Anti-Semitic rhetoric grows as Israel prepares ground invasion

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome to the latest minutes of the Brian Kilmey Show. Continuing to look at Israel at war into Gaza and taking some incoming from the north, Hezbollah, and wondering if there's going to be elements in Syria to get involved too. I get the sense they're ready for all of it.

They're basically handing out guns and helmets to anyone in the Gaza area in and around the border. Imagine through the whole population, since everyone's got to serve two years in the military, and now they've got 300,000 active, they've called up 300,000 more.

So, in a country between eight and nine million, they're going to be going at it with 600,000. And this is going to get rough, and there's no doubt about it. They want the fight in Gaza. Hamas said, I'm going to blow open that wall, I'm going to kill a thousand people, hopefully more in their minds, sick minds, and then I'm going to grab some of them and make sure you show up to try to get them back. As Dave Ignatius writes today, that Being that the attack was a surprise, don't be surprised when there are all types of challenges in Gaza, which they say in terms of warfighting is going to be harder than the U.S.

had in Fallujah. And with me right now to discuss it is Ambassador Nikki Haley running for the Republican nomination and to be the next president of the United States in 2024. Ambassador, good to see you. Thank you. You just met with the ambassador, the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations.

Bit of a reunion. Oh, we have a bond. You know, I mean, I think that so much of what I did at the UN was dealing with Iran, dealing with Israel, dealing with the Palestinians, and the games that they would play. And so to see what's happened is really horrific because this was something that not only was it a surprise, not only was it murder, it was torture. And that's something you don't forget.

And I hope that Americans realize that how they feel right now when you start to hear that Palestinians have died. Go back to how you feel right now. Because when I was at the United Nations, I went to Ramallah. I went to Ida refugee camp to really understand what the Palestinians' needs were. And Brian, what I saw was all over the walls was graffiti saying kill the Jews.

In their schools, they do that. Their textbooks are simplified, basically say if you have five Jews and you kill four Jews, how many Jews are left? That's how they taught their kids. And they put these tunnels, and I've been in the tunnels where the equipment, the ammunition, everything they do to kill people. Is in these tunnels, and they put them under schools and under hospitals because they know Israelis value life.

So, you saw those walls in Gaza? Does it blow you away that they blew them away? The 19 separate breach points, that these towers aren't able to pick it up, there's agriculture on the farms on the other side, so a long visibility. And they come through with bulldozers, paragliders. I've been to those kibbutz.

No, I've been to those kibbutz, and I think about those families that were there and the fact that you're sitting out there in the farmland and this happens. This was very orchestrated, this was very planned, and the only one that can really do this is Iran. And that's what we have to remember. We can talk about Hamas all day long, but this is Iran at work. This is Iran at work with Hamas.

This is Iran at work with Hezbollah that we're seeing them start to do it. It's Iran at work with the Houthis. You know, we've got to watch Yemen too. All of these things, this is Iran orchestrating.

Well, Iran actually said it. If you attack us, we're going to hit you from Yemen, we're going to hit you from Lebanon, we're going to hit you from Gaza, and we'll be able to, we know they're going to hit from Syria because that's where they're located now, basically preserved Assad along with Russia.

So that's what this plan is all along.

So I want to bring you to this.

So the immediate reaction was: Hamas wants this fight in Gaza. Tactically, militarily, you wonder they blow open the wall, they grab hostages and want to make sure that Israel comes into Gaza.

Some say, wait a second, maybe their goal is to grab Israel into a quagmire where you're really pinned down there. Is that a legitimate fear? And worry.

Well, they don't value life, and they know Israel does.

So when they take a hostage, whether it's an American hostage or Israeli hostage, they know that we'll do anything to protect those lives.

So go back to 2011, and Israel, I think, released like a thousand Palestinian prisoners for one Israeli, and they know that.

So, what they're hoping is they can get any other fighters that they have that are being held and they can use that as leverage because they know what they see as our weak spot, which I think is our strength, is that we do value life. That's where this is going to get complicated, is because we're still trying to save those hostages. We're still trying to get them out alive. And they're going to use that. But yeah, this is going to get complicated.

So, what changes?

So, you go in, you exact the leader's brother died, and soon they're going to start taking out one by one the Hamas upper echelon, we hope, and the ones that don't escape. To see them celebrating in Qatar was unbelievable with the Qatar leaders. Yeah, but they're fine. But the military wing. Then what?

Is the gold to level it and take it back? Have they thought that far ahead, do you think? I don't, my guess is what they're thinking right now is first things first is eliminate Hamas. I think that's really the goal. Then they'll focus on what happens with the land, but you've got to take away the terrorists.

And this isn't just Hamas.

Now you're dealing with Hezbollah.

Now you're dealing with the Houthis. But overall, they're going to be coming to America saying, what about Iran? And when you look at the fact, we knew this at the United Nations. We knew that if Iran got any money, it didn't go to feed their people, it didn't go to humanitarian efforts, it went to fuel terrorist activity. And so you can't change a culture.

This is a culture of a regime that says death to America, death to Israel every day. And when they were dragging these bodies through the streets, that's what they were chanting.

So the real source of this, we can talk about eliminating Hamas, and we should. The real source of this is Iran. And when Biden loosened those sanctions, that money started flowing again. That's the biggest thing. And don't underestimate what's the core we're looking at.

China imports. More oil from Iran than anyone. Russia's getting drones and missiles. We now have no leverage over either one of those countries. Maybe 10 years we may have.

But have a clear moral compass knowing it's China, Russia, and Iran that are in this together. And why are they in this together? Because they all hate the West. They hate Israel. They hate America.

That's what's getting raised.

So you have the ambassador job, you have the governor's job, but you're the president right now. And what changes tomorrow? And what would you have included in that speech yesterday that President Biden delivered? You know, give credit where credit's due. The words that Biden used were important.

He needed to say them. He should have said them a couple of days before. He should have been on air more. But I think what he said was really important. I can't, for the life of me, understand why he's tiptoeing around Iran.

He still in his mind thinks he's going to get back into an Iran deal, but that's what fuels their fire. That's what gives them leverage. The one thing that we need, if I was president, we would demolish their economy. Make sure they don't get a dollar in their bank because that's how you stop the terrorism. We had that.

Iran was desperate with their economy. He loosened it up.

Now they've got billions of dollars flowing into them. Then you go and you do this hostage situation. You give them $6 billion more. We need to freeze their funds. We need to really put down the sanctions to where no dollars are flowing into them.

And we need to bring them to their knees. Hands down, that's what we need to do. But you sound like you like the policy of President Trump. What would President Haley do different? Or do you just agree the way President Trump handled?

Look, President Trump and I worked together on getting out of the Iran deal. That was really important because you can't change a car. Madis did not want to get out of that deal, by the way. None of them wanted to get out of the deal. Kelly.

And when I went back, you had all the National Security Council. Most of them were telling him not to get out of the Iran deal. It's only because I actually went to the International Atomic Energy Agency, asked the hard questions about what was really happening with the Iran deal that I realized it actually had no terror. Teeth. And so I came back, made the case for him to get out.

He clearly had wanted to get out if we had reason, and he had more than enough reason.

So getting out was the first thing. The second thing is the sanctions. When we put those sanctions down, that's what really decimated their economy. We have to go back to that. Then finally, we have to go and eliminate all of these terrorist cells.

Just like we focused on ISIS, we've got to focus on all of these terrorist cells. And then we've got to focus on the Arab community and let them know we've got to get in this together. Why is Saudi Arabia backing off? They're backing off because they don't trust that America and Israel will win. That's in a very, very important point.

Because if you leave Iran strong, Saudi Arabia is vulnerable. Saudi Arabia is going to lean towards Iran. We've already seen them do the deal. They got rocketed into their war. Saudi Arabia was constantly at odds with Iran until China came in and negotiated this deal.

Why did they even consider that? Because the U.S. was weakening. They didn't see the U.S. fighting Iran anymore.

They saw the U.S. trying to get in a deal.

So that pushed Saudi Arabia towards Iran. That's what we don't want to have happen. But Saudi Arabia is smart. They're not going to lean in to us and Israel unless they know that we can win and that we're serious about taking on Iran. When Republicans talk about wavering on Ukraine, the ones that aren't just, I don't want to be involved and let's bring everything home.

They'll say, listen, I don't like the tactics. I never hear about the objectives. It's never explained to the American people why it matters. How do you convince Republicans, many of which you really respect and call you a friend, that it is right to support that cause?

Well, first, Joe Biden's done a terrible job communicating this. You know, when you go and you give equipment, ammunition to anyone, you owe it to the taxpayers to tell them why you're doing this. Why does it matter? All of that. You look at what's happening.

Putin said with his own words, once he takes Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics are next. That's a war because those are NATO countries. The reason we're doing this is we're trying to prevent war. But remember, go back to what I said. It's China, Russia, and Iran.

Those three together. A win for Russia is a win for China. Assume that Iran is in that mix. It's all three of them together. 3.5% of our defense budget.

That's it. That's all we're giving. 11 European countries are giving more than us, and they should.

So our goal is how do we go and make sure that this comes to an end quickly? That's the goal. But you don't do it by pulling back. Remember, as much as we're feeling for our Israel right now, that's what we were feeling for Ukraine. Americans can't get tired.

We have to know the difference between right and wrong. We have to know the difference between good and evil. And that's what we're dealing with right now. George Will had a column today. I don't know if you read it.

He called on everyone to drop out. And support you. Uh as the nominee to take on Trump. And even though his wife disagrees with him, he says you're his pick. Did you have any conversations with him?

Are you surprised? Am I telling you this for the first time? I saw the article last night. I have not had any conversations with him. I have not seen him.

And yes, it was an interesting surprise. What I will tell you is the momentum is real. We feel it in Iowa. We feel it in New Hampshire. We feel it in South Carolina.

Oh, you haven't felt it before? And we see it in the numbers. The numbers are going up. It's the reason that Trump is starting to attack is because he sees the same numbers that we are. But the momentum, the reason the momentum is real, is because real Americans feel the chaos of the Democrats.

They feel the chaos on the border. They feel the chaos with inflation. They feel the chaos in classrooms. They feel the chaos with crime on the streets. And they feel the chaos in Europe now and in the Middle East.

But our focus has to be: we can't fix Democrat chaos with Republican chaos. We need stability. We've got to leave the baggage and the negativity behind. We've got serious world issues right now. We need a stable hand.

And we need to be able to take care of this so that we can keep Americans safe. And you're referring to, you think President Trump brings chaos? I think you look at the situation. I mean, there's a lot of drama and chaos. He's focused on the past.

We need to be focused on the future. We've got a lot of issues with inflation, with education, with our border, with China, you know, with now what's happening with Israel. We can't keep talking about an old election or old things that are happening. We've got some serious work to do to lift Americans back up and make our world safe again. He's also given you a nickname.

