a column. If you want to interview someone, you got to hear what they're going to say, and then you decide what your question is. I actually heard Senator Senator Vance says, the way I understand your bill in Minnesota, maybe you could tell me something different, is there is no, there's nothing prohibited. You go right to the ninth month, unless you want to tell me different. He had no answer.

He goes, no, no, there is. But there isn't. But that that's what that's the give and take when you're not, you know, when you're doing these intellectual debates in in a competition. Yeah, the way I interpreted that was Vance could have body slammed Waltz on that, but he he didn't want to come off as as a jerk because that that obviously has been the attack on him for the last two or three months. He's a hateful jerk, and he totally put the lie to that last night.

But he got the point across in a way that didn't seem overly confrontational. And in terms of listening, I was very struck by J.D. Vance reacting in real time to the new information he had. And they've studied Tim Waltz a lot. They have a lot of oppo and Tim Waltz.

I know everything about him. But he didn't know, apparently, that Waltz's son had witnessed a school shooting. And so J.D. had a very human reaction. And sometimes you know this too.

You know, in a debate or on TV, it's a little hard to listen because you're thinking about what you're going to say and thinking about yourself. But that just showed just Just That was one of the moments that showed just great skills. The whole thing, I wouldn't change a word J.D. Vance said. I thought it was fantastic.

So, just to play a little for people that might have missed it last night, J.D. Vance on Harris proposed policies while in office. Harris and I, I thought he was just great making everyone understand that she has the job now. She can't be the party of change if she's in office with the second most powerful position in the world with a guy that says that she's qualified to do the job as good, if not better, than him. Right?

Cut eight. The most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics. She is the sitting vice president. If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.

So that's what Trump didn't do. You have the job. Do it. Don't worry about what I did. You know, I'll debate that all day.

But I'm telling you what you did. Unless you just want to come out and say, Joe Biden's a nice guy, but he wouldn't let me do anything. And then that's a different approach. But this approach is not working. It freezes her running me.

And then she just doesn't do anything except for podcasts with former NBA players. Yeah, so he kept on coming back to that point, JD, and that's such an important. Point to make. It's one of the points that the election hinges on. Is she an agent of change or not?

If she is, she has a pretty good chance of winning. If she's not, she's going to lose.

So they need to hammer away on that, and Trump didn't do it. And also, just this is one thing that struck me. The first two debates, Trump, the first two questions are about the economy. And Trump didn't say any specific thing about his economy that made it good, besides inflation being low and the stock market being up. But nothing, no detail that was persuasive.

He never even mentioned that real wages went up, which is kind of the main point. They went up under Trump and they stagnated under Biden, and J.D. got that in.

So I was like, oh, thank God.

So it was just very effective on all levels. Rich, the other thing that has been mischaracterized, you know, Trump's got weaknesses, obviously, but when it comes to the tax reform, the people that got the biggest tax, the person that saved the most in taxes were the middle class. I think it's 16%. They saved the most. But because he's a billionaire, they keep saying Donald Trump had tax reform for his.

Billionaire friends. And that's just not the case.

So I just wish somebody would stop down and go, listen, that's not the case. The corporate tax went down, not for billionaires, for people that work in corporations to make America more competitive, to inversion, to bring companies back. As far as individuals, the people with the greatest tax break were middle class.

Now, the only thing Governor Wallace could say is that's not true. And he'll say, it is true. And I welcome you all to look it up. But why does Kaylee McEnany have to say it on the outnumbered couch? But we can't get people to say it behind the podium.

Yeah, no, and and J.D. said it and, you know, also had a great moment with with when Margaret Brennan disgraced herself by fact-checking in a misleading way about Haitian migrants in Springfield, that yes, many of them are are illegal, but only because Biden has created this whole new pipeline to kind of launder in illegal immigrants th through through a uh a provisionally legal means. And and J.D. Vance was adding that context and she was condescending and bitter about it and they cut off his his mic.

So that again, that was extremely effective. When you when you've exposed the moderators, shown you know more than they do, and they have to shut you down, you've won. I agree. And they calmed down after that. And I noticed they didn't do much.

I don't know if that was I don't know if they could have done it in the break and say, guys, you got to calm down. You ended up like the ABC moderators who really paid the price for that.

So listen to this, cut twelve. Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify: there are many contributing factors to high housing costs. What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?

Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate. We'll put it up on social media actually that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration. But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do. And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes. But the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.

So she drilled down on that, and then the other one where he said you're just wrong. And then he put that up on his website. We used it this morning on the show.

So overall, the people at National Review felt what, Rich? 10 being perfect, one being terrible for Vance? I'm a 10. I don't know quite where my colleagues are. I'm sure they're all at least 8, 9, or 10.

But again, there's some policy differences I have. I'm not a fan of tariffs the way Trump and J.D. are. But that aside, in terms of just defending everything that they're trying to defend and presenting it in a winsome and persuasive way, it was an A-plus. It just doesn't get better.

He's highly skilled, as we've seen out in the campaign trail. He's been willing to take any questions from anyone pretty much at any time, and he was prepared. And then he effectively deployed all that on the stage, which it's not, you know, Waltz was clearly nervous. It's kind of human to be nervous, but you need to control that as a performer. J.D.

did, and it was just tremendous. He just knows nothing about foreign policy. At all, and didn't seem conversant with anything, didn't seem conversant of anything outside Minnesota. Yeah, exactly. If he felt stronger on Minnesota, because he knows it, but he doesn't know anything else.

You're absolutely right. Right, so I want you to hear what David Urban said on CNN. He's the GOP, representing GOP. He does a good job. I never met him.

But here's what his thought was, and it's probably yours too: Cut 16. What would Josh Opero done up there tonight? My friend Governor Josh Opero up on that stage with J.D. Vance, it would have been. World heavyweight slug fest between two really intellectual great candidates.

And I just wonder if the Harris people are thinking. Maybe we should have picked Josh Shapiro. Your thoughts? Yeah, I had exactly the same thought. And he would have at least held his own and maybe won.

He's a really talented guy as well. But for whatever reason, Harris didn't want him, perhaps in part because he's so talented and would potentially overshadow her. But she needs Pennsylvania.

So not to pick the guy who's more talented and the guy who maybe could deliver, you know, a key 10,000 votes to deliver the election to you is insane. And it looked even more insane after last night. All right. I want to talk to you about what's going to happen today. I think within 48 hours, if his previous pattern is any indicative of what he's going to do now, and that is Israel, Prime Minister Nenyao says, I'm hitting you back.

You made a huge mistake. They know where everything is. Iran, what is Iran thinking, knowing that these guys just took out Nasarallah in a bunker that they thought was impenetrable? They might have just killed Sinoar. They're trying to find out if these pictures show a dead Sinwar in Gaza.

They took out, they decapitated all of Hezbollah and then wounded, at least wounded or severely injured 3,000. in plus And you, and as well as taking the higher command in Abbas, now. After 180 rockets, they say we're going to hit you back. What's the Grand Ayatollah thinking right now? I I it must have been just a face-saving exercise.

Now look, firing a 180 ballistic missiles at a at a country is no small thing, but a lot of them are knocked down or they you know, they're indiscriminate and and you know they uh they're they're a tragic death, but but otherwise, you know, th they land in a garage somewhere and don't don't hurt anyone.

So what's the point, except for showing that you can in theory hit Israel. And unless Iran has something up their their sleeve, th they are at major risk of of losing Everything. The nuclear program, their oil infrastructure, the leadership, everything is potentially at risk, and we'll have to see what NetNode does. I know I don't want people to think I'm pro-World War, but Iran has been an enemy of America, killing Americans since 1979. Whether it's Iraq, whether it's the Marine barracks, they're trying to assassinate the former president before he becomes president.

They are infiltrating our elections already, it's been proven. We've had the Justice Department speak out. What role? Rich Lowry, would an effective President play. And this point.

Knowing that they've already, through their militias, killed three of our people in Syria just months ago in the spring. What should we be doing right now? This seems to be an historic window of opportunity and vulnerability. Yeah, as my colleague Noah Rothman put it the other day, eventually you should take the side that you're on, right? These people hate us.

They're our enemies. They have American blood on their hands, and Israel is neutralizing them in the most effective counterterrorism operation we've ever seen, probably in world history. And the Biden administration is telling them not, or straining them, or worried about the escalation. It's insane. It's insane.

And they need to destroy everything they can, all the infrastructure of Hezbollah, and then think about, you know, I don't know what's plausible with Iran. You talk to people that say Israel alone hitting the nuclear program or taking out the nuclear program is too hard. Maybe it is, but you're right. This is a window where they have the enemy back on their heels and should take every advantage of it they can. The Russians can provide missile defense around their nuclear sites because this is a reciprocal relationship they're in right now, forming a modern-day Axis powers.

If we wait too much longer, they'll have a nuclear weapon. We'll change everything. Everything. And now, if you could hurt their weapons manufacturing, that would help. The war in Ukraine because they're making the drones and the rockets that help the Russians stop reeling, let's say.

