Matt Walsh: Am I Racist?

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Republicans are Nazis. You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people. Growing up in the 90s I never thought much about race.

Sure you noticed but never really seemed to matter that much. At least not to me. Being a white straight cisgender man is the top of the pile. I'm on the top of the pile.

That's me. Am I racist? I would really appreciate it if you left. I'm trying to learn.

I'm on this journey. Can you please leave? What is racism? Martin Luther King said not to judge people by either. Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff. Is America inherently racist?

What the hell is that? The word inherent is challenging there. America is racist to its bones.

All of the so inherent. Yeah. The entire system has to burn and I'm not gonna even use save this country. This country is not worth saving. This country is a piece of shit. Right.

That is some of the sentiment we've seen over the last few years and it's driving us crazy. I've talked about it a lot when we talk about the war on history and guess what? Matt Walsh did a movie about it. You know he hosts the Matt Walsh Show but his new movie is out. It's now seven.

It was as high as four in the country. Am I a racist? And Matt in the beginning goes out as Matt Walsh and then he realizes he has to go a little bit undercover. Not like Borat undercover but a little bit undercover and go find out how racist we actually are. Matt welcome to the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hey thanks for having me.

I appreciate it. All right Matt first what prompted the idea to go out and do this? Well it was, you know we made a movie called What is a Woman about gender ideology. It came out a few years ago and you know after that film we knew we wanted to explore another kind of cultural topic through making a film. It was my first time making a film of What is a Woman and it seemed like race is the other kind of obviously big area of controversy in the culture and what's driving a lot of that controversy is the DEI is the anti so-called anti-racist people. These hustlers I would call them and so we decided we wanted to make a movie exploring that specifically these people and how they are driving this problem in America. Right so you want to go at first did you legitimately think that you were not well known enough to be Matt Walsh and go out into these woke circles and not be noticed or was that intentional to show a metamorphosis? Well we wanted to show the metamorphosis but also we did want to show that these people live in really a bubble. So you might think that well look I'll say on my side of it as a conservative I'm pretty well aware of the kind of liberal media personalities out there. They probably wouldn't be able to do to me what I did to some of them because even though I don't watch their stuff I'm aware of them because I want to know what they're talking about. There doesn't appear to be as much awareness on the other side because they're really in this bubble and for some of the people we talked to in the film Robin DiAngelo being one of them author of White Fragility you know kind of the godmother of this anti-racism stuff. I think for her when she was sitting in the room with me even though she didn't really know who I was it was probably the first time that she'd been in a room with someone that doesn't already agree with her about everything probably the first time in years that that's happened to her.

So for her it was like probably unthinkable that she would ever be in a room with someone who would in any way challenge her or try to expose her views. Here's a little of that interaction. Hi Robin. Hi and what's your name? I'm Matt. Matt, hi Matt.

Nice to meet you. I just had to ask who you are because you have to be careful. I'll never be too careful. Right what does she mean she wants to be careful you have to be careful. Well she needs to be careful but then but then she wasn't of course but it is interesting the fact that she said that to begin with like what do you need to be careful about I mean if you believe what you believe are confident yeah right if you believe what you believe if you're confident in what you believe then there's really no there's no secrets all I'm doing is asking you what you believe and so there's you know there's no reason to be nervous but it is funny that she was nervous and yet at the same time she still sat there actually it was a two hour exchange between the two of us uh in real time and she she sat for the whole thing I have to say.

Matt did she know who you were and that you were conservative and that you wanted to bat around her opinions? No she didn't know that she didn't know that well we tell everybody in the film we told them that we're making a documentary about anti-racism which we were you know that is what we were doing um now they might not have they might have assumed that that our opinion on anti-racism is is you know in favor of it right but uh you know that's that's what you get for making assumptions I guess. So you called up and you got her on because you just say hey I'm doing a movie about anti-racism is that how you got this in this circle of the therapy circle and then when you realize you had to go semi under under disguise and not to give away the whole movie but one thing you did is get people to weigh in on can we change the George Washington monument to the George Floyd monument as you know George Floyd died tragically but he was if you look at his resume he's a horrific American who tortured women and raped and you know you would think okay uh I have some standards but they were will people willing to do it?

They were and that was probably one of the most surprising things for me making the movie is I thought that well yeah we could probably go to DC and get people to agree to a petition to take George Washington's name off the monument unfortunately that's probably pretty easy to do but I thought this suggestion to turn into the George Floyd monument it's just it's so ridiculous that most people would know that it's a joke or if they thought it wasn't a joke they would be offended by it right but that wasn't our experience actually we we we had trouble finding people who wouldn't sign it we had to we had to extend the shoot for longer than we wanted to because we wanted to get at least somebody on camera not signing it. Isn't that depressing? Yeah I mean it's it's very depressing and I think it speaks to you know there's the the ideological indoctrination that a lot of people have fallen into but then also more than that it's the the way that people pave to social pressure even like pretty light social pressure which is what I was putting on them to sign the petition that wasn't forcing them or compelling them to do it but it's like a little bit of social pressure I think people are very susceptible to that which is one thing we discovered while making the film but it's also it's it's it's a little bit of social pressure I think people are very susceptible to that which is one thing we discovered while making the film and then these race hustlers they take advantage of that they take advantage of how easy it is frankly to manipulate a lot of people because people don't you know people are not they don't like confrontation they want to be polite they want to be friendly and that's a generally positive instinct I think even if it's not one that I often share. Or if you're a white guy you're a white person you're guilty you feel guilty.