Yeah, I think it's lame. He's kind of lost his luster. I mean, it's a lame nickname. It doesn't even. What is it, Birdbrain?

Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. What does that even mean? Like, he used to be cool at that. He's not cool at that anymore. But look, I told my team, let's celebrate because he sees the numbers we see.

He knows exactly what we're doing. We're coming. We're coming. Get ready. All right.

One thing is, it's going to be hard to match your energy, and the money is coming in. And of course, this is your wheelhouse. Sadly, an international calamity. This is where you thrive. Ambassador, thanks so much.

Thanks so much. Go to nikkihaley.com and remember: a president's role is to keep Americans safe. That's what I'm determined to do, is to make sure we keep every American safe. All right, thanks so much, Governor. 1866-408-7669.

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to any country. any organization, anyone thinking of taking advantage of this situation. I have one word. Don't. Don't.

Ian Bremer joins us now, president and founder of the Eurasia Group, GZero Media. And by the way, if anyone has control of a global crisis, it's him. Ian, your thoughts about here we are five days after the attack on Saturday.

Well, Not Nyahoo said it pretty clearly of the Israeli Prime Minister. This is the worst atrocity Against Jews. That we have seen since the Holocaust, anywhere in the world. And we've all for decades said never again, and now we're facing this.

So the impact on the Israeli people, 10 million citizens of Israel, really can only be seen in that context and can't be overstated. I think that has to be the focus here. But of course, Responding to this terrorist activity is a very different matter. It is going to involve urban warfare. House to house, building to building in Gaza City.

That is an incredibly hard thing to do. It will be a very violent thing to do. And when it's done, there's an open question on what Israel does with Gaza. I mean, they they don't want a permanent occupation, but no one else is prepared to take it over. And yet we are planning, whether it's a matter of days or weeks, For very serious and extensive ground warfare against a terrorist.

Organization. It's the worst kind of fighting imaginable. The Israelis trained for it. But that's what we're looking at going forward. Right.

They say it's going to be harder than Fallujah. It's more dense. And you have to wonder if Hamas knew what was coming and if they have surprises, ugly surprises for the Israelis coming in that they weren't anticipating. The other thing, you also said that Israel is in a more positive geopolitical position than ever in their history. In what respect?

Well, and this is part of the context of the attack. Um over the last five years, Israel's relationships in the region have improved dramatically. And you'll remember that in the Obama administration, John Kerry, when he was Secretary of State, said, You cannot have any peace in the region unless you resolve the Israel-Palestine situation, the conflict.

Well, nothing has been done to resolve the conflict, but there's a lot of peace. Israel now has direct diplomatic relations with the UAE, with Morocco, with Bahrain. They were moving very close. To a diplomatic breakthrough with Saudi Arabia. There's enormous amounts of investment.

If you go to Dubai, there are all sorts of Jewish tourists. From Israel.

So first of all, Israel's geopolitical position is much stronger. They increasingly weren't just surrounded by enemies. They were doing business with people in the region. They were even coordinating on technology and some national security issues. At the same time, The Palestinian situation has only gotten worse.

There are, you know, more of their land has been taken, more illegal settlements under Netanyahu. And Hamas. A terrorist organization, which represents the government to the extent there is one, in Gaza, has continued to hold the position that Israel does not have a right to exist. They refuse to recognize them, unlike the Palestinian Authority in the much, much larger population West Bank. And so, you know, Hamas, they were becoming dead enders.

And what Hamas has done here. Not only has it been to make a suicidal decision on the part of their own leaders, because they will now be rooted out and killed, but they really want the Israelis. They want to goad the Israelis into acting like Hamas. Gotcha. They want the Israelis to act like monsters.

I always appreciate it. Go check out his site, GZero, the Eurasia Group. Ian Bremer, thanks so much. Rich Lowry, next. Brian Kilmichill, so glad you're here.

The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Killmead. Right now, we look at it as kind of a war Israel's in. and we got hit by the fire. But if they start parading US hostages, On TV and threatening to kill them, even if they don't yet kill them, then it's our war.

And I think President Biden will have to act. I hope he has it within him to do something tough. I don't see it. I'd never see it. And his instincts have been terrible.

His policy decisions have been awful. He looks flat-out incompetent. Just because you've been doing something a long time doesn't mean you're good at it, which is part of the reason he got lucky in backing Ukraine. Of course, that's the right move and the only move. But because of his years of incompetence and ineptness, and Afghanistan specifically, Republicans are saying, why am I following this guy?

At what cost? And now his speech yesterday, you have to wonder how much he means it. And Bill McGurn's point is is well taken. We know twenty Americans are missing. We know fourteen at least are dead.

But where are those 20? And if they are brought out as American hostages, What do we do? What is the right move? Rich Lowry's seen it all, reported on it all, wrote about it as editor of National Review. He joins us now.

Rich, welcome back. Your take on Bill McGurn's scenario. Yeah.

Well, he's right, and this is a thing that was missing from Biden's otherwise completely fine and actually strong in many respects statement. Yesterday, this is a hostage crisis, right? They have American hostages. We don't know exactly how many, but they have them, and they are among the cohort that they are threatening to kill, perhaps in a very public manner, if the Israeli operation continues. And how can that not be kind of a top-line concern of the President of the United States, such that he mentions it or says something, sets out some policy about it?

And he didn't, you know, I think part of the issue is that it's really hard, right? What can we do? We can't just go in and save them. What Hamas assets aren't already being destroyed? But I would think you would say something like, you know, Iran is complicit in this attack.

Every time an American hostage dies, Iran is losing an asset that's very important to it, whether it's a bunch of oil refineries or a nuclear site or whatever it is. And that's the way we're going to play this game and hope maybe Iran. Iran would have influence over Hamas. But this is, you know, and I lived through the hostage crisis. I'm old enough, the Iranian hostage crisis during the Qatar years, and it was a national obsession.

And I think this hasn't yet gotten the attention it deserves. U.S. is according to NBC. The U.S. is investigating whether Iran gave advanced training to Hamas militants.

Why would they say that? Because the Washington Post reported it. And two days prior, almost the next day, Wall Street Journal talked about bi-weekly meetings led by the El Quds force leader with Hamas and Hezbollah in Beirut.

So no one's refuted that story. They just haven't confirmed the story. Yeah.

The journal story, the one over the weekend that was most eye popping, said Iran gave the green light. Iran approved it. Iran pushed the button. And we haven't seen reporting to confirm that, although they were citing Hamas sources who presumably would know. But even if you say that the journal, just for the sake of argument, that our friends and colleagues, they got it wrong.

Still, the reporting that's been short of that, just that they've they trained and prepared Hamas for this operation, that's enough, right? That's enough. What else do you need to know? Why are you still desperate to kowtow to this regime, to hand resources to this regime when they're complicit in the killing and the kidnapping of Americans? I mean, how much more playing does it need to be?

See, the whole thing, the speech was fine, but it was easy. You know what's going to be hard? Two weeks later, when the Palestinians, along with Al Jazeera and all the other Arab outlets, and trumpeted by Qatar, obviously, and other Arab unfriendly Arab nations, Syria. They're going to be put talking about kids and others that are hurt as collateral damage, despite the warnings they're getting. And then they're going to be well, you know, listen, hey, Israel, is it going to be listen, we need you to back off.

They're never going to say that. That's going to be reports and pressure on Netanyahu.

So that's going to be that that's what's going to test leadership. Yeah, of course. We've all seen the rhythm of this before.

Now, this is a much bigger event in every way. But there's an outrage perpetrated against Israel. Israel responds, and then the clock starts ticking before people are like, you know what, this is too much, this is disproportionate, whatever it is. And we're going to see horrible images. You know, one, war is a horrible thing.

Two, Hamas goes out of his way, as we all know, to hide his weapon caches and headquarters and fighters and all the rest of it in sensitive civilian areas to get those images because they know that those images are enormously helpful in the propaganda war.

So you're absolutely right. You just have to stay stalwart. It's great to be strong now, but the key is to really be strong two weeks from now or three weeks from now. Because you can't teach them a lesson. If Hamas continued to rule that area, they'll win elections.

By the way, we should just say it. The two-state solution is dead forever. We'll never allow, nobody would ever allow the West Bank and Gaza with a land bridge, however connected, to exist. You think Gaza's bad? Isn't the West Bank five times the size of war?

You're going to allow them to exist right through your country? Forget it. I want you to hear David Rodi. As you know, he was held captive by the Taliban. Here's what he says is going to be the hard situation now in Gaza, Cut 15.

I think they've been divided into smaller groups. I mean, it's again, it's not clear how many there are, but they will do that for safety reasons. They're likely being held underground. One former intelligence official told me they thought they would be put in the houses of families. I was held near families and in sort of crowded places, larger towns, most of the time.

And that's an effort to make any raid more difficult and dangerous in terms of trying to deter it. That would U.S. or Israeli forces want to go in and potentially kill civilians in the process of one of these raids. And then if there is a successful raid, you could have Hamas threaten to kill other hostages unless the U.S. stops.

So it's not a hopeless situation. I think it's a grim, it's a terrible situation, I should say, but that it's Hamas wants a deal. Given that they got a thousand prisoners for Gilad Shalit in the past, they see these hostages as very valuable bargaining chips.

So, and there's also efforts already by diplomats in the region to try to negotiate some kind of swap, talking about freeing women and children in an exchange on both sides first. Women and children held apparently by the Israelis. for some of these hostages. And I don't think Israel will be talking a lot about the hostages while working silently. I understand our special forces have been moved there.

My hope is that the FBI hostage unit will be brought there. And then I don't know if negotiations are formally going to take place. I did hear a report unconfirmed that Islamic Jihad has got the hostages now, and there's nobody with lines of communication to them. Yeah, I mean, it's just extremely difficult. You know, just a hostage situation with a real committed hostage taker here in the United States can be difficult, right?

And you're doing this in a war zone with these hideous terrorists who are completely remorseless. I take everything Roadie said. Obviously, he has harrowing personal experience with this. This is going to be really hard to see a a favorable um outcome. But the you know, the temptation is going to be Israel cares about its people.

We care about our people.

So the temptation is going to be to do some sort of trade. I think what you can't do, and what maybe Hamas is counting on, is you stay Israel's military hand through having these hostages. And I think that's just Israel can't let itself be leveraged out of doing what it needs to do here. Obviously, Corey Bush, Rashida Tlaib, two Democrats who have come out in favor of the Palestinians, proudly standing by her flag, Rashida Tlaib, not the carnage that took place, blames it on the apartheid government of Israel. Finally, this White House took on their own party, Cut 21.

I've seen some of those statements this weekend, and we're going to continue to be very clear. We believe they're wrong. We believe they're repugnant, and we believe they're disgraceful. Our condemnation belongs squarely with terrorists who have brutally murdered, raped, kidnapped hundreds. hundreds of Israelis.

Uh there can be no equivocation about that.

