Democrats split on Biden dropping out; Family urges him to keep fighting

From Hia Tom Fox News Headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Killmeat Show. I hope you had a fantastic weekend, man.

It was eventful. If you love politics and you love the country, to find out what the direction we're going to be going in, man, it was fascinating watching every single show on Fox and beyond. I come to you from a place I've never been before, and as far as I know, Fox and Friends or Fox News has never done a show from before, and that's Fargo, North Dakota. We'll be back. We're doing a series on television on Fox and Friends about the vice presidential running mate, the shortlist for Donald Trump.

And, of course, Governor Doug Bergham's been by the President's side. On the former president's side, almost from the day that he decided he wasn't gonna run anymore for president, and he's on the very, very, very short list.

So I came out here, did a diner this morning, did a spend a day with him on his ranch lash. uh farm and had a fascinating look at what life is like here in this great state. which is really, I'm about 10 miles from Minnesota. Interesting place. Hey, before we get to our guests, we have a special one from just around the corner.

We also have Michael Goodwin. Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three.

So you do believe that a president could pardon himself for federal crimes? I believe that the president has broad pardon authority, Margaret, but more importantly, I think the president has immunity. It's not about whether he should pardon himself. It's about whether he'll be prosecuted in the first place for discharging his official duties. Wow, that is J.D.

Vance. China looked strong in enemy fire. Immunity decision today from the Supreme Court. We'll have it within our show. They're going to decide what level of immunity a president has, if any.

You know, can you do an Aaron Bird thing and shoot people? Or can you do something to get sued for maybe letting the border fall apart like Joe Biden is doing? Maybe not. We'll find out. I think he's the only Democrat who can beat Donald Trump.

And let me tell you, we had the single best day of grassroots fundraising after the debate. The first poll that we saw after the debate showed Joe Biden gaining ground on Donald Trump. Yes, the man that took the Senate slot from Joe Biden, going to bat for Joe Biden, that's Chris Coons. Who's to blame for the Biden performance and who would be next if the Dems make a change at the top of the ticket? What would that all mean for Trump's chances at a second term?

We'll discuss. Number one. There are very honest and serious and rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party. Our party is going to be unified, and our party also needs him at the very center. Really?

Jamie Rotzkin? Hard conversations, but we need him. The Biden debate debacle causing massive Democrat fallout. Forty six, forty eight hours later, seventy two hours later, there's emergency meetings going on everywhere about his future and What happens if he bows out?

So I thought Jamie Raskin's soundbite was really significant because he's a big time Democrat. He's not much different from you might see from Adam Schiff or all these sycophants that will want us to believe that if you mock or you notice Joe Biden's failings, if you see him stare blankly, if you're upset that he never gives interviews or press conferences, if you wonder why he needs a day off after every travel day, why he needs a day to rest after he arrives at the G7, you ask those questions. You're a terrible person. And Donald Trump's bad. And what about January 6th?

Well, after that debate Thursday, I was amazed within seconds, really within seconds, there was a big bailout. We got to get rid of Biden. What happened to him? What happened to him is people like Bill Maher have been noticing. That blank look that he has in his face, that shuffle that we see every single day, the feeling that he can't hold a press conference.

It's not that he's lazy, that he can't do the job when he can't answer a question to keep a clear thought. Here's more from Jamie Raskin Cut One. There are very honest and serious and rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party. One thing I can tell you is that, regardless of what President Biden decides, our party is going to be unified, and our party also needs him at the very center of our deliberations and our campaign. And so whether he's a I heard that.

So get this. The congressman says, whatever Joe Biden decides we need him, excuse me. He got the nomination. He announced his reelection campaign two years ago. He had a bad debate.

Barack Obama had a bad debate. George Bush against John Kerry had a bad first debate. We remember that. Almost everybody in office is a bad first debate. The difference is that.

Everything else is overcomable. You know, George Bush would go back to studying the issues and spar again with Kerry and knock him out. Barack Obama got his feet underneath him and did very well again in the next two debates to Mitt Romney, although famously he gave that line. The 1980s called they want their foreign policy back when he said Russia is the number one geopolitical foe. That was a great line by Romney.

They thought that Obama had the best line, but it turns out it may have sounded good, but it was totally inaccurate.

So what is going on here? Why is everyone first bailing? And now backing Joe Biden. The Sunday shows were full of people trying to back Joe Biden. Listen to this, cut three.

Do you think President Biden should drop out of this race, Senator? Oh, absolutely not. Joe Biden's decision to go forward. Is a decision that we will all embrace because of the record he has and the. A performance that will come with it.

And that that whole abandoned Biden thing, that's the dummy I've ever heard. Joe Biden has earned, and Joe Biden deserves, the confidence, the respect, and frankly, the partnership. That we now have to provide to him. Has that been a part? of debate preparation before And I know when I see what I call preparation overload.

And that's exactly what was going on the other night. And the all overlooked. Exactly. Exactly. It was preparation overload.

He was too good. He was too prepared. Please. This Congressman Clarburn, by the way, who's older than Joe Biden, would have done better. Ben Corden would have done better.

McJagger would have done better, or older than Joe Biden, And what I'm hearing now and people look at him and what he's experiencing, he can only work, and this according to multiple reports, ten to four every day. I got news for you. That means you can't do the job. You're failing the audition. America needs a president that can work twenty hours a day continuously.

And that's why Trump, who's up in almost every battleground state and the national polls, should have a major, major boost after this.

Some of the people saying some things that matter, and I tell you. We haven't discussed this extensively. We did a little bit on Friday, but the person who's propping them up is Jill Biden. There's no question about it. She's the one who doesn't want to let go of power.

She's the one propping him up evidently behind the scenes, railing against his handlers, Ron Klain, Anita Dunn, Bob Bauer, Anita Dunn's husband, who played Donald Trump in the mock sessions that evidently wore him out and made him too prepared. But know what they're talking about now? The Mayo Clinic says he's got some classic signs, and they say it's called sundowning. It references a state of confusion that affects elders, he is, particularly those who have Alzheimer's disease or types of dementia. During the evening, as the sun's beginning to set, This, according to the Mayo Clinic, more extreme cases of sundowning result in anxiety, aggression, and pain.

Chasing and wandering, even hallucinations in trouble sleeping. And that's what's going on. I mean, that's what you're witnessing, isn't it? Our unprofessional diagnosis. You can't yell at people for noticing.

that you keep that this president is not ready for the job. And will never be ready. But I just know one other person that's equally unpopular, and that's his running mate. He chose her because he wanted to be politically correct, and that's why the Democrats are tying themselves in knots. In order to find some type of answer and to beat Donald Trump, there's panic for very good reason.

So, bottom of the arrow, Michael Goodwin coming up next, Senator Kramer. All right, right here. Kevin Kramer from North Dakota. We came to him, so he came to us. You listen to the Brian Kilmey Show on the road in Fargo.

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I mean, within the first 10 minutes of that debate, the question was being asked here in Washington in Capitol Hill offices in group chats all over my phone and editorial meetings across the country whether Joe Biden should carry on as the Democratic nominee. And our job is not to ignore those questions. Because they are real, they are valid and they aren't going away. and the speculation is not going to stop any time soon. But right now, it's also important to remember there is no real indication that Joe Biden plans to step aside.

and he and the campaign seemed to be quite invested in the fight to keep going. Jen Sake on another network explaining what we all saw, but why is she explaining it now? Not only is she not press secretary, I get that, but up until this moment, she was singing his praises on her shows, saying how great he is, how fantastic he is behind closed doors, yet not surprised by what he saw, Senator Kevin Kramer of North Dakota Center. We came to you and you came to us here in the studio. Thanks so much.

Your reaction to their reaction seems surreal, doesn't it? It does. I was always surprised after the actual debate that they were so surprised because, as you said, they've been defending him all along, almost though. Obviously, knowing if things weren't as good as they were wishing they were. But I think they thought they could maybe.

Massage it enough and talked through it enough that somehow they could get to November without the general public seeing it. The problem is the general public's been watching it for three years. Senator, you know what bothers me most is that I'm worried about the next few months.

Well, that sort of brings up a real-time. I know exactly what we're talking about. I believed we're less safe today than we were a week ago. because of the debate performance. And we weren't we weren't that safe a week ago because of the projection of weakness by this President all over the globe, starting with our own border, Afghanistan withdrawal, obviously.

His handling of Ukraine. The the fact that he says he supports Israel every other day and then the other days he supports Palestine. It's so incoherent. And then, of course, what he's allowed Iran to do, get rich off of oil and by the lifting of sanctions and bringing back the whole Iran nuclear deal. I mean, it's all weakness.

And then, of course, this giant performance on national international television, largest audience to ever watch a presidential debate. He absolutely has a brain fart. And now they're looking at a couple of things. If we're going to strike, we should probably do it in the course of the next several months because it looks like Donald Trump's going to be the next president. We don't want to mess with that guy.

And here they are doubling down on Joe Biden. What kind of president do you think Trump was? I loved him. I personally, in my lifetime, the first president I was able to vote for was Ronald Reagan. He'll probably always be number one in my mind, in my heart.

But Donald Trump is clearly the most successful modern day president.

So he has a short list of Governor Doug Bergham, Marco Rubio, as well as J.D. Vance. You've known Doug Bergham for a long time, even before we knew him as governor.

So you know Trump, how will they work? Yeah, I think they'd work together very well. First of all, I think Governor Bergham has already demonstrated his ability to. on the one hand, advocate for Donald Trump.

Something that he does with great integrity, with great enthusiasm, with great intellect, and he does it. Willingly. The other thing he does is he has a similar philosophy: fewer regulations, lower taxes. He has signed both sides of a paycheck many, many times. He's hired people and fired people.

He's built new companies. He's purchased old companies. He's invested well. They're very similar in that experience. He is different than Donald Trump in that he's not as prone to to drama, if you will.

Doug is a very s uh Cerebral guy, he's very wonky. I'm sure you've interviewed him. You now know he can go deep, deep, deep into the woods. Weeds likes going deep into the weeds on issues. That's a good counterbalance, I think, to the, to the.

The big personality of Donald Trump. Do you think that Rubio and J.D. Vance both would be mistakes, or do you just think Doug is bad?

Well, I think Doug's the best. I mean, I love both Marco and J.D. I think Tim Scott's as good as anybody can be. Oh, yeah, I should say Tim Scott. Yeah, I mean, of course, I work with all three of those guys.

And quite honestly, Brian, just from a purely selfish standpoint, I don't want us to remove a sitting senator right now.

Now, granted, it's a higher calling, and if Donald Trump wants one of them, he should take, you know, he should ask them, and I'm sure they'd all be honored to serve. Um You know, I think governors make good executives. I think good executives sometimes make good legislators, but I just think. The Doug is a good, safe pick that adds stability to the whole situation. What about two white guys?

Is that a problem?

Well, you know, it's it is an interesting point, but I think I find more and more, Brian, that people vote Based on Competence? Competence on their economic situation, on the geopolitics, on how safe and secure they feel. We, I think, frankly insult people when we think that somehow race and gender and other things are the issue that they vote on.

