Trump raises $20 MILLION after mug shot; 77% say Biden "too old"

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Brian Kill Meet Y'all.

So glad you're here. Joe Lieberman is going to be here in a matter of moments. He has put together, or helped put together, one of the most formidable third-party organizations in my lifetime. And I don't think they're going anywhere, even if they don't run a presidential candidate. Candidate.

They have a lot of money. They got a convention. They have a lot of big names. Joe Lieberman, in a matter of moments. Then a little bit later, Mark Thiessen.

He believes that Joe Biden's evacuation and embarrassing. Exit from Afghanistan makes him ineligible, impossible to win reelection. Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. I can't wait for the Republicans to understand that they have a responsibility to work with President Biden and come up with a solution once and for all, because the American people, Have been talking about immigration for decades. Governor, stop pretending that the Republicans have to work with Democrats. It is flat-out embarrassing what happened yesterday.

New York, overrun with illegal immigrants. Governor Hokul travels to the White House. The President's in the White House and doesn't even find time to say hello. It cost this city $12 billion over the last three years, and the President won't address it. Can I just back just confirm with you that they're all in the same party?

Number two. You're part of the 23% of adults who are not concerned about the president's ability to be president because of his age and stamina. I got it. That's because you've got to do his walk. But 77% of adults are worried.

20 million and counting. That's how much Trump has raised. Uh Since his mugshot, while DeSantis impresses all by being the man in charge of the hurricane, at the same time, calls Grover Joe Biden to say goodbye as he ages before our eyes. Number one. This morning, we are learning some new details about what was going on behind the scenes at the Department of Justice after an IRS whistleblower came forward alleging federal prosecutors were giving First Son Hunter Biden some special treatment.

Hunter, high man of influence.

Now we see the son of the president was wielding power with the State Department, John Kerry, and his deputy, Anthony Blinken, at the time. And we're still to believe his dad knew nothing about his son's overseas business dealings. Senator Joe Lieberman joins us now. He's a vice presidential candidate as well, but founding chairman of the No Labels and author of The Centurist Solution: How We Made Government Work and Can Make It Work Again. Senator, welcome back.

Hey, Brian, good to be with you. Incidentally, I love that uh uh solutions, not division. Line that led to the show. That's why I'm so intrigued by no labels. Thank you.

I guess I've got to ask you about one thing against a guy you know very well. I talked to people that used to travel with him all the time, like Lindsey Graham, and they indicate he's not the same guy. And he's forgetting names of people he's known all his life, and he's slowing down marketing. If you were related to Joe Biden, would you recommend he not run? Yeah, uh I d to uh to be really direct about it, I I I haven't been with them a lot.

in recent years.

So I'm watching them publicly. Uh he and I are the same age, and uh, you know, thank God we we reached it. But uh I I really feel that Joe Biden has had And I but Extraordinary career in public service, got elected. President. I did a lot as a senator, got elected president.

And um I just think that um Really th he'd do a favor to himself if he decided not to run again and walked off the stage Um with um with honor really. Uh it it's time. You know, we all reached that time. I reached it at seventy when I thought it's time for me to go on to something else. From the US Senate.

So we'll see though. It's obviously up to him. And but this is very these are powerful numbers. of public opinion that you talked about about all the people worried about President yeah, I mean, it's amazing. And it's not it's not like they're against him on an issue where he can change his position on the issue if he could.

I mean, this is uh uh the reality of age.

So there you go. God bless him. I wish him well. I hope he makes the right decision. But what's best for our country is what?

Well, I think it's best for him and best for the country if he if after all these years. I mean, He first got elected to the U.S. Senate when he wasn't even 30, wasn't even legally eligible. He became eligible. Before he was sworn in.

So he's been in. elective office most of the last Half century except for the years between the Vice Presidency and what he ran in twenty twenty. for the Presidency, which was four years.

So What what a record and um uh you know uh go forward. I mean he's got a wonderful family and You know, it's just a personal feeling. I say it with respect. say it with affection for him because we were good friends. When we served in the Senate, it's his call.

But um uh if he asked me, that's what I I would say.

So I was on with Pierce Morgan. Last night and he says Mick Jagger's a friend of his. Mick Jagger's eighty. And he just did a two and a half hour concert. And he said, Nobody, if you saw Mick Jagger, Would say you better retire because he just got it.

And I'll have to say this: Bernie Sanders. I watched Bernie Sanders the other day doing the exact same thing he did 10 years ago.

So I don't think anyone listening right now thinks I'm putting down 80-year-olds. And, Senator, I know that you were considering Secretary of Defense. I know Donald Trump was thinking about it. And I don't think anyone would say you're too old. I actually think that if you ran for President now, you could do it.

And I don't think your age would come up maybe for your second term. But could you be President right now? If someone puts you behind the Oval Office, do you think you could make the same decisions and be almost as formidable as when you were sixty?

Well I be may be Sherman-esque. I have no Interest in your age, so you know what you have.

Well, I I I look, you know, you uh look, I'm not I feel very good, thank God. And but I'm certainly not as good what I was six twenty years ago, ten years ago. On the other hand, you do learn from experience.

So Could I do it? Of course, I'd like to think I could, but I will never do it again. It it's all individual. You know, you mentioned Mick Jagger. I think Dylan is still performing.

It's kind of amazing, but it sort of depends on the individual. Yeah, Bob Dylan looked exhausted at 20.

Well, that was. That was his shtick. At 20, we could actually still understand some of the words he was singing as time went on. You had to. Uh impute uh your own uh meaning to his loser.

Just kind of everything blends together. Senator Lieberman, you believe. When No Labels Came Together, I thought it was a radio show. I heard Governor Huntsman on the radio and he talked about solutions, but he's a Republican and did an unbelievable job as Ambassador to Russia, by the way, and he just kind of disappeared from the landscape these days. And his daughter is a fantastic anchor on a side note.

But Senator. When you saw When you saw that Trump and Biden are favorites to be their party's nominee. If that indeed happens, in April, you're going to have a convention, and is no label going to have name a president or vice presidential candidate?

Well, we might. I mean, look, it's an amazing moment because Almost fifty percent of the American people have lost Confidence in either of the major two political parties.

So now you got. Like 49% of saying they identify themselves as independents, which is much greater than it ever has been before. And as you said, Brian, When you ask them about the race being between Presidents Trump and Biden, sixty five, seventy, seventy five percent say they don't like the choice. They want somebody else.

So Right now, what we're doing, because we're committed to, as you say, Solutions, not division. And we think Trump Biden means more division. uh in the campaign and more, whichever one of them. Would get elected.

So right now we're trying to keep the door open to a third choice, which would be a bipartisan. Unity ticket. And what does that mean? We're working really hard to qualify for a third line on the ballot in all 50 states, which is not easy, but we're making real uh progress added and then You know, as I learned long ago in Connecticut politics from somebody who said to me, in politics, a day could be a lifetime.

So right now, it certainly looks like both P uh Republicans and Democrats Are headed to nominating unpopular candidates for President Trump and Biden? And if if that happens and we think A third bipartisan ticket has a reasonable chance of winning and won't just be a Spoiler, I think we will do it, but we can't decide that until we get to.

next uh March, uh particularly after Super Tuesday, primer is to to decide. And then we have a A convention, really unprecedented, a bipartisan national nominating convention for Dallas, Texas. in April of next year.

So it's a remarkable time, and I feel good about what we're doing. What's going to happen to it? I don't know. I mean, look at history doesn't offer much confidence to running Third uh party tickets to win. The last one.

to win Uh arguably was our beloved Abe Lincoln in 1860. But this is an unusual time. I don't I don't think the Anger at and the disappointment with the Republicans and Democrats has ever been greater, or the pessimism and worries. Of the American people about the future of the country has ever been more intense. They really want solutions, not division.

And from The two major parties are getting a mostly division and that's Where there may be an opening for a third ticket. We'll see. To complicate it, Cornell West is also running to the left of your former party, the Democratic Party. Here's what he said yesterday. He's a Green Party candidate, cut 11.

They are dominated by the corporate wing. They're dominated by the militarists when it comes to foreign policy. And that he and AOC and the others are going to be, in a certain sense, window dressing. The Democratic Party is beyond redemption at this point.

So he has a different view. He wants to go more to the left. And when it comes to the war, he wants no part of it. I mean, he'll never win, and there's nobody who thinks he's going to win. But if he takes 3%, that would swing the election.

Now, if you guys come in, it would just throw everything on its head. And a lot of Democrats are more exercised about no labels than Republicans. Would you agree with that? Yeah, for sure. And you know what's really interesting is you talk about Colonel W Cornell West.

Um Democrats, certainly on the left, Are much more agitated about no labels running a ticket than about Cornell West. running, but the truth is that Cornell West is much more likely to be a spoiler in the sense that he will definitely take votes from the Democratic ticket. And we think because no labels, if we run a ticket, Will run a bipartisan ticket that the odds are in our polling. shows it right now that we're going to take pretty much equally from both major parties.

So um we'll see. Look, the other danger here is if Cornell West really begins to show some strength And it doesn't have to be a lot of strength. It could be 3%. Four percent. Uh he's going to lead.

People in the Democratic Party to say, uh-oh, we better go more left than we are now. And in my opinion, of course, that's only bad for the country. In terms of policy, it's a losing strategy because the Democratic Party will lose. credibility with the with the big middle of um independence particularly that I talked about and moderate or Republicans and Democrats who might otherwise vote for A democratic ticket.

So this is a really historic race. shaping up and it's and of course, it's very important 'Cause the country has so much strength But so many problems that needs solutions and not division. Senator Lieberman, I guess. Senator, though my question is, I just from my perspective, I think what you've done is build something not for twenty twenty four, but to last. Isn't that the goal?

Do you want this to last?

So, this way you could be a factor and maybe start putting people into Senate race and congressional races. Is that not the goal? Am I wrong about that? No, you're not wrong. I mean, look, it may be that we see a moment of opportunity at the national uh level uh next year and we run a ticket bipartisan and maybe we win or maybe we uh do really well And we establish ourselves as a third Force Uh with the main message to the two major parties, come on, get with it.

And I I quote your slogan again or motto, we need solutions, not division. But it might well lead to another run for national office. in twenty twenty eight and particularly strengthen our position in uh Senate and House races. That's how we started. Uh you won.

You beat Ned Lamont after he beat you for the nomination. There you go, as an independent, right. And look, no labels has been supporting. uh centrist independent Republicans and Democrats for the last Five or ten years and electing a bunch of them that became the House problem solvers caucus in the Senate. I would like to nominate Tulsi Gabbard for your ticket.

That'll be one half. And then see what Governor Huntsman and others will do because she's quite impressive and she's not going to be outworked.

So take a look at her. That's my nominee for you guys. That's a good one. Those are two great names. Have you thought about them, Joe?

Yeah, I mean we're not we're not really N uh, I haven't, but uh she's been at some Telsa Gabbard has been at some No Labels events. She's been at some of our Calls just recently, she was on one of our calls just talking about policy and and what we're up to.

So I think there are lines of Uh, communication, but you know, in the fall, which is pretty soon now, we're going to establish a process for. beginning to consider Candidates, but the main event for us now, we got to get on the ballot in 50 states with you know how to do all this stuff, and do not tell Joe Lieberman no, he'll find a way. Senator Joe Lieberman thinks America first, always great, sir. Back in a moment. Both sides, all opinions, it's Brian Kilmead.

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You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, I went a little long on that last segment, but Mark Thiessen's next. Mark, who really had an interesting column yesterday. We're both outraged on a daily basis about the way we left Afghanistan.

Now, in The Atlantic, an excerpt from a book that talks about the play-by-play of what happened in Afghanistan, as bad as you think it was, as ill-thought and conceived as you may have concluded, it is worse. It is worse.

