Proven liar Michael Cohen testifies; Trump polling higher in 6 swing states...

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Wow, I come to you from Washington, D.C. Hi, everyone. I'm Brian Kilmead.

This is the Brian Kilmead Show. Lucas Tomlinson will be here at the bottom of the hour. He covers the Pentagon, everything else, served in the military. Great perspective on what's happening. Coming in on his day off because I'm in the studio, and I guess he doesn't want me touching his stuff.

And this is the only way you can make sure I don't go through his belongings. Same thing with Griff Jenkins, who's wearing a tie on radio. I love that. I love people that dress up for this great moment in your career. You know, I need that tie because I've been looking at your tie all morning long, doing a great job hosting.

And by the way, you look like a senator or congressman because you have the capital behind you the whole time. You should have it put in your contract if you have the capital behind you, even when you're in New York. But literally, people can't see this on radio, but I wear this. These Kohan shoes because of Brian Kilman. Really?

I told you because my wife was watching one day anywhere and she's like, you should get a pair of shoes like Brian. I talked to you when I was up there. I never believed you. I just thought you were making smoke. And then in New York, when I go up there to fill in, I keep the brown version up there.

And I'm just looking at that tie. And this tie is like old mist color, so I'm an old mist guy.

So I like, I like the old mist. That's good. I like blue on blue. It's a strong, strong pairing. Yes.

I may be stealing that. I will say this. Fashion on radio has never felt more appropriate. I mean, people listening at home will go, wait a second, why are they talking about what they're wearing? Two grown men.

The old saying, you have a face for radio, that applies to me. I saw it on radio. I never intended to get on. And now you look great. Let's go to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. What do they achieve by walking out? I mean, I think people have a right to protest, but you should go get a permit and you give them a place to protest. They don't have a prototype.

a right to block traffic, they don't have a right to ruin other things. Absolutely, John Lovitz. You're not lying. That is true. Anti-Israeli protests sparking backlash in the polls and with the people.

And next, perhaps, at the ballot box, a lack of leadership from the White House is hurting Dems and the country. And Jerry Seinfeld, I'll explain. Number two. Trump's warhead. than he's ever been.

It's going the wrong way. We gotta like try to think of something. different because what we're doing is really, really not working. You would think that James Carville will get closer to the microphone at some point. 2024.

Biden down to the polls, down with key groups, and now he dips into the celebrity well once again.

Meanwhile, Jen Saki fighting his fight in the media and fails spectacularly. She will now be making changes in her brand new autobiography. Number one. I've been doing this 60 years and I can't find the crime here. What I can find is a crime committed today in the courtroom by Michael Cohn.

He looked the jury in the eye and he lied. He made up this whole story about why he did it for a pecker. Here we go. Alan Dershowitz weighs in. Trump on trial.

Day two of the Michael Cohen testimony. As cross-examination begins, it's Cohen's words versus reality. What did the jury hear, and will they believe him? And where is Alan Weisenberg, the CFO? Griff Jenkins, you are officially here in New York.

He's kind of obsessed with this trial. I think the country's obsessed with this trial. I don't think it's done anything to hurt him in the polls right now. But how do you think the first day of Michael Cohen is being read from the outside? Look, I think that the country.

By and large, doesn't follow it as close as we do. We have to. That's our job. But I think what has captured the country's imagination with this trial, unlike the four separate trials, 91 counts, people are like, oh, yeah, okay, they're going after him. People are zeroing in on the fact, as Jonathan Turley constantly points out, we have yet to learn.

Nobody can tell you what it is that he's being charged with. And the crime is just not clear. And I think you had a great point. I was watching Fox and Friends this morning when you said, why is the prosecution so afraid to call Alan Weiselberg into that courtroom? They have a 74-year-old in Rikers Island.

They don't put suspected killers in Rikers Island. I mean, you basically knock off a liquor store. You don't go to prison, but you take a 74-year-old, I think he's 76 now. Alan Weisberg put him in there twice. And one of the things he did is put a car service to pick up his grandchild at the door.

A private school and put it on the business. I think also, when you think about the few things left in our lives that are apolitical, that rises above the partisan Storm that has really hit this country. And it ebbs and flows, and we've gone through different periods. And of course, you and I were around in the Clinton years. It was very, you know, when he was being prosecuted, and there's been some comparisons, very, very partisan era.

What happened to his numbers? But it's different, right? His numbers went up. Went up. It's a different era.

It's even more so. But what has constantly risen above the partisan politics of it is any injustice. We just don't. stand for injustice. And if it turns out, as so many people are pointing out, like Turley and others, that this is a case that's never been brought and that this New York, highly likely un pro Trump Jury acquits him, then you're going to get, I think, a referendum on the remaining trials that he's facing.

And I think it's going to affect the political numbers will rise for a while. They want to prove that he went ahead and did this numbers and wrote that check knowingly on his personal account, reimbursing Michael Cohen, who charged for legal services, and said he did it for his. For his political hopes, not for his personal hopes. And one of the things that Michael Cohen did, which just shows you, can imagine Griff having a lawyer who's taping your conversation, and this is before his office was raided, cut one. I need to open up a company.

for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David.

So that I'm going to do that right away. I've actually come up with Alan Weiselberg about how we're going to be able to do that how to set the whole thing up with funding that yes. Right, so he mentioned what are we going to pay, set the whole thing up. He does, he cuts that tape off there. You don't think you don't think Defense wants to hear the whole tape?

Of course they do. And the entire court wants to hear what bombshell Mr. Fixer said he was going to bring that we would learn that was new, and it's not there. I think, you know, the one thing that just continuously stands out over the last few days for me is that, and I don't know him with all due respect to him, but when Fareed Zakaria is telling you anybody other than a guy named Donald Trump would never have been charged with this, you got to put your finger on that and say, hmm, there's something there. Right.

I watch the show every week. He's an extremely bright guy. I love foreign affairs.

So do you. Especially you go to so many war zones. I want to flash forward over to Israel.

So the IDF, evidently today it's reporting the Washington Post getting a little frustrated because they wiped out Hamas in the north and they came back. And they're trying to find out, get if they can go ahead and go into Rafa, and they're on hold, pretty much.

So you understand what it's like. You would go embedded with the troops. Does that sound familiar to you? They want to go in and wipe out a town. They're waiting for the go-ahead.

They come back and then they the terrorists repopulate. When Over the years of times, particularly the Marines in Iraq, right? And you are looking for Saddam, as I was, or you're looking for Al-Qaeda, you run things called HI missions, harass and interdict. What's that mean? You ride around and wait for someone to take a shot at you.

Why? Because when they take a shot at you, particularly if they take a lot of shots at you, you know that's where they are.

So any lost time, any pressure relented on trying to root out Hamas. Because remember, despite the popular narrative in some of the media, they're not in there to kill Palestinians. They're there to root out Hamas and put an end to a future October 7th. And so I think the IDF is rightfully frustrated. And I think the message that's coming from the administration on now withholding weapons and the message from these misled, and I truly believe they're misled because I've spent time on these canvases.

Students that are showing support essentially for Hamas. I think that message also is a reality on the battlefield. You know, who also says you're misled? Hillary Clinton said they're misled. They don't even understand the Middle East.

She had a bunch of people walk out in her class. Right. I read an op-ed, I believe it was in the St. Louis Dispatch today, about how the Palestinians are marking 76 years of the struggle they've had since they were kicked out of Israel, which actually is historically inaccurate. But they were saying that what's happening in Gaza is the worst it's ever been in the 76-year history of the plight and struggle of the Palestinians.

And I was taken aback because that, it's one thing if a 20-year-old college kid doesn't fully grasp it. But when you've got people and grown adults like us that literally are discounting the realities of history, which is, in as much as it's unpopular to say, Palestine was never actually. A state. It's not historically accurate. And that's what Hillary Clinton.

I think we're at a moment that there's this moment here where people like Hillary Clinton and Free Zakaria are speaking out, saying, hang on, I don't want to sound like an idiot and I don't want the historical record to reflect that I was willing to just ignore reality. The other thing I would add, too, the UN just revised its numbers down. Two days ago. Do you know when it came to civilian casualties, they were off. Fifty percent.

So the number of casualties, thirty four thousand, is the same. But the number of civilian casualties is not 24,000 plus, it's 12,000 plus. Think about that for a second. The numbers that aren't challenged are the Hamas numbers. They'll come back and say, IDF, unverified report is this.

And they'll say the Hamas spokesperson says, or news agency. I'm reading that in the Washington Post and New York Times. I don't understand why they always have to choose the bad guys, but they always do. And now they say, no big announcement. We were off by twelve thousand casualties.

We hear a lot about the Deep state in Washington's influence. But I think the bigger Boogeyman, that even the deep state of Washington is the United Nations. And that's yet another example. The UNCR. We saw it in Ukraine when I was over there covering it.

The UN is the worst manipulator of political agendas and narratives. And yet, there doesn't seem to be any. Recourse. I mean, in the case of the deep state, you've got Donald Trump out there fighting, and he may get reelected in part because people are upset with the status quo in Washington. There's nobody to hold you in accountable, whether it was lying to us about COVID, what transpired in Ukraine, and the atrocities committed by Russian soldiers, and then now in Israel.

Uh Griff Jenkins. Hey, Allison, are we keeping Griff for another segment? We are, okay. Because Tom Cotton's going to join us a little bit later. But, Griff, if you'll stick around, I want to find out what you're covering today.

Also, breaking news out of Russia. They're starting to make huge progress. This is not good in Kharkiv, while they're still going after the Russian infrastructure there, and we're still there, still waiting on our arms to fully arrive. And we know the President of the United States is speaking right now. He's got some articles.

He often likes to quote Jonathan Turley here. He's got a lot of support there. Vivek Ramaswamy is behind him. Doug Bergam is behind him. We know the Speaker of the House is behind him.

Corey Mills is behind him. Yeah, Corey Mills is supposed to be all with us on Fox and Friends. I'm losing out to the president to sit in a dreary courtroom. You got Speaker Johnson, though. He's coming back for you.

Right. Two and a half hours passed when I thought he was going to come back. We're supposed to have a 12:30 interview. It's now 2:30. This really court case is really cutting into my social order.

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If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, we're back to President of the United States citing Janine Pirot and Greg Jarrett and Jonathan Turley. And a lot of people, even on CNN, talking about how this case has not been proven. And the president was going into detail prior to going into the icebox.

He calls it Griff Jenkins. He's cold in there. He's really cold. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it.

He's cold yet. Right. So, but he just goes, he has a stack of papers and he uses that time to tell his side of the story. But he's smart about it. He's not saying anything about Michael Cohen.

It must be killing him. It is, but it's also pretty smart messaging because here's a guy who is facing being imprisoned. for violating a gag order, but You can talk about what others are saying.