So Nikki Haley said this. The former South Carolina governor was still kind of a little bitter about the campaign. She says, get ready. President Biden will not be the candidate. They're going to go with a younger, more vibrant one.

They're going to be smart about it. They're going to go find some bring somebody younger. They're going to bring somebody vibrant. They're going to bring somebody tested. And says that Trump's got to be ready.

Your thoughts?

Well, I'm sure he will be ready, although I haven't seen anybody in the Democratic lineup. I mean, when Donald Trump, when you consider the people you've just named as potential running mates for Donald Trump, Any one of them, all of them, and several others are better prepared to be the President of the United States than anybody on the Democratic side, including the Vice President of the United States.

So if you can imagine. An inner party fight four months before the election that would involve. Maybe throwing out the current vice president, a black woman, a woman of color, for, say, Gavin Newsom. I mean, you've got a civil war on your hands that would be hard to control. My personal view is: of all of the bad options in front of the Democrats, their least bad one is to somehow rehabilitate.

So everyone wants to talk about Gavin Newsom, and he showed up in the spin room the other day and he took a pause before he answered whether he's ready to replace it. I got his back. Adam Kerowa knows him well, knew him when he was mayor of San Francisco. He joined me Saturday night on One Nation. Here's what he said about Gavin Newsom: that the nation only sees kind of likes the look.

But maybe not the person who got 22. I think Trump destroys him. I mean Trump is Newsom's a sociopath, he's ruined California and he wants to franchise.

So it's basically like saying, I built the world's worst taco stand in California and now I'm going nationwide with them. No one's buying what he's selling. You know, Michelle Obama or somebody like that, maybe that's a different story. Joe Obama shows no interest. Your thoughts about Gavin Newsome.

You guys must talk about this. We do, but Gavin Newsome is sort of like a. A distant alien to most people in North Dakota. I do think that, I mean, that point is an important point. Everybody thinks, okay, California, Gavin Newsom heard of him.

He looks at the part. But boy, this spotlight gets really, really bright, really, really fast, Brian. And if Gavin Newsom's, what's he going to do? Run on, I can do for America what I've done for California. Let's see if we can drain a bunch of people off.

Let's see if we can raise your cost of doing business, raise your taxes, raise your energy costs, double compared to many parts of the country. I just think he's good for a day. I love this place, and it's so military-oriented. You have three major bases, and one is Space Force Base. Yeah, Space Force Base.

Do you feel you're appreciated enough here in North Dakota? Not you, but the state. I think it's interesting. North Dakota used to be a very famous broadcaster from North Dakota, Eric Severide, once called North Dakota the rectangular blank spot of the nation's consciousness. And the reality is that we've always sort of liked that part of us.

We don't need to feel appreciated. We know who we are. We know that we provide two of the three legs of the nuclear triad at the Minot Air Force Base, incredible ISR and space capabilities at Grand Forks, a Space Force station, as you mentioned up in Cavalier. Our happy hooligans, the North Dakota Air Guard, do ISR, fly MQ-9s all over the world. It doesn't really matter that people know about that necessarily to me, as long as we're doing our jobs and people are at peace.

Build that Teddy Roosevelt Presidential Museum. People start coming. I mean, they got Mount Rushmore on South Dakota. They're doing a lot of ads. Hopefully, you'll drop the North.

That's what I hear. What Governor Berg wanted to do? I was tourism directly. I just wanted to do that. I was tourism directly.

You were tourism director. I was. I wanted it to drop north as well because. You know, I just, Dakota means friend, and everybody knows south is lower. And you guys are friendly.

And everyone, it's lower. That's nice. Clear the top Dakota. I just got that. I'm slow on the uptake.

Senator, great to see you. Thanks so much for everything you're doing. And we'll see if North Dakota is going to get a lot more scrutiny as if the governor becomes vice presidential candidate. Thanks for coming to Firewall. All right, go get him, Senator.

We come back, Michael Goodwin. The more you listen, the more you'll know it's Brian Killmead. It's very, very serious. I mean, if you're a foreigner, an ally, a partner, you're looking at this and you start questioning: does he have the stamina to go another four years? Look, you can't help but answer and say no.

We know what he's wrestling with. We see it unfortunately in our parents or grandparents. And every day, every week, he's going to get a little bit worse. And the question is, at a time when the world needs America's leadership, In an era of great power competition, where the autocracies of Russia And China and Iran and North Korea are lining up against the Western democracies. American leadership matters.

And who's in charge? The commander-in-chief of the United States is also important. And that is Mark Esper, former Secretary of Defense for Trump. And he's not all for Trump these days. They kind of clashed when he had that position.

Joining us now is Michael Goodwin, but he had to point out what we all saw. It wasn't a bad debate. It wasn't, wow, I kind of got beat on immigration. He beat me on the economy. My facts weren't right.

I froze up. No, he looked too old. Michael Goodwin, your thoughts about what Mark Esper just said, because he's also worried about the world's perception of us, too. No, I think that's a very good point, Brian, that everybody in the world who had who cares about the power of the United States. For good or evil, saw that.

And I think it's, you know, once you see it, You can't unsee it. You can't forget it. This is, and as Esper says, It looks like It's increasing. In other words, Joe Biden. When you go back even to 2020, when he was hiding in the 2020 election, hiding in the basement to avoid too much scrutiny.

We knew then that something was going on. We have known all along, despite the media's attempt to cover up for him, the way he is hidden from the public, the way his His public appearances are also scripted, and you he can't answer questions, he can't have press conferences, he can't do real serious interviews. For his challenge. And now we see at the end of it, when the mask is ripped off, Uh there's no, you know, it it's a disaster because He's clearly declining even further than he was, which I think gives rise to a lot of commentary and suspicions about what's going on. I mean, this idea that I guess it was Axios had this story that he's basically good from 10 to 4 each day.

He's got six good hours. And then you read about a lot of people talking about sundowners. the way that dementia patients really begin to fade at the end of the day and get lost and things that they could do at ten AM, they can't do at ten PM. I'm not a doctor. I'm just saying that there is a lot of stuff out there that suggests this is not a momentary issue.

This is an increasingly difficult for him to do ordinary things. And so he's asking for four more years. That's an extraordinary ask in this environment. It's unacceptable, and it's really, it looks more and more like Joe Biden. If you watch her open for him, if you watch her walk him around, if you see the way she treats him.

Like a toddler? She knows exactly what's going on. And it's the theory of many that Jeff Zeitz is being run by Ron Klain, who's now making millions of dollars to sit outside the White House and really tell him what to do. And yet, while being blamed by the Biden family for working him too hard in preparation for the debates that they demanded, I mean, Trump should not even do the September debates or demand them be done on his terms. Live audience, better moderators, fairer moderators, not even friendly to Trump, but just people that don't hate Trump, even though I thought the moderators did a very good job.

I had no problems with them. But start balancing things his way. But the problem is, I don't know where they go from here. What are your thoughts, Michael, about what do you think will happen next?

Well, look, I think he's toast. I think he's. You wrote that in your column. Yes, I think he's gone within a month. I think that right now you you see the Brave Front, the family, I mean, Hunter Biden's there.

Oh boy, there's great. Take advice from him. He knows. By the way, his advice? Stay in.

He's pushing his dad to stay in. And so is and so is Joe Biden. I don't know if that's for them or that's for him. But look, I do think that this there's a bums rush moment right now. I think that will pass.

I think Biden has enough goodwill and prerogatives left that he can demand something. What, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with Hunter. But I do believe that the polls will continue to shift toward Donald Trump. And that the fundraising will decline.

And so and of course, for a lot of Democrats, it's not just about the Presidency, it's about Congress. It's about the state houses. And so they'll be looking at the down ballot impacts of keeping Joe Biden at the top of the ticket. And I think it will not stay in scrutiny. I think within as the polls move and as the fundraising declines, I think they will then convince him that, look, you have no base.

There's no future in this. Nobody supports you. We all want you to go. What are the conditions under which you will drop out of the race? I don't think he'll resign the Presidency, although I think uh Steve Bannon, of all people who is entering prison today, made a very good case, I think, in on Omegan Kelly podcast in which he talked about.

you know, that this is a this is a crisis right now. I mean, because what we started talking about, the the whole world saw this. And if they think that they have limited time under which to operate while Joe Biden's in the White House. They may begin sooner. They may have plans that they put into operation because of what is going on.

Because not only that, the next person up is going to have a totally different approach. He's going to increase the defense spending. He's going to be more muscular. He's going to isolate Iran quickly. He's going to tell Israel to finish the job.

He's going to demand accountability with our money in Ukraine while giving them what they need, I hope. I want you to do what Jennifer Palmieri said, and you know she worked for Obama and for Biden. Cut 18. The funny thing is the deeper we get into it, the more you realize how early this is, right? It is it was a bad performance and it was particularly concerning given his age.

But Um You know, polls right now are kind of meaningless. And then, when you look at the actual evidence, he's raised, there's a new number now, I think it's $33 million. He had, you know, there the campaign points to his good performance on Friday in North Carolina. Really? So it's still early.

Don't worry about it. Plenty of money. Yeah, look, as I wrote in the column, Brian, I think a month at most. They're going through this process. You can see woven in between all of this bravado and everything, there are these people who are saying, well, let's give it a little time here.

Let's see because If it looks like he's going to take the whole ship down, a lot of people are going to jump off that ship. And that only stands to reason. I mean, this is a business for those people. This is the business of politics. You cannot just go on a wing and a prayer here just because you may like him, or you feel sorry for him, or it's late in the game because of the calendar.

No, that won't be enough to save him. And I feel very confident that that second debate, he won't be there by the time it comes around. Yeah, if we have one. But Michael Goodman's, it's going to be a big day today. In a very short matter of time, maybe within a half hour, we are going to find out about presidential immunity.

And it is not just about Trump at January 6th. It is going to be about future presidents. Can you sue Joe Biden for letting the border go down and maybe your son or daughter dies of a drug overdose or being killed at the hands of an illegal immigrant criminal that was not screened? Can you, if you are an Iraqi veteran and you have PTSD, can you sue you? George Bush, because there were no weapons of mass destruction there.

So I sense that the Supreme Court justices were really thinking. This is not going to be an easy case. And how do we set a good precedent?

So what do you think will happen today? I I do think they will extend it Extend or find the protection is there. for most cases. For for now how they frame that legally in accordance with the Constitution, I'm not a legal I'm not a legal scholar, nor am I a lawyer, but I think they're they're looking obviously to thread the needle here.

So that there is Protection as you in the kind of cases you outline there, but it's not blanket. It's not 100%. There are limits. And I think that's really what we expect from the Supreme Court. Where are the limits to things?

I mean, that's always the challenge, and you get before the Supreme Court almost no matter whom the justices are, is what are the limits? What can't you do as the government? And I think that's what they'll find here: that the President has a lot of protection, but there are limits. And of course, that's what we're looking for. What is the limit here?

And lastly, Michael, I worry about July 11th. More than the bait. I worry about July 11th and this Judge Morshand's sentencing. And he could he put Donald Trump in jail. Could he give him weekend house arrest?