So, I'm going to talk to Mark Thiessen about that and what it means for electoral fortunes. Keep in mind, and you probably forgot this. But Joe Biden was riding relatively high in the polls because Everything was about the vaccine. He got 70% of the public taking the vaccine. People were beginning to go back to work anyway.

Whatever credit you want to give him, he was bin over 50%. Since he left Afghanistan the way he did, leaving all these Americans behind, not taking any blame, blaming Trump and his generals, saying no one ever advised him that this could go awry, that they'd be collapsing before September 1st. Since that time, he hasn't been over 45%. And most polls have them at 39%. And when you watch them lately, 70% of the country said too old to govern.

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. I would freeze the current lines of control. I would further make a hard commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine to NATO. That's enough to get Putin to do the deal.

But I will require something even greater in return, Jesse. Russia has to exit its military alliance with China. Right now, we're pushing Russia further into China's hands. The Russia-China military alliance is the single greatest threat that the United States faces today. And so just as Nixon did it in 1972, I'll do it in reverse.

Pull Russia apart from China. And by the way, get Russia to also remove its military presence in the Western Hemisphere. Get out of the Western Hemisphere. Presently. Reopen economic relations with Russia.

That's how we do it.

So, if you heard some scribbling in the background, it is Mark Thiessen getting ready for his next column because he thinks that is a genius foreign policy. And he thought, why did I think of that? It's so effective. All you have to do is ask Vladimir Putin to stop hanging out with China, say you can keep that 20% of a country you invaded, and then just promise not to do any military exercises with them. That's going to work perfect, Mark.

It is. I think we should put this guy parachute this guy into the Oval Office right now. World peace. Right, I mean rainbows and unicorns for everyone. It's going to be awesome.

What are your thoughts that he repeats this? And I like Vivek, but I did an interview special for his book three years ago for our channel. And everyone, I admire his success and his ability to go out there. But this foreign policy is not worthy of his intellect. No, it's not.

I mean, it's so amateurish, it's almost like criminally stupid. You know, the idea that, first of all, The Ru Russia and China don't have a military alliance. Is that like NATO, right? where you can like enter it and exit it. It's an informal, no holds barred or no limits partnership.

they announced that they before the invasion of Ukraine Xi Jinping Uh he he um he spent he had forty meetings with Vladimir Putin. More than any other leader in the world. He has been courting and forming Putin and forging this relationship for a long time. The idea that Vivek Ramaswamy is going to come into the Oval Office and somehow magically convince Vladimir Putin to abandon. Abandon the Alliance of Autocracies, the Informal Alliance of Autocracies, and join the West.

And be part of it, be with us in exchange for 20% of Ukraine is just it's.

So dumb. It's disqualified. Right, and he's not dumb. That's just it. I'm not saying that.

He's dumb. I'm saying. And honestly, with all respect. When you have a dumb idea like this, and people point out to you how dumb it is, and you double down on it. That does kind of call into question your overall intelligence.

A good point. Also, your stubbornness made you realize you don't want to back out of it. And you could I'm going to protect Taiwan until twenty twenty eight. And then I'm going to go back to our strategic ambiguity. I mean, but that's again, so what he's saying.

What I'm saying is that the only reason we have any interest in Taiwan is because they produce 90% of the high-end semiconductors that we need for our economy.

So his solution is we're going to get semiconductor independence by 2028. Which is not going to happen. Yeah, I mean, I would love it. It would you know Yeah. puppies and rainbows.

Um you know, we can increase our our Self-reliance on these things, and we can admit that, but we're not going to be semiconductor independent by 2028. But let's say magically we did have puppies and rainbows and semiconductor independence. Then he's saying after that We our commitment to Taiwan is over. And so what China hears is So I can invade Taiwan in 2028. Got it.

Marking my calendar. We're good. We need a little time to build up our military, too, so this is perfect for us. We'll cut that deal. No problem.

Go. Go ahead, Vivek. Do it. I mean, it's just, it's just, it shows such a lack of understanding of how the world works. Of how great power conflict just happened over it.