So if you can't speak. Freely, well, he can't say my buddy says Michael Cohen's a jerk. No, he's not going that. I mean, he's staying. Within the bounds of this, he's not crossing that line, which is a little bit uncharacteristic for Donald Trump, but it's very interesting because he's choosing a way to communicate his feelings through the words of others.

I don't have to tell you, Griff, what's going on in this political landscape right now? The Sienna New York Times poll, never friendly to Republicans. At any point, you always kind of think two or three points goes to the left. They come out, and he's winning in almost every single poll in the battleground states. He's winning Nevada by 13 points.

Big story today: people can't figure it out. Democrats can't figure it out, but they know it's real. It's a Hispanic vote, number one, number two, it's the economy. And also, he's trailing Wisconsin, but it's within striking distance. Georgia is pervasive, and Arizona, he's up.

And there's a sense that. The president is going to be making his economic speech today because he's got to somehow change the economic narrative that no one's listening to Bidenomics working. What do you think he's going to say today at 12:15? Because they're making it a big deal at the White House. He's going to say the economy has never been better.

Bidenomics is empowering American people. It doesn't matter what I think. American people think it's a crock and they're not feeling it. But let me tell you this: because you made a great point about this speech.

So, my story today that I'm about to go do for all of our great Fox affiliates out there is about the China tariffs that the White House is now announcing. They're going to start doing a hundred percent tariff, up from 25 percent, on cheap Chinese EVs, electrical vehicles.

Now, there's a whole climate green agenda tilt to it. But at the end of the day, if you needed any further proof that Joe Biden is terrified of what that CNN New York Times poll shows, look at This tariffs, because this is basically just taking everything Donald Trump did and then go further, go to the max. Why? I know Trump said 200%. Why?

Right. Because in Michigan and Pennsylvania, but particularly Michigan, he's losing. And that is the heart of those hurt by the Chinese competition. But here's the thing that's just in it. You could say, I have a green agenda and I'm going to be doing the mature thing for the future of the earth when nobody else is doing it.

And then what happens is when you make people buy electric cars, not only am I not buying them, the dealerships can't sell them. And then if you only give me electric cars in the dealership, the dealership goes, I can't sell these. Keep them. I want gas cards. Not in a carbon state like New York and D.C.

and, for example, in Chicago or California, you can't get a gas car. If you have like a 1975 Mustang and you're rebuilding it, you can't get an exhaust system in these carbon states. You've got to go out of state and buy it and bring it back. Look, I got a 2006 Toyota 4 Runner, beat up, taped on side mirror from a hurricane I was covering. It's covered in surf stickers.

I'm never getting rid of that truck. I'm holding on to it until the day I die if I can. And, you know, one of the things that I think is the reality of why voters in like Michigan feel it is that the F-150 Lightning plant was going to be revolutionary. I was there. Then they rolled it out, right?

It's great looking. Jim Farley. But here's the reality. They're now having to lay off thousands of workers for that plan because it costs to make the thing, and they're getting government money in to support the initiative to force it, but yet they can make it without fewer workers. And so they got to somehow make up for it.

I've never bought a new car. But I was looking for a used car, and I said, you know, I'd like to get a Jeep. I'd like to get just a newer Jeep. I have a 2015. And they said, well, if you want anything new 2023 and up, it's got to be hybrid.

What? A hybrid Jeep? Don't do it. Yeah, no kidding. Griff, great to see you.

Good luck on your show and serving the affiliates and your Saturday show, too. Thanks for the time. All right. Ty, Ty advice. I'm the only one to give fashion advice.

We've explained fashion advice on the radio. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Palestinian civilians caught in the middle of this war are in hell. The death and trauma they've endured are unimaginable.

Their pain and suffering are immense. No civilian should have to go through that. This is on the President's mind every day. Oh, that's good, Jake Sullivan. Guess why this whole conflict started?

Because of the people that govern Hamas. And they may be thugs, and they may have rigged the election, but the last election they won overwhelmingly. And reportedly, they're more even popular in the West Bank than they are in Gaza.

So if they're ruling and they attack and kill 2,200 Americans, do we worry that much about civilians? What's our objective there? What is Israel's objective to avoid civilian casualties? What's Hamas' objective to target civilian casualties? With me right now is Lucas Tomlson.

He does a lot of his reporting at the Pentagon, but he does everything. You see him at the White House often, too. Welcome back, Lucas. On your day off. Thank you, Brian.

Appreciate it. Listen, I understand. I don't want to see one child, especially you. You served in the military. Nobody likes to see that.

But you have to have a perspective on how this whole thing started. And you put every one of those children, the blood's on Hamas's hands. And speaking in perspective, Brian, you know, yesterday in Israel was Memorial Day. And let's not forget 1,200 Israelis were slaughtered on October 7th. Not much military.

Right. Hundreds taken hostage. Right. Including kids at a music festival. Just kids trying to enjoy a good time, much like Burning Man here in the United States.

And, you know, many Israelis say, yes, of course, every Palestinian, every civilian death is tragic, but the goal is to defeat Hamas. Benjamin Netanyahu has been clear about that. He wants to kill Hamas's leadership, including Yahya Sinwar. You know, a couple of things. First off, on this UN report, they admit the number of civilian deaths in Gaza is off.

By 550 percent. They thought it was 24,000, it's 12. A little bit of a difference. When your source is the Gazan Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas, those numbers should have always been questioned. And yeah, it's a very significant number.

So now we have a situation where the Prime Minister has spoken out and said we're going into Rafah anyway. We have a President who said, if you go into Rafah, I'm stopping even more of your weapon system, perhaps, because they are stopping these already. There's a move in the House to reinstate the delivery of those weapons. And Tom Cotton told us, Senator from Arkansas, he is going to look to do the same thing in the Senate.

So is this more symbolism? Evidently, the White House aggravated about this House movement.

Well, there's no question. Of course, Congress just passed $26 billion for Israel. They want to make sure all that money goes to weaponry. And when President Biden in that CNN interview says if you go into Rafa, it's an interesting little daylight there. John Kirby later at the White House said if you go in in full force, launch a full-scale invasion.

That's not what President Biden said. He said if you go into Rafah, he is withholding those weapons.

Well, how about the fact that John Kirby said that it is not true that they were going to be pulling back on those weapons, only to have the President sit down with CNN and said we are holding back on those weapons. That's right, and apparently intelligence as well, which also got Senator Cotton fired up on CBS over the years. What do you mean intelligence? The Washington Post was reporting that they were going to withhold intelligence. They have intelligence to give the Israelis that if they don't go full force into Rafah, they will share more intelligence.

Made many people wonder: well, if you have intelligence that you are not sharing on the locations of Yahya Sinwar, other Hamas leaders, why isn't that already been given to the Israelis?

So, Lucas, do you think there is a fundamental misunderstanding, even from this administration, about what gets the Middle Eastern nation's attention, like Iran, like could the Hezbollah terrorist force in Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as well as the Houthis? Do you think there is a misunderstanding?

Well, I think the Abraham Accords are still alive and well, and it is something that you don't hear much from the Biden administration. They don't even bring up those words. Them up. But listen, the Israelis want to finish off Hamas. They want to go in there and do it.

And right now, President Biden does appear to be a lot of election year politics right now. He's what many Republicans say he's trying to win Michigan in those 15 electoral votes. But the vast majority of this country is on the side of Israel. And you heard from the President's donors that say, We're with Israel on this, what's going on?

Well The President's upset that the IDF hasn't won quicker, but you could say that if he stopped holding them back and just let them do what they do, it would have been done quicker. That's what critics say is to say that President Biden is micromanaging this war. People say the same thing is going on in Ukraine as well, Brian. Here's what Jake Sullivan said about the Netanyahu-Biden relationship. There's no way it's going well.

Cut 36. I would describe the relationship as how it's been for the duration of the time that they've known each other. It is straightforward. It is direct. It is a relationship where the two of them can each share their views and perspectives.

And that is how it's going to continue as we go forward.

So, how's the relationship going with your wife?

Well, it's. Direct we are allowed to share our views. And our purpose. Did not hear the words warm, friendship. I heard direct, I heard this is how it's always been.

I mean, clearly, there's tension there.

So, what the President's doing is trying to say to the Arab world, I hear you, trying to sell their protesters, I hear you. And then, when he does this, they go, Well, that's not enough. And then Israel goes, Really? You're going to do that? Are our allies like Saudi Arabia going, do I want a mutual defense pact with a country that is going to suddenly decide that I'm too aggressive on the battlefield and hold back weapons?

And it was notable that Jake Sullivan said this defense pact would move forward with the Saudis if they recognized Israel.

So again, with the Abraham Accords with getting Saudi Arabia on board, remember the great interview with our own Brett Baer and MBS, with NBS saying he's getting closer every day to normalizing relations with the Israelis. That's one of the reasons some say that sparked this war in the Middle East.

So here, you know, what I'm struck is how many Democrats are not going along with this. 23 in the House. And Lucy was Senator Joe Manchin told me, cut 37. I was asked about that this morning, and I said it's just wrong for us to engage in there. We have allies who are with us ninety nine percent of the time.

Do we agree all the time? No, but none of us do, but they have been proven allies. Whether it be Israel now with Ukraine, whether it be our NATO allies in Europe, we're going to be there and defenders of freedom. And when they're barbarically attacked, we're going to defend them. But now, making decisions on what you can and what you can't use, you got to do the our way or no way at all, that's not who we are, and it's not what we should be doing.

I have said. I've been asked today about, and I've said openly that I think it's wrong. I think that we shouldn't be. We can sit down and work through these things. He also said that Cindy McCain told him personally that Hamas is stealing the aid and taking it and selling it back.

If the Palestinians can muster the money to get it, I'm sure you're shocked to hear that report, Brian. What's notable is that. I'm shocked we don't hear more about that report. Right. And what is notable is that a lot of people have been bringing up Ronald Reagan and how he suspended delivery of F-16 some cluster bombs to the Israelis in the early 80s.

However, what many people are pointing out, what's so different this time, is that Israel was. Slaughtered on October 7th, 1,200 killed. Over 100 hostages still remain inside Gaza, inside Hamas captivity, including five Americans. And by the way, it is notable that when the Israelis launched that strike on the nuclear reactor that was getting completed in Iraq against the Reagan administration's desires, as soon as it happened, Reagan's national security advisor, Richard Allen, got Reagan off Marine One, read about this and op-ed back in 2010. When he told Reagan what happened, you know what Reagan's reaction was, Brian?

Reagan said, Boys will be boys.

Something that says a little bit more about the relationship between Ronald Reagan and the Israelis. You wouldn't take it personal. I mean, you wouldn't make it personal because people look at you to take the lead. They understood. They did what they had to do.

Right. So now we're seeing these protests and everything ripple through. You just say politics playing a role in this. And you just think as a leader, Lucas, what do they teach you in the military? You know, you've got to make the decision that's the right decision.

