Trump trial verdict watch; Judge gives jury lots of leeway to convict...

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Did not work.

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soldiers. And Biden, if he doesn't change his tune quickly, Iran is going to metastasize, and we're going to see some real violence coming from this group. Flailing. That's the only way to describe the whole position on Iran and this administration. And now the fight in Gaza is their $33 million, $330 million platform, this big dock built to get aid into Gaza.

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And they know it, too. 2024, Joe Biden's in a frantic effort to win back the black vote, while Trump is just days away from getting back on the campaign trail full-time. I hope. Number One. They fell way short.

There is reasonable doubt all over this case. It's simply about: did the former president know that his records, false entries for legal fees, Michael Cohn was his lawyer. Did he intend to cover up the election or to protect his family? It's everywhere. Randy Zellen is Randy Zellen, an attorney on CNN last night.

Closing arguments in the Trump trial are now finished after three hours from the defense, five plus for the prosecution. The jury gets their instructions and will begin deliberations at 10 a.m. Eastern Time today. The verdict might actually decide who the next president will be. I don't think there's any doubt about it.

We understand Trump has not left yet. Doesn't have to be there until 10. Takes him about 20 minutes to get down there, at which time he's going to go to the bike racks. He's going to speak one more time before the jury gets its instructions. Brett Baer, chief political anchor for Fox News, anchor of special report.

You can watch him weeknights, too, every single night at 6 o'clock. Brett, welcome back. Big day, right? Yeah, it is a big day. Morning.

Um Listen, it all comes down to the instructions the judge gives the jury. how the jury interprets what it's supposed to do. And You know, listen, it If you listen to legal experts who've gone through every single aspect of this, no matter what side they're on. There's a lot of criticism that the prosecution didn't get to the target they were supposed to get to. Blood?

Because of Thoughts about whether the jury fully will comprehend what it what the charge is. and all of the other things the prosecution brought to the table. And the judge that really gave the prosecution a lot of leeway. Maybe you know, they go into the jury room and they think they have to do something different. You know, it's interesting, some of the things they said over the five hours, I was caught by surprise when Hope Hicks's name came up.

They said, Well, why was she crying? She's crying because she knew she was putting her ex-boss in jail. She cried because she knew she was the nail in the coffin. Wow, that's a huge leap of faith and assumption. I'm surprised that wasn't objected to.

You know, there were a lot of people. I think, you know, listening to Jonathan Turley in the courtroom saying I was jumping out of my skin because I would have objected to that. I think maybe the defense made a A bet, a gamble, that if they objected to everything, it would seem like they were worried about the case. I don't know. I think that because the prosecution was given such wide leeway.

And because the jury went home for five days, seven days almost. Um I I think that, you know, it leans towards They're heading one way that the judge has kind of pointed them towards. I mean, the judge, it's very hard to find people that don't think the judge has acted in a partisan fashion, coming very hard down on defense. Latest one was a question from Todd Blanche when he came out and said, You realize that you could be sending a former president to jail for this, and they quickly blasted him. In terms of predictions, I was struck with Jonathan Turley said last night, cut six.

There is no federal election contribution violation here. And the judge stomped a legal expert who would have said that. And so when they go into that room, they're going to start with that proposition, and that's going to take them a long way.

Now, does that mean that it's a lead pipe cinch for conviction? No. I think what it means is that the chances of an acquittal are diminishing to the point of vanishing. But I think there's still a chance of a hung jury if any and that's where he kind of left off with you too. Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think you know, if if you're putting trial casino There's definitely more chips on hung jury than there are on acquittal, but conviction has definitely gone up. At the beginning. I I just didn't think it was possible listening to everything that was presented. But the way it was presented and it uh you know how the jury thinks about it. I I think it's possible that he gets convicted.

So I'm brought to this Punta Piak poll. They asked, if convicted, the likelihood of voting for Donald Trump, more likely, eleven percent, less likely, twenty one percent, no different, sixty five percent.

So With an election that's going to be decided, maybe last time technically 45,000 votes in battleground states. That matters.

Now that the vote is today, but we know how the America has ADD. Even the Access Hollywood tape, we're not even thinking about that come November.

So I'm wondering if this is the only if there is a conviction, if this is the only thing that happens, I wonder if we begin to forget.

However, the White House plans on making this something, if convicted, they'll never forget. Brett, what are your sources telling you how the White House will handle this? I hear the announcement's going to come. Their reaction is going to be coming from the White House? which is remarkable.

But I do think I've heard that They're going to use the two words, convicted felon. Again and again, every time they talk about their opponent, it will be convicted felon. And it even may be convicted felon and You know. X number of times indicted former president. Look, all you have to do is look at the the campaign putting Robert De Niro outside the courthouse.

and thinking that, that's a really good play. You know, this is where their head is in that they're trying to change public opinion by going celebrity on celebrity. They're trying to. you know, give oxygen to places that they haven't really had any oxygen. As far as coverage.

So it's interesting. I want to play a little De Niro, but I think Michael Tyler means more because he's the Biden's communication director, and he was the first to speak. The campaign decided over the weekend to go ahead and have a press conference, a surprise press conference, almost like guerrilla tactics to come into. Downtown New York City, where mostly Republicans have come in and spoken because Donald Trump can't because of the gag order. Listen to Michael Tyler, Cut 16.

First and foremost, we're not here today because of what's going on over there. We're here today because you all are here. And so we are glad that you're all here this morning. We're here primarily because of the threat that Donald Trump poses to the United States of America and to our democracy. All right, yeah.

They're in New York to get the press. My goodness, Brett, how fast would you be there in Washington if you knew you can get to the president? How many questions do you have ready to ask? You don't have to go anywhere to find the press if you work at the White House or have the incumbent president. What's even.

What's he even pretending to address there? Yeah, I mean, I agree, but he's saying the quiet part, how loud. In other words, In order to get on MSNBC, We have to tangentially talk about this trial or be outside it. Otherwise, you guys won't talk about us. I think is what he's saying.

But all he has to do is make his president available. And that would become the top lead story in all these news networks. But he doesn't want to, as you know, President Biden is never available, it seems.

So when I heard the response that Robert De Niro was getting, and the yells and the cat calls and the baiting and the heckles, I realized the risk again from last week. Imagine if President Trump went to the South Bronx, a small crowd shows up, and most of them were hostile, and they overwhelm his remarks. That's a huge risk.

Now, Robert De Niro comes to New York City, a city that he says he loves, grew up in, tried the Tribeca Film Festival, and listen to how he's greeted, cut 15. We're trying to be gentlemen in this world. You're washed out. You are gangsters. You are gangsters.

You're washed out. You. You are fing smart. Here, a paid shout-out for the DNC. A pole seller.

He is so angry. Have you watched any of the award shows, Brett? He gets on there, he gets a Lifetime Achievement Awards, and he just decides to go off on Donald Trump.

So why would you bring him out? He goes he plays Robert Mueller on SNL. He's obsessed. He's deranged. I You know, My guess it's it's that star power was gonna break through.

the the gauze of Trial coverage 24-7? I guess. Even MSNBC, I don't think, took it. Nobody did, except us. Yeah, they did play it.

Um I I'm guessing that's that's what it is. But in reality, I mean, what he said is what he's been saying. And it's not anything new. He's not making, I don't think, any headway with independents or somebody who's in undecided about where they are in the election. I mean, if you believe that Donald Tr Trump is a threat to democracy and is never going to leave the White House if he is elected again, you're probably not going to vote for them.

I agree. Uh so We have a lot of different moving parts going on right now, but we're going to find out after the trial what Madison doesn't. Lastly, Joe Biden is now going to try to, again, rally support among the African-American community. Today, he goes to Philadelphia with Wesmore, governor of Maryland, with Cedric Richmond, the guy who used to run his campaign, and other black leaders to try to put together a team to win back the vote. You know what it shows me, Brett?

That right now the stats say he's got 20 to 23 percent of the black vote to Donald Trump. I think the internals are even worse because they are trying to put something together rapidly again. Five and a half months out into the election. How do you read it? Yeah, I do.

I I see desperation. No, I will say, Wes Moore is a really accomplished politician who is somebody who is a bright, bright star for the party. And I think Democrats are going to see him. long into the future because He's a guy that is trying to reach across the aisle in Maryland. He's trying to get stuff done.

So. I mean, he's with the right crew, but they must be looking at numbers that are totally upside down. on on black vote. And if you think about it, If it's a traditional election, if Republicans get two, three percent more. than they did before.

It changes the dynamic in every swing state.

So You know, it's a major, major deal for Democrats to hold on to the black vote. If there's a conviction, maybe they move the needle a couple points with suburban women or independents in the suburbs.

So they really need to hold the line. on the blackthroat. It's it's all about math, each one of these demographics. And as we get closer to November, They're going to be scrutinizing every shift. And I think, I think.

uh the former president has Had kind of an earthquake shift with Hispanics and black voters. Yeah, let's see if we can keep it going because the Biden team thinks the best thing that could happen to them is for Donald Trump to start campaigning again. They always feel they can pull out a nugget or two and make it hang it around his neck and make it negative. I actually think the American people don't need anybody to define who Trump is. We all have figured it out.

Brett? Thanks so much for your quality time. Have you named your panel today? I have not. I'm having my morning meeting in just about forty minutes, and I will find out who's on the panel.

But I'm sure there'll be fair balance on it for it. One thing they used to do when they had cuts in soccer in high school, they would put the people up that made the team And if you don't see your name there, you're cut. Do you put up the people that are not going to be your panelists first? And then how do you do it? Yeah.

No, I just, you know, they give 'em a call. Tell them they're tapped. You know, it's no list. Molly Hemingway is not going to a list on the wall. No, okay.

No, no, no, no. Give her a call. Brett Beard, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

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Yeah. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead. They fell way short because let's start with reasonable doubt. What is reasonable doubt?

And it's not simply a doubt based upon reason. Any time a human being needs to make an important decision in life. If you have enough information. For example, doctor says you need open heart surgery. Doc, go ahead and schedule.

I don't have a reasonable doubt. Conversely, if I say, I appreciate it, but I need a second opinion, I need more information, that is having a reasonable doubt. There is reasonable doubt. All over this case. That is another attorney on another network making it clear the defense has a lot of reason to be hopeful.

But the worry is, a lot of experts say, including Jonathan Turley, the way the judge is skewing everything, these instructions most likely will lower the threshold for conviction. And that's, I hope, that New Yorkers will buck the trend of being this liberal city that does not like Trump all of a sudden since he became a politician. They used to love him and actually do the right thing. And that is, this never should have been a case to begin with. And I think everybody listening to me knows this.