There's that deep-seated guilt that they instill in people based on nothing like you didn't do anything wrong slavery was a horrible thing we haven't had slavery for 150 years there's no reason why anyone alive today should feel personally bad about it like as if you did it but they this is this is what they do and you know guilt is also a powerful weapon that you can use to manipulate people and that's another thing that we see you know you see come up in the film quite a bit. All right I want you to talk about first we're going to play a clip the Moana problem do you want to tell me anything about that before we hear it? Yeah well you'll see in the clip but the the Moana problem is well you know it is it's the it's the lose-lose scenario that the DEI people create where if you do what they say you're racist but if you do the opposite you're also right no matter what you end up being racist and this applies not just to adults but to but to children as well apparently.

Listen to this. My daughter's four years old I am an anti-racist educator quote unquote she's still watching Disney movies and she is choosing a white princess over princesses of color. Have you talked to her about that?

All of the time. My three-year-old daughter is very her favorite princess is Moana. Love it.

It's a good sign. Yeah. But then I also thought you know there's a little bit of cultural appropriation here she wants to be Moana for Halloween.

So how do we navigate that? Do I go and and and buy the Pacific Islander native attire for my white three-year-old? Um I wouldn't.

I wouldn't. But I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is is what on one hand is cultural appropriation on the other hand there's gravitating towards white characters. Right. So it's almost like no matter which way you go you end up back in racism. We think every space belongs to us because we live in a white supremacist society. Is America an inherently racist country? I think the word inherent is challenging there. If we say fundamentally fundamentally yes America is racist to its bones all of these. So inherently.

Yeah. America's racist to its bones and it's just people are making money off this school of thought. Uh they are and you know there's a couple interesting things you see in that clip and one of course is how this trickles all the way down to children and of course in the movie you laugh at it because it's absurd and laughing at absurdity makes sense but it's also pretty pretty horrific because you know I might be joking in that scene but she isn't and she's talking about how she uh how she you know imposes this on her own four-year-old. In fact in that conversation I even ask her it's not in the clip but I ask her what when's the best time to start talking to your kids about their racism and she says before they can talk. So when they're babies at infancy start telling your child that he's racist.

I mean this is what she actually believes and tells people to do and people listen to her. Matt Wallace talking about his movie that's out now and still can go you go go to the theater it is a great escape and also a reality check. So Matt your takeaway from we have trouble identifying what is a woman you won and went to town on that was extremely successful your takeaway now I'm starting to feel and I think I was talking to you in the in the in the gut filled green room about I think we're beginning to turn the corner we're starting to sober up the pandemic's over the George Floyd riots the um the crying on tv because you're not a black sportscaster instead you're a white sportscaster all that stuff is I feel as though we're coming out of it do I have a reason for this hope. I think you have a reason for it I mean I think we're the kind of general cultural insanity that we've been living in for so long I think it's uh it's it's not going to go away overnight and uh so the fight continues in a lot of ways but I do think that the same you know team sanity as I've come to call it uh because that's really talking about right and left it's really become just it's the same people versus the same people and team sanity has had some real wins in the last couple of years and some of it's legislative and political but a lot of it is it is just cultural like people are fed up with a lot of this nonsense and there was a kind of nonsense that that I think the average American maybe tended to go along with because of this instinct that I talked about earlier to be polite and nice and and you don't want to be confrontational but I think that is going away and a lot of it is it's just kind of an exhaustion people are tired of all of this and they're sick of it and uh and now they're they're finally speaking up I think I do I I absolutely think so I I also think uh I I just think that after a while people realize need to travel and see how great the country is it's a shame that these people are are taught to hate the country so much where uh we're on stolen land and we're a fundamentally or inherently racist society look no one denied segregation was terrible that Jim Crow was too awful uh the civil war was fought for a reason one of the main reason was slavery to get rid of slavery and everybody you can learn American history and still love the country because you see where we're at right now in many ways do you think an all in the family rolled out like that with different actors mocking racism which it was can can roll out today do you think we can roll that out in 2025 and people wouldn't be outraged I don't know if we're I don't know if we've made it that far yet I don't know if we've if we've reclaimed sanity quite to that point and part of the problem is that we still have the cultural institutions I mean the average American is one thing but uh we still have the cultural institutions that are still owned entirely by the left and are still pushing this stuff and they have a lot of power to do that and so the next step is to you got to reclaim these institutions that I mean these people that we're exposing in the film these are college professor professors academics you know uh these are people that are in powerful positions in institutions that shape the culture and so the next step is very much to to reclaim those institutions I think Matt Walsh congratulations on the movie uh keep it going it's still in theaters where do we find it yeah it's in theaters you can get it go to a theater near you go to mi racist.com and uh get your tickets go get it Matt congratulations thank you appreciate it from the Fox News Podcast Network I'm Ben Dominich Fox News contributor and editor of the transom.com daily newsletter and I'm inviting you to join a conversation every week it's the Ben Dominich Podcast subscribe and listen now by going to foxnewspodcasts.com listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus on Apple Podcast Amazon Amazon Music with your prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts