Debate Disaster: "The race is over" "We're f---ed"

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. I have one, Brian Kilmey here. Thanks so much for being here. I knew this was going to be a big show.

I didn't know how big it would be after watching that debate late last night. The slow-motion train wreck, which didn't shock me as much as it did the rest of the country, I guess.

So I've been on since 5 a.m. on Fox and Friends, being able to analyze it, staying up till 11:30 last night, up at 2:30 to get back in here. And then I quickly said, you know, before I go to bed, let me, you know, I know roughly how Sean Hannity would feel and Britt Yume would analyze, but I thought, let me flip around. And I was stunned. Because there was full out panic.

about the performance of President Biden over the course of 90 minutes. Flight out panic.

Now let me see. You had a president who said, I want a debate. I want it in a studio. I don't want an audience. I'm going to decide how many minutes you can talk and how many minutes you can respond.

I'm going to make sure the press will not be there. There'll be two breaks. There'll be no notes. Mr. Trump, will you agree to that?

He says yes. Game on. Got everything he wanted. But I did not expect him to get this result. After ten days of cramming, he walked out like he was a mummy and he whispered as if he was in the library.

I couldn't even make out what he said, and as I brought up earlier, I need a miracle here. to really fully understand what was going on. Mark Thiessen in studio. If you're watching the feed, you've seen him. Columnist for the Washington Post, speechwriter for George W.

Bush, Fox News contributor. Mark, where do we start?

So here's the thing. The Democrats are I I've been I've been I I admit as well that I've been looking at the other other networks and enjoying their meltdown. Surprised? Not surprised.

So here's the thing. They're in panic mode because they're going to lose. They're not actually being honest. It's it's it they they they were lying to us for months. These are the guys who are pushing the cheap fakes line for months and months and months until he's, oh, really, behind the scenes, he's much brighter.

And all these clips are taken out of context. And don't believe your lying eyes, America. And then, you know what? We got to see behind the scenes. We got to see what Joe Biden is like in a 90-minute meeting.

And guess what? It's scary. But I'll tell you what, the meltdown right now going on about whether he should step aside as a Democratic nominee. We should be talking about whether he should step aside as president. Not since Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and Edith Wilson was running the country.

Have we had this kind of a constitutional crisis? Remember how everyone was talking about the 25th Amendment and how Trump's cabinet should meet and remove him from office because he was unfit for the presidency? I'm sorry. If there was ever a moment when the 25th Amendment applied, it's this. That guy on that stage has the nuclear codes.

The nuclear code. Who is deciding to cut off aid to Israel, to suspend arms shipments? Who's deciding what weapons Ukraine can use and can't have and what how they can use them? Who is making these decisions? It's not him.

So let's hear a little if you missed it last night, and very few of the 73 million that probably watched missed it, but just to review some of the moments that stand out, cut seventeen. That $2 trillion tax cut benefited the very wealthy. What I'm going to do is fix the tax system. For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America. I mean, billionaires in America.

If they just paid 24%, 25%, either one of those numbers, they'd raise $500 million, billion dollars, I should say, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with Mm-hmm. What? Mm-hmm. We finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden.

Thank you, Jay Tapper. You just saved him, or else he'd still be trying to get a word out. Yeah. I think President Trump should have just said. No, please finish your plot.

Ah! Right, good. But what he said was great right after. Here we go. This is what he said right after cut 18.

He's right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death, and he's destroying Medicare because all of these people are coming in. They're putting them on Medicare. They're putting them on Social Security.

They're going to destroy Social Security. This man is going to single-handedly destroy Social Security. These millions and millions of people coming in, they're trying to put them on Social Security. He will wipe out Social Security. He will wipe out Medicare.

So he was right in the way he finished that sentence. And it's a shame. Killing the mics in between. I forgot when that was got to kill the mics. That was got to make sure.

That never happened to Trump. And we said this originally. I think you were on. And I said, wait a second. I think this works.

And you know who said it yes two days ago? Chuck Todd. Who made up these rules? Yeah. No, 100%.

It was the best thing that ever happened to Trump because, look, Biden just hung himself. He didn't need Trump to intervene in it. And You could see Trump getting angry at some of the stuff that Biden was saying, but he just quieted and let him speak because the mics were turned off. I could have seen if the mics were on, he might have jumped in a couple of times and gone after him. And maybe we would have never heard that line right there if the mics hadn't been turned off.

So I'm going to let you hear some of the media reaction because a lot of people only listen to Fox, and that's fine. I listen to everything. You watch everything too, right?

So this thing ends within a minute. We do it so they don't have to. Right, yeah. But it makes the radio show better when I bring it up, actually. It gets people angrier in exercise.

So just this is within a minute when it's over. This is CNN uh to MSNBC, cut one. There is a real concern here tonight that there's been some real damage done that cannot be undone. There is no two ways about it. That was not a good debate for Joe Biden.

That was painful. He didn't do well at all. Uh He did not do well at all. I think there's a lot of people who are going to want to see him. consider Taking a different course now.

There's a reason that FDR was never shown in his wheelchair. There's a reason that John F. Kennedy pretended to be a vigorous man when he was certainly not. You can't become president again when America looks at you. And that avatar to them looks broken.

If you're the Biden campaign, I think you wish that this night will be remembered in reverse.

So this goes back to your original point. What are you surprised about?

So why are you surprised? Because we've been saying no press conferences, no interviews. You don't talk to people, period, unless the chopper is behind you. You disappear for weeks on end. There's a reason why.

We're watching them shuffle. We're watching them fall. We're watching them call El Sisi the president of Mexico. Why are you surprised?

So, first of all, I knew John F. Kennedy. John F. Kennedy was a friend of mine. No, his back injury makes him non-vigorous?

Exactly.

So, FDR being in a wheelchair and John F. Kennedy having a bad back is different from a president who is non-copus mentis, who literally is not mentally capable of. I mean, first thing, I think the media ought to be demanding: let's have the whole her interview, the audio. Right now, the special counsel interview that they released the transcript, but they didn't release the audio. I read the transcript.

He sounds terrible in the transcript. Yeah, but I mean, so Bill Clinton released his interviews with the grand jury.

So, why would I mean, no more of this hiding behind closed doors on this stuff? We need a full accounting of this. But look, this man should not be president of the United States. We can't get through the next few months with this man as president of the United States. He is not capable of.

Our enemies are watching this. Exactly.

I mean, if I was the president of China, I'd say, my God, this is my moment of opportunity. The terrorists looking at this, this is my moment of opportunity. The American military is led by a commander-in-chief who can't say a sentence.

So the big question is, does Joe Biden want to stay on the ballot? And the word is he does want to stay on the ballot. The question is, if it gets to August and he's still on the ballot, he's got ninety five percent of the delegates. He picks a lot of the delegates.

So who's if you pick a pick by the President, you gonna go on the floor and turn on the President?

So, what has to happen? What kind of leverage can you use on a guy that, according to people that know him, feels as though the world's against him anyway, his entire career? They never believed in him. They never want to give him a shot. They always diminished him.

And when the critics come from the New York Times gets critical, he's made at the New York Times, by the way. He's not made at Fox. He doesn't talk to Fox, but he's made it at the New York Times. We're made at the Washington Post.

So they're going to unite. him, Hunter, jail, it's gonna be a great it's gonna be a great uh uh huddle. And they're going to unite against it. I don't see them going anywhere. Do you do you?

I think he's going to hold out to the last delegate.

Well, first of all, Joe Biden will never let it and will never let it happen. Obviously, she burned the waffle house. I mean, these people should the people who have allowed this situation to fester are the people who should have been taking care of him and preventing him from being in that situation. The idea that he went out on that debate stage and that they allowed him to do that and they allowed him to be embarrassed like that in front of the entire world, those people have missed him. The people who love him the most have misserved him.

But, second of all, he's not going to get removed because there's no alternative to him.

Okay? No, there's not. You think Gavinusum, Whitmer, Chapiro? No.

So here's the thing. The it Joe Biden is now, if you look at the Real Clear Politics average, 39% approval. His vice president, Kamala Harris, is at 36. She's less popular than he is. The party of identity politics.

That was before the debate. The party of identity politics is not going to kick the first black woman to the curb for a white male. Shapiro is not going to be the nominee. Gavin Newsom is not going to be the nominee. There is no way the Democratic Party is going to replace her at the next in line with a white male.

That's not going to happen. And the second thing is, why is Joe Biden president right now? Because in 2020, he was the least worse choice. He was the only if they could have found a young, vigorous, moderate Trojan horse to bring socialism to America, they would have done it in 2020. They would have found somebody else.

The choice was either Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden. Because everybody else crashed and burned.

So they don't the reason he's president right now is because there was no other alternative to Joe Biden. There's this party has gone so far left The Biden era, what Biden used to be, is gone. I'll tell you a ticket that they could have tomorrow that could actually win the election. Mansion Cinema. If they nominated Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema, and forget no labels as the Democratic nominee, they were both Democrats until they left the party because it's so that, but they'll never nominate anybody like that.

They hate them because they're too centrist, because they're too reasonable, because they're too bipartisan. They want to ram socialism through. And Joe Biden was a convenient Trojan horse that they could, he was a genius, moderate, nice guy, preached unity, and Americans would open the White House gates for him so this moderate, so this Trojan horse would get in, and then all the socialists inside would come running out and take over the White House. And that's exactly what happened. One of the things that I know you love foreign policy so much, and you got the great knowledge there.

When they brought up Afghanistan, he brought up Afghanistan in the middle of an abortion conversation.

So listen to what he said: this outrageous statement, cut 30. The idea that he did something that was significant in the military. You know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan. He didn't do anything about that. When he was president, we were still finding ourselves in a position where you had a notion that we were this safe country.

The truth is, I'm the only president this century that doesn't have any. This decade, there's not any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did. Do you believe it? Does he remember Abbey Gate? Yeah.

Does he remember 13 died and dozens were hurt? By the way, after the Abbey Gate bombing. He stood before the American people and said that we will find you, hunt you down, and we will kill you. The people who did this thing, three years later, he didn't do a damn thing. Yeah, he killed the guy.

He killed a guy that was putting water bottles in the middle of the day and a bunch of children. But he had so three years later, nothing. Why do you think Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine? Because that kind of weakness. That's why.

And Trump was absolutely right to point that out. This would have never, you know. You look at Ukraine. They invaded under Obama and Biden, They did nothing under Trump, and they invaded again under Biden. Why do you think that is?

Weakness. Weakness is provocative. Mark Teethon, stick around, and we come back a little bit more on this, and we'll open up the phones. In fact, I'm going to wear Mark out all hour: 1-866-408-7669. You could try to leave, but you can't.

Back in the morning. Watch me. If you think I don't have the energy level of ment mental acuity, then Then, you know, that's one thing. On the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers. I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence.

I don't think he knows what he said either. Look, covering this election year like no other. It's Brian Kilmead. I'm Guy Benson. Join me weekdays at 3 p.m.