Lara is over in Louisville, Kentucky. Hey, Lara. Bye. How's this going to turn out? I think he's going to be convicted because I think this jury has probably been paid off from the get-go.

Not paid off. That wouldn't be happening.

Well, but something because they want him in jail and there's nobody that's doing anything. I mean, we're screaming loudly, but who's going to stop them from doing what they want? And That I think that I mean, I don't I don't want him to be convicted, but I think that. If he's not convicted, I'll probably be the happiest person on the planet because I think that they're going to do it.

Well, I'll put it this way: yeah, it looks like it's the only case that's going to see the light of day. Can you imagine we have to go through this again with the jury selection and everything on down? Imagine if this happens in, I don't know, in August, and we're doing this again on the documents case, the January 6th case, or the Georgia case. I don't think the case has been proven. We don't know because we're not watching, so we really can't make our opinions.

We just be able to go with people we trust. We know Donald Trump has now left the tower. He is en route right now to the courthouse. My sense is he'll be in 15 minutes. He's going to be addressing us, the press, and then go into the court and get the jury instructions.

Remember, the closing arguments have been made. Citing stuff. The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Killmade. Democrats might be better off replacing.

Joe Biden on the ticket. If you were really as concerned, About defeating Donald Trump as Democrats claim they are, then you should be doing everything in your power to maximize the chance that you win. That is Nate Silver, 538, talking about what's going on right now with the trends. And we see all the headlines that are popping out among Democrats and how they are not confident right now they have the right guy. We see him.

I'll give you an example. There's some that stand out. Uh Politico, yesterday, Demsen full-blown freak out over Biden. The Hill, Biden's weakness becomes bigger and bigger worry for Democrats. Newsweek, Joe Biden is the least popular president in 75 years.

How does the editor-in-chief of National Review feel about it? Rich Lowry joins us now. Rich, how real is a lot of this worry about Biden from the left? I think it's real. I think Democrats are freaked out.

I mean, you j just look at the polling, and why wouldn't you be freaked out, right? I mean, it's on a trajectory. to lose to this guy that they consider a threat to democracy, right? I think they're really worried. They're not showing it publicly because I don't think there are many good options now.

The way to have dealt with this problem was it was really all in Joe Biden's hands. But last year she should have gone to Joe and said, honey, you know, it's just we're a little too old for this. You've done great things. You beat Donald Trump. You revived the American economy.

But let's step aside gracefully. She didn't do that or failing that for a serious Democrat to run against Biden, which didn't happen either.

So now I think they're just stuck with him. I don't know how you switch him out absent some really genuine health event, God forbid, a serious fall. He's their guy, and they're just going to have to hope for the best. Right. And they have a couple of things that are going to be coming up.

The debates at the end of this month and the verdict that could come down as early as today.

Now see this poll from Quinnipiac that says essentially, if There was something if there is a conviction. What would the reaction be?

So Quinnipiak does this poll. The question is, if convicted, likelihood of voting for Trump? More likely, eleven percent. Less likely, twenty one percent, no different, sixty five percent. But as you know, Rich, With a campaign that could be defined really Settled on 10,000, maybe 20,000, 40,000, 50,000 votes.

This matters. What do you take from it? You know, it could matter. Who knows? This has never happened before.

We're going to pass the event horizon and find out what it's like past this point if he's convicted, which could happen, you know, today, tomorrow, or sometime this week. I would just think that that poll that you cited, that's kind of the high watermark for how much this is going to hurt Trump. I think it's going to be absorbed. If it happens, it's going to be absorbed into the background pretty quickly. And we'll be a top 30 issue in the campaign as opposed to a top three.

You know, those top issues aren't aren't going away. And inflation in the border, and for the Democrats, of course, abortion. This election will be decided by big things. And I just don't think that a conviction in this case will be a big thing at the end of the day.

Now, I know, Rich, you told me at one point the only thing you feared among the Joe Biden cadre is if they start weaponizing Robert De Niro because you feared his political action. Here's an example. Your greatest fear came to fruition yesterday, 2012. We make group of clowns for each zone. But no one takes him or took him really seriously.

They take him seriously now, of course. But around the country, people who didn't know him as we did, started to support him. They bought into his book Trump bought their votes with outrageous lies. And empty promises.

So he went out there and said, We got to stop him. He says he's going to ruin New York. Ha ha ha ha. Mm-hmm. What's next?

They're going to have a Bruce Springsteen concert. There's always at the end of this campaign the big Bruce Springsteen concert that's supposed to turn out the vote for the Democrats. I don't know, maybe they think they gained by this, just that it did get a lot of attention. But th this isn't a message suited to persuade anyone, and no one that's not already convinced they're voting for Biden is going to be swayed by Robert De Niro. Certainly not the swing voters and the Latino males and black males they're worried about.

Right. But this is not something you want attention on. You want to separate yourself from the trial. You want to say that this is just justice working itself through. I'm just trying to win four more years in office.

Instead, you send Michael Tyler down there, the Biden reelection spokesperson, and then he introduces Robert De Niro, who takes off his $3 mask and spouts evil curses while being overwhelmed by the New York crowd who is just heckling him nonstop, along with setting off a car alarm while he was speaking. And they never let the cops speak that evidently were hurt on January 6th. How does this make any sense? This terrible stuff, terrible decision. This was not their approach for the entirety of the trial until now, right?

Like really the only reference you had so far was that crappy line in Joe Biden's debate video, I hear you're available on Wednesdays. But I guess it's maybe part of an effort to think they need to change its trajectory, which they do. I'm just not sure that this is it. There's some reference in the New York Times the other day about a debate in the White House whether they're going to call Trump a convicted felon if he's convicted. There's no doubt, right, that they're they're going to do it and do it a lot.

You know, we'll hear ten times in the debate alone if it happens. Yeah, it's so odd. I don't feel like there's anybody in charge.

Meanwhile, I've talked to Charlemagne the God and other people, and he's saying to me, Vice President Harris has really been hamstrung. They don't let her do anything.

Well, they don't let the President do anything. And brings up one question: who is actually running things? Mm-hmm. Yeah, well I mean there's a cadre inside the White House and we'll find out more if Biden loses in a couple of years when the campaign memoirs come out. And we'll also learn about how freaked out people were on the inside about Biden's mental and physical health the whole time.

Yeah, I think it's absolutely terrible. Here's what I thought this would be interesting. Here's what Charlamagne the God told me today, oh, is there today? And this is what he sold Guttfeld last night, just about what the problem is with Joe Biden, Cut 23. James Carville is absolutely right.

What I've been saying over and over is they spend so much time telling America how bad Donald Trump is, but not enough time saying what they feel President Biden has done right. And then when you know their constituents will be like, well, what has President Biden done or where has the vice president been?

Well, we would know if you didn't spend all your time on MSNBC, CNN, and on your social media feeds just constantly pumping out Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. Like, that's not an effective strategy, if you ask me. And that's the reason why he's losing the black vote. He's fanning out again to go get it. In Philadelphia today, he's asking Wesmore and Cedric Richmond and others to help him go get it.

And meanwhile, he's saying that's because you never talk about yourself. All you do is obsess on Trump. It makes people hate Trump, but not like you. Yeah, I think there's something to that. But Brian, he does try to tout his record, right?

It's just no one really cares about any of this stuff, and it's all overwhelmed by inflation and the chaos at the border and abroad.

So clearly, though, they're worried. I mean, he wouldn't be in Philadelphia if they weren't worried. They wouldn't be spending so much on black on advertising. Targeted to black voters if they weren't worried. I kind of think the Latino thing is definitely real, and Trump is going to overperform among Latinos and do better than he did in 2020.

The black thing is more provisional, right? It might be more at the margins, but you don't really need blacks to turn out and vote for Donald Trump. You just need them not to turn out in the same kind of numbers for Joe Biden in a place like Philadelphia, and that could make the difference in Pennsylvania. And Pennsylvania could decide this election. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: And by the way, just so you know, the whole interview will be on a podcast.

On BrianKilmejo.com. It'll be a podcast on Charlemagne. Really an influential guy with the Breakfast Club who's got his own business, got his own podcast network, he's got his own publishing company, came from absolutely nowhere.

So I want you to hear Pete Buttigudges at it again. This guy, who everyone thought was the future of the Democratic Party, continues to be the worst transportation secretary in modern memory. And now he says he has an excuse for the turbulence in the sky that people are experiencing, and some of these planes seem to be falling apart. Listen to his explanation. The effects of climate change are already upon us in terms of our transportation.

We've seen that in the form of everything from heat waves that shouldn't statistically even be possible, threatening to melt the cables of transit systems in the Pacific Northwest, to hurricane seasons becoming more and more extreme, and indications that turbulence is up by about 15%. All right. Michael Schellenberger answered him on Substack Cut30. There's a single study that everybody is now citing. The media are all now writing stories about.

I think because Pete Buttijudge mentioned it, but there was a revision to that study. They found it's not statistically significant. It was a model. And I look, the bigger point is that, like, first of all, the one guy who they said died from turbulence, he had a heart attack.

So we can't really attribute it. I thought he hit his head when I first heard about it. And there's been no other deaths since 2009 from turbulence.

So, I mean, this is junk science. I mean, you know, it's just absurd. The idea that turbulence is this major threat to human life is just shows how crazy the debate has become.

So, your thoughts on this? Yeah, I mean, Brian, this is what they always do. They take some study that maybe it's just one study, and apparently, in this case, it is just one study, and there might be a flaw in it, or it might be a really cautionary finding, and then they blow it up. Like, it's definitive proof of the extreme effects of climate change. And they did the same thing during COVID.

You know, you'd get a study saying if you have a surgical mask and it fits exactly right and you change it every two hours and exactly the right way, you reduce your chances of getting an infection by 15%. And they're like, everyone has to wear a mask, you know?

So it's the same thing. They have the predetermined result, and then they manufacture the science to support it. All right, when incredulous, Margaret Brennan was like, really? I never thought that.

So get this.

So you know the infrastructure bill that he famously passed in Trump, but it always says Trump was able never to do it. I was able to do it.

Well, what are you doing with the money? Remember, Barack Obama famously said, I found out later there were no shovel-ready projects.

Well, it turns out that this guy's just got no shovels. They want to build these terminals to make everybody buy an electric car and make it affordable, usable, and practical. But when asked about this, the problem is this thing called results. Write that on a white piece of paper and circle it. Listen to this exchange.