So that was surprising. I never thought they'd bring it up. Yeah.

No, good for her. There's no dancing around. That was a really forceful statement and appropriate. And just goes to just how repulsive s some of these statements have been, how contemptible they have been, running the range of all these Harvard student groups to members of the squad. And the White House has the moral and political sense at least, if nothing else, to realize it can't in any way be associated with that kind of sentiment.

And it's one thing, Brian, it's completely legitimate to criticize Israel, to have problems with the settlement policy or the blockade in Gaza or whatever it is. But you can't blame Jews for a pogrom. You can't blame Israel for its civilians being raped and murdered and kidnapped, which is what what these people did. I mean, we just have a lot of, unfortunately, poisoned minds in this country, including very much among young people. I mean, there has been one student group that I've seen this put out a morally decent statement about this.

Well, by the way, today, also around now, there's going to be a convening of the Republican caucus in the House, and they've got to pick a speaker, something they did nine months ago. But evidently, you need Matt Gates' approval to do anything, who does nothing except complain and pontificate and hope Newsmax calls him to host a show, says this. It looks like it's down to Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise. Kev McCarthy said yesterday, don't nominate me. Here's what Steve Scalise said this morning, Cut 32.

What people have really liked about my approach is that I've been a unifier, I've been somebody who's built coalitions throughout my entire career, and we've delivered big wins, and people want to see us get back on track. We need a Congress that's working. Tomorrow, we need to get Congress back to work. Speaker Scalise, on day one, we will, number one, be passing a resolution to express our strong support for Israel. Jim Jordan sounds just as conversant and confident.

They are friends. How does this play out, Rich Lowry? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure House Republicans know, so I'll have to wait and see.

I think both are fine. I don't have a preference. Scalise is kind of the inside game, right? The very traditional, you go with the next in line, would be good. You know, the stakes here, Brian, are just small, right?

I mean, they have control of one chamber with a narrow majority.

So there's just limits to what they can do.

So even if you have a terrible choice, and I think neither of these guys are a terrible choice, or a fantastic choice, the best choice ever, it's not going to make a huge difference. Difference.

So I can see the case for Scalees. I can see the case with Jordan. I'd be perfectly comf comfortable with either of them. I just hope it's resolved in fairly quick order, you know, that this doesn't drag on for weeks. Can you blame the American people if they think the Republicans have shown they're not ready to lead any chamber?

Yeah, I mean, it was incredibly self-destructive and stupid last week. I don't think it, you know, most people don't pay attention the way we do. This is affecting zero individual lives of anyone, but it's not a great look, especially if it drags on. It just wasn't fair to Kevin McCarthy. I mean, he'd done a good job.

He'd done nothing wrong. And there was this personal vendetta where just through an accident of the process and how it worked, Gates was able to leverage every single Democrat and eight Republicans to defy the will and overcome the will of the overwhelming majority of the Republican caucus. Never should have happened, shouldn't have done it. The political effect is probably almost nil. All right.

I'm going to speak to Donald Trump later. It's going to be on tomorrow's show. What should I ask him? hostages, what would he do? I think that's a big question.

And I think this helps him in the primary, not that he needs a lot of help, but probably it would help him in a general election too. Because just the intuitive argument that he makes, and it's hard to push back against, is why is it this never happened when I was president? And it's because a lot of people were scared, and they should be scared. That's called deterrence, and we've lost that. Wow, you didn't even hesitate, Rich.

It makes it seem so easy. All right, thanks so much, Rich. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

All right. Israel's at war. We're covering it all. Gaza's being lit up. You see explosions and you see a lot of smoke.

There were rockets into central Israel, we understand. We're trying to get to the bottom of that. We'll follow it with your calls and insight in just a moment. You'll listen to the Brian Kilmeat show. Politics, current events, and news that affects you.

Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. A lot of the border sort of protection was electronic.

The New York Times reported that drones were first sent in by Hamas that took out cell towers. And there were these, there were actually remote machine guns and surveillance cameras that were taken out as well by drones.

So the Israeli soldiers didn't see Hamas coming. They were taken out quickly. There weren't, you know, communications and warnings couldn't have gotten to them.

So a catastrophic failure. And we're reporting that it's going to be very difficult to prove, you know, and likely no evidence that Iran was directly involved in this attack. But the U.S. is investigating whether some of the Hamas people that carried this out received advanced training from Iran. Again, no smoking gun is likely to emerge here, but for years, Iran has been providing weapons and training and money to Hamas.

So this attack never could have happened without the Years of constant support from Iran. And that's what Hamas, a Hamas spokesperson actually said the next day, said they wanted to thank Iran for their support. And then they've celebrated it. And now we hear a report with the Wall Street Journal, followed up by the Washington Post, and now NBC is investigating. At the very least, I think as a policy measure, you've got to always wonder: you know, you can't just walk around just bombing countries because they did things that are against our allies and against us.

After all, we're missing 20 people, minimum. 20 people. But How much more proof do you need that they need a reconfiguring and a reanalyzing or reimagining? I'll use a Black Lives Matter term, a reimagining of our relationship with Iran. Because we know about their role with the creation of Hezbollah, the gold standard of.

terror groups and now a political organization as well as a military organization and now Hamas, who got a lot better, a lot more financing, a lot more precise rockets, a lot more training, a lot more sophistications and a lot more munitions. And who knows what's awaiting the Israelis when they get into Gaza. I mean, they're destroying, they hit 450 sites in one day alone. That'll definitely. Uh soften up A battlefield, don't you think?

So the President did speak yesterday, speak directly, but I love to see it. Uh in two days. In three days. How about three weeks?

So more from Barry Weiss weighed in yesterday. And she talked about some of the people pushing back. Palestinian rallies. Harvard University statements supporting the Palestinians, condemning the Israelis. Long Beach State, same thing.

Cornell Graduate School, just as well. She, creator of Substack, former of the New York Times, cut 10. This is different. What has happened over the past seventy two hours is the biggest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust. But unlike with the Nazis, It took years, remember, for the Allies to uncover the extent of Germany's war crimes because the Nazis tried to hide it.

In this case, With Hamas in 2023, they are live streaming their atrocities on TikTok. They are filming them with sophisticated drones. And not only that, they're taking the phones of their victims. And taping this. And then sending it out.

Through their contacts. More, cut 11. They are gleefully and proudly showing the extent of their barbarism. And I think what has occurred over the past seventy two hours, it's very, very important for people who don't often pay attention to the news from Israel, who feel like it's a place far away that has many problems, to understand that this is about civilization. This is not A war with two sides, with militants on one side and an army on the other.

The two sides here. Are terrorists like ISIS? who have raped and maimed and mutilated and murdered innocent people. And that one is a democracy. Uh who happens to be an ally?

uh who historically belong in that land. who we played a major role, Harry Truman's administration, in making sure they had a homeland after World War two. We watched them cut in half in nineteen forty eight. We watched them battle all their enemies and take Uh and buffer zones after the 67 war, only to be surprised by the Yonkippo War in 1973 and constantly on the attack. to up until this day.

The thing that's different now is people realize Sober people realize. The trade with Israel is in our interest. They are never been a threat before. And it's Iran that should be isolated. And that should be the goal of all the diplomats and State Departments out there while reining in Iran.

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian In Kill Mead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Bryan Kill Me Show. He comes here from Midtown Manhattan, just blocks away when there was a rally in honor of Hamas in New York City.

And what a tragic reminder that not everyone is sane in New York City. And many Democrats no longer support Israel, period, despite the carnage we all witnessed with over a thousand dead. What are the numbers now? The latest numbers I had when I started the show: the IDF says the toll is now 1,200 dead in Gaza, excuse me, in Israel, 2,700 wounded. 14 Americans have lost their lives, 20 are missing.

And that's where we stand right now as the number continues to rise, as we get a hold of what really happened when the terrorists about. A few thousand breached the border in Gaza and went into Israel proper. Israel says, excuse me, I'll check that number, fifteen hundred dead. They have now covered thirty three hundred they have now brought up three hundred thousand reserves. They now have a fighting force of six hundred thousand, which is remarkable.

Considering they're a country of just 8 million with us right now. And by the way, coming up a little bit later, the former Congressman on the House Select Committee for Intelligence, Mike Rogers, former FBI guy, military officer, who now wants to be the next Senator of Michigan.

So he'll be with us too. But right now, from FBN, editor-at-large for the Wall Street Journal, Gerard Baker. Gerard, welcome back. Thanks for having me, Brian. Hey, George, what about the the story that is now out that you guys put out that talked about Egypt giving Israel a heads up that something big is happening in Gaza?

Yeah, well, we've had a couple of interesting stories. We had a story at the weekend. We were the first to report that Iran was directly involved in the planning and the. That all the detailed preparation for this attack.

Now, that has been denied. As you know, the administration continues to, I think. Try for its own, I think, purposes. in a political purposes continues to choose to say they can't confirm it. They say they can't, they don't have evidence, yeah.

But I think, you know, to me, that's a pretty strong indication they know it's true. On the Egypt thing, yeah, I mean, look, there are other reports that I've just been speaking funny enough, literally, just got off the phone with a. a contact in who's in Israel, former ambassador to the United States who's there now, is actually in southern Israel attending some of the funerals of some of the people who've been killed. And it does seem nobody can believe that the scale of this attack, given what we know, given the sophistication of Israeli intelligence, given the scale of this, you just mentioned probably thousands of Hamas fighters who must have been preparing for this. The intelligence that we should have, the human intelligence, the signals intelligence, they use cell phones.

We presume you have to.

some indication that this was clearly a major, major dropped ball on the part of Israeli intelligence. And we are getting reports. You say we've had these reports that they were also tipped off by Egypt. I think, look, we're going there's going to be huge recriminations. And obviously, not now.

Now is not the time for that.

Now is the time for Israel to seek its vengeance and it will and it will try to destroy Hamas as it can. But there will be in time, there will be a massive Internal investigation as to what went wrong. And I think we will learn that again, it looks like if this if the story about Egypt is true, I think there was maybe a degree of complacency on the again, the the the contact I was just talking to in Israel said, you know, it just made just they just weren't focused on they weren't focused on Gaza, they were focused heavily on the West Bank, they didn't take these tips, they didn't take the any intelligence that they were getting seriously and you know, I for comparison, Brian, in nineteen seventy three when Israel was attacked by surprise by its Arab neighbors and what was the greatest disaster then I think this is probably eclipses this, but the greatest disaster in Israeli history, you know, that they fought that war, the the Yom Kippur war, as it was called, and they were successful in it, but it did result in the ultimately in the collapse of Golda Mae's government and the end of her political career. And you have to wonder whether the same thing might not be in store for Benjamin Nethanyo. But Americans are involved in this.

I mean, we got where 14 are dead. 20 are missing. It is confirmed we do expect to emerge soon that there are hostages, and I'm certain we're going to see some video of it soon. This is what Lindsey Graham says we should do: cut seven. The people we're dealing with have been programmed since birth to hate the Jews.

