Michael Cohen's former lawyer: Cohen blames Trump, is out for Revenge

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Bob Costello is going to be on our channel in 25 minutes. His impact on this case is going to be substantial. And I'm talking about the Trump case. Also, we have the latest on what's happening with the Ukraine war. We're going to talk to Dan Bilak about that.

Now, we have the Russians going all in, a massive push, because they know $65 billion worth of U.S. equipment is coming into the scene, and they're looking to take the second biggest city. What is the deal on the ground? And when can we get our weapons in? And what was our Secretary of State doing playing the guitar, Neil Young, in the middle of a war zone?

Uh let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. While students walk to class, they're met with masked individuals screaming at them: quote, go die, you're Hitler's children and Nazis. The lesson that Penn has been teaching students and faculty is that violence and harassment work. Yeah, that's a Penn student, and I'm sickened by it.

College campus chaos continues. You see Irvine embarrassing themselves and their families as their college president immediately caves to their divestment demands. And now that president got suspended. Anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitisemitism has to stop, don't you think? Number two.

If he were a normal incumbent particularly one ahead in the race. Biden would not do this. He might do one debate. This willingness to debate Trump to me is a perfect sign of his obvious weakness. Britt Hume, debate away.

Two dates are set for Trump Biden, too. My problem: CNN and ABC selected, and Trump no say over the moderators. CNN has said Dana Bash and Jay Tapper will get the nod. Are you kidding me? You can't be more anti-Trump than that.

I'm not saying they're not talented. They're really good broadcasters. They're knowledgeable, but they have a bias. Mr. Former President.

Please stand up to that. Number Every time I brought it up, every time he answered, I swear to God, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump. I said, Michael, whatever you have. has to be truthful. If you think you can go in there and tell these people lies, you're crazy.

Bob Costello, former federal prosecutor and attorney to Michael Cohen, telling the inside story from the inside. Trump trial day 18, defense biggest day to date. Continues, cross-examining star witness Michael Cohen.

Some believe he already purged himself, and Cohen's former attorney, you just heard him, is now calling all of it a lie. Bob Costello should take the stand, don't you think? I'm going to go quick because I don't want to take too much time from Dan Bilak calling me from a war zone. But this is what I'm talking about.

So today, we know that. Just to review, Michael Cohen was the former attorney to Donald Trump, at which time he turned on Trump.

Now, whether they're going to prosecute his wife, the reasons behind it, they raided his office, he wanted to get less jail time, maybe all of the above.

Now he's become obsessed with locking up Trump. It's not my opinion. He's wearing a shirt with Donald Trump wearing an orange jumpsuit. He talks about putting Donald Trump and TikTok into jail and that being his fantasy. His explanation: I have trouble sleeping, and it's good for me to go on TikTok.

Nuts. But he. He has purged himself multiple times and says, Well, believe me now because I've reformed. I don't believe him now. And the whole key is: what are we asking him to believe?

What are we asking the jury to believe? We're asking to believe that Donald Trump said, give Stormy Daniel $130,000 to keep quiet. Instead, You have a check written by Michael Cohen to Stormy Daniels. And Donald Trump reimbursing. Does Donald Trump know what he is reimbursing?

He has his stacks of checks, he's just signing them. Is he part of the planning and plotting? And can you do some can you have an N D A with anybody? Might be a sibling that hates you, like Mary Trump. It's on an NDA.

Somebody might make accusations on a bad business deal that you were in. You think you're right, but that person's going to come out and have press conferences and make you look bad.

So you get into business, you go, listen, NDA, what's it going to take to keep you quiet? Stormy Daniels has allegations. I don't need that coming out. Is it for your family? Or is it for?

Your campaign. They're trying to say that he affected the election because he did that for the campaign. If the campaign knew about Stormy Daniels, Hillary Clinton would have won. It's farcical. Nuts.

Bob Costello, not only do we all think it's nuts, but I think it's so important for the jury to hear this testimony that came out yesterday on Capitol Hill. This is Michael Cohen's attorney, who now is allowed to speak out. Cut one. Every time I brought it up. Every time he answered, I swear to God, God, excuse me, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.

I said, Michael, whatever you have has to be truthful. If you think you can go in there and tell these people lies, you're crazy. It's going to backfire on you. You can't do that. Pretty cool.

I mean, if you're Donald Trump, this is gold mine. I don't know why he's not called. They say because if you go up there and then he says other things that make Trump look bad, because he's not trying to get Trump elected. In a written testimony, Bob Costello said to the House Judiciary Committee throughout his two hour interview, Michael Cohen made clear that the payment to Daniels was his own idea, designed to try and get him back. Let me just flip the page here.

Into the inner circle of Donald Trump's people in Washington. Cohen also said at least 20 times: guys, I want you to know I will do whatever. The F I have to do, I will never spend one day in jail. The point is, when Michael Cohn was presented with the opportunity to implicate Trump in exchange for eliminating his own enormous legal problems, he repeatedly said he had nothing truthful on Donald Trump.

Now, after going to jail, Michael Cohen is on a revenge tour because he blames Donald Trump for the loss of his law license and the fact he did go to jail. There's also talk, and I don't have proof of this. that I have at Centene, that they threatened him jail time for his wife. They said, if you don't talk, we're going to go after your wife because your wife's going to knew about these payments. I'm not sure the truth behind that, but man, wouldn't that say a lot?

So we asked the American public, Fox News polls did, how do you feel Donald Trump's been treated generally?

So they asked registered voters. Fair? Fifty one percent. That number was 55% October of 23. Unfair, was 45%, 44% in October, 47% now.

My goodness, if you're paying attention, unless you're blindly anti-Trump. You would never say that this has been fair. The judge is not fair. The guy's given money to Joe Biden's campaign, and his daughter's a Democratic operative consultant, working with Dan Goldman.

Now, why is that important? And Adam Schiff, by the way. Why is that important? Dan Goldman was training Michael Cohen how to testify. Judge Murshan's Juan Murshan is the judge.

His daughter works for Dan Goldman, hired as a consultant. I mean, they don't even care about appearances and optics. They're saying, screw you. I got control of this process. Fox News poll, the treatment of Donald Trump by the legal system.

Democrats, 89% say fair. Republicans, only 13% say fair. Independence, 52% say fair. That independence is important. The other two you could throw out.

Also, when it comes to potential violations of campaign finance laws. In March, 45% say the President did something illegal.

Now they say 46% say something illegal.

Something unethical. 25% say unethical.

Now that number was at 27% in March. Nothing seriously wrong. 27% said now. 25% said nothing legally wrong then. 22% said nothing legally wrong in April.

So the American people aren't where I'm at. Um the Independents served 50-50.

So, the president's got to make sure that he wins this. And to me, you've got to put Bob Costello down. Yeah, do I know a lot about him? Not really. But do I think he seems pretty fair?

He doesn't seem anti-Trump. And how hard is it to sit Bob Costello down and say, Bob? We think about Trump. What else can you tell us about Michael Cohen? Maybe there's some things that make Trump look bad you don't want to take the risk.

Because when the prosecution gets up with your witness, and defense can either rest. We'll put their case on trial. Because it looks like prosecution rests after today with Michael Cohen. Daniel Bielak's next. A war that we're not paying enough attention to.

I am. In Ukraine, he tells us he works as a member of the Prime Minister of Ukraine's head of. Ukraine invest, trying to get help over there. He's the chief investment adviser. And then Garrett Ventry brings us inside the President's decision to say yes immediately to two debates.

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Defense Enterprise Fund. and it has three components. One is to provide weapons today.

So this will assist Ukraine in acquiring Those weapons. Two is to focus as well on something that Dimitro just talked about, investing in Ukraine's defense industrial base. That is our Secretary of State guitar player. Anthony Blinken. Just sickening to see him playing Neil Young in that war-torn country who is battling to keep Kharkiv in Ukrainian hands.

Daniel Bilak. Bilak joins us now, member of the Territorial Defense Forces of Ukraine. Dan, welcome back. Great to be back, Brian. Thanks.

Hey, Dan, what percentage of the weaponry that we've allocated has arrived? Do you have any idea? It's hard to say. I think there was some stuff that was at the border at the right when the bill got passed. But it was emphatically, I think we had some attackums for the first time.

But we're you know, there's a gap in the hose, right? And it's going to take a while to fill it. We were six months without any kit. Any assistance, and it's showing now the Russians are taking advantage of that in Kharkiv. We don't have the kind of artillery and the shells.

That we would have needed to hold them back from coming across the border. But I think we pretty much contained them at this point. Um, but you know, we're we're we're really playing catch up here. No doubt about it. And they've put about 100,000 more men into action.

None of them are well trained. They're not performing any differently. They've still lost tens of thousands. And it looks like the Russians have had a major shake-up. They're moved out their head of defense.

They put him to a position on the Economic Council. They elevated that guy from the Economic Council. They arrested two generals over the last 10 days for corruption and bribery charges.

So there are issues amongst the Russians. How would you characterize their fighting? Yeah, well, I mean, the fighting hasn't changed. As you pointed out, they're sending people with a couple weeks' training. Onto the front lines, which is just a suicide mission.

But you know, if you throw a couple of tens of thousands. at your lines, you still need to have ammunition to cut them down. And that's what we don't have. I mean, we're probably taking out over one thousand to one thousand five hundred of their of their soldiers a day But they just keep coming. And we need to have the ammunition, ASAP, to be able to push them back.

So what restrictions are the US putting you guys under? Yeah, this is a problem, Brian, because unlike the British and even the French. We've been told that we cannot use American weapons, especially artillery and especially attackums into Russia, which of course would we I mean, we knew they were going to be coming into Kharkiv, and now they're going to probably try Sume, which is further to the west. You know, it's been building up. They've been bombing these areas, and now they're moving in with their infantry.

And you know, had we had equipment, American equipment that we could have used, we could have actually taken this fight to them in Russia. And frankly, Brian, that's where they're most vulnerable. As you know, we've been taking out a lot of their oil refining capacity and some of their other military capacity inside Russia. In fact, you know, almost a thousand miles inside Russia. And it's taken out fifteen percent of their refining capacity.

So we have the ability, if we have the right weapons, we have the right delivery systems to actually take them out. And we didn't even need to go one thousand miles. We just needed to go a couple of miles to be able to have the artillery shells that we don't have and to be able to use them in the border areas where their armies were building up in inside Russia so that they don't come into our country to try to build a buffer zone. Whatever you do, you have to hold on to Kharkiv. It will be open running after that if you are not able to hold that line and they are trying to spread you out.

The U.S.-Helsinki Commission stated that the U.S. should allow Ukraine to conduct strikes against military targets in Russia border areas amid the big controversy because everyone doesn't want this to spread. At this point, don't you think you could just do it? I mean, especially with Joe Biden getting such blowback for restricting the Israelis. Yeah, there's no way we're going to do anything that's going to upset the administration.

That would then, you know, you also have the radical wing of the Republican Party saying that, you know, don't fund Ukraine.