I know it's in theory, but you make the right decision and you let the chips wave for their may. When Joe Biden goes to sleep at night, he's made no decision. He didn't make his decision to 100% back the IDF. And he didn't make the decision to 100% back Hamas or the Palestinians.

So he goes in between, and he's not pleasing anyone. He's losing the Democratic Jewish vote, number one. And number two, the people on the Palestinian population in Michigan is not being persuaded by holding back one arms shipment. And it's not as big as the Jewish vote in Michigan. Yes, it's a very vocal minority in this country.

We're seeing the protests on college campuses. We're seeing it at commencement exercises. I mean, Duke, Jerry Seinfeld, really. But the President is certainly under some pressure right now that if he's serious about winning, he cannot turn his back on the Jewish vote.

So when you look at what's happening with the Pentagon right now, they are doubling down on the DEI. I'm looking at the VET VA. They're doubling down on the DEI. Most private businesses are going the other direction. Look at the University of North Carolina today.

They are back. They're taking their money for the DEI diversity program and they're putting it to Campus safety. We're seeing Jamie Dime said the same thing w at JP Morgan. What's going on here in your Pentagon? My Pentagon.

The American people's Pentagon. Nobody would ever say the Pentagon is always on the vanguard of innovation, Brian. Perhaps these things just take some time. But certainly what's going on in college campuses, it is notable. When you look at the money spent on those DII programs, and also some of this is funneled probably into these protests.

No doubt about it. I want you to hear what John Lovitz said. And I know, Lucas, you didn't come in on your day off to listen to guys from SNL talk. Talk on. But when it comes to what's happening on these campuses, John Lovitz is somebody that spoke out too because he has a comedy shop.

And he says it's almost impossible with these taxes and health care. I got to give because when Obamacare rolled out, he spoke out. He goes, really? I got to give my whole staff health care? It will put me out of business.

And I was doing well. If I was struggling, I'd be out of business the next day if you forced me to do it.

So listen to what John Lovitz had to say yesterday. I think he was on with. He was on prime time with Jesse Waters, Cut 28. What do they achieve by walking out? They ruined their own graduation and twenty years from now They're going to look back and go say, Oh, I ruined my own graduation.

I mean, I don't I think people have a right to protest, but these you go get a permit and you give them a place to protest. They don't have a right to block traffic, they don't have a right to ruin other things. I don't think so, but they do have a right to get a permit and protest. That's America. You're not going to agree with everybody.

Or give them a spa give them a get a permit and give them a space to do it that's not interfering with everything else. And then if they want to try and get pressed for it, then, you know, try to get pressed. But that's what this is about. And you know, Israel is fighting terrorists the same as the United States voted. uh fought the terrorists that brought down You know, the World Trade Center on 9-11.

It's the same thing. It is the same thing and why does he get it? He's sitting out there in Hollywood. I mean, he's not as hot as he used to be, but he's a fine comic. But he was talking about the walked out on Jerry Seinfeld giving the commencement address at Duke over the weekend.

I mean, Seinfeld, right? The most benign comic ever because he's pro-Israel. He is. He also recently said that he thought he's sick of all the PC comedy. He says the far left is taking over.

That might have been part of the reason some of those folks walked out. But the gentleman said it's right. I mean, it is disrupting. These are not the memories you want. You certainly wouldn't see this happen at the Naval Academy, by the way, Brent.

I know. Absolutely. Is that where you went? Yes. They went to Annapolis.

So Michael Cohn, by the way, is testimony is continuing. He's the former Trump lawyer and fixer. He's back on the witness stand. He'll be cross-examined, and he could be wrapped up by tomorrow, which is pretty amazing. When we come back, Lucas and I want to talk about what's happening over in Russia, some significant things.

They replaced their defense minister. Also, with Ukraine, they have a visit from our Secretary of State, Anthony No H. Blinken, and we'll talk about what's coming up with Israel, the IDF, and the difficult terrain. I talked to three Navy SEALs on last Thursday, and he said. What what he's seen of Gaza worse than any terrain in Iraq.

Don't move. Giving you everything you need to know. You're with Brian Kilmead. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show.

Hey, we are back. A few more minutes with Lucas Tomilson. Lucas, bonus segment.

Now, yes, it is. And your son is in good hands? My son is in great hands. I brought young John Paul with me here to the studio. He's in makeup.

He's in makeup right now. Where every kid was. With a few snacks.

So, Lucas, right now the Russians are making real moves in Kharkiv. They're making some real advances. Yet, I guess the Ukrainians had a big blast on the. uh at Russian forces over an occupied uh Ukraine, one of their areas Where are we at right now? How concerned are the Ukrainians with Kharkiv?

They have to hold that town. Afterwards, there's open field running if they don't hold. They're very concerned, Brian. Of course, Kharkiv is Ukraine's second-largest city, home to over a million people. It is notable also, Brian, speaking of war strategy, that the Biden administration is against Ukraine launching drones into Russian territory, taking out some of those oil refineries.

Officials say they're worried about, of course, the price of gas going up, but you don't have to be a West Point scholar to know that cutting off supply lines is key to any warfare. It's been two years. They have not got F-15s yet. F-16s, right? Right.

Why is that? Are we supposed to be training them guys? Then they said, all right, we'll give the Americans F-15s. We'll give the Ukrainians. Keep hearing it all the time.

They're worried about escalation. I mean, in World War II, when the Allies were bombing oil refineries in Romania, it's actually the last country the United States declared war on, by the way, back in 1942, not to digress. You have to go after the supplies. And the United States. The West is not doing that.

What is behind the rotation of their Defense Secretary Shoyu out to another council of prestigious position? But clearly, there were some problems with him to begin with, and there might be some problems now.

Well, clearly, the war hasn't been going well. There's over 300,000 casualties on the Russian side, much like the Soviet experience in Afghanistan.

Soldiers are coming back in unmarked coffins, being buried in unmarked graves. Their family told they died doing their international duty. Shoyu has been moved over. What's notable is an economist is now running the defense ministry, which is a sign that Putin is going on even more of a wartime footing. You know, the Russians are spending 7, 8 percent of their gross domestic product on defense.

And yes, that's the size of Italy. It's not a major economy. But when you look at the United States, the Biden administration in the last four years, three, four years, Brian, is spending historically low when it comes to a percentage of GDP. And you told me they're cutting missile defense, too? $400,000.

In the FY25 budget. And when you look at $450 million in the FY25 defense budget, when you look at USS Kearney, who just returned back to Mayport, that destroyer alone shot down 45 drones and missiles from the Houthis off the coast of Yemen in the Red Sea. Those interceptors that were launched in the Eastern Med to shoot down some of the Israeli ballistic missiles, the SM-3, first time ever used in combat, by the way, $12 million a pop. Wow. Uh China and Russia are going to meet.

And it looks like the Russians want some more financing from China to finance this war, but China's feeling pressure from Europe, who they China desperately wants that market wide open and tariffs lessened, saying why are you supplying these guys?

So China's just, yeah, we have a no-wholespar relationship, but at one point the Chinese got to say, you hurt me elsewhere. Right. And it's notable that President Xi made his first post-COVID trip to Europe. He met with President Macron of France just a few days ago, no doubt warming things up before these tariffs come in, are announced today at the White House. But it's a problem.

Hungry's president. Right. He met with Hungary and Serbia. Right, and Serbia. If anybody wants to know about this new, you could call it axis of evil.

They're not even hiding it. I mean, the fact that Putin is going to China to meet President Xi, this axis of Iran, China, North Korea, Russia, it's bad news. Right. And so far, the Chinese have played a positive role in that they said to Russia, no tactical nukes. Right.

So they were drilling with tactical nukes when President Xi was meeting in France with Macron, and they said no. And they moved him over to Belarus. But if people want to know, Glucus, they say, Ukraine's Ukraine. All these people who think that Russia's going to attack a NATO nation, he's not going to attack a NATO nation. What do you say to them?

We have history that proves otherwise. When the Munich Agreement was signed in 1938, for everybody who wants to have a deal between Putin and Zelensky, in 1938, the Munich Agreement was supposed to be peace for our time. Remember, Prime Minister Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, said he brought peace back with him to London. How did that work out? By in a year, the Nazis had taken over Poland.

Even if the Russians would make advances in the battleground in Ukraine, that would force the United States to deploy more forces to Europe when many people think they're needed in the Pacific. Right. And if you look at these Baltic nations, there might not be an invasion there. They'll just put their people in charge. They run for office and gradually take the country landscape.

And Brian, why take the chance, right? Yeah. Lucas, great to see you. Do fantastic work. Thank you, Sam.

And you have a great son there.

So cute. This is the Brian Killmeat show on the road in Washington, D.C., while the land is on the trial and so much more. Don't move. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian In Kill Mead.

Big hour coming your way. I'm coming from Washington, D.C. I was covering the Law Enforcement Foundation Memorial yesterday where Candlelight Vigil represented and saluted 282 who lost their lives in the line of duty. Pretty amazing to see 30-plus thousand people. With front of me was the Capitol, behind me was the Washington Monument.

The weather could not have been more perfect. Slight breeze, seventy two degrees. Everybody was there, Health and Human Services Secretary May Orkis, the FBI Director, CIA Director, all on stage. Um There to salute the men and women in uniform, and more and more people are giving them respect. This hour we're going to be joined by Nellie Bowles, a reporter for the Free Press and author of a new book called Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History.

In other words, she was canceling people.

Now she's not. George P. Bush is here, serving as Commissioner of the Texas General Land Office. As you know, we're on in Dallas now. If you want to get a sense of what Texas is about and what gets them excited, KLAF fans, George P.

Bush will be here. And Senator Tom Cotton is standing by. Before we get to the Senator, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three: What do they achieve by walking out? I mean, I think people have a right to protest, but you should go get a permit and you give them a place to protest. They don't have a right to block traffic, they don't have a right to ruin other things. That is John Lovitz, believe it or not.

I agree with him. Anti-Israel protests is sparking backlash in the polls. And with the people next on the ballot box, perhaps a lack of leadership from the White House is hurting Dems in the country. I'll explain. Number two: Trump's warhead.

Than he's ever been. It's going the wrong way. We gotta like try to think of something. different because what we're doing is really really not working James Carville doing a podcast in his kitchen, refusing to get near the microphone. 2024.

Biden down at the polls, down with the key groups, and dips into his celebrity well for help.

Meanwhile, Jen Saki is fighting his fight in the media and fails spectacularly. We'll go over it. Number one. I've been doing this 60 years and I can't find the crime here. What I can find is a crime committed today in the courtroom by Michael Cohn.

He looked the jury in the eye and he lied. He made up this whole story about why he did it for a pecker. David Pecker, Trump on trial, day two of the Michael Cohen testimony. Cross-examination will begin shortly. It's Cohen's words versus reality.