The Federal Highway Administration says only seven or eight charging stations have been produced with a $7.5 billion investment that taxpayers made back in 2021. Why isn't that happening more quickly?

So the president's goal is to have half a million chargers up by the end of this decade.

Now, in order to do a charger, it's more than just plunking a small device into the ground. There's utility work, and this is also really a new category of federal investment. But we've been working with each of the 50 states. Every one of them is getting formula dollars to do this work, engaging them in the first handful. Again, by 2030, 500,000 chargers.

And the very first handful of chargers are now already being physically built. But again, that's the absolute very, very beginning stages of the construction. It is not. It's been two years, three years, seven or eight's been building. It's on the road to half a million, Brian, right?

It's closer than zero or five, seven or eight. I mean, one, we're not good at building stuff in this country anymore, which is a shame, but we've done it to ourselves. We tie our hands with red tape. And, you know, he's right. It's just a hugely complicated thing, right?

It's not easy. But you know what we have actually at the moment? Gas stations. You know, we've had it for 100 years. There are, you know, I don't know, a million gas pumps in the U.S.

And you go there and it takes five minutes and you're done. And, you know, I think hybrids, people will, there's a chance that people will pick up on hybrids because, you know, if there's not electricity available, you just pump gas. But the rush to electric and to force people into it, it's a boutique product that upper-income people who have three cars, you know, they like want to get a lot of money. Of them being electric or being a Tesla because it's really cool. But the idea that most people are going to be dependent on these things when there are no charging stations is insane.

I hear you. And I do know that the electric cars with the subsidies are running out, and no one's running out and buying them, but hybrids are because they get subsidized. But if you have to pay for that battery and the replacement battery, that's where the rubber hits the road. Nobody can answer that question. I was just shopping for a car, too.

In New York, we're going to have carbon states and non-carbon states. Don't go buy a car in parts in Florida. Buy a car in Florida, and then you bring it down. You don't want to buy anything in New York or California. You do want to get the incentives, but everybody at these dealerships does not think people are going to come back as soon as these certificates dry up.

Rich, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Thanks, Brian. All right. A lot going on. 1-866-408-7669. When we come back, I'll take some of your calls, and we're also continuing to remonitor events.

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If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome back, everybody. You had a chance to talk to Charlemagne the guy. He's got a book out now.

I really recommend you read Why? It's a great biography story. For those of you who feel as though everyone was born on third base except you, he wasn't and he isn't, and he fights every day to never be fired. That's why he formed his own businesses, podcast network, his own publisher. I think he owns a breakfast club, too.

I think he's in business with his syndicator. And the name of the book is Get Honest to Die Lying.

Now, I went to meet him ahead of time, thanks to Jake Steinfeld and Kennedy, who are friends with him. And Jake's a great friend of the show, and Kennedy's the best at Fox. And at which time we went to lunch, when we just got to meet him, it was like a date. It's like, hey, Charlemagne, meet Brian Bryan, meet Charlemagne. And the guy just walks up to us and just starts cursing at me.

So I thought about the whole story, and then Charlemagne brought it up on the air. Let's listen. I appreciate you, Brian. All right, absolutely. This was a lot smoother than our lunch when we were interrupted.

Oh, yeah, oh, that now that was crazy. That's when I was like, yo, working for Fox ain't worth it. We was out, it was me, you and Kennedy. You know, Kennedy's a longtime friend of mine. Kennedy used to work at iHeart.

And this dude walked up to you and the dude goes, Yeah, Brian, you go, what's up? He goes, go f yourself. I was like, whoa. Like, and boy, when I say Kennedy cursed that dude out so crazy. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. I mean, it was, I mean, he was an amazing curse word. Like, I text Kennedy later and was like, yo, your curse words were impeccable. Yeah, they were perfect. At lunch, they weren't random curses.

No, and it was intentional. He was like, yeah, have a good day. And she was like, we are going to have a good day. You know why we're going to have a good day? Because we're not interrupting people's lunches, okay?

Telling them to go F they self for no reason. How beautiful is your life, huh? I was like, damn, that is pretty good. This whole interview belongs to Kennedy. We should dedicate it to you.

Absolutely, Kennedy. Look to your book. And that great sweater, get honest or die lying. That's right. Why small talk sucks.

Charlemagne, the guy. We had no small talk. It was all real. That's right. Thanks.

Absolutely. Oh, man. Thanks for doing that. Absolutely. And hopefully, it's just a start.

It doesn't matter. I just think it doesn't matter if you agree with somebody. Got to get their point of view. Try to win them over if you can, but have a conversation. He says he wants to do that more, and he's coming back again.

Hey, Pat, you're in. Uh you're in York, Pennsylvania, I guess. Hey, Pat. Hey. I just wanted to say that when I heard Biden's going to have a presser after the verdict is announced, Trump's guilty.

There's no way, I mean, he wouldn't have said that unless he knew the outcome. Do you think he is? Yes. No, I don't think he is. My God, it's going to break my heart.

But no. Got it. It's bad what the Dems are doing to this country. And I'll be right back. We'll see.

But no, but only the ASAP is nobody can predict what seven men and five women will do. And even the judge, Brian in Florida. Brian, real quick, what's going to happen with this verdict? Uh well I'm uh worried about the judge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then my concern is what happens if Trump wins. Are they going to leave the White House? Democrats do what they claim others are doing, right?

Well, Obama left when he was termed limited out. He did call up Hillary and tell her to concede. And Joe Biden would listen to Barack. I think they would have to at this point because they've staked their whole campaign and their whole six years off what would happen on January 6th.

So there's going to be pressure on them not to even protest. Remember Stacey Abrams now denies she even protested the governor's race. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everybody.

Welcome to the latest moment to the Brian Kilmead Show. A lot of times, you have big stories that are happening in New York that are big to New Yorkers, and other times you have big stories in New York that are big to the country and the world, and that's what's happening today. I mean, all eyes are fixed on Donald Trump. He has just walked into the courtroom. This is day 22 for him.

What's significant about today? Yesterday, the prosecution finished up and after five hours, and the defense finished up after three hours. And then the court proceedings are going to get underway today, where we believe. And I'm always hoping, I'll give a little bit of caveat. We don't know for sure.

This very biased judge. Mershon will give jury instructions. It could take about an hour. They say that this is really going to decide innocence or guilt because talk about the scope in which they want the jury to focus on seven men, five women.

Now, we don't know how it's going to go, but I think it's pretty significant when Jonathan Turley comes out and he is just flabbergasted by the partisanship of this judge. But when he came out and said acquittal is almost off the table Hung Juri is best scenario. and conviction is likely And to say that He doesn't think it's right, but he's just deciding what he thinks will happen. But saying acquittal is possible. Then I see this story in Politico today that the Trump team is eyeing this one juror, this one juror that's been seen nodding along with the defense often.

And when Different Republicans have walked in, high-profile Republicans have walked in to show support the ice box in that courtroom, like J.D. Vance. They seem almost starstruck in seeing him in person.

So they think, I don't know if it's a man or a woman, they think they're eyeing this one jewel that could be the difference.

So let's see what happens. It only takes one to say, yeah, I don't, yeah, whatever happened, happened. Remember, what you're actually looking at. They actually believe. That if Stormy Daniels' story got out in 2016, Donald Trump wouldn't have won the election.

Okay, here we go again. You don't think he would have won? He only won because of the Russians. He only won because of Hillary Clinton's emails. He only won, but he didn't win the popular vote.

Now he only won. Because the Stormy Daniels story didn't get out.

Something had happened in 2011 that had been written up before, and he had been extorted. To pay money or have this come out.

So he got rid of it right after they accessed Hollywood Tape. No one really believes that. I don't think many people believe it's the strongest case. In fact, I talked to Charlemagne the God. He's definitely a Democrat, definitely not a Trump fan.

You could even say that he says he has Trump derangement syndrome. He actually says Flat out. That uh that this shouldn't is not the strongest case. and that maybe it shouldn't have been brought. This hour going to be turned by Governor Mike Huckabee at the ramifications of this election result from what we've seen so far.

And Michael Petrie. Mike is one of the people who wants to flip a seat back to where George Santos left him in Republican hands. He's going to be running against Tom Swazi locally. It's one of these key seats that Republicans hope to flip in order to stay in the majority. But get this: $100 million is now being earmarked for Democrats to get the House running on one issue.

It goes to a super PAC, and that one issue is abortion. They think abortion.

Well Be the reason why they flipped the House. As bad as the Republicans have acted with each other. Getting rid of their speaker, not electing another speaker, not backing their current speaker, trying to flip this speaker. Fighting constantly. Primering each other?

They got an excellent chance to hold the House, and they certainly have a good chance to take the Senate. Good news yesterday for me, anyway. This veteran who does a great job of the border, Congressman Tony Gonzalez, wants to solve problems, has won his primary just barely over Brandon Herrera on the 23rd Congressional District. Why? He signed on to John Gordon, John Cornyn's gun legislation, which doesn't take your guns away, but it tries to keep crazy people from getting guns.

That's all.

So I thought it was reasonable legislation, of course. It got ruined because Joe Biden took credit for it and said, Same was a bipartisan push that came from the Senate in Texas. But we'll see what happens.

So, what will happen today and what has happened yesterday? As I mentioned before, Jonathan Turley kind of broke it down. And what he's really chagrined about, because he loves the law, is just the actions and conduct of Judge Mershond, blatantly biased, cut one. What I saw today was, frankly, outrageous. At one point, the prosecutor actually said Michael Cohen committed federal election violations upon the orders of Donald Trump.

Mershon has given an instruction that the jury is not supposed to attribute Cohen's plea deal as an issue of guilt towards Trump.

So the defense objected, and Mershon just overruled it and allowed the prosecutor to repeatedly state that federal election violations by Trump are a fact and that there's not any dispute to that. Mershon just sat there. He was as useful as a FICUS plant in that courtroom. But don't you think the fence should have done something? The strategy was: they said defense keeps on getting.

Um their objections keep getting Nullified, so they didn't want to aggravate the situation further, let them finish. But if doesn't defense put their hand up and say, you gotta be kidding me, you can assume that because Michael Cohen pled to election violation, that Donald Trump is guilty too.

So what did the defense do for three hours? They maintained that Trump payments to Cohen were reimbursements for valid legal work. The two came to the idea of a conspiracy to influence the 2016 campaign by arguing that alleged falsification of records happened after Election Day, all true. They sought to cast doubt of the veracity of a recording in which Trump reportedly talks about burying the Karen McDougal story. He argued that the infamous Access Hollywood tape was not actually a crisis from which the Trump campaign was scrambling to recover.