Eastern as we break down the biggest stories of the day with some of the biggest newsmakers and guests. Listen live on the Fox News app or get the free podcast at guybensonshow.com. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead. There is a feeling, I think there was a sense of shock actually, at how he came out at the beginning of this debate, how his voice sounded. About, you know, he seemed a little disoriented.

He did get stronger as the debate went on, but by that time, I think the panic had set in. And I think you're going to hear discussions. That I don't know will lead to anything, but that you know. There is a gun there are gonna be discussion about whether he should continue. Wow.

And with that, David Axelrod, never a fan of Joe Biden, always critical. And Joe Biden said using obscenity to describe David Axelrod when he was being critical of what he has to do in his agenda. Stop talking about the economy because Bidenomics is not working. And then he had an expletive to describe David Axelrod. Mark Thiessen's still with us from the Washington Post, but.

This was minutes after the debate ended. I mean, we've seen a lot of post games. I've never seen a post game like this before. Yeah, so I admit I watched other networks just to enjoy the meltdown because I heard when Dana said that it was happening, I wanted to go and find out for my see it for myself. And I've been doing that.

What's shocking to me Is there surprised? The Did they not see the same cheap fake videos that we all were?

So State of the Union. Yeah, so a State of the Union said he can get up for big events. But the State of the Union was a. I wrote. Three State of the Union addresses.

I that I it's it's a scripted speech. You practice it. You deliver your lawns. You have a teleprompter. There's no tele it was their rules, no notes, no prewritten notes of all.

I mean, first of all, the one, he wanted this. Two, he set the rules. And three, They he spent ten did they not te could they not tell after ten days? Again, first of all, how does the commander-in-chief take ten days off? I mean, put put just put that aside.

It's all the stuff that's happening in the world. We've got wars on two continents going on, and he's taking 10 days off. But over that period, did they not realize that this was going to happen? The Biden White House, you know, they're going around saying Trump lied more than Biden did during the debate. The biggest lie.

Is that this guy was mentally fit for president, and they've been spreading it for months. The left-wing media bought it, the establishment media bought it, and now they're shocked. But here's the thing, Mark. In the middle of this, I looked out at my phone, got an alert. According to Jackie Heinrich finds out that the Biden people said he has a cold.

And then a little bit later, he went to the Waffle House, which is where everybody goes after the debate. And it turns out they have chicken sausages. I mean, I did not know the Waffle House this type of diversity. Wow. So.

He uh he had this to say about his health. when asked uh afterwards Here's what he said. Cut 30. Five. Look folks, what's going to happen over the next couple of days is they're going to be They're going to be out there fact checking all the things he said.

I can't think of one thing he said that was true. Oh, we want to pay for Caesar. But look, we're going to beat this guy. We need to beat this guy. And I need you in order to beat them.

You're the people I'm running for. Cut 34 when asked about his health. I'm surprised how did you perform tonight? I think you did well. Besides, do you have any concerns about your performance?

No, I d it's hard to c hard to debate a liar. New York Times pointed out in A July 26 times. Big lines. I have a sore throat, he said. Yeah.

I'm sick.

Well, first of all. Is that going to be the excuse?

Well, first of all, why didn't they say that beforehand? Oh, by the way, he has a sore throat. Just let you know. It's like that ha as soon as he started speaking and they realized it. First of all, I mean.

Joe Biden is absolutely incompetent, but his staff is just as incompetent, if not more. The fact that they let him do this, they even asked for this debate. I think Trump is right, actually, that what they did was they wanted to be able to offer the debate but not have it, right? Because they thought he wouldn't take the conditions, he wouldn't take the no notes, he wouldn't take the no audience, he wouldn't take the microphone being cut off, and Trump said, Yeah. Brilliant.

Brilliant. And the microphone being cut off, we both agree, was really good. Marketer. Keep it killing. And he didn't even try to talk afterwards.

Just like Mark, you know I got to bump out now. You know not to talk. We don't have to cut you off. But I got more to say. A talk show that's real.

This is the Brian Kill Me Show. I don't think that's an option. The fact that people are talking about it, if it's not an option, only seeks to further weaken the perception, weaken the standing of President Biden. The question is whether you're hearing that it is an option, that there is some violence. It's legal.

I mean, I spoke to an election lawyer. It is legal, and the way it happens is Joe Biden releases his delegates ahead of the convention, and you can't do it on the first vote, but I think on the second vote, they can go somewhere else.

So it is legal. It is possible, and I think when people say it won't happen, it's because they think Joe Biden would never do it for the reasons Joy already articulated. He's the only person. who beat Trump. And he believes, and he has some reason to believe this, that he's the only one who can.

Well, Mark Thiethen's still here with us.

So, the speculation about will he step aside? Can you force him to step aside? The way I understand it, and everyone's just collecting this information now, the Democratic Convention's in August, and it begins on the week of August 19th. 95% of the delegates are committed to Joe Biden already, Mark Teason, and most of them are picked by him, so meaning inherently they're loyal to him.

So you got the 25th amendment, which means you're out of a job now, or you have These delegates saying, Yeah, I like you, Joe. Thanks for selecting me. I can't wait to see Chicago. It seems so safe. I'm going to enjoy the convention, but I can't vote for you unless you want an insurgency amongst the people you put in position.

Look, this is the Democratic nomination, it's not a federal election. Right?

So there's no laws. It's a club. There's no laws. I mean, they used to decide these things in smoke-filled back rooms. They can do it in a climate-compliant back room now.

But if the Democratic Party wants to push Joe Biden, I'm complicating it too much. I just think that if they want to replace him, they can. It's just a question of one, will Joe Biden they need to convince Joe Biden to do it voluntarily, but if they really think that he's going to lose, they might do it by force, and it can be done. Um it's a they it would work it would be ugly. But then th then what happens is you have a democratic civil war because who the hell replaces him?

Because Bernie Sanders and the progressives aren't going to say, Okay, let's let's let Josh Shapiro take over. I mean, put aside that he's a white man. He's known as a moderate. But they're not going to just let some moderate take over. They wanted to, they ran Bernie, right?

They're going to want, they're not just going to stand around and say, okay, let's pick somebody reasonable and moderate to be. You don't do it. You think about it, Mark. Twice, Bernie Sanders was set to get the nomination against Hillary Clinton. They put the fix in.

Remember the former DNC chair of Florida? She put the fix in for Hillary Clinton. And then we watched Bernie Sanders jump out early. Joe Biden was a zero in New Hampshire, a zero in Iowa. They get to South Carolina, and suddenly, I personally don't think Bernie Sanders wanted the nomination.

I don't think he ever wants to run. Oh, that's interesting. I don't ever think that's why he was willing to. But one time he got stabbed in the back.

Next time he got stabbed in the front. And they said, well, you know, if we run you, you're going to lose because nobody really is a socialist outside a little enclave here.

So Joe Biden got the nomination.

So you're telling me that Sanders had, he's 111 now.

Well, it wouldn't be Sanders personally, but the Democratic Socialists, the squad, the Ocasio-Cortez's of the world, the last. I mean, look, Joe Biden does. First of all, Joe Biden is actually an incredibly left-wing president. The whole thing about unity and centrism and all the rest of it was a lie. That's not where the Democratic Party is right now.

The Democratic Party is far left. Bill Clinton couldn't get the Democratic nomination today. Oh, no. I mean, what they really do need is someone who is willing to triangulate. What they need is a Bill Clinton.

They're never going to nominate a Bill Clinton, and then they're not going to get past Kamala Harris because they are not going to kick the first black woman aside.

So Thomas Friedman wrote a column, and he says his eyes were teary. Yeah. He was sad. And he was watching in Lisbon, which is the best place to watch a debate. We've been over this.

And he's of course a New York Times columnist can never be in America, of course, because America's not worthy of him.

So he watches this and he says, He's my friend. He has to step aside. And he's got to open up the forum. And if Kamala Harris wants to put her name in, she should. Yeah, that's just interesting.

I'm like, but that's his perception from inside the world. She wants to put her name. Nicholas Christoph, the same thing. Joe Biden has to step aside. Yeah.

There will be a mass uprising on the left if Kamala Harris gets pushed aside because they're not and for a white male. That's just by the way, white males are the worst, just for the record. They are, absolutely. I agree with you. If Biden steps aside before the DNC roll call, Uh his delegates are no longer pledged to him.

And it's essentially an open season. Any candidate eligible to be the president could emerge, including candidates who did not run in the primaries, and delegates could vote for them. And while the most logical contender to receive the endorsement would be Vice President Kamala Harris from Biden. Biden can choose anyone. Biden can say to his delegates, guys, too old.

All my delegates, go to fill-in-the-blank. And they basically what? I don't think he'd do it to Harris. Would you think he'd give it to Harris? They can't because she'd lose.

She's less popular than he is. How can he is the most unpopular president since the end of World War II, and she's less popular than he is? She she can't I mean, sh she she went for what thirty-nine staff have quit on her. She's she's absolutely incompetent and she doesn't have the excuse of age.

Okay. If Biden steps aside, dies, or has a disability after the DNC roll call. Here it goes. The national chairperson of the Democratic National Committee will confer with the Democratic leadership of the U. S.

Congress and Democratic governors and shall report to the Democratic National Committee, which is authorized to fill the vacancy. You realize how many egos are involved in the leadership and those committees? You'll never agree to one person. Yeah, and if they pick the wrong person, there's going to be a revolt on the floor. I mean, first of all, you know, we've all been gearing up for the riots in the streets of Chicago.

There could be a riot inside Riot. They're not going to have it. They were thinking about not having that convention. Did you hear? Oh, I know.

Yeah. So now they have to have the convention. That's actually great. But they wanted to cancel it and make it virtual.

Now they actually have to meet. They actually have to do stuff, right? It's not going to be a ceremony. You know, so all the scales are falling down. Right.

So if you're Trump, what are you thinking today? I'm thinking I'm winning the presidency right now. I'm preparing to pick my too much time. Yeah. I mean, look, here's the thing.

I'm not even at the All-Star game yet. That's true. I mean, look, and there's another debate. Don't forget, we're gonna do we're gonna do this again in September, right? No minds the nominee.

And you know, we see how much he's declined over a period of six months, eight months, like that. Imagine he could be even worse in Se in September than he is now.

So here's Debbie Dingell talking about what you're talking about, too. She's somewhat of a sometimes she'll hop on our channel and it'll make some sense, not often. Cut nine. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It wasn't Joe Biden's best night.

We all know that. And if I have one thing to say, I'm going to say to the campaign officials, they should have prepared us that he had a cold and he had a raspy voice. And, you know, as I heard people talking last night about the senior voice, that was not the voice that I hear Joe Biden with all of the time. He had a cold and that set of tone. Having said that and having admitted it, it wasn't the best night I've ever seen, I don't think it was Donald Trump's best night either.

Okay. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It wasn't his best night. If you're not going to sugarcoat it, this was an unmitigated, this is the titanic of presidential debates.

That's how you don't sugarcoat it. This was the worst performance by anyone in a presidential debate in the history of our country. Do you want to say that? And that includes who's the guy who ran for vice president with an American hero. And I felt bad about that.