They're modern-day religious Nazis. You have to pull this problem up by the roots. You have to go into Gaza. You have to shut down Hamas as we know it. You have to occupy the area and to get people you can live with there.

Hamas doesn't want a two-state solution. It wants a one-state solution: the destruction of the Jewish people. The last group that tried to do that were the Germans. Look what happened: 50 million people died. The Israelis, when they say never again, they mean it.

Damn it, they mean it.

So they got to go in, and you can't just root him out. You can't neutralize him. Things have to change. And this is an opportunity to change it. You can't wait a year or six months, Gerard.

We've kind of never been down this path before. Israel is not beating back countries and pushing back an invasion.

Now they have to level an area and take it back, an area they didn't want. Yeah.

Look, I think you're absolutely right, Brian. I agree with the sentiments that Lindsey Graham expressed. There are two challenges here, two particular challenges. First, there is the military challenge. This is a very densely populated area.

By the way, we're dealing with an enemy that not only puts civilians in harm's way deliberately as human shields, which is what it will do, in an incredibly cowardly way, tries to, and Israel does play by the rules of law, of war. Look, there will be collateral damage, I'm afraid to use that term, but there will be. There will be civilians inevitably who will die. And you can't take this kind of action that Israel needs to take without it costing innocent lives. But that's not Israel's intention.

Israel goes out of its way to avoid doing that, but Hamas makes it. impossible for them to avoid doing that.

So there's so there's that problem.

So there's going to be you know, hand there's going to be block by block fighting through through Gaza with incredible casualties. Israel will sustain a lot of casualties. Israel lost 60 soldiers the last time uh it invaded uh Gaza in the nineteen nineteen in twenty fourteen This is going to be much larger than that. By the way, that force that Israel has assembled it seems to be assembling for this invasion, you mentioned it, I think, like half a million soldiers. That's as big as the US force that was assembled bigger than actually substantially bigger than the US force that was assembled to invade Iraq in two thousand three.

Iraq is a you know, a country of uh a hundred times I don't know, many, many, many times the size of Gaza.

So th this is going to be an incredible incre Incredible military operation in a very small area.

So it's going to be very challenging to do what they want to do. And then, secondly, I'm sorry to say this, but we're going to have this political chorus. from abroad, from around the world, including, I'm sorry to say, from the United States. Which, you know, because the Hamas is very good at exploiting public opinion and parading innocent civilians who've been killed. uh the pressure becomes Israel becomes the aggressor.

There are already you know, there are people already in Europe, um Brian, who were saying who were accusing Israel of war crimes For cutting off the electricity and water supply to Gaza. This is literally part of the conversation in Europe that Israel, less than a week, and as we are still recovering bodies of those people who were massacred by Hamas, it's Israel that's being accused of war crimes. It faces the immediate military challenge, it faces the wider political challenge, which is going to be difficult. I mean, I don't doubt Israeli determination, they will go ahead and do it. And then the other challenge it faces, of course, too, is.

We know that we know, again, despite what the administration has said, we know that Iran is deeply implicated in this. And that challenge has also got to be met at some point because it just won't be good enough. Even if Israel is able to overcome those challenges and inflict massive damage on Hamas, it It doesn't change the fundamental picture, which is that Iran, the puppet masters of these people, Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south. is committed to wiping Israel off the face of the earth. And that challenge That threat is I'm sorry to say this, but that has got to be dealt with at at some point, and uh that's going to just adds to the complications and to the risks here that this escalates into a much wider conflict.

The previous administration had them weaker than they've ever been in my lifetime.

So I wouldn't mind going back to that. This is what the New York Times wrote, this R. David Hardin, who's a former assistant administrator for USAAID and Bureau for Democracy. He says, It appears Hamas wants to draw the Israeli soldiers into a quagmire, like Hezbollah did in southern Lebanon from 1985 to 2000. After years of fighting, Israel suffered a humiliating and chaotic withdrawal, leaving an empowered and threatening Hezbollah on the northern border, which still might get involved in this.

Do you think that could be the game plan? Yeah, I think, look, again, let's not forget, again, I'm sorry to keep coming back to Iran, but Iran is the puppet master here. Iran is, this is the regime that is trying to, you know, trying to, essentially, is trying to achieve its superiority. Supremacy in the region with its nuclear program, with its support of terrorism around the region. Hezbollah is, as exactly as you say, and as that New York Times report says, is very, very strong, is much, much, much better equipped, much better trained.

Hezbollah fighters have been fighting in Syria for the last few years. It's a very, very well trained, very well armed force. And we're seeing we've seen in the last few days, it looks like they're probing, it looks like they're testing to see, look, if if if Israel is going to amass its entire army and almost its entire army and a huge part of its army and its reserve force, to undertake this attack on Gaza, then that does that does of course Open up the possibility that a very well-trained and armed Hezbollah could attack from the north. And I think that's what they're doing right now. They're probing and they're testing.

So, yeah, this is. And you know, again, if Hezbollah is involved, we know I mean Iran is involved in backing Hamas, but Iran but Hezbollah are the direct proxies of Iran in in Lebanon. And again, that simply points to a much more significant escalation of this war. I want you to bring it to what Dave Ignatius wrote today: great connections on foreign policy. He said, What other surprises do they have?

For them to have planned this well this long, there have to be another step to this. Hamas must have anticipated Israel would attack Gaza in revenge. What defense are they preparing? According to one Western official, the intel services of Jordan and Egypt, as we initially mentioned, gave Israel a grim warning that agents inside Gaza report that Hamas has prepared improvised explosive devices, anti-tank weapons, and other defenses, along with avenues to approach the enclave.

So they're going to go house to house in a very dense situation, more challenging than Fallujah. And he thinks Hamas prepared for this. Very much so. No question. I'm sure this is why.

They they did this. not just because they are committed sort of institutionally committed to killing every Jew on the face of the earth, but because they wanted to provoke Israel into this massive response and to draw them into yeah, what could be I mean, I think the Israeli military is astonishingly efficient and astonishing one of the best in the world, and I think they will be able to achieve their objectives, but it will be bloody and it will be messy. I'll just say one other thing, Brian, you talk about what else do they have planned? I hate to say this, and I don't want to sort of drag kind of domestic politics into this because I hope the United States can remain united, but you I really worry about our border here and and and y you know the the what one of the lessons of this should be You know, Israel had a f Israel had a fence. Israel had a supposedly impregnable fence.

Which those Hamas fighters were just able to break through and then to cause that kind of havoc. Who is to say that whether it's Hamas or Hezbollah or some of these other Islamist groups in Africa, al-Shabaab, some of these Islamic jihad in Africa and other organizations, Who's to say that they are not steadily building a terrorist force That by the way, it doesn't have to break through a fence on the southern border of the United States, just simply, as we've seen in the last. couple of years, just has to walk walk across or swim across the river. and and conduct that kind of terrorist attack and what they could do in a place like I mean, again, I don't I hate even to raise this possibility, but you know, I I think it this has got to wake us up to the si not just to you know, not just America's obvious right for economic and other reasons to protect its own borders. But for security reasons this is You know, this is a real live threat.

You know, we're all folks, you know, we all remember what happened. We all remember with, you know, What happened on 9-11, and we changed our entire security procedures in transportation and airports to fend off the risk of another 9-11. But there won't be another 9-11, Brian. They won't do that again. They'll do something else.

And who's to say they won't exploit the weakness at the American border to do exactly that? And I just think, and again, this is that we should be focused on Israel right now. We should be focused on supporting Israel. I don't want to turn this into an American issue. But people who are listening right now want to know how it affects them.

And that's why it's such a perfect transition. And to bring that to key, Bill Melusian and Griff Jenkins came out and they talked to Border Patrol. And they said, this is a list that you should pay attention to. It's called the Special Interest Alien List. Over the last two years, 6,300 Afghans, 3,100 Egyptians.

Iran has 659 that we know. Iraq, 123. Lebanon, 164. That's what Azboll is. Jordan, 123, presumably a friendly nation, but they have terror.

Elements there. Pakistan, over 1,600. Turkey, which basically condemned Israel already, a fake NATO ally. It should not be in NATO, even though I know there are certain advantages. 30,000 from Turkey.

130 now from Yemen. That's a terror fighting force. Yeah, it is exactly. And look, we saw what A couple of thousand Hamas fighters could do in southern Israel. By the way, remember, Southern Israel, which is this is again a terrible security failure by obviously allowing these guys, somehow letting these guys get through.

But it's Southern Israel is a part of the world that has been on constant alert for. For this kind of thing for the last 30 years, we know that this is just constant, constant risk, firing of rockets from Gaza, the constant threat of terror. And those, you know, they were obviously ill-prepared for this. But think about the situation in Texas or Arizona. They're not prepared for a major terrorist attack of this kind of scale.

Now, more Americans are armed and perhaps could defend themselves. Although a lot of Israelis are armed too. But just think of the you know, a a few thousand of these guys armed who could come across the come across the border, what they could do, the havoc they could wreak. And look look at what we saw. And again, the other thing to remember about these guys Right, of course, is they're not, they don't care, they're not concerned whether they die.

In fact, you know, they kind of want to die, right? This is their, they believe in, you know, all these. In this, you know, they'll go to heaven and the virgins and all this kind of stuff. They are, they are, they are suicidal. Homicidal maniacs, and they have no fear of dying.

So, the risk that several hundred or a thousand or whatever of these could get across the border arms to the teeth, imagine the carnage they could have. Again, I hate to raise that specter, but we have to be aware of it. We have to be aware of it. But Joe, last question: Has anyone from the government contacted the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board and said, hey guys, where'd you get this information? And if so, would you cooperate?

I know nothing as nobody's contacted me and I know nothing about it. I mean, look, we take our obligations very seriously. We are obligations as journalists, and it's important for us to get information out there. But also, I was editor of the Wall Street Journal for a number of years, and there are occasions where for national security reasons, You do have to weigh whether the risk that information you're about to publish could have national security implications. It would be a very, very, very high standard that would have to be reached in order for us to.

And again, I can't speak. I have nothing to do with the decision making anymore. Just true. Just true. But when I, no, but when I was editing, when I was in charge, there were occasions where we were contacted by law enforcement or, you know, again, with the.

Yeah, Gerard Baker, I'll have to end it there, but thank you very much for that insight. The Wall Street Journal did better reporting than our intelligence apparatus. Insane. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

This is a moment for the United States to come together. to grieve with those who are mourning. Let's be real clear. There is no place for hate in America. Not against Jews.

Not against Muslims. Not against anybody. We reject. We reject. What we reject is terrorism.

That was President of the United States' speech, but he did not bring up anti-Semitism, which is seemingly behind this. He did not bring up Iran, who finances this. And now the NBC says that there's a full investigation to see Iran's role in this attack. And if they do find Iran complicit, what will they do? They'll have to reverse their policy that Barack Obama put in place.