What did the jury hear, and will they believe him? And where is Alan Weisenberg? Who is he? He's the CFO in Rikers Island for a second stint. And if you want to know about the imbalance of our justice system, Senator Tom Cotton, that's a perfect example.

You can knock off a liquor store and a bodega in the same day and get a ticket to reappear later on in the next six months. But if you're the CFO of the Trump organization who used a car service and charged it to the company, you go to Rikers Island. Yes, Brian, the contrast really is stark. Donald Trump is not facing a prosecution in New York. He is facing a persecution.

These charges obviously would not be brought against anyone other than President Trump because the Democratic Party, led by Joe Biden, thinks that this is their only chance. Stop him from being elected president, which is to say, to stop the American people from electing their preferred candidate. I think the polls you saw yesterday in the New York Times just reaffirm that the Democrats' only campaign strategy. Shockingly, is to try to compel their chief opposition, Donald Trump, to stay off the campaign trail and sit in the courtroom so he can't campaign and to gag him so he can't respond to false accusations against him by notorious convicted liars like Michael Cohen and finally, to imprison him.

So, you know, Mike, I don't have to tell you that Andrew Weissman did the real investigation under the Robert Mueller probe, but Mueller really wasn't up for much. And Andrew Weissman did all the work, and it failed because there was nothing there ultimately. You could just say these events happened, but there was no collusion with Russia. And Andrew Weissman, weighing in on day one of Michael Cohen on the stand, listen to how he saw it, cut two. He was doing very well.

I mean, he should be doing well. It's direct. But he was very controlled, and he also is not making any excuses. Like, he didn't say. It didn't come from him where he said, Yes, I lied, but it was for him.

Like he, there was no, it was like, I lied.

So, Michael Gowen admitted he lied and was composed. That's what Andrew Weissman picked up out of this. And what they're trying to say is that Michael Weissman's worth saying that Donald Trump knew exactly what was going on and affected the election. To take a step back, Senator, don't you have to think to yourself? How did President Trump win in 2016?

Was it the Russians?

Now it was Russia Collusion that did it. Then all of a sudden when Russia Collusion fell apart, they just said, well, after 2020, they said he actually won in 2016. Most people never gave him credit for winning that.

Now they're saying he only won because no one knew the Stormy Daniels story. Is that fundamentally what they're saying? No.

Well, the Democratic Party has never come to grips with their own failures. Donald Trump won in 2016 because Americans were fed up with the Obama-Biden economy and a world in chaos. And he's going to win in 2024 once again because they're fed up with Joe Biden's failures as president. And they remember all Donald Trump's Trump's successes that you had. good high paying jobs with rising wages, you had stable prices, a secure border and America was respecting the world.

And since Joe Biden took office, everything had gone to hell in a handbasket. There is no doubt about it. It is camp chaos at this moment, so the President is going to make an economic speech today.

Now, inflation went up last quarter 0.5 percent.

Now it is at 2.2 percent. That happened just as you walked out of the Bureau here in Washington, D.C. What is your reaction to that, Senator? I mean, now we have to worry about rates going up because it looks like we have lost control of the prices. Yes.

Unfortunately, Brian, Joe Biden and the goop troop that is running economic policy for this administration has once again failed to keep prices stable. Families can't even buy bacon and eggs for their kids to eat on the weekend for breakfast. rents are too high. People can't buy new homes even if they need to move out of a home because rates are too high. And it looks increasingly like rates are going to have to remain high to beat the persistent inflation that we've had since almost the moment Joe Biden took office.

Mm-hmm. Sandra, I want to get your perspective on the military because some people and I know you'll never entertain this, but some people said that you'd be Donald Trump's person for Secretary of Defense. I know you have a young family, and that's part of the reason you didn't run for President yourself. But that's something for you to make. But is it possible With the deficit at thirty-four trillion dollars, to also.

Massively increase our military industrial base and start sending the message to the rest of the world that we are ready for this challenge? Is it possible in this environment to do it? Because we have an administration who is growing the Pentagon budget below inflation and cut missile defense by over $400 million. Missile defense.

Well, not only is it possible, Brian, but it's absolutely necessary. Donald Trump had to do this. He was President to rebuild the military after the devastating Cuts of the Obama era, he'll have to do it again after the devastating cuts of the Biden era. Made even worse, as you point out, by inflation. Inflation doesn't just Affect your family's budget at the grocery store, it affects our military's budget when it's paying our troops and building housing for them and providing them food and clothing or having to pay more for basic weapons and munitions because of the input cost of things like steel and so forth.

But we really don't have a choice. If you look at the threat we face from around the world, not only is there a war in Europe, there's a war in the Middle East, but the biggest threat is still from communist China.

Now, fortunately, a lot of what we need to do to rebuild the defense base are not big ticket, billion-dollar, even trillion-dollar programs. It's getting back to the basic blocking and tackling of building the munitions, the ammunition, the shells, the rounds, the missiles, the rockets that this country needs to win in a shooting war, which is the best way to avoid a shooting war in the first place. That is really vital work. Fortunately, it's work that can be done with a reasonable investment in our defense industrial base. But the other thing is And as you know, with your Ivy League education, your Ivy League law degree, and your years in the military.

Uh It's possible to make money doing this, especially if NATO is in the buying phase. You don't have to tell Eastern Europe that Russia is a threat. And instead of them having their outdated 1980s Russian stuff, you just say there's got to be a program within 10 years, you buy our stuff. You know, we don't have to gouge them, but they could pay for it. Couldn't that be part of this?

Sure. Man, that is that is part of this.

So it's not just investing in our own defense industry here in America. It's providing them the certainty, the steady flow of business that they need. If you're the CEO of a defense company or you're one of the investors who holds the stock of those defense companies, you know that our Department of Defense, in part because of Democratic administrations, has a long history of wild up and down swings in its purchasing patterns. One simple step that I've worked with the Department of Defense and industry to take is long-term multi-year procurement contracts. We all know that if you shop at Costco or Sam's Club, you get better prices than if you go to Whole Foods or Trader Joe's because you're buying in bulk.

Our military needs to do more of that. Another way to give them that certainty is more purchases from friendly nations overseas. What they need more than anything before they're going to invest in, say, a new line or even a new factory is certainty that the business is going to be there for its products. three, five, ten years out. And whether that's selling it to countries like Finland and the Baltic countries or Saudi Arabia and Egypt and the Middle East or South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Australia and East Asia, they need the certainty of those long term contracts before they're going to lay out significant investments upfront.

Senator, I look forward to that job being offered to you if Donald Trump can pull off this victory. Senator, thanks so much. Great to see you today, and thanks for your time just now. Thank you, Brian. You got it.

Meanwhile, it's time to go out to George P. Bush. We'll do that right after the break. You know, he is the son of Jeb Bush and the successful commissioner of the Texas in Texas of the General Land Office. And we'll find out what his next step is and how to be successful in Texas.

It's Brian Kilmeade. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. Don't ever carry as a personal burden. Your capacity to do whatever you dream and aspire to do based on other people's limited.

Ability to see who can do what. This is part of what's involved. Is that We have to know that sometimes people will open the door for you and leave it open, sometimes they won't. And then you need to kick that fing door down. And she laughs hysterically after.

And I love the headlines. They said, She's a fired-up inspirational speech where she giggles after cursing. Ari Fleischer came on right after and said, Listen, I'm old school. I don't think you should be cursing on the stump. And as Vice President of the United States, a man whose grandfather was.

Vice President of the United States. Then he became President. Is my next guest, George P. Bush, former land manager over in Texas, now in the private sector. I'm sure will be back in politics at some point if he wants to torture himself and his family.

But we know he does a great job. George P. Bush, welcome back to the Brian Killmeat Show. Great to be back with you, buddy. Hey, did you ever open up and start cursing on the stump?

Did you ever hear your father or grandfather do the same?

Well, that's actually the first time that I've heard it. I've heard about the incident. And not only is it not vice presidential, it is definitely not presidential. And that's my hope is one day she does not become President, as a leader, I've been blessed to be around some great ones, and I know you have too. There are so many other ways to describe.

A situation or inspire confidence, whether it's among military troops or people on your staff. And that's certainly not one way of doing it. But look, she, along with the president, continued to To bless the party and give us multiple opportunities to win in November.

So let her add it. George, when you were the Commissioner of the Texas General Land Office, you had to deal with border issues nonstop. She was supposed to be in charge of the border. She was supposed to be the liaison, and she wanted to get to the root causes. She never did that, never let the wall not be built.

We ease the asylum rules. The world was the word was, come one, come on. We've never seen a collapse of the border. From your purview, how bad has it been? Historically.

Bad and arguably the worst that we've ever seen in the state of Texas. And, you know, like you said, I was in office for two years at the beginning of the Biden administration. And I remember when he was sworn in that. Among his hundreds of executive orders, many of which repealed the strong will of President Trump in securing our border. Whether that was opening the gates on our asylum laws or getting rid of our bilateral treaties with Central American countries that help to keep people in their country of origin when they're applying legally doing it the right way.

And what we've seen since then is an abrogation of a constitutional duty that every president has. And that is to secure our nation. And whether it's him or Majorca, they've. figured out ways to sidestep that responsibility to shift uh blame to to others namely among my fellow Republicans in the House, whenever we present great ideas to secure the border. But I can say that I'm proud to be a Texan.

I'm proud to be a friend of Governor Abbott and his leadership that he's Presented these last four years and stepping up, building a coalition of other willing states. To be a part of that effort to secure the border, whether that's deploying National Guard troops or even challenging the President's ideas in the federal court system to say, You know, the federal government has a clear role and responsibility as it relates to immigration, but if they don't do their job, then states like Texas. Should be authorized and empowered to take on that role and responsibility.

So that's where we are, and that's what's at stake in this race. the number one issue by far among Texans, and I suspect it's becoming the number one issue among the rest of America as well. George, we're on in Austin, we're on in Houston, now as of last week, we're on in Dallas. As a guy in Texas right now, what does it take to have a successful radio show in Texas and in Dallas?

Well, congratulations, first of all. I know a lot of folks in North Texas are going to love hearing from you every single day. I know you're going to have amazing guests from Texas that have been fighting so hard for the conservative movement. Over the many years. And so I'd say stick to what you're doing.

I mean, you've done so great around the country. Um you know, Texas is a very independent In some instances, we think we're our own country, and we were at anyway between 1836 and 1845. as you know and as you covered on the grounds of the Alamo during those fateful days of the siege, But I don't really have anything to add. You do such a great job. Let's keep it rolling.

And hopefully, you have a chance to plug into other parts of the state like San Antonio, South Texas, Rio Grande Valley, where new Republicans are being created every day because of the Biden border policies. And so love to be a resource to you and your team to help plug in down there. Absolutely, and I caught up to you in Midland too, and learned a lot about oil more than I ever thought I would in my life, but I know you did that too. Real quick, what's next for you, George? Have you decided?

