Can I tell you, I don't care. Let them do whatever. They still want to have open borders. If she picks Shapiro, she's going to lose the Palestinian vote.
Everybody has their liabilities. I think if she picked Shapiro, who happens to be Jewish, she loses her little Palestinian base because she has because they like me because they think I'm going to bring peace to the Middle East, even though I'm very strong for Israel. Israel loves me. But you know, a lot of the Arab states like me too, because you know what they want to see?
They want to see peace. So that was President Trump talking to Maria a short time ago. The president does want to know who he's up against, does not know the team yet. Karl Rove joins us, former deputy chief of staff for George W. Bush, Fox News contributor, best-selling author. Karl, so do you really think, do you think that Shapiro would be the most formidable for Harris? You know, he'd be formidable.
Yes, I think Kelly would be formidable as well in a different way. My sense is that the Harris campaign is narrowly focused on Pennsylvania. And while they, you know, while they realize that, you know, it's the biggest of the six battleground states. And while they know that there was a lot of evidence that a running mate only has marginal impact in a state, they're hoping that the marginal impact would be enough to move Pennsylvania into their column.
But the downside would be? Well, first of all, he's only been governor for a couple of years. There's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of buzz about him because he, you know, he's a very popular governor and is in a deeply divided state, which has got like a 61% favorable rating. And he's a more moderate traditional Democrat.
He's not a progressive. So look, vice presidential candidates come into focus with an intense focus when they're named. Because even if they're well known in their own state, they're not well known in the country. And how they handle that initial period of time has a big impact on their favorability and, in essence, reflects on the person who chose him.
It's the first presidential decision any candidate for president makes. And so, you know, there'll be a lot of attention on it. And how he handles himself in that initial stage will have an impact on how people view him, but more importantly, on how they view Harris.
That's true. Do you think that Andy Beshear is a head fake? Well, I think they like, I think they like talking about he and Cooper because it would indicate, look, you know, she's not a far left winger, despite her many statements and views, because she's considering two relatively moderate southern governors.
I think Andy Beshear was a reach. I mean, look, he's got an interesting record. Here's a guy who's run and won twice as governor in a deep red state.
But, you know, he does. He's not a Midwesterner. He's a border state governor. And this thing is going to be decided in three Sunbelt states, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, and more importantly, three Great Lakes, Midwestern states, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. So we'll see what happens in the next two days. The way I look at it, there's going to be a lot of momentum for the Democrats just by the calendar. The DNC will be momentum and picking a running mate is momentum. Getting a new candidate is momentum.
Getting away from a bad candidate is momentum. So you all, you came out and said they have to change the dialogue, get back on offense. I played your clip for Jason Miller. And here's what he said. Jason Miller's head of communications with Trump. Here's what he said. So I would disagree with his framing. I would very much encourage Carl to tune in and watch President Trump's rallies and also to tune in and pay attention to what President Trump is saying on social media, whether that's on true social or on different platforms that the campaign is communicating from. Kamala Harris is dangerously liberal. So it's a very clear message that's coming from the president, from J.D.
Vance, and from us. And I will drop a note or text message to Carl after this interview to make sure that I've not heard that clip exactly, to make sure that he knows exactly what we're doing. Well, I read the true social messages and I've watched the rally speeches and so forth. And look, they are doing, in my opinion, as I put in my column yesterday, they have a very effective ad on immigration. But you need to, you know, ads only go so far.
The low information voters who are still out there and the swing voters, the undecided voters, a relatively small group of them, less than 10 percent of the electorate. But they play a disproportionate role in deciding the outcome of the contest. And you have to take an ad as effective as that ad is, which has her on camera and is very factual and very powerful.
You need to reinforce it. And when the president, the former president, stands up at a rally and talks for 60 minutes and is ranging across a wide front, people are not going to be paying attention to the message you want to drive home on that day. And if you put up that ad, the most effective way to make certain that that ad gets driven home is, is to have the candidate focused on the same subject and limit their remarks. It's better for him to stand up in front of an audience of thousands of people and say, I want to introduce somebody you may not have heard of whose family was the victims of a migrant crime. Or I want to introduce a mayor of a border town who's dealing with this. I want you to listen to what he has to say about what the effect on our country of these 10 million illegal immigrants coming across the border.