Of course, that is not true. They had recovered already and they had gotten back online. But guess what happened? Hillary Clinton also had her laptop scandal when Congressman Weiner found on his laptop a whole bunch more of Hillary Clinton emails she never should have taken that she took home from the State Department. Another reason why she lost.

And finally, they said Stormy Daniel was just trying to extort Trump, which there is great reason to believe when you hear the conversations with their attorney saying when Trump loses, we lose all power with this Trump situation, and therefore we got to do this deal before the election.

Well Trump won. And they did the deal after the election. The check was written. The question is, they brought back different excerpts from different Trump books talking about how it's important to run your company and be on top of all your expenses, and they used that against Trump. All right, that's fine.

It doesn't mean that as President of the United States you handle your job the same way you do your company because he was told you cannot run your business. He did have to sign some checks early on. They were brought to the White House. What they were brought for, now they have to dig down and say, okay, if you have an NDA. As I brought up before, it could be a business partner, a relationship, former girlfriend, boyfriend, and they're going to come out and say bad things about you.

What you do is you have an NDA, it's oftentimes a payment. Or mutual agreement. It doesn't mean you're guilty of anything. It means you want to avoid the embarrassment, maybe help with the election. Doesn't matter.

You can have NDAs. And they say congresspeople, men and women, have them all over. That's why you see a lot of people very quiet about all this. That's what he needs to be disseminated by this judge.

So Jonathan Turley all went on Hannity last night. Just questioned more and more about the closing arguments that the prosecution was allowed to get away with. I kept on waiting, looking at him for some sign that he was even listening to some of these arguments. At one point, the prosecutor said that Hope Hicks burst into tears because she knew that she had destroyed any defense by Donald Trump. Really?

How do you know that? And I know that for a fact, that is not true. That is not why she broke it. It was the pressure of thinking about this trial, going through the trial, going through all the questions and answers, and also remembering those times in which he really had a great time and also the stress that they went through together. Before when he was doing the apprentice, Hope Hicks was part of the Trump team.

Through the campaign, she was basically the steadiest member of the Trump team. Through all the changes at the top, she was the constant with the Trump team. And then when they took office, she was there. She got caught up in all this Mueller stuff for no reason, wrongly accused. She left and then went back again.

Then January sixth happened and she left, and she hasn't really talked to him since.

So she sees all this going on, she got emotional. Doesn't mean she thinks she destroyed him. At the very least, you stand up, even I know this, and say, What are you saying? You're saying that she's crying? Did she say that?

Of course she didn't say that.

So, the objection should be sustained. Instead, he left it out there.

So, that's what Jonathan Turley is looking at. He worries about how this jury interprets this. And we're never going to know what the jury thinks until they give interviews after, and I'm sure they will. And lastly, just on this, Alan Dershowitz weighed in on just what this means in the legal system. He was on last night, on with Sean Hannity, and how the jury cannot convict Trump and still believe.

Convict Trump. Without believing that Michael Cohen was telling the truth. It really is all based on Michael Cohen. He's the sole eyewitness outside Keith. Schiller outside Alan Weisenberg, who the prosecution chose not to call.

Cut seven. telling the jury that You can convict without Michael Cohn. You cannot. Without Michael Cohn, there is no evidence that Donald Trump. Directed the listing of these payments as legal or retained.

Only Michael Cohen does that. There is evidence that it was so listed, but that doesn't corroborate Michael Cohen.

So the prosecution misled the jury by telling them that you can convict without Michael Cohen. You cannot. You must believe Michael Cohen's account of those two meetings in order to convict. And I hope the judge so instructs the jury. And right now that instruction is taking place.

And everybody's really interested. Everyone has different predictions. Again, I'm going to ask this: you to tell me what you think is going to happen. How would you want to happen from what you've heard, from the analysis you've obtained, from the transcripts you may have read, from the summations that may have come across your desk or you've seen on Fox or anywhere else? What do you think?

Laura, you're in Maryland, hey, Laura? Hey, Brian, how are you? Good.

Well, I'm hoping there's an acquittal or a home jury at the very least. Uh This has been a crooked, this has been a scam from the beginning, and it's heartbreaking to see our country going this way. Are you going to vote when it comes to Laura? When it comes to the Senate race, are you interested in voting for Senator Hogan? Or Governor Hogan?

Well He's a Republican. He's on the Republican ticket, but I'm not really in favor of him because. He didn't support Trump, and I don't like that. Yeah, he's definitely an anti-Trumper, but he is certainly a Republican, and he's very respected in Maryland. Probably the only Republican that could get elected there that could decide the balance of power in the Senate.

But he'll be like Mitt Romney, no doubt about it. Maybe more reasonable. Laura, thank you. When we come back, I'm going to talk to Michael Petrie. When you talk to Mike, you five a guy that wants to take on Tom Swazi and reclaim that George Santos seat.

Can he do it? He had. Success in the state? And how does he feel about The world of cricket, the cricket Super Bowl, the cricket championships coming to Long Island has already been a terror threat. You're talking about Pakistan.

Bangladesh Middle Eastern countries, England of course, Australia, all playing cricket. 45,000 people on Long Island. A 45,000-seat stadium they just built just for this purpose. This is the brain, kill me show. Don't move.

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This is the Brian Kill Me Show. We make room for clowns for each Azoria. But no one takes him or took him really seriously. They take him seriously now, of course. But around the country, people who didn't know him as we did, started to support him.

They bought into his bo Trump bought their votes with outrageous lies. and empty promises. That is Al Pacino. Excuse me, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro. Is there a difference?

Robert De Niro, yesterday in New York City, going after Donald Trump because he wants to save New York. He says Donald Trump will destroy New York.

Well, did he last time? Jodi Gasantinow is a guy who knows all about New York and an area in which Donald Trump dominates, and that is Long Island, most of it anyway. He's a candidate for Congress in the third district. You're right. That was the one George Santos blew up because he had no credibility and is a big liar.

But Tom Swazzi, who was involved in the runoff election, to fill that seat, and he won. And he is well known in that area. Michael Petri wants to make it a Republican seat again. Joins us now. Mike, welcome back.

Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. And Mike knows the area, too. He's a former Republican New York State Assemblyman for the 9th District until his term expired over in 2020. Mike, before you talk about your race, your thoughts about.

Robert De Niro trying to save New York City because Donald Trump will destroy it. Does that seem possible? I mean, this is classic De Niro. I mean, this is all he does is an acting job. I don't know why we even care, frankly, about his opinions, which are devoid of any substance.

When meanwhile, we look at the truth of what Donald Trump's presidency provided to our country, which was peace across the world, secure borders, low cost of living. I mean, that's the facts of the matter.

So when he's coming out and he wants to put over his words, that means nothing because what we look at is the facts. And the facts of the matter is that having a President Trump is so much better than having a President Biden.

So why do you think Tom Swazi has come out? He wants to get tough on the border. He wants to be the Henry Queard who has now got himself in some trouble in Texas, but is somebody who's been strong in the border and he's actually pro-life Democrat. Tom Swazi's almost taken that mantle. Is that Tom, the Tom Swazi you know, is that how he ruled when he was in Congress prior to trying to run for governor?

Yeah, this is just classic bait and switch. I mean, this is what you're seeing: my race is all about giving the people. To vote for, not just vote against. You have Tom Flossy created the problems of the past, right? This is the guy that supports funding sanctuary cities.

This is the guy that supports repealing qualified immunity. This is a guy that turns his back on police and keeping our communities safe. But more importantly, this is the guy that raises the cost of living. I mean, during his time as county executive, he increased the taxes by 200 million. I mean, you just look at what he's done.

And then, meanwhile, you look at what we've done as a state assemblyman, where we stood side by side with police. We rode along with ICE, championing secure borders. We wanted to make sure we had a low cost of living. And more importantly, I'm part of the younger generation, Bri.

So when people are looking at me, they're saying, hey, we need people coming to Long Island, coming to New York, not leaving. And the problems are that we have these Democrat policies in place that are hurting us. And we need now Republican policies that are going to focus on doing right by our homes, our families, our children. That's what matters. And the people want truth and authenticity.

Not someone's going to smile at your face and stab you in the back like we have now.

Well, Dan, you have a governor, too, who called the people. That showed up in the South Bronx clowns. Is that how you viewed them? Yeah, we saw how Hillary Clinton called them deplorables and how that worked out for her.

So I don't think Hulko's really following the right people here and focusing on actual law-abiding citizens who just want the real government to do what's right by us instead of giving handouts to illegal immigrants and allowing them to come over the border and then giving them all the money that we work for, transferring it to now them. That's not right. In my opinion, that's a clown. Toe, have you gotten Donald Trump's endorsement?

So I'm working on that right now. I would love to have President Trump's endorsement, and I would hope that he does so, knowing that we've been a strong advocate for the people and that we've been a leader of issues that are focused on bringing our twentieth century government into the twenty first century now more than ever. Why do you think Schweizer is able to win the runoff election?

Well, I think it came down to a multitude. It was backlash against the predecessor and the fraud. It was a matter of people had felt comfortable. We had a big snowstorm that day. And ultimately, what it comes down to is we want to have a strong advocate for our future.

That's where I'm coming in. People know that I believe by action. I already did it before as a state assemblyman. I say it like it is. I do what needs to be done.

And I have a spine, unlike those who are spineless who are currently in office. I want to have it where now we're focused on that future. We stand side by side, supporting President Trump to do what's right for our country first. And making sure we have an advocate, most importantly, for Long Island. Not someone that's going to make millions of dollars trading stocks in Congress like Swazi has done.

We want somebody that's focused on bringing the money back to the people and putting money in their pockets rather than their own. All right, Michael Petrie, best of luck. Hope you get that endorsement from President Trump because the last one did not. And we'll see. That is the swing district on Long Island.

Coming up next, Governor Mike Huckabee. Don't move. You listen to the brain. Kill me chill where the jury is getting instructions now from the judge. Should be wrapped up in about 20 minutes, and who knows when the verdict will be in?

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back now. We're watching everything going on in downtown New York City and also seeing the rest of 2024 where the president of the United States is. Where is he today?

In Philadelphia again. Not unusual to try to win Pennsylvania and try to maximize your urban vote, but to try to get the black vote again for the second time in three weeks. There must be some pretty terrible internal polls because right now you have the president and vice president meeting with Governor Wesmore and holding a press conference with Cedric Richmond to try to put together a get-the-black vote out team because it looks as though Donald Trump is polling in the upper low 20s where to make them comfortable, he'd be like 9 or 10%, which has usually been happening. Joining us right now is Governor Mike Huckabee, who witnesses the phenomenon of Donald Trump's rise in 2016, which hasn't stopped, maybe at its top, at its height now in 2024. Governor, welcome back.