So that would play into the hands of both of them, the left and the right. I mean, you know, we got to play by your rules. And these are the rules to this point in time, whether we like them or not. I mean, we will hopefully the Europeans are being more flexible and we can use some of that kit, but we just don't have enough of it.

So why can't we use some of our assets in Germany? People at these great military mines know we have a lot of tanks just sitting there. Why couldn't we instead of shipping everything here, why can't we use some of our stuff that's already there? Brian, it's incomprehensible to me. There are two thousand Leopard two tanks sitting in Europe, most of them in Western Europe.

I don't know who they're there to defend against. But those tanks were developed to fight Russian T-74 tanks. Which C-72 tanks, which are where? They're in Ukraine. Where is he advancing?

Westward. Where does that take him? To NATO's borders. I mean, it's an absolute no-brainer. Not only that, but we need the Patriot systems.

I mean, they're pulverizing Kharkiv and Odessa and Dnipro. It's just awful, the destruction that's been meted out there. And we need seven minimum seven Patriot missile systems. How many out? To defend, well, we only have a handful, but we need seven more to actually protect those cities.

of the hundred missile systems Patriot missile systems in Europe. And you know the the Euro people are blaming the Europeans, but the Europeans can't give us those systems without the approval of the United States.

So we come back to, you know, are we going to again be, you know, led on a lifeline, you know, a life support system, drip-fed, just enough to survive? What we really need right now, Brian, after this long wait for the very generous. $61 billion that the American people have made the administration give us. You know, what we need is for the administration and American people just to basically say, we want Ukraine to win. And that means Ukraine needs to take back all of its territory.

And that means we need to give them as soon as possible all the weapon systems that we have that we promised them as soon as possible so that they can get the job done. It's immoral to drip feed us because that means that so many of our people, both civilians and soldiers, die. I hear you. Dan, you're 100% right. And I think, again, nobody ever talks about it here.

They're focused on Israel. He doesn't talk about that here either. You can't criticize the administration because you don't want to get too political, I understand. But there's so many things where ultimately correctable would have had a real impact. But it's not over yet.

Just withstand this until $65 billion worth of equipment arrives. Daniel Billak, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. God bless the people of the United States. Thank you for your support.

Garrett Ventry is going to be next, founder of President GRB Strategies, Republican strategist. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. A so-called debate that was already going to be ridiculous. Is going to be even more preposterous.

It will be the theater of the absurd. They've got a debate that's not going to be a Roman Coliseum, but in a television studio without an audience, which disadvantages Trump. If Trump was as confident about his position and the Trump campaign was as confident about his position, he would not actually be taking this debate. That is a little of the give and take speculating on how this To debate format and the format and the networks all came together. It turns out there was some work behind the scenes since the Howard Stern interview when Joe Biden just blurted out that he'd do a debate.

Garrett Ventry is here in studio, founder and president of GRV Strategies, former advisor, Senator Chuck Grassley, now working with a myriad of candidates, including Elise Stefanik. Garrett, a matter of moments, the court case starts up again. One thing is pretty clear: every day there's a different set of Republicans backing the president that show up there today, among them are Michael Waltz and Matt Gates. Seems like about 12 of them are showing up. You think that's important?

Yeah, I mean, it shows the, I mean, essentially, Brian, it's going to be with you again. I mean, the courtroom is now the new Mar-a-Lago, essentially, right? All these Republican members of Congress, candidates, et cetera, are flocking there to show support for him. It just shows the kind of stranglehold and power center that Donald Trump has over the Republican Party. Who would have thought a couple of years back, everyone thought, you know, after the January 6th capital attack, people thought he was done, he was weakened.

And then you probably remembered this very well. Two weeks later, Kevin McCarthy then goes to Mar-a-Lago, kind of recognized very quickly that he was still the power center of the party. And, you know, you had all these challengers, DeSantis, Haley, very strong, potent. Young, up and coming, impressive people who got completely wiped out by him in the primary, right? And now we're sitting at a place where all these people, you know, a couple of years later, are flocking and it just shows his power center he has over the party.

Andy Biggs was there. Eli Crane is here. Michael Cloud is in New York. Laurie Boebert, Lauren Boebert, Bob Goode, Michael Waltz, Andy Oglus, and Matt Gates, and Diana. Uh, harsh barger are all there, just sit in court and then be able to speak about it because the president can't.

He's got that gag order. Very interesting. We're watching Bob Costello on TV, and Bob Costello is Michael Cohen's lawyer. I can't imagine. That he will not be asked to be a defense witness because he listened to Michael Cohen say a myriad of things that basically says Donald Trump did nothing wrong, but I'm going to come up with it to avoid prison time.

Here's a little of what he said yesterday on Capitol Hill, cut three. A lawyer representing Stormy Daniels who represented that she was going to testify that Donald Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels. Michael Cohn said, I didn't believe the allegation. But I knew that such an allegation would be terribly embarrassing. He said it would be embarrassing.

He focused on Melania Trump. He said I didn't want to embarrass Melania Trump. He said, that's why I decided to take care of this on my own. I went back to that several times. You did this on your own?

On my own. Did Donald Trump have anything to do with it? No. Bob Costello, the former attorney, freed up to answer any question. That's just it.

Did he do it to save his marriage or did he do it to help his campaign? Bob Costello is saying that Michael Cohen told him it was to save a personal problem, no idea what they were up to. He did it on his own. Yeah, I mean, that obviously very much undercuts. Yeah, that very much undercuts Michael Cohen.

I mean, Michael Cohen has credibility problems to begin with. I mean, when your witnesses in this case are, you know, an adult film star and a guy who's been disbarred, a felon, convicted, you know, known liar, lied to Congress, you know, has been referred to the Department of Justice for that recently by a number of members of Congress from the House Intel Committee, House Judiciary Committee, House Oversight Committee.

So I do think this is going to, this very much is someone who obviously has represented him and, you know, advised him and is saying that undercuts everything he says.

So Michael Cohen just has a clear credibility problem, which is a big problem for the prosecution in this case. Why don't you think the president's poll numbers have gone down since this trial started? I think a lot of it's baked in. This has been going on for a year. Remember the documents raid?

That was kind of big news. And the first indictment was like, whoa. And then the second, third, and fourth, people are just like, okay, I guess maybe there's a fifth, sixth, seventh, who knows? I think it's kind of baked in at this point. People know about the legal problems, but they don't.

Uh even if they don't like The legal problems, they think maybe he did something wrong, whatever that is. It's not translating the polls because people are voting right now about the economy, inflation, border, crime, those things. They're much more concerned about that. That actually affects their personal life. And they think Biden did a bad job handling all those issues.

New York Times today said behind the scenes they've been working this in back channels. And they said that Joe Biden put millions of dollars already into his campaign, has not moved the numbers only the wrong way. Bidenomics, $20 million, just to label it and to market it. And it was an epic fail.

So the numbers are not moving. The momentum is not going his way.

So the protests are only hurting.

So this changes the narrative.

So. The debate is announced on Twitter at 8 a.m. President agrees at 8:30 a.m. Your thoughts. Yeah, I mean he he's kind of in a place here where he has to try and project Some sort of strategy.

Biden does. I mean, Trump would probably debate him ten times. I don't think anyone doubts President Trump's ability to, you know, stand him, his ability to do the job, his ability to fly across the country and be in court and then do rallies and then do all these stopbys. President Trump has extremely, you know, he's got a lot of energy. With President Biden, I mean, the problem here is he's got to project strength.

He can't do the basement strategy again, right? Because people are actually very much questioning his age. He has no excuse not to be out there. And he's still really not on the campaign trail.

So I think him debating is a, it shows what the numbers probably look like for the Biden campaign, too, right? Why you think it shows if he was leading, they don't do it. No, no, I think if he's leading, that's too high risk for you, right? Biden's not great on his feet. He's a gaffe machine.

He looks old. He's got a record that's tough to defend. And so I think the reason that they're doing this, I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to do more debates because I think his numbers are really bad and he sees this as an effort to try to, as a last-ditch kind of effort. The format they want, no crowd, and they want your mic killed unless you're talking. Right.

So the problem is when I see a debate, I don't want to see a series of short and long speeches. I like the international. Action. 100%. I prefer not to ruin it.

It's old school boxing. You want back and forth. Absolutely. I mean, before they ruined it, everyone worried about people getting hurt. But if you watch Kennedy Nixon, they let each other finish, but it was organic.

So that's the problem I have. You agree to Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. He watched those shows. I mean, it's not that they're not talented and smart. But they just hate Trump.

They don't think he's a valid candidate. They think he should be in jail. They won't carry his speeches. He's lied so much. I'm keeping a fact checker there.

And they get rewarded. Jake. Jake Tapper got an award for his coverage of the Russia hoax. He should be melting that down and cashing that in or giving the cash back to the Trump Foundation. That's right, actually.

Pretty much at that point. No, Tapper's lost all credibility. I think he's the peak guy who went from being so clear. Is that a problem, Gary? You know, listen, I think.

Trump is very hard to pin down. I mean, you've interviewed him before. I think he is a force of nature that you can't prepare for in a debate. I don't know how you prepare for Donald Trump in a debate. He's got energy, he comes from all sides, he throws punches, he's unpredictable.

I don't think he was that good with the Biden debate last year. And it turns out, I mean, last cycle, and it turns out he did have COVID. And there was no foreign policy debate in the last one. I don't even remember. I think if I'm President Trump, what I'd want to be careful about is I would want to be careful about setting the bar too low.

If you just set the bar too low and you say, well, listen, this guy can barely walk and he can put two cents together, then you're setting the bar low. I think what you need to do is you need to make this president versus president, and you're going to really focus on the record. Listen to this, Garrett. If the president's your client, I know you'd love that. Because it's your client, and you just found out the moderators are Dana Bash and Jake Tapper.

Here's their resume. the dehumanizing rhetoric of Adolf Hitler. Is once again alive and well on a national political stage. This time, of course. In the United States, this time given life by former president and current Republican presidential frontrunner.

Donald Trump. Let's recognize this comment for what it is: a long-standing anti-Semitic trope that the true allegiance for Jews is to their religion rather than their country. It was used in Nazi Germany to justify the arrests, persecutions, and mass killings, attempted extermination of the Jewish people. And Trump has been pushing this trope for years. Come on, yeah.

So what do you think? Do you think they're going to make those Margaret Brennan-like aside comments as someone answers and then they switch subjects and they're going to be interrupting and saying that's not true? I mean, what they're saying is a trope. When Donald Trump says, if you're Jewish in America, you should be ashamed of yourself if you don't vote for Republicans because look what the Democrats are doing to you. That's not a trope.

That's a fact. Right.

No, and I mean, I think a lot of what he's saying, too, it's like, you know, they're talking about anti-Semitism. It's like Joe Biden has been really weak on this issue, right? With all the protests you're seeing on college campuses and really just even cutting off any help to Israel, right? I was told you can be impeached for that. You remember Ukraine in 2019 with President Trump.