So I mean the ripple effects of an effective action right now are really enticing. Yeah, and the ripple effects if Iran ever got a bomb. Because the deterrence then would not just be you can't hit us, Iran. Israel would have to think about what they just did against Hezbollah. They'd have to think if we hit Hezbollah that hard, will Iran nuke us?

So it changes the entire calculation, and it's just an intolerable risk if ever Iran gets a bomb. All right, Rich. Always great to talk to you. You have a lot to write about. Rich Larry, thanks so much.

Listen, there's two other things going on that the administration could say they're sitting on their hands. That is the strike that has stopped all commerce on the East Coast, the dock strike that's happening right now, 36 ports in America. The other is the hurricane. Horrible hurricane. Can't stop it.

Forget about climate change tonight. It's called hurricane season. But they're slow to help the people that need it most in an area that's hard to get to. You don't take the weekend off and go to your beach house, in my view. What about yours?

Back with your calls next. Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it.

You're with Brian Kilmead. A substantive civil debate, despite months of Rather vicious and nasty attacks between Senator Vance and Governor Walls tonight were largely. Kind and agreeable with each other. They often talked about finding common ground. They obviously held.

Their toughest criticisms for the folks at the top of the ticket. Jay Tapper, who's been very good this election cycle, I know he hates Trump, but at least he's given him a fair shot, and he just started his review there. I don't know how you guys feel. How about this? Elon Musk, what an ally.

Trump shows up, starts a GoFundMe page, says these people need help, and I'm not going to abandon you. He shows up in Georgia Monday for that because he couldn't get into North Carolina. He goes, I'm going to ask Elon to send the people of Helene who have suffered from Hurricane Helene Starlink so they can communicate.

So Elon Musk comes out and says, since the hurricane disaster, SpaceX has sent as many Starlink terminals as possible to help areas in need. Earlier, Donald Trump alerted me to additional people who need Starlink internet in North Carolina with sending them terminals right away. It's good. It's great. I mean, you could get a lot of money from George Soros, or you can get somebody who does a lot of great things like Elon Musk.

He's on board. John in Georgia. Hey, John. Hey, good morning. Yeah, I just wanted to comment on what's happened in North Carolina.

A lot of people don't realize this. It's not just Asheville, but the towns north of Asheville have been decimated. I know firsthand accounts. My ex-wife's actually up there now. John, could you rattle up some of the names of those towns?

Yes, Burnsville, North Carolina, Spruce Pines, that whole area is decimated. People are still missing. The governor has done absolutely nothing at this point. The Red Cross is there, but National Guard is still not there. They have no food, no running water, no help, no bridges, no roads, everything washed away.

So Yeah, that's pretty much what's happening there, and they've had no help up until this point. And like you said, I mean, the president's on the beach. It's just really disappointing, especially from the governor's standpoint. I mean, that's what the constituents put them in there for. Yeah, you got the Democratic governor over there who's trying to hold off his lieutenant governor who's trying to get something done, who's got some controversial in his background.

But both sides need North Carolina, plus, they're Americans. And this is a crisis. That's when you put everything down, you just get it done. You can't tell me he's getting it done. John, that's really disturbing.

But thank you. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmead. Thanks so much for being here, everybody. It's the Brian Killmeat Show.

This is how it's going to be great. We're doing a similar cast with Stuart Barney on FBN. You'll finally get to see what I look like. Adam Bowler, founder and CEO of Rubicon Founders, and he's an entrepreneurial healthcare investment guy. But most of all, he played a key role in the Abraham Accords.

He really knows the Middle East. Former Taliban negotiator, talking about the Doha Agreement, former Trump senior administration official.

So Adam Bowler on what's going on right now because the Middle East is on fire. Mary Catherine Hamm standing by. I cannot wait to get her perspective on what took place last night and what could be taking place today. There's a lot of intriguing things going on.

So let's get to the big three right here in 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan.

Now with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. You're seeing that their lack of leadership when disaster hits. What you saw with President Trump is he immediately took a leadership role because it's who he is. That wasn't Biden making that phone call.

That wasn't Harris. making that phone call. That was President Donald Trump. He's not lying. Senator Mullen isn't.

Dropping the ball, the administration heads to the beach over the weekend and the campaign trail for the vice president instead of blitzing in aid to the victims of Hurricane Helene and goes missing as dock workers strike for the first time in decades, bringing shipping to its knees up and down the East Coast. Vice President Harris, this is your audition. Step up. Where are you? Number two.

and it will pay for it. We will stand by the rule we established. Whoever attacks us, we will attack them. Benjamin Netyahu, through an interpreter addressing his people last night, Israel absorbed the biggest missile attack in their history, courtesy of Iran, and almost all of the 180 rockets blocked. An attack back in Iran is promised.

What will that look like? When do they do it? What role should we play as we find out? President Biden has not talked to Netanyahu in months. Number one.

You actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?

Now, look, my community knows who I am. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times. Yeah. Surprising. Vice President debate.

Civil unbalanced, but truly beneficial for J.D. Vance, which is why Kamala is asking again for another Trump debate. Not likely, though, as the campaign announces it's going back to Butler. We have the highlights and the lowlights. Mary Catherine Hamm, I know, was a great night.

I mean, you got the intrigue of war in the Middle East and the worry, but you got the strikes going on right now. You got people desperately trying to get aid in North Carolina, not enough. And. To get your perspective, we know you're now a columnist for Outkick and host of the podcast Getting Hammered. Mary, welcome.

Oh, thank you so much. It was nice to have them on stage last night as all of this stuff is unfolding, right? North Carolina's underwater. Unclear exactly how many assets they have to help them there because things are really, really in dire straits. We've got Iran attacking Israel.

We've got the dock strike, which would negatively affect the entire economy. And the reason it's nice to have them on stage is because Waltz and Harris will not answer questions otherwise.

So having a debate planned is the only way to ask them questions pretty much.

So it's nice to have their perspective. And the first question they started with about Iran and Israel, Waltz seemed... Not in control. He seemed rattled. He seemed a little petrified to be on scare on stage, frankly.

And I think that carried out throughout the debate as Vance, on the other hand, looked extremely calm and in control. And frankly, like the opposite of how media has painted him throughout this campaign. I mean, amazing. Number one, they never talked about the strike. I know you have to make decisions, but I mean, we're going into healthcare, like Obamacare was a hot issue.

I worry they keep on going back to Obamacare and January 6th. I know healthcare always matters, but it just isn't the top five right now in any poll. You know, abortion, I expected it, January 6th, because it's agenda-driven. But my takeaway, too, is that J.D. Vance really benefited.

From Battling for that Senate seat, not only in the general, but in the primary, and then going on all these shows. They said he's been done over 100 interviews.

So when you go on that stage, all of a sudden it's muscle memory, and you know exactly what the Sunday shows don't like about your campaign or you, and Margaret Brennan specifically.

So I felt as though all that worked for him. Yes, I think you're right. I think Democrats suffer sometimes by their kid glove treatment in the media because not only did Tim Waltz not have practice answering tough questions, and Vance did, but the expectations for Waltz were high because they had painted him as this incredibly great, likable speaker. And then he gets on stage and he looks like kind of medium panicked the whole time and is very halting. And Vance, on the other hand, is smooth, transitions easily, pivots questions without looking like he's pivoting questions.

I mean, it's a good, good look. And then he also, as you note, he knows exactly what Brennan's going to throw at him because he sat down with Brennan before. He knows how hostile they're going to be. And he has practiced taking those shots while being very cool under fire. And he's even able to fact check them in the moment in ways that are, you know, right and not wrong fact checks.

Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. They did fa uh fact check, but the thing is, Margaret Brennan does this throwaway line all the time. She'll say, whatever you say, and she'll say, Well, that's not true, but we have to move on. What do you talk about?

Well, excuse me? What did you say?

Well, that's not the case, but we'll move. I know you always say that, but it never turns out right. Oh, what? Excuse me?

So it's like the worst person to argue with. We moved on or they left the room. You know, whoa, you got the last word because you had the mic up. Here's a little of the exchange with, I think, JD Vance doing pretty well, cut five.

So, what Tim Waltz is doing, and I and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.

So, he disarms him by saying, I agree with you, but it's Harris's the problem.

So you got a tough job, Tim. You're doing the best you can. I think it's a great tactic. There are a couple moments like that where he just concedes a point a bit or is kind about something which can really work in a debate there was a moment also on a tough issue for republicans when he's talking about abortion he says look i think we need to earn people's trust back And that's just something you can concede and sound like a human, which is not how politicians sound all the time. And it makes people feel good.

Another thing he did that was great is when he was asked a kind of a psychotic question about the hurricane, because what they asked is not about the hurricane, because they do not care. That hundreds of people are dead and have not yet been recovered or buried, and that. Thousands of people are still in trouble being rescued as we speak. What they care about is climate change and like some fantasy carbon tax that you might pass at some point.