Could he give him a house arrest? Because jud if they are all in sync and in concert, And if you saw that performance of Joe Biden, you ought to think: what could possibly happen to Donald Trump? that would stop him from winning. How about that? Andy McCarthy was asked about it.

Listen to what he said. Uh on the possibility of him getting prison time. Cut 30. I think he will give him an in-custodial sentence. I don't think he'll end up in custody.

And I think that's part of the, perversely, Trey, I think part of the incentive. To sentence him to prison is the awareness that he won't actually go to prison because he'll get bail pending appeal. But as we saw in that trial, unlike what the charges were, which were pretty puny Falsification of business records charges. The way they teed the case up for the jury was to present it as a successful conspiracy to steal the twenty sixteen election. If that's the fiction under which he's going to be sentenced, it's hard to believe that you could say 34 counts of that and then turn around and say, that's worth about two days of probation.

I just don't see that. Do you worry about that too? And what do you think about Andy McCarthy's scenario? As you know, he's from the Southern District of New York. Right, right.

Look, I I I think that the Democrats in for a dime, in for a dollar on this uh use of uh g the government uh uh Criminal justice system for politics. I don't see them backing off. Why should they? I mean, this is Joe Biden, you know, was ginned up to call him a felon at the debate. And that's you read the email pitches for money from Democrats.

They're all using the convicted felon line. This is now the holy mantra for the Democrats. If you can, on top of that verdict, get him in jail even for 24 hours or whatever it is. it adds to the Democratic arsenal, to their voters, to those who think this was a legitimate trial, that this is a legitimate case. It's not, in my opinion, in Andy McCarthy's opinion and Turley and others, It is not a legitimate case.

But we're beyond that now. And so it's now a campaign issue.

So if he is in some way locked up, even for a brief period, I think it'll help Donald Trump. I don't know. Again, I think everything has changed, Brian, because of Biden's performance. I think it opens a new window through which you can see everything in this campaign. As the President of the United States, who cannot string two sentences together, who can't finish a sentence.

who who just doesn't seem to have a clear view of anything. Is this the guy you're going to trust? Is this okay? For the President of the United States. If it is, if you're a Biden diehard and you're a Democrat die-hard and you hate Donald Trump, you know.

put him in prison forever. But I think for most Americans, It's not it doesn't work that way. They don't see it that way. They don't see this case as the end all and be all of justice. I know the CNN lead legal analyst is probably going to lose his job because he said basically what you said.

And I think most legal scholars. And I was just struck by Andrew Cuomo on Bill Maher's show. He said, I never would have brought this case. This case is not brought. If the name wasn't Donald Trump.

And number three, we all should be worried. because of the way this case was brought. about our own welfare. And I thought, I know he's trying to win people over But Bill Maher doesn't necessarily care what you say. He's going to ask the question.

They're both liberals. I I I'm I'm not a fan. But it is noteworthy that he said basically what we've been saying, and what clear thinking people who aren't blinded by politics have been saying. This is not the case where you put a former president who's probably going to be the next president in jail over, but it doesn't mean it won't happen. Michael, always great.

Your columns are very important now, especially we'll see if you're right. And Joe Biden's gradually eased out. Fundamentally, I still think it's his decision. All right. Thanks, Michael.

My pleasure, Brian. Thank you. All right, we come back. We'll try to squeeze in some calls also. Any minute now, the Supreme Court is going to let us know their ruling on immunity for the President.

At stake? The President's legal case and President's in the future too. Brian Kill Me Chill on the road in beautiful Fargo, North Dakota. Covering this election year like no other. It's Brian Kilmead.

Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Yeah, I worry about not only the president who's the next president is going to be, and clearly Donald Trump's the choice. I mean, not only did he have four years of experience, he's got a staff ready to go. I think he's got great lineup of top talent on the Republican side.

And I had a chance to speak to him yesterday on the phone. We spoke for about twenty minutes. We spoke about a lot of people. I mean, I've never heard him happier as a politician, ever, ever, ever, ever. From the moment he ran, and people had a problem with him coming down the escalator, they had a problem when he said, Mexico isn't sending us their best.

Everyone's like, oh, that's anti-Hispanic. Build a wall will never work. Um, he's not a serious candidate, and then the Russia hoax, the impeachment that happened. Uh followed up by The reelection, the pandemic, not getting credit for anything. His family's under indictment.

So he hasn't been happy. You know, you can't tell, he still forges through it, but I didn't realize. How much happier he was when he was just a promoter. Even going through the bankruptcies and the divorces and the affairs and all the stress that you and I would be overwhelmed with, not him. And yesterday he just feels like I have a big decision to make.

In my view, and I don't think he's made it yet. But he actually sounds off and he starts hitting me with different people at for different positions. I mean, he feels like he's gonna win. And he just feels as though this guy's an angry guy. He is a very angry guy.

And he could have, he says, I could have come up with a lot worse. I pulled back a little bit. on some of the things he was hearing. But you know what I worry about is what I talked about Senator Kramer. Kramer before.

And I worry about what our enemies are thinking right now. Because not only do they think to themselves, You know, Biden's weak. His staff's in disarray. His people aren't strong at state. They're not strong at defense.

I mean, his defense secretary disappeared for three weeks. And you as a President didn't even know it. Why Trump didn't bring that up? That would have been a huge one. I mean, how could you possibly run a How could you possibly run a government and not be in touch with the Secretary of Defense or his staff and they weren't?

But I worry about how the rest of the world feels knowing that Donald Trump would be next. And I don't necessarily agree with Michael Goodwin. I appreciate everybody's point of view. I don't see him being eased out. Unless he has a mental breakdown, something happens.

He's already had two strokes. Unless something happens like that, if it happens like this, they're just going to keep them out of the fire, not push for that second debate, and just hope. He wins. He won't. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. So glad you're here. It's the Brian Killmeat Show on the road in beautiful Fargo, North Dakota, and only I'm in 1211-6th Avenue, Midtown Manhattan. Any minute, we're waiting for it on the Supreme Court.

A Supreme Court decision.

So it's supposed to wrap up this week. Yeah, yeah, wrap up this week. And finally, go on vacation, man. They're just so impactful. I just never saw a body outside the presidency or any type of unit: Senate, House.

Republicans, Democrats as ridiculed. By one party, as the Democrats ridiculed the Supreme Court.

So we'll discuss all the possibilities there as we look at immunity. We're also looking at this Titanic change since the debate in the elections. I expect these first polls to come out to be a huge shift towards Trump. And I'll tell you, if you are even on the fence after watching that last debate, you should know exactly who to vote for. And I'll tell you one thing: after talking to Trump yesterday, he is all ready to go as if he's ready to start a business, and this is a big IPO.

And he wants to save the country, whether you believe it or not, I 100% believe it. We've got Josh Krashauer at the bottom of the hour, and Governor Kristen Noonu shortly.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three.

So, you do believe that a president could pardon himself for federal crimes? I believe that the president has broad pardon authority, Margaret, but more importantly, I think the president has immunity. It's not about whether he should pardon himself, it's about whether he'll be prosecuted in the first place for discharging his official duties. And that is J.D. Vance yesterday weighing in, saying the President does have immunity.

The question is, is it like what 45 says? Immunity from everything or only to a degree? I cannot wait to see what the Supreme Court says is coming our way today. Number two. I think he's the only Democrat who can beat Donald Trump.

And let me tell you, we had the single best day of grassroots fundraising after the debate. The first poll that we saw after the debate showed Joe Biden gaining ground on Donald Trump. Well, I'll tell you what. I give Chris Croons credit. He'll do whatever it takes to keep Joe Biden in the White House.

He was mentored by Joe Biden, he took his Senate seat. Chris Coons says he's the only one who could beat Trump. We'll talk about what's going to be happening if there is a rotation at the top and Trump chances against other opponents. Number one. There are very honest and serious and rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party.

Our party is going to be unified, and our party also needs him at the very center. That is Jamie Raskin. Say, get ready. We're having serious conversations, rigorous conversations about a change at the top. Really?

What happened over the weekend when the Biden family met? And is there going to be a push to throw Joe overboard? I have news for you. Morning Joe and everybody else are now backing Joe Biden. As hard as that is to believe.

Governor Chris Anunu, hey, Governor, I couldn't wait to talk to you. You know what I know. You knew this all along. Yes, Thursday, 40. 50 plus million people found out about it.

Why are they deciding to back him today almost to a man? Because they realize they have no other option, right? I think the train has left the station. They had a chance to have a real Democrat primary process and move him along. None of them had the courage to do it, and now they're paying the price.

The reality is, who's going to step in now? Who's going to raise a half a billion dollars in four months? Nobody. Likely still lose to Trump, not be the kind of put themselves in a lead position. It's not going to be Kamala, right?

Because she's less popular than Biden.

So who's going to step in? And you think she's going to step aside? No. It would be a chaotic mess for them to do it right now.

So they are stuck with the former president and the current president. And unfortunately, we're stuck with the current president because, as I remind folks, the scariest part of that debate wasn't a, boy, look at that candidate, Joe Biden. That guy's the president today. Like, he's literally, supposedly, theoretically making decisions today. God forbid there's a terrorist attack.

There's a tragedy. There's something that has to be addressed. This is the guy that's making special. Moment-to-moment decisions for the best interests of this entire country. Nobody believes that.

So I think the debate didn't expose what might happen in November. I think it exposed our vulnerabilities today, which is why a lot of world leaders saw that and went, oh my God, this is what the world leaders that and by the way, the rest of the world needs us to be strong. They want us to be strong. And that's why a lot of our allies are panicking across the world today. But do you really think they're surprised?

And I don't know the answer to that. Do you really think they're surprised? I'm sure he's had these moments behind the scenes. I mean, at the G seven, we were ridiculed. Me and you were ridiculed.

How dare you use cheap fakes to show the President wandering around looking detached and distracted and confused, and then we saw it all in front of us. Do you really think Macron doesn't know? Do you really think that Putin doesn't know? I got to be honest. I think they know he's old, but nobody has really seen him like that.

I've been with the president. I've been with the president in a variety of different meetings over the past few years. He's always quasi-on his A-game. He's had his slow moments. He doesn't move.

But for the most part, when the governors meet with him, when he's visited New Hampshire, I go and greet him at the airplane, all that. You know, he can get through it, no problem. And I think there's enough moments of the day when it is scripted. He can get through it, and his team will script it. On a debate stage, it ain't scripted.

Nothing's on the teleprompter, and you don't know what question is going to be coming.

So when you do these international events with these world leaders, it's still very scripted. Mr. President, here's the five points we need you to make. It's going to be written down right in front of you. No matter what Mark Gohan says, you're going to say this, this, and this.

And for the most part, he can stick to it, right? I think everybody, even I didn't think he was going to be that bad. I mean, Brian, did you think he was going to be that bad? I mean, you almost felt bad for him. But more importantly, I got really concerned for the country.

So, you know, I actually do believe he gets through most of his day. Very scripted by his staff. He gets through it just enough so people are, nah, he's old, but not it's not in it we're not in a point of crisis. What we saw the other day internationally, what everybody saw was, oh my God, th that country has a crisis on their hands. We got to get to November as fast as we can and get someone else in there.