When are you going to get some guitars? I'm still working on it. You know, I'm just praying that my wife never sells these guitars for what I told her I paid for them. Because then, you know, there's going to be some real devaluing going on.

So that's my prayer. Sam Ash went out of business. Did you go down there with just your checkbook? And it looks like you did. You know, over the years.

I have made quite an effort at collecting, and people have given me guitars, and through the years, just playing and Um, you know, so I've come a long way since age 11 when my parents gave me my first JCPenney catalog electric guitar. Wow. Uh, yes, you have, and you never stop because music matters a lot to you, Governor. Great to see you. I was just talking about first off before we get to the trials, and we understand the judge is still giving out jury, uh, jury instructions.

It'll be about an hour, and then it's going to go to a verdict. I'll get to that, but let's talk a little about 2024. And what do you think is happening in the black community? And what is it like being in a campaign when the internals are actually worse than the public polling? To me, that has to be the case to see him go over to Philadelphia again with notable members of the black community.

What do you see? Yeah, I think Philadelphia is really indicative of the fact that he's in real trouble and he knows it, and so do his team. They all get it. You don't go to Philadelphia, where normally a Democrat's going to wipe the floor with any Republican on the ballot, unless you see that you're in trouble in places where you ought to not even have to go. I mean, this is insane.

It'd be like Joe Biden having to go and campaign in Manhattan. You know, the only person who's going into New York City, of course, it was in the Bronx, but it was Donald Trump. And he went where angels fear to tread if you are a Republican.

So it's pretty significant to see what's happening. But here's the reason I think that's behind it. Uh I don't care what color you are. You live in America. And you know that it's costing more to buy bacon, butter, and bread than it did when Donald Trump was president.

You know that you can't buy a new home because the interest rates have doubled, and that means that your capacity has been slashed. Travel, it's more expensive. Inflation is killing you. Your wages haven't gone up to the same level of the 19% inflation that has been a net. It an impact on American families.

And people are sick of crime. They're afraid to walk out their front door for fear that some thug's going to hit them in the head with a brick. But also, I think that remember Barack Obama came out about six months ago and was alarmed at the lack of infrastructure on the reelection campaign. You haven't hired enough people, you haven't set up enough offices. And people were wondering: you know, is Barack Obama jealous of Joe Biden inside Democratic circles?

But now it looks like he's right.

Now, President Biden and Harris will officially launch Black Voters for Biden and Harris at a campaign rally at Gerrard College, a majority black school in Philadelphia, to be attended by Wesmore, Cedric Richmond, Steve Horsford of Nevada, and other members of other CBC Congressional Black Office. Uh, members, so this does show. I mean, look at this. This is six months out. You're the city president, you couldn't have done this already.

What do you think is happening here? I think they took a lot of people for granted. Joe Biden has always taken traditional Democrat loyalties for granted. He took, I think, union people for granted. He's taken minorities for granted.

He's taken women, especially suburban women, for granted. And it's beginning to catch up with him. But he's been a horrible president. He's been horrible on the border. He's been horrible on the economy, horrible on foreign affairs.

Look, I know I sound like somebody from the RNC. I'm unapologetically a partisan, a Republican to be honest, and a Trump supporter. But all that aside, just look at the situation in this country and ask yourself, are you better off under the three years of Joe Biden or under the tenure of Donald Trump? And I don't care who you are, where you live, urban, rural, you get the picture.

Something ain't right here. And then you watch Joe Biden having to be helped off the stage and you simply wonder if this 81-year-old guy has the wherewithal not just to go through the next four years, but can he even go through the next four months? No, absolutely. You definitely wonder about it. And it's not a matter of age.

And I looked at Ben Cardin the other day, about a month ago on Sunday shows. He's older. Looks fine. I looked at James Clyburn. Uh I've watched him on the Sunday shows.

I don't know if he has a vigor for a national campaign, but I wouldn't say that, wow, he's so diminished he can't run things. It's not a matter of your age, it's how you're acting. Look at President Trump, seventy-seven.

Well, Mick Jagger is the same age as Joe Biden. He's still prancing over the stage and doing two and a half hour rock and roll shows. Paul McCartney is the age of Joe Biden. He does two and a half, three hour shows night after night.

So, no, you're right, it's not the age. And when people say this is ageism, no, it isn't. This is about capacity.

Some people are much younger and they don't have the capacity. But this is about Joe not being able to read his teleprompter. Brian, I've said the greatest political prank that one could ever pull off, and I would love to be able to do it, I just don't know how, would be to hack into his teleprompter operator and to be able to just put stuff up on the screen and let him go full Ron Burgundy as in Anchorman and read every stinking word that's on that prompter, no matter how ridiculous it is, because Joe would do it. He doesn't even understand what he's looking at. He just blindly reads the copy on the screen and half the time mumbles through a bunch of that.

Right, and you know, nine mistakes last Sunday, and we know too, he actually read the word pause out loud.

So he said pause. And then he came back on. He got a total pass on that to most of the media. I think they're finding out, too, that sooner or later they're not going to blame the media. It's him.

But we'll see what happens.

I just want to bring you to this quote: I love when people go into areas in which they're not necessarily going to be accepted. And it's hard for a politician to do that. You were so quick on your feet, it probably wouldn't bother you much, knowing you maybe need 10% of that audience. You could go into Philadelphia, go into New York. You saw the way Speaker Johnson was ridiculed, was yelled at, and heckled outside Columbia, but it was important for him to show up.

He goes, I wanted to meet with the president. I have a press conference. Your sit-ins and your anti-Israeli stance and anti-Semitic actions are going to stand. I love that Trump went into the Bronx. I was shocked that he got 15,000 to 20,000 people.

And then to see that many of them are Hispanic blacks. They weren't Long Island, Staten Island, which were his base. Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine said this to Politico: New York Democrats need to wake up. The number of people in New York, including people of color, that I come across who are saying positive things about Trump is alarming. 100,000 in Wildwood, 20,000 in South Bronx.

Put that in perspective, though. If I put Mike Huckabee inside the campaign, A day after, two days after the Libertarian meeting, when he got it heckled a little bit, too, what would you be telling Trump today? Are we going to do more of this or less? A whole lot more of it. I love it.

I thought one of the best speeches Trump has ever given in his political life was the one in the South Bronx. He talked about America. He talked about hope and bringing people together. He was saying everything that Joe Biden said he was going to say, but never has. A week ago, Joe Biden was telling the people at Morehouse what a horrible country we live in, how they don't have a shot.

There's no way they're going to be able to be successful because everybody is a racist and they're down on them. Donald Trump goes right into the heart of the South Bronx and says, You're an America. You can do anything you want. We just have to come together and love this country and secure our borders. He said the things that every person that was listening to him could say, That's the America I want to live in.

And who's going to get me there? Not Joe Biden, who thinks we're an awful country. Donald Trump. Who thinks we're a great country? And that's what people are responding to.

It's resonating with people. And it doesn't matter the demographics. If Donald Trump stays on that message, this could be the biggest landslide since Ronald Reagan beat Mondell in 84.

So help me with this. And I've asked people in the campaign this, I see the numbers tilting more to the African community from twelve percent to twenty plus. I see the Hispanic community a flat footed tie, if not Trump on top instead of losing by eight percent. And then I see young people under thirty going to Trump pretty strong or a dead heat where he was losing by about eighteen points. If all that is true, in the same poll, they'll have a national poll and show them basically in a dead heat.

How could all those things be true? How could I not see the challenger pulling away from the incumbent?

Well, one thing keep in mind about polls in this current political environment. A lot of people will never give an honest answer. And a lot of people that are going to vote for Trump will never tell a pollster that. And the reason is because they don't really know who's on the other end of that telephone line. They're not sure that it might be a plant so they can be smoked out as to they're going to support Trump.

So they'll never say it because they don't want their lawn littered with people who are angry because they're Trump supporters. They don't want their porch burned down. They don't want to be called a racist or a homophobe or an Islamophobe or some other kind of phobe. They're just not going to tell a pollster the honest truth. But when they get in that voting booth and they ask themselves, Which candidate led this country?

Because now both of them have been president.

So it's not like the, well, this one may be better. We know. Both had been President, they would have both had a term. Which president did the best job that helped you and your family. Have the best life?

That's as simple as you can put it. And when people ask that question and answer it honestly, They vote for Trump. I hear you. I'm just getting some reports now about what's going on with the instructions in real time. They have said the case is and the charges are falsifying business records.

They told the jury he was told you cannot convict on Michael Cohen's testimony alone, which is interesting. You can exonerate, I would have said, on Michael's testimonies alone. But we'll see. I'm hoping the judge shows an inkling of partisanship. But I worry, Governor, if there's a guilty flavor, if there's going to be a guilty verdict.

That this judge is going to have so He's going to have autonomy into what kind of sentence. Any indication that this guy would do anything except the maximum? I get the sense that he does not care about appearances, or else he would have recused himself a long time ago. What's your biggest worry?

Well, that he's a corrupt, absolutely partisan judge who has not just put his thumb on the scales of justice, he got up and took a seat on the side of the prosecution and sat right down on top of that side of the scale and did everything he could to keep the defense from presenting a legitimate defense, including if this is all about election finance. Wouldn't it be smart? To turn to the former chairman of the Federal Election Commission to get some expert testimony. And Mershon refused it. This is a Biden donor whose daughter is making millions by selling merchandise as well as consulting pro-Biden Democrats.

So he has a commercial interest. I'm surprised that his instructions are taking this long. My honest assessment was he'd get up and say, okay, here's the jury instructions. Find him guilty. I don't care how, I don't care what.

You just find this son of a gun guilty. He would have used a different term. You find him guilty, and we'll take it from there. But there's no way this man's walking out of our courtroom without being guilty if I have to dismiss the jury and declare it myself. This guy ought to be disbarred, not just from the bench, he ought to have his law license taken away because I've never seen anything that showed such a level of overt.

And transparent corruption, as we've seen in Juan Mershon. Further instructions, judge says the government does not have to prove Trump intended to defraud a specific person. What does that mean? And just said he also said just because Donald Trump was at the scene of the crime doesn't mean he knew about it.