I would say if you take a step back, Trump is used to being in these scenarios where it's like a two-on-one, three-on-one versus him, right? He's dealt with this over and over again. I think he is a very good debater. He's strong on the issues. He's quick on his feet.

He's unpredictable. I think he's going to do just fine in the debate against Biden and the anchors, frankly. Right.

So you wouldn't be bothered by it. I mean, it's crazy. I'm a little ticked off that Fox. Box doesn't do it. Yeah, but they should do it.

You guys should get one. It's ridiculous. Why wouldn't Biden do it? I mean, Martha Bratt, yourself, all of you guys are very fair, and you'd think you'd want to do it. Um I would think so too.

So Jason Miller was asked last night with Jesse. He's the drunk of the Trump campaign, he's a senior advisor. Why did you say yes so quick? Cut fourteen. President Trump is ready for any situation that comes at him, so I think he's going to be good.

What I think is notable here, though, is, and I'm going to take a little bit of different tack than what Britt said, I don't think there's so much of a strategy from Joe Biden's side. I think his campaign, to be clear, does not want him to debate. They're terrified of this. But he went on Howard Stern, and he said he was going to debate. And you can imagine just the alarm bells going off in Wilmington, Delaware at campaign headquarters saying, oh my God, what do you do now?

Joe said he's going to go and debate.

So they came up with a strategy. You tried to put it out in the same day as this inflation numbers. But now, again, they're going to have Joe Biden on the stage. That's not good. That is not good for them at all.

So that's inside the campaign. They said they've been plowing the ground, so they weren't totally surprised. Then Trump came out and says, well, we'll have some changes. It's going to be interesting. What do you feel how do you feel about both sides wanting RFK off the stage, Garrett?

Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. The reason why he shouldn't be on the stage at this point is because he has no path to two hundred and seventy votes. I mean, you know, to be president you need to win two hundred and seventy electoral coaches. Uh I mean, more so he was on he was on more states. The problem is like he's struggling to get on the ballot in some of these states.

So I think like From my vantage point, it opens up Pandora's box and you just let anybody on there because they have some popularity online, or they're doing decent in the polls. I think having an actual path forward is really. You know, RFK's a wild card, though. Because we can't figure out who is a wild card, right? And Tony Fabrizio, you know, is that a.

A session at the RNC two weeks ago where he even was very honest about that, where he's a very smart pollster, as you know, President Trump's pollster. And you have this kind of like he hurts, it looks like he hurts Trump in some states, he hurts Biden in other states.

So he's kind of a really weird wild card with a lot of his policies. And so it's really tough to tell. I want to break down the Senate. We come back. We're also, I understand Michael Cohen's back on the stand.

He's beginning to speak.

So we'll be able to give you, we have two reporters in there, so we'll be able to give you an idea of what's happening. President Trump did just speak. He didn't say much new. He pumped out the fact that Jonathan Terrell and Mark Levin are great lawyers who both think the trial is a sham and a scam. We'll talk about that.

And we'll talk about the polls too. Fox News came out with polls. You probably haven't heard them all. I printed them out. We'll go through it with Garrett Ventry.

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Is Michael Cohen a liar? That doesn't begin to describe him. He lies at every opportunity when it's in his favor. Is there a single branch of government that Michael Cohen hasn't lied to? Gee, I I think there there isn't.

Uh because that was Bob Costello, the former attorney to Michael Cohen at Congress yesterday, the voice was Matt Gates. He was in front of the Judiciary Committee to try to find out what is really behind this trial, which is nothing. There's no way he should be tried for this. I just hope you know. When Mitt Romney comes out and says President Biden should have been the bigger man and just pardoned President Trump for this, politically, you can't say that Joe Biden's benefiting from this.

Garrett Ventry, you're the expert, though, founder of President GRB Strategies and a GOP political, not only advisor, but I think an expert. Garrett, your thought about that. I mean, what he just said and what the trial means for President Trump's fortunes. Yeah, I mean, that is actually a very good point here. And I mean, everything that's happening here with Costello is just very interesting, too, as he's on Fox right now as we're watching this.

It just undermines a lot of his credibility here. He clearly just wanted to get out of spending any time in jail or being convicted. And it seems like I think Gates' point was very interesting. I laughed at the beginning of it. Is there any branch of government that Matt Gates has not, or that Michael Cohen has not lied to?

And the answer seems to be clearly no. These are the judicial branch as well. The answer seems to be he has lied to all of them.

So that's also interesting. Right, it is.

So we'll talk about that in the trial. Evidently, there was a six-minute pull-aside, and now they're ready to start the trial. We'll give you the latest on that.

So I wanted to talk more about what's happening with this overall election. When you saw 80,000 to 100,000 in Wildwood, New Jersey, you've seen a lot in your career. You've seen Bush, you've seen McCain, you've seen Romney run for president. You saw Barack Obama get these huge crowds in places like Berlin. Can you put in perspective when a former president gets $100,000 with 40-degree weather in Wildwood, New Jersey, a state he lost by 15 points?

Yeah, there's clearly an unreal movement right now for President Trump. And we've talked about this before, whether it's with gaining with Hispanic voters, young people, African-American voters. People are just, I think, sick and tired of Joe Biden. That's number one. I think number two, they miss Donald Trump's policies.

And you're seeing this here. Again, it's unthinkable that you'd have 80 or 100,000 people at a political rally, right? You're talking about that's like filling up the University of Michigan stadium. for a football game. You see it for things like that.

And you're right to point out Obama did have big crowds, but to put those in perspective, you're talking about some of these are like three, maybe five, maybe ten thousand. If a political candidate can get over one thousand in a crowd, that's really impressive, right?

So you're talking about ten, you know, 100 times X that. It's extremely impressive, the movement Donald Trump has.

So, right now, where are you guys when it comes to fundraising? Are you closing the gap? Yeah, I mean, Democrats are just always going to be outraising Republicans. The problem is they have more donors to pull from.

So that's a problem. They've done a better job with their system on ActBlue than WinRed in the small dollar game. And so they just have more donors to pull from.

So Republicans have to get smart. You have to look at like, hey, okay, we're going to be outspent two to one, three to one. You saw this in the 2016 election with Trump and Hillary. You saw it with Biden and Trump in 2020. You've seen it in the midterm elections.

You're seeing it with Senate candidates where you've got, you know, Sherrod Brown, the incumbent in Ohio, raising $12 million and Bernie Moreno raising $3 million. And $3 million is a pretty good challenge. It's a good for a GOP challenger. That's a good quarter. But you're right, right.

So I think what they need to do is you've got to focus on who are the persuadable voters. How do you do the basics, door knocking, digital fundraising, mail, chasing ballots, mail-in ballots, those type of things with those persuadable voters?

So Republicans need to get creative because we're just going to get outspent. Right.

So let's look at the Senate candidates. It looks like Jim Justice has emerged in West Virginia. Do you believe he's got that? I know he's got as much money as he has. There is some financial problems there.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that one's because Manchin's not running. I think that's a lock for the GOP. It's a state that Trump's won by 30, 40 points.

Jim Justice, a popular two-term governor. I think he wins that one easily. Obviously, Larry Hogan in Maryland, that just kind of completely shifts the map, right? That would never be competitive, as you know, a very deep blue state. But having a very popular two-term governor again, have you seen polling there that shows Hogan not in contention or leading?

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. You see a lot there where he is leading. And Trump should just stay away from that. Yeah, I think the smartest thing for Hogan is Hogan just doesn't want Republicans to touch him.

I was talking with National Republicans about this yesterday, and the goal is to let Hogan just do his thing. Nobody talk about Hogan. Let him go kind of run the race he wants to run. And that puts that on the map. And you're talking about that makes it tougher if you're Chuck Schumer now, having to spend in Maryland is not in the cards.

That'd be like the Republicans having him to spend in Arkansas, right? It's not in the cards. How do you feel about, I think Tim Sheehee on paper looks phenomenal, but I haven't seen a poll where he's beating Tester. He's within three or four points. Is he being supported by the Republican Party?

He is. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, Steve Daines has done a wonderful job this cycle. Like compared to the Rick Scott cycle of last cycle, he's done a great job investing in candidates early. He's done a great job supporting him. Sheehee, you know, Tester's a very popular incumbent, but being within three points with limited name ID, it shows that he's in his true position.

It is, but, you know, he's got to get his name ID up, right? And so it's just. More and more people learn about him. Trump on the top of the ticket, that's going to help him. Right.

What about in Pennsylvania, real quick? I think McCormick, I think he's a good candidate. I think he's going to have a tougher time than the other two candidates just because Pennsylvania is much more of a swing state. What a resume he has. He does.

Garrett Bentry. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Meet Show.

So glad you're here, especially on a busy day like this. We're watching a bunch of things, a lot of moving parts today. On Capitol Hill, they are making an effort to possibly subpoena or hold in contempt the Attorney General of the United States for not giving the tapes of the Robert Hurr interview of Joe Biden. It's evidently so bad. The White House is looking to stop it.

Why? Because Robert Hurst's conclusion was he's too old and his memory is too bad to prosecute him, which is pretty damning. You forget that. Standing by this hour, we're going to have Congressman Burgess Owens, and we'll do a sample cast on Varney Company, and then Mark Thiessen is standing by at the At the trial, we have some moving parts there and some information coming in as Michael Cohens resumes testimony as defense gets a chance to their cross-examination for day two. Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. While students walk to class, they're met with masked individuals screaming at them, quote, go die, you're Hitler's children and Nazis. The lesson that Penn has been teaching students and faculty is that violence and harassment work. That is true, and that is a student at Penn.

College campus chaos continues. You see Irvine embarrassing themselves and their families, and their college president immediately caves to the divest demands. And now that President just got suspended, anti-American, anti-Israeli, anti-Semitism has to stop. Number two. particularly one ahead in the race.

Biden would not do this. He might do one debate. This willingness to debate Trump to me is a perfect sign of his obvious weakness. That is the great Brit Hume. Debate away.

We're going to do it. Two dates are set for Trump Biden, too. My problem: CNN and ABC selected, especially CNN. They picked Dana Bash and Jake Tapra. Both hate Trump.

Yeah, they're talented, they're good, but they hate Trump. Why would you give a nod to two moderators that don't like you, that don't take your comments live, that actually you fired the president of your company for giving Donald Trump a town hall, and you host the debates fairly, please? Number Every time I brought it up Every time he answered, I swear to God, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump. I said, Michael, whatever you have, has to be truthful. If you think you can go in there and tell these people lies, you're crazy.

That is Bob Costello, the former attorney for Michael Cohen, trial day 18. Defense biggest day to date. Continue the cross-examination of star witness Michael Cohen.

Some believe he already perjured himself, and Cohen's former attorney, now calling all of this a lie and a lie. It's the foundation of the case. Costello has to take the stand when you think, Mark Thiessen, you're not an attorney. We always love having you on. But your thoughts, fundamentally, wouldn't you think a guy like that has to go on the stand?