I think behind the scenes they must know. I mean, we saw that story about him being totally detached in Afghanistan. We watch him have directions written on cards on where to sit and who to say hello to, where to sit in a room and leave him a parent. We watched him say pause because that was an instruction in the teleprompter.

So, I mean, we're seeing all these things that aren't It doesn't mean he's dumb. It means he's out of it. And this is what truly this is. This is what struck me. Listen to Jen Saki.

Cut thirteen. I mean, within the first 10 minutes of that debate, the question was being asked here in Washington, in Capitol Hill offices, in group chats, all over my phone, in editorial meetings across the country, whether Joe Biden should carry on as the Democratic nominee. And our job is not to ignore those questions. Because they are real, they are valid, and they aren't going away. Stop, let you stop right there.

She knows. The Joe Biden she worked for is the same one that she was praising on the Wednesday before the Thursday debate.

So why w if that if you think that that man is okay You should be in your monologue, go listen. That was a bad night. That's not the guy I know. Just trust me, behind the scenes, he is 100% on it. He pushed me to my limit.

But instead, she's like, oh, yeah, I'll throw him overboard too. This is the disconnect, Chris. It's like, you can't have it both ways.

Well, it's the media, right? They're just trying to save face at some point.

So when Joe Biden loses in November, they can say, yep, see, we told you they really should have switched him out.

Now, the logistics of doing that, though, the blocking and tackling of a presidential campaign with four months to go, let's say you're Gavin Newsome, who's a complete Fool, by the way. We all know that. But let's say you're that ambitious and you want, would you really step up and take this if it was offered to you? It's a losing proposition, right? Because he probably still loses to Trump.

He can't raise the money, and he goes into 2028 being the guy that lost to Trump. He's not going to be put on top of the ticket again.

So if you're Gavin, if you're Gretchen Whitmer, if you're Jay, you know, Pritzker, any of these guys, the best strategic play politically is to keep your powder dry.

So what that means is if they got rid of Biden, if Biden agreed to this, if somehow someone was willing to have the fight with Kamala, it's probably a kind of a second-tier loser candidate for them anyways.

So when you go through all these machinations, it all leads back to we had a chance and we blew it for the Democrat Party, not Republicans. But that's what the Democrat Party is saying. We had a chance to take the First of the Nation primary of New Hampshire seriously. They didn't do it, right? They tried to step right past us.

It didn't work. It ended up being a complete debacle. Biden is stuck. They tried to coronate Joe Biden. And when you have a coronation, guess what?

It's hard to get the crown off. And that's where they are today. Governor Sununa with us now. Over the weekend, there was a tense call with a group of 40 of Biden's top financial backers, run by this campaign manager, Julia Chavez-Rodriguez, laid out what could be and will be done over the next few weeks. The word from one of them is this, Joe Salazar.

He said, I was hoping to hear more substantive conversation. Instead, hey, let's get out there and let's be cheerleaders, was the message. Wow, I wouldn't write a check to that. Usually people, when they become millionaires and billionaires, they do it because they care about money and they don't like to waste it. Governor, somebody always just has to raise money for these rich people.

Who would write a check then? And if you're Trump, how do you make the most of this?

So I think the best thing Trump could do, us to start there, is to use this not be for his campaign. He's going to get a rating a polling boost out of this all across, especially in swing six, there's no doubt. The best thing that he can do and the Republican Party can do is use this to focus down the ticket. on the Senate seats, the governorships. right, this this isn't just a a Trump bump and an anti Biden push.

It's you can use this into an anti Democrat Party push. They've gone too far. They've lied to us consistently on all these issues.

Now they're lying to our faces about their leadership. And use it to win those governorships, the House and the Senate, because as we know, you need the entire team to. be successful. If you're successful down the ballot, that helps Trump. If you're successful on something I would say as simple as state house seats and state senate seats, that gets your army out, that gets your base out, that gets your local connection to voters out on a Republican platform, that again, just keeps helping Trump.

So my big I think there's a huge opportunity not to just make it about Biden, but to make it about the positivity and opportunity of a Republican ticket all across this country, up and down. Who do you think he should pick as his number two? I know he's going to make his own deal, but who do you think would benefit him most to pick from the list that's out there? Tim Scott. Governor Bergham, that's why I'm in North Dakota today.

We have Marco Rubio as a finalist in J.D. Vance. Who makes the most sense politically? And I'm not just saying this, but it is a governor. There's no doubt.

Governors are executives. They're partnerships. They're partners in leadership. Whether it were Bergham or someone like Yunkin, right, those are probably the two governors that come to the top of my mind. They would be phenomenal.

They're great individuals. They manage. It's not just about a political bench with them. They really know how to get stuff done. And that's what Trump will need in the second administration: a partner to achieve results, to be goal-oriented.

And governors can actually work with Congress very well because, in some ways, not having that history with the Senate and the House gives them kind of a blank slate of relationships to build off of on both sides of the aisle, not just with the Democrats, but on all the different parts of the Republican spectrum, right? They don't go in with kind of burned bridges, if you will.

So a governor makes all the sense in the world for Trump to pick. And if it were Bergham, I think that would be phenomenal. If it were Yunkin, I'm trying to think. Pretty much any governor at this point would be terrific, as long as they haven't shot any puppies. But other than that, any governor would be great.

Governor Christina, you're referring to, and you're not exaggerating. She did shoot her puppy. There you go. I like Christy. I just I I tease about it.

I mean, it's just so ridiculous. And just in terms of the the message it sends on the politics alone and understanding your politic how to how to maintain political popularity. But there's a lot of great governors out there for him to choose from. You know, there's things that happen in life, natural disasters, things that take place, uh and you can't help it. But if you look at what the Democrats have done on their last three cycles, remember Bernie Sanders was coming on in twenty sixteen, and they went out of their way to Debbie Warsman Schultz, who was running the DNC, to tilt this thing, give Hillary the answers in the debate and let her get the nomination.

Really, they went out of her way. It was President Obama who cleared the field and told Biden, don't run. Those were days when people on the Republican side, you guys just run. And you make your own decisions. And then what happened in twenty twenty?

Get out of the way if you RFK Jr., with all even though you're Democratic royalty, get out of the way, you're not going to run.

So they cleared the field and they basically gave him the nomination.

Now they're stuck with him because they don't do what Pat Buchanan did to Bush 41, which you know, that's your dad's era. They don't do what Ted Kennedy did to Jimmy Carter. That was the previous four years. They don't do what Ronald Reagan did to Gerald Ford, even though he lost. He challenged the sitting president.

So we let things play out and then you find out what they're made of. That's what happens when you script it. Don't you think so, Governor? Oh, without a doubt. When the voters decide the entire system is better, the candidates get better.

The primary process is better. There's more transparency in what's going on. Every time the Democrat Party nationally tries to game the system, and there's a lot of that going on recently, they lose. And if anything, it's because the people see what's going on. They don't trust it.

It's not transparent. They don't have a say in the vote. I mean, did Democrat voters really have a say, Joe Biden or somebody else? No. No, they didn't even have a choice.

Republicans, you can complain all you want, but we had a lot of great candidates running for president. At the end of the day, Trump beat everybody fair and square, right? I've worked hard for Nikki, as you know, but he beat everybody fair and square, and the voters decided. And so that's why all these Republicans, as much as we might have pushed against him, are saying, yep, okay. As long as the voters decide, we can believe in that.

We can trust in that. We know the process worked. And for all the Democrats that are screaming about, oh, you know, he's a threat to democracy. Let me ask you something. What is a bigger threat to democracy?

How about having a president that you've elected, yet it's clearly not making the decisions, right?

Somebody is making the decisions in this country today, and it ain't Joe Biden. I can't think of anything that's a bigger threat to democracy than electing somebody who's clearly not doing the job. people that are really doing the job, we don't even know their names. We don't know who they are. They're kind of behind the scenes within the Democrat Party.

That's a huge threat to democracy when the decision-making and leadership that you think you voted for isn't really coming to bear.

So I think there's a lot to answer for in the Democrat Party. And the amazing part is this. The American public is smart. The voters are smart. And when you let them make the decision and we let them see what's really happening, usually as a group, we really do come to the right conclusion.

You do, Governor, and it's going to be very interesting from here on in. And you're somebody who said, Hey, I'll fight. I don't think Trump should be the nominee. But when he is, you said, Of course I'm going to vote for him. And now all of a sudden CNN stopped calling.

I feel bad for you.

Well, I wouldn't say they stopped calling. I wouldn't say that. Everyone's still calling, but you know, the best part about getting through that primer is I got to just go back and focus on the state, doing the job. It's still a 24-7 job. I'm looking out the state house windows right now, and it's a beautiful day in New Hampshire, but it's always a 24-7 job.

But we'll get back out there on the speaking circuit, so to say. Absolutely. I just hope you don't leave politics because you have too strong of a message. You're too great at it. Governor Chris Nuno.

I'll talk to you again soon. Thank you, Brian. Talk to you. All right. Okay.

Listen, bottom of the hour, Josh, trash hour. This is the Brian Kill Me Joe on the road in beautiful Fargo, North Dakota. Coming to you on a need-to-know basis, because Mandy, you need to know, it's Brian Kilmead. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show.

Yeah, so ruling's in on the free speech. It looks like everything's going to stay as it was. They didn't like the way the case was brought, so the Supreme Court will not have any crackdown on the social media companies when it comes to or for governments when they crack down on social media companies because they don't want you to read a certain thing about the pandemic or read something about, I guess, who's winning an election.

So we'll wait on that.

So, this is supposed to be a big wrap, and they can start their summer at the Supreme Court. We'll keep you up to date on what's happening. along the way. And we're supposed to have an interview. Maybe I'll bring back from Doug Bergham.

Who I have a little bit later. I had a chance to talk to on Fox and Friends. We had some substantial time. We rolled a little bit longer, so we'll bring that entire interview. I'm in North Dakota today because the Flag Family Media has allowed me to broadcast and do the radio show here, but I came out to do a one-on-one with Doug Bergham.

We're trying to do a series of all the people on Donald Trump's shortlist to be his running mate. And now, if you look at the polls, Trump is up by five nationally. You see him up in most of the battleground states. He's only tied in Wisconsin. I know it's within the margin of error.

Then you put into play Minnesota, which is a dead heat. Virginia is a dead heat. New Hampshire is a dead heat. If you had to pick two parties, who to be back of? You want to be with the Trump team.

However, in the Senate races, it's not nearly as clear-cut. Lewis and the Brian Kill Me Show on the road. Keep it here. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead.

All right, so the Supreme Court ruled for former President Trump has limited immunity in election interference prosecution, orders the lower court to further review legal and constitutional questions. This is a medium win for the president, former president. The Supreme Court ruled that former president, like Donald Trump, can be prosecuted criminally for unofficial acts while in office. but that a level of immunity exists for their core presidential duties.

So in offering a textured ruling on the limits of executive power, The justices voted on a 6-3 decision. Threw the case back to the federal judge to decide whether Trump's Four felony counts stemming from allegations he schemed to deny President Biden's 2020 election victory meets that criteria. It's unclear how soon any federal court trial. By special counsel Jack Smith would begin as they wait to find out what charges would hold up under this new ruling. The court, in part three of its opinion, indicates that this case in this case, no court has thus far considered how to distinguish between official and unofficial acts.