They concluded, they surmised that. our lack of relations with Iran and Cuba. Needed to be ameliorated. And once they're fixed, the world will be a better place. Cuba's a disaster.

Still, Of course, thankfully, reversed. Nothing's changed.

Now they're more in bed with China than Russia, but both those countries.

So we went back to the other policy. They still haven't reversed that yet, I hope. And now this. They'll have to say, I was wrong. We gave him a shot, and I was wrong.

I'd respect that a lot more than we're going to investigate. When we find out it is Iran behind it, planning, plotting, and financing, we're just not going to say anything. We're going to wait it out. We can't give these people another four years. Our foreign policy can't handle it.

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. Has to cut off babies' heads and burn children alive. Do you support Israel Christ to defend themselves against this brutality? We're just gonna go through there.

You can't comment about Hamas Terrorists chopping off baby's heads? Do you come down? What Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive, raping women in the streets. You have no comment about children's heads being chopped off. That was our own Hillary Vond asking Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib why she's posing in front of a Palestinian flag the day of the attacks that wiped out over a thousand.

And I'm talking about Uh the most horrific way to die you could possibly imagine. Um the The Palestinians did that. Hamas led, did that. And yet this congresswoman From Michigan, Continues to support the Palestinians and, when she can, vilify the apartheid government of Israel at every turn. along with Corey Bush.

AOC took a couple of days, but she finally condemned Hamas. Do you believe that? Former Congressman Mike Rogers on the House Select Committee for Intelligence, now wants to be the next senator for Michigan, joins us now. Congressman, You know her district. Do you think they're happy with this?

Well, you know, we have a large uh Arab population in southeast Michigan. And a sizable Palestinian population. I just can't believe that everybody is happy about this. It's the majority. I would argue majority Christian than it is Muslim in her district.

I can't believe they are. I mean, this is of the most the easiest thing you can do is condemn people who are shooting children in the back, beheading babies, kidnapping elderly women. I mean, again, I hope she has to pay a price for this politically coming up. We'll see, but that's the Michigan you want to win over. When you focus on intelligence, you know how great the reputation is of Mussad and Israel.

When you find out they broke through at 29 separate points, five different ways, from bulldozers to hang gliders to tanks, running Toyota pickup trucks. And to think that from the watchtower, the huge open field of agriculture by that God's offense, if I told you that, that was going to be in place and that was going to work, wouldn't you have told me there's no way?

Well he You know, they had it's it's fairly automated. And you mean the attack w wouldn't work. Yeah, the attack wouldn't work because of the wall that was on. Yeah, I would argue you're right, the attack wouldn't work. But you would also have tips leading up to it.

And that would come from signals intelligence, human intelligence. Which Mossad is very, very good at, and Shinbet is very, very good at. Uh and what was astounding to me is how they the the Hamas terrorists Obfuscated their communications, meaning they used things other than. uh email and texts. And phone calls, right?

They completely went around all of those systems, number one. And that was with help with the nation state, no doubt in my mind, which is Iran. Secondly, they launched a huge disinformation campaign. Again, I think this was abetted by Iran. where they were basically trying to communicate to the Israelis Through what would be believable channels, meaning talking on phones that they believe they.

They would believe we're tapped by the Shinbet or Mussad and saying things like: we just don't want a war, we had that, we've had enough. They were taking advantage of this economic Cross-border activity between Gaza and Israel. And all of the messages coming back, candidly, I think, caught the Israelis flat-footed. They've started to believe it, which, by the way, is something we need to worry about on our southern border, right? All the misinformation that there's no problem here.

Uh by the way, there's nobody coming across to do bad things. They're all economic. Um refugees Refuge and cheese, all of that. we need to be very, very cautious of just the way the Israelis got lulled to sleep on this thing. And you're right.

If you'd have told me that's the way they were going to do it, I would have laughed and said there's just no way. really good targeting on the things that were going to make it hard to get breached that fence, by the way. Again, I think that was a target set developed by a professional intelligence service in Iran passed along to the Hamas terrorist organization for them to implement.

So there's a few things going on. The NBC is doing an investigation and it says that the White House is doing an investigation to find out Iran's role. The Wall Street Journal says it was definitive. They basically orchestrated the meetings in Beirut. Washington Post expanded on that, says it's not been worked for two years.

We've seen rehearsal with hang gliders and tanks and all the explosions. Hamas released all this tape.

So Hamas thanked Iran for helping. What if in fact everything points to Iran, let alone their financing, influencing and scripting and weapons manufacturing, what should be the reaction? After all, there are at least twenty Americans still missing. Oh, completely. And so the Biden administration has done something pretty interesting, and I think they're going to have to pay a price for this as well.

They basically made it impossible for us to produce our own oil and our own energy in the United States, making it more and more difficult. And in order to make sure the prices don't rise, they went to Iran and allowed them certain sanctions relief. And now they're producing more oil than they did in twenty eighteen when the Trump administration put on sanctions on their oil. And all of that cash, by the way, goes into this bad problem.

So I mean, the Biden administration is just kind of They're in the consequences of their actions have contributed to this event, no doubt in my mind.

So what I would do immediately is I would make sure that they pay that price. All of that oil's got to stop. You can't put it on the market. Anybody buying it, anybody looking at it, anybody that drives by it in Iran ought to be facing sanctions right now. I mean, this is the most horrific terrorist attack since 9-11.

But their customers are Congressman Rogers, their customers are Iran, China, and Russia.

So what do we do there? We can hurt China. We can hurt China. I'm not sure we can hurt Russia anymore, but we can certainly hurt China. China needs to pay a price for this as well.

They are, I mean, remember, China is the one that's propping up Russia in their effort in Ukraine. And China is also helping by buying all of the oil they can get their hands on. And because the sanctions came off, remember that. That's why they're buying. I think if you put it back and tell China, listen, you can no longer be a part of this problem or you are directly supporting terrorism.

Oh, by the way, that includes the kidnapping and killing of Americans in Israel. I mean, I just think this is the time to stand up and say we're not going to put up with this anymore. And you have to do it. And by the way, at the same time, the Biden administration said, okay, we're going to, all the things we've been doing to make us more energy dependent and more entangled in places like Iran, we're going to end that today.

Now, I don't think they'll do that, but if you do this in tandem, I think you can have a pretty significant impact on Iran. And you have got to cut off their source of income, which is the Biden administration's releasing and lightening up on those sanctions relief on selling oil. And by the way, as soon as they acquiesced and started reapproaching with Iran's secret meetings, trying to get back in the nuclear deal, and what they did, the Saudi Arabia started keeping their distance. China came in and used some influence.

So some of the people who quietly, behind closed doors, will be applauding the re-isolation of Iran the best we can would be Saudi Arabia, wouldn't they? Yeah, I think they would absolutely. They're very worried about what Iran's activities. Remember, Iran is also supporting the proxy group, the Houthis, who are in Yemen, causing problems for Saudi Arabia. And Yemen is a border country of Saudi Arabia.

And so they're causing problems in Yemen, and they're also causing problems for Saudi Arabia. They're also supporting the Shia militias in Iraq. They're also supporting the Shia efforts and terrorism efforts, by the way, in Afghanistan. And so they are huge. Huge disruptors across the Middle East.

And that's dangerous for all of us. And remember, anytime you get chaos, ungoverned spaces, that means terrorists can train, recruit. And by the way, the real target is, yes, Israel, but also the United States, which is why they were all chanting death to the United States after they had kidnapped all those Israelis and Americans in Israel. All right. So the Speaker of the House, they're behind closed doors right now.

Hopefully, you'll emerge with one candidate for the country's sake. Jim Jordan and Steve Scaleese, the finalists, here's both making their case. Cut 34. Yeah, but uh it's right now to become elected speaker and we'll know that tomorrow, but I thought it would be fun. How called?

Keep talking about since that's uh we can do an average six days, seven days I lost track of mail. Um we'll keep doing that. Do you feel like you have the vote to win? We've been building a great coalition amongst my colleagues from every swath of the conference.

So they both like each other. They're not enemies. What do you think? Who's going to emerge with that, and how should this play out? You used to be a member of the House.

Yeah, I don't know how it's going to play out. I think it's probably closer than people realize. But what I hope happens, this is what my hope is. that they'll have that vote, they'll announce the vote, one of the candidates will withdraw, support the other candidate, the winning candidate, and they come out of that conference with a unanimous vote. That would be the best thing for the Republicans in the House, best thing for the country, and it will show our adversaries overseas that, yeah, democracy's got some bumps in the road, but we can come out of this thing and still be in charge.

And I worry more about what it says to our adversaries candidly at this point with everything that's going on in the world than I do our friends. Really important to say we're not messing around. We're going to support our allies around the world when they're in trouble. And by the way, we have governance.

Now we have a Speaker of the House who's going to help us navigate some tough waters here. Who would you pick? I don't know, honestly. I know them both, I've worked with them both. I think they're both very, very capable.

I just think it's going to be I I'm not sure I know the whole sentiment of the conference right now and which direction they want to go.

So I'd hard I'd be hard pressed to speculate. Are you for supporting the war in Ukraine? I while not without a plan from the administration. They have got to come up, and here's another part that they haven't really been honest about. We're apparently supporting all of the government of Ukraine's workers.

through the World Bank and about twenty million dollars apparently of that is ours, three million from the and the numbers are round about, but three million from the United Kingdom. I didn't know that. I just knew found that out recently. I just the administration has to come to Congress and make its case. I think walking away is causes more trouble for us in the future than trying to figure this out, number one.

But number two, they need to be held accountable. You can't just keep pouring money in there, not being able to account for it, making sure it ends up in the right hands and in the right place and used appropriately. If you can't do all of those things, we better rethink what we're doing in Ukraine. How's your Senate campaign going? I think it's going great.

We just covered the entire state. We just did an Upper Peninsula tour, and it's beautiful up there for your listeners. You ought to get up there in the fall colors change. And we're just getting a tremendous response. I think people are ready for someone who can walk in the door on day one and start to work on these big, tough issues like inflation, like the economy, like that $700 a month.

That the Biden administration is costing Michigan families because of their borrow, spend, and grow government policies. Uh I think they're ready for somebody to do just that, and that's why we've just been picking up a lot of steam over the Well, just so you know, I'll be in Holland, Michigan. Uh Teddy and Booker T am doing a tour talking about all history and having fun on stage. Um, so I'll be in Holland, Michigan.

So I'll Uh would they would they is that just December 16th.

So I hope to see you there. Awesome. That would be great. Holland's a great place. Make sure you wear your wooden clogs.

I did not know that. Hopefully, they'll have arches because I have flat feet. I hope. And not slippers. Congressman, thank you so much.

Appreciate it. Hey, thanks, Brian. Bye. 1866-408-7669. You're with Brian Kilmead.