I practice in the court of public opinion, my friend. That's where I am. Enough for my apartment. That's good enough for me. Yeah.

But yeah, of course. He should. And look, I mean, the prosecution's entire case. Rests on the word of an admitted perjurer, which is a fancy legal word for a liar. I mean, this case is just a disaster.

And, you know, it may be that the judge has set it up in a way legally that the prosecution could still pull off a victory, and he's got a jury of New Yorkers, most of whom hate Trump.

So anything could happen. But the one thing that we're seeing is that as this case goes on, Trump's moving up in the polls. And it's not working in terms of stopping him from pulling ahead, which is probably why Joe Biden has agreed to debate him, because he's got to do something dramatically to alter the direction of this rate. Mark, I'm just going to fast-forward ahead because we're talking about this in a break. I think that when they come up to the verdict on this trial, despite what we all think and logic enters into this, and we've heard other people who clearly are anti-Trumpers notice the holes in this case, got it.

But if this jury is not persuadable and they came in ready to convict, can you imagine the moment? when they find him guilty and they put cuffs on the former President and take him away, even if they have to let him out to sentencing. Can you imagine as everyone waits on the outside on the verdict, And can you imagine if that moment happens and what it's going to do to this country if that does happen? It's a disaster. It's a disgrace.

It's an absolute disgrace. But also think about the possibility what happens if he's acquitted. I mean, you know, everybody's assuming that he's going to get that, you know, that Trump is going to get shot. You think so? All the pollsters ask the question: well, if Trump is convicted, will that affect your vote?

I'd like to see the polls asking, if Trump is acquitted, how will that affect your vote? Because that's a possibility. But again, if Trump is convicted and he's put in jail even for a second, it's a personal tragedy for him, but it's great for him politically. That's what I was getting to. Do you really think so?

Yes, I do. I think, especially in this case, which I think is, you know, I think he would have a harder, the hardest case for him to explain away is the classified documents case, right? And there's an argument, he's got an argument in it, which is that Joe Biden did the exact same thing as I did, and he's not being prosecuted because he's senile. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen. You're putting him away for a bookkeeping error.

You're putting a former president in handcuffs. for something that for an NBA for trying to kill a negative story that would embarrass him. I just don't think that there's, I don't think there are a lot of people who say that this is legal experts on either side who say that this is a legitimate prosecution. And if you put the president in jail for something that a lot of people think is an illegitimate prosecution, I think it just helps him. Mark Thiessen, our guest, Mark, this is what Bob Costello, the former attorney to Michael Cohen, just said.

said to Bill Hammer. One thing that you're not reporting yet is that besides making that statement, I swear to God, I don't have anything on Donald Trump, he also said. more times than that answer. Guys, I want you to understand, I will do whatever the F I have to do. I will never spend a day in jail.

And then he'd slam his hand on the conference room table. And what does that mean to you? That means this guy is saying I will lie, cheat, steal, do whatever I have to do. I'm not going to jail.

Well, he did go to jail. And who do you think he blames for that? And why do you think he names his most recent book, Revenge?

So that all means a lot to everyone out there. Why? Because they want to get his motive for doing that and did Michael Cohen act alone without the behest of the president. We know this whole thing took place while the president was president. We know that he signed checks because he was president of the company, but he had nothing to do with the company.

And he signed it for legal fees. That's what he says, but he signed it from a different account. And what they're trying to say, what Bob Costello says, is. Bob Costello says that he did it on his own. And that Michael Cohen told him that, and I know because I was his attorney.

And he's free to testify against Michael. He freed him up from executive client privilege, and he never got paid for Michael Cohen.

So, if people are wondering why he's doing this now. To me, I don't see how you not put him on the stand. And when people say, well, the case has already been won, in whose case don't say that. It's not a Yankee game where we look at the final score. We have a jury we've never met who will decide who wins.

No, I agree 100%. I think the defense should call him as a witness. And quite frankly, this case is so bad that the judge should just dismiss it at the end of the prosecution case. They haven't proved their case, which he could do. He's not going to do, but he should.

I mean, this whole case is an atrocity. And just to put this in perspective, Brian, we have never. Ever in the history of our country, seen a former president prosecuted for anything. The idea that, and so if you were gonna prosecute a former president, it would have to be for something. Serious, serious, serious to the fate of our country and to break that precedent.

And he's being prosecuted for this. for for for suppressing a bad news story, which isn't a crime, for bookkeeping that he wasn't responsible for. And they're going to put him in jail. And this is just one. I mean, ninety one ninety one indictments.

91. Knocked it down to 87. Don't overstate it. Charles Manson got less. You mentioned Charles Manson and Al Capone got less.

Yeah. Real quick, I want to you wrote about Speaker Johnson, I was able to spend a few hours with him a couple of days ago, at which time he gave me a historical tour. He goes, I'm an amateur historian, seems like a pro to me. But then we talked about real issues. Here's what he said about the significance of the holding back Israel aid.

I spoke to Prime Minister Netanyahu myself. I called him because I wanted to get direct from him what is being held back and he said it's precision weapons and he said the irony is we need these precision munitions because this is how we protect innocent civilian life in Rafa, in Gaza. And so the irony is what Joe Biden is doing for political purposes to try to appease the pro-Hamas people in his party, I guess or pro-Palestinian, he's doing real harm to the cause and the protection of innocent life.

So, just a little of the consequential decisions. You think that even though he's an accidental speaker, he could be one of the most consequentials. You want to run through for Huey the reason why?

Well, sure. I mean, he was an accidental speaker. But I mean, think about what what what he's accomplished. He passed a government funding bill to keep the government open. He passed the surveillance law that we need to pass that was controversial on the Republican side to protect our countries.

It was abused. He passed Ukraine aid, aid to Israel, aid to Taiwan, the Repo Act to seize Russian assets so we can give them to Ukraine, sanctions on Russia, China, Russia, Iran, and Taiwan. The TikTok bill to ban TikTok if it's not sold. I mean, that is just a, and then he beat back an effort to try and unseat him. Name me another speaker in history that has accomplished more in a shorter time with, and he did this with a one-vote majority.

I mean, it's a spectacular record of achievement. This guy is one of the biggest, best, most consequential speakers we have ever had in this country. And on Israel, he is exactly right. The idea that Joe Biden is withholding weapons to our ally, Israel, because he's afraid of a few thousand voters in Dearborn, Michigan is an absolute disgrace. This man does not deserve to be president of the United States.

And I will just say, I just talked to Dan Bilak from Ukraine. He's one of the investment head of Ukraine Invest, and he used to be a member of the previous prime minister's cabinet. And he came out and just said that the limitations that the U.S. are giving. Are really hinderists.

They can't, even though the Helsinki ruling came out and said there's justification for Ukraine to hit military facilities in Russia, we're stopping them from doing that. We are still slow-walking Patriot missile systems, and none of the aid that we was earmarked three weeks ago has gotten there yet. And we have not had the foresight to push Germany to let some of the leopard tanks just sit in there and put them right into theater.

So, this is the problem with supporting Joe Biden. Even if the mission is right, the execution is all wrong.

So they had months while this bill was be working its way through through Congress. To pre-position the equipment so that the second that it was passed by Congress, they could move it. And they didn't do it. Like, what were you waiting for? Why didn't you pre-position everything so they could move the second Congress authorized it?

One, two, what happened, what Bilak is talking about, and he's a great guy, what he's talking about is that the Russians just launched an offensive from Russia, and the Ukrainians were watching as they positioned all these troops on the other side of the border, and they weren't allowed to hit them before they moved into Ukraine because the U.S. won't allow us to use any U.S. weapons on Russian territory. And so they had to sit there and watch the enemy. Massing its troops for a massive invasion, and once they come in pouring across the border, they're everywhere.

It's much harder to hit them when they were concentrated right on the other side of the border, and those people are killing thousands of Ukrainians right now.

So literally, that decision, that policy, is costing the lives of thousands of innocent Ukrainian civilians right now who are getting who are being killed by these Russian marauders.

So I asked Speaker Johnson how he felt about Kev McCarthy coming out saying when they would remove you, Hakeem Jefferson Democrats saved you. Here's what McCarthy came out and said, I would never allow myself to be saved. Here's what he said to that yesterday. Listen. Kev McCarthy said something last week that caught some people by surprise.

He said that I never would have allowed myself to be saved by Democrats like Speaker Johnson. Look, I could say a couple of things about that. Might as well say it. Kevin did tell people here in the building that he had made a deal with Pelosi and he thought that they would save him. By contrast, I didn't make any deals.

I didn't have any conversations. I didn't ask any Democrats to do anything at all. They voted their own conscience. I think what they voted, I think what you saw there was a recognition of people on both sides of the aisle that the country desperately needs a functioning Congress right now.

So He always is very cool under pressure. And even if he had lost his job, he says, I wouldn't sweat it. And he says, the reason why he's very religious and he says, all you do is the best you can for the right reasons. And if things don't work out, they weren't supposed to. And that's why he says he's so calm all the time.

He doesn't worry about things out of his control. And so far, he's lived up to that. I've never seen him fostered. No, not at all. He's a man of deep faith and he's a great speaker.

And the idea. that he should allow Marjorie Taylor Greene and a knucklehead caucus of nine Republicans oust him because just let that happen is absurd. What he has done by making the con the House functional again is he's given the Republicans a chance to hold on to the House. Because Under the previous regime, the house was a disaster. And it wasn't getting things done.

It was a circular firing squad. It was an embarrassment to the country. And it looked like we were going to lose the House. Maybe now that we've passed a raft of legislation doing good things that the American people support, maybe Republicans have a chance of holding on to the House. And maybe we can even get a majority big enough that we can go back to ignoring Marjorie Taylor Veene and put her back on the back bench where she belongs, where nobody pays attention to anything she says.

Lastly, on the debates, did President Trump make the right move accepting the invitation? 100%. I mean, look, Trump's not afraid. He'll go, you know, I mean, CNN's a disaster. I agreed with your big three.

But you know what? Trump went into CNN and he did that town hall. He wasn't afraid. He's not afraid of anybody. He'll do an interview with almost anyone.

So, I mean, I think Trump is going to be fine. He's ready to debate anytime, any place, anywhere, under any circumstances. And Joe Biden's putting all these conditions, like we have to shut off the microphones and we have to do it on certain networks because God knows he couldn't handle a question from Brett Baer and Martha McCallum.

Okay, fine, coward. We'll debate on your cowardly stage. That's fine. Donald Trump can handle it. Mark Thiessen.

Thanks so much. We'll give you the latest on the trial in a moment. Mark's got a great column out in the Washington Post. Expands on the impact of Johnson and what is left to do. They're working hard.

They have not given, unlike Paul Ryan, he has not given up and holding on to the majority.

So they think they have their plan in place, even though they're going to be outraised as usual. Mark, thank you. Thank you. Hey, Burgess Owens at the bottom of the hour. Your call's next: 1866-408-7669.