It's like a guy. who read like foreign policy book and wrote a freshman paper. Coming up with great ideas on why all the great strategic thinkers in history were wrong and came up with his own solutions, and doesn't realize how amateurish and how sophomoric they are. and is actually campaigning for president on them. It's it's so Beyond Beyond I've never Quite frankly.

never seen it.

So, in this political realm, right now, you were at a column yesterday. You and I are both like many Americans, especially those who served or have Operation Pineapple-type units that gave up their 401ks to get our allies and Americans out because of the way Joe Biden decided to leave. As you may or may not have read the Atlantic story about the play-by-play of Afghanistan, it is really more epically incompetent than you can ever imagine. It really is one guy's arrogant, stubborn approach that he knows better, telling the military, pull everybody out, we'll all be fine. And when it all collapses, he blames Trump and says, No one advised me that this could happen.

That is pure. Yeah, it is a lie, which went into your column. Tell me your thoughts about how the president didn't pay a price for this at the midterms, but will next term, next time in 24.

Well, I think if he loses the presidency. And I don't know that he will because he should have lost the midterms if he didn't. But that's another topic. But if he does lose the presidency, it'll be because of Afghanistan. in and it won't be because people are going into the voting booth With the images of the dead Americans at Abbey Gate in their mind, or with the images of the Falling off of the fuselage of American jets.

It won't be because of that, it'll be because that was the moment. when they decided he was incompetent and mentally unfit. Like that was the turning point. Look at the in my column, I go through all the polls.

So, if you want to get the actual numbers, I encourage you to go to the Washington Post and read my column. But before the Afghan withdrawal, before the fall of Kabul, Um had never been below 50% approval. And immediately after Kabble fell. He fell below 50% for the first time. Then he went underwater where his disapproval rose up to above his approval, and he's never recovered.

on that. Right?

So he's been that was the turning point where Americans said this guy is no good. Then on top of that, is Numbers starting In October, right after the withdrawal, was the first. Time that you saw that people said the majority of Americans said he's mentally unfit. He's incompetent. And his approval numbers on honesty and trustworthiness.

Before example, before Afghanistan, a majority of Americans said he's honest and trustworthy. Then they saw him lie. They saw him say, My milk, nobody advised me to keep troops in. And that wasn't true. They said the al-Qaeda isn't with the Taliban.

Wasn't true. This was a key uh Extraordinary success wasn't true, and they stopped. Listening to him, and then all of His numbers. one by one on every other issue. Because when you lie to people about one thing, They assume you lie about everything.

Everything. And so they don't believe you when you say the economy is getting better. They don't believe you when they say we got a plan to control the border. They don't believe you. And so literally, this.

One incident is what pulled the floor out from under him on every other issue. And so you Yeah, they won't necessarily be voting on Afghanistan, but every American will be voting on Afghanistan.

Okay, and 77% of the country and well over two-thirds of Democrats think he's too old to run, but yet he's still running, which is insane, right? I mean, it's not 70%. This is most Democrats think he's too old. You have about seven surrogates fanned out campaigning for him because he obviously can't. He does not do interviews.

He's been constantly on vacation. He has been 60 times he spent weekends in Delaware, let alone the Lake Tahoe excursions.

So he can't, he's showing everyone he can't do the job. This new book saying that he's always tired and that he's being treated like a toddler by his staff, that's not going to help, Mark. No, it's not, but keep in mind he won the president. that way in 2020. But he had no, you could honestly say he had no choice.

I mean, he wanted it. He won it from his basement in Delaware. Yeah. in the White House. it it it matters the what the only chance he has of keeping the presidency is if rep voters look and say that we like the Republican nominee worse.

Flash. Right, so Joe Biden, right now, if you go to the 538 average, they go back and they compare. Polling averages for every president in the history of polling. The first polling president was Harry Truman in the modern age of polling. And he is the most unpopular president in the history of presidential polling, going all the way back to World War II, except for two.

Jimmy Carter. And Donald Trump. They're the only ones who he is. Not less popular than. And with Trump, it depends on the day.