The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. What are your feelings about the attacks against Gaza right now? How can I? Look, you're looking for a symmetrical situation, and I must say.

It isn't. Um If you were dealing with a war who is between two countries, countries don't take children hostages. I'm sorry. It's against. The laws of war.

It's against humanity. It's against anything that we all believe in. Every time we had missiles, shot at us. I used to say to my children, That they should be sympathetic towards the children of Gaza because they suffer a lot more than they do. I'm not sure I still believe in it now.

So that was an exchange with another network, Andrea Mitchell, back and forth. I will say this: normally, I don't know, really. I don't even know if Hitler and Mussolini were doing that. I don't know if Stalin was doing that. He was just killing people point blank, the brutality.

But I know the Russians are actually kidnapping children.

So I don't know if that really holds up. But the brutality of this enemy With Hamas. That's what the emphasis is about. You can't say, well, hold off and watch your fire and make sure you don't tip anything over or break the furniture. While they are Taking infants and cutting their heads off.

That's what people should understand. When you see rallies in New York City in Times Square for three straight days, hundreds of people. And then you see people holding up dead bodies on their phones, pictures of their phones, missing arms and limbs, and saying, Look, we showed you, they're Israelis. We showed you, and they're bragging and they're smiling. How do you deal with that enemy?

You talk to them? George lives on WGDJ in Albany. Hey, George. Hey, what's going on, Brian? Uh a a little change in the subject here.

Will BLM be called to the carpet for the post that was released yesterday? First off, I'm a white male. If my organization ever did that, I'd be automatically labeled an anti-Semite, and I would lose everything. Will they be called to the carpet? There wasn't even an apology.

Will they be called to the carpet? There should be, but it's going to take a question. To the Press Secretary It's not going to be a statement from the White House. I mean, they're getting uh derided. wide and far, but maybe not by enough.

And they're going to say, well, it's just one chapter, because there is no one organization. By the way, I've never seen an organization run through more money, will go totally broke, nobody wants to run it, and nobody wants their money back. What is that about?

Now this organization comes out and has Hang Glider. Emblems. On their postings marking. The Israelis, who who suffered horrific loss.

So that's what George is talking about over in Albany. Will they suffer? They should. I mean, who is gonna write a check? outside Al Shorpton and probably not even him to Black Lives Matter now.

But to go out of their way After soiling their reputation by their actions since the George Floyd riot. And now doing this, can you imagine BLM on the side of a court? BLM in the end zone? Or the shirts the MLS coaches were forced to wear? And now they post for the Palestinian, for the Hamas terrorists?

David in New Jersey. Hey, David. Hi, Brian. How are you? Good.

What's on your mind? You mentioned before about maybe this attack being a diversion.

Okay. A way to lure is relevant to something. Is this possible is it possible that it's diversion from the Iran nuclear program. there were reports recently of them being close to breakout. And uh maybe the Iranian back attack is to the front of the world.

There are potential breakouts. But in the short term, I think in the long term it's terrible. It's brought all this scrutiny and focus on Iran. And if you're Iran and you really want a nuclear weapon, you want us focus on Ukraine. I wouldn't even give them drones.

I go, listen, let me finish this because I'm an evil regime and I'd like to hold the whole world hostage. But now everyone's talking about Iran. You have everyone investigating Iran's role in this. You have an ambassador, Israeli ambassador says: we know Iran was part of this. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian Killmead. All right, boy, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilming Show.

So glad you're here. Brett Baer is also in the studio. I said, Fred, wear a nicer suit than that. And he's wearing his best suit. Martha McCallum at the bottom of the hour, they do not get along.

I don't know how this is going to go. They did. We're forced to work together almost for every major news event. But you're going to put that aside for me? Yeah.

Yeah, we're going to set it aside.

So, Brett is pumped up. To the best he can, because we're in the middle of an ongoing war in the Middle East that could expand. Not only because he's anchored a special report and every day he's thankful, he also has a brand new book out this week, to Rescue the Constitution, and we're going to discuss that. But first, let's outline what's on this show.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. There are a number of members who. Want me to become speaker again? What I've asked them is not to nominate me.

They're going to do nominations. Um Tonight or tomorrow. Man, but he showed his competence with his exit interview, kind of, but kind of exit press conference, and then what he did at 11 o'clock. Eastern Time a.m. on Monday, just announcing how making it clear how ready he was for this position, but for some reason, eight people went out over 210.

Number two. I've seen some of those statements this weekend, and we're going to continue to be very clear. We believe they're wrong. We believe they're repugnant, and we believe they're disgraceful. There are not two sides here.

There are not two sides. Noted and disturbing, the anti-Israel, anti-American protests in America are popping up in universities, cities, and our nation's capital. We are a nation of free speech, yes, but we will reveal who they are and what they have to say by the way they handle this clash. Number one. You know, there are moments in this life.

Literally, when they're pure, unadulterated evil. is unleashed. A group whose stated purpose for being It's to kill Jews. This is an act of sheer evil. Going for Gaza, bracing for the unknown in what could be the most brutal urban fighting the world has seen.

We're going to bring you the war in real time and the latest on the 20 missing Americans, or as many Brett missing Americans. Great to officially see it. Do we have a number on how many we believe are being alive and held against their will? We don't. They gave us twenty as an approximate number, but it's more than twenty, we're told.

But we don't know how many are missing and how many are actually being held hostage. You know, that is the most dangerous part about what's happening here and what will happen. Because going, as you know, street to street, building to building, in a place like Gaza that has underground tunnels and booby traps and forces that are hidden, all kinds of places ready for this moment, they put the hostages as human shields in different places. And that will be the kind of fighting that I don't think we've seen really ever.

So they plan the invasion on Saturday. You have to know there's going to be an answer, and you have to know they know they're from Gaza. They took people in to say, come get me in Gaza. As Dave Ignatius writes this week, be ready for the things you're not ready for. They are planning for them to come in.

There's going to be all types of traps, going to all types of IEDs and deception. And they did not want to go in in years past. Nobody wanted to go in. But this is going to be different. I saw the number of 450 targeted attacks already from the air.

That's as of today. Yeah.

And they're trying to lay the groundwork before forces go in and fight the the fight that we're talking about. But let's hypothetical here. You don't want to think this, but you have to think it because it could happen. Let's say they march out hostages and they put them on camera. And among those are Americans in the streets of Gaza.

What will our response be? And What will the U.S. do? I think those are really tough questions that will happen in the days ahead.

So they got the brother of the mastermind, they believe, this guy, Mohammad Deef, or Deaf. He had a different name, Al-Masri, for a while. He's got missing an arm and missing a leg. He's in a wheelchair. But he evidently is being hailed as the next bin Laden or better or bigger because he masterminded this and he's got direct links to Iran.

NBC reporting, but the Washington Post did report with the Wall Street Journal revealed over the weekend that Iran is directly linked to this. NBC trying to find out. The administration says they're trying to find out the same thing. But all logic says at the very least they finance 70 percent of the organization. I mean, there's a reason to clamp down in Iran already, isn't there?

I don't understand some of the responses by the administration. I don't understand. Why they say there's no link to this. They make the point that there's no link to this particular attack. But 93% of the funding from Hezbollah and Hamas comes directly from Iran.

There's no doubt about that.

So, you know, if you want to tangentially bank-shot it to this attack, fine. But that's what they're hanging their hat on about the no connection that they see yet. It's sort of like the battle over this $6 billion. Why do they keep coming back to defending the money and not a dollar has been moved from this account?

Okay, set it aside. Just. you have to realize that tens of billions of dollars of Iran oil that's been sold to China is sloshing around and Iran is using it to fund terrorist groups.

So what do you think uh do you think right now the government's been hurt by having no speaker? Uh through this time of peril? Yeah, I I think the funding is flowing to Israel already. I do think that over time, if it dragged out, it would be a problem. But right now, if they get their acting gear and get a speaker this week, they won't miss a beat.

What have you heard so far? Odds on is Jordan, if especially if McCarthy throws his weight around. But McCarthy is kind of hanging in the wings. And You know, if they can't get a vote, I wouldn't be surprised his name floats back up. What's so interesting is when Nancy Pelosi was no longer a speaker, it's kind of disappeared for a while.

Uh now she's uh doesn't really do much. But McCarthy, I was surprised that he popped up on two interviews over the weekend and then held his press conference on Monday and then did Guy Benson's radio show, too.

So. I think he realizes, you know, I didn't really get voted out. I mean, 210 people thought I was doing a pretty good job. 96% of the cover. And I kept the government open.

This would have been horrendous should there have been an attack in Israel. And The more you think about it, this is one of those times go, what just happened? And then I feel as though he almost regrets saying that he didn't want to run. But it is really one person's idea, and seven people said, Well, if you're going to do it, I'm going to follow. And then the one that I still can't get my head around is Nancy Mace.

Because Nancy Mace does not like Matt Gates, says he's a fraud, he doesn't tell the truth.

So why are you doing a podcast with Steve Bannon? Yeah, it's really interesting. And I I think she's going for the attention play and um stirring the pot. But listen, th that's past, but I agree with you that Kevin McCarthy may be saying You know, it's not over yet. And also the thing with me, I'm not in his job placement program, but if should a Republican win?

Me, he belongs I mean, this guy could be a Gattendeva Secretary of State, National Security Advisor. He's got that kind of I did not know he's had this international passion for international relations. You know, a lot of the guys only focus on here. You don't look at John Boehner and think, well, that's the guy I want motivating NATO. I mean, but I looked at Kev McCarthy.

He's got a real passion for what's going on overseas. His defense of Ukraine was better than anything I heard from the White House. Yeah, and his connections to Israel and direct contact with Israeli officials is, you know. Extensive.

So that's what he talked about. And I think that what played well for him.

So, you know, it's so interesting. Two weeks ago, I watched the New York City Council have a meeting, and they say, We're going to decide soon in a vote, we're going to do what Washington the George Washington statues and some other Revolutionary War generals who had slaves. We might be taking them down. And Suffolk County, New York, Long Island, said, Yeah, I'll take them. And I'm thinking to myself, this is perfect for you.

You go to rescue the Constitution. You talk about Washington, wins a war, wants to retire. It's 1783. And then he realizes the Articles of Confederation are not working. It's not unifying these 13 colonies.

It's not making them into one country. Everyone's got a different vision. And it's up to Madison to wrangle that vision with Alexander Hamilton and try to get everyone together. and see if we can keep this country together. That's really where your book takes off.

Yeah, it's basically the same. Structure as these other books, and I know you have a long history of books as well. But it's the soda straw moment and then bouncing to see how that leader gets there. And that soda-straw moment is the convent, the Constitutional Convention. And you're right, right after the Revolutionary War, it's a mess.