So they're all over the place. Let's hope there's some people there that are level-headed and understand this case has not been proven and never should have been brought. But, Governor, lastly, I know you have an opinion on who a good running mate would be, and I know that Donald Trump has not made up his mind yet. But could you give me three people that you hope the President would consider his top candidates?

Well, he's got a large stable of people who would be capable and competent to do it. You know, maybe it's Tim Scott, maybe it's Elise Stefanik. Uh perhaps it's um Uh, you know, JD Vance, I think there's a lot of prospects, and I'm saying there's probably 20 people who would fit the bill. What Donald Trump needs to pick is not somebody who meets some quota, who is uh, okay, we've got to check the boxes of black, white men, women, young, yeah, none of that. He's got to ask.

Who can be President of the United States? And who will be compatible with my doctrine, with my beliefs, with my appointments? And who will be loyal, not just to him personally. Who will be loyal to the Make America First agenda? That's what has to happen.

It sounds like you're discovering a guy. I don't know if you've ever met him, but Governor Bergum. I I've never seen two guys, different personalities, but the same beliefs. Yeah, you know, Bergham is another person who definitely should be on that list. And if he doesn't get DP, Department of Energy, certainly some role in the cabinet, because he's a brilliant guy and would be a terrific asset to the Trump administration.

What about you? Would you want to be a part of the administration in some way, shape or form? You know, I've told the President many times, I told him this when he won the first time, because he offered me several positions and I said, I don't want a federal job. The last thing I want right now is to go to work for the federal government. I've been in the public eye and have to go through all this disclosure stuff that I did for nearly 30 years.

And quite frankly, you know, there comes a time you enjoy the private sector. You feel like I can best serve in some other capacity. And I told the President I'll help you any way I can, but I'm not trying to pitch. For some federal job.

So find somebody that's dying for it and give it to them. I'll support you because I believe in what you're doing, not because I need you to give me a job. Right. And you're down as the second best governor in Arkansas history.

So I know that that makes your resume look good because your daughter is doing extremely well. Governor, thanks so much. Great to see you. Thanks, Brian. Have a great day.

You too. And it was great to see the governor on Skype. 1-866-408-7669. Back in a moment with your calls, and I'll give you the latest on the jury instruction because more are coming in. Don't move.

It's Brian Killmead. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Gilmead. Hey, welcome back. Just looking at some of the instructions that are coming out now from the judge, and they're leaking out, not leaking, but they're being sent out to us.

They say this: jurors don't need to agree on everything that occurred. Oh, that's interesting. Just because Trump was at the scene of when something took place doesn't mean that he is guilty of anything. The verdict cannot rest on speculation. must be proof?

And You don't have to worry about all the information. You can't just rest on what the testimony of Michael Cohen and more is coming down. I mean, this is over an hour.

So there's a lot of details that are still coming down, and I'm just interested because so many people said this is really going to have so much to do with the verdict because what you tell the f jury to focus on and not focus on is key because they want to get it right at this point, I assume. I assume.

So we'll see what's going to happen. And Jonathan Turley and Andy McCarthy are breaking it down. Keep in mind at the top of the hour, I'm going to go back on television on Fox News. I'm going to be unoutnumbered, and we'll be analyzing some of this as it comes out. What I think is going to happen is they're going to wrap up in about a half hour.

Most twenty minutes. And then you're going to watch Trump come out again. At which time he is Just going to talk openly, perhaps? As he's never been before, or they'll just tell him just keep walking. Too much is at stake.

And then I think the jury stays sequestered. They're going to work on Wednesday. I'm assuming they're going to come home today. There's no accommodation to get them to stay overnight. And then Wednesday, Thursdays, most people believe this is going to be a quick verdict.

So, with a quick verdict, they say the quicker it is, the worse it is for defense traditionally. Or it might be so overwhelming that the defense has done their job and the prosecution has not. The trouble be exonerating. Either way. The election gets back to normal next week, perhaps, because it's not expected to be very long before the judge looks at what the jury is giving him and then decides what the sentence will be.

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And Andy McCarthy, Jonathan Turley, Shannon Bream, as well as Kerry Irban, are giving us their interpretations of what the judge is still doing, and that is reading the jury their instructions. Yesterday was the closing arguments. Yesterday was for the defense and prosecution. Three hours for defense, five hours for the prosecution. We'll try to expand the conversation a little bit, so let's get to the big three.

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They fell way short. There is reasonable doubt. All over this case. It's simply about: did the former president know that his records, false entries for legal fees, Michael Cohn was his lawyer. Did he intend to cover up the election or to protect his family?

It's every Randy Zellen on CNN. Closing arguments in the Trump trial, finish. We're talking about complete finish. And now we understand they're reading. The rules of the road that juries should keep in mind.

And some of them have a lot of Trump supporters extremely upset. And I'll talk to you in detail with Andy McCarthy, who's on TV right now, but let me give you an idea. in my uh handwriting that I'm writing down rapidly as it comes across. They're reading right now, the jury's being read the New York state law when it comes to record-keeping and election law. They told the jury to set aside any opinions on Trump, only the facts.

Explained reasonable doubt. What is reasonable doubt when it comes to a case? Michael Cohen and the controversial former attorney to Trump, they're assessing his truthfulness. You can disregard everything he has said if you find him to not be telling the truth, and also look at him as an accomplice if need be. May not convict Trump solely on the Cohen testimony.

To me, that's important. And the verdict can't rest on speculation. Make sure you don't let people put two and two together for you. And jurors all do not all need to agree on everything. That is the one thing I have to bring up, Danny McCarthy.

What? I thought you need unanimous when it comes to felony, unanimous when it comes to thirty four counts. How are you going to pick and choose who agrees on what? I thought that that was part of a hung jury when you can't get everyone to agree. To me, that's Well, maybe Andy McCarthy will talk me off the ledge, but it sounds pretty bad.

So, the jury will begin deliberating today. They could have a verdict sometime tonight. This afternoon. I mean, I could imagine after six weeks, 22 days, they all want to get home. They all want to get about their lives.

And also, they probably have opinions. They shouldn't be talking to each other about it, shouldn't be talking to their family about it, shouldn't be watching television about it, shouldn't be reading about it. Does anyone think That they're not doing all those things. I happen to think they will. And they are.

Here's Jonathan Turley last night on the main problem that he has, and that's the judge in this case and what he's allowing to happen, cut five.

Some of what the prosecutor said, I hope the jury views, is obviously ridiculous. And at one point, the prosecutor said that when Michael Cohen went into a bank to send a financial transaction and wrote something untrue, that Trump must have known that.

Well, how many clients know how their attorneys frame a financial transfer in a bank? I mean, that's how really s sort of overextended the prosecutors were. But the main problem here is still that the judge has allowed this erroneous assumption to be reinforced. Yeah, you know, Jonathan Trolley is a very measured guy. He's very hard to rattle.

You've seen him testify in front of Congress when people start yelling at him. He doesn't care. And he seems exasperated about how the judge is acting. And that's what throws me. Keep mind, he's a registered Democrat.

But when you have these people who love the law, just love the law, they hate when it's abused. And so many people feel the fact that this case is even in motion. is abusive. Carolyn Pelisi is on CBS. She's a legal analyst.

I thought it would be good to hear from her about the closing arguments: who did better, what's still left out there. Any lawyer that heard that winced because we all know you cannot talk about sentencing. You cannot talk about punishment phase in your closing arguments. Todd Blanche knows that. This was not a mistake.

He did it. He got away with it. The judge gave a curative instruction. Curative is a bit of a misnomer because it doesn't really cure anything. It just sort of shines a brighter light.

But he told jurors to disregard that statement. And what I thought was interesting, he then told them, actually, if you do convict, jail time isn't necessarily on the table in this circumstance, which I think may have been overkill. I think Todd Blanche really, I think that backfired for Todd Blanch. He wanted jurors to sit there thinking feeling guilty for potentially sending somebody to prison. Didn't work out for him.

I'm not going to know what Todd Blance meant when he said that. Evidently, in closing arguments, he mentioned you should keep this in mind. Is this something you want to send a former president to prison for?

Now, he is looking at prison, technically, but at 77 years old with no priors, they said it is extremely unlikely.

Now, think about this. This blatantly biased judge who's already donated to Joe Biden Think about if you want to impact an election, if you really believe what Robert De Niro believes? If it really believes what Joe Biden believes that Donald Trump's a threat to democracy. Do you Put him in house arrest and don't let him campaign and do what he does best, get one hundred thousand people in various places, blue and red states around the country, to go into an urban environment, twenty-five thousand is Chicago next. You went to the South Bronx, why not the South side of Chicago?

Could they be Coming into Could that be coming to fruition? Could people be worried about that? We're going to take a time out and come back and talk more about this. And we can possibly talk about what's happening around the world in Gaza. We understand tanks are now rolling into Rafah.

Keep in mind, that's where you find Zinwar, Sinwar. That is the mastermind behind this. That's where most of the hostages are. That's where we found five bodies. We will know that no many people don't want you going in there if you're Israeli, because you might be discovering a lot of tunnels to Egypt.

which would poison the relationship and show them to be Utter liars. about their role. In supplying Hamas. You listen to the Brian Kilmead show, Andy McCarthy next, then Charlemagne, the god at the bottom of the hour. Don't move.

Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. All right, as I mentioned, the jury is getting the instructions from the judge. And by every legal expert I talked to said, man, so much of this is going to go to jury instruction, even more in the closing arguments.

That's why I'm trying to read everything I possibly can from the transcript coming out of the courtroom. And that's why Adam McCarthy had just jumped off television to join us. He is right outside the courtroom. Andy, thanks so much. What could you tell us now?

First off, out of the instructions, I know some of this is just boring stuff. What stands out? What do you want our listeners to know that's coming out? The most important thing, Brian, is after six weeks of trial, where we've asked what's the other crime? Like what's the crime that Supposedly, the falsification of business records was done to commit or conceal.

What the judge instructed the jury is that they don't have to agree on what the other crime is. He gave them three choices, and he told them. Unlike any criminal trial that I've ever heard of, where, you know, kind of what makes it a criminal trial, what makes it Acceptable to have people convicted and have their liberty taken away is that a jury of 12 unanimously finds. That beyond a reasonable doubt, the government has proved all the essential elements beyond a reasonable doubt. You unanimously find that.

Here, what the jury's being told is this last crime could be a tax crime, could be a state election crime, or could be a federal campaign crime. And you don't have to agree on what it was.

So, if four of you think it was one thing, and four of you think it was the other thing, and four of you think it was the third thing, that's good enough to convict. They don't even have to agree. on what the felony is. or what the crime is that turns this misdemeanor offense that should have been time barred in twenty nineteen that turns it into a felony that can be tried today.