Now, in my in my uh opinion, That's the key. Number one, they didn't say he has no immunity or absolute immunity.

So they said, yeah, unofficial acts, like an ambassador to Chile. You're there. That's an official act. Don't sue me. This is my this is uh the War Powers Act.

I'm going to go to war. Don't sue me. however, is the january sixth speech. Do you sue him? Because you believe that he started a riot at the Capitol.

Josh Crash Hauer joins us now, Josh Political Insider. Josh, your reaction as we try to interpret the Supreme Court Justice's decision from the best you know.

Well, look, we're going to be Listening more to the legal analysis, but I think it's pretty clear on the political analysis that this is a win for Donald Trump. It it means at the very least that this case is going to go back to The lower court, it means that there's not going to be any kind of trial in the timeframe before the November election. And it probably, I mean, and this is where I'm a little bit, you know, you laid it out really nicely, Brian, but the difference, what is an official and an unofficial act? I think that's the big legal question vis-a-vis the comments and rhetoric on January 6th. I think that is the legal question.

But politically, I don't see how Trump is hurt by this decision. And I think it all but guarantees that we're not going to have a drawn-out legal political fight over January 6th before the November election, at least not one that's going to be taking away from the courts. Right. I want you to hear with Jonathan Churley. Of course, he's still going through the tax.

But I want you to hear what he had to say. But this is obviously a win for President Trump in the sense that the special counsel was arguing, as with the lower court, that there was very little immunity here to be concerned with. The counsel for the government was assuring the court that they really didn't have much to be concerned with here in terms of any changes in the status of the case. That's clearly not what won the day. The court here is saying that we do need lines here drawn to protect presidents, so they have some breathing room.

And you have to sort of wonder how the context affected the justices. I mean, if they want to look at the implications of leaving presidents without protection, they just need to look around the country. Even though Manhattan was not a federal case, it was a political prosecution in the view of many of us that was rather raw and open. And so this is a context that must have concentrated the minds of these justices as they did what Justice Gorsuch said and tried to write for the ages to have something not for this case. but for future cases and future presidents.

So He can be prosecuted for unofficial acts. We just don't know what official and unofficial acts are. I mean, he was President of the United States and gave a speech and that happened. Um you know, and we we we can interpret whatever we wanted, uh marching over pat uh patriotically and peacefully. As opposed to these people are angry and he should have done more.

So Jack Smith's case, at the very least, has to wait for a federal court to rule. And the question is: Josh, who's going to be the federal judge? What court is going to rule? And how much time are they going to need to decide if what Trump's been accused of was an official act? Correct.

And I would think there would have to be more clarification on the prosecution side on putting that now in the context of January 6th, what an official act is. And so I just think this is going to take a very long time to kind of hash out. And boy, the fact that John Roberts is the author of this decision, it it gives it a certain sense of permanence, a certain sense of consensus. Obviously, a 6-3 decision. The center-right conservatives sided with Roberts.

The three Democratic-appointed nominees dissented. But Roberts was trying to find something, as Jonathan Turley pointed out, that could stand the test of time that wasn't really just made for this political moment.

So I think it benefits Trump. I certainly think politically he's had the best. Best week, perhaps, he's had as a candidate and as president. And I think that this timeframe is going to be pushed back. uh, well past the November presidential election of what what what is going to have any effect?

But you know what I believe, Josh? And this is why I'm not willing to say that. I believe that if they get some type of timeline where Jack Smith can go to trial on anything. In September. I don't think he'd cut himself off.

I don't think he'd say, well, it's going to affect an election. Because it's kind of the gentleman's rule, but there's nobody playing by gentlemen's rules, right? That's right, though. My experience with just kind of following all these very contentious and comprehensive cases, there's a lot of things that have to get done before we get to I mean you may be right, Brian, but my impression is from talking to people who have been following this case, who are following the Supreme Court decision, the time frame has moved all the way back to the fall. And I think this is probably going to add a few more few more delays to that process.

All right, here's what Trey Gowdy just said. Josh, let's listen together. It's certainly not a victory for him. I don't even think it's a tie for him. I don't see how you can sort out.

Look, our Constitution is majestically vague about what presidential powers, we know the president has the pardon power, but honestly, Commander-in-Chief, what other powers are there?

So you have express, you have implied, and then you have this word penumbra. What's in the shadows of those express powers? That can only be fleshed out in litigation. The Supreme Court doesn't handle litigation.

So if he wants to proceed on what is unequivocally a private act, he's welcome, I guess, to proceed with that prosecution. But that's still going to take time to assert that it is unequivocally private. This is not a win for Jack Smith.

So it's not an unequivocal win by Jack Smith. It's not like the president's got absolute immunity. But here it is. I'll read the dissent, which was joined by No Surprise Jackson and Kagan, written by Sota Mayor. She says: the majority of my colleagues, this is just an excerpt from it.

The majority of my colleagues seem to have put their trust in our court's ability to prevent presidents from becoming kings. Through this case-by-case application of an indeterminate standards of their new presidential accountability paradigm. I fear that they are wrong, but for all our sakes, I hope that they are right. In the meantime, because the risks and the power the court has now assumed Or Intolerable, unwarranted, and plainly anti-ethical to the bedrock constitutional norms. I dissent.

So there you go. We're cutting on party lines, and people are going to say the Supreme Court is inextricably inextricably political, right? Yeah, and I'm looking at the Biden campaign reaction right now as well. Today's ruling doesn't change the facts. Let's be clear about what happened on January 6th.

Trump snapped as they lost the 2020 election, encouraged a mob to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. I mean, look, the Biden folks are not going to be arguing on the legal campaign. They're going to have to make this argument in the court of public opinion. And it hasn't worked out for them so far as voters, frankly, even though they're concerned about Trump's behavior on January 6th, they also view it as less pressing of an issue than the economy, immigration, crime, you name it. It's faded into the background four years later.

So, you know, Biden wants, I mean, if this is going to have a political impact as far as I'm concerned, it's going to have to happen on the debate stage in September or on the campaign trail. It's not going to happen in a courtroom. The Biden campaign can't rely on the courts to bail them out from a political predicament. All right, uh this just in from Trump. He told talk to Fox News Digital, our own Brooks Singman, he says this.

I've been harassed by the Democratic Party, Joe Biden, Obama and their thugs, fascists and communists for years, and now the courts have spoken. This is a big win for our Constitution and for democracy.

Now, I am free to campaign like anyone else. We are leading in every poll by a lot, and we will make America great again. But Josh, as I was just Listening to Andy McCarthy.

Now I worry about July 11th. And I'm not saying from Trump's perspective, I'm not saying period. I look at this case as the New York case as a total joke. You want to talk about those other cases. You want to talk about the documents.

Should he have taken the documents? It would have been a lot easier. His life would have been a lot easier if he didn't. You want to talk about January 6th, his life would have been a lot easier had he not had that rally. I got it.

But But the case in New York is a total sham. And I worry that this very polit politically minded judge will try to put him in some type of house arrest. or arrest. Do you? I don't know what to expect, but I do think that if The job.

surprised us and sentenced To jail or house arrest. I think given what happened over the last week, it would come across as more politically motivated and more suspicious from a legal perspective. I just think that that would have a very I mean, I think it would actually backfire as a lot of efforts to go after Trump have backfired. I really do think given what happened at the debate on Thursday, given a ruling that's been quite favorable for Trump from the Supreme Court, given the fact that he has momentum, I think anyone paying attention to this race would declare that Trump is the clear favorite to become the next President, given the state of the race. That would color a decision like that in a very, very sinister context.

And I actually think it would be less likely as a result, but you never know what a certain judge is thinking. I'll let you go, Josh. We have a few more minutes. I want to talk about the other side. And again, we'll look into the Supreme Court decision.

It looks like a president does have limited immunity for official acts, 100 percent immunity. But the question is: what's an official act? We're going to find out as this thing gets hashed out, but it's going to be hashed out by a federal judge, and who knows when.

So, Josh, the big push over the weekend was to rehab Biden, in my view. It was for people to say he is fine, leave him alone. I blame his staff. His family blames his own staff. Kyburn says he was overworked.

He was overprepared. The staff blames his staff the family blames the staffers of people like Ron Klein. And Anita Dunn have been there from day one. From Ra uh Anita Dunn's husband, who played Donald Trump during debate prep. Uh What if you put your ear to the ground in Washington as much as anybody?

Where are we going? It's a mess. I mean, Democrats have no good options. They are now decided. Biden is decidedly the underdog in this presidential race against Donald Trump.

No doubt about it. We'll see what the polls show in the coming days. But And if the day look, the conversations were held over the weekend. I talked to a lot of Democrats that are just anxious as heck. But they don't wanna Basically, undermine Biden.

If they pull the fire alarm, so to speak, and say, Biden, get out of there. We need someone more credible to be. The nominee, that creates all kinds of downside risks for the Democratic Party. You could have a civil war over the two ideological wings of the party. You'd have an argument over whether Kamala Harris is the right number two choice or whether you should go with someone younger and more politically talented.

It would create all kinds of downside risks.

So, at the very least, with Biden, and he's not going anywhere, by the way, he sounds like his family is doubled down on him running. And so, I don't even think it's going to be a question. But even if even if there was some possibility there, if he stepped aside, you could see the party fall apart. And at the very least, Biden is the vehicle for the anti-Trump coalition, even though. Um not a very good vehicle to run an 81-year-old uh who's gonna be closer to ninety than eighty at the end of his term.

That's something the Democratic Party should have realized a year ago. This is not uh complicated. Like having someone that old running for a second term uh was was political su was political politically self-destructive. And um they've made their choice, they made their bed and now they're having to live with it. And I think Democrats are solely realizing that.

They don't have any good options. I think they realize that the safest Um Less risky bet is to just go ahead with Biden and hope that Trump will be the vehicle in which Democrats can rally behind the sitting president. All right. I do want you to hear Jamie Raskin begins to talk honestly and then checks himself. I want to share this with you.

Cut one. There are very honest and serious and rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party. One thing I can tell you is that, regardless of what President Biden decides, our party is going to be unified, and our party also needs him at the very center of our deliberations and our campaign. And so, whether he's the candidate or someone else is the candidate, he is going to be the keynote speaker at our convention. He will be the figure that we rally around to move forward.

So Yeah, we're thinking about getting rid of them, but if not, we really need them. And we love him. But unless we toss him to the side of the road, right? Oh, my God. I mean, look, by the way, that was often I don't know if that was what Jamie Raskin intended to say, but every other surrogate for the Biden campaign, from Governor Moore in Maryland to Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, everyone on the Sunday shows were doubling down on behalf of Biden.