I mean, there are a lot of colonies fighting with each other, they're battling on different things. It comes to the point where people say, you know what, maybe it's better to go back to British rule. And that is the environment in which they send out the red alarm to get George Washington to come back from Mount Vernon, where he wants to be with Martha and be the head of the Constitutional Convention and try to hold people together.

So, what turned you to this story? I know Mount Vernon is so close to Washington, you hear the stories all the time. You probably visited there a bunch of times.

So, what really turned you on to this story? You thought, I got to let people know it wasn't you win the war, welcome President Washington. Yeah, I just thought that after Going back to Ulysses S. Grant the last time and kind of uncovering some of that and how he kept the country together in the 1876 crisis and from preventing it from going back into a second civil war, that there was another moment where we almost didn't form a nation that just gets overlooked and how crucial George Washington was to that process. I talked about this with you the other day: that there was no blueprint.

You know, there was no note in the desk for him. There was no torch pass. He was the torch. And if you look at him, without him, you wonder whether we would be under British rule today. And also, without him, there was not like, well, we'll go with the other guy.

There was only one guy who was a general that wasn't in the camp of Jefferson or wasn't in the camp of Madison or wasn't in the camp of Adams. He was the guy. And so interesting that if you read and do the type of work you did, you know, Washington was always a little self-conscious about the fact that he didn't have this great education. And he's around these great intellects who had this unbelievable education. And that separated him in the long run, a good way.

He wasn't a grandstander ever. He always went in very humble, saying, Listen, I'm not the best probably for this. You know, I don't know if I'm up to the task here. He started everything with that kind of premise, but it almost gave it a bigger gravitas in the moment. And he didn't say a lot.

He was pretty silent and somber. He wanted other people to make their dissenting arguments. But then he weighed in on big things towards the end. And every time he was called, he served. All right, Brett's going to stick around, but we'll talk a little bit more about the book as well as the breaking news.

Every time I look up, Brett, I don't know about you, you see another plume of smoke. I mean, and it's amazing, too. Every time I look up, it looks like Gaza looks denser. That's how tough this is going to be. You thought they say Fallujah was easier, light years easier than this is going to be.

And you have now 300,000, 600,000 total, 300,000 called up, tens of thousands on The Gods of Border. Man, things are going to get crazy. You'll listen to the Brian Kill Me Show.

So glad you're here. Expanding your knowledge base. It's the Brian Kill Me Show. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead.

What are your feelings about the attacks against Gaza right now? How could it be? You're looking for a symmetrical situation, and I must say. It isn't. Um If you were dealing with a war who is between two countries, countries don't take children hostages.

I'm sorry, it's against. The laws of war It's against humanity. It's against anything that we all believe in. Every time we had missiles, shot at us. I used to say to my children, That they should be sympathetic towards the children of Gaza because they suffer a lot more than they do.

I'm not sure I still believe in it now.

And that is the Israeli mom. An Israeli mom of a kidnapped child was trying to get Andrea Mitchell's question and trying to get her, I guess, to say how bad she feels about the people in Gaza, and she's just not up to it. Who would be? Martha McCallum has come in. Brett Baer is here.

His book is now out this week. The book is called To Rescue the Constitution. Of course, Brett's going to be doing his show, and you just fresh off two other hours. Mark and you're doing the five. It's going to be tough, but you could lean on four other people.

Yeah.

I'm doing Jesse tonight for eight hours. Are you really? Yeah.

So, are you going to do that show? But you always do like seven shows a day, don't you? Yeah, he does.

Well, I'm just trying to make small talk. I didn't think it was going to turn into a little bit of a reactive position. I know it's going to blow up in my face. You always do eight shows, Brian. Oh, excuse me.

I just thought we would have something in common. Martha, I mean, it's amazing. You do have people who are trying to say, well, we don't support the attack, but Israel has really had it coming. You get a lot of that. You get that at Harvard, some sections, Cornell Graduate School, Long Beach State is coming out with some statements.

We know about some members of the squad. I'm amazed by if you look at any of the horror that we've seen over the last 72 hours, and we're still discovering it, to even have this line of questioning. Are you surprised by it? You know, I think in a way it harkens back to the division, the political division that we have in this country, and the political division that you see in Israel, right? There's a lot of pushback against Netanyahu.

He's now in his sixth term as prime minister. And I think in this country, there has been an effort to sort of. Move sentiment towards the Palestinians as a political matter in a lot of ways.

So you see the needle moving in Gallup polls where you've got 49% for Palestinians, for the Palestinian cause, and 38% for Israel. This is a complete change in sentiment. And I think we're seeing it play out now in terms of this story. And it is putting people in a very difficult position. You see Rashida Taliyeh being.

Hounded, chased down by our intrepid reporter, Hilary Vaughan, who's just asking her, you know, what do you say about the carnage of babies? How hard is it to say that Hamas is a brutal, brutal terrorist organization? And, you know, you can separate that from the Palestinian people, but the Palestinian people voted for Hamas in 2005, and they are the leadership of the Palestinian people right now. Hey, guys, listen, you can't have this moral equivalence. You just can't.

When you look at this on the ground, you just spent two hours talking to these families that had babies killed, had family members ripped from them.

Now, when you have a death toll count and it's on the bottom of the screen, it says Israelis, Palestinians, Americans, and you're saying essentially that it's all the same, it's not all the same. And we have to acknowledge that. And you have to say it's different. They're killing kids and civilians. This isn't military on military.

And And I don't know. I think it's important for us to see the depravity, but it's also important to say there isn't a moral equivalence. Aaron Powell, I just saw that. The leader of the Anti-Defamation League was on MSNBC. And do we have that, Eric?

Yeah, well we're gonna pull it up. I'm amazed because this is not a Democrat or Republican thing. I never thought, anyway. And the other thing is, with us, when you see. What's going to be happening over the next few weeks?

And I'm thinking, if people are equivocating now, Can you imagine when images come out of Gaza? And if you're bombing 450 times today, And then you know what it's going to be like tomorrow, and then when they actually go in, there's going to be collateral damage. Absolutely. Yeah, there is. And I think this political debate is going to continue to heat up.

And it puts, as I said, it puts Democrats and those who are. Supporting Palestine over Israel in an increasingly difficult situation. To justify that, in the face of what we're seeing, in the face of these children and families being slaughtered, it puts them in a very, very difficult and it also divides. I think it it creates a wedge. in the Democr among Democrats.

Absolutely. The music's going to come in, but they've got to be pushed all the way out of the country now. It's not a matter of pushing them back, suppressing them, blowing up a few tunnels.

So they're not going to stop. And almost every military expert says, what? Weeks, months? It's going to be a long, long time. I mean, the Israelis are blunt about it.

Hang on. And this is a huge fighting force they put together, and they all know how to fight. And they told the population: get a gun and a helmet. Yeah.

That's interesting. And they're providing them. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. I love this show and I love this network.

But I've gotta ask who's writing the scripts? Hamas The people who did this, they are not fighters, Jonathan. They are not militants. And I'm looking right at the camera. They are terrorists.

It is a barbarian. who rapes and brutalizes women. Who care kills Children in front of their parents. And then brings them over to Gaza. Who literally, we've heard all these reports and we know these aren't just reports.

These were filmed gleefully by the barbarians who committed these grotesque crimes.

So that's the head of the Anti-Defamation League on a place he's way to the left. He feels very comfortable, but he can't believe that MSNBC is splitting the difference.

Well, I could see Hamas's point. Babies do need to be decapitated as opposed to Israel's. We'd like to live in peace. Brett Baer is here, Martha McCallum here. I'm privileged to have them.

And especially, Martha, I know you're pumped up that Brett's book is out, The War We Didn't Plan on, but his book was planned and it's fantastic. It's called To Rescue the Constitution, and it just chronicles what happened in 1783 to 1789. You weren't yet in control of our political wing of our party. you weren't doing the b debates at that point in seventeen eighty three, right? Is that true?

You guys were not together? Yeah, that that's a fact. But by seventeen eighty nine, you were eligible. But you actually didn't get this whole thing until what year did you become like head co head of the political unit? Mm.

Early 1800s. Early 1800s. Yeah.

Why was that not in your book? Right. It should have been there. Should have been there. Damn editor.

Maybe you haven't shot the paperback. Yeah.

Yeah.

When it comes, you can alter it. But what he just said, he was astounded. This guy was astounded. He's like, why are we even debating this? Are you kidding?

Who's writing the scripts? Yeah, yeah. That's really something. And. I've heard that from others, you know, who've either been on the shows or have watched them, and there's just a frustration, you know, that we talked about moral equivalence.

I listen. To your point earlier, it's only going to get More and tougher and bigger as these images of this offensive start coming out. It's going to be tough for the Biden administration. It's going to be tough for countries in the region. Saudi Arabia obviously is trying to get a normalization deal with Israel.

I think all sides thought it was really close, and that could be one of the reasons that this has happened, when it happened. Yeah, and Martha, I just say, you know, I already saw some image in Gaza. I mean, they're blowing up buildings. Obviously, people are going to get caught in the crossfire. But I was also struck by Dave Ignatius, wrote a column, another one in the New York Times, that if you thought that this was well planned, and it was, the Hamas invasion, the blowing up, the bulldozers, the paragliders with dune buggies, the timing, well, everybody was their hands, their guard was down, the rave was happening.

Technology was not being used during this holiday. And then the fact that there was so much civil unrest for the first time in a long time, there were so many resources up by the West Bank. Regardless, it happened. Don't you think there's something waiting for the Israelis that they weren't expecting? Because the invasion is expected for this, and if you're a military commander, You're on overdrive trying to figure it out.

Is it just IEDs? Is there something else? You mean the fact that we haven't seen them go in yet? Right. Yeah, I've been asking that question as well.

Five days later, we've been hearing that the ground invasion is imminent. We know that the tanks are lined up and ready to go. As Trey Ying said yesterday, the lights are on and they are ready to go, but they have not gone in yet. I can only imagine it's complicated by at least 100 hostages that are being held there. There was even a suggestion of not necessarily going in with this ground invasion by one official that I heard yesterday.

That was today, IDF. I talked to somebody this morning and goes, We're not saying we're invading. I'm like, Wow. What do you make of that? I think they are mature enough to know what they don't know.

I mean, if anyone knows been battle weary, it is the Israelis. They have all this conventional experience. They also were burned in Lebanon. I know that they didn't go too far in Gaza and they pulled right back out in the past.

So I think they're thinking it through, but I've never seen a force 300,000 people. Let's say there's 20,000 at the border right now. You're not going in. I think when we went into Iraq the second time, How many did we have? I don't even think we had 100,000.

Yeah, just shy of it. But, you know, listen. They also have to be looking at the fact that there was an intelligence failure not predicting this attack, and they need really good intelligence to know what the attack on the inside looks like, to your point.

So there could be some digesting about what the heck just happened. You know, why did we miss this? As they're getting ready to fight the fight on the inside. I do think that it's. I think it's going to happen.