When I started reading his bio, oh my God. Oh my God, he's such a great man. But who am I? Why am I here? Yeah, exactly.

I mean, that's basically what Joe Biden said last night to the American people in not so many words. Who am I and why am I here?

So, yeah, true.

Some of the looks that Trump had on his face where he was like trying to think to himself, How do I respond? He goes, I can't even. I got to look at him. I noticed they want to look at each other. Number one, nobody shook hands.

They never said anything. I've never seen two men hate each other more. Yeah. I mean, we watched Holly Frazier for years. We watched the biggest fights ever, and they hug it out in octagons, but they wouldn't hug that out.

So maybe if they beat each other up, they would.

So that's what I thought the spin was going to be. Yeah. Didn't have the best night, but he'll come back. He had a cold.

So here's Josh Shapiro. I pulled this. I asked Eric to pull this because this is the beginning of the rehab that I think Trump should be happy about. Governor Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania, Cup 14. Joe Biden earned the votes of primary voters, and he is our nominee.

Listen, John, I've got a unique position in that as both Attorney General here in Pennsylvania and now as governor, I've had the opportunity to work with both men, and I can tell you that my experiences with Donald Trump demonstrate just how dangerous he is. Most of the time, that I dealt with Donald Trump, it was kicking his butt in a courtroom because he was trying to take away our freedoms, because he was trying to exacerbate the problem of climate change. It was because he was trying to bully trans kids and undermine the rights of Pennsylvanians.

So, number one, he has to. What was he talking about? First of all, he has to say that he has to hug Joe Biden just like Gavin Newsom, even when he debated Ron DeSantis, saying, look how much better I'd be at a debate than, and by the way, he would be than Joe Biden. I think the Democrats should look side by side the Newsom-DeSantis debate and what Joe Biden did last night. But Newsom hugs Joe Biden, you know, like a like a like a, well, I'm not going to say what I was going to say.

He hugs close because that he has to show loyalty until the loyalty is no longer needed. Can we talk about what he said, though? Uh can you actually if he's being honest? By pausing the oil and gas leases. In America.

He hurt Pennsylvania and this governor more than anybody else. And by the way, hurt Senator Casey. If McCormick is as good as he potentially could be, and I think he could be a great candidate and a great senator with his military background and everything like that, he should be all over this. And when asked, I think, by Stephanopoulos, what do you think? He goes, it better be a short pause.

We have to be able to produce oil and gas, natural gas. It helps our allies. It helps counter Russia. But this president did that. That should climate change awareness.

This is his pitch to the left that he'd be okay. Right.

You know, he he net look, the left controls the Democratic Party. It's just that simple. There's been a complete hostile takeover by the Democratic Socialists of the Democratic Party. The normal moderate Democrats are in the minority. And so if he wants to, he's basically pitching himself as a candidate without pitching himself as a candidate.

All right.

So here's a little bit more from Governor Shapiro, cut 13. Here's the bottom line. Joe Biden had a bad debate night, but Donald Trump was a bad president. And I think what you saw last night was a pathological liar in Donald Trump who lied about his record, who has dangerous ideas about where he wants to take this country. I'll admit, I'll be the first to admit, that that was not a good look in that debate last night.

But it doesn't change the fact that there are really stark competing differences in this race. And I think what the American people have to do now is make a decision. Do we want to go back to a dark time that Donald Trump promises, where we have less freedom, where the middle class gets screwed, where there's fewer opportunities in our community? Or do we want to try and continue on with high employment, where we want to continue to produce more energy than ever before in this nation, where we want to keep taking the fight to China and beating them as we are. Most of this stuff was pure fantasy.

Was he the Attorney General that? Changed the election rules in the pandemic? I believe he was. Right.

They changed everything in Pennsylvania, how elections were run. But that's a really ineffective message, Brian, because here's the problem: Joe Biden, if the country, you know, everyone talks about Ronald Reagan's moment where he said, you know, I'm not going to take advantage of the youth inexperience of my opponent, ha, ha, ha, I made a joke of his age. The reason he was able to do that is because it was mourning in America. Because everybody, the majority of the country approved of his presidency. If right now, if the border was secure, inflation was low, the world was at peace, cities were under control, then no one would care about the fact that Joe Biden is a non compos mentis.

If things were going well, it's the combination of serial disasters that he's unleashed on the country, where Americans are now paying $125 for a $100 basket of groceries. We have the highest credit card debt in the history of our country, just past $1 trillion. People have maxed out their credit cards trying to keep up with Joe Biden's inflation. And then we raised interest rates on those credit cards to tamp down inflation, which means they're paying 30% interest on their credit cards that are maxed out. And then they look and see Joe Biden do that.

That's the problem. No one would care if things were going well.

So, to tell us that things are going great, we just got to continue the policies is not the right message. And to say that it was a bad presidency, okay.

Well, that bad presidency, as remembered, was winning in every single poll in every battleground state of West Wisconsin, where the last one had him in a flat-footed tie, has him up in Nevada, a place he lost, has him even in Virginia, New Hampshire, and Minnesota, places he lost.

So, I don't know. You're telling the American people they're just idiots? I guess. That's what their message is to the American people. Look, 55% of Americans say Trump's presidency was a success.

61% say Joe Biden's presidency is a failure.

So, there was a. I'm wondering what's going to do for donations. And this was sent by one of my producers yesterday, Bill Ackman, another billionaire, I think, a hedge funder. He said, Real Donald Trump is going to win in a landslide. This country should rally around Trump and help him succeed.

Trump didn't expect to win the first time he was elected. As a result, he was totally unprepared. The lack of preparation, the Russian investigation ensuing, he's more ready now. That's why he endorsed DeSantis early. And now he's like, We got to flip back because this current thing doesn't work.

More with Mark Thiessen in just a moment. You listen to the Brian Kilmey Show. Chairman Password. Hear the ins and outs of the 2024 election right here. The Brian Kill Meat Show.

A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmeade. Both of these men should be using performance enhancing drugs. as much of it as they can get as many times a day as their bodies will allow. If performance enhancing drugs will improve their lucidity, their ability to solve problems, and in one of the candidates' cases, improve their truthfulness, morality, and malignant narcissism, then suppository away.

If those drugs don't exist, if there aren't actually performance enhancing drugs for these candidates, I could sure Use some recreational ones right now. Because this Cannot be real life. It just can't. We're America. Jon Stewart had a meltdown.

But he did take apart Joe Biden. And remember the first week he was on the Daily Show again. He played all these people saying how brilliant Joe Biden is behind the scenes. And he said, Can I see that guy? Can we all see that guy?

You remember the famous Saturday Night Live skit on Ronald Reagan? Where there was a great skit where like Reagan is like a little girl scout comes into the old, like, oh, hi, little girl, nice to meet you. And then the door slams, he pulls down a map of Russia, and he's like, Okay, we're gonna bomb here, we're gonna do this, and he starts speaking in Russian and all this stuff. It's like, I also, I'm also harking back in SNL when Dukakis was baiting, was debating Bush 41, and Bush 41 stayed on a message, right? They said, Whatever you do, you say this and keep it going.

So he goes, Thousand points of light, not gonna be fruiting. And then Dukakis goes, I can't believe it. It was John Lovitt. I can't believe I'm losing to this guy. I can't believe I'm losing to this guy.

The difference is, Donald Trump isn't losing to this guy. He isn't. I mean, the polls are pretty overwhelming. And one of my points yesterday was, This is the first time Donald Trump's going into a presidential debate winning. And I thought, is he going to change his approach at all?

And well, it's good a little bit. He's, you call me the worst president ever. You could do this. You know, when it comes to abortion. I mean, how the hell did Joe Biden choose to pivot from abortion to immigration?

It was like the biggest gift that Trump ever got. He goes, Yeah, uh abortion. Yeah, you guys are terrible. Roe v. Wade and he goes, This girl gets murdered and uh yeah, I knew you went to the funeral.

And And then Trump was like, are you kidding? Did you just bring me back to immigration? I'll take it. You know, and I mean, and to say those aren't killers coming across the border when we lose three great women, a mother of five, we lose Lake and Riley right before that, and we use a 12-year-old girl who gets raped and beaten two days before, and then you want to say no terrorists are coming in our country? I wish Trump had turned to him and said, Do you know their names?

He wouldn't have known one of them. He wouldn't know one of them. Lincoln Riley. Yeah. But here's the thing also we got to keep in mind.

So right now we're looking at that debate and we're saying, you know, I can't believe that we're not going to lose to this guy. Irrational exuberance. This is not done. This is going to be a very close election. Even if Joe Biden stays on the ballot, it's going to be a very close election.

I don't know. If he stays on the ballot, there's just a built-in and he needs to win over those swing voters. He needs to focus like a laser bean on the swing voters. He needs to give people permission to vote for themselves. Marketing.

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Killmee Show. We come to you from 48th and 6 in Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world.

I also know where I was yesterday, you with me, talking to Tyler Hubbard, the guy really. Feeling comfortable in New York City, but he's from Athens, Georgia. He says rural, he goes away from Athens, Georgia. That's even busier, I guess. Very rural community.

He's one half of Florida, Georgia line.

Now he's a big dishit country music star. And we were downtown yesterday, right here in Manhattan. But they say downtown, a mess. Midtown, where we are every day, a little bit better, perhaps, usually. But not entirely.

But for the most part, we're going to be stuck in traffic because guess who's coming to town? The President of the United States is going to be coming to town to raise more money. And man, what a night he had yesterday. Britt Hume's going to break it down at the bottom of the arrow. But with me right now is Democratic strategist Doug Shoan.

He's the author of a brand new book, The Politics of Life, My Road to the Middle of a Hostile and Adversarial World. He is, of course, advisor to Bill Clinton, to Michael Bloomberg, and offers great insight always. Also, got a foreign policy expertise. Your book on Venezuela predicted they'd be this type of problem in our hemisphere. And I wrote about Russia, China, and the axis of evil that they were forming in 2014.

Right.

And now we have it's even a bigger axis. Oh, it's a much more scary North Korea and Iran. Yes, sir. Exactly.

We live in a very dangerous world, which was one of the points Trump was trying to make last night. He didn't quite say it as perhaps articulately as I'd like to think I do, and I know you do. But candidly, he was saying inflation up. costs up World unstable, Joe Biden not fit to be president. And what I took away Was not only a compelling argument.

Joe Biden, by dint of his style, His presentation was reaffirmed That he is not up to the job. He's not up to the job. But, Doug, if you look at it, if you hired somebody and you told them to do the job, and part of the job was meeting with the press, having press conferences, communicating with them to the American people, put it this way: you just walk up to him and say, Hey, by the way, it's getting $65 billion to Ukraine. This is how much has arrived. I saw what happened yesterday in Kharkiv.

I'm talking to Benjamin Etanyahu. We are concerned about the activity with Hezbollah. You know, we're looking around the world. I saw inflation is still up 20% since I took office. I'm working on that.