Michael Cohen is going out of with the defense right now in the second day of Cross. Don't move. Both sides, all opinions. It's Brian Gilmead. Breaking news, unique opinions.

Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back, everybody. We're waiting, we're seeing some things going on in the court cases, and here's one of the readouts. Michael Cohen admits to the jury he lied under oath during a 2017 testimony before Congress. As I just told you before, this gets even worse than that.

Bob Costello says he was lying up until we went to prison, at which time to get out, he says he would do everything, and that's deliver Donald Trump. Remember, the guy that could help out, and I would need to be educated on this, I can't figure it out, is Alan Weisenberg. And a few times, Michael Cohen came out and said the only people there was me and Alan, because Alan wrote the checks for the company. And Donald Trump would sign him.

So if Alan Weisenberg, who's in Rikers Island right now, Came out and said, Yeah, this never happened. Or I don't talk to Michael Cohen about money. That further knocks down his case.

Now, you could come out and say Donald Trump knew everything, but because he wouldn't lie, Is why he got in trouble. And they found out they drilled down to the fact that he used company car to pick up his grandson at school. Those are one of the things they said they mixed and match expenses. You name one person in business, especially on their own, that doesn't mix and match intentionally and unintentionally when it comes to these things. You put certain things on the house.

That's not why you go to Rikers Island. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. What value is such an acknowledgement if action takes two weeks? The lesson that Penn has been teaching students and faculty is that violence and harassment work.

Pennas allowed individuals attack with impunity. When we applied to Penn, we expected to be nervous about our final exams. what we didn't expect was to have counterterrorism units roaming on our campus. Taxpayers weren't aware that their Federal dollars would support the hate that has taken root at Penn. But make no mistake.

It is not the administration alone.

Some professors at Penn are also abetting hateful speech and conduct. And that is a student speaking out about the horrendous behavior of the University of Pennsylvania. We're now also finding about UC Irvine, where the kids sitting in got the president to acquiesce and say, I will promise to consult with students on our investment strategy. When the board found out about that, they suspended the president. But it's happening, it's happening at Rutgers, happening at Brown, happening in Northwestern.

They're giving into these idiots who have no idea about the Middle East. And if you don't like how your school invests, so you don't like the campus, you don't like the size of the dorms, pick another school. Congressman Burgess Owens joins us right now, member of the Transportation House and Education Committees. Congressman, welcome back. Your thoughts about that kid's statement.

Well if Yeah. And I'll say this, Brian, sometimes it takes really difficult times for us to go through. But out of those difficult times, American people start talking. We realize really what we've always stood for. We want our kids to be able to be productive, to stand on our shoulders and be more successful than we were.

The last few years, between COVID, October 7th, we're recognizing that our culture has been hijacked. Uh and and we're not really how it's been done, it's been done through stealth. through lying. It's been through the educational system. It's a slow march of Marxism that's been happening for decades.

So yes, we're seeing these some of these kids on are coming out the the results of indoctrination. We're also seeing we have the same elk And these are professors. They find it a very soft spot. It's very easy. They get tenure.

They sit back. And all they have to do is get paid the six-figure income and adopt our kids, and they're truly happy with it.

So now we know, and we're going to start holding them accountable. I'm part of the Education Workforce Committee. And I think right now we're recognizing that education is a national security issue. We see the border. We understand that.

We know what we have to get done to make that tangible thing happen. But we're also recognizing what's happening in our classrooms behind our backs is important or more important to make sure we get our kids back on track and away from this evil Marxist ideology. I want you to hear more from this Penn student, Eva Yacobi. Yukobe, he's Jewish, cut 21. They also vandalized the Benjamin Franklin statue with Nazi and Hamas logos, as well as graffiti reading, quote, Zayos Get F ⁇.

While the encampment persisted on an anonymous social media app exclusive to Penn students, Post read, quote, Burn filthy Zayo, and quote, keep protesting louder. Hamas just made a statement, and they're with us. Penn, after 16 days, finally disbanded the encampment, declaring: quote, our community has been under threat for too long. Wood a wood a cutless punch. Right?

I mean, gutless, because they got to call the cops in. When the cops come in, they have to deal with this crap because these people are afraid of their students. Yeah. Well, you're right, the cowards, say that up front. And we've been led by people who adhere to the Marxist ideology.

We now understand, we've been hearing about this stuff for years, not having a name for it.

Now we have a name for it. It's BEI. It's when you have a teaching that we judge each other based on our skin color, based on our culture, based on our religion. That has never been the American way. And Brian, we got past this back when I was a kid in the 60s.

We thought we'd move past this mess where you have bigotry. You put a black name into this process here, and we would never stand for it. What do you mean? What do you mean if they were protesting black students on campus, what would it be like?

Well, first of all, it would take a nanosecond for them to come in and make sure if they were. bigots, KKK bigots, everybody will be looking at it. They'll be saying this is not right. We've put people in jail for decades. It would be a big issue.

But because of this ideology of oppressor and oppress, If you have a race being an oppressor, there's no empathy. There'll never be an empathy. And that's what we realized on October 7th. I had no idea how far our kids have been pulled away from our culture when they have no idea what evil looks like and cannot stand up against it.

So the good thing is we now know. And I'll tell you, Brian, when we wake up as a country, there's nothing more powerful. We, the people, will address this. Thank goodness we have a Congress right now that's run by the Republican Party. This is a priority for us.

And we're going to make sure that we're holding these colleges accountable. Take away the funds, make sure the outcome is the right outcome, and then give our college a level playing field so those others can compete. And they'll get the funding if these I believe colleges don't want to do their job.

Well, yeah, I mean, we'll have to see. Also, how about this revelation? Foxnews.com, Fox News Digital. The Chinese Communist Party linked to networks behind the well-funded anti-Israel campus protest. A new report from the Network Contagion Research NCRI shows.

A political activist group linked to the Chinese Communist Party has played a crucial role in funding and organizing anti-Israel protests and have disrupted college campuses across the U.S. in recent weeks. Though ostensibly focused on Israel, the broader protests are part of a well-funded initiative driving a revolutionary anti-government, anti-capitalist agenda. How long are we going to sit there and let ourselves be played by Russia and China?

Well, we shouldn't be surprised. We have a legislation that says these colleges should be transparent. Where's the money coming in? We realize with our new Congress, the Republican state can take into place that 60% of them have not given us the information they needed.

So they have not been held accountable for this. Louis, 60%, what? 60% of colleges, when you ask them to find out what kind of money you have coming and where it's coming from, 60% have not answered you? That's for sixty percent. The way it was set up, they should be reporting every year what where the money was coming from, how much it was and sixty percent of it.

We just remember, we just took control of this of this process what, a year and a half ago. We took control and realized that 60% have not been giving us the information they need.

So that's one of the first things we're going to get to when it's talking about oversight is holding these people accountable. Where is the money coming from? These endowment funds, billions of dollars put in place. Where is that coming from?

So we're now understanding that we are under attack. Where the attack is coming from. And I'll tell you another thing: President Trump has already decided that he's going to be, this is going to be one of his top priorities, handling this issue of being attacked from within.

So I'm excited about having a bigger majority, getting the Senate, and getting to President Trump. Believe me, this will end, and the American people will be behind us at this point because they now realize what's been going on.

So, Congressman Owens, it didn't take you long to bond with President Trump. I know he supports you. You won your seat in a very, very tough race. Your seat's always going to be competitive.

Now you have an opponent, Katrina Falloch Wong. She won the Democratic primary.

Meanwhile, I thought this was significant. Another football player, a little bit more aggressive than you, different position, showed up. Along with Otis Anderson in Wildwood, New Jersey, as a black man and maybe the greatest player of all time, New York giant, Lawrence Taylor said this. I just wanted to say. I grew up a Democrat and I've always been a Democrat until I met this man right here.

Now I'll tell you what. He will not have to worry about Nobody in my family ever Vote for a Democrat again. How many other people have that? Have you talked to that you never thought would understand what the Republican Party could do for them and are now thinking like you in the Black Republic? Brian, I've been praying for this year, for this time, for 40 years.

And when I made the transition with Reagan, I went from a Democrat. uh to Republican but it basically I was always in the conservative. But I went from Democrat to Republican, realizing only the conservative values within the Republican Party. This has been the day I've been waiting for. And I tell you what, once our race gets back to the culture, the values that we've always believed are important, we will never, ever, ever go back.

And that's the biggest threat to the Democratic Party because it's an emotional deal. Once we've broken that emotional dependency with these guys and we go back to our values, then we become a threat to the Democratic Party. And you wonder why the board is open? They get this, and they realize if they lose us, which you're doing, they have to figure out a way to bring other people to bring in to be dependent to make their make their case.

So I'm excited where we are. The the black community is waking up in a big way. We want the same things every other race wants. Freedom, opportunity, our jobs, our businesses, our kids that grow up and have a visual future. And we're realizing it's not the Democratic Party is going to do that.

With the idea that they use misery as a political strategy, we have to go to a place where we know the American dream is still alive and well, and that's the Republican Party. I would love to one day, soon, reverse the hyphen, whereas we're an American African, an American Irish-American, so American-Irish. Just like think America first. And we're like, well, it's good for Hispanics, it's good for blacks, it's good for whites. I would love to get to the point.

Where the only people that do that are maybe strategists behind the scenes, and it no longer isn't part of every news copy and part of our everyday language. Reverse the hyphen. This is why President Trump was such a threat. In October 2016, he put together a document called the New Deal for Urban America, and it went through 10 different points of what he would do: business ownership, protecting our religion, education. But what happens is the 10 points he put in place were not just for black people, it's for everybody.

So you wonder why he was so successful. Those policies he put in place helped everyone who wanted to live the American dream. Right.

Congressman Burgess Owens, always great. Still working hard, looking for two more years in Utah. If you're in Utah, give it to him.

Now, the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Business's Varney and Company with Stuart Varney live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. And I see up there Jim and Bruce, and we'll get to the other two calls too, right at the end because Warney usually leaves me a little bit of room at the top. Stuart Varney's got the number one or number two show on Fox Business. It's always great to join in.

We're talking about the Trump trial, and I'm keeping you up to date on what's happening.

So far, there was about a six-minute pull-aside for both sides. I don't know what the contention was, and our people don't know exactly what it is, but Cohen is back on the stand right now, and he's being questioned about statements he made with the Southern District of New York when he said he was lying, and now he's supposedly telling the truth. Let's listen in. Here's Stuart. Brian Kilmey joins me now.

Trump and Biden have agreed to two debates before the November election, but it's on Biden's terms. Mics that turn off when a candidate's time expires, no crowd, debate in the studio, et cetera, et cetera. I would have thought that Trump accepted immediately. I thought he would have negotiated better terms. What say you?

Well, one, the New York Times says that this has been behind the scenes through back channel.