So that was the one sign of independent thinking from Jamie Raskin. But look, I think the conversations after the panic on Friday were held, and they realized that any alternative options would be potentially worse. I mean, maybe, now, look, you would make that, I guess, if the party had the ability to make a decision, and it's really up to Biden, so they don't really have that. Say, but if they did, you would basically have to kind of pull the fire alarm if you concluded that Biden had literally no chance of winning. Um the fact that we're getting The fact that we're close to that point that Democratic Party leaders now worry that their chances of winning this election are very, very low.

that Biden may have disqualified himself from from the debate performance. It shows you how bad things are are getting. 'Cause you don't you don't you don't blow up a ticket in in the summer with a month or so before the convention unless things have gotten that bad. That you've hit rock bottom and you feel like you just don't have any other place to go to have a chance at winning this election. Absolutely.

Josh, it was great riding this news with you and then getting your incident analysis as well. Josh Trashauer, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. All right. Listen, when we come back, we'll wrap up this hour.

You're listening to the Brian Kill Me Show. It's Brian Killmead. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Welcome back.

So, the Supreme Court declined to rule. On a few things. They also said when it comes to the First Amendment and the crackdown. We are going to put that on hold. The Supreme Court didn't like that case.

When it comes to immunity, they gave the former president partial immunity and every other president partial immunity from your official acts. The question is: what's an official act? The Supreme Court has weighed in on a 6-3 decision. And the fact that John Roberts wrote it shows he fully backs it, writing the dissent, Sauda Mayor. She's upset about it, and she says that the majority really has no fear.

Of any type of president becoming a king. He says, I hope they're right, but she thinks they're wrong.

So that's where we stand on that ruling. And that was the big news. The Supreme Court's done, and here we are on July 1st. They're going to call it a summer. And they'll be in the middle of controversy for the first time in my lifetime, because people don't like the fact that Republicans have appointed the last three Supreme Court justices, and it has been Donald Trump.

And what Joe Biden began to do stopped because he stopped being able to really speak coherently. He was going to say, listen, you do not want Donald Trump to appoint the next Supreme Court justice. And that's what will happen if he takes over.

Well, the answer is you do. And I think Justice Thomas will retire soon. Will that be a conservative? I'm sure Trump will look to do that. But if he wants to get people approved, He's got to have a Republican Senate.

If of course he's got to win. And he's got to get the majority. And if you look at the Senate right now, Dave McCormick down by six, a great candidate, down by about six to Casey in Pennsylvania. Will Biden be a drag on that ticket? If you look at John Tester, he's up by four.

He's up by four against Tim Sheehee over in Montana. That's another one to look to flip. If you look at Mike Rogers, he's likely to get the nomination on the Republican side in Michigan. How is he going to do? Right now he is trailing the likely Republican, the Democratic candidate.

And then, if you add in also Sherard Brown, the most vulnerable, WHIO listeners know about him. Most vulnerable, he's pretending to be a moderate. People got to get to know Bernie Moreno. They only know him in the northern part of Ohio. If he works hard, he should close the gap.

Willie, will he use Biden's faltering to get momentum to get the Senate? If Donald Trump wins, he's going to count on it. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City. Always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmead.

Welcome to the latest moment to the Brian Killmead Show. Thanks so much for being here. I come to you from Fargo, North Dakota. The studios of KTGO, it's the flagged family of let me come in here. This place is wonderful, beautiful.

The people are fantastic. AM 1090, you know, I went on the road to interview Governor Doug Bergham. He could be the running mate of Donald Trump. If not, he's going to play a pivotal role.

So I went and came up and. uh and did a feature up here and had a chance to spend a day and a half and it's just uh fantastic So in a matter of moments, you're going to speak you're going to hear from Douglas Murray. If you've been seeing him online, he's been going internationally on the debate stage, taking on all comers when it comes to Israel and Ukraine and the West. were a role in this world. I've been trying to catch up to him on One Nation.

I finally did on Saturday. I got the unedited interview coming your way. You're going to love it.

Meanwhile, the big news is. The Supreme Court is done after today. And they have made a ruling when it comes to the President, any President's immunity when it comes to prosecution. And they have ruled that Donald Trump has immunity from criminal prosecution over some actions he took as president. Uh they also say that Any president's official acts, whether you're an ambassador or you have a policy, you are immune from prosecution.

But it's the unofficial acts which are going to be the challenge. They have left that out in a 6-3 decision. They have given partial immunity to a president, whether it's Trump or a President down the line or Biden when he retires. Got it. The question that has to be decided by a federal court.

as it gets kicked down again, is what is an official act. And they're going to say, was he subverting an election in 2020 by having that rally? Was he doing that by trying to find out about the Electoral College and what was really going on in some of these controversial battleground states? It complicates Jack Smith's effort to get the President to trial before Election Day.

Now, In theory, Jack Smith shouldn't care if it goes to election day. He should be out for justice. Instead, he's out to eliminate Trump. It has not worked. In fact, the convicted Trump is more powerful than the indicted Trump.

And now those indictments lay in wait.

So far, it looks as though this is a victory for the present who weighed in on Truth Social. He seems happy, talks about being harassed by Obama, Biden, and others, and the Democratic Party. And so far he's prevailing. He talked about how well his polls are doing it. And we have not even gotten a poll since the debate.

Meanwhile, Douglas Murray. is one of them Smartest guys I know. And he is somebody that I think you should hear from.

So here's my interview. with Douglas Murray. Your thoughts about China's threat on America. They say the right things, leader to leader, but their actions tell a different story. What's your read?

Well, that's absolutely right, Brian. What the Chinese Communist Party relies on is the fact that it can do almost anything it wants, and the rest of the world either doesn't care or is worried to care, because if they do care, then they're going to be punished fiscally, among other things, if not militarily, by China. The CCP has an extraordinarily free reign at the moment in the globe. There's only one power on earth that can stand up the Chinese Communist Party, and that's the United States of America. But you mentioned earlier on the response of all the most influential accounts on the Chinese version of Twitter and those accounts that are allowed on Twitter, talking about the hopelessness of the US presidential debate and that it demonstrated that democracy doesn't work and much more.

The CCP and its goons get an enormous amount out of all of this. They reflect on every single one of the failings in the West's Societies. And all the time, of course, they run one of the most oppressive regimes on earth, one of the most jingoistic, militaristic, and land-grabbing regimes on earth. And it's I I wonder often what it'll take for the world to notice the CCP and what it's doing. At the moment, the world seems to just be looking down at its feet.

Douglas, you know what we need is back to my original thought in the open. We need a leader. We need a leader to define exactly who our enemy is and what they're doing. And you could rally people around a clear series of sentences to outline our enemy. We're great at rallying when we have to.

And you, I've been watching, because you haven't been in the studio, but you've been traveling around the globe taking on a formidable debate after debate, trying to do the right thing, and taking on people on the most controversial issues, like the war in Ukraine, like the war in Israel. And for some reason, the world needs to know who the good guys are. Here's a little of you on the debate stage or letting your feelings be known. Watch. I don't think there's any law of war that says you can start a war and then when you begin to lose it, you say let's pretend we didn't start it.

And I was with the Ukrainian armed forces when they were retaking land from the the Russians and nobody was saying All hold on. Don't win too much. Everyone was egging them on. Gideon said an appalling thing just there, that this is not about annihilation. One of the heads of Hamaz, twenty twelve, kill them all, all the Jews, don't leave a single one, ladies and gentlemen, from what I've seen, which you scorn because you are an armchair journalist.

I'll tell you what I've seen. When Yahya Sinois said that we want to rip the hearts out of the Jews, it wasn't rhetoric. They did it. They mean it. I love that you're making these statements.

I'm shocked at how few people understand it. What are you finding when you start debating the Ukraine war and whose side to be on when it comes to Israel and Gaza?

Well, I'd say that it's a first principles issue on all of this. Can anyone in the world, can the NATO powers, America, America's allies, allow a terrorist proxy group like Hamas to exist beside the state that it invaded last October? I'd say not. I'd say that everything in the world has to be spent attention-wise and more trying to eliminate Hamaz and taking the responsibility to where the responsibility lies in that case, which is Qatar and Iran. But all of this is avoidable if America has a deterrence and if America is seen as capable of deterring its opponents and its competitors and its rivals.

And I think that there are lots of what-ifs you can do. But if Vladimir Putin thought that he was going to fall from power, albeit significant risk of losing in Ukraine, he wouldn't have started the war. And it's the same with Hamaz. Hamaz's leaders are in some ways psychologically different because they're, you know, they're jihadists and suicidalists. They want to take the world with them.

But if Hamaz and its masters in Tehran and Doha actually realize that if you invade Israel and take hundreds of hostages and kill more than a thousand people, that this risks everything falling in Tehran on Doha, then I don't think it would have happened. And there's one other thing I have to say very quickly, Brian. You saw this in the debate on Thursday night, but. President Trump raised the fact that an American journalist, our colleague Evan from the Wall Street Journal, is still in custody after more than a year in Moscow with these trumped-up charges that Putin has leveled at him. Look at the five American hostages, as well as the more than 100 Israeli hostages, who are still, as I speak, in captivity in Gaza.

Why has there not been more outrage from the American administration? Why are people not concerned about this? In 1979, 1980, this was what people ran on. Don't you dare steal American hostages, or we will tear up the earth to get them out. Why do we not have that camp conversation now?

In the fact that we don't demonstrate a horrible weakness. We shut it down, we double our defense budget, we have a bigger military presence, and we show we're willing to use it. It would solve a lot of problems. Douglas Murray, thanks so much. That was Douglas Murray.

I love that guy. Can't wait for his book. Coming up next, Sportscaster Extraordinaire from Sportscasting Royalty. Kenny Albert. Don't move.

You listen to the Brian Kill Me Show. You're with Brian Kilmead Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back, everybody. I had a chance here in North Dakota to talk to Kenny Albert.

Now, Kenny Alberts from Sportscasting Royalty. His dad is Marv Albert's Uncle Steve and Al. He grew up just loving sports, and he became an outstanding sportscaster in his own right. That's why he wrote a book, a brand new book called A Mic for All Seasons. It really is a handbook on how to work hard to achieve your dreams.

He wrote it as the subtitle being My Three Decades Announcing the NFL, NHL, NBA, Major League Baseball, and the Olympic, which, by the way, are coming up this summer. Here's my interview with Kenny. Great to be here, Brian. Thanks for inviting me back, and thanks so much for all the book promotion you've done for me as well. Oh, yeah, the book is excellent.

Especially if you're looking to get into broadcasting, you've got to pick it up as a handbook. They should be doing this in colleges, too. You did for a while do talk radio, right? On sports radio, WFAN. I worked behind the scenes with WFAN for a couple of years during my college days.

I did some on-air work for them, some reporting from various sporting events. Did some talk radio, sports radio in Baltimore as well. During the early portion of my career, I was calling minor league hockey, and the station that the games were on asked myself and a couple of others if we would do a sports talk show.

So I did that for about a year. It was a lot of fun. It's so much different than what I'm used to with play-by-play, but it was always a lot of fun to do radio. And it really brings you back to the fundamentals of what we all learned during our early days in the business. To me, you're the perfect guy to do a sports radio because you don't even know how much you know.

But when you get a call from somebody that's like, yeah, what's with the Canucks? Or, you know, what's the problem with the Met? You know, you tap into this knowledge. Oh, let me tell you what the problem was with this guy. When I walked into the locker room, this is what happened.