No, I haven't, Brian. I mean, honestly, you know, I've set up a political action committee. With supporters around the state and the country focused on. On downsizing government, both at the federal and and state level. And we're going to get behind conservative candidates that are taking fearless positions to reform entitlements and arrange in our ridiculous amounts of spending with the rate of Our interest payments on just our debt now exceeding the cost of national defense.

And so. In the short term, I'm going to be focused on those races. I'm also going to be working with people like A.G. Barr on countering George Soros' elected DAs here in the state of Texas. If you can believe it, Brian, we do have.

Very powerful DAs that are supported by National Democrats, and so those races will be competitive, and we'll be fighting in those. I love my country, love my state. If the door opens, would love to step through it. I know you will, and you're doing the private sector, and so I'm sure it's great to be able to see your family and have quality time. George P.

Bush, thanks so much. Best of luck, and thanks so much for joining us next, Nelly Bowles. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, we are back, and my guest now is a new author, Nellie Bose, a reporter for the Free Press, and author of a brand new book called Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History.

Nellie, welcome to the Brian Kilmeat Show. It's a pleasure to be here. I think I'm actually in your seat in headquarters.

So I'm going to be. I know. And that's how much trust I have in you. I'll let you take over that. Tell everybody how great a studio I have.

It's a great studio. They are so nice here. I'm looking at your little items. I'm trying to figure out there's something in Russian here. Welcome to Ukraine.

I can't quite figure it out. But no, I'm having a lot of fun. I'm planning on staying, and I think I'm the new host. I wouldn't doubt it. You certainly have the ability and the talent.

I apologize, but this was the last minute for Law Enforcement Week. We did a big thing in the Candlelight Vigil last night. I'm going to interview the speaker today. I'll have that tomorrow. But, Nelly, congratulations on your book.

Talk about the changes in your career over the last couple of years. There have been a few.

So I started out as a good California. Reporter Uh joined the Times, which was my dream job. And um started getting in trouble when I started reporting on things that my colleagues saw as beyond the purview of a Times reporter or kind of unacceptable to report on, especially unacceptable to laugh about or report on in a funny way. And so now I left the paper. I wrote this book.

Basically a set of stories that I couldn't have gotten done there and and and now For the book, and then started a new media company with my wife. We are having it's my wife Barry Weiss. I write a Friday humor column called TGIF, which everyone should be reading. It's very important. And um That's our career now.

We're sort of in the wild west of the new media. But you write after you write dispatches from the wrong side of history, and maybe you have some regrets about the cancel culture you were in the middle of, and you thought to yourself better of it. And does Barry Weiss deserve a lot of credit for presenting another side of this story? I was a very good soldier of the Revolution. And I think.

In a lot of ways, for people who are growing up in a certain community and in certain waters, it's hard to look outside of that and it's hard to be reflective of. What you're doing or what you believe, and to question it. And it's not to say that I questioned it and now I'm on the other side and it's all so simple, but just to say that. Yeah. I looked around and I started to see the results of some of the progressive policies.

I'm from San Francisco, I lived there my whole life. If you're not looking around and seeing the streets and starting to question some of the ideas that got us to that place, I think you're fooling yourself. I think you're an absolute fool if you don't do that. And so I started looking at the facts. And yeah, I write about.

My role? To some extent, in some of this. I mean, I write about canceling a friend. I was trying to think about how to capture cancel culture, and I was thinking, oh, I'll. Talk to someone who canceled someone.

I'll do this, and I'll do it through reporting. I realized. The most honest thing is to admit that I won't I've cancelled someone. Very, very specifically. I had a friend who everyone was sort of dogpiling, and I was supposed to.

go on stage and do an on stage interview with her. reporter at the Times and that would have been good and helpful for her book and I backed out. And I Did it because I knew then the event would be canceled and I knew it would. It would harm it. Thought I was part of Uh um um Movement for the good and not thinking about it.

And yeah, I write about the feelings of. Regret and sort of wrestling with when you do a bad thing or do a shitty thing to someone. And why that happened, how I got caught up in that. And I, anyways, that's one chapter. And it.

Yeah. I yeah, I I certainly don't don't look like a hero of the book, and but I'm okay with that. I I think of myself already heroically, so I don't I don't need to write about myself heroically. You are a superhero in your mind, as I am. Exactly.

When we're not on the radio, we fight crime. Exactly. Wherever we can. Nellie, a couple of things. You're not saying that you're a conservative or liberal.

You're just saying you've learned to be more fair-minded and open-minded. For example, obviously. Governor Newsom's attack on the homeless situation has only made it worse. Obviously, you've taken one of the greatest states in the Union in California and made people apt to do everything, whatever they can in many cases to get out of there because of the crime and because of the taxes. And you're seeing what's happening in Chicago in the city, and you're seeing what's happening in New York with the no-bail policy.

And even though you say to yourself, okay, it seems like a lot of minorities are in prison, I guess America is a racist country. Let's let everybody out. Maybe that's not the good answer either. Yeah, I mean I When you're in the progressive world, as soon as you question any of it, you're called a fascist. But I just reject obviously, I reject the label, but also I just reject the premise.

I think that it's okay. to look at San Francisco's DA, who at the time was saying that we shouldn't prosecute crime and we shouldn't put drug dealers in jail or prosecute them because drug dealers are victims too. It's okay to look at that and say, that's absurd. That's ridiculous. Like, it's okay to look at the homeless situation, let's say, and say, Okay, these are very good intentions, but Why is it that the non-profits and the leaders of the Groups that are supposed to be helping the homeless are getting so rich.

How is that? That's a little odd, right? Like you're sort of, and that's okay. That doesn't make you a bad person. I mean, within the left, it's sort of seen as like you can't question any.

And by the way, I think this happens within groups on the right, too. It just obviously isn't my community, but I'm not, I think the right does the exact same thing in a lot of ways in our time of sort of extremes. Um Anyways, but in my community Yeah. I think that for a long time, and still now, if you point out any of the absurdities and any of the ways in which. The ideals Don't translate to results that make sense based on the supposed ideals.

If you point that out, you get in a lot of trouble. But I mean, the examples of this are.

So many. Like the book was easy to write in a lot of ways because you're looking around and you're like, well, you've got groups of school leaders who are advocating against opening schools. You've got That was big, right? The pandemic really made people take positions and really begin to question themselves for not questioning other people, correct? Exactly.

And it just doesn't make sense. And there's humor in that, and absurdity in that. And there's. I I um Yeah, it's low-hanging fruit. I mean, you've got I had a chapter on there's a They're white anti-racist leaders who are trying to tell us that Things like Perfectionism and urgency and objectivity are white values and white traits, and that that is anti-racism.

That's the most racist thing you could say. That's crazy. I mean, and that was so mainstream that the Smithsonian Museum made a poster with those attributes saying that these are white. And that these are white supremacy traits. And it's like, I mean, it's some of the stuff.

Now, when I look back and I think and I reread parts, obviously, I reread it to myself every night before bed. I. I you almost can't believe it's real. But it was, and it is. And I think we're seeing it play out still on campuses now and on a lot of the.

similar sort of absurd trends. I hear you. And in fact, you're not the only one. This has been a theme. In fact, on Saturday night, I just think the end of canceled culture is clearly upon us.

And it's not because a whole bunch of Democrats are becoming Republicans or conservatives becoming ultra-conservatives, whatever it is. I just think the age of looking at things fairly is now going to be in vogue. And I think back to Yuri Bernard. Right. Uh with the to the NPA NPR editor.

He came out and says, Listen, I never voted for Republican in my life, but I'm looking at NPR and I'm thinking to myself, this is insane. Listen to what he said. As you know, he wrote this column, then he got suspended. He said, No, you're not going to suspend me. I quit.

Cut 40. I think like every newsroom, every legacy media newsroom, we were shocked Disturbed, distraught, really troubled. We assumed Hillary Clinton was going to win and. And she didn't, and it was really an unsettling experience. But I also think to me it revealed that we didn't really understand a lot of what was going on in America, that we were out of touch.

And he went on with with Barry Weiss, your co-editor and and your wife, Cup Forty One. After a while we started. covering Trump um in a way that that Like a lot of legacy news organizations, that we were trying to damage his presidency to even find anything we could. To harm him. And I think what we latched on to was Russia collusion, like a lot of news organizations, which was, as I write, sort of.

Catnip, although it was just rumors and a lot of it based on pretty Shari. Documents or evidence. It wasn't really solid. But I think it was compelling. And he was upset by it.

He spoke up about it and they basically said, Who cares? It hurt the presidency. That doesn't matter. And I'm not giving you any new news. Does this go to the theme in which you the reason why you wrote the book?

Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean Uri is Unbelievably brave. He was there for many years and took a big risk in coming out and saying, We lost our focus. We lost our focus on journalism and on being honest. It It's As a writer, as an editor, like, or he was, as a writer like I was, or am.

It's very boring to some extent to be in a culture where everything has to be for the good of the party. Everything has to be to benefit. The candidate of the moment with the exact politics of the moment, and that to go against that is to um be doing something very dangerous.

So like I I The book starts with me trying to cover Chas and CHOP when Seattle was taken over by Antifa. And at the time, it was very important to deny that Antifa was part of BLM at all or that Antifa was having any role in what was happening in America's cities. And that was basically. A consensus in mainstream media. And It just was driving me crazy.

And I think for a lot of curious people, Who are Still in these institutions, by the way. There's tons of great reporters still within NPR, within the Times, who are kind of who have been for years a little bit cowed by a group of. really militant activists who want a small faction of very militant activists who want to clamp down and censor. But but it it's fundamentally just very frustrating to be a creative in those worlds because you can't do the stories that are most interesting to cover and write about. Nellie, tell me if this is the truth in your life.

It used to be where you'd cover stories, you'd do things, and then maybe on a Friday night you go out for a couple of beers and you go, by the way, who are you voting for? Oh, you might not be able to know. You actually would ask that question and not know.

Now it comes out in so much of the reporting. Right and left, that you don't really have to ask anybody who they're voting for or what channel they're on. You know exactly it. There might be a little bit of a Bernie versus Warren debate within mainstream media. You might have some battles over that over time.

It gets heated. It gets absolutely heated.

So I look back, this is what gives me hope. People like you, Mr. Yuri Berwiner, and I took this quote last week from Joe Kahn, the editor of the New York Times. He says: There are people out there in the world who may decide based on their Democratic rights to elect Donald Trump as president. It is not the job of the New York Times or the news media to prevent that from happening.

It's up to Biden and the people around him to prevent that from happening. I didn't think we'd have to read that. I thought that goes without saying. But the fact that they had to write it is crazy. But the fact that he said it is also important.

I agree completely. The fact that he had to say it is hilarious and does betray the whole thing, right? He has to say that, and it's considered controversial when he said that. And it's like, well. What are you talking about?