He goes up and down. uh with Trump.

So if you've got the least popular president in the history of Yeah. Why would you decide? to choose the God. Who competes with him for being the least popular as your nominee? And here's the thing: I'm sure you've also seen this: head-to-head, if you put Nikki Haley and Ron DeSandis, Trump does better head-to-head with Biden than those other two.

No one knows them yet. No one knows them yet. Truly you know that that that you could say he's that I just Don't I just don't buy that. I think that the the the problem that Trump has And why he has it, which neither Nikki Haley or DeSantis or any of the other Republican candidates have, is that he's a known quantity and. Swing voters have made their judgment about him.

So the Wall Street Journal poll by Tony Fabrizio, who's a It used to be Trump's pollster, is a pollster for a pro-Trump super PAC. He asked people who disapprove of both Trump and Biden, who do you disapprove of more? And by Biden won that by 39 points. Fifty six. I want to say it's 56 to 15.

So the Voters who disapprove of Joe Biden. Who we need to vote for the Republican. to come over. disapprove of Trump even more by a 39 point So, you know, this thing is a very good question. election is going to get to By a couple hundred thousand people, swing voters.

In five states that's that's the target that's the people you have to convince to win the presidency And I say this with sadness, not anger, because I think Donald Trump was one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime. I think that in office his accomplishments were sound. Second to none. I mean, from the Abraham Accords to taking out customs Soleimani to the economy to go through the list. He's one of the most accomplished presidents.

He th he has alienated the people. Good two-term the reason he's not a two-term president is because two-term presidents go out and convince people who didn't vote for you the first time. to vote for you the second time, and he did the opposite. But the one thing that's happening, if he finds a way to survive these cases, and if they're put off till after the election, he has done almost the impossible again. These cases, the aggression, the pure politics that are involved in it, Letitia James deciding that he inflated his worth.

Therefore, when he paid off his loans, it wasn't right. He's got no debt. He's paid off all his loans. He's got nobody coming after him for anything. And yet, Letitia James, pure politics.

Alvin Bragg, pure politics. I could argue that Jack Smith's aggression is as over his skis as he was with Menendez Edwards as well as McConnell. Virginia. And then you have this ridiculous suit with nineteen people in Georgia. And people are going, yeah, I didn't want to see Trump again, but I resent this.

And I think that that's the one thing that I, when we were having these conversations after the midterms, I didn't anticipate. But here's the here's the thing.

So I resent it too. I think they're weaponizing the justice system, two things can be true at the same time. That they are weaponizing the justice system against Donald Trump, and that Donald Trump did things that gave them the pretext to do that.

So walk with me through an alternate history of the last three years. Donald Trump Presides over a smooth transition, doesn't accept that he lost, but Invites Biden to the White House, attends the inaugural, and gives a farewell speech in which he says, like MacArthur, I'm I'll be back in four years. And then he goes and he goes to Georgia, and instead of trying to turn around the election results there. holds the Senate in Republican hands, and as a result, Biden can't spend $5 trillion. And then he goes and he goes out and recruits people in the midterm elections.

And when he finds out that he has classified information, he does what Mike Pence did and hands it back. and then he goes out and he wins the midterms. uh for for Republicans by recruiting people who could actually win races. All of a sudden, he would be upright now by twenty points, and it would be heading towards a landslide. Victory.

There would be no 100%. There would be none of this. None of this should be. Yes, they hate him, yes they're mistreating him, but he makes it easy for them. I don't want to spend the next year talking about Donald Trump.

I want to talk about Joe Biden and why he has to be out of office. And with all these cases going on, all Yeah. About is the 2020 election and Donald Trump. All right, so what changed after what changed when you saw eight on the stage without Donald Trump? What do you think changed after that this week and as we get set for the Dana Perino-Suart Varney debate at the end of September?

So, I think that Nikki Haley did a really good job, and I think she emerged. I think Brandon Sanders. did himself some some good. If you look at the polls, his support increased a little bit and his favorables went up. I think what's gotta happen here is you've gotta winnow the field.