And you were able to observe a lot of things. For example, if you do baseball, you go to the batting practice. You know, you go into the locker room after the game, let alone covering it. That type of knowledge is what the listener wants, don't you think? Stuff they can't get.

Absolutely. And I give folks who do talk shows a lot of credit, sports talk shows, because they have to have that general knowledge of every sport. I'm following all sports. I'm reading hours and hours every day. But I'm also focusing primarily on the teams that I have coming up.

So I have a tremendous knowledge of those teams. But if you're doing a talk show, you have to follow everything throughout the days, the weeks, the year.

So those folks all do a terrific job. But growing up, you're like me, it was 9761313 SportsPhone, and they just did a book on SportsPhone. How many people came through there? I worked there for probably three or four years, and it was great training. You got to get through a sportscast in 57 seconds in Chicago and 59 seconds in Detroit.

And then it's all in three separate booths. And then New York, I think, was 57 seconds or 58 seconds. You were a caller, right?

So I never worked at Sports Phone. I have so many friends that didn't work at Sports Radio, yeah. I have colleagues in the business, friends who all came up. A lot of great broadcasters, Hall of Fame broadcasters who worked at Sportsphone. I'm sure you were there.

Al Troutwig. You were there with a lot of them, I'm sure. Al Troutwig, Michael Kay, Howie Rose, Gary Cohen, John Giannone, Rich Ackerman, and so many others. I was a caller. I used to race home from high school on Long Island, and at 3:20.

The Quickie Quiz So this is in the mid eighties, like 83 through 87. And they gave away prizes. I remember winning sports books and tickets to games and. I would cheat sometimes, as I'm sure others did. You know, I had certain record books and team guides available, but you had to be really quick.

You had to know where to look.

So I was a pretty frequent winner of the quickie quiz. And my parents would get the phone bill and it was, I think, 10 cents a call, but you might call like 15 or 20 times a day.

So it certainly added up.

So a lot of people would look at, for example, Bronnie James, son of LeBron James. They look at Steph Curry and they see Del Curry and they would say, you know, listen, your dad's in the NBA. Why would you try to choose basketball? Did you ever say to yourself, as you love sports and you were setting up your own little radio station in your room, why would I try to get in the same profession as my dad? He might be the best play-by-play guy ever.

Why didn't that intimidate you? You know, it's funny. There's really nothing else I ever wanted to do aside from play-by-play. I did a lot of writing back in high school and college for the various newspapers, school newspapers, town papers covering sports. And that was fun.

And I think that was a great learning experience. Doing interviews, for example, for print publications led to a lot of the skills that you have to use on radio and television. But I was four or five years old, and I remember my parents gave me a tape recorder for my birthday, a toy tape recorder, and I started setting up my room like a studio. I had the the desk and then the bed in the middle and the T V on the other side and I would I would call games and I would watch and listen to the games he was working and my uncles and other announcers. We didn't have cable T V until I was about 17, so I was a big radio listener.

And I would listen to hockey, basketball, baseball, football. you know, all of the New York teams, and there weren't as many games on television back then. And it it's really it's it's All that I ever wanted to do, and I would start tagging along with him to Knicks games, Rangers games. He did the six-year-olds. It was a great time to bond with you, Dad, too, who was working all the time.

Right. He did the six and eleven sports at WNBC my entire childhood.

So he was rarely home during the week. When I was. Home and awake. You know, he would get home late at like midnight or 12:30, and I was asleep, and then I'd wake up for school, and he was sleeping.

So, Um a lot of when I saw him On weekends, if he was home, he was working a lot. But I would go to the games and go to WNBC and have such great memories and really learn via osmosis, watching the preparation that goes into it. There are so many professions, whether it's doctors, lawyers, whose kids grew up around it, and that's what they wind up doing.

So, Kenny, is it safe to say you're not in competition with your dad? You didn't have to be better. You didn't have to work more sports, but you are arguably got the same workload. How many sports do you do all five major sports a season? I think.

Growing up around it, I guess it's in the DNA, the variety of sports. I've always enjoyed the variety. He did. basketball for Probably 50 years hockey for the next Knicks and then national games. He did Rangers radio for a long time, 30 years.

He did NFL football with NBC and then CBS later on. He did boxing on NBC. He hosted baseball pregame shows.

So that's what I grew up around. And I was lucky enough in high school. Um, Cox Cable of Great Neck, which is a neighboring town, happened to come to my school in 10th grade to film a girls' basketball game. And I volunteered. I raised my hand.

They didn't have any announcers. I was there covering the game for the school paper. And the producer, the late Roy Menton, gave me a tremendous opportunity. I called him the next day, and for the next three years in high school, I was doing I don't know if I ever did any massive pequeu games where you grew up, but I you know, Greatneck, Manhasset, Roslyn, all of the neighboring towns, right? I would bring friends along as color analysts, and we would do so many different sports and college football and basketball at the U.S.

Merchant Marine Academy in Kings Point. And I felt like I had such a head start. Back then, high school students couldn't really do that. Nothing beats experience. I mean, you could sit there all you want.

You know, you got the reps. And back then, there weren't really programs until college.

Now, high school students do have a lot of opportunities. But those three years were invaluable. Two years working minor league hockey were invaluable, just getting the reps, working many of those games alone. My uncles also did a variety of sports. They both did basketball, hockey, boxing.

See, I love Steve, your uncle Steve Albert on boxing. He's writing a book too. He's coming out with a book. Right. I always thought he couldn't be nicer, guys.

Like, I met your dad when I interned at NBC, and I'm thinking to myself, he's going to blow me off. And instead, he said, What are you up? What are you up to? Are you making sure you go to that radio station at LIU? CW Puzzle, I go, Yeah, he goes, That's who's going to do it.

What else can I help you with? I go, I can't believe how nice a guy this guy was. And I had a chance to talk to Letterman II there. Just an interesting time. That's still a place when you walk into NBC.

Don't you feel like you're going into a broadcasting museum? I used to love just sitting in his office, and I would help. I would go rip off the wire copy. I loved using the copy machine. And when you talk about his advice to you, I just heard him on the radio the other day.

They celebrated how he rose 50 years in broadcasting on WFAN. And Howie, when he was fourteen years old, Uh wrote a letter to my father, who was working at WHN Radio at that time. And how he started the Marv Albert Fan Club at the age of 14. And he would call him on the phone and he would give him advice and Howie had him on the show the other night, you know, how many years later? 55, 60 years later.

And they were talking about those days when they used to have those chats. More of my sit-down with Kenny Albert right after this, including his take on Tom Brady's broadcasting future. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Gilmead. Welcome back, everyone. Kenny Albert, my guest, but I want to bring to one great moment where he called a play-by-play on that people talk to him about.

It's Rangers Blue Jays. Kenny was on this call. This home run broke a 3-3 tie and gave the Blue Jays a 6-3 lead. They want to win the game and the series. And everyone was talking about the bat flip by Jose Batista afterwards.

Listen to this drama. Kenny, that's Jose Batista, the bat flip, three-run homer, broke a 3-3 tie, gave the Blue Jays a 6-3 lead, and they would go on to win the game and the series, Rangers versus Blue Jays. You know, it's so funny. I've worked nearly 500 NFL games, which is so hard to believe. thousands of NHL games.

Baseball And basketball are the two sports, uh, you know, that I that that As far as the number of games, it's not close to what I've done in football and hockey. But that game, that call, that's the one I get asked about the most when I'm at sports casting camps that I speak at throughout the summer on interviews. It was an iconic moment in Toronto. It was a playoff game. Bautista with the home run and bat flip.

And for whatever reason, that's the one call that I get asked about more than any others. And in those moments when you know the game's tied, something's going to happen here. Do you think to yourself in your head, okay, I got to make this next call count? Or are you thinking to myself, where's the pitch? Where's the swing?

Where's the ball? What are you thinking in your head? There was just something about that game. It was the fifth game, fifth and final game of the series. It was a late afternoon in Toronto in the Dome.

But there was just this this energy, this tension. It wasn't the World Series, it was the first round, the divisional series, but A lot of weird things happened in that game. There there were some uh crazy plays. We had to explain rules on a couple of occasions, really obscure rules that came into play. There were a couple of batters who were hit by pitches.

There was almost an altercation on the field. Fans were throwing, unfortunately, some some water bottles and and other you know, beverage cans. A a child nearly got hit at one point in the stands. But that seventh inning when he hit the home run, I think it was 53 minutes. And there was just this tension.

You could feel that it was building up to a special moment.

So I had great broadcast partners that day, Harold Reynolds and Tom Verducci. And it's just one of those broadcasts when I think back. Definitely in the top five. I worked a Sugar Bowl with Howie Long and Terry Bradshaw. That was another.

one that I never actually but they were both in the booth? They were both in the booth. I know Terry had experienced how he's never been in the booth. Howie had never been in the booth before. Were they good?

We actually it was great. With it we did a couple of rehearsals in the prior weeks Howie had only done studio, so he had to learn the equipment. He had to learn what the talk back button is, the cough button, and they were tremendous. This was back in 2007, it was Notre Dame LSU. Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the quarterbacks, who was a sugar ball.

And when I think back, that was certainly one of the top moments getting to work again with those two legends.

So the Mets are playing the Yankees, and someone made a comment. I don't want to put you on the spot, that the Mets have the best booth in baseball. Why? Ron Darling's a genius, Yale graduate, and Keith Hernandez, former teammate, is as smart as any player. And it's reflected itself in the booth in Harry Rose on TV.

And they said the best booth in baseball.

Well, the problem is the Yankees think they're the best at everything. Here's Michael Kay, who does the play-by-play for the Yankees, responding, cut four. We appreciate every single one of the people that spend their money to advertise on the show. And SNY is one of those people. You know, the game's on Yes Tonight, and the game is on SNY.

Their ad, which ran during the last break, enjoy the Subway Series at the best booth in baseball. Do you expect me to just take that line down? I think our booth is the best booth in baseball. What are you on the same?

Well, I mean, but you know who the host of the show is. One of the hosts of the show is. You're going to put that, and I'm supposed to sit there and take it laying down. I'll take O'Neill and Cohn and me. Over Garon and Keith, I would.

I mean, they're great, but so is our booth.

So, I mean, the way you want people to watch is to say, you're in the best booth in baseball. I'm sorry, I think we're the best booth in baseball. What do you think about that? Oh, it's great. I heard that yesterday, and Michael Kaye does a tremendous job on the Yankees.

He does his ESPN radio show, as we just heard with. Danny I Yellows. Right, right, exactly. With Don Legreca and Peter Rosenberg. And Don's one of my colleagues on Rangers, so I know him really well.

No, it was funny. Is it funny, or do you think he's ticked? I think a lot of it's probably talk radio stick. Um Everybody thinks they're the best, right? You think you have the best radio show?

I think Hopefully I'm one of the best at what I do.

So, just to give the background, so Michael's show is on ESPN Radio. Daily, but it's simulcast on the Yes network, the Yankees network, SNY, which is the Mets network. I guess by his advertising on his show on ESPN radio.

So he had to hear that.

So he had to hear that.