Obviously, you're supposed to not be a tool of propaganda. Like, that's that goes without saying, right? But it doesn't. And I think it's a really good sign that he said it. And I think that there is now coming a.

Like you said at the beginning, a moderate reformation, a sort of waking up of normal people who are like, we're not these flattened extremes of one thing or another. Our politics aren't simple. The average American identifies as like exhausted more than ideological. Yes. I'm in the exhausted party.

Would you like to be my running mate? Yeah, no one wants to be, whether you're on the right or the left, no one wants to be flattened into these obsessive little categories where you have to fit every whole of it. It's ridiculous.

So, listen, Nellie, a few more minutes right after the break, we'll take a short time out. That might be a good opportunity to open up one of my books, and you could take it for free, and you could say you're going to give it back and not return it. But I'll be back in just a couple of minutes. I'm in D.C., Nellie is in my studio. You have to go out and pick up her brand new book, which is now out and about and available for all those with a little excess income.

And that, of course, is the morning after the revolution: dispatches from the wrong side of history. Don't move. Expanding your knowledge base. It's the Brian Kill Meet Show. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin.

It's Brian Kilmeade. We are back. Thanks so much for tuning in. Nellie Bowles, still my guest, reporter here with the Free Press and author of a brand new book called Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches on the Wrong Side of History. And you look back to your days in the New York Times and you try to talk about how you've grown from it.

But believe it or not, the New York Times did not like your book. Does that hurt your feelings, Nellie? It says Bowles is more of a dull blade ridiculing their former colleagues by saddling them with laughably vacuous thoughts and dreams, their beautiful vision of the role of journalism for such a beautiful time, for instance, what twits. Your response to their review. I don't read the reviews, but I do make my partner and I ask her to filter through.

Now, of course the time slammed in. What do you think? I mean, I make fun of the paper. I make fun of a little bit of the movements that were going on within there. And The the world of legacy journalists and legacy journalism.

Doesn't like being made fun of. They don't like jokes about them. They take their work very seriously. And to um call out some of the silliness is to very much put yourself as an enemy of the movement, an enemy of the people.

So No, I'm not surprised that the Times was very mad.

Okay. Yeah. I okay, so I don't think it's going to hurt you. People that are going to buy your book aren't reading the Times or they've made a decision that they want to find out what you mean and they'll buy your book. I think that the average Times reader I think even the Average Times reporter, but I think the Average Times reader certainly is A curious Open-minded person.

I don't think. There's enough crazy ideologues in this country to to Ten Be all of those subscribers. I just don't believe it.

So I think the average Times reader is open-minded and. Has a sense of humor and is smart. Um I mean, at the Free Press, the thing we that we've been so surprised by, right, we started just a little blog. Really, my wife started it. And then I s I joined in when I saw it was getting successful.

And like like all good entrepreneurs. And The thing that has struck me so much is there's huge appetite. For content for podcasts and essays and Um Hopefully for books. That There's a huge appetite for stuff that isn't so ideological. And the Times reviewers and the.

I don't know who this person is. I didn't look into her before coming in here, but. These people are ideologues, right? They They're they're true believers. You'll never sway them, but that's a small fraction.

Well, I just think the free presses haven't getting so much traction because people want an honest assessment and they don't trust social media. They were beginning to read it as if it was gospel.

Now they don't trust it at all. And I think people are looking for a source. And your book spells it all out. Morning after the revolution, Nellie Bowles, nice talking to you. Congratulations on it.

And I hope to see you when we're both in the same studio next time. It's a pleasure to be here, and I'm never leaving the studio. I guess not. Eric, make her comfortable. Thank you.

Ryan killed me, Joe. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Thanks so much for being there, everybody. It's the Brian Killmead Show.

A lot going on. The afternoon session is about to begin. The President of the United States versus Michael Cohen. We know there's going to be a major speech in about an hour at the Rose Garden, at the White House, where President Biden will be talking economics. But he cannot be happy because inflation went from going upwards 0.5% wrong direction, bit of panic to 2.2%.

You cannot say that the American people are imagining things, that prices are going up, that everything's more expensive, and wages might be going up, but not nearly as fast enough. You can't say that anymore. This hour will be joined by John Robertson Studio. I'm lucky enough to be in Washington, D.C., fresh off covering the candlelight vigil for those who lost their lives while serving in uniform. I'm talking about law enforcement.

282 names are added to the law enforcement memorial wall here in Washington, D.C., and I was there for that that night. You'll hear some of that. But before we go any further, let's bring in Senator Joni Ernst, ranking member. On Armed Services, Small Business, Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee. Senator Ernst, welcome back.

Hey, Brian, it's great to be with you. Thanks so much. Senator Ernst, first off, your take on these New York Times Sienna polls, where in battleground states, President Trump is leading in every state except Wisconsin. It's only by two points. If you look at Nevada, too, not thought to be a battleground state, but it's 12 points.

The former President is up, and in Georgia, a substantial lead. We have not seen that in a few election cycles. What's happening?

Well, it really doesn't surprise me, Brian, and I don't think it surprises many of your listeners either. If you look around the world, I mean, literally, the world is on fire. We see the war in Israel against Hamas and the President withholding munitions and weapons platforms. You see the war in Ukraine with Russia invading and what President Biden basically encouraged by saying, ah, we don't care about a minor incursion.

Now look at it. You see conflicts growing everywhere because President Biden can't lead. Not to mention all of the domestic issues that we have here with a wide open southern border, with the fentanyl that's pouring in across the country, with China basically eating our lunch at everything. I mean, this president has failed everywhere. And the American people are the ones that are feeling the pressure because of his failure.

They want to see that return to strength, and that's what President Trump had brought to office in the previous four years.

So they are hungering for a change, and Brian, we're going to have it this fall. You know what? The way things are trending, but we're also people's eyes have looked at the three other court cases that look to be in delay, but who knows. And we're looking at the case going on in New York. When you go to Iowa, How many people are watching what's happening in New York?

It is historic. I don't care where you stand on any issue or the former President. We never had a former President on trial for something now dating back again to twenty sixteen. What if P when you walk when you go home, what do they say?

Well, honestly, Brian, people aren't watching the day-to-day of the trial because they think it's all baloney. And what they say to me is that what is going on here? They don't understand why he's being persecuted like this. And of course, then it just makes them angry and it makes them want to defend him even more because what they see is the left coming after our former president because they don't want to see him be president again.

So in their eyes, it is all political. And that's the way I view it. It's all political because they are trying to stop him from being our next president. But just I think in all these other states, just like Iowa, they're only encouraging more and more people to gather on the right and push back against the left. Yeah, in a way, and I want to get to some of the military things because I understand the IDF is getting impatient with Prime Minister Netanyahu.

They feel as though. They've cleared out the north.

Now the Hamas is back in the north. They want to move into Rafah. They're being held back in Rafah. I want to get to that, but I do want to get to, too, this political climate. It's not unusual to see a conservative take aim at the president.

But it is unusual to see liberals taking aim at the president. Listen to Van Jones cut 15. Young people are upset, and it's not just the situation in Gaza. The economic prospects for young people are miserable. We just do not have a pathway for young people to be able to pay off their student debt, get a house.

We're not yet feel feeling hearing a full-throated approach to the young people. There's a symbolic piece around student loans, but that's got not going to be enough for Joe Biden. And right now it looks like President of the United States is winning young people. You know where he's losing? Older white people.

Yeah, isn't that something, Brian? But I do look at, yeah, you could think they would relate, you know. But with these younger people, I mean, again, it's the failures of the Biden administration. And people want to see prosperity in their own lives, and they haven't seen that with Joe Biden. And yeah, he's doling out these student loan forgiveness checks, you know, whatever it is.

But that's not going to buy prosperity for them in the future. We need a growing economy. We need people back at work. Just look around Washington, D.C. For God's sakes, we don't even have federal workers back in their offices.

You know, they're out there playing at the dog park or taking a bubble bath when they should be attending a meeting with their colleagues.

So, you know, this is a president of failures. We know that. We've seen it now for over three and a half years. If we really want to get back on track, we've got to get a strong President in place that will guide our economy. I think young people see that with President Trump.

They saw they were better off four years ago, and they will be better off if he is back in office. Senator, let's go overseas. It looks like Russia is moving in on Kharkiv, the second biggest city in Ukraine. How concerned are you that Kharkiv will fall? I am very, very concerned, Brian.

And this is, again, another failure that is right here in Washington, D.C. You know, President Joe Biden, he just basically encouraged Vladimir Putin to go into Ukraine. Instead of bolstering Ukraine, which would have been very simple, low-cost in the beginning, just keep the Russians out of Ukraine.

Now they're in a full-scale war where they're losing bits and bits and bits of eastern Ukraine. And it's hard to undo. Once it's done, it's hard to undo. And I lay this all at Joe Biden's feet. He's an absolutely.

Some Republicans, too, really push back, as you know. Yes. And you and I are in agreement on it. But Republicans delayed it. But part of the reason is because President Biden slow walked all these weapons.

And he gives limitations. And he doesn't speak about the war. It made it almost impossible to back the war effort. Because you know his instincts are wrong on everything. Do you support Joe Biden's limiting Ukraine from hitting in Russia proper?

Absolutely not. I do not back what the President is doing. And I think Ukraine, if they're going to win this war, they've got to strike in Russia. They've got to hit munitions warehouses. They've got to strike those supply lines.

How do you win a war if you cannot strike where the enemy has all of their supplies? How can we win a war that way? You can't. You can't. And by the way, what do you know this better than me?

Where are the F-16s? Where are the pilots that we've been training for a year and a half? They were supposed to be training for a year and a half. Where are they? Do you know?

Yes, I don't. And we have asked about this and they say, oh, they're being trained. Oh, the F sixteens will be delivered. But we don't see it. And they need air superiority.

They need air defense. But they also need those longer range munitions and to be allowed to strike in Russia. If they're going to push the Russians out of Ukraine or at least even hold steady, they have to have the right weapons and platforms like the F sixteens, like more air defense, like long range munitions, and yet we are slow walking everything. But again, I'm going to go right back to the beginning, Brian. Wouldn't it have been easier just to simply keep the Russians out of Ukraine?

Now we're involved in this war and trying to defend a democratic nation in Europe. Again, just horrible, horrible foreign policy failures coming out of this administration. All right, so we'll see what happens as we do it. Last thing, are you going to follow Senator Cotton, who is going to be pushing to reverse the President's decision about keeping weapons from Israel? Oh, absolutely.

And I have been on this since day one. I was actually in Israel meeting with the Prime Minister when we learned about the munitions being withheld from Israel.

So we have been working this quite heavily. We'll continue pushing this. I've been in Israel three times since october seventh, working heavily with Ron Dermer, the strategic adviser to the Prime Minister, working with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And of course, the focus needs to be on our hostages. We have hostages that are still being held by Hamas.