So I'm not sure that some of this wasn't somewhat of what Trump wanted. But for the most part, Trump is so desperate to get him on stage and I guess have a redo of 2020 when maybe he came in too hot in the first one because we now know in retrospect he had COVID-19 and he came in hot and he was a little bit late and they were running late and you had a fever. But he doesn't make these excuses. Other people have said that was the story. And then maybe he thought he could do better than the other, and then the third one was canceled.

So I'm not, I don't even remember the third one.

So I am surprised. My biggest problem is CNN, not the network. That's fine. But Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, very talented, but they hate Trump. They will not take Trump live.

They have fact checkers every time he's on the air. Fact checkers.

So they don't believe anything he says.

Well, Joe Biden's pulling off 15 lies in 17 minutes. When Aaron Burnett, in Aaron Burnett's interview on that channel, they don't even run it. When he goes and reads the The stage instructions pause on the teleprompter that they don't even carry it. And now, the last time they carried Donald Trump on their channel, their news director got in so much trouble they fired him. And now they get to debate him?

Come on. And these two, Dana Bash and Jake Tapper, are you kidding me? Balance it out, Brian. Who do you think has more to gain here? Um I think Trump is looking at independence and undecided.

And he's trying to let them know. Yeah, I want you to remember 2016 to 2020. For the right reasons. And I think that he comes in much more laid-back because he's going to say. Here's my report card.

Go ahead. Grade it against his. And my hope is that he's got a strategy for this. And I actually think it's better, just like in a way this gag order is working for the president, because he's making everyone focus on the substance of the case, not what he says after. And just if you're going to do this thing where you cut the mics, I think it hurts the debate, because the best part of debate is the unscripted part, where the narrator, the moderator, backs up, and the guys or the women go at it.

That's the best. If they could be polite about it, like Kennedy and Nixon, if you watch those debates, extremely civil, very informative. They would sit there with their legs crossed. But the best part of any debate is the interaction. Are they really wiping that out?

Because that means speech, speech, speech, speech. I've done that before. But when you see Joe Biden talk, he can't get through that's why his speeches are fifteen minutes. He can't get through them without eating his words or getting lost. And I think by Trump sitting back, It might actually help them.

Also, if you can't interrupt, you go, okay, let me get that pen out. That made no sense. That made no sense. That made no sense. And then you go at them point by point.

So, in a way, I think Trump might see that and go, yeah, I'll sign off on that. I saw an interesting development in the Trump trial, not actually at the trial, but about the Trump trial yesterday. Michael Cohen's former legal advisor, Robert Costello, spoke before a House committee. Costello said Cohen told him he didn't have anything on Trump. Watch this.

Every time I brought it up, Every time he answered, I swear to God, God, excuse me, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump. I said, Michael, whatever you have. has to be truthful. If you think you can go in there and tell these people lies, you're crazy. It's gonna backfire on you.

You can't do that. Shouldn't that testimony be a part of the case? I mean the prosecution's case is falling apart with evidence like that. Stewart. Why is he not on the defense witness list?

Why is he not there? I mean, he might be. And I'm trying to get an answer why Robert Costello hasn't. He's been saying this for a while, but then yesterday was in response to one of the questions from Matt Gates, I think, yesterday. And then I watched him with Bill Hemmer in between my breaks here, your second favorite channel on Fox News.

And I'm watching him, and he's even more insightful today.

So now if I'm to read our notes that we're getting from our reporters, today they're going through Michael Cohen all the times he lied. And how about this, Michael?

Now in 2024, you're still lying. Robert Costello, boom. How could that now play a role? And can you roll tape in? That should be a case closer.

Brian, we're out of time. It was great stuff today. Thanks for being with us. Go get him to it. Thank you.

1-866-408-7669. And that's me. I just don't know. I don't know why he's testifying to me. I would not assume that the jury sees what we see.

I have no idea who these people are. I just know the city that they're in. You know, the city that they're in. I think that Lee Zeldon. Gotten to double figures, and he almost won because of the rest of the state so different from New York City.

And if you look at the left wing city council to the left of the mayor, Mayor Adams, stops him from doing any type of bail reform, actually doesn't see crime as a problem, sees congestion pricing as a good thing. doesn't see a problem with shutting down schools or taking on unions. That's the mentality. None of those people vote for Donald Trump, and that's the pool they're picking from.

So that's why I would say if there are some fair minded people that really need to be hit over the head with the facts, The fact that there's a Robert Costello here who is the attorney to Michael Cohen, who's allowed to, legally, free to speak openly, allowed to talk about what Michael Cohen was thinking about, and you even have to think about whether to put him on.

Now, people have told me: listen, when you're a lawyer, you don't know what else Robert Costello is going to say, you don't know anything about him.

Well, why don't you talk to him? Why don't you just ask him? Just listen, what do you have against Donald Trump? What have you ever done? Who do you vote for?

How did you get Michael Cohen as a client? Why would you take Michael Cohen as a client? And when it becomes out, which people have said, I know people that know him who have been texting me, say he's a great guy. He was a prosecutor. And when it comes out with a guy with this type of integrity, this type of strong will.

Evidently, during the grand jury testimony, he was just saying they tried to cut him off because he was saying some of these things. And he went back at the attorney and he said, I'm going to finish. Don't interrupt me again. That's the type of attitude you have to have. And by the way, Juan Mersan, the judge, do you know that Dan Goldman was rehearsing with Michael Cohen to get him ready for this?

Do you know who's helping out Dan Goldman in his reelection? The judge's daughter. Don't tell me he's not conflicted. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmead.

Alright, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show, where right now it looks like. Michael Cohen is pointing at their pointing out all his contradictions in his testimony and the testimony and some of the statements that date back just a short time ago. We're not even talking about 2016, 2017, when he evidently saw the light. And of course, in the backdrop is the story of Bob Costello, his former advisor, who said he confessed to him privately when he's advising him that Donald Trump did nothing wrong, do nothing about these payouts, but he was desperate to do anything to stay out of jail.

So that's going to be something we're going to be talking about and following. Also, the developing news on these two debates have been agreed upon. Will there be more? And the ongoing situation with these campus riots, we have a situation now on UC Irvine where the president has already collapsed to the protesters and will deal them in to any investment strategies the UC Irvine had. But he said it without.

talking to the Board, so they fired him, or suspended him rather. Jonathan Turley at the bottom of the hour. With me right now is Congressman Tony Gonzalez. The Congressman is in a tough primary fight now, Homeland Security Appropriations Committee, and you know he's all over the border situation. Congressman, welcome back.

Hey Brian, thanks for having me back on. No problem. First off. When we see about these, it's not a big problem in Texas, you had it in Austin. What are your thoughts about where these kids are coming from?

At the University of Pennsylvania on Capitol Hill yesterday, talking about the anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism on campus. And now we find out a China firm is financing a lot of it on Fox News Digital. Where do you guys what role can you guys play? We can play a big role. I sit on the appropriations committee, and we can't allow these universities to just get these blank checks and allow their kids and allow our kids to to be embedded with this.

Craziness. I mean, these are things that, you know, people would privately, the anti-Semitism, they privately say ugly, nasty things.

Now they're so emboldened that they're coming out on these campuses and we're paying tax dollars for that. No, that has to go away. We absolutely can do this with the home, with the appropriations committee in the house. And that's what we're looking to do: is like, here's the deal: you're not gonna get any taxpayer dollars to teach our kids. poison and spin it on us.

That I hear that, by the way, you got a primary coming up on May 28th, and a lot of people are stunned, including the Speaker of the House who I spoke to two days ago, that Matt Gates is supporting your opponent, all because you joined Senator Cornyn, perhaps, on some type of gun legislation after the Uvalde shooting. Yeah, you know, look, my district is brutal. It's tough. It's a tough district, Brian. It's larger than thirty states, twenty nine counties.

It is nearly half of the overall southern border, and it's so large, I basically represent four different types of people that think four different ways. And after the Uvalde shooting is the worst school shooting in Texas history, I had everybody call me and say, Here's the deal, Tony. You have to do something, but don't take our guns away. And that's exactly what I did. We raised Um, we raised the background checks for minors, but we did not mess with the age, the age limit of someone uh could purchase a firearm.

I fought against that, I fought against any banning of any assault weapons, fought against any universal background checks. But there's so many people that just want to do nothing, and that's not an option. We can protect our kids and we can protect our Constitution as far as other members coming and meddling. It's a little unfortunate, you know, but that's part of it. Like, you better have thick skin if you're in politics, and I have the thickest skin.

I'm just trying to deliver for my people, for my district, for Texas, for America, and I won't stop doing that. Absolutely. Here's what the speaker told me about your situation: Congressman Gonzalez in Texas being primary, Congressman Gates in Florida is being primaried. These are contentious seats. Does that help or hurt your cause?

Is that good for the party? It's terrible for the party. It hurts the cause. And I've told all of our team over and over and over: guys, you know, let's not have the circular firing squad here. What we need to demonstrate is unity in the party and competence to govern.

And we do that well when we stick together. And I don't think it's productive for anybody to be challenging their sitting colleagues and incumbents and friends. I hope we can get beyond that. I think soon the primary season will be over and we'll be able to focus on what the real battle is, and that's the general elections. To grow this majority, I think we're going to be able to do that.

And he made it pretty clear. Has he been in your corner? Oh, yeah, Mike. Speaker Johnson has done an incredible job with a tough hand that has been dealt. I hosted him in San Antonio.

It's the second time, actually, I've hosted him in Texas this year. We took a trip to the border, had over 60 members of Congress show up on the border there and really highlighted the situation. The biggest thing that kind of surprised me with some people that are endorsing my opponent is my opponent, Brandon Herrera, is on the record saying President Trump cannot win the election. I mean, that's mind-boggling to me. To me, that is the most disqualifying thing you can possibly say.

You're like, what? I mean, here, President Trump is under attack. We're seeing this witch hunt unfold before our very eyes. And this guy's going to attack him and say he messed up some things when he was in off. I mean, just there's no room for that.

Right now, it's the good guys versus the bad guys, and these socialists. They're playing for keeps. I mean, they're trying to change our real life. I'm a Republican. I'm a Texan.

I love to fight. I love dust-ups. You know, no problem. But when I hear something like that, President Trump can't win the election, you've disqualified yourself. Absolutely.

Look, you don't have to, if you don't agree with everything the president does, it's called welcome to the world. I mean, no one agrees with everybody anytime, from your spouse to your kids to your friends.

So you're on the border and you're trying to get things done, and the border is a primary focus of the president of the United States, and that'll be a welcome situation. I couldn't believe these numbers. Bill Melusian asked for it on Halloween. He got it yesterday, and they asked for a breakdown of the number of gotaways. And do you know, for the most part, from 2010, it's been around 155,000, 2011, 86,000.

During the Trump years, 100,000, 106,000, 104, all right? 128,000. When he leaves, it goes one hundred thirty six thousand, three hundred eighty thousand, six hundred six thousand, and last year, six hundred seventy thousand gotaways. Those are people we have no idea who they are. How much danger do you think the American people are in?