So basically, there are two primaries going on. There's the primary to take on Trump and then there's the primary against Trump. And every debate, we should be increasing the threshold that it takes to get there.

So the first debate it was 1%, and that knocked out a couple. couple of people who shouldn't have been on the stage. There were still too many people on that stage. Yeah. In the next debate.

We should have fewer. It should be three I think they're saying it's three percent. It should be five. And then the next debate. Seven and the next debate ten.

And eventually you got to get it down to two people. And we gotta decide between those two people. And then we somebody at the EA have one person going against Trump. For the night when it comes when we come in January. If you've got like seven or eight people on the ballot going against Trump, that he's got.

Yeah. Well, that's where it is right now. We'll have to see if he gets out for that next debate. I think he might do it. But in all of those states, he's at 42, 43, 44%, which means 56, 57, 58% of Republicans want somebody else.

So it's a question of whether there is there is a electorate ready to nominate somebody else. But it's got to be one person. We can't have a crowded field. Mark Thiessen, always interesting, great column, and will tell Vivek Ramaswamy that you will not be his Secretary of State. I'm going to tell you.

I will not be, and I don't think the chances of that being necessary are very high. You'd have a hard time with those policies. Thanks, Mark. Enjoy Labor Day. Back in a moment.

Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmead. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead.

They're concerned that if they go all in on him, then in a very conservative party, that could suddenly be an issue. Because the answers so far about this from Senator Scott and from the campaign have been vague, what has that done? It's been just like in real life, it's made everyone just more curious about it. Axios is able to report this morning, the Scott Scott campaign, now saying that Senator Scott will address this issue in the next couple of weeks. Yeah.

All right, that is Mike Allen of Axios, founder, talking about Mike Scott. I did hear that at the debate. People were asking me, analysts were telling me. Yeah. You know, why is Tim Scott not married?

You know, people are asking that question in all communities. And I thought, well, it's none of your business. But then again, it is because if you want to find out who's going to be in the Oval Office, you want to find out what goes on. And I think at this point, it doesn't really matter. Do you think it matters?

Yes, and I mean, I understand his point. Like, donors want to know is there going to be some surprise that comes out, right? I mean, if there's one thing to have your private lay private, but you know, you don't want some scandal to emerge in October of 2024. But I mean, Republicans have embraced Caitlin Jenner. Yeah.

I mean, that's that's the 1970s Gold Motorway. Very transparent. I mean, you know all of the relationships, you know, it's been on reality T V, so there's not no surprise there. Understood. Um So that's an interesting way to go.

The other thing is that I found that I almost thought, and I think you know this. Nikki Haley has got some momentum. And I've always said that she's so much better than people think. Oh, she has no traction. She's been in there forever.

But people just needed to put her on stage. Vivek Ramaswamy is the best thing that ever happened at Nikki Haley. Jamel Hill going after Nikki Haley, calling her a racist, best thing that could ever happen. I thought that when Tim Scott was called out, I think that's the best thing that happened to him. You need a foil, you need a reason to be passionate.

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. All right, from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, the home of illegal immigrants, this is the Brian Kill Me Show. We're going to have John, we're going to have with us in a matter of moments. In fact, he might even be ready around now, John Roberts.

He's getting set to host his show in a couple of hours. Big hit show with Sandra Smith on Fox News channel. And he's also covered the White House for years. And he was stuck at CBS for the first two or three decades of his career, but he's so much happier now. But before we get to John Roberts of Fox, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. I can't wait for Republicans to understand that they have a responsibility to work with President Biden and come up with a solution once and for all, because the American people have been talking about immigration for decades. You believe this? She's blaming Republicans.

What a joke. Embarrassing. New York overrun with illegal immigrants. Governor Hokul travels to the White House and the president doesn't even find time to say hello, leaves him with his chief of staff. This has cost this city over the course of three years $12 billion.

We're getting 3,000 a week in, and so far, 7,000 a day are once again streaming across our southern border, minimum. Number two. But you're part of the twenty three percent of adults who is not who are not concerned about the president's ability to be president because of his age and stamina. I got it. That's because you got to do his work.