So uh what is the one thing they do agree he's being charged with? Falsification of business records with intent to defraud, but that's just a misdemeanor. If that's all they can prove, That was time barred in twenty nineteen.

Now I want to be clear. I'm not saying I think that, that's proved because I think they have a big problem with intent to defraud. I don't see that anyone was either defrauded or that anyone had an intent to defraud anyone in this case.

So I think they'd have trouble proving the misdemeanor. But it's astonishing to me that you have a situation where This gets inflated from a misdemeanor, which means uh you know a potential sentence of of a year or less to suddenly it becomes a felony with a potential four-year Yeah. Bragg, of course, turns that into 34 felonies, which means we're talking about 136 years, potentially. Not that that's going to happen. But most importantly, The statute of limitations on a se on a misdemeanor in New York is two years.

So what turns this into a felony is that it's the misdemeanor is done to commit or conceal another crime.

So you would think that that other crime is pretty significant. It turns something that Couldn't otherwise be prosecuted into something that can be prosecuted. You would think the jury would have to be unanimous on what it is. And you know what? I'm not taking a call from a random Andy from New York City.

I'm taking a call from an esteemed legal mind who is extremely experienced, and you're saying you've never heard of this. Yes, let me give you an example, Brian. I've tried a lot of racketeering cases under the federal RICO charge. And what happens in Rico is You have to prove that people were an enterprise, that it was something like a conspiracy. and that they committed a pattern of offenses.

So you can give them a variety of choices. But you can't convict them of RICO unless the jury agrees on what offenses were in the pattern. You know, you can give them sixteen choices. But There's no conviction unless They all unanimously agreed on three or more of them. That's the requirement in the statute.

So I don't have a problem with a statute that says. Um X prime becomes a felony if X crime is a misdemeanor, but it becomes a felony if you can prove that it was done to conceal or commit another crime. But the jury's gotta agree unanimously on what the other crime is. Otherwise, that's what to me, that's constitutionally absurd.

So he doesn't even care. He doesn't care that this could be overturned. He doesn't care that he's queuing up an appeal. Because he knows the appeal is going to go past election day, I imagine. I'm not going to do what he does and assume anything because you're not allowed to use conjecture, but that's one would conclude that, wouldn't one?

Well, I would have concluded it already, Brian, for a very basic reason. Everybody knows there's no dispute about this. that Michael Cohen's Guilty pleas to federal election crimes are not admissible evidence to prove that President Trump. Committed. uh federal election crimes.

Yet Judge Murchond let that be used over and over and over again, and had the jury told over and over and over again. that Michael Cohen had Pled guilty to crimes that he testified President Trump put him up to.

So to me, if you're if you're the judge and you're going to let that happen over and over again, when you know that, that is not admissible evidence against Trump, then I was already pretty convinced that what they want here is to make sure they get him convicted. And if it if he gets it reversed on appeal a year from now, they'll sort it out then. I believe we're just watching Allison. Did we just watch Donald Trump leave? It looks like I just saw a note that the jury instructions have been concluded.

Soon deliberations. That means the jury goes back for the remainder of the day until roughly what time today? And is there accommodations that they stay sequestered? They are not sequestered to my knowledge, Brian.

Now, unless something happened in the last little while that I didn't. that I didn't hear. Uh my understanding is The jury's anonymous, and the judge thinks that that's good enough.

So, you know, they'll deliberate until sometime this evening. The normal court day ends here at four thirty. Yesterday they worked till eight, but they had to make like sort of special arrangements for that. Up until now, they've been told they didn't have to be prepared to work Wednesday, so we don't know what kind of Unusual arrangements they had to make to deal with that contingency. But the qu the short answer, which I should give to your question, is we don't know how late they'll go.

And I'm seeing 4:30.

Now I'm seeing on our screen 4:30. Yeah, that makes sense. But I don't think they're sequestered.

Okay, so if they were sequestered, they wouldn't be stopping at 4:30. You can be sure of that. All right, we got about three minutes left. I'm going to just run off some other. Then I guess before I even start some of the other instructions, just real thing.

If the pe the school of thought is, and you tell me if I'm wrong, is if they come back with a quick verdict, it's usually bad for defense, and the longer it goes, the better in theory it is for defense. Yeah, the longer it goes, it means they're having more trouble with the case generally.

So that's that indicates doubt. And if they have doubt, they're supposed to acquit. The quickie here, Brian, would be, and this is something that's important for people to understand. You think that because it's thirty-four counts, they'd have trouble working through. It would take a long time to work through thirty four counts.

But there are 34 cookie cutter counts. Every single count is the same.

So they can resolve one and then say that they do the same thing for all thirty-four. This is not a you know, it's not a situation where you have all different varieties of crime. It's one single crime that's pled thirty-four times.

So you don't see a verdict, Andy, where they come out and say eight, he's guilty on eight charges. Only if it's a compromise, only if it's an irrational situation where you get a couple of jurors who don't want to deliberate and the majority come to them and say, look, Can we end this if we'll vote to acquit on a few and you vote to convict on a few, and then we can get out of here? I've seen that happen from time to time. It's not rational, but the system allows it.

So they explain reasonable doubt what it is. They may not convict on Trump solely on Cohen's testimony. The verdict can't rest on speculation. Jurors don't all need to agree on everything, which as you just discussed. And set aside any opinions on Donald Trump.

Stick to only the facts.

So these are some of the things that we know came out of that instruction.

So Andy, I guess the speculation's virtually over now. We'll get an exact transcript shortly. We'll get your analysis and then we wait, right? Yeah, I think the interesting thing here, Brian, is the judge didn't give the jury a copy of the instructions, which means if they have a question, if they're hung up on something, they have to send a note out to the judge saying, give us a clarification on this point of law or give us this piece of evidence, which means we'll have a little bit of a window into what they're thinking and how they're working through it. 15 seconds.

The judge will sentence if these are guilty verdict, right? It's be the judge's decision alone? Yes, that's correct. Andy, thanks so much. Brilliant.

Always. Andy McCarthy, best-selling author, Fox News contributor, former assistant U.S. attorney. Coming up next: Charlemagne the God, an interview you have to hear with a book that just came out today. The talk show that's getting you talking.

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Charlamagne, the God's Latest One. In case you don't know, you're watching Fox and Friends got a very successful morning show called The Breakfast Club, nationally syndicated. Most politicians, certainly on the left, to always make it a must-stop, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, you name it. They go by. And he came out of nowhere to be this impact player.

I got a chance to meet him. Then we sat down for the interview after I read his book. Here's a little of my exchange with him about the issues of the day, not only about his book, but about Kamala Harris and 2024. Let's listen. So, Charlemagne, looking at this election, we see the numbers in terms of Hispanics.

It's basically a dead heat between Biden and Trump. We see the African-American vote. I've not seen an African-American poll with Trump less than 20%, when for the most part, I think Nixon did the best at 13%. That's a long time ago. Why do you think he's picking up Hispanic, black, or minority support?

I don't know if he really is. And the reason I say that, I think a lot of those polls might be slightly overstated. I do think it will be an uptick. I don't know. I can't see 20% of black people voting for Donald Trump.

But I will say this: as far as the blacks, Latinos, Do you vote? I think people are just tired of politics, period. I don't think it's about Trump. I don't think it's about Biden. My man Tim Ryan always talks about the exhausted majority.

And I think the majority of Americans are just exhausted with American politics. These two candidates, they don't do anything but suck the life out of everybody. Like, people are drained. They're not energized by either one of these candidates. But you have to see, Charlemagne, 100,000 people lined up in Wildwood, New Jersey, in the middle of nowhere.

It was freezing that night on the beach to watch a guy in a state that he lost by 15 points. You can't say that they're not energized to see Trump. He's entertaining.

So they like going to a free stand-up show. I'm not saying that these guys don't have a base. Of course, Joe Biden has a base of people that support him. Of course, Donald Trump has a base of people that support him. But as far as those hypothetical swing voters, the youth vote, the people who are just turning 18, who want to go out there and vote, they're not inspired by either one of these candidates.

I've been saying it for months now. I think that this election this year is about the Republicans who are the crooks, the Democrats who are the cowards, because they don't fight for nothing, and the couch, which is voter apathy. And I think the couch will probably win. And whose fault is that? It's not the people, it's the candidates.

So why do you think, we'll break that down, why do you think Republicans are the crooks? I mean, damn, their candidate for president. Has eighty-eight plus criminal charges right now. How many do you think are legitimate? I have no idea, but I do know that if Barack Obama had eighty eight criminal charges, it wouldn't be a question of how many are legitimate.

It would be he's not qualified to run. Do you think that the quote you know about the case in New York, do you think that would be brought by any other candidate, any other person that you know? Because I see Pareed Zakaria, just who leans left, very smart guy, despises Trump. He said, let's be honest, he's the only candidate that would be charged like this in New York. If yeah, if I'm being honest, man, that wouldn't be the f And I and I know those these things take time and there's a process.

It just looks weird for that to be the first one. That rolls out. Like, you know, if it was something about election interference, that would make. More sense to me, you know, but the the the the the whole porn Stormy Daniels thing, it it does look like It does look like a show. And it's gonna be bad if that one gets thrown out.

Because everybody's going to automatically just say, Well, all the rest of them might be BS2. As you just said, you said, You asked me how many of them are legitimate. If they can make that one go away and make that one look like this was just A witch hunt, as he always says, it's gonna make the rest of them lose a a lot of credibility. Show me, I watched a couple of weeks ago when the President of the United States went to Morehouse College, an old black, historically black college. And one of the lines he said, Well, in fact, let's watch.

What is democracy? If black men are being killed in the street, What is democracy? The trail of broken promises still leave black communities behind. What is democracy? You have to be ten times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.

And most of all... What does it mean? As you've heard before, To be a black man who loves his country. even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure. Quoting Doc Rivers from a few years ago, your thoughts, if you were sitting in that audience wearing that gown graduating that day, is that an inspirational message?

No. Not in no way, shape, or form, especially for somebody who's been in politics as long as President Biden has been in politics. Like, I would be wondering: well, what have you done? You know? What have you done to make some of these things that you're not saying not be true?

Like for as long as he's been in politics. He's contributed. to a lot of those feelings that he's expressing like that, that It sounded very pessimistic, right? You know what I mean? At least President Barack Obama, he had the audacity of hope.

Like he came in with optimism. Like that right there was like doom and goom. And you know, and especially coming from the president of the United States of America, I don't want to hear about the problems. I want to hear from you the solutions, right? Because you've been in politics for so long.