That's what you do because you're not, you don't, I don't care if you like the press. You have to talk to us. You're not talking to us. And then you disappeared for a week and prepared for a debate that it looked like you didn't prepare a minute for. Yeah, I I sensed That There were either cognitive or behavioral issues that made him have trouble Articulating what you were doing, which is here's what we're doing, here's what we're talking about.

He struck me as not asleep at the Switch, but not at the Switch at all, not really connected, disengaged.

So how long have you known Joe Biden? 40 years? Does that look like the Joe Biden you knew? Not at all. Right.

He looked like a different man. Right.

And from the debate, even from four years ago, and then he really didn't have to campaign to get the job, and he was kind of given the nomination when it looked like Bernie Sanders was going to emerge. Here is what you're talking about: Cut 16. We've got to take a look at what I was left when I became president, what Mr. Trump left me. We had an economy that was in free fall.

The pandemic was so badly handled, many people were dying. All he said was, It's not that serious. Just inject a little bleach into your arm. You'll be all right. The economy collapsed.

There were no jobs. Unemployment rate rose to 15%. It was terrible.

Okay. Well, I was inadequate there in terms of he said made one comment and said, you know, bleach is cleaning up our furniture. It would be great if we had something to clean out our insides. Everyone said you use bleach, but you want to go hang on that, hang on that. And employment was not 15% when he took over.

We had a million shots in arms. We were beginning to come out of it. He was trying to get people back to work. But what struck me was the tone. All of a sudden, you said to me before, I had to raise the volume on my television.

Yeah, I thought I need Miracle here. Because I said, I can't understand what he's saying. And I thought, is this why he took a week off? What happened? Again.

I think he was just not able to perform at the level we expect our presidential candidates to perform at, but plus the raspy voice and the lack of Clear thinking and articulation gave me, and I think millions of others. Serious pause about him. And for Democratic officials now, Brian, who are all wringing their hands, they're trying to figure out what, if anything, can be done. How did they not see this? Don't you remember some of the press conferences he had, the halting delivery after meeting with Vladimir Putin, or when he came out to defend himself after the Robert Hur report and said, I charge you, but you're too old and incompetent.

And they thought, well, I gotta go defend myself. And what did he say? President Al Sisi of Mexico, the Egyptian president he named President of Mexico. And he ended with, Okay, are you indeed competent? Here's the worst probably moment that he had, Cut seventeen.

That two trillion dollar tax cut benefited the very wealthy. What I'm going to do is fix the tax system. For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America. I mean, billionaires in America. If they just paid 24% or 25%, either one of those numbers, they'd raise $500 million, billion dollars, I should say, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the with with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with Mm-hmm.

What? Yeah. We finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. He just got bailed out by the moderator there.

W Medicare, COVID. Billions, trillions? He had not a clue what he was saying. And even you as a very well informed Day to day. Uh A person engaged with the process as I try to be in my position, I couldn't make any sense of it.

Couldn't even divine what he was trying to say. And if I couldn't, rest assured the American people looked at them and said, goodness gracious, what. Is this all about?

So The level of freakout among the left, I mean, I said, okay, this is over. It looked to be a disaster. I'm going to flip around because I got to go to bed. You know, I got to be up at 2:30. We were up at 5 in the morning.

And I could not shut it off because I've never seen anything like it. The CNN, MSNBC. We're ripping him. Incompetent, worst performance ever. He's got to be replaced.

Before I play some cuts of what they were saying, Doug Shoan, what do you say? I I say Bill Clinton, Barack Obama. Chuck Schumer, Nancy Peliosi need to go to Joe Biden and say you've performed honorably. You've done a great job under the circumstances. It's time to step aside.

Woody? Until last night, I think the answer was no. After last night, I think the answer is that it'll be given at least some consideration because when the party elders, like with Richard Nixon in 1974, came to him, the man who said he'd never resigned resigned. I think. It It's likely, especially since Biden is unlikely to improve his performance, that it'll get consideration.

Yes. David Axelrod, cut three. There is a feeling, I think there was a sense of shock actually, at how he came out at the beginning of this debate, how his voice sounded. He seemed a little disoriented. He did get stronger as the debate went on, but by that time, I think the panic had set in.

And I think you're going to hear discussions. That I don't know will lead to anything, but the you know. There is gonna be discussion about whether he should continue.

So, you know, Axela has been saying it like it is, and we know the President of the United States used an expletive to describe him. When he said, stop talking about biddenomics, you spent $38 million selling us on the economy. It doesn't work. People don't feel that way.

So the President erupted at him. And here's a guy almost feeling bad for him now. Your thoughts about what he just said. I mean, I think what David said is what most Democratic insiders think, which is it isn't clear that, as we like to say in politics, that this dog hunts, that the Biden candidacy is viable. I mean, time will tell.

He's right. It's not going to be an immediate excision of Biden as candidate and replacement, but I don't think this is going away and people at the very least are going to say, can he in some way recover?

So, yeah, and the thing is, not only do you think to yourself, will he recover? I wonder if he will, but some people say, Should we think about the 25th Amendment? Can he even finish the job? Is this the guy that's tackling the North Korea bond with Russia and China? Is this the guy that is going to be solving our debt problem?

Is this the guy that we don't hear from almost ever? Is he going to bring Hamas, gut them out of Gaza? Is he going to let Israel do that? Are we going to let him make the decisions?

Well, until last night, if you had said to me, should the Twenty-Fifth Amendment be invoked, I would have said, oh, come on. Yes, he halts, he's tentative, but he knows what's going on, he can articulate most of the time a clear policy. If you give him a chance. Last night, it was not certain to me that he's up to the job. Here's what John King of CNN said: Cut Five.

This was a game-changing debate in the sense that right now, as we speak, there is a deep, a wide, and a very aggressive panic in the Democratic Party. It started minutes into the debate, and it continues right now. It involves party strategists. It involves elected officials. It involves fundraisers.

And they are having conversations about the President's performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party in the ticket. And they're having conversations about what they should do about it.

Some of those conversations include should we go to the White House and ask the President to step aside? Other of the conversations are about should prominent Democrats go public. with that call. because they feel this d debate was so terrible.

So that's where you're at right now. Can you bring us inside Democratic circles? Yeah. First, there's not a clear procedure to replace Biden, especially if he doesn't want to go. Second, It is clear to me that there's a candidate.

A consensus candidate, because Kamala Harris is in her own way as weak a candidate, if not weaker. She's more unpopular than him. That's right. Michelle Obama, by all accounts, has said she doesn't want to do it. We have a series of governors who are potential candidates, but they're not tested on the national stage.

So the question of where the Democrats go is one that is not Answerable today.

So, the last candidate you dealt with was Michael Bloomberg, right? That's right. So, do you understand how it would go at the DNC in Chicago if they are looking for another candidate? We know 95% of the delegates have been given to Joe Biden. We know that he's picked a lot of them, so they're fundamentally you would think they're loyal to him.

But when they look around and see him already trailing the former president by the distance he is, if this happens, the gap widens, and they get to Chicago and nothing's changed. Can you give me an idea of what the Democratic Party could do? To me, the real answer to how this gets resolved is exactly what you were saying, Brian, the polls. If he's down five, seven, ten points nationally, the swing states are gone, there will be a revolt in Chicago, whatever the party rules call for. If there's a revolt, as we've seen in other conventions, all bets are off.

So, the Democrat National Committee rules give the power of the nomination to the delegates. The delegates, in all good conscience, reflect the sentiment of those who elected them, obviously, whether it be Biden. Since the rules do not impose any legal obligation on delegates to vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged, a mass defection is at least theoretically possible. Also, Democrats will hold a virtual roll call by August 7th to comply with the Ohio ballot access deadline, and that's when some of this controversy will come up.

Now, if Biden does step aside from the DNC, this would be it. He steps aside, then his delegates are no longer pledged to him, and it's essentially open season. Any candidate eligible to be president could emerge, including candidates who did not run. How would that look? Who knows?

Look, the clear advantage. Like a more Cuban could walk in there and say. Put me, make me president. He could do it, and he'd probably be a better candidate than anyone I can think of now. But Candidly, we don't know.

All we know is that Donald Trump, who according to Nate Silver, was a two and three chance to win before the debate, is probably eighty eighty. 85% likely today to win. When Democrats talked to Democrats about Kamala Harris, what did they think going in? What do they think now? Yeah, they thought they needed to pick her because of the deal that was made with Jim Clyburn to get support in South Carolina.

That being said, I don't know any Democrats anywhere except some far-left pro-Palestinian types who like Kamala Harris. When we come back a few moments about your incredible career, that's in your memoir. Don't move. Doug Schones here, putting in perspective what is a crisis on the Democratic side. This is the Brian Killmeat Show.

Both sides, all opinions. It's Brian Kilmead. The more you listen, the more you'll know it's Brian Kilmead. Hey, Doug Schoen wrote this brand new book. It's The Politics of Life: My Road to the Middle of a Hostile and Adversarial World.

He was an advisor to President Clinton and the most recently to Michael Bloomberg. He's been a Democratic insider, but most of all, he calls, balls, and strikes. Doug, why is now the right time to write about your life and your legacy?

Well, I'm 71, which is one reason. But the political reason I think is obviously more compelling. We have gotten more and more polarized. Through my career, to the point where political advising, consulting used to be about the propagation of ideas and a vision.

Now it's become a A slanging match, attacks. And what I'm trying to make the case is that our world, our democracy, our freedom is at stake in standing up for core values, articulating them, and have candidates do that in a way that is positive and proactive. What's your relationship with Bill Clinton like? What was it like working with him? Bill Clinton was probably one of the greatest guys I could have worked with.

He was open. He was sincere. He told us what he wanted to accomplish, but said, How do I do it? How old was he then? And how old were you?

Well, good good question. I was forty-one. I think he was late forties. And you were with him during his presidency? From 94 to 2001, yeah.

To see him and Bush 41, see that relationship flourish, from adversaries to flourish, what was that like? reaffirming To see that, it was also reaffirming to see how the relationship with W. Uh, took hold after they're tight, yeah, and here's the thing: they all understand the bushes. Bill Clinton, that this is about more than just partisan politics. And winning elections, it's about the country.

Most important thing Bill Clinton said to me for this memoir about coming to the center was. He said, look. If I win forty nine percent and win the election, that means fifty one percent are against me. I got to reach those people too, because I represent them. Did we change our mindset?

Or was that a different era? Or is it just a different people? Different era, different people, different rules, and different electoral systems. You also worked lately with Mike Bloomberg. Yes, sir.

So, Mike Bloomberg got elected as a Republican, went to Independent, then he ends up being a Democrat. He stayed maybe one term, too many. Then he wants to run for president, one of the most successful businessmen in the country. What did you learn from him? I learned from him that his style of consensus Building and Um Quiet.

Constructive leadership in today's Democratic Party. is unfortunately not valued. It is rejected. Bloomberg was, in my judgment, far and away the most qualified of candidates. Certainly, I think, would have been a better President than Joe Biden.