And then drive that message home by saying, you know, the Biden administration, the Biden-Harris administration has failed. She was in charge of supposedly getting to the root cause of illegal immigration. And in return for her efforts, we got a record number of people.
Nobody ever came close. And when I get in there, here are some four things or five things I'm going to do to stop it. And that would be far more powerful than going to the National Association of Black Journalists and question whether she's Indian American or black American. I mean, that's what the president's true social messages have been focused on the last day. That's what his visit to the to the Black National Association of Black Journalists was all about. And as a result, it's overwhelmed the message that actually matters. That those questions of what she is, she Indian American or black American, what she's actually Indian American and black American.
I live in the state of Texas, where the most rapidly growing part of the population are people who identify with more than one ethnicity. And so, you know, pay attention to the things that really matter. And, you know, we got a 90 some odd days left in this contest. And the Harris campaign so far has been surprisingly disciplined now. They can't maintain that for all the rest of the campaign. They're going to have their time in the barrel as well.
And we'll see how they handle it. But, you know, you've got to stay on message. And the message is not, oh, she's Indian American or I agree with women or women who are women who don't have children or somehow less, less worthy than people than women who do have children. I mean, that's that. Those are the two biggest messages of the Trump advance campaign for the last week.
Yeah, not good and easily fixable. So for her, I would give her accolades if she did interviews. And at the same time, that message stayed clear and she would explain the flip flop on fracking, offshore drilling, border security. She's now saying not only she a borders are, but she's strong on the border, which is fascinating. She's also saying she was pro sanctuary city when she was a D.A.
and A.G. So that's that that's not going to fly anymore. And then now she was she was for the new Green Deal. She was for getting rid of private insurance. So she's changed all that through through releases to newspapers and media organizations. She hasn't even said this. Listen to the all new Bret Baier podcast featuring common ground in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Bret Baier favorites like his all star panel and much more. Available now at Fox News podcast dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. So I give her credit for reading the prompter, but I want you to hear her without a prompter.
When the hostel when the prisoner swap happened, she went to a camera. Cup five. Very good testament to the work that we prioritize under Joe Biden's leadership in our administration, which is the importance of building alliances, building the strength that we have through diplomacy to have outcomes like this. And there's so much at stake right now in our country and in this upcoming election, including who has which approach to understanding America's strength. So we'll see how that goes. Will she take any questions about anything like this?
I doubt it. And incidentally, you left off of your list one of the more astonishing one. Here was a woman who said, we have to reimagine the ice and start start fresh. And now she's a supporter of the Border Patrol at ice. So you're right. But again, how do you flip that?
How do you deal with it? There are two ways to go at it. One is to say she's a flip flopper, which she is. But more importantly is to say, in my opinion, is to say, well, glad that in the ninety six days before the election and nearly four years after she took office, she's finally changed and five years after she said it, she's changed her mind when she did. But she's not trustworthy. You know, she's she's doing this only because of politics.
You got to explain why. It's not just enough to say flip flop. Remember, the people who were up for grabs in this election, they just trust all politicians. That's why the attack that the Harris campaign is leveling at Trump and Vance, that they're weird.
That doesn't work because remember, the people are up for grabs. Think all politicians are weird and they think all politicians are flip floppers. You've got to get to something deeper. And the deeper is she knew she knows she's wrong in this issue. She's been bad on this issue for four years as vice president. She's bad on this issue for five years as a candidate for president and then as vice president. And she's wrong on the issue and keep driving it home.
So you've never no one's ever done anything like this. I don't think flipped on 13, 15 issues. She's coming through. She's actually admitting by doing this that the policies that they've had in place for the last three years are remarkably unpopular. And she will do the exact opposite. And what she's done in her career does not work, is not popular. So she'll do the exact opposite. It's pretty amazing to think that what you supposedly believe the American people are so repulsed for you get elected.