So they pivot. Moderators pivot this hurricane question about this true devastation to climate change and their political issue. And he brings it back to the people. And he says, you know, we need assets on the ground who are helping folks. This is going to be a huge recovery effort.

And I thought that was a light touch and an important way to connect with people because. thinking like the moderators do is not normal. It's normal to think, how are we going to save people? And then he pivoted also again, as he was smart to do several times last night, to energy policy, because energy policy drives costs, drives inflation, and people in Pennsylvania want to hear about it. By the way, there's a pause right now on LG, leases.

I say this every day. And yesterday he said that right now, there's a moratorium. And Governor Wallace goes, No, there isn't. No, there is.

So right now, and by the way, Joe Biden did, and Speaker Johnson told me that he walked in there and says, dude, do yourself a favor. You got an election coming up. Lift the paws. On liquid gas leases, natural gas. Europe needs it.

Japan needs it. Our allies need it. Norway needs it. Lithuania needs it.

So do it. And he said, and Trump, Biden turned around and says, no, no, we're thinking about doing it. He goes, no, Mr. President, you did it. Governor Shapiro has asked about it.

He says, I don't mind a pause, but it's got to be lifted quickly. But if you want to hear what you're talking about with climate change, so we have this devastating hurricane during hurricane season in North Carolina. Here's Nora O'Donnell. Yeah, CUP 14.

Well, look, what the President has said is that if the Democrats, in particular, Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.

So clearly, Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

Really? Just let me throw that in there.

So I don't know, we're going to go back and we're going to take the Earth's temperature hundreds of years ago. Here we go again. It's not conventional wisdom. The scientists that want the global warming wanted have found their way, but other people push back on that.

Well and I'll So, for voters, what does matter is how do you solve the problem without taking us back to the Stone Age with energy costs, right? That's what voters want to know about. They don't have the same concerns as Nora O'Donnell does, which is just nailing Republicans on their climate change rhetoric. They actually care about what's happening on the ground.

So, I think he addressed that well and really came out on top last night in a very Impressive way.

Now, whether VP debates matter for that, I don't know. This may be the last impression. In a giant televised arena that voters get of these campaigns? And if so, it's a very good impression that Trump Vance left. And then, you know, I don't think Trump's going to.

I asked everybody on and off the record in the Trump world, they don't think he's debating. I mean, he could get up one day and change his mind. Or if they find internals that show he's trailing and he's not moving, but I haven't seen polls that reflect that he's trailing. I mean, he was almost a few weeks ago thinking about walking away from Wisconsin, and now they're within a point. Michigan, he was up one.

Pennsylvania, likely voters, he's down two. But among registered voters, he's even.

So Georgia, Arizona, he's up. Nevada, he's up one.

So if he's up one, he could be down one. But it's all so close. Why would you go back into something where you can never count on moderators to turn on you? They're not going to agree to a Fox debate. Yeah, I'm kind of with you strategically.

It's probably wise for him not to, partly because I think what's going to work for him now is on the ground efforts because this is so close. Doing a giant scattershot T V event that may or may not go your way is probably not as helpful as focused campaigning and focused get out the vote. I think those are the probably the things that work better for him in those swing states, which is the thing that Hillary Clinton famously forgot to do. In places like Wisconsin.

So, strategically, I think probably better to do that. Kamala will continue to troll him about it, but I'm not sure that that's so effective because he can say, I did two debates. Remember the one where I got rid of your entire candidate and then I did a debate with you.

So, I did the thing. Right. She's got away with all this. We have no idea about her policy. She's got some statements, some things on our website, but she's never clarified why she changed the positions on anything.

And I'm always curious how the squad has been so quiet. Instead of saying, I am worried we nominated a moderate, they are seeming to be smiling like a Cheshire cat. Like we're just trying to get her elected, then I'll take it from here. And lastly, there's two events going on. This strike, they did nothing to prevent it.

There was no hustle to the end. That's going to shelve almost all commerce on the eastern seaboard. And on top of that, this devastating hurricane. The governor the Democratic governor, I just took a call. Evidently, it's four or five towns.

They haven't even been addressed. The Red Cross is there, but nobody else. And we find out the President during the time in which he was needed most was at the beach. And the Vice President was campaigning.

So do you think that matters, Mary Catherine? I think it does. I mean, hurricane politics can always be complicated. And the most important thing is that people get help and that it it looks like that you have some idea of what assets you have and what has been sent. There are places in Western North Carolina and East Tennessee that h were isolated pre-storm, but are so isolated at this point that they're using airlifts and mules to get Supplies in okay, so you have a contrast where uh Ron DeSantis is sort of like default president down in Florida, he knows exactly what he has, he's great at disaster prep, he's an incredible leader on this front in particular, and he knows exactly what he can send to North Carolina to help.

He knows exactly what they're going to do when they get there, and that will actually help people on the ground.

So, that can that contrast, I think. Can be really bad for Biden and Harris. I know that Biden is cooked. I know that Biden is not really the president because he can't even do things that would be. Politically helpful to him.

Like he's just checked out. And one of the things that would be politically helpful to him is: one, act like you're on the phone and in a command center during a hurricane issue in a swing state. And another would be, yeah, if dock workers are going to strike and take out a lot of the everyday kitchen table economy of the entire country for a while right before an election, you might want to look like you're scrambling to get your allies to not do that. And he can't even muster that. I just would have trying.

That's the same thing with the border. If she tried policies, it didn't work, debate them. That would help that debate. But when you don't show up in three and a half years, ignore it, deny it, and then to act like you were engaged with it. It's an insult to the voter.

I hope we have higher standards than that. It's going to be an interesting three weeks. Mary, Catherine, and Hamm. Thanks so much. We'll forward to checking you out on Outkick and checking out your podcast, Getting Hammered.

Thanks. Thank you. All right, we come back. I see you out there in Pennsylvania. I see you out there in Gillette, Wyoming, in New York City.

Brian Kilmeicho, your calls next: 1-866-408-7669. Expanding your knowledge base. It's the Brian Kill Meat Show. Radio that makes you think this is the Brian Kill Me Show. And the thing that really stood out to me was that Tim Walls did not seem prepared for it.

He didn't respond to a lot of the criticisms and attacks that Vance put on the table. He allowed some clear falsehoods to just go completely unanswered. He allowed J.D. Vance essentially to dodge on a whole host of issues, on climate change, on the issue of his flip-flopping on Donald Trump. Coach Walls, your boy, fumble bigly on Tannaman Square.

I mean, he was talking about riding the bike in Nebraska and the summers, and he went on and on and on. And he should have just said, look. I misspoke. I screwed up. I'm a human.

Instead, he looked, he lied about that, and people reminded him of his lies about in his time in uniform. I agree with you. There were the Tiananmen Square. Answer would have been best delivered in Chinese for as understandable as it wasn't. That was a great line.

And it was so true. You just be prepared for it. Tom Cotton told me in the break today on Fox and Friends: He said, If I did something like that, and I'll just paraphrase what he said. He said, Yeah, I was there, you know, it was 30 years ago, but I was there right afterwards, and I saw sort of the tumult that was still existing, and I saw the crackdown that took place.

So it kind of in my mind blended together. It should have been more precise. But let me just tell you what I learned. I learned that the Chinese government was on the rise and they should be feared, and they definitely had their focus on supplanting us. And then you go that direction, as opposed to I say knucklehead thing sometimes.

Donnie in Gillette, Wyoming. Hey, Donnie. Hey, how's it going? Who's on your mind? Hey, I just wanna know.

Like, I'm just a small town, you know, middle-aged guy. But when the moderator asks him, How he can explain how the migrants are adding to the housing shortage. I don't know why he can't just come back with a simple answer instead of saying, Well, I'll put a study up after the show. There doesn't need to be a study. 25 million unwanted people in three years will add to an already existing housing shortage.

So I don't know why he's got to come up with a fancy answer. Just say, I'll play it again, Donnie, because he explained it once and she didn't understand it. She goes, I don't understand that. He goes, well, put the study up. It's a Fed, a member of the Fed is the one who came up with this calculation.

I put it more on her for not understanding it and making him re-explain it. Tony, but good point. And you're more than the small town people matter more. We'll probably decide this election. Tony, WABC.

Real quick. Listen, Brian, great, great debate. One of the things that I wanted to hear that I heard was how real a person J.D. Vance was. For instance, when they asked him, why were you against President Trump?

and they repeated what he said, he used it as a segue because I was told things that weren't true. And a lot of people come around. Trump doesn't hold grudges. That's pretty obvious. Breaking news, unique opinions.

Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. With every passing moment The regime is bringing you the noble Persian people. Closer to the abyss. The vast majority of Iranians know their regime doesn't care a whit about them. When Iran is finally free, And that moment will come a lot sooner than people think.

Everything will be different. That is the Prime Minister talking directly to the Iranian people, but he's doing it in English. I'm sure it'll transfer. I think Trump did that a lot too, because we know the Iranian people are inherently really upset with their leadership. All the money goes to terror organizations, not in the infrastructure of the country.

This is an educated society who is being misled by an autocratic regime that could care less about their people. They're on some mission just to destroy Israel and maybe destroy themselves. Adam Bowler joins us now, founder and CEO of Rubicon, Founders, and Entrepreneurial Healthcare Investment. Adam was one of the Abraham Accords negotiators, former Taliban negotiator, too, worked during the Trump years. Adam, welcome back.

This seems to me to an historic opportunity. Perilous, yes, but an opportunity to take out. Our top Middle East nemesis since 1979. Should we do it? 100%, Brian.

One, it's good to be on the show, but two, I think you're exactly right. Never before has the game changed so much. And it changed once we killed Nasrallah. And so when Nezrallah, the head of Hezbollah, was killed in his bunker. Forty feet under the ground, which obviously is kind of a feat not only of military intelligence, but also of military might.

It opened up the board, and I think Israel is going to run it. They will respond. They said it. They said that you made a huge mistake. What do you think they in the first hit on them after the first strike, Trump famously said, take the win.

And he held them back. But they sent a message with their strike: we can hit you. We know where your nuclear program is. How did you interpret it? I interpreted exactly how you did, which is at any time we can do what we want.

And it's interesting because. Israel's major failure intelligence wise, clearly was on October 7th. And why is that possible? Israel is super sophisticated. You see how sophisticated they are because they went really low-tech, Hamas did.

And they're a neighbor. And because Israel had thought that they had them placated. It was a huge tactical mistake by Israel. But what Israel has been planning for years and running scenarios is. How to attack Hezbollah, because they always knew they would have to remove them, and how to get rid of the nuclear facilities in Iran.

Now you're going to see them run plays that they've rehearsed a lot. The longer we wait, in my view, the Russians in trying to pay back Iran for bailing them out in this Ukraine war with their drones and with their rockets, they're going to say, hey, I need that SR three missile defense system. And if they start getting missile defense around their nuclear sites or around their country, game over.

So this is a window in so many respects. And I don't think the Pres the new President wants this fight, but he has no choice. For years he told Hespo and Hamas, We got your back, do our fighting.

Now they're getting blown up and they're looking to Iran to say, okay, now do some fighting for us. And that's what we got yesterday. And very few of those rockets hit. And now Israel is prepared to strike, which could be a fatal blow. It's amazing.

Every time I ran strikes, Everyone says a lot of people say, oh, oh, actually, they did that intentionally. Remember when we killed their number two, right? They sent a rocket, it wounded some American servicemen, but it was meant, you know, it was intentionally not meant. Their first attack on Israel, et cetera, intentionally not meant. The problem here.

If these things aren't actually that intentional, Iran just doesn't have that sophisticated of an Air Force or a missile store. Having a lot of missiles is not the same thing as having good missiles. And Iran just doesn't have the muscle. And they've been hiding it for a while, like a bully does, making threats, sounding bad, having others carry out attacks. The problem for them now is they're naked and no they're naked and no one's protecting them because Hezbollah is gone.

So you wrote a column, number one, prior to this with some General McCaffrey, Dennis Ross. And Jerry Sonnenfeld about this is time to tighten the screws on Iran. 80% of their revenue comes from oil. We're letting them trade oil on the open market. We're concerned about the price of oil going up if we strangle them.

But it's time to say enough with that, start clamping down. But what can we do if China and Russia, which they're not, and North Korea don't want to go along with this? I mean, look, what you can do is you tighten sanctions, and then if you really want to tighten things, you just interdict ships. And so we have the ability to interdict ships that are coming or leaving Iran. We don't do that today.

And so if you're going to put sanctions down, one, Put them down to the fullest. And to enforce those sanctions in a way where ships don't get in and out of Iran, that's how you choke and that's how you weaken it. And I think the United States' role in this right now should be two things. It should be fully supporting our ally, Israel, as they go to take out these nuclear facilities by any means necessary. And the second thing, it should be choking out economically.

Because what you said in the beginning, Brian, is so true. The people of Iran They don't want to be in this situation. I'm sure you've seen before in late seventies the pictures of Iranian women, pictures of that are not in this situation in a place where you have a dictator. And the Iranian people, quite frankly, will do the rest. We have three guys that were killed.

Three of our service members were killed in Syria. We never avenge that. They shell our bases regularly through their militias. And the Houthi rebels, who they fully finance and arm, are targeting our ships in the Red Sea. That is enough for us to take action, let alone being the chief ally of Israel.

And you've seen the maps of our military assets in the region. Adam, you also know what we're capable of and what Israel is showing the world what they're capable of.

So what do you expect to have? I know what you want to happen. But what do you expect to happen in the next few days? The sites they talk about as refineries, oil sites, as well as weapons depots, and possibly nuclear sites. Where do you think they'll head?

And what should we be doing? I think the most so I think the most important thing here will be the nuclear side of things. I don't think I mean, the other things are strategic things, that's fine. And honestly, like I'd sure as hell like them to get the Ayatollah too. That's not that important in my view, because all of that changes.

They make the right moves here and we choke out economically. You have a situation where there will be regime change, not because of us, because the Iranians will recognize that, I mean, basically, this guy's the wizard of us. Right? Really, he's kind of behind, he's behind the organ, and there's a big projected picture of the Ayatollah, but there's nothing there.

So, they have a Wizard of Oz. And what happens when you realize that there's a little guy behind the thing that doesn't have power? You take him out. We don't need to even do that. They will once that's revealed.

So, I think the biggest thing, and we really, really need to support Israel on this nuclear stuff. We've got great intelligence, we've got fighter pods, we've got bombs there. It is for the world, and really, not even, we're not talking about Jewish, Muslim, American. I mean, I will tell you: every country that I work with on the Abraham Accords, every single Muslim country wants. Iran not to have nuclear weapons.

So we are doing a favor for the region, for the world, for Israel, for Americans.

So this is not a Jewish, you know, this is as bipartisan and as world-uniting thing that you can get as we've got to collaborate.

So I'd like to see American missiles going with Israeli missiles taking out the nuclear side. They'll take out strategic sites too, but the nuclear side is what matters here.

So Adam Bowler is here. Adam, what do you say to people listening right now saying, well, we did this with Iraq, we get rid of Saddam Hussein, we got one less enemy in the world, and it was much harder than we thought. What do you say to people who say this is the same playbook? What I would say on this is the key on things like this is when we make a regime change and we stay and we prop, it's problematic. It was problematic in Iraq.

It was problematic when we stayed in Afghanistan. I mean, you had the, what's the name from Afghanistan? Ghani, right? I met Ghani a number of times through this. I mean, a nice academic guy, but the reality was hugely unpopular in Afghanistan.

And we propped. That's the truth. It's why the Taliban were able to rise, et cetera.

So in this case, that's why I said I in some ways care less. on what we do with the Ayatollah or what happens there, because I think that's an Iranian issue to some extent, or what happens with government. We'll see what happens. I care a lot, and we should all care about the nuclear side of things.

So that's different. That's different than regime change. I believe that will happen once the Iranian people see it's a wizard of Oz. We don't need to affect that. What we need to do is take that nuclear power away.

Adam, if Trump wants you to go back with him, would you go back with the administration if he wins? I am always supportive of the Trump administration.

So I'll say that. I'm always supportive, even if I can't immediately go in.

Well, put it this way: the Middle East will be the focus right away, and you got that expertise. And he does say that we're going to go back and start isolating Iran right away, and you would know how to do that. But let's see what's left of Iran by the time that happens because the Israelis are pretty focused. Adam Bowl, thanks so much. Yeah, I'll tell you what, I think that Prime Minister Netanyahu is going to do a heck of a job in the next few days.

He looks to the tremendous risk, too, but he sees no choice. And if you were him, I think you'd make the same choice. Brian, kill me, Chung. Don't move.

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We're talking about the things that are right in the news. And we're going to start with the debate almost immediately.

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And just go to BrianKillme.com. I could do that before, so let's listen in percent. As for the two-year, also on the upside, moving to 3.65%. 10.51, that means kill need time, and here he is. I want to get straight at it, Brian.

I think Vance won the debate, hands down. What say you? I do too. I think he got off. Waltz got off to a real bad start.

And I think that at the end, he looked good. I mean, the whole thing, it's an impossible. January 6th, you start bringing all that stuff up. For people that think that Donald Trump did nothing wrong, it's a tough thing to defend. And when you bring that up, you're strong.

And guess what? They gave it the last 10, 15 minutes of the entire debate. For Waltz, he looks like a guy that's been protected for the last six months. It's hurt him. Where the other guy is doing four Sunday shows sometimes at once.

Almost every interview he sits down with is contentious. And think about this, Stuart. To get the nomination, he had to go through a gauntlet to become the next senator from Republican Representative from Ohio. Then he had to take on Tim Ryan. A so-called moderate from Ohio, this guy has been debating in contentious situations really for four years.

So you go out there and Margaret Brennan is attacking him, fact-checked by Nora O'Donnell. You got Governor Waltz over here talking like, you know, making him seem like an extremist, and he just calmly redirected. He did, he did. And I thought it was really effective. I like the calm nature of it.

I like more the intellectual debate. I don't need to see the brawl. Yeah, advanced one. Look, ABC moderator Lindsay Davis compared Waltz's performance to Biden's debate disaster. Watch this again.

It kind of reminded me of the June 27th debate when Kamala Harris that night said of Joe Biden, it was a slow start but a strong finish. And that's how I felt that Tim Walz kind of did tonight. You know, to use Tim Walls' own words, I mean, a lot about this debate tonight was weird. There were uncomfortable, cringy moments. That's not a very nice thing to say.

Question, Brian. Did Walt's performance hurt Harris? Yes. Will it affect the election? A couple of things.

I was thinking about this this morning.

So George Bush 41 picked Dan Quayle, a nice guy, but he was constantly under attack the whole time. But it didn't matter. Bush 41, most experienced ever. When you have Sarah Palin, well, you're going to vote for McCain or not vote for McCain. He comes in the most experienced guy with a family rich with military history, great foreign policy knowledge.

When you have Kamala Harris, you got huge questions. You need someone established to run with you, a Lloyd Benson-like character to run with the caucus. You know, somebody that's been around, that's got international experience, has gotten a name with the economy. He's got none of that.

So both of these candidates have experts around them that say, whatever you do, don't talk to the press. Only read the speeches. Did you see Governor Waltz, when asked about a hurricane or an attack, will literally look at an aide. and walk the other way.

So, and then the problem with Waltz, I started realizing, too, is his own background. The embellishment on awards he won for the Chamber of Commerce that never happened. He had a DUI. He was guilty. He said it wasn't a DUI.

It was a misunderstanding. And I followed the guy back to the police station. Not true. I was there at Tannaman Square. You saw that last night.

That's an issue. You were a head coach or an assistant coach. Which one was it?

So when you go sit down with Governor Waltz embellishing his military service, you might spend the whole time going, okay, what is, I'm just looking at your resume. Can you just tell me what's true here?

So there's a huge problem. There's nobody doing what J.D. Vance is doing for Trump. And that is taking on old commerce. Is it going to affect?

Does it change the momentum in the election towards Trump?

Well, Stuart, we look at the same polls, the ones that came out the other day. One point, Wisconsin, one point, Michigan, dead heat in Pennsylvania, one point up in Nevada.

Now, all of a sudden, someone's looking at the ticket and they say, well, I don't really know anything about Harris and what she's going to do different. She won't really talk to us. And she'll talk to two NBA players about a pot roast. But and the Vice President's done a half an interview. And he did not do good at the debate.

I don't think I can take the risk. After all, the Middle East is on fire. The East Coast, all the ports are shut down on the East Coast. Inflation is stubborn, and I'm not too sure that we've come out of it because my wages are stuck.

So I'm going to go with the guy, at least with the track record, with the very impressive vice president.

So I just think that that could be the 1%, 2%. It helps Trump. Got it. Brian Kilmead, good stuff. Thanks very much indeed, Brian.

You guys are still ahead. Brian, who listening Clarion, Pennsylvania. Hey, Brian. Hey. What hey.

What a great show. As far as the debate goes, Anyone who tells America that they're a knucklehead, let's not make them vice president. You know, but what I wanted to tell you, Brian, your guest earlier mentioned that they're using mules and airlifts to supplied aid and rescue. What people might not know is I think Biden is planning a flyover, and the FAA has restricted airspace, and they're actually threatening the helicopter pilots who are normal citizens volunteering their time and their equipment. Are you kidding?

No, I heard it reported. And they're threatening them with criminal action. These are helicopter pilots who bring their equipment there. They fly over. They see people in need of rescue.

And now the authorities, it's been reported, are threatening them with action.

Meanwhile, bumbling Biden complains about all the obstacles that the feds have with providing emergency rescue, and now he's making it worse. Uh listen. He tried to phone it in. He wanted to be a lame duck that had his feelings hurt. The reports a couple of days ago were he's so upset that Kamala Harris never mentions him or his policies on the stump because she wants to turn the page.

She's so upset, he's upset that he's never really asked his advice, never asked to be helped.

So he goes to the beach and says, You're going to kick me out, I'm done. But someone's got to run America. And they have to run the strike. He said, I'm going to stay out of it. His commerce secretary says, I'm not going to get involved.

His transportation secretary ends up being a stand in for JD Vance in rehearsals for the debate. I mean, this is just terrible decisions. Bad for the country.

So, you don't even have a guy engaged. And when he gets engaged, because he's so embarrassed and hurting his vice president. He's there as window dressing. But we need real action and real leadership.

Some type of decision. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian And Killmead. Hi, everyone.

Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show. And there is so much going on today, but every story is as substantial as the next, let alone the aftermath of the debate. This hour we've been joined by Tom Carrico, Senior Fellow at the International Security Program and Director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Why? Because 8,000 rockets have come from Lebanon into Israel.

Why? Because Iran sent 180 to 210 into Israel yesterday and also expect to return fire today. Governor Chris Sununu has seen it all with his family, with your brother who was in government for a while, your dad, chief of staff, former governor, chief of staff for George Bush 41, and of course you, a multi-term. You have two years, right?

So how many terms did you actually serve as governor? I'm finishing my fourth term, so eight years total. Right, eight years, which, by the way, can you change that? You should not have to run every two years. No, no, it's really good.

It's really a governor. It stinks as a governor. It has to run every two years. But in New Hampshire, if you're doing your job, you can keep it. And if not, we're going to fire you.

But don't you always have to be raising money? You know, it's funny. I did just the opposite. I never raised a penny until about six months before I was going to get elected. That way, there's no politics in what you're getting done.

You get more done. You run on the success.

So it worked. All right. So I know you had all types of knowledge. First off, on the debate last night, your first impression. J.D.

did phenomenal. Better than your thought. Oh, better than, not just better in terms of his understanding of policies, but the whole approach, the feel, the vibe. All these liberals were watching this. It was a vibe.

It was a vibe, man. It's a vibe. But he had a good vibe. He was cordial, but he was knowledgeable. He had more of a kind of a conversation with him.

He listened to Waltz's answers and then used his answers against him.

So I thought it was just very, very well crafted, very well done. He did his homework. He clearly won the debate.

Now, the good question is, will it matter? Will it make a difference?

Now, I'm under the impression it will because everything's one or two points in these battleground states. I heard you saying that this morning. I think you are the one that is spot on. Everyone says, well, this doesn't matter. Guys, even if this matters a minuscule amount, that may determine the difference in Pennsylvania and decide who's president.

So, yes, it matters. Because he didn't say vote for J.D. Vance. I think he said vote for us and vote for Trump. And let me tell you what Trump did.

I'm a better spokesperson than he is, as you are probably for Trump, too. Here's a little of If You Missed Last Night, because it went on till 11:30, Cup 5.

So what Tim Waltz is doing, and I and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.

So you kind of loosened up. I said, I feel bad for you. It's brilliant. I feel bad for you. You're doing as best as you can, but I'm crushing you here, and we're going to win this thing.

So he was very polite in his kind of takedown of the policies. He didn't make it personal. You know, Tim's a nice guy. I know Governor Waltz, obviously. He's a nice person.

He is. He's a very nice person. He's smart. I mean, I'll pray that he says that. He's incredibly socialist.

He's incredibly progressive. And during COVID, he was incredibly weak. There's just no doubt about that. But he's a nice guy. I'll have a beer with the guy.

Right. That's about it.

Well, like his ideas, you know, the whole thing on the abortion debate, when J.D. Vance looked at him, he says, for what I can say, for I read the law, there is. No limits. There is no week. There is no time in which you cannot terminate the baby.

He goes, I put a woman in charge. He goes, until the ninth month, you can. And 2021, 2022, 2023, at least one each one of those years go to full term and the baby just dies. I hate explaining it like that, but if that's what he believes, that's scary. And he wouldn't say no to it, right?

He just kind of, Waltz wouldn't. He's just trying to dodge it. And that question, I also found it very interesting. That was where also, I mean, God bless JD, he didn't just win the debate against Tim Waltz. He won the debate.

He was one versus three. I mean, let's face it. The moderators, I don't think it was as bad as ABC, but it wasn't good. They were clearly, and on that issue, I don't think Margaret Brennan or Nora were very happy with the fact that Waltz wasn't clearly winning the day because that's the Democrats' big issue. And JD, I think, was, I don't want to say pivoting, but talking about the other issues around, you know, allowing women to have other choices and all this sort of thing, making sure that we message things better.

And at one point Point, I think Margaret Brennan, uh, Jim Waltz wanted to kind of uh have a response, and Margaret Brennan goes, Uh, Governor, please, as if to say, Please help the Democrats talking. He's like, Governor, please, it wasn't now. Governor Waltz, you can have a moment. It was, please help us.