And the fact that Elizabeth Warren took it upon herself to trash him in ways that were unfair, unreasonable, and anti-democratic, to me, speaks to the baseness of my party. And the fact that one of the great business leaders, political leaders of our time, was treated that way is a disaster. He should have came back and said, you know what I've done? You couldn't touch me in physics. I couldn't beat.

Right.

And you can't control everyone's favorite. Doug Schoen, congratulations on the book, The Politics of Life. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead.

Some within your own party are wondering if President Biden should even step aside. What do you say to that? Yes, there was a slow start, but it was a strong finish. Joe Biden is extraordinarily strong. People can debate on style points, but ultimately, this election and who is the President of the United States has to be about substance.

That is the vice president scramble to go with Anderson Cooper last night after that hideous debate by the president, who doesn't really like her too much, though Jill hates her. They never don't really bond. She hasn't really done much. Her approval rate is at 36%. And that's the conundrum.

They said, pick a young minority. We'll make them the next president. You'd be a bridge president. Nobody thought he was this bad. I n I never thought he was strong.

Nobody thought he was this bad. And then yesterday, just on display for everybody to see, over the course of an hour and a half. And I couldn't believe when there was a half hour left, I thought to myself, I mean, th this they're going to just end this early. And then when they came back for final statements, I wonder what else could Joe Biden have gotten?

Now think about this. Everything that he wanted, he got.

So Trump didn't even say, well, you know, I was a great negotiator and I got him to give in. He said, no. I said anytime, anywhere, when they offered me these two debates, I just took them.

Okay. So let's look at what Biden got. He picked the venue, he picked the city, he picked the network, he picked the moderators, he picked the mic rules, he picked the times on speeches and rebuttals, he locked out the audience, he locked out reporters, he picked his side of the stage, he got 10 days off, we did not see him even on a bike, we didn't get a still picture of him working on something else. all the prep and all the rules. And still he fell fat on flat on his face.

He got his January sixth topic. He got abortion as a topic. He was able to talk about global warming. These things he's rated high on. And he blew it.

And President Trump was perfectly happy to talk about getting out of the Paris Climate Accord. Perfectly happy to talk about abortion. I returned it to the States. Perfectly happy to push him into getting onto the last trimester. Did it.

And then while talking about abortion, this president Parry's? Yes. To the death of an innocent American. At the hands of an illegal immigrant. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

He also got personal. Call Trump a liar? Call him a whiner. Call him the worst president ever.

Okay, keep it classy. And then when it came to golf, I'll golf against you. I'll golf against you if you carry your own bag. Do we have that golf cut, Eric? The one Or they went back and forth.

This and I put this out. I don't even know if they did this. They asked me to live tweet and send emails on the air on Foxnews.com, but I said, this is the most bizarre moment in the history of debates. Everything about it is crazy. Listen.

I took physical exams every year. And you know We knock on wood wherever we may have wood. That I'm in very good health. I just won two club championships, not even senior, two regular club championships. To do that, you have to be.

Quite smart, and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way. And I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match.

He can't hit a ball 50 yards. You can see he is six foot five and only two hundred and twenty third pounds, or twenty thirty-five pounds.

Well, you said six four to two hundred.

Well anyway, that's it. Anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with you. I got my handicap, which went off.

So what is he even referring to? Is he referring to the fact that when he got his weight and measures, I think one of the years uh when he was president, they said he was six three, two hundred and forty pounds. Ronnie Jackson didn't. It was a big debate. Is that what he thought he was going to score points on?

I I don't even know. Do you know? I wish I could give you a clear answer. I have no idea.

Okay. So then tru like again, he did not even know how to keep up with it. We continue. Think you can do it? That's the biggest lie that is.

I was an eight-handicap. Eight. Never. But I have, you know, how many people? I've seen you swing.

I know you swing. Let's not act like children. President Trump, we're going to let's not act like children. Yeah, but You are a child. You know it's bad when Trump is telling you not to act like a child.

Like, you know, you've just gone off the ledge. Right, because I've seen you hit a ball. The biggest lie yet is six handicaps. I'm an eight. I'm an eight handicap.

Okay. Couldn't even remember. Right.

But he just backed off right away. I'm an eight. I seen you swing. If you carry your own bag, I'll play ya. Fascinating.

As if Biden could carry his own bag, he couldn't even walk the 18th. Right.

You're going to be kidding. Yeah. Was he going to carry his bag? I mean, come on. What are we even talking about?

Who carries their bag anyway? Unless you're in the uh PGA. I think your Caddy does it. Uh your Caddy carries it. Yeah, you have the cart.

Yeah, you have a cart. My own club. But that to me was the craziest. That was the craziest one. I go, what am I watching?

What am I watching? No, I agree with you, but Well, I think like most of my mark, you just felt sad watching, like frustrated, but you just like you've Why are they letting him out there? You feel bad watching an elderly man be put out there like this.

So I will say this: I think the money, you think the money poured in for Trump after the conviction? It is really pouring in now. Have they put out numbers? Because I haven't seen anything released yet. No, but they say, oh, money's coming into the Democratic Committee.

I don't think so. And. Ken Ackman came out, and he was the guy who was for DeSantis. And he said, basically, time to pour your money into Trump. He's going to win.

He's going to be more experienced. He's going to have better people this time. Wow. That's what a lot of people have been saying. And listen, I didn't ask Mark specifically.

They want to put him on the spot. But Mark said he was a great president, but the time's done. He can't win. Obviously, he feels differently now. And he's in contact with the foreign president.

They're going back and forth because Mark writes a column, but he's not out there to blow up any candidate or tell any candidate if they do something wrong. And that drove Trump nuts. It's like, why are you writing for the Washington Post, number one? And why are you being so critical of some of my foreign policy decisions? He goes, Because that's my opinion.

But they still engage with each other, also. He'll do a hit on our air, and he'll call them. Who helped that relationship? Evolve. That I think I've helped bring them together a little.

I know, well, we're going to leave it at that. Uh yeah, but I I feel like I feel like uh Joe Biden. On that.

Well, whatever. All right, we'll move on. But here's a actually, I don't think you've played it yet. Here's a really good point that was made on another network this morning. It's John Heilman talking about.

the reason why this was different than the State of the Union, which is Cut 12. The problem here was that Biden's worst moments were at the very beginning of the debate. And that set people by the time he got to that first debate break, that was the peak of the panic. And at that point, the fact that he got better as the night went on did not do anything to assuage the panic. The panic was already in.

And there were a couple of very bad moments in the early going. There was his voice was not strong. There were various, there were all these things that people will point to and say it's all atmospherics. The reality is, if you're talking about the panic among Democrats, that it was the early part of it. And I would say, I had text messages last night from some of the richest, most supportive Democratic donors in the country of Joe Biden's, people who have been supportive of him for his entire career, freaking out.

And that was the case with a lot of elected officials too. There you go. John Hellman hates Trump more than life itself. People are just going because they don't want to lose to Trump. Not only do they want to lose, they don't want to lose to Trump.

But Trump not only is winning, he's winning over people that weren't even in his camp before. He's winning over Wall Street because Joe Biden is Donald Trump's best sales tool. I know they think it's just the opposite. We have a chance of getting Brittany. They held him on a little bit longer on Fox News channel, but he could be coming up now.

So I'll leave some time on the other side. When we come back, what is the freak out about? And what about the money raised since this debate? You listen to Brian Kill Me Show. Watch me.

If you think I don't have the energy level of ment mental acuity, then then, you know, that's one thing. On the the the the total initiative relative to what we can do with more Border Patrol and more uh asylum officers. Uh I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Covering this election year like no other.

It's Brian Kilmead. Radio that makes you think, this is the Brian Kill Me Show. Both of these men should be using performance enhancing drives. As much of it as they can get as many times a day as their bodies will allow. If performance-enhancing drugs will improve their lucidity, their ability to solve problems, and in one of the candidates' cases, improve their truthfulness, morality, and malignant narcissism, then suppository away.

Guess what, everybody? They should be taking whatever magical drugs. can kick their brains into here, because this ain't Olympic swimming. You know what I'm saying? Oh, he solved the Middle East, but he was doping, so it doesn't count.

There's gonna be an asterisk next to his presidency. And by the way, if those drugs don't exist, if there aren't actually performance-enhancing drugs for these candidates, I could sure. Use some recreational ones right now because this. Cannot be real life. It just can't.

We're America! Yeah. Jon Stewart had a meltdown last night. Kind of funny. By the way, this just came through.

The Supreme Court decisions that are released Thursday, Friday, and I guess we're going to wait for the immunity decision coming out on Monday to see what kind of immunity the president has. In a 6-2 ruling, Justice Katanji Brown Jackson did not participate. The court's majority said the federal rule promulgating the national oceanic and atmospheric conditions, requiring the fishermen to pay $700 a day for an at-sea monitor, is out of bounds. The justices in January heard the arguments.

Now they rule. The court's decision reels in what's now known as the Chevron Doctrine, a legal theory established in the 1980s that says if a federal regulation is challenged, the court should defer to the agency's interpretation of whether Congress granted them the authority or not. People think these regulatory agencies are just circumventing all these rules, laws, and regulations, and they're 100% right. And it looks like the Supreme Court agrees. And that's tremendous for people who want to drill, you want to open up a business.

The environmental things that just get slapped on. And I saw. Governor Doug Bergham told me one of the main differences the presidencies of Biden and Trump is as governor of North Dakota, he said, You would not believe the regulations that come in from this administration about the environment, especially. He said, I don't have enough attorneys in North Dakota. I have to go out and hire additional attorneys to handle all the regulations, and I have to use taxpayer dollars to do it because.

There's ju they're too uh they're too inhibiting.

So that this is a long way. This is a very good decision. For the country, in my view.

So the obstruction law does not apply to January. Uh the So we'll find out about that.

So we'll find out what's happening with Immunity shortly or on Monday. With us right now is Britt Yoom. Britt, we're wearing you out. We have you on TV all night last night. Then we put you on TV again today.

And then you are way too dressed for radio. I mean, you have overdressed for radio. And I also got makeup on my face. Is that unbelievable?

So we look too good almost.

Well, in my case, that's not possible.

Well, that's not true.

So Britt, first off, I love when things happen unprecedented for someone with all the experience that you have. Do you believe that the outrage, what is this thing that strikes you most about the aftermath of the debate?

Well, I think it's a case of people looking and seeing something that they had somehow managed not to see for all these years. I don't want to say I told you so, really, but I've been saying that Biden was senile since way back before the 2020 election. I've known him forever. I always had rather liked him. but he was plainly losing it, and you could see it.

It was as plain as day. And there were innumerable examples of uh instances in public that showed that that was the case. This is a senior old man. He should not be President of the United States. And the denial of it was shocking.

And the denials are now going by the boards. And you know, the press is full of people saying, Well, now, mis you know, mister Joe, we love you, but you gotta step aside. When's the last time the conventions had real drama for you?