You have to change your opinion on what you've done. Yeah. Yeah. And put it in the political sphere. You know, she's doing this for politics only. She doesn't care deeply about the issue of border security. She she she's doing what she thinks is necessary to get elected. Now, again, remember, there's a lot of of feeling among the voters who are yet to be, you know, in the lineup in a camp that all politicians do this.
But that's why it's important to say here's here's where she and I differ and here's what I'm going to do. And I'm drawing to my camp people who are, you know, one of them, you and I were there. One of the most powerful set of moments were these ordinary Americans who stood up.
Yeah. The woman who lost her son to fentanyl. The brother who lost his sister to a rapist and a murderer who at the end of his speech at the convention said he hoped that the man who raped and murdered his sister would be able to find Christ before his judgment. And then that woman from New York who set the place on fire talking about how her son was stabbed by an illegal immigrant. Those kind of people will help frame this up in an emotional, powerful way that cause ordinary Americans to say, you know what? Donald Trump stands with those people and I stand with those people because we all agree on something. We need to secure the border and, you know, find to say true social and find to say rallies. But you need to have a structure to this to drive home the message to people who are who are yet up for grabs and say what you will about Harris. She's been remarkably disciplined in the last couple of weeks. And I think that's why this race has closed again. Now, can she maintain it?
We don't know because you're right. I mean, what happens when she gets outside of the teleprompter and what happens when she gets in front of tough questions? Now, she will have an advantage if she does interviews, and that is the dominant media are desperate for her. I mean, you just look at the glowing club coverage that she's had the last couple of weeks and it's clear the media. You know, they're they're thrilled that Joe Biden stepped aside and they will do everything they can to put her in a good light in a way that you didn't even have to confront.
I thought you had a much more fair press than than Trump's dealing with right now. Oh, yeah. No, it's just, you know, you know, yes, there was Bush derangement syndrome, but it was not as widespread as as the media today and what they face, what they exhibit when they face Donald Trump. And the thing is, Carl, here's the thing that the Trump issues that he ran on and governed on are actually hotter today than they are when he was when he was president. So I think that when you say I don't want to go back, a lot of people, she should change that line because a lot of people are saying, no, no, I do want to go back not to the 50s, just to four years prior to this.
Yeah, yeah. Well, and also, you know, and she started she has moved away from the theme that the Democrats were using much of this year, which is he's a threat to democracy. Well, you know, look, I'm a huge I have very strong feelings about what happened on January 6th when people brutalized Capitol Police. But let's be honest, a lot of people look at what Joe Biden attempted to do, spending hundreds of billions of dollars of our money as a political giveaway to students, to young voters by saying, I'm going to do what the law doesn't allow me to do. And the courts are going to slap me down on it. But I'm going to try and give away hundreds of millions of dollars in debt relief, college loan debt relief.
And why? They were explicit about it. They told reporters we're in trouble with young voters and we think if we can give some debt relief on their on their student loans, we might get their vote. I mean, talk about bread and circuses, a return to Rome, you know, imperial Rome. But she's got a challenge, too. She's got to find a way to to to paint a vision of what her future looks like that is going to be able to move her beyond beyond where she is. She has moved largely because people who are Democrat leaners or Democrat loyalists, young voters, Hispanic voters and black voters said he is too old.
He's not up to the job. And I'm I'm unenthusiastic or I'm turned off and she is reenergized them. But there's going to be a limit to how far that's going to take her. And again, she has the same problem. She's got to focus on the undecided and weakly linked voters who are low information.
They spent very little time in politics. They will pay more attention the closer we get to the election. And they need to have the message drilled home time and time and time again. And so far, her message has been, hey, Democrats who were disappointed with Joe Biden, I'm here and I'm leading our ticket.
I'm showing some energy and I can string together two sentences. And they're responding by upping her numbers. Yep. They have a lot of limit to that. Yeah, there is. And it's going to end at the DNC. But there's going to be a counter protest at DNC that could overwhelm it. Yeah. We'll see what they can do. Karl Rove, thanks so much. You bet. Thank you.