So it was so obvious that it was J.D. versus three. But you do this too. You do what J.D. did.

You'll go anywhere. You know, if it's worth your time, you know, you got an audience. I have a message to get out, whether it's for Nikki Haley, Donald Trump, your party, and you'll go anywhere. And do you, in preparation for it, do you pre-think? Do you watch what they've done with other Republicans before you go on with Jake Tapper, before you go on with Margaret Brennan?

You know what I mean?

Sometimes you can see the disdain that they have. Buy your answer, and they'll make these throwaway lines at the end.

Well, that's not true, but we'll move on. I always have a sense of who I'm going on with because obviously I do a lot of press. But you brought it up about a half hour ago when you said, look, JD has constantly, since he decided to run for the Senate, has constantly kind of been in the arena, having tough discussions, having debates with all folks, whether it's here on Fox or on Newsmac or on CNN or MSNBC. He doesn't back away from anything. He's always willing to engage in a discussion because he believes he has a philosophy and he knows what he believes.

So, because of that, he's very well versed.

Now, I think he obviously, as in a vice presidential debate, you're going to do a lot of prep work, of course, but that just honed, if you will, really sharpened the point. Tim Waltz. They've been hiding him. They've been telling him, don't talk to press.

So he was. Does that surprise you? Because I watched him be a surrogate for Joe Biden, and he was very strong. And he was almost dismissed. What are you talking about, Joe Biden's losing?

This guy is the most successful president in his life. Really? Next thing you know, he's like, oh, yeah, Joe's out. I'd like to run with the other one. I'm like, excuse me.

There's been no explanation on that, but I never thought he'd be quiet. I thought he'd be like Vance. And we'd be saying, why can't Harris do as much as...

Well, it's different when the camera's all on you and Kamala, right?

So he's not just a surrogate. He's literally on the ticket. That brings a whole different level of pressure. And again, it does take time. I don't care how good you are.

You got to warm up. You got to spend your time with the press. Do the interviews. This is where Kamala has come, her team has completely failed her, if I may, because they don't let her talk to people. They don't let her, you know, stretch her interview chops, if you will.

She's not very good on the stump. And she, you know, when she did that, let's look at the Oprah interview. That should have been the biggest liberal layup you've ever. Had. If Kamala Harris can't knock it out of the park sitting with Oprah, of all people, then they know they're in real trouble.

So they cloister them, they kind of crowd them in. And they did the same thing to Tim and then said, Oh, and by the way, now we're going to shine a light right on you. And it's a hard thing to do as a I don't think you and I have a hard time in front of people. You know why? Because I'm interested in what I'm talking about and I'll study it.

And if I, if you out-talk me to debate me, all right.

Okay, you know that, you know the economy better. But if you had to have me speak for an hour in landscaping, if you had to talk to me about the future of high-tech, you know, social media, what's these new apps, we explain them in detail, I'll memorize it, but I'm an inch deep. And as soon as you ask me a question, I'd fall apart. It doesn't matter if I have composure, I don't know it. When Harris speaks, she probably knows the law.

But when she speaks on policy, I have a sense sometimes that she goes to the cliff on words, and I have a sense that there might be a chance that she might not ever talk again. Because she gets to the end and her hands want the words to come out, but there's nothing there. There's nothing there. Why is the inflation so high? Inflation?

It's costing everyone a lot. Prices? Prices are high. They are too high. And we We'll tackle it.

So far, you've wasted a minute of my time. You've never said anything. You must know, I mean, every politician has weaknesses, but her weaknesses are foreign policy, domestic policy, everything probably exceptional. I'm sorry, there's strengths here? Like, where's the strength?

That's why everyone said there's no way she should be the number two, let alone be the eventual number one. Look back at the great Kamala Harris bills that she passed as a senator.

Okay, I got some time. There we go. Like, that didn't happen. Right? There's crickets when you talk about that.

Let's not forget, two months ago, she was the most unpopular vice president in history. Not by accident. Not by accident because she did nothing.

So the honeymoon is clearly over. The shine is clearly off. And I think the next 30 to 35 days are going to be very problematic for all the obvious reasons that we know today. This port strike is serious. It's only going to get worse.

This administration has said we don't want to touch it. But that is going to ultimately affect every American family on the issue that is crushing America the most, which is inflation internationally. Again, nobody thinks Biden has a great grasp of what's happening with Israel or even Ukraine. And let's not forget, by the way, I know it's not top of issue. They didn't even ask about China last night.

You know, the China-Taiwan situation is as bad as it has ever been right now when we're taking our eye off the ball? Did Nikki Haley tell you that? Because he just went over to Taiwan. And she says she couldn't believe the stress they're under. No, I saw this morning.

We didn't talk, but I saw, I talked, I was with the Japanese, the Japanese ambassador to the U.S. about two weeks ago, and we got into this. He said, please tell anyone that will listen, pay attention to what's happening in Taiwan. China is making as aggressive motions over there as they've ever done before. You know, they used to have 70% of their economy come from mainland China.

It's down to 10%.

So they've pivoted. They have a draft going on, I guess. They're constantly doing exercises.

So what they've asked us is missile defense and weaponry, and we've been unable to deliver. I haven't gotten an update in three months, but unable to deliver. They pay. Show them the invoice. They have the money.

They pay. And we can't get it to them because we're so stretched with Ukraine. That's right. Israel. And our military-industrial complex has shrunk.

When your dad was the chief of staff of Bush 41, we had a navy, we had the strength in the waters. They had a great idea. They said, let's thought. And Bill Clinton, maybe sincerely, no one doubts his intellect. He said, let's.

Shrink it down and stop the competition, and we'll get more efficient. What happened is it's so small, we're not able to fulfill the orders. And when these little guys come in, they get enveloped. They say, Okay, sell your technology to the big guys so we could do some business. And let's face it, 25 years ago, I don't think anyone thought China was going to move the way they did, as aggressively they did on their military, especially with the Navy.

So, no, those types of international issues are very real. And then don't forget the hurricane. I mean, something else, you're talking about Georgia, North Carolina could come down to 10,000, 20,000 votes either way. You have a lot of people that are displaced. I mean, I don't know which way this is going to play, but you have people that are displaced.

Are they going to be back in their homes by the time of the election? Is the power going to be back on? You're going to have folks out there, and I think FEMA's actually handled it okay, some good, some bad. But you're going to have folks out there like, look, why did it take three weeks for my power to get back on? Are they going to be angry at the administration?

Hurricane hit Thursday. Do you know, President, we should have learned our lesson by now. Every leader, when a catastrophe happens, put that windbreaker on and show up. He put that windbreaker on and literally went in the opposite direction, went back to Delaware. He went to the beach, he didn't care.

So things come out and we all know that. And again, even if you were on, I talked to some folks. My son is on a military base in eastern North Carolina. Everyone's talking about what happened. They all have family, they all have connections to what happened in western North Carolina.

So when they hear the president didn't show up, when they hear that he was afraid of the governor didn't show up. Oh, is that true? I don't know. The governor's been invisible.

So I haven't seen Cooper on TV basically at all. I saw Kemp. Kemp's been out there quite a bit. Absolutely. How smart was it for Trump to show up, say, I'm going to move Starlink over?

Elon Musk tweets out I did it. And then he sets up a GoFundMe, and the numbers are flowing in: 20,000 from Kid Rock, 800,000 from Ackerman, 500,000 from Senator Kelly Loeffler.

So he's starting a GoFundMe page. He's asking Starlink to redirect over these rural people in the mountains in North Carolina. It's a great movement. It's sincere. It's sincere.

And even if it only has a minimal political impact, that could be enough to ensure that he wins those kinds of states. When he showed up in Palestine. Did I say that right? Yeah, Palestine. In Palestine, Ohio.

That was the beginning of his turnaround from January 6th, 11th. Presidential. And he just showed he cared. He talked to people. You know what I love?

A couple weeks ago, I don't know if people remember, Trump did a he visited a kid in a hospital. Did you see this? You know, it was so engaging. It was so, it was real. If he could do one of those a day, something that touches people on a personal level from here to November, I think he's got this thing.

But he's got to show that re-engagement. It's very easy to do. The rallies and stuff are fine, but find one thing a day just to show a bit of humanism. Maybe I always believe he's, I think you've seen the Trump private, the former president privately. He's very funny.

He's funny. The self-deprecation stuff can be hilarious.

Now, when the cameras go on, he doesn't like to do that, but there's a humanism in that. And if he can just tap into that just a little bit, the folks in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, it would be very appreciated and I think rewarded. Let's take a time out because I want you to weigh in on what Israel should do next. I think you're 100% right, but I also think they're trying to kill him on a daily basis. I think it's shaking him.

I don't think he's nervous. I think he's almost fatalistic. Like, I think it's going to happen again.

So that also keeps people away, but doesn't keep kids with cancer away. Sure. Back in a moment. Here are the ins and outs of the 2024 election round. Right here, the Brian Kill Me Show.

The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. To break Iran in this moment. Don't. And what's the message to Iran?

Don't boot. Don't Don't to any country any organization, anyone thinking of taking advantage of this situation. I have one word, don't. Don't. So that's pathetic.

And that was totally ignored by the Iranians. Governor Krisanunu is in our studio today.

So that is the foreign policy, and the foreign policy has been ignored. It's on fire right now. It's asking for permission. Oh, my gosh. And, you know, we were just talking a little bit.

You know, when you talk about foreign policy, it's the President, it's the Secretary of State, it's the Secretary at the UN really driving that. Congress can get involved to a certain extent with funding and all that, but at the end of the day, the policies driven by the administration have been a disaster. There's no question about that. If your policy is don't, you just sound like an overbearing parent, and you're effectively, I think, daring somebody to challenge you in that. And they were, and they were.

And Iran said, we just did.

So now it's going to be escalated because, again, we say we support Israel, which we absolutely should. We're not, I don't think, showing the right instilling the right fear in our enemies. They don't fear. They don't fear. Right now, Iran clearly didn't fear that situation of sending 180 ballistic missiles to our ally.

They were not afraid to do that.

So that's the problem. And that's where Trump, for all of his good and bad, he instills fear in our enemies and he instills confidence in our allies. And that's exactly what you want with foreign policy. You know, it's been said. I was in, I was too young for then, but they said that Kissinger, Nixon used to tell Kissinger, say, I'm the crazy guy that wants to do crazy things.

He'd say, I can't keep him down. And you never know what he's going to do, I'm telling you. And it worked to their advantage because Kissinger was the intellect pleading with a foreign leader. Don't make, don't let me unleash him on you. I can't control him.

And there was probably a little bit of that with Pompeo, right? Nikki, even a little at the UN, and then and Trump, because Trump could be a little bit unpredictable, as we all know, but there's a value in that when you're talking about foreign policy. Yeah, so there's a couple of things going on right now. They're trying to kill the president, the former president. They have they're trying to bomb our our ships and shut down the waterways, the Houthi rebels.

They killed three of our guys. Having said that, seeing that Israel took out Hania, Nasarella, and they might have killed Sinwar already, wiped out everybody around him. They should. Are you in support of our outward support of a takedown or beheading of the Iranian government? At this point, I don't want to say it's inevitable, but we're getting there, right?

So there's going to be a retaliation, there's going to be a response, and it's well deserved. And I think you brought it up earlier. It's probably to the nuclear sites. It could be to the oil. I'd rather see it to the nuclear sites because I think.

The oil evidently is isolated and unguarded, so you could just destroy it. That's an easy one, but that's a temporary economic pick in the knees, right? As opposed to taking out the nuclear sites, which are a long-term threat, not just to us and to Israel, but to the rest of the world.

So, yeah, here's Danny Dan, and he's the ambassador. By the way, the UN asking for a ceasefire.

Okay. Of course they are. Right. Of course they are. What's Davos?

Can we talk about what what's Davos in the World Economic Forum? What's John Kerry asking for? I mean, it it's just silliness. John Kerry's Secretary of State set this all up. I mean, he had no interest in relations.

Why how do Republicans have better relations with Israel? How did that flip? Because we're firm. When you're talking about international affairs, you can't be in this amorphous gray area of let's all hold hands but not really be committal. You've got to show commitment, both again to your allies and against your enemies.

You've got to show resolve. And that's exactly the switch that was flipped on January of 21. If your dad had to make a choice between me and you, me and you. You win 10 times. Times in 10 times he likes me.

My dad loves you. He said to me, he said, strong Republican message in there. You've got to be able to keep up with Brian at least for 10 minutes. But he is scary, right? But he's firm.

You ever bring a report card from the back guy? Governor Chris and thanks so much. Thank you, both. It's The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead.

An attack on this scale has not been seen. Since the blitz of London, 10 million people were forced into bomb shelters. Imagine the entire population of New York City in 10 minutes have to seek shelter. Children, babies, elderly. That's what happened in Israel.

The Islamic regime in Iran has now shown the world It's true faith. They are a terrorist state.

So here we go. That is Ambassador Danny Dannon talking yesterday in New York. We can update you on ground operations. IDF, it looks like seven soldiers got ambushed by Hezbollah over in Lebanon in their ground operation, which we understand is expanding. During the ambush, Hezbollah reportedly attacked the IDF soldiers with anti-tank missiles and forces on the ground.

It turns out, too, that Iran did cause some damage to Israel's Air Force bases.

So they were aiming there. Israel's army bases were damaged as a result of the Iranian attacks. The missile attacks in approximately 180 Israel's direction. The Iranian missiles did hit army bases. Did hit Army bases, Air Force bases, but there were no civilian soldiers or planes that were harmed, and the retribution will begin.

So, in right now is Tom Carrico, Senior Fellow with the International Security Program and Director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. From your perspective, you got to be maybe you got to be pretty proud of the way missile defense acted again. to knock down most of those missiles from Iran. Yes, exactly. Look, this is another very impressive day of shooting.

It is the second biggest event ever in terms of the overall attack, April fourteenth, of course, being the largest with like five hundred fifty objects total coming from different directions to Israel. one hundred eighty ballistic missiles, though. That's That's a new record for ballistic missiles all at once. It's a pretty robust effort. It is, I would say, April 14 was a miracle.

This is a miracle that no one was killed except for one person where a rocket body fell on him in Jordan. But it's pretty. Pretty astonishing that U.S. and Israeli missile defenses were mopping up to the extent that they were.

So you had Iron Dome, you had Sling, and you have Arrow. How do they work? I mean, how do they work in town? How do they know which one is best to knock down which missile? Yeah, so They've not said yet, but I would be doubtful that Iron Dome had a particular role here.

And the reason is these were longer-range ballistic missiles. They are going, you know, 1,300 kilometers plus. They're going outside the atmosphere in space.

So it was almost certainly Aero 3, which is outside the atmosphere, Aero 2, which is kind of in the atmosphere. It's possible David Sling was. Involved as well. And fundamentally, these things are going to be picked up. Probably by US and at minimum early warning satellites when you see them launch, when you see 180 rocket plumes.

You know, from space, it's a bright event. And then that develops a track that tells the ground-based radars: hey, look over here, something's incoming. And then they figure out when exactly to fire and from which angle come and kill it. And you've seen video online of lots of these kind of purple-looking plumes for things out in space and then others kind of in the atmosphere. But look, it's a complex system.

This is what the United States and Israel has been cooperating on for the past 40 years. just about forty years since the nineteen eighties. And on april fourteenth, again today, we saw it in action.

So Is it a human being?

So is it a human being saying, Okay, I got something on the radar, let it go? Or is it all automated with supervision, almost like autopilot? They can can sense when those sirens go off. That's almost like a signal to the automated system. Is this a human being doing this or is this a computer?

So for these things, again, it's going to be a little bit different than the Iron Dome, which is a little more automated. And the reason it's a little more automated is because the flight times are shorter. And so it's going to take A longer period of time for something to come all the way from Iran to Israel. And so, what that means is you have a human on the loop. Uh who Who's monitoring the system that on its own is going to develop what they call a fire control solution?

And if they authorize that, then at the appropriate milliseconds, that missile will launch and fly to the particular point in space that it needs to. But think of it as a human on the loop. As opposed to having to push the button when it needs to be pushed exactly.

So we think that the Russians have sold the Iranians some type of missile defense. Is it the SR three system? And do you think what do you how do you Well, how would you rate that? And how much of it do you need to be effective? Yeah, so here's the interesting thing: and I would just say at the outset, as a more point of caution, that we in the Israelis cannot afford to be sitting and playing catch indefinitely.

This is sucking up inventory, that's a problem. Um Having said that, I do believe there's a massive qualitative difference. between what the US and Israel has and what Iran h has. Um First of all, I suspect two things. One, I I suspect Is Israel's response to this will be different.

Than it was after April 14th, when at the behest of the Biden administration, they quote unquote took the win. They did one thing, however. They flew a drone in, killed a radar, an air defense radar, in Iran near one of their nuclear facilities to kind of just nudge them and poke them to say, hey, we can do this.

So I believe that the ability uh of Israel at minimum To get in there and penetrate the Iranian air defenses. I would say I'm not too worried about that. I think there's a massive qualitative difference. What about what's happening with the Houthi rebels and these drones going after our ships? They say a $100 drone is being stopped by a million-dollar rocket.

Yeah, that's it's a little bit of a hyperbole, but it is certainly a problem in terms of the their direct attacks on U. S. ships that's not getting enough attention. That's you know, that's a hostile act. And it's it's also pretty remarkable that the the US EU's destroyers in the Red Sea are defending themselves and acquitting themselves quite well in doing so.