And folks, these are Americans. We need to step up and do what's right for these Americans and get them home. Senator Tony Ernst, thanks so much. You betcha, Brian. Thank you.

100% agree. We come back. What's going on at the trial? Julian Epstein's watching it always served as on the Democratic side of the House Judiciary Committee. John Roberts at the bottom of the hour before he does his show at 2 o'clock Eastern Time.

Busy day. Also, an interesting study just came out of the UN. It turns out the amount of civilian casualties off by 50% in Gaza. No joke, Jack. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Got a few minutes here before the afternoon session. of the trial New York versus Donald Trump. More um Truly the U.S.

government, it seems like, against Donald Trump. And in the morning, it was more Michael Cohn. The cross has not started. Julian Epstein with us in the studio as an attorney, mostly worked for Democratic causes, but has been a fair and honest broker through this. Julian, great to see your thoughts about what type of damage Michael has done to the defense or the prosecution.

Well, it's hard to assess at this point, but I think, you know I think for the most part this case has turned into a dumpster fire. Yeah, well just hit your mic on right here. Just hit this big button right there Got it? Got it. Yep.

You know, hard to tell at this point. I think Michael Cohen is going to have a tough time on cross-examination because of sort of all of his credibility issues that go back for decades, really, with Michael Cohen. But in general, I think this case has become a dumpster fire that the judge has lost control over. The Stormy Daniels testimony last week, for example, has nothing to do with a central charge as to whether. And she came out and said, I saw Trump write the check, and I saw him hand it to Michael Cohen, who handed it to my attorney.

But she saw none of that. She goes, I don't know how I got paid. I don't know who paid me. I haven't seen Donald Trump since 2009. Even that wouldn't be that important because the only question before the court is whether the records were falsified and whether they were falsified for an illegal purpose.

It's not clear to me under the New York law that. Calling an NDA a legal expense is falsifying records.

So it's not even clear that the records were falsified to me. It's not clear to me that there is any. Uh oh. Law that was violated, any crime that was committed with respect to campaign expenditures, reporting campaign expenditures. As I was just saying to you before we came on air.

There's a very simple way to understand this case, which is If Donald Trump believed that the NDA was a campaign expenditure, Then he could have paid for it. with campaign funds. He could have recorded it on the disclosure laws as a legal expense, and it will all have been. all of which would have been reported after the election.

So none of it would have had any impact on the election whatsoever. And it would have been much easier for him to have treated this as a campaign expenditure. They have got to prove If they are tying the business falsification claim. to a federal offense that Donald Trump knew That These expenditures had to be reported.

So, the logic falls apart internally. But I think, in general, this case has sort of become a dumpster fire. I think the. The court has lost control of the case. I think all of Michael Cohen's testimony, it's not clear to me why any of this is being allowed in and under attorney-client privilege.

They have to prove that all of this was in the advancement of some crime that still hasn't been identified. And you have to prove that it's not. Donald Trump wasn't concerned about his family life. And the embarrassment of having his wife find out about this, he was only concerned about the election.

So Michael Cohen comes out and says, Yeah, he never brought up his family. He said, What about the second floor? Meaning upstairs where Milania is. He goes, Don't worry about it. If I become a free agent, there'll be plenty of takers.

Okay, that's what Michael Cohen said, that Donald Trump said. All right. We have Hope Hicks saying he cares a lot what Melania says. We have Madeline Westerhort from the White House saying, No, that had a lot to do with it and how close they were. That would be something that really mattered to him.

And then you have Hope Hicks said that his family was always a priority.

So who do you believe? Michael Cohen, who has no one to corroborate? And am I even in an area that matters? What I just said right now, that does matter with the case. At least that's what the prosecution says.

Well, it doesn't, but I know the prosecution says that, and a lot of the mainstream media is buying into it, but it doesn't matter. Two things, two responses to that. One is Donald Trump had Sought Nondisclosure agreements with Karen McDougall.

Well, before he was a 2011.

So the idea that he wasn't concerned about reputation issues and family issues is just demonstrably false. But it doesn't matter. Because It is clear under the Federal election laws that things like NDAs are not reportable campaign expenditures. The former chair of the Federal Election Commission, Brad Smith, has written extensively about this. In order to prove a crime under Federal election laws, you have to show somebody intended to do it.

If the chief law enforcement officer of the agency enforcing the law says nondisclosure agreements are not reportable, How can you prove Donald Trump or anyone intended to violate a law that the chief enforcement? officer. is saying is not a violation.

So it sort of doesn't matter. All this speculation about what his motivation was. Michael Cohen doesn't know whether he had a reputational concern or whether he had a concern about Melania. He doesn't know Donald Trump's.

So his statement that he came out with is: women are going to hate me for this. This can't get out. Just show me Daniel Zane. It may be. By the way, I've never heard Donald Trump say anything like that.

It may be true, but it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, None of this stuff is is sufficient to prove that Nondisclosure agreements are reportable expenditures. They are not. And if Donald Trump even if Donald Trump believed the primary purpose was to help him in October of 16, It still does not change the fact that there is nothing in the rules that suggests this is a reportable campaign expenditure. And again, just use simple logic here. If Donald Trump believed that at that time.

then why wouldn't he use His ample campaign funds to pay those funds and then record them after the election as a legal expenditure. It would have been much easier. Let me ask you if this is valid. You remember the doorman story, the doorman story that says he has a kid out of wedlock that everyone agrees is not true? Because Donald Trump says all three aren't true, whatever you think.

He treated them all the same way. True or not, I need to go away. I'm running for a I'm running for the presidency. I need every point I can get. I want these stuff to go away.

Now, the doorman stuff was not true. People say the other two are true. Regardless, he wrote the checks to all of them. Is there anything illegal about that? Or plausibly that he believed that people were trying to exploit and extort him during a campaign.

And he not only had reputational issues as a candidate, he had reputational concerns because of his family, his business, and other concerns. At the end of the day, there's nothing you can say that can change something that is not a criminal violation into a criminal violation, which is what Bragg is trying to do. And I would say this to my friends on the Democratic left. There is going to be a reckoning here. What are you going to say?

When a Trump Justice Department goes after Joseph Biden under the criminal negligence provisions of the Espionage Act for holding documents in your garage campaign. Julian Epsom, you've always been consistent, so they should be calling you. Thanks so much. It's great to see you. John Roberts waiting outside the door, he'll be next.

From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Killmead. What was it like for you? How did you feel about working at the Trump organization during those years? It was fantastic. It was working for him, especially during those 10 years, was an amazing experience in many, many ways.

During the years that you worked for him at the Trump Organization now? Did you at times lie for him? I did. Why did you do that? Because it's what was needed in order to accomplish a task.

Yes, CNN getting some criticism for doing reenactments now that the transcripts are released relatively timely after a day in court. Hi, everybody. Welcome back. I'm in Washington, D.C. John Roberts sitting across from me.

John, do you think critics have a right to be critical of the reenactments and brought to life the Donald Trump-Michael Cohen case?

Well, first of all, he sounds nothing like Michael Cohen.

So get an actor, is what you're saying?

Well, in order to at least make some sort of attempt at, you know, I would call up Michael Cohen and go, John, John. I can't talk now. I'm talking to to Trump. I can't talk now. Well, what happened?

What happened was that I took out a HELOC, a home equity line of credit, and I paid her, and I didn't get paid back. That is Michael Cohen. At least you're in New York. And I got to go, John. I got to go see Trump.

Right. Now, those years at CBS, you were in New York, right? No, that was at Fox. No, I'm just saying that you got your New York accent. Did you hone your expertise in the New York accent when you were in New York?

But that does sound like Michael Cohen. That's trying to. But would you do that? Do you not think that's a good move, David, to do reenactments? To do reenactments?

No, I don't. And if you are going to do a reenactment, at least make some sort of half-hearted attempt to make it sound like what's going on in the courtroom.

So, Julian Epstein, I don't know if you heard it all as mostly a Democrat. I didn't because they don't have the speakers on in the hallway.

Okay, I can't take the blame for that, as you know. But Julian Epstein is very critical of this case being brought. He's worried about the precedent. He's worried about a huge precedent. He's like, no one's going to be able to work on campaigns again if they think they get sued for making a mistake, a clerical error.

But as you see developing today, I'm watching the transcript bomb doing the show. Is there anything the cross has not started? No, not yet.

So, what has been accomplished? And Carrie Your Bond made an interesting point just a moment ago in which she said that it's beginning to get really tedious in the courtroom. And she is wondering if the prosecution is going. Into minutia to the nth degree to wear out the jury.

So that by the time that the cross-examination happens, the jury is like, we've had enough of this, get over it already, and stops listening. which would be potentially dangerous for the prosecution. Prosecution or the defense?

Sorry, for the defense.

So if the defense gets up there and they want to say, okay, in 2018 you said this, in 2016 you said this, in 2020 you said this, and then you cut a deal and you came out, you cut a deal and you got out of prison, you got home arrest, and now you've gone back on that and to the point where a judge says you're a serial uh offender So having said that, Michael Gong goes, Yeah, I know, I told you that already, but what I'm telling you now is the truth. Is that the problem? He lied. To so many people. He lied to Congress, he lied to the IRS, he lied to the FEC, he lied to me, he lied to the New York Times, and now he's saying, Oh, but everything I everything I'm saying now, Brian, is true.

That's I'm how Mm-hmm. How, if you are a jury, do you look at this guy and say, ah, Now he's telling the truth. When so many times in the past he said, I'm telling you the truth. This is exactly what happened when in fact it wasn't what happened. His credibility is really at issue here.

And the job of the defense, when they eventually come up, and hopefully the jury will not be tired of hearing from Michael Cohen at that point. The job of the defense will be The plant, the seeds of doubt in the jury's mind that anything that Michael Cohen is saying now. is true. Uh so for They're going over the details.

So when the prosecutor gets up there, they're going to try to establish some inconsistencies. John, the one thing that stands out to me is there are some things that nobody knows only because it was between Trump and Cohen. Trump's not going to testify.

So you go back to what Hope Pick said and what Westerhalt said and what Rana said about what they know about Michael Cohen and what they know about what took place. Things like how much did it bother Trump about his personal life for this to come out for his personal life, his relationship with Melania? How much was just about the campaign?

Okay, so let's just look at it practically, okay, pragmatically. If you are a presidential candidate and you are the husband. to a woman. And it comes out. That you had sex with a porn star in 2006, even though it's 10 years later, 2016.

Are you going to be worried more for your presidential campaign, or are you going to be worried more for your marriage? Or are you going to be worried for both? And if you're worried for both, I think it negates the effect of trying to protect the campaign because you're also trying to protect your personal relationship. What do you think Melania would have said if blared across the headlines of every newspaper and every cable channel and every newscast in America was Trump? Accused of having sex with Pornstar.

How do you think Melania would have reacted? I mean, it w you'd have to suspend disbelief. As a juror, to not think that he was concerned about his marriage as well. Thank you. And I also think it's a good point, too.