We are in a critical situation here. And I spoke with Bill yesterday after he kind of pushed those numbers out. And this is the scary part. That is just the tip of the iceberg. That is just what we know of.

I mean, in order to be a Godaway, you have to be on a camera or there has to be some sort of person tracking you. We should all be worried about the gotaways, but we need to be worried about the gota-gataways, you know, the people that aren't even making those numbers. I'll give you an example where this border crisis is getting worse. I was just out in West Texas. No one's really talking about this, Brian, but this is the level of detail that I understand in my district and certainly on the border.

Out in West Texas, in the Permian Basin by Midland and Odessa, nearly half of the nation's oil production comes out of there.

Well, guess what's happening? Cuban nationals that are here illegally are stealing oil. I mean, I cannot make it up. It is such a problem that I had a roundtable with federal, state, and local law enforcement on creating a task force, an oil theft task force. I mean, this is a huge issue that impacts all Americans.

Wherever you are, they start stealing oil, and then what happens is the price of oil goes up, then the price of gasoline goes up. Americans are already getting crushed enough. How do you steal oil? I asked the same question, right? And then, like, you know, how do you steal it?

And then how the hell the heck do you sell oil? Hey, you know, I envision, you know, this guy in the back alley, like, hey, you want to buy a barrel of oil? But this is how it happens. It actually looks a lot like a legal transaction, where you have a truck that backs up into like these, the oil is stored in these storage tanks, all these different companies. And this truck will back up into the storage tank, will connect a hose and siphon the oil into there, fill up that storage tank, and away he goes.

That is exactly what a legal transaction looks like.

So, and it's happening during the day.

So, it's tough to, it's not these bandits that are in the middle of the night stealing things. They're making legal transactions look illegally. This is where, once again, you need these task forces that are stopping some of these 18-wheelers and being able to go, hey, where's your documentation? Who are you? And I'll give you another example.

I did it right along with one of these sheriffs. We pulled over an 18-wheeler. In that 18-wheeler, were two people from Cuba. I mean, there were Cuban nationals here illegally.

So, I mean, this is a rising issue. No one's talking about it, but this thing is more the border crisis is morphing and getting worse. Congressman Gonzalez is with us now. He's in the 23rd District of Texas. He's being primaried.

He got 45% of the vote in the primary compared to Herrera's, 25%. But you're the type of lawmaker people need because you care about the country first more than your party. If your party's wrong, you speak up about it. And Matt Gates ousting Kevin McCarthy was idiocy, and you speak up about it. And then in turn, he's trying to primary.

You, which shows how selfish in my mind that he is, and he's getting some of his own medicine.

So, Congressman, do you know that the President of the United States says he can't do anything? His hands are ties when it comes to the border.

Well, out of nowhere, he's decided to offer an executive order making official, I assume shortly, that he's going to shut down the border if over if there at any point there are 4,000 illegals coming in.

So, he is going to have an automatic stop-down if that happens. That was in some of the legislation, bipartisan legislation was put forward. Could you talk about what the reality is and what you can do with executive orders of the border? Yeah, first off, he's wrong. That number should always be zero.

And this is where I appreciate a lot of my Senate colleagues, but that the number should always be zero. We should have no illegal immigration. We should not negotiate on that part at all. And you can do that. You got to hold Mexico accountable and have some of these things.

I mean, once again, the Trump policies that worked, the secret sauce is already there. And other administrations have done the same thing. What I'm seeing, this is what I suspect is going to happen, Brian. And I want all 29 counties, because I work my guts out to understand the border crisis and deliver a real result. Right now, there's over 7,000 people coming over illegally.

Astronomical number. We'll be on pace for 2.5 million this year. But that number is going to increase. No matter what Biden does, that number is going to increase. And this is why.

And once again, no one really is talking about this. Mexico has an election the first week of June. Their presidency, nine of their governorships, all of their Congress is having this election.

So in many cases, Mexico is keeping the numbers down. But these cartels are like businesses, and they're basically. Going, here's the deal. We're going to sacrifice in Q1 and Q2, so that way we get our politician over the finish line, and then we're going to make up for these losses in Q3 and Q4.

So, I suspect after these Mexican elections happen in June, whether President Biden wants it or not, Mexico is going to turn the volume way up. And this is going to be a problem. And this is going to highlight the contrast between President Trump, the policies under him, and the failed policies under Biden.

So, I suspect things are going to get worse. His executive order, he should have done, he should have, there's a whole lot more he should have done, but on day one, you know, they stripped away executive orders. They never added anything. Right.

They did dozens. By the way, yesterday there was a vote in the House to kick out any illegal immigrant here who beats up a police officer. 148 Dems voted against it. The final vote was it passed 265 to 148. What person?

Would be okay with an illegal immigrant beating up a cop, let American it all. They said the minute they do that, they're out. Because what happened in New York, they let all these guys out. They cut deals with all of them, the ones that beat up the two cops. They're all free, and they all gave us the finger as they were leaving the courtroom.

It's indefensible, Brian. And to your point, I mean, we're not talking about the what-if. We are there. These criminals from Venezuela, these TDA, these Trand de Agua, transnational crime, they're in our communities. They're assaulting.

If they're going to assault a police officer, what the heck are they going to do to you and me or, you know, an old lady or anything else? I mean, they just have no respect for authority whatsoever, and they should immediately be expelled, immediately be deported. You know, I had a resolution on the floor the week before. I mean, this thing was as red meat as it got. I mean, it beaten the heck over the Biden administration for all the failures to include the murder of Lake and Riley.

What surprised me is not only did I get all Republicans to vote for it, I got 13 Democrats to vote for it. What does that tell you? That tells you there are Democrats that have given up on Joe Biden solving this border crisis, and they're not afraid to vote for it. This is how we win. You know, going back to kind of my primary and And some of the infighting.

Look, Republicans have to learn how to win. And part of the winning is: look, we can have debates and you can arm wrestle, but we have to beat these socialists. And we have to do that with policies and putting them on the record, make them own these policies. Congressman, as you know, Congressman Queyar, who I really like, when I went to the board three times, he was there two times. He didn't even know I was there, just wearing a members-only jacket and hopped on.

I could see how much he cares. But it looks like he's been indicted and three of his staffers have already cut deals. Do you think, judging by what they did to George Santos, do you think he should be kicked out? You know, I know Henry very well. And man, that's the more that unravels, it just cuts at you because he is a member that truly does care about things.

I think it's on the people of his district to determine if he needs to be kicked out or not. I will say this, though. I serve with a lot of people here in Congress that their number one interest is not America's number one interest. I firmly believe that. I mean, some of these crazy lefties that are over here supporting anti-Semitism and bailing out on Israel when Iran is literally launching attacks at them.

I mean, I serve with people that I go, you're not on our team. You're not on America's team. And that worries me. And you know what? No matter who you are, if there is any level of corruption, there is no place for that in government.

No place. This needs to be, we need to get back to it being servants. I served 20 years in the military. How do you get back to this is about America, making sure we're strong and prosperous and thriving for all Americans, period. Congressman, you should let people know that.

It's not bragging. A lot of people forget that you served two decades in the military and you're still serving now in an extremely tough area. There is no day off. Congressman Tony Gonzalez, best of luck in your primary and in the general. Appreciate you being with us.

Thank you, Brian. Early voting is on Monday, May 20th. Election Day is May 28th. Thanks again. All right.

And they hear us in your district: 1-866-408-7669. Jonathan Turley at the bottom of the hour. More on this court case as it goes. Don't move. Newsmakers and newsbreakers.

Hear it first on the Brian Kill Meet Show. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. I myself would never recommend going on a stage with Donald Trump, but the President has decided that's what he wants to do. I think format he is suggesting.

Is a good one. I think you all should have separate town hall meetings with them, let them. challenge them with questions about the future. And uh Let the public make its decision. Right.

Thank you for that, Nancy Pelosi. By the way, you have to check out, it's on my Twitter feed, but I'm sure you've seen it or heard about it. She was taken apart at Oxford. She went down there for a debate. She thought she's going to be lauded as some queen.

But the problem is, if you listen to Nancy Pelosi ever being challenged, she falls apart. She gets mad, gets angry. Katie Tur found that out.

Now they're calling for Katie Tur to be fired because all she said to the speaker was: when you talk about job loss, well, it was because of the pandemic. And she snapped, tried to bite her head off. At Oxford, she made a series of statements, and then some, we'll be maybe a 28-year-old, got up and took her apart, understood the American system well, understood the law fair President Trump is going through, and the hypocrisy that Nancy Pelosi described, because they said, back in 2016, you were the one saying the election was phony and fixed and hijacked. And she said from the galley, it was. And he laughed and he goes, That's what I'm talking about.

She does not see it. I mean, this clown ripped up a State of the Union address, and they say Trump is cheap in the office. And again. I would never debate him. He's leading your God by a lot, if I could quote him.

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmeade. One thing that you're not reporting yet is that besides making that statement, I swear to God, I don't have anything on Donald Trump. He also said, more times than that answer. Guys, I want you to understand I will do whatever the F I have to do.

I will never spend a day in jail. And then he'd slam his hand on the conference room table. And what does that mean to you? That means this guy is saying I will lie, cheat, steal, do whatever I have to do. I'm not going to jail.

Well, he did go to jail. And who do you think he blames for that? And why do you think he names his most recent book, Revenge?

That is Bob Costello, who was the adviser to Michael Cohen, and brought a perspective of this that we all thought, but he brought us inside his thought process. Jonathan Turley joins us now. He's the best. Jonathan, your reaction to Bob Costello's impact, what he did in front of Congress yesterday and what he did with Bill Hemert this morning.

Well, he's obviously contradicting his former client almost across the board, saying that Cohen not only lied just yesterday, but lied consistently yesterday.

Now today, Cohn is being asked about Costello's statements. And he is once again Rather implausibly, saying that he doesn't recall.

So he was asked on the stand: Do you recall telling Costello that you have nothing on Donald Trump? And he just says, I don't recall.

Now, most of us hear that, and it seems most certainly a lie. You know, it just is unbelievable. You remember things seven, eight years ago with great detail, but you don't remember at the greatest peril in your life when you're facing an indictment and you're speaking to an attorney who's talking about a plea agreement that you don't remember repeatedly saying that you have nothing on Donald Trump. And the question is whether the jury is getting this, and I hope that they are. That's just so ridiculous.

That wasn't something from twenty sixteen. That was a conversation in twenty eighteen. And this has also been something that Costello has previously publicly acknowledged.

So, it's not like it's being sprung on Cohen.

So, this is obviously a rehearsed and evasive testimony, but in the view of some of us, he's continuing his pattern of just not telling the truth. What else did they try to do today? They're trying to get Michael Cohen to say, Were you seeking a pardon? And he said, No, and that he goes, But you said you were, but now we find out that you were trying to find out about it. And he goes, Well, I was just trying to see what a pardon would be.

I was trying to get out of this hell. And then, when asked, Were you seeking a pardon? Not at the time when I said that. I mean, do people, I know what he, I know this guy's skirting the issue, he's lied again. But Do you think does it land on the jury?