That's a problem. Again, it's it's It's not something we can just sit and play catch. We're going to have to. And I said this in April. We talked about this after the April attacks.

that you have to bring the pain to the real decision makers so that they stop waking up and saying, yes, let's do this all over again. And that's what I am expecting, that there will be a different response. I think Israel is moving To a different posture. You're seeing that with Hezbollah. They're moving to a more aggressive posture.

That they're mad as heck and they're not going to take it anymore. Right. So they say that they've sent 8,000 rockets into Israel. That's what the Iron Dome has been doing, knocking them down. But then you also worry about the remnants, the shrapnel coming off the rockets, don't you?

And sometimes that could do some damage. Sure, but you'd rather have shrapnel fall in your house than a big rocket.

So that's all true. But I would say, nevertheless, the iron dome with thousands of intercepts is doing a pretty decent job of this stuff. But you're right, to just sit there and continue to do this for thousands on end. It's a problem. What about this hypersonics?

We hear the Houthis have a hypersonic rocket. Then we hear the Iranians used it. What challenge would they have being that you're a missile defense expert? And do you think that they were handled? Yes, I don't think the Houthis have anything of that class of threat.

Think of hypersonic things as just high speed maneuvering. They've been around for forever as a concept since the forties, since the beginning of the Missile Age. But as it turns out, it's hard to have sustained and controlled flight at super, super fast. Uh speeds. I'm skeptical that the Iranians have, let's just say, a high-end hypersonic threat either.

We do need to worry about that threat in spades from the Russians and the Chinese, but for For the time being, it's mostly the ballistic stuff. But you're absolutely right, that is something that is definitely on the radar, so to speak, of threats we got to get after by capability developments.

So how do you so Tom, knowing what Israel is capable of and knowing what how they're able to defend, what do you expect to happen? Uh in the next couple of days.

So I think that's no doubt being discussed between US and Israeli officials right now. I think the Israelis have proven themselves willing to be doing things without asking permission at this point in terms of really just cleaning house of Hezbollah leadership. Um, hard to speculate. I have to think that there's going to be some kind of response to Iran. This, I mean, how many times can they take these giant salvos from Iran to Israel and not respond?

And so I would expect things to spontaneously combust within Iran in different places.

So, Tom Carrico is with us now. He is a director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

So, Tom, do you think they'll hit the nuke sites? Judging by the bombs that they had and how they were able to kill Nazarella, I think 80,000 tons. Of weaponry, of bombs, bunker-busting bombs. What are your thoughts about this? If I was to put you into the Israel situation room.

Yeah, I think we'll see that presumably in the coming days and weeks. It is, after all, going to the anniversary of October 7 here in the coming week. But what does missile defense do for you? Fundamentally, it buys you time to respond in a time and manner of your choosing. And so that is what has given Israel the decision space to come up with what they want to do.

In the absence of that, if 180 re-entry vehicles had crashed into Israel, it would not have been given them that space. It's a little bit hard to speculate what that's going to be, but I like I said, I predict it will be something different than April 14th.

So let me ask you, the President of the United States has talked about setting up an iron dome at home. North Korea can now reportedly reach us. China obviously could do that. Is there a call and a feasibility to missile defense for America?

Well, there's certainly a number of very critical missile defense efforts going on. Probably not the quote-unquote Iron Dome system per se, but we of course have today an ICBM defense against let's just say the North Korean type threats. Up in Alaska and California. We're working on a much bigger and better interceptor for that. And there are some developmental programs for hypersonic defense, to your earlier question.

It's the cruise missile defense and air defense things in that vein that Ukraine faces on a weekly basis. It's the garden variety cruise missiles. We're a little short there, but there's some development programs for that as well. Is there any way we could pick up the pace in this development? Ukraine is begging for it.

We're talking about trying to use, trying to borrow missile defense systems from countries that aren't in danger. I never thought it would be this scarce if there was a profit in it. I thought America makes it. What's the problem? Yes.

Well, as it turns out, we didn't have the inventories and the capacity built up that we should have had. And this is why the White House, I don't know, a couple of months ago, announced that it was going to be suspending foreign military sales of all our Patriots. and all of our AMRAMs. to just about anybody globally except for Ukraine. To prioritize that.

And so, on one hand, you kind of think: well, that makes sense to keep them through. Air defense is the reason that Ukraine is still sovereign today. But it is a challenging proposition, and increasing the capacity. Of both offensive artillery rounds, Gimlers, and yes, the air defense systems. That is a super high priority.

But what we're finding is that it takes time to add an additional line, to crank up the pace. It's not something you just flip a light switch. And so we're recovering from our last couple of decades of post-Cold War euphoria and focus on counterterrorism. Listen, Tom, it's fascinating. You got the hottest product around and an expertise everyone needs.

Tom Carrigo, thanks so much. All right, always pleasure. All right, listen. Hey, I'm going to be on Outnumbered at the top of the hour. We come back, more to know, including the latest on Pete Rose.

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How about this? Pete Rose's cause of death is finally revealed on Tuesday. Coroner Melanie Roos determined that Rose died of natural causes stemming from hypertension and cardiovascular disease. Diabetes was also cited as a contributing factor. Rose died at his home in Las Vegas.

He was 83.

Now, debates about his career, the Hall of Fame, and his family fortune, and how it's going to be divided up, take over.

Next. Dana White donates $100,000 to Donald Trump's Hurricane Helene Fund. Kid Rock, $20,000. Bill Ackman, $100,000. Senator Kelly Loeffler, $500,000.

So they get millions of dollars to help out, to help out in North Carolina, in Georgia, and in Florida, places that were hit. Good job. President Trump on the money.

Next, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey still together despite an NFL game absences. Turns out, according to TMZ, Taylor and Travis remain a couple. Taylor was at Travis' first two games. This is all I think about, both in Kansas City, but she's been MIA since, including a game at SoFi Stadium. She was a staple at those games.

Taylor's going to go back on tour in a couple of weeks. She says he was just rehearsing. Travis' next game is October 7th at Monday Night Football. Do you think she's going to go, Pete? Because you, like me, are obsessed with this relationship.

Yeah, I mean, sports has changed. All I care about are what the wags are doing. Are the wags going to show up at a sporting event? What a wag. Girlfriends.

Oh, yes, that's what they use. That's what they call them. I have no idea.

Next, Daniel Day-Lewis ends his acting retirement for a movie directed by his son. The project was announced Tuesday by Focus Features in Plan B, who are partnering on Ananome. The film Ronan Day-Lewis director will debut will star his father along with Sean Bean and Samantha Morton. They say that Daniel Day-Lewis might be the best actor ever, but he's so emotional, he keeps retiring. Why don't we ever go through those types of emotions?

Why can't if that's a fear of mine to be the best and then want to retire? Yeah, you know, I actually was telling Eric, I'm going to retire in about five minutes and then I'll come out of retirement tomorrow. For the right reason. Yes. Next, the new California law extends consumer privacy protection to brainwave data gathered by implants of wearable devices.

Gavin Newsom over the weekend signed into law a bill amended, amending the California Protection Privacy Act to classify neutral data as protected personal information.

Now, Neuro rights. Foundation medical director called the California law an enormous victory. Quote: The essential privacy guardrails it ensures should only boost confidence in all varieties of these revolutionary neurotechnologies, the great majority of which are based in California. California is the second state to extend data protections to brainwaves. Protections of the California law include the right to know what brain data is being collected.

I think. As I told you, my AirPods are reading my mind. And this is proof of it. Uh and they know exactly what I'm thinking and it and it worries me. Could sell that information for a lot of money.

Or someone else could. my AirPods company, which might be Apple.

Next, Saturday Night Live cast members, according to fans, are the rank the top five ever. You ready for this? Number five, Phil Hartman was a cast member of SNL from 86 to 94. Gilda Radner, she opened up the show in 1975. She won an Emmy in 1978 for her work in SNL.

Tragically died of cancer. Chris Farley, number three, joined the cast in 1990. In retrospect, one might say that Farley took all the wrong lessons from SNL, but had comic energy, great athlete, a star in Second City, died way too early. Will Farrell, number two. I think that's appropriate.

He was diverse. He was different. Will Farrell was hired in 95, stayed on the show until 2002. He had great moments. He was, of course, George W.

Bush, a mean-spirited play. And Neil Diamond, after SNL Will Farrell, has gone out to star in comedies like old school Elf. Starring ELF, really? Anchor man and star. Star with that, James Kahn.

Oh, that's right. Elf. What am I thinking? I'm thinking ELF.

So he's number two. Do you know who number one is? I'm going to take a wild guess about Eddie Murphy. Yeah, Eddie Murphy, the strongest SNL performer ever, they said. Murphy became a memorable character like Gumby, Velvet Jones, Tyrone Green, Mr.

Robinson, Buckwheat, plus impressions of Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, James Brown, and a hot tub.

So I don't know if he was there the longest, but he certainly got a huge launch out of it. Only two years, but he was there, made a massive impact in those short years. Right. Brian Kilmicho. From the Fox News Podcasts Network, subscribe and listen to the Trey Gowdy Podcast, former federal prosecutor and four-term U.S.

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