Well, I s you know, go back to nineteen sixty eight and you had that mess in Chicago Chicago, where we'll be again this year, with anti-war protesters disrupting events and making the city into quite a scene. Um It used to be, you know, after it was clear who the nominee was long before the convention, that there would be floor fights over planks in the platform or Innumerable other things. We haven't had that in years. It's been a T V show, a T V commercial really for the candidate for as long as long as I've been. Do you think it's going to change here?

Because they handed us all these rules and regulations, how the DNC might be able to make a change on their nominee. And as I look at this, you think what's If nothing changes, do you think it could come down to August? Oh, I do. I mean, I think that's well, if you're trying to devise a scenario where where where someone else is nominated. you got a convention packed with delegates, a majority of them who were for Biden.

They're Biden people. Biden picked 'em. And 95% of her said he's our guy. Yeah, that's right. But if he were to say the first step would have to be Biden would have to agree to step step aside.

And He would have to say, I'll serve out my term, but I've decided to retire. At which point Commer doesn't be you know, doesn't become anything but a potential candidate.

so they don't automatically nominate her. Then there'd have to be campaigns in a short space of time. Really? You mean going out to the public? Or or that week.

Well, I I don't know how they choose to do it, but you you you have to run in a very short space of time to the nomination. And then you go to the convention. And the Biden delegates would have to agree.

Now, Biden could throw his support to somebody, I'm not sure he would. But I think that's what would have to happen. Then you'd have an open convention. Was God knows how many ballots needed to choose a nominee. And if look, look at it this way, Brian.

If that were to happen And the Democrats would settle on a credible nominee. Let us not forget. Donald Trump Despite the fact that he's leading in the polls, and despite the fact that he showed strength last night, he is not popular. And For a credible Democrat. Um Might find him.

An easy target.

Well, I d do you really think not popular, or would you say he's p I mean, his popularity with Republicans is through the roof. That's right, but that in the we're talking about a general election now. Independent.

Well, we're talking about independents and even some members of the other party or whatever, and then you got Republicans who won't don't like him and so he's got a lot of he you know, up against Biden, he looks great. He might not look so great against some other.

Now, the danger for Democrats is. That Biden agrees to step aside, to have a real race in this condensed period of time, and Kamala wins. Which is not impossible. She's more unpopular than Biden is, but within the Democratic Party, it's a different story. She could get the nomination.

And she's even you know, as I say, she's even weaker with the public in their estimation than Biden has been. And that might spell sure defeat, but it also could mean a credible candidate could be a winner. Gallup did a poll and Biden's approval rate is at thirty seven percent, historically low.

So after this, it's going to drop even more. I can't imagine that, but it's going to happen. But here's the scenario. I was talking to Mike LaRosa, former chief of staff for Jill Biden. And he said the Bidens are always used to the press giving them short thrift.

That's why they're at war with the New York Times and Washington Post, like they are. And they say when things go bad, they close ranks and they're going to rally around them. She didn't, he didn't, prior to this debate, he saw no way in which he would voluntarily leave because they're in that mode that the world's against them anyway. Right or wrong?

Well, the last time we saw something were uh President stepped aside was Nixon. nineteen seventy four when a Yeah. Group of Republican. group of Republican leaders from Congress and elsewhere went to see him. And said, Mr.

President, it's time to go. You should go. As the party support begins to melt away among the party leaders, Uh and his family decides, wait a minute, but this is this isn't working. Um It could happen. I you know, and a lot of people think it will happen.

A lot of people think it has to happen for the fortunes of the Democratic Party. Last minute, can you name two people that you think would emerge right now off the top of your head?

Well, obviously, you'd have Kamala would be a candidate, I would think. And Gavin Newsom has been hanging around the edges of this for some time. He probably would run. Gretchen Whitner has a lot of credibility within the Democratic Party. She probably would.

Josh Shapiro, the popular Democratic governor and relatively centrist governor of Pennsylvania, is another possibility.

So, you know, they've got some bench. Right.

How popular they'd be nationally is another question. But some relatively moderate, attractive Democrat would be a formidable candidate. Trump's doing a good job saying out of the news. Let him have it. Let him have this news cycle.

It works for the other guy, right? It seems to. Brad, thanks so much. You always work for us. I appreciate it.

Great Britt Hume. We're barring him on a historic time, the day after a debate like no other. And I'm being kind. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian In Kill Mead.

Hi everyone, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show.

So much going on as we're trying to take in the aftermath of the worst debate that anybody could ever have pulled off. If you are President Biden. And also, we're trying to get a hold of the Supreme Court decisions as they roll out, two of which come out already. Congressman Michael Waltz will be on a little bit later. Surrogate for the former President of the United States, of course, about military foreign policy, few better, of course, long time in the Green Beret, and then joined the National Guard and just recently retired.

So we'll discuss all of that. And we'll try to squeeze in some calls this hour, I promise. I don't think Michael Waltz is not coming in. Oh, he is going to he's not coming in studio, so I'll be able to get a comment in there. First off, let's go out to Shannon Bream.

Shannon, I understand two significant Supreme Court decisions already keeping you if you weren't busy enough. And there's still more to come. Thanks for joining us. Listen, I love it. It is my joy and pleasure, but I have to tell you something.

While I'm standing here outside the Supreme Court looking over to the Capitol, I just looked up and saw a lot of sort of naked people. And it turns out there is some kind of group photo going on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. And it's sumo wrestlers, and they just have the little sumo outfit on.

So it's just another day in the nation's capital.

Okay, number one: are you sure they're sumo wrestlers? Because they have a distinctive look.

Well, they do. They have the hairstyle and the outfits. And if they're not, then I'm very concerned about what I'm looking at right now.

So, is it something you need to study? Yeah. I know. It's just, you know, like I said, it's just another day in the life of what we covered and what we do in Washington and New York and beyond. It's just.

I would t I would face time you if I could. Is it a protest or are they lost? No, they look like there is a professional photographer with them, and they are all posing on the steps, and they are getting a professional photo taken. This is not just iPhone photos. There are professional photographers here.

Do you need permission? For that? You know, I know you do on the Supreme Court steps, but I don't know. There's no one shooing them off the steps here.

So I guess either they have permission or it's, you know, take your buns out, suns out day in the spotlight. Yeah. Well, I mean we got we have to figure out get to the bottom of that. Also, while you were standing there, you can't even talk focused just on the debate last night before we talk about Fox News Sunday, and I know you'll be all over that, see what develops by the time you go on the air Sunday. But with these two Supreme Court decisions in layman's terms, tell me about the obstruction case.

So, you know, there were hundreds of January 6th defendants charged on a very specific subset of a federal obstruction statute. It was a statute that was written in the wake of Enron. And Justice Ginsburg, even years ago, when there was a case on another statute as part of this Enron package, said, we've got to be careful this stuff doesn't get too untethered from the original purpose of these financial crimes.

Well, today the court said the way that the federal government, the Justice Department, applied this to hundreds of these cases was an overreach. And they've sent directions back with this that could potentially upend hundreds of those cases. It impacts the charges against President Trump, too, because two of the Jack Smith charges in the D.C. case against him do tie to this statute.

So it's a big win for President Trump in that Jack Smith may have to decide, do I just throw out those two of the four counts against him here in D.C.? And for hundreds of January 6th defendants, they're going to be able to challenge their cases now, too. But I can tell you, some of them have already been charged, convicted, and already served their time on this statute. You can't get that back. That's true.

Now, tell me about the regulation case that came down and how it affects us.

So, you know, everything you do all day, the shampoo you use, the car you drive, the water you drink, everything is touched by federal regulations. And there was a 1984 case at the Supreme Court that said federal agencies get all the deference. If there's something ambiguous in the law that Congress passes, then these agencies who have unelected bureaucrats, we can't vote them out. That's been the criticism. They get to decide what the law actually means.

And what the court did today was threw out that 1984 case. It's known as Chevron Deference because that was the name of the case back then and said, nope, courts can actually weigh in here. You don't have to simply say, oh, a federal agency decided they win. This means that people will be able to go to court when they have an adverse ruling, say, the way that they're trying to use their land because of some federal regulation or something else, that courts say, no, we can't override these agencies in their decisions.

So it is huge, and there will be a very big meltdown. by people who love the federal bureaucratic state over that ruling. All right, Shannon, uh the oven room was ha what happened last night. Uh I was stunned by the reaction. But for people who didn't watch the debate, if there were any, uh Joe Biden was started off terrible and Also, he had some moments in between that were awful.

And then he had a way to close out, which was weird. They talked about golf for a while, but for the most part, You had a guy who later would say he had a cold, show absolutely no energy, exact opposite what he needed to do. He needed to tell people he could do the job, like on State of the Union, even though it was a campaign speech and he screamed the whole time. People say, well, he could rise to the occasion. Listen to Joe Biden, cut 16.

We got to take a look at what I was left when I became president, what Mr. Trump left me. We had an economy that was in free fall. The pandemic was so badly handled. Many people were dying.

All he said was, it's not that serious. Just inject a little bleach into your arm. You'll be all right. The economy collapsed. There were no jobs.

Unemployment rate rose to 15%. It was terrible.

So he has a scenario not many people recognize the unemployment is at 15%. Number two, he blames inflation on the former president. because of COVID, the way you handle it and all these people dying, which is Really without rationale. Your thoughts about the performance you watched. I gotta say honestly in the beginning I was actually worried about the president, you know, not making any kind of political statement or anything else.

He was lost and rambling and saying things at times that didn't make sense. They should have told us before the debate, he's not feeling well, he's got a cold, but he thinks it's important to get out here and make his case to the American people. When you do it in the middle of the debate, it looks like, okay, we're trying to cover for a lackluster performance. I mean, when he got into the thing about people need abortions because they're being raped by their in-laws. I was so confused at that point, and I thought, this is not making the case for him.

And they should have said something earlier. He's under the weather, but he's going to fight through. It's important. And I mean, whoever coached President Trump to sort of hold his fire, I think, you know, in the beginning and for most of the debate, he did a good job in not. Talking over him, jumping on him, being super sarcastic.

I mean, there's always going to be some part of that with him. But he was more controlled than I've ever seen him in one of these kind of scenarios last night.

So I think it was a good night for him. I think, as we have seen, starting with the middle of that debate on through this morning, there's definitely a bit of a panic. Among Democrats, and conversation again about whether Joe Biden stays on the ticket. Here it is, Cut 19. Thank you, President Biden.

And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we can do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers. President Trump. I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Yeah.

Because it was hard to follow. And because it was all over the place.

Well, when he said the strange thing about, you know, we were able to beat Medicaid and then Trump comes back and says, yeah, you beat it to death. I mean, there were just weird things. He brought up Afghanistan, which you would think he would never bring up Afghanistan. That is where we really saw a turn in public approval ratings for President Biden. I don't know that they've ever recovered since that point.

There was something that shifted when that happened that a majority of America decided this guy is not doing the job.

Now, will they still vote for him? Sure, some of them will. But why bring up Afghanistan? Why bring up anything related to the border or immigration or the lives lost in these very prominent cases recently? When that's a bad topic for you, it's almost as if they had rehearsed it so much and he'd heard those topics so much to be prepared for them.