I want to hear more solutions from you. I don't want to hear like all those problems. And being that he was getting so much flack from Morehouse students, it's kind of like, all right, I know I've been getting flack. This crowd ain't really here for me.

So let me stand up here and tell them everything they want to hear, which is politics in a nutshell. This is dream selling season. Whether it's Donald Trump, whether it's President Joe Biden, they're going to stand in front of whatever crowd they're in front of and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Because they want to get the votes. What would your message have been to Morehouse?

You know what it takes to get into that school, excel at that school. You got the honored, you got the valedictorians sitting behind you. What is the message you think that seniors in college need to hear? If I was President Joe Biden and I was getting the backlash that I was getting from Morehouse students, I would have talked with them, not to them. And what I mean by that is, I would have done a town hall.

You know, even I would have let somebody else give the commencement speech, but I would have gone there and said, you know what, I want to go down there and I want to talk to these, you know, these black people at Morehouse College, and I want to have a conversation with them, and I want to see what they're really frustrated about. I want to talk to them about the things that I know are bothering them. I think that would go way farther than what he did. We were at Clark Atlanta University a couple of weeks before he gave that speech. You know, myself and Jess Hilarious and DJ Envy, the Breakfast Club, we were down there broadcasting from Clark Atlanta, and we had a conversation with the kids.

Like we broadcasted, you know, from one of the auditoriums on their campus and we talked to the kids. And these kids are brilliant. Like these kids, you know, they care about actual issues. They're not even really tripping off the individuals. They're not on Trump.

They're not on Biden. They care about actual issues. And what's going to sound, and I put this out, this is on air. A lot of them were talking about RFK Jr. And the reason they were talking about RFK Jr.

was because he came to the school and switched. Spoke to them.

So he had a conversation with them and they believed a lot of the things that were coming out of his mouth. That's what President Biden should be doing. That's what the Vice President Kamala Harris should be doing. I've said it a million times. Vice President Kamala Harris should be coming on Fox.

They're afraid of Fox, right? Because they feel like, and Fox does do this, they'll take pieces of things that they say to push their narrative. It's not like they didn't say the things, but they'll take the things that the piece of what they want to push their narrative.

So my whole thing is go to Fox, have conversations with the personalities on Fox, and talk to the Fox audience. Very hard to misconstrue what somebody is saying when you're actually watching them say it. Understood, too, because you knew Kamala Harris before she was a vice president. And you had great hope for her, and that was one of the reasons you supported the Biden-Harris ticket last time. She was the reason.

She was the reason. And what happened? Um, listen, she's a vice president, so you know, we don't really Ask too much of vice presidents, but I think her situation is a very unique situation because of the times that we're in.

So there's things that she can speak to that maybe President Biden can't speak to. There's things, there's people she can speak to and speak maybe for that President Biden can't speak to. And I would like to see her do more of that. I mean, listen, it's still May, right? And I know they've been in for over three years and three, four, five months left.

You probably can't change, but man, I just want to see her, you know. I want to see her be the vice president Kamala Harris that we know behind the scenes. Because she is a person, she is a person that cares. She really does care. I think that she is handcuffed a lot by this administration.

And it's interesting because they. Why do you think that? Why do I think she's handcuffed? Because I know her and I know what she s stands for and I know, you know, the the things that that she Wants to do that she may not necessarily be in a position to do because she doesn't want to overstep the president. Joe Biden.

I mean, think about all of those hit pieces that came out about her over the last couple of years. A lot of those were coming from inside the administration. Because when you have somebody as talented as she is, because you can't sit here and act like she's not talented. As talented as she is, there are people that may feel like, oh, she has other ambitions. But her ambitions aren't to upstage the president.

I think she's very secure in her role as vice president. And I think people are definitely afraid. Of her being president one day. I've heard people say that. Do you think she would be a good president?

She wouldn't be any different than any other Democrat. Like, what policies, you know, what issues would she be so different on than President Obama was, you know, or President Biden? She wouldn't be any different than any other Democrat. That's why when I hear people say things like, we should be. Terrified of a Kamala Harris presidency.

We should be scared of Okamala Harris presidency. Why? Right. You know why, 'cause she's a woman of color. Oh, I don't think so.

Oh, 100%. Do you think that Nikki Haley didn't get the nomination because she's a minority? I think Nikki Haley probably didn't get the nomination because she was afraid to stand up to Donald Donald Trump. She stood up to him. She was like Chris Christie by the end of the day.

No, no, no, Chris Christie was somebody that always kept his foot on Donald Trump's neck. Nikki Haley didn't get like that until towards the end. And maybe, maybe, I mean, you saw when Vivek Ramaswamy was talking to. He was on your show? Yes, he was.

Who was he talking to? I can't remember right now. Oh, he was talking to Major Taylor Green? No, it wasn't Major Taylor. Who was it?

I can't remember, but she basically straight up told him, I wouldn't vote for you because you're Indian. Yeah, I don't remember that. Of course y'all don't. It was recently, it was like two weeks ago. Who was it?

Was it Ann Coulter? Who was it? It was somebody he was talking to. It was Ann Culta, right? Oh, it was.

It was Ann Culta. Yes, but Vic Ramswami was talking to Ann Culta, and Ann Culta was like, I wouldn't vote for you because you're Indian. Which is a crazy thing to say. I mean, I'm sorry that you think that. Yes, but I respect the honesty.

I'd like to know where people are coming from. Right. I will. I will um I think America is more than ready for a female president. We just want to see, I think, competence.

I actually don't think that America would hesitate at all with a female president.

So, why'd they hesitate with Hillary Clinton? I think Hillary Clinton, my opinion. Totally unlikable. I think she's detached. I thought she ran a lazy campaign, refused to go to the Battleground States.

I think she was dismissive of something that you're not and Bill Maher's not, and that is the Trump supporter. The Trump supporter, you have no problem with. You have a problem with President Trump. Bill Maher doesn't have a problem with the Trump supporter. He likes debating.

He has a problem with President Trump. Hillary Clinton hated the Trump supporters. Deplorable. People don't get. I still don't think she has changed her opinion on Trump supporters.

And you're talking minimum 70 million people. It's crazy to live in a country where you don't like 70 million people. I agree with you. Disagree is fine. I agree with you.

And I think that when it comes to the Trump supporter, Have conversations with them. See why they're supporting, you know, Donald Trump. When people started talking to me about the uptick in black, you know, support for Donald Trump, I didn't. Shame them. I want to ask questions.

That's what you're great at. I wanted to know why certain people were starting to support Donald Trump. And when you get that information, then you know maybe how to pivot or maybe how to change your messaging so you can start connecting with some of those individuals. But when it comes to Nikki Haley, I said, you know. Months, months ago, that I felt like the GOP was doing themselves a disservice by not making her the nominee.

Because I think people want something different so bad right now in this moment that she probably could have ended up getting votes from both sides. She probably could have ended up getting a lot of those independent voters. She could have ended up getting a lot of those hypothetical swing voters just because people wanted something different so bad. All right, coming up after the break, we talk about the pressure that Charlemagne the God feels from, believe it or not, the Democratic Party and the White House. Don't move.

You're with Brian Kilmead. So busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmead. Before we get to part two of my interview with Charlemagne the God, quick note: I want to see everyone June 29th, Indianapolis, Indiana, at the Shelton Auditorium for the History, Liberty, and Laughs Tour. We have a fantastic time.

We go through history, very patriotic. And then in July 27th, Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, at the Sherman Theater, go to BrianKillmead.com. Meet and greet opportunities there. I can talk to you before the show. But now, back to Charlemagne the God.

We talk about the pressure he's feeling to go ahead and endorse. Joe Biden. The pressure on you to endorse Joe Biden. I was been astounded on your book tour, on the pressure on you. I mean it's not that you feel it, but you're getting it.

Yeah, I'm not Captain Saber, Joe.

Okay, that's not what I'm here for.

So, yes, they are asking me, you know, why I won't endorse. Like, what does it matter? And it's not like I'm out here telling people not to vote. I want people to participate, you know, in the voting process. But all I'm going to do is put.

The issues out there, right? I'm going to say what I feel. What have I been saying historically since this has started? I said that I feel like Donald Trump is not patriotic in any way, shape, or form. When you have a person that says, I want to suspend the Constitution to overthrow the result, overturn the results of an election, or you see somebody who attempted to lead a coup with this country, or you see his lawyers staying in this.

I have a different interpretation of that, although nobody thinks January 6th was a good idea. At all. But his role in it really changed. It stopped after he gave the speech. How do you feel about him saying we should suspend the Constitution to overturn the results of an election?

Put it this way. The last four years when he was in, from 2016 to 2020, how did you feel about those four years? It was constant not it was not it was we were living we're still living in the United States of anxiety, but it was constant, constant, constant turmoil from him. But in terms of the every day he was stirring up waters every single day. I agree with you in one respect.

There was controversy almost every day. I think 50% of it in the first two and a half years was a fake Russia investigation, which, if you look into it, there was absolutely nothing there. They were trying to suspend him. They were going to jail his brother-in-law.

So when you go through that and you're constantly fighting with the media. But what about the words out of his mouth? He said, I want to suspend the Constitution to overthrow the cornerstone of democracy, which is our elections. Are you quoting him right now? That was from Truth Social.

And then he turned around and said he didn't say it. And on top of that, like I said, leading an attempted coup with his country, I read Project 25. It's terrifying. You know, when I say that. I don't know what Project 25 is.

Brian, stop. Yes, you do. I don't. Yes, you do. I really do.

I know I let you down, but when you read all of those things, you're like, man, is this who we want? To be president of the United States of America. And it's not a conservative thing, it's not a Republican thing. This is a Donald Trump thing. This iteration of Trump.

That's why I feel like, like I said, Republicans dropped the ball by not making Nikki Haley the candidate because y'all might have had the opportunity to. You know, bring in a whole new swath of people just by trying something different. See, everything you say, I understand it. I also think I would just, if they just treated him like a normal president, normal question. You can't treat then.

He doesn't act normal, Brian. But nothing normal about it. But he would tell you the only reason I'm acting like that is because of the response I'm getting.

So if I go home to my wife right now and I start acting crazy, right, wild and bugging out, and I say it's your fault, she's probably going to end up violent. I just can't see you doing that, and I'm not sure that that's an accurate description. All right, if you want to hear more of that interview, and I know you do, get the full interview unedited on BrianKillmeatShow.com. Just click on the podcast. Thanks for listening.

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