I think they're going to go in. I think that the biggest decision will be. you know the hostages and the difference between Trying to rescue them and trying to take out Hamas. Do you say Moab, remember the mothers of all bombs that Trump dropped? I mean, do you do that?

That blunt, that ham-handed, and dropped that in the middle of this, and you don't understand. Gaza's not going to exist like this anymore. Can you do that?

Well, I think you have to have a pretty good handle on where these hostages are. And remember, there was several years back an Israeli soldier who they could not retrieve from Gaza, didn't know where he was. They were moving him around all the time. It's extraordinarily tricky, and I think they want to figure out the best way to handle this and have the fewest loss of hostages that is possible. I mean, it's an interesting.

Equation that they're looking at. And when they say that they want to eliminate Hamas's ability militarily and in terms of governing. They want Hamas to be erased from this equation. That's not what President Biden said yesterday, right?

So here we are again. I keep thinking about Ukraine and the feelings in the country about Ukraine versus the feelings of what's going on in Israel, because we are now we have a President who is overseeing an intense involvement on two fronts, one in Europe and one in the Middle East, where we are the primary partner. In both of these situations.

So I think you have to ask yourself: what is the goal? We're still waiting for the Administration, I think, to outline what they think the goal is in Ukraine, right? As long as it takes.

Well, that's tough, right? What does that even mean? You know, it's a trickle of weaponry that we say no to all the time, and then eventually we say yes. What is the goal in Ukraine?

So, what is the goal here in Israel as well? And the president really said almost nothing yesterday in that speech. There were some very emotional flourishes, and I think rightly placed sentiment for the people who have lost in such brutal ways, these family members. But he stopped short of saying, you know, Hamas must be gone, must be eradicated from the Palestinian territory. And they're not going to govern, and they're not going to have any military strength when Israel is done.

And we backed that. He didn't say that yesterday. You know, it's uh John Kennedy brought this up, the senator from uh Louisiana. He says we've got to stop, we have to deny Iran access to the International Monetary Fund. He said Iran gained access to $4.5 billion through the IMF deal, and China had a windfall of $40 billion.

Why are we allowing that? The bulk of the $650 billion general allocation on dictators in countries that didn't need the aid by making the special allocation for the poorest nations. And again, these pages pointed out that Biden's objection to a tailored approach to what would be required to submit to Congress.

So he's saying we've got to deny them money in every way as possible. And this administration has looked the other way, not enforcing sanctions. Even though Admiral Kirby pushed back on that, you interviewed him a couple of times, and he pushed back and goes, oh, we're in for no, with you. He pushed back. Enforcing the oil sanctions, yeah.

We're not enforcing oil sanctions. Wait a second. What did you hit him with?

Well, just look at the numbers. Iran oil exports to China $6 billion in 2019. With something like $13 billion in 2020, $21 billion in 2021, $30 billion in 2022.

So if you're enforcing sanctions, how are they getting this money out and sold? And Kirby basically had an answer. There's a supply and demand in the oil market. He didn't have an answer. And you can't say that you're enforcing sanctions and all this money is flooding in.

Forget the shiny thing of the $6 billion and the American hostages and not a single dinar out of that fund. Forget all of that. Look at the other stuff, the billions and billions of dollars that is coming in. That's directly funneled 93% of the funding of Hamas and Hezbollah. All right.

I want to talk to Ken Martha about what's going on in the House today. Do you believe that behind the closed doors, they're going to decide who's got more votes, and then one guy has got to give in and just say, put it this way, it's going to be close, don't you think, between Scalise and Jordan? I mean, they're talking about redoing the rules essentially, and one scenario would probably benefit Jordan a little bit. The other scenario would probably benefit Scalise a bit. There's some interesting backstory about how Scalise's folks are very unhappy that Kevin McCarthy allowed it to be even floated or discussed, that they would want him back, that people wanted him back because they felt like that was going to eat into Scalise's support.

So there's a lot of drama. I'm not sure that Americans care that much about the internecine Republican warfare that's going on in the House. And I do think that they understand that it's probably beneficial to them to get this ironed out sooner rather than later. I think that it's really hard to say where the. A couple of days ago, I would have said it was leaning Jordan, but now I think it might be leaning Scalise.

What do you th what do you think? It goes to Jordan because he has no love lost for Steve Scalise. But I do think it's interesting that both candidates in their pitch, apparently behind the scenes, signed on to a continuing resolution to get through the fiscal year. In other words, a lot of the argument against McCarthy was that he was doing the CR. not doing each individual bill and putting it all together.

Both of the candidates now say, you know what, we need to fund until the end of the fiscal year. I remember Jim Jordan, when he came out and McCarthy got ousted, he looked like he was almost crying. I mean, he was that he just looked exhausted, or he was actually teary-eyed. Jordan was working behind the scenes on something that would be amenable to sign over the weekend. They end up having to do a deal with Democrats to get it through.

So, him and his other Congressman Perry, two big critics, he's like Scott Perry. He's like, hey, guys, work this out. They're working it out. It's like, what's the problem? And they go, we can't get the votes on it.

So they do a deal to keep the government open, which I think was smart. We'll do a continuing resolution. No Ukraine money, which is crazy. The Republicans don't want it. No Ukraine money.

And we'll move forward.

Okay, we're going to move forward. The appropriations bills they were working on. They were telling me, and you guys have better sources. That they couldn't get the Republicans to agree on the individual appropriation spells. Not to do it.

They couldn't agree on the contents in it, let alone getting a Democratic vote here or there.

So they were fighting within each other with committees debate back and forth. They don't all agree, I don't think.

So that's what was happening. They just weren't done in time.

Now, could he have brought everyone back August 1st and made a big deal of it and said, guys, I want you in the building? But in this age of Zoom and multi-communication, is it worth it to destroy everybody's family vacation after they haven't been on vacation for two years?

Well, A, I think that, you know, it's imperative that people show up for work when they have something really serious going on, and maybe they should have all done that, right? But what's interesting is that some of the people who voted against McCarthy say that the the reason that all of these things hang in the balance until the very last hour is so that people can shuttle in all of this special interest stuff that they don't want anyone to know they're packing into these deals. And they all get all of this money from these different special interest groups, and they want it to go under the radar and they hold, hold, hold, hold, and then they jam it all through. It is a ridiculously unfunctioning process, and they should be able to break these deals down and vote on them one at a time. And I think a lot of people in the country are sympathetic to that argument that some of these outliers, you know, that these eight supported because they are sick and tired of the way that this all functions, and they know that no company in America could run that way.

Yeah, the Christmas tree hanging ornaments, last second, you know, the post office that you want, the whatever that you want, and it just hangs on there and suddenly gets through because it's a giant or pharmaceuticals or defense or NRA or all those, you know, those big money functions. Am I naive to think that they were actually heading that way, though? They go, we got four done, six done. Do you think in November they would have not been done yet and they were going to do this and that Gates was right, it wasn't going to get done and it was all potting and planning? I thought they were in the root of getting it done.

70%. Yeah.

So, when we come back, we're going to talk about rescuing the Constitution. I know, Martha, you're not four.

Well, you were very anti-Washington growing up, right? Is that true? Anti-George Washington. Who can be anti-George Washington, especially when your name is Martha? I'm going to call that Allison.

That's true. Allison wrote that on the card. Don't bring up Washington. That is so wrong. I'm going to have to start interviewing.

Back in a moment. Brett's book is now out today. Of course, we're in the middle of a war that's tough, but you've got to pick it up. And by the way, the best color scheme in the history of color schemes covered is to rescue the Constitution. It's fiery, Biden-like red.

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Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, we're watching right now. It is nighttime in Gaza City, and we're keeping you up to date. You see some explosions in the background, and we'll continue to watch.

The Israelis gear up and try to find out where Hamas is thinking as they run for their lives or hide for their lives. And we try to uncover the hostages. 20 missing Americans, and Brett Baer and Martha McCallum are here. Brett just says that number is higher. Brett, this week is to rescue the Constitution.

I think it's always good, and Martha, you agree, to talk about the foundation of this country and the Constitution we seem to be debating because we seem to have a great time upsetting all our norms today. You turned me on to the compromise of 1876, 1877, when our country almost fell apart. But what they cut, the deal they cut, screwed us up for the next 60 years. Separate but equal, Jim Crow in the South. That's why I came up with Teddy and Booker T, who helped bring us forward.

We have the 1960s, but if Lincoln lives through the 1860s, we might not need the 1960s. But then you picked it up. You went backwards in time this time. And what did you discover when you started researching? First of all, there's just a lot that I didn't know.

The narratives of these characters, some of the diaries and what they wrote about. And you've been through this process, you come across these nuggets that then you piece together in sort of a quilt that makes a narrative of our real history. And so, what I'm always trying to do is. Find a really right Narrative way to talk about history and in a way that people can read it on a beach and get through it and not be overwhelmed by it. Listen, I had a great education comparing to other people when they tell me, but they never really talk about that gap from 1783 to 1789.

They didn't focus on the Constitutional Convention. They didn't talk about how perilous it was and what they had to do with the Federalist Papers. Maybe they just knew I couldn't handle it. But, Martha, did you learn about that? I mean, did you have that?

Unless you were a history maker. Unfortunately, in this country, I think you have to go back and learn things after you're done with school. Do not get that. That's pretty sad, right? I mean, when you think about it, I hear some of the candidates talking about this.

We should. We are not educating high school students or college students for that matter. Nobody should be able to graduate from high school or college without a basic understanding of the formation of the country, the struggles that came after the Revolution. I think there's obviously people graduate with a sense of the history of the Revolution, but what happened after that, right? And you think about the Civil War and what happened after that.

Those are the periods that get really interesting, which both of you have covered in your books, that talk about how difficult the process is of building a country or of rebuilding a country after slavery ended after the Civil War.

So, you know, I think you guys are both doing great work. And I hope that I wish it was all required reading in our high schools and colleges so that we wouldn't all have to learn it after we graduate. Right. And of course, World War II seems to be your area. You were the only one I know.

You actually went to Iwo Jima, right? I did. I did. And you know what? I've learned so much about that part of history since digging in, which is to me one of the best parts of writing a book.

And, you know, Brett knows that well from digging into all these topics in your new book as well. Right. And what I love too is that I think that's a good idea Is you could walk the path. You can go to Madison's house. Yeah.

You can go to Philadelphia. You can go into Long Island to see the spies. And Mount Vernon, unbelievable. What a great place. Yeah, it's beautiful.

And I loved it when the government shut down, they tried to shut down Mount Vernon. What happened? No, it's privately funded. And they pick up the ghost, baby. We're still open.

Wide open. I love that. It's the ladies of Mount Vernon. And they are so cooperative. Their library is fantastic, right?

Yeah, they're really good. Pick up Brett's book. It is fantastic. To Rescue the Constitution, George Washington, and the Fragile American Experiment, Brett. Thanks.

Thank you.