That they were in his subconscious and worked into his answers when they shouldn't have.

So he's losing the black vote. They're really panicked about it. You watch James Clyburn during the week saying, parents, yell at your black children, don't vote for Trump.

Okay, fine. And he's at between 20 and 30 percent of the support, according to the polls. He was at eight. Trump was.

So he's making some gains.

So a layup from I think Jake Tapper said, basically, you're losing black support. Tell everyone what you're doing. When he lists them, they said, you still have 69 seconds.

So he couldn't even fill up two minutes about what he plans to do and what he did. I thought that told a lot. I mean, they had abortion, Ukraine, Gaza, China, economy, border, global warming. They were all there. But what did you do for black voters?

Well, excuse me, they said, okay. 49 seconds left. Anything else? He goes, no, that's it.

So yeah, and you don't want to leave time on the table. I remember when this happened with, I think it was Bush 41 during one of the debates, and it ended up as a Saturday night night live sketch. When President Bush would answer a question, they'd say, and sir, you have 55 seconds left. And he'd answer a little bit, and they'd be like, and you've got 43 seconds left. I mean, if they don't repeat that this weekend on Saturday Night Live, then they are just missing out on material that whether the the person with a an R or a D you should be using on your show.

Yeah, I mean, is by this weekend, are you going to have Democrats coming out talking to you? Have you thought about have have things changed since your original thought about your roster?

Well here's The interesting thing, we already had Senator Fetterman locked in to talk to us this weekend. And so he's going to be on the show Sunday. And he had one of the most interesting posts I thought out there this morning when he said, you know, I'm not going to jump on this bandwagon to get rid of President Biden. I know how hard these debates are. It's one night the poll said I did terrible.

And look, I turned around and won my race. I'm not abandoning him. I think he closed it with shut the F up.

So I imagine he will still hold that position on Sunday, and he may be one of the most full-throated Democrats out there willing to say it was a one-night thing. I stand by him. Yeah, I guess.

So, who else are you looking at a book? We've also got Senator J.D. Vance with us. Will he be named VP by this weekend? I don't know, but his name's still in the mix.

We've also got Congressman Mike McCall. A lot of big foreign policy issues, and he's front and center on those. Do you have something to ask me? We're who are you? On Saturday night, Brian.

Saturday at 9 o'clock. Yes, we have to do this. Thank you so much for caring, Shannon. 9 o'clock Saturday. I'm going to open up with Clay and Buck from the Clay and Buck Show.

Then I'm going to have Douglas Murray on because I need somebody smarter than me. It's very hard to do that.

Well, that's a very hard thing. That's your toughest booking of the rest. It's my hardest thing. It's the hardest thing. I'm not available.

Right.

And you're not available because you had your own show. Adam Carolla is going to be on Micro. And we're also going to have Drea DiMateo from HBO's Sopranos, who's in Hollywood, and found a way to get by Hollywood through, I think it's an OnlyFans account. That's what I've heard. Yeah.

You've got a jam-packed show there, Brian. Yeah, it might bleed into yours on Sunday.

Okay, well, listen, if you're still going, then, you know, just make sure you're caffeinated and just work on through. Right.

The one thing I want to bring up before we go: nobody's talking about the After Effects if Joe Biden stays in this. That's down ballot. I asked Speaker Johnson about this, too. I mean, this helps them keep the House. It's got to panic Senator Casey and Senator Tester for the most part because they're in a tight race.

And what's buoy Mike Rogers over in Michigan because he's going to be in a tight race when he officially gets the nomination.

So there's a huge problem if Joe Biden, a weak top of the ticket, holds on and tries to get four more years as president with the country tilting so far away from him. Do you see that linkage? Yeah, I mean, that's Chad Pergram, our senior Capitol Hill correspondent, who is the expert on everything over here, talked about how, ooh, there's this mood within Democrats that's very freaked out, that they know there's a down ballot issue. It's one thing to say, like, ooh, our nominee is in trouble, but they all know that that impacts them. And so there's going to be pressure.

For this movement, this conversation about we got to replace him because people are very self-interested in Washington. I don't know if you know that.

So if they think it's going to cost them their seat, they will potentially join that push or that conversation. And by the way, I want you to let you know that the Sumo folks have put clothes back on and they're done. Oh, they have been? The Sumo guys have their clothes back on. Is that their warm-up suit?

A robe? I don't know, but they were very care colorful, fanciful, I think is the word you would use for those. They look like something that you would, you know, be Rocky or Apollo or whoever walking into the ring, that you would have something fancy like that. You know, my pottery barn robe that I have at home.

So, for you or I, if people walk up to us and they say, Hey, Shannon, Brian, you guys are putting on some weight, we'd be insulted. If you walk up to these sumu guys, you'll go, Hey, you're looking a little thin. They go, How dare you? Exactly.

Oh, maybe that could be my next career, and then I could just go crazy on the hot butt Sundays. It would be great. Say, I'm doing it to better my career. Not this one, of course.

Okay. I like a backup plan. Go get him, Shannon. Great job, as usual. Thank you.

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Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. There's another morning show, and it's on MSNBC. And they're married. They weren't originally married until they got on the show together.

Trying to piece that together. But I'm busy in my own life. It's pretty significant when the married couple who agree on everything don't agree on the severity of Joe Biden's performance. Case in point, let's listen. Everybody calmed down, and I'll tell you why.

I mean you it's fine to not spin what happened last night and we're not going to. We had a terrible night. Everybody's calm here. You're the only one raising your voice. Everybody is calm here.

But again, it's the one. Do you think in any pl on any planet that's a good thing to say, whether you're right or wrong? Whether you're married or not, it's like the worst thing to say to someone. She handled it well instead of like getting quite annoyed because they're on television.

Well, that's true. Right.

Was she yelling, by the way? No.

It's like, um, from Meet the parents, right, with the airline attendant with Ben Siller, sir, don't anyway, but yes, it's infuriating.

Well, no, let's end this. Let's find someone else. That's not what Mike said. That attitude toward this is what I am saying slow down on. Because, again, There's no spinning it, but let's be balanced.

Let's for once show some balance in a media world that is so shrill with imbalance that we've become inured to the difference between these two candidates.

So let's put it this way. Gene Robinson, I'll go to you. We always show balance. We are, yeah. Secondly, nobody's panicking.

I said these were questions that Democrats and Joe Biden needed to ask themselves. And Mike said he missed one pitch down the middle after another and wasn't up to it last night. Right, okay. He wasn't up to it last night. He said last night.

So I I will say that it's not panic. Uh it's panic. And you could say whatever you want. I mean, to me, if I'm Trump, I'm loving this. Number one, he doesn't like those two anymore.

Number two is: I want to make sure Joe Biden's a nominee. And the more they tear each other's eyes out, that's the best scenario. They rock the boat, rock the boat, rock the boat, just like I'm not leaving. There's enough support that I can stay. And there's enough The sent that Trump could benefit.

I mean, I saw David Axrot said Republicans better host. Better hope that Joe Biden's not replaced, so they're going to be in trouble.

Okay, maybe. Who knows? Maybe you know, Trump does pretty well against young people. He did pretty well against Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley. I I really don't know if he's gonna have trouble with anybody else on the on the Democratic side with no national experience.

But I mean, to do that uh on national television, say you're the only one raising your voice. And then no one's panicking. They're panicking. They're flat out panicking. But I will say also, like, the opening of their show today, the lengths he went to to, like, just.

Kiss President Biden's rear ends to say he respects him in all of his policy, blah, blah, blah. To say like he. He's questioning whether he should continue on the ticket. It was like 10 plus minutes. And the fact she wasn't like, Joe, zip your lips, was I thought another testament to her.

See, I know nothing about the dynamics here. Yeah. Except for I know that that type of tone in the conversation will never end up with anything but an argument. Yeah, with anyone, especially your wife, though. Especially your wife.

Who happens to be a co-anchor in this case? Um Do you know if Kelly Rippa is getting along with her husband on television? I don't. That's what I'm talking about. Would you ask Eric in the break?

Absolutely. Why don't you just text her? Eric, do you know anything about Kelly Ripper? I don't. No help.

What if he was chewing gum in her ear? How did he go? That'd be the word. Why do we keep Eric on the show house? He's just no help.

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Hey, we are back. Last night they did talk a little bit about foreign policy, which is kind of a relief because four years ago they didn't. Because it was the middle debate, and the middle debate got canceled. The last one was just a mess, but it was calmer. The first one was a train wreck, and last night was an embarrassment.

Really for President Biden, who made Donald Trump look like he was 51 years old instead of 78, which he just turned 78.

So watching all that. I'm just looking at this online. China has written about it in their newspaper. They call the debate. In a in a mocking way.

Very entertaining. Noting that the President sounded quite hoarse and sometimes appearing to go off track with his remarks. I always thought that. You know, it's different for you and I and anyone in the seventh, maybe the seventy three million that watched. But what about the other countries around the world, especially the ones who mean us harm?

Joining me now is somebody who thinks about that all the time. He's on Armed Services, Congressman Michael Waltz. Michael, welcome back. Yeah, good to be with you, Brian. And thanks for pointing that out right out the Right out the gate, I mean, that was my main takeaway: it was one thing for the Democrats to have a five-alarm fire.

It's one thing for all of America to see what many of us have been talking about, any of us who have been around President Biden any length of time. But she is watching, Kim Jong-un is watching, Putin's watching, ISIS is watching, the cartels. Down in Mexico, Central America are all watching, and they all smell weakness and opportunity between now and November. And so the world is on fire right now. Maybe it's a three alarm, I don't know, but we're about to go to a five alarm between now and November.

No more debates. Uh because all of our enemies uh are watching what just occurred. Yeah, I mean I could not believe the president brought up Afghanistan. I mean, you gotta be kidding me. Why would he bring up Afghanistan, especially when he was talking about his favorite topic, and that's abortion?

But that's what he was doing.

So foreign policy was a little bit of a sh a little bit of a shock. He was all over the place, obviously. Couldn't keep a coherent thought. But, you know, to bring it up, but then to not mention the Gold Star families, thank God President Trump did. And he's spent a lot of time with these families and promised them the first day that he's in the White House, he's going to release all the tapes, all the emails, all the directives and orders.

They'll have full transparency to what happened to their loved ones. And it's one of the reasons they're so frustrated: three years on, they still don't have it. But I thought his answers across, I mean, everything from African-American and black families, HBCUs, opportunity zones. I thought President Trump really hit the mark. I'd say the only thing, I'm going to see him today at the rally down at Virginia, largest Navy base in the world, by the way.

We really need to reinvigorate our shipbuilding. Only thing I would say is: look, at this point, I mean, the whole world saw Biden literally stumble and fumble all over himself. I don't think continuing to pummel him gets us anywhere. Let's shift and cast that positive vision. Let's pivot and talk about how we're going to get the world and the United States out of this hole that the progressive left.

has put us in. And I'd like to I mean, going forward, a vote for Biden is a vote for Kamala, period. We all saw it. And here's here let's cast that positive vision going forward. All right.