Yeah, that's the question. You know, the question is: can the jury see beyond its hatred for Donald Trump? And I always remain somewhat hopeful with both judges and certainly with jurors. I many of them really do want to take this. seriously and ethically.

And the other thing is, you know, I just said recently I New Yorkers are a curious People. I say that as a Chicagoan, and I'm not just talking about folding a pizza, which, by the way, is ridiculous. Uh but New Yorkers are curious in that they hate Donald Trump, but they hate even more being played. being played as chumps. And so the question is at some point Is the prosecution going to insult this jury's intelligence so much?

that they can forget who the defendant is for just one second. And take it personally, you know, to say, you know what? You're wasting my time. You're trying to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge and it's not yours.

So the way I understand it, Dan Goldman was the one who was coaching, one of the many people coaching Michael Cohen how to answer these questions.

So the congressman from New York who made his name trying to play a role in the impeachment of Donald Trump in Ukraine. Dan Goldman, I believe, is also the recipient of the judge's daughter's as a consultant. I mean, this that is that unbelievable? Juan Rassan's daughter, who's a consultant for Dan Goldman, Goldman is coaching Cohen. How could people not see a conflict of interest there?

No, and this is part of uh the process of where you look at this and you think people are not even trying. To hide the political influence in this trial. That's what's shocking to me. Is that if Bragg was going to change his position after saying he didn't want to prosecute this case? If he was going to change his position and saying that he would never call Michael Cohen on the stand for anything.

At least you would think that he would say Hell no. I'm not going to pick my lead counsel as the third in command from the Department of Justice in the Biden administration and somebody who got paid by the Democratic National Agency. Right.

And you would think that he would take real efforts to tell people like Cohen that you need to really be like Caesar's wife, or in your case, maybe Caesar's mistress. Just try to look as as clean as possible in your preparations because they can ask you about it. But they don't what's wor what's really chilling is they don't care. That is, they believe that this jury will not care about the evidence, will not care about all of these conflicts, that they will not get one inch beyond the name of the defendant sitting behind the table. Yeah, I guess so.

A couple of things. Why would you not call Bob Costello if you're a defense? You know, that's a tougher question. You know, I've been a criminal defense attorney for 30 years, and I tend to be risk averse. I when I if I'm winning a case, I tend to fold my hand because it can only get worse.

You don't want to take risks. with a winning hand. The problem here is I I think it's very clear that the judge, unless he gives a directed verdict, If he lets this go to a guilty verdict, it'll be dead on arrival. There are so many layers of reversible error. And the fact that no crime was made out in this case, I think it will be reversed, but that will take time.

It'll be after the election.

So the problem here is that you can't ignore this is during the election period.

So, if you want to kill this case in the courtroom, you're more tempted to call Costello. But I have to say, as persuasive as Costello is, There's risks there. I mean, right now, their case, in my view, is falling apart. And you probably have a hung jury. When you introduce someone like Costello, you give the prosecutors another opportunity.

They can attack Costello. And you never quite know whether they're going to land some of those.

So once again, I tend to be risk averse. I think I probably would not.

Well I mean there's there's nothing sw uh y there's a If Todd Blanche wants to pull Costello aside today and say, listen, I got a few questions for you. I want to find out what kind of witness you're going to be, is there a problem with that? No, you can talk to witnesses. The the prob the thing is that Blanche has already gotten some of Costello's stuff in.

So he's already got it before the jury.

Now Costello will make a good jur witness in many respects. He's a major lawyer. He was the deputy chief of the criminal division at Southern District. and he's not going to fold on stand. But what they can then get in is all of these communications with Giuliani and all of these things about back channels.

It's not clear that the defense wants to add that baggage. Oh, understood. I'm going to just real quick. I know we're going to talk in between, but the day of this verdict, when they tell Donald Trump to stand up and the jury has come back with their decision. If they find that Trump is guilty.

Do they put him in cuffs, take him back, take his picture, print him, and hold him in prison? It's up to the judge. As usually, they will give some leeway I so it is not necessary. And given his status as a former President, one would hope that the judge would take it under advisement. Remember, once they find him guilty, it doesn't mean that they're going to hand down a sentence.

The judge has to make that decision.

So we don't know if he walks out of the courtroom or not? I think he'll walk out of the courtroom. Will they will they have the thing where they put him in cuffs and could put him through the ringer? Like I just said? I would hope not.

And once again, it comes down to the judge. And by the way, the President goes after the judge every day.

So that plays a role in it, right?

Well, I'm still hoping that Mershon will look at this circus And decide to bring it to an end. There is no crime made out here. It's not a closed question, in my view. I think most judges would direct a verdict and not let it go to the jury. And I'm hoping that Mershon will have a moment where he collects himself and says, no matter how much I don't like Trump, no matter how much this may play against me in the next election.

I can't pretend that a crime has been stated when it hasn't. I know, Jonathan. I hear you. I just worry because nothing has been. Traditional about this trial.

Lastly, how long do you do you think prosecution closes today? Yeah, the question is the redirect. The one thing I don't like about this schedule is I don't like the defense. shutting down today because the prosecution is trialed to a redirect. That means that they will come back Monday and Monday and redirect on on Cohen.

So the last thing the jury will hear after a long weekend will be the redirect. I don't like that at all. But then the defense has to decide if it's going to call an expert witness or not. I don't expect them to call anyone but an expert witness, but that could change depending on what happens on redirect.

So so the next week so in other words, if you're the defense, you'd run out the clock today. Frankly, I would have made sure that my cross went into Monday, which I think could be easily done. Are they done with Cohen? I think that they're they said yesterday that they think that they would be done today. And that sort of made me gulp because, as a criminal defense attorney, I would never want a three-day weekend and then allow the prosecution to come back on redirect because you can't, you won't necessarily be able to do anything after redirect unless they go outside the bounds of your cross-examination.

So the prosecutors have to stay within the navigational beacons of your cross-examination. But you just gave a massive scope on cross.

So they have a lot they could do. But so you're at the Crossb next week. I would I would make a real effort to make sure that I continued my cross examination into Monday, and then they would do their redirect on Monday. Then the defense would have to decide whether they want to call something like an expert witness. That would only take a few hours very likely, so it could potentially wrap up.

within a day or so of Monday. And then the judge has to look at directed verdict motions, and then they have to prepare and present closing arguments. Right.

So just to be clear, we don't know if the we do not know if defense has is done with Cohen yet, right? I might have missed it. He's back on the stand, so he's still going. With the defensive questioning. Yes.

Good, okay. But you're just saying if you you don't know that Todd Blanche is not going to go out the whole day, right? Only because he had previously said that he would wrap up today. And so that's what I'm basing it on.

Okay. But you so, in other words, if you let if the last thing they think of is Todd Blanche questioning Michael Cohen, you like that idea. And so they think about the they think about the The cross-examination More than The redirect from the prosecution. Mike got this? Yeah, I just don't want what I, as a criminal offense attorney, I would not want to give Monday entirely to the prosecution on redirect because they will have three days to let the stuff that they heard on Cohen settle.

Then the government's going to come back, and the redirect is always very good, very focused, and they will rehabilitate Cohen. That's the last thing they hear. It's better to have some of your cross-examinations lead over to Monday, hit him a couple more times right before the redirect comes, just to remind the jury what a liar this guy is.

Okay, Jonathan Turley, thanks so much. We don't know, this could end quick. You know, originally, some people were predicting before Memorial Day, but with Wednesday off. Do you predict there's that that's even possible? It's possible, but there's so many so many variables here, including that redirect, I still can't believe that any judge would let this go to the jury.

Well, just quickly, Senator Blumenthal has just said it is not appropriate for a Republican congressman to be speaking at a criminal trial in defense of the President. Is there something inappropriate about this? No, there's nothing inappropriate. It's funny he would say that and not object to a Democratic congressman prepping a witness for a trial.

So it's a little odd for obviously in an election that's based on the weaponization of the criminal justice system, having Republican members amplify those points is part of the election. It's not part of the election to prep a witness the way that Goldman supposedly did. Right now, yeah, Michael Waltz is speaking. They're all out there because they feel the President's got a gag order. He can't do it.

So nothing's stopping these Republicans from doing it. This is a remarkable scene, even in all your years of experience. You've got to admit, every day is unique. Jonathan, thanks so much. Yeah, good to talk to you.

All right, Jonathan Turley, giving us a few minutes. When we come back, we'll wrap up the hour. Just keep in mind, too, I'll be on stage coming up at the end of June, June 28th, and then July 29th. And I hope to see everybody in person. Indianapolis in June, and then in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania in July.

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Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. When it comes to any trial, the first step, of course, and we've seen this play out endless times, finding an impartial jury. Defense attorneys have proposed asking prospective jurors if they have opinions about people from New Jersey. And do they think that because they are from New Jersey, that they're more likely to break the law?

You motherfucking. SHAAAAAAA You bury one union leader at your football stadium. Whilst running a human organ trafficking ring through some Secaucus rabbis. And suddenly your whole state is a suspect. You believe this tone?

Huh? Doan, you believe this? Anti-New Jersey discrimination, that's what it is.

So obviously this is shaping up to be one of the more cartoonishly blatant corruption cases in some time. Jersey guy with gold bars stuffed in his jacket. and a nice freezer of some halal meats.

So and that's Jon Stewart having some fun with Menendez. He's trying to be a little balanced there. And he's saying that Menendez is just ridiculous. This is the second major scandal he's caught up in. And when he's questioned on it, his defense is, it's my wife's fault.

And it says his wife, it was kept in a safe. It was his wife's closet. But there was him Googling basically how much is gold bars. How do you sell gold bars in it? By what dimensions do you do it?

He put that on his Google search engine.

So he was doing that. Was he doing that for his wife as a favor? She's up next.

Now, look, I looked at her background. She seems like a despicable human being. Hit somebody, killed somebody, and was able to get away for that. And then wheeling and dealing in her life and was basically broke when she met Senator Menendez. The only reason I say that is because, you know, he's got to deal with his own stuff.

But I'd rather him not sell national security interests in exchange for money, like to Egypt, which Senator Menendez had a lot to do with the Middle East, did some good things like vote against. that the Iran nuclear deal, I got it. But he was so condemning, by the way. He was so condemning of Donald Trump, too, and so damning and so aggressive. He deserves everything that's coming to him.

So I think that's important. But, Senator Mernende, keep your eye on that trial. Also, then you factor in the fact that they just said his wife has breast cancer.

So she now has breast cancer. She stole from him, is responsible for the fact that they have these gold bars and these secret deals for her car. and everything. It's easy to get caught up. It ain't caught up in a Trump trial, but don't forget about a sitting senator.

Right now, Republican congressmen like Eli Crane are speaking in support of former President Donald Trump. Don't forget One Nations coming up before you know it. It's going to be Saturday night at 9 o'clock. Great guests, including John Lovitts and so much more. And, of course,.

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