So his partners were joking around and. You know, you mentioned the Mets guys, Gary Cohen and Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez. They do an unbelievable job. As do Michael and his partners.

Now it's more of a rotating cast with the Yankees. It's Paul O'Neill and John Flaherty and Joe Girardi. And David Cohn and Ken Singleton, I think, still does, or at least has done games in recent years. Um So, the Mets, it's more of a set crew. The Yankees, it's a bit of a rotating group, but they all do a terrific job.

Right. So, the other thing is. Everything's changing because the only thing you can count on is really sports. With everything changing, this is streaming. The Apple's got this, Amazon's got this.

Well, we'll go to the movie theater. I'm not going to the movie theater, I could see it at home.

So, the movie theaters are in trouble. Looking at a lot of the cable channels, they're in trouble. But you know what's not in trouble? Sports. Because people want to see it, they want to see in real time.

No delay a game. Uh, you know, but uh, also it's gambling. Gambling's big into sports.

So it's always going to be the most valuable property. And I'm just wondering, when you watch ESPN today, I don't know if I love it because it seems to be, in some ways, forced takes on everything with people that don't go to the locker rooms, that don't review the tapes. This quarterback is terrible. This guy's awful. This coach has to be fired.

Well, did you walk in the locker room? Have you spent time with him? Used to be the beat riders that say there's a rumor that's happening.

Now we're hot takes back and forth. Are you comfortable with that? And so much has changed. You know, when we were growing up, Um, it was it was the network channels, a couple of local channels in New York, right? We had five, eleven, nine, and thirteen, and then the three networks, uh, cable.

Really came into prominence in the mid-80s when we were both around high school and college age. You know now You can watch any game on your phone, on your iPad, on your computer. You can watch the highlights. I don't even know if kids these days are watching full games. I don't think they're watching Sports Center.

Like they used to. Right, because you can get the highlights on your phone. You're getting the alerts. I used to have to call sports phone, 976-1313, to get scores. Then I would listen to 10-10 wins on the radio at 15 and 45.

Then Sports Talk Radio, WFAN, came into play in 1987. You know, as far as your question, and I'm biased towards the networks I work for: Fox, NFL, and baseball, and NHL on TNT now. Many years with NBC and I'm involved in the Olympics for NBC. I've never really worked for ESPN. I did two hockey games for them back in the back in the mid-1990s, but And it's not only SPN.

Fox FS1 has a lot of these similar shows with the hot tanks. And I guess people are watching, right? If they're getting the ratings and paying some of these hosts, you know, we've seen some of the numbers recently. But let me ask you: if Kenny Albert watching this, and you see people critical of players that you know, and maybe you feel listening to something that says, there's no way this is accurate. Right.

Everybody has an opinion these days, right? And you're okay with that? And. You know, I don't know if you're not. They're people of you.

I don't necessarily watch a lot of those shows on a consistent basis. I'm usually watching A lot of games, you know, the teams that I have coming up, preparing for my games. When I'm home or in the car, I do listen to sports radio a lot, but I don't necessarily keep a heavy eye on a lot of those type shows on the T V side.

So there was a blowback a few years ago, just what politics and what athletes are doing, and then with the George Floyd things popped up, and we see a lot of it bleeding into Sports Center and Fox Sports One and things like that. And Stephen A. Smith was talking the other day on Rich Eisen's podcast and was talking about the change at the top of ESPN and what they told the personalities, Cut Five. I don't knock Jimmy Petaro and ESPN for doing this one bit. When Jimmy Petaro arrived around 2017, 2018.

He wanted us to veer away from politics, and he was absolutely right because it was hurting the network and things of that nature. I completely supported him then. I completely support him now. When you tune in to ESPN, that's what you're looking for and whatever. But in the same breath, we're not monolithic people.

We have an abundance of ideas and passions and interests that we like to touch on that fuels our spirit and our soul on a lot of different levels. And when you don't see me talking about those things, It's primarily because I'm appeasing the bosses and the network that I work for. It's not because I'm running from it, because I'm not scared.

So, your thoughts about seeing the politics, I know you saw it like we saw it. You know, we were covering this, and you saw the taking the knee during the national anthem. Here you are trying to call a game, and then the story was before the game started. Who's kneeling? Why is one team in the locker room during the national anthem?

What are your thoughts about this? Right, that was certainly an interesting time. Um Did you say to yourself, I have an opinion, Kenny Albert, but I should keep it to myself? The one thing we've always been told on the play-by-play side and I remember, you know, back in the early days doing NFL games and then Getting into some of the other sports as well. The philosophy for the most part.

for those of us who call games is that When people sit down to watch an NFL game, for example, on a Sunday or or a hockey game on a on a Wednesday night. Um this is their leisure time.

So for us as play-by-play and color analysts, Um the game is the focus. And my job is to call the game. You know, obviously, during some of the situations that you talked about, we would carry the national anthem and we would certainly show. uh what was happening and and presented as fact. but wouldn't necessarily necessarily interject.

A personal opinion because we're not doing a talk show. We're there to cover a game. Right, but it it was very hard to uh ignore some of it, don't don't you think? I mean, then you talk about the division on a team because half the team was sitting down. Why aren't you taking a knee?

And then we saw that thing with the with the Pittsburgh Pirates offensive lineman, who was a Navy SEAL, I think. Oh, right. And uh, the Pittsburgh SEAL offensive lineman, and they said, Why are you not taking a knee? He's like, I don't do that. I'm not going to do it.

So that was a one crazy time. Are we over it? Do you notice people taking a knee still? Because I haven't seen it. To be honest, I haven't really noticed it.

Over the last couple of years. All right. Love talking sports. Coming up next. We know how Tom Brady does on the football field.

How do you think he's going to do in the broadcast booth? What does it say so far about his preparations? Kenny knows about his new colleague, and he'll update us on what he thinks will happen with the Patriot superstar right after this. It's Brian Killmead. A talk show that's real.

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As I mentioned, Kenny Albert's book came out right when Israel was hit with this horrific attack on October 7th, so he kind of put the publicity on hold when he had a chance in between games and seasons in hockey and NBA. And Major League Baseball. I said, Kenny, you got to come into the studio. And that's what he did. Here's my final segment with Kenny Albert, talking about his book, A Mike for All Seasons, as we talk about what his new season in football is going to be like.

Tom Brady in the booth. We talked about this on One Nation a little bit, but I was really impressed. I've talked to people. He showed up at a few UFL games with Eric Shanks, and you don't show up at a UFL game if you're the best player ever unless you really care. He wanted to get the feel of the atmosphere, and I'm sure he did a little bit of a practice broadcast.

What do you hear? Because you've been, you know, we remember a lot of great players: Joe Namath, Joe Montana. Did Monten make a great transition to broadcasting? What are you hearing? I've heard that he's working really, really hard and wants to be among the best.

I've read some quotes from him. I've talked to some people who Um we'll be working with them during the upcoming season behind the scenes and Um You know, when I think about Guys recently Uh if you watch the Manning cast, for example, with Eli and Peyton Manning. Uh Troy Aikman, Tony Romo. Troy's had an unbelievable career with Fox and now ESPN, Tony Romos. The number one guy at CBS has done some Super Bowls.

There was a lot of fanfare when he first started, and he was predicting a lot of plays correctly. Um but the quarterbacks the common thread is is is just Amongst most of them, most of the great ones. just how hard they work, their football IQ. uh the way they study as players and then Those that get into broadcasting it translates over. I worked a couple of games with Troy.

probably 15 years ago, three games and Just saw how hard that he worked at it. And they also see the field. Uh in a different way than players at most other positions because they have to know what everybody's doing.

So When I think back to production meetings that I had when covering a guy like Peyton Manning, he had a photographic memory. He would bring up plays from a game six or seven years ago and remember exactly what happened, what down and distance, who was on the field. Brady, because he was in the AFC for the most part. only worked about six or seven of his games through the years, but Uh a funny story, a couple of years ago, his last season with Tampa. We had a production meeting and it was in Cleveland.

So it was an away game for Brady and the Bucks.

So he didn't really have anywhere to go. He couldn't go home. He was in a hotel room basically.

So he sat with us for about a half an hour and he seemed really relaxed and he had already signed with Fox at that point.

So he was kind of interested in the mechanics of this production meeting. That was right around that time, too. But I said to him, I said, I have a trivia question for you. You've started seven games in your career against the Cleveland Browns. Against seven different Cleveland starting quarterbacks.

How many can you name? I just threw that out at him. And his mind started churning. And I think he got five or six of them.

So he's a student of the game. He's got great people around him.

So I think he'll do a terrific job. We have our Fox NFL seminar. Uh coming up in July. I'm back with Jonathan Villa. Would that be in New York?

That's in L.A. It was in New York for a couple of years back in the day, but it's usually out in Southern California.

So I'm paired with Jonathan Villma once again, former linebacker with the Jets, won a Super Bowl with the Blackboard. University of Virginia, right? University of Miami. Miami. Ronde Barber, my former partner, was UVA, was Virginia.

So. You know, it'll be interesting to see Tom Brady at that seminar interacting with everybody. Usually, one of the keys is don't get too reflective on your own career. Call the play, pick and choose when to add the anecdotes about what you can relate to. Is that correct?

Right. It is good to drop in anecdotes once in a while. For example, Uh when I'm working with Jonathan and we're doing a game involving Sean Payton. his coach in New Orleans, he has great insights about What Sean might be thinking about here.

Now the Denver coach.

Now the Denver coach.

When we did games that Drew Brees was playing in, they were teammates, and they had great battles in practice. He had some terrific stories about some of the competitions that they would have with one another.

So it's really a combination of calling the play, focusing on the game you're calling, but also weaving in some anecdotes because I tell all my color analysts this, There are so many things in their mind that seem obvious to them about the sport, about their teammates, about coaches, that the average fan sitting at home. Has no idea about and loves hearing some of those stories. I I agree with you, especially how he reflects on it, but you said the key is going to be when all the players that he played with and against are gone. Are you going when you don't really know these guys? Are you going to be able to still provide the insight?

That takes the work. In my opinion, That's what happened to Romo. In the beginning, he knew everybody. And, you know, Dick Ebersoll has been quoted as saying, Is he putting the work in still? Because I know he loves the golf.

Right, I wouldn't know. I've never worked with him, haven't really been around. He seems like he's one of the nicest guys. I've only met him like three or four times. One of the nice guys you're going to meet.

A lot of times I look at the game, I'm like, this guy's not helping me. You know, I just need to know what they picked out of the meetings that's going to be happening. Yeah, everybody has their personal preference, you know, whether it's the play-by-play, the color analyst. You know, one thing I will say, getting back to Clive Frazier for a second. And basketball is a different sport.

The way it's analyzed. Um, you know, football you hear from the analyst after every play. But basketball and hockey, it's such a quick flow, so the analyst is only coming in every couple of plays. But Clyde, for example, he hasn't played in 50 years. But he still has such a keen knowledge of the game.

He watches so many other games, watches colleagues. Watches the warm-ups, too. Watches the warm-ups and just picks up on little things. Great time sitting down with Kenny Albert. If you want to hear the full interview, unedited, straight through, we posted as a podcast on BrianKillmeatShow.com.

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