Here is Joe Biden Deciding to talk about his foreign policy, Cut 30. The idea that he did something that was significant and the military. You know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan. He didn't do anything about that. When he was president, we were still finding ourselves in a position where you had a notion that we were this safe country.

The truth is, I'm the only president this century that doesn't have any. This decade, there are not any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did. What's he talking about, Congressman Waltz? Does he remember Abbey Gate? World he's living in in his mind.

It's actually, it's not just that, it's the opposite's true. We can debate on the Doha agreement that was signed with the Taliban trying to get to some kind of deal. But it's indisputable that no Americans were killed. No American soldiers were killed under that agreement for 18 months under President Trump, and then you lose 13. With that.

Disgraceful debacle of a withdrawal under Biden. I mean, I literally, I just don't know if he's just that lost or his aides are lying to him. I was stunned that he brought that up, Brian. But then, you know, more broadly, as they had, as they talked about Ukraine, and I was thrilled that President Trump had rightly said this all started with Afghanistan. You put Weakness on display for the world to see.

By the way, the only time that uh that Putin has invaded Georgia under President Bush. Crimea and part of Ukraine under Obama. They did nothing about it, but they damn well didn't do it under Trump and then did it again under Biden.

So this is about deterrence and stopping wars, not patting yourself on the back about pushing a bunch of weapons in after whole cities have been leveled and hundreds of thousands of people are dead. Right.

I also so we'll talk about that and we talk about Ukraine. I do agree with Joe Biden that they would that Vladimir Putin would love to continue to rout Eastern European countries, and they are beginning to rebuild their military and become a military industrial base and be able to use some of the technology from Iran and from China. That's something that has to be addressed. And one thing we don't want to do is say, okay, take Ukraine in the interim. No, absolutely.

And it's not just Iran pumping arms into Russia and China pumping arms into Russia. It's also North Korea that's opened up the spigots for missiles and artillery.

So Putin is digging in for the long run because of Biden's too little, too late, trickle-in strategy. They're now in a stalemate. But what President Trump knows, how do you get these sides to the table?

Well, you do it not necessarily militarily, Brian. You do it economically. And we flood the global supply with cheap, clean American oil and gas. You drive down the price of oil. I mean, Russia is a gas station with nukes.

You drive down the price of oil. He can't fund his war machine. He can't even fund his own economy. Oh, by the way, neither could Iran.

So this is a much broader issue economically, enforce the sanctions. flood global supply with American oil and gas. Then you get Putin in a position where he has to talk for his own survival. Congressman Michael Waltz, I got to ask you too about something General Kellogg is putting out, trying to sell President Trump on, and that is forcing Ukraine and Russia into a peace agreement. And we would cut off Ukraine from weapons unless Russia.

Walks out and basically holds everything in place. If they walk out, then we're going to arm them up again. How do you feel about that?

Well, look, I mean, President Trump I think it's right. To ask, do the American people believe it's in their critical national interest to drive every Russian off of every inch? Of Ukrainian soil, including Brian Crimea, which has been the stated goal of this administration. President Trump's bottom line, he's focused on how do we end this war? How do we get both sides to the table?

The outlines of what that looks like we'll see. But he has openly said he will tell Zelensky, look, you got to go to the table. We can't, this isn't just a blank check forever. And he'll tell Putin, you got to go to the table, or I'm going to put your cotton on life support. And so, look, I think that's a fair approach.

And then the debate is what are the outlines of the agreement? Yeah, I personally don't think Vladimir Putin could be trusted ever.

So the minute we stop with the weapons and ramp down, he'll start incrementally moving up through some type of Russian loyalists who just happen to be located in Ukraine.

So that's the problem. Right.

Yeah, that's the problem. And then the other piece of that is the administration, you're going to see at the NATO summit, is going to pat the Europeans on the head for going from an F student to a D student in terms of their defense contributions. It is nowhere near, Ryan, what it needs to be. They're going from 30% to maybe 50%, but watch the details. The devil's in the details.

A lot of those are pledges. Not actual contributions to their defense.

So we have to have burden sharing. Europe should be way exceeding us in terms of their contributions because we have got to pivot to China. That is the entity on this earth that could defeat us. And seeks to defeat us, is openly talking about defeating us. We just can't afford to do it all anymore.

We just literally passed the defense bill out of the House and doing everything that needs to be done with $35 trillion in debt and counting is a tall, tall order. We've got to focus on the main threat, and that's China. Right.

But I do think we have to almost double our defense budget. The next president has. Look at these legitimate threats we have. We have to figure a way to do it responsibly, but we could do it for profit as you sell these weapons to our allies. They're the best in the world.

But we have to almost double it for Americans to feel safe. We need missile defense on our West Coast, let alone our East Coast, but for sure on our West Coast now. No, that's absolutely right. North Korea just tested what they call a MERV, multiple entry reentry multiple reentry vehicles, where it's not just one nuke coming off a missile. It's it's now up to a dozen.

Warheads coming off of a single missile.

So between Iran racing towards a nuke. Right now, they're flush with cash because Biden isn't enforcing the sanctions. Kim Jong un building multiple nukes. The Chinese Navy is now larger than the U. S.

Navy. Their air force is almost larger than ours, and they're tripling their nukes. We've got serious threats. We do need to make better investments. The Pentagon, though, has got to spend that money more wisely.

You've done great reporting on the over-consolidation of the defense industry. They have to start behaving like startups. These new technologies, these drones, and unmanned submersibles and other things coming in. We've got to reform the Pentagon. We have to invest better.

But our allies, like Japan, who is doubling their defense budget, are. Also, have to step up. And if they're buying our weapons, all the better for U.S. jobs. Yeah, I always got to spell that out.

And if that's what Trump needs to hear, we'll make them, we'll make it better than anyone else, and we'll charge people. And most of our allies have the money to spend.

So they just need the weaponry to defend themselves. Overall, I think I was talking to General Jack Keene, our allies in NATO are spending to help Ukraine. Not Hungary, of course. They're against the whole thing. Not Turkey, of course, but the rest are.

But Brian, I would respectfully to General Keene, some of our allies are Poland, the Baltics, Romania, the ones that are on the front line, but Germany, France, Spain. Spain, Italy, the big economies, sit the United Kingdom aside, but those big economies in Central Europe are nowhere near what they need to be. And we haven't even started talking about Canada, which is even under Trudeau, has allowed their military to completely, completely atrophy while we have all of these threats coming from the Arctic.

So we need some tough love, some tougher love. But instead, what you see from this administration is just this kind of patting on the head and this rah-rah cheerleading.

Some of our allies absolutely deserve it. I agree with the general and I agree with what you said. But many of them are still lagging way, way behind, and they all need to step up. They've got a World War three on their doorstep, and we have to shift the focus to China. All right, there you go.

Congressman Michael Waltz, I will talk to you soon. Thanks so much. I look forward to your impression of the former President's rally today with Governor Glenn Youngkin over in Virginia, where the last three polls show him in a flat-footed tie. Thanks so much, Congressman. All right.

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So, welcome back, everybody.

So, I remember watching a video of Bronnie James when he was like six years old, and they talked about the tremendous skill he had.

Well, he ended up not as big as his dad, he's about 6'1. He ended up going to USC for a year. He had a cardiac arrest where people didn't know he was going to live or survive almost a year ago today at USC before he played a game. Then, when he finally did play, he averaged about two points a game. I was shocked when he said, I'm going to go into the NBA.

His dad says, Well, he makes his own decisions. He's a young man. Really, Dad? Why did you get involved? I mean, you know what the NBA is like.

There's only one LeBron James as great as they called him the chosen one, as great as they thought he'd be. He was actually better.

So he's still thriving at 38, which is unthinkable. He just said he is so unlikable to me that compared to Michael Jordan, I never really people don't really love LeBron James, plus, he's very political. But you know, you just see he's a great dad by all accounts.

So Bronnie James went into the draft. And of course, averaging two points a game on a very bad college team doesn't usually get you drafted. But he did in the second round to the Lakers. And that means he gets to play with his dad. This is the first time in NBA history they were pretty emotional.

They were at the same time he was only picked because he was his son. But do you like the storyline?

Well, Phoenix said they were interested too. They said that he's got he's got liabilities. I mean, to me, he absolutely should have stayed in college. They changed his coach, so he decided to leave.

So what? Was his coach the problem? Stay in college. What is the rush? Plus, remember Master P, his son is going to University of Houston.

He said, first off, he's he's top five player coming out of high school.

Well, one year younger than LeBron James. And he was telling me that You know, LeBron James is not. Necessarily, even NBA material about Bronnie James.

So that among the scouts. But I thought nepotism in sports was never gonna ha be take place because it's a meritocracy. You only have a certain amount of roster spots, especially in basketball. If you can't play, you can't play. But they feel they could develop him.

Uh Here, LeBrony James and LeBron were very emotional. Evidently, his agent, when it came to the second round, there's only two rounds in the NBA draft, told everyone, if anyone but the Lakers pick him, we're going to send him to Australia.

So you don't want to waste your pick if an agent's going to threaten to tell the player to go somewhere else to play. But is that is not A terrible move by the East. But you do it. I mean, Peyton Manning did it. Eli Manning did it.

He was drafted by the Chargers and he said, I'm not going to play for the Chargers. He forced the trade. John Elway was drafted by the Colts. He said, I will never play it down for the Colts. They forced a trade to the Broncos.

So it happens. It's not the only one, but usually not for a marginal NBA talent. Do we have any sound on this? We do cut forty-five with the fifty-fifth pick. In the 2024 NBA draft.

The Los Angeles Lakers select Bronnie James from the University of Southern California. And with that, he did it. And they show him putting on a hat in his house. And look, I'm happy for the family. Evidently, he's got another brother that's a little bit bigger, a little bit better coming up.

So LeBron said he's sticking around that long to play. The Lakers have been ancient. He helped ruin that franchise. They had one championship that was during the pandemic. No crowd.

I don't even remember it. But he basically kept telling everyone to trade everyone because he wanted to play. I mean, how is that going to play on Bronny as like a kid? Talk about trying to live up to your father. No, it's crazy.

Just say, hey, son. Stay in school. USA is a great school. You know, we're in Hollywood now. You love Los Angeles.

You know, I got a production company. They got a great film school. You could just or you could just be this crazy Division One student that just gets better and plays like crazy. But there was no rush to go to school. I don't know what was what was the problem.

So now he's going to play. He's going to have to learn two or three years on the bench. I mean, I don't see him playing much. They're going to definitely put him in, though, right?

So you can say they're father and son are on the court. You'll play a little. I mean, you dress them. But the thing is, too, if he has a great work ethic and he works with his dad, is he going to be a good, solid player? Maybe.

But you just see also, I think, about all the players behind him and in front of him, wondering, yeah. Again. But LeBron runs that league. Whatever he says goes. What I love about the league now is the best teams are successful.

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