That you say one thing about work.

So, if you don't really know my wife and I have a personal transgression, I'm going to talk to you about how it's going to affect me at work. And when I go and talk to Allison, who knows my wife, who's the producer here, I might go, Allison, it's really a mess at home. But why did I tell you, you don't really even know my home wife?

So, Michael Cohen, this is their relationship. You're legal, I'm not, you work for me. It's like, you know, he made it, evidently, said he made a statement. How is upstairs taking it? And he evidently said, Uh I'm not worried about if I go on the market, I'll have no problem.

Okay. I don't know what that means. Who knows? Maybe Trump didn't want to tell Cohn about how he thought Melania would take it. But Hope Hicks seemed to know because Hope said that the President's concern was for how Melania was going to take it.

And who do you believe? Do you believe Hope Hicks, who's never had a blemish in her career, Or do you believe Michael Cohen, who's a convicted felon, lied to the IRS, the FEC, Congress, the media, and a bank when he was taking out that infamous HELOC?

So when I talk to you, I not only talk to somebody to cover the White House, but I know that Donald Trump really respects you.

Sometimes he got mad at you. Right? Your wife probably gets mad at you sometimes. Right. But I'm not saying that there are certain people that like when you say, oh, Fox is just giving me another program, sweetheart.

I won't be honest. Bill, though, with your relationship, do you have nicknames? Yeah. Like, I don't have a sweetheart baby type thing. I think we agreed on that early.

We'll just go by first names. No, we agree. Allison, do you? A little bit. I just never felt good.

What do you say, sweetheart? No.

Hi? You have something it's embarrassing? It's not embarrassing. It's just it's there. Having said that, the one thing that came.

Is it really? I did not know that. I used to be smoopy, but then that was a steal from Seinfeld. Oh, so you kind of have a fun with it. But you wouldn't say that in front of other people, other couples.

Oh, yeah, no, we do. Oh, you do? Yeah. Okay. See, this is a proof we don't hang out.

We don't double-date. Girl, so I would have known that. I wouldn't have asked.

So it's okay to have a nickname. Yeah, it is, but just not a question. But go ahead with your point.

Okay. I forgot what my point was. John, what I was trying to say is the one thing that has been successful Even if they didn't mean it to be. is that working for Trump wasn't bad. All these guys are 36 years COO.

You have a CFO in jail saying, I like the guy, I'm not going to say anything bad about him. He's in Rikers Island. And then you have Rana. A ronograph. Ronograph.

Ronograph. Ronograph. Who was with him for 30 years? A long time. And then you have Hope Hicks says he absolutely loved it.

So if he's such a bad guy, how is he hiding it? Anybody I've talked to who's worked for Trump in the Trump organization, the White House might have been a bit of a different story, but anybody who's worked for him in the Trump organization has said nothing but good things about working there. It's not like they want to portray it. I talked to Alan Weiselberg about it before he went away to the Hooscow. I talked to Cohen about it.

Right. I've talked to Hope. He actually said it on the so if they're trying to pay this horrible guy that's finally getting Ace come up and it's that's not working well. And that's the thing I can't figure out about Stormy Daniels. Because Stormy Daniels said on the stand, I want him to be held accountable.

And the first thing that came to my mind was Accountable for what? In your mind. He's not on trial for allegedly having sex with you. He's not on trial for crafting an NDA with you. He's not on trial for calling you horse face.

He's on trial for falsifying documents.

So, what dog? Do you have in that fight? Why do you want to see him held accountable for something that had zero impact on you? John Roberts is going to stick around. When we come back, John, you've covered Israel.

You were over in Israel for the war. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that resolution that's passing through the Senate now. Tom Cotton spoke about it on Fox and Friends this morning, backed up by Senator Joni Ernst and others. They're trying to make them continue the weapons allocation.

And number two is the UN made a prep mistake. When it came to the number of civilian casualties in Gaza, They were off by 50%, but yet their totals were the same, which leads one to believe. Many of those people were Hamas fighters. Don't move, Brian kill me, Chair. Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead.

A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. I've been doing this 60 years and I can't find the crime here. What I can find is a crime committed today in the courtroom by Michael Cohn. He looked the jury in the eye and he lied.

They asked him why he tape recorded his client. And instead of saying, well, maybe I was afraid I needed some protection, he made up this whole story about why he did it for a pecker. And nobody is going to believe that. And I think this raises serious ethical problems for the prosecutors. In sixty years of doing this, I have never put a witness like Michael Cohen on the stand, because I have ethics, and good lawyers don't put people on the stand who they know are going to lie So Alan Dershowitz beside himself on this whole thing.

Your thoughts about what he said, John Roberts? I know you're getting ready for your show at 2 o'clock Eastern Time. Again, it's down to Cohen has lied to everybody under the sun and their brothers and siblings. And why would he be telling the truth on the stand? Why would he not be shading the truth to his purposes now?

Because his credibility is on the line here, and if he can't put Trump away, he's going to fail at whatever. Uh achievement he has tried to make here. going out on a limb with this jury and back to the prefarrations of old to try to get Trump convicted.

So I think you have to take everything that he says with more than a grain of salt. And he just got to see if he can keep his composure when he's really challenged. And that's what I'm waiting for here because I don't know how much you talked to Cohen in the past, but when you started challenging him on something, he would start to go ballistic. And he would go ballistic. He would go ballistic very quickly.

And so you wonder if either Todd Blanche or Susan Necklace are questioning him and questioning him in a very pointed fashion and bringing up contradictions and inconsistencies, is he going to lose it on the stand? Yeah. I want to talk about Israel. You were over there when the war first started. Here's Jake Sullivan yesterday, cut 35.

Israel has an unusual, even unprecedented burden in fighting this war because Hamas uses hospitals and schools and other civilian facilities for military purposes and has built a vast network of military tunnels under civilian areas. That puts innocent civilians in the crossfire. It does not lessen Israel's responsibility to do all it can to protect innocent civilians. Do you feel Israel could be doing a better job from what you know in your context, what you observed in Gaza? I mean, it's war, and war is hell.

And could you do more to protect civilian life? Potentially, but let's take a look at the difference between what's going on in Gaza and what happened in London during World War II. London during World War II, the Blitz, the Battle of Britain, all of the civilians were down in the tube in underground shelters, and the military was up fighting against the Germans.

Now, with Hamas, it's Hamas that's underground, and all of the civilians are up on the surface. And they are the ones who are being put in harm's way in terms of Israel trying to attack Hamas.

So the big difference there is you've got the military organization burying itself underground and protecting itself while putting civilians at risk, as opposed to putting the civilians underground and protecting them while they fight The enemy. And, you know, Cindy McCain told John. Joe Manchin, that we have proof that Hamas is stealing all the aid and then selling it to the Palestinians if they give him anything at all.

So having said that, somebody had to prove that? For a Cindy McCain and aid organization, evidently the President didn't bring that up in his meeting with CNN last week. To me, you say what Jake Sullivan said, and then you say this: it's time to stay the course. We know the good guys are. We know why this fight is happening.

Look, I don't understand for one minute what Biden's doing here in regard to Israel, other than he's trying to protect his Michigan flank. But can you imagine? I think that he's lost them.

So I don't know why he's trying to placate them. I don't think that they're coming back. Because we're still supporting Israel, but then at the same time, he's doing everything he can to try to limit casualties and say to Israel, we're not going to give you the weapons necessary to get rid of the remaining four battalions of Hamas fighters, which means Hamas will survive, which means at some point October 7th is going to be repeated over again. I just can't figure out the strategy. Reagan withheld weapons and money from Israel.

But it was for different reasons. Israel was inside Lebanon. And he said, you've got to get out of Lebanon. Israel was attacking the Palestinians with artillery shells, which back then were pretty indiscriminate. And he said, We're not going to give you any more weapons or any more money to do it until you stop.

But this is an existential fight. For Israel. This is Hamas saying that it wants to do everything it can to destroy the State of Israel, and it's willing to take civilian casualties in massive amounts, as it did on October 7th, and it will never give up that fight.

So, if you're in a fight like that, what's the only thing you can do? Eradicate the enemy. You can't. Let them live to fight another day. And for Biden.

To retreat from his, quote, ironclad support of Israel on that front and fighting an existential enemy, to me, I think, is political suicide.

Well, also, Iran's about a week away from getting a nuclear weapon. Almost everyone's saying that. We don't hear anything about that at all. And we don't see the fact that you were there, John. Is it 200 miles Israel is off their northern border because Hezbollah keeps rocketing, so they can't do it?

So these kids and families are in hotels? No, not 200 miles. It's probably about 30 miles. 30 miles.

Okay, so they're not back to normal anymore. If you went 200 miles, you'd be in the Negev Desert.

Okay. Yeah, okay.

So it's the size of New Jersey. It's not a very big place. Right. So they're in a situation. Although, when you drive down the New Jersey turnpike, it can seem like forever.

Right, because of traffic. We understand that.

So we're just going to see what's going to happen now because now there is a division between them. I think it's also important to point out that Benny Gantz or anybody, or Lapid, who would likely be the next Prime Minister. Minister candidates have no criticism of Netanyahu. I always get to the point of the world. No, in the war.

What's interesting to me is. Don't make Netanyahu the bad guy. What's interesting to me is when Biden announced that he may be withholding weapons, you saw everybody in that Unity cabinet come out and denounce. That idea. You know, Benny Gantz first among them.

How can you withhold weapons from Israel when it's in an existential fight? Right. Lastly, the president's in front of six to seven battleground states and places like Nevada. He's up by double digits, and Georgia looks pretty substantial. You know, Pennsylvania, Michigan obviously can flip either way, and you can't just count on Florida with abortion on there and Ohio.

Work's got to be done. But this is probably a better team. Than he's ever had, and this is a better position than he's ever been in. The only problem for Trump, and the fact that he reached 50% in one of those polls, that he was at 49 and a couple of the others, is really important because when you get to 50, that's a threshold where everything seems to change. But one of the problems for Trump is Biden's numbers are going down.

But Trumps aren't necessarily going to be. Interesting.

So it's not an exchange. And I think the reason why Trump is leading so much in Michigan, which I think is one of the states where he's among likely voters or among registered voters, sitting at 49, is because Biden's lost everybody in Dearborn. You know, there's the I think the Muslim American Arab American vote is about 150. He's beginning to lose the Jewish vote now, too. And yeah, I mean, he's just doing it to himself on both fronts.

Twenty seconds, who's on your show? Who's on our show today? Our legal team is up and ready to go. Laura Ingram's joining us, as well as Alina Havas. That's enough.

And we're going to find out what's going to be happening because there's no Friday session, right? There's no Wednesday session, no Thursday session, I don't think, either. Wow. Isn't Trump going down to Mar-a-Lago for Barron's graduation? Thanks, John.

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