But seventy seven percent but seventy seven percent of adults are worried 20 million and counting. That's how much Donald Trump has raised since his mugshot was put public. And DeSantis impresses all by being the man in charge of the Florida hurricane. At the same time, calls grow for Joe Biden to say goodbye. As 70% of the country says he is too old, count me in.

Number This morning, we are learning some new details about what was going on behind the scenes at the Department of Justice after an IRS whistleblower came forward alleging federal prosecutors were giving First Son Hunter Biden some special treatment. Hunter, high man of influence.

Now we see the son of the president was wielding power not only with the White House, the second man in charge, the vice president, but the State Department, John Kerry and Anthony Blinken. Yep, but his dad knew nothing about it. They just, when they got together, only talked about the weather. John Roberts, co-anchor of America Reports, when we get together, we talk much more than just about the weather, and I'm willing to go under oath and admit that.

Well, you know, that's what happens when I get together with the most approachable radio host in the country. He's mocking my my intro guy. Oh, I'm not mocking. I'm appreciating it. That is an amazing slugline.

Do you want it? Do I want that same slug line? Yes. No, I'd like to be the least approachable person. You want to be left alone?

I'm kidding. Yeah. Don't come near me, please.

So I love meeting all of our fabulous Fox viewers, just like you do. I know. But on a side note, while you're on that. Is it different meeting somebody that saw you on CBS as opposed to someone that sees you on Fox? Yeah, it it means that the people who saw me on CBS have phenomenal memories because that was a long, long time ago, Brian, and I can't remember half of it.

No, I'm talking about when you were recognized, when you were at CBS. Oh, wow. Is it a different type of viewer? Oh nice. No, I I wouldn't say so.

I mean, you know, politically their leadings might be a little bit different, but you know, nice folks are nice folks.

So I'm watching now a rally in New York City with the Democratic mayor who's fighting with the Democratic governor, and a Democratic governor shows up at the Democratic White House and can't get a meeting with the President about an issue that one would argue, since I'm with a journalist, one would argue was caused by this president, but they are now arguing. For the right to get the 85,000 illegal immigrants in New York, give them the right to work. John, can you see a problem with that?

Well, I could see a problem for people who are citizens of this country or who are legal immigrants who can't find a job. The fact that it may be taken by somebody who's in this country illegally probably irks them. But I think in the overall, when we step back and take a view of this from the 30,000 foot level, It would appear that New York State, New York City, and to a large degree, Chicago as well, and other cities are finally understanding what states like Texas and Arizona and Florida have been going through for decades. You know, to a large degree, you know, northern tier states. Have been completely immune from this problem, whereas the southern states have been inundated by the influx of illegal migrants and having to deal with the logistical issues associated with that as well as the financial issues.

And now you take a look at this, you've got 100,000, I think, illegal immigrants who are populating New York City, which has a population of more than 7 million.

So it's a tiny, tiny percentage, and yet it's bringing the city to its knees.

So, what has Governor Abbott? What is Governor Ducey? What has Ron DeSantis been going through trying to deal with the constant influx of illegal immigration? And have they been running to the White House to say, we need financial help? No, they've been running to the White House to say, please do something about this illegal cross-border migration.

But they've been dealing with it for all of this time. And now New York is running to the President, even though the President apparently won't meet with them, to say, it's your fault. You created this. You need to help us.

So it was pretty amazing. They're running for help. They want to stop the border, but they also want a lot of money. And they're just taking over a city, all our hotels, over 200-plus facilities. No city's been hit by this.

Overall, if you wanted to get attention on a problem, it was genius for Abbott and to a degree DeSantis to start offering this to citizens, to illegal immigrants, and say, listen, you don't have to stay here. Which city do you want to go? You want to go to New York? Hop on. And now they have to deal with it.

And they're not even calling out Abbott anymore because they realize they're a sanctuary city and a right to shelter.

So you have those two things on the books. You can't say anything. All of this really does reinforce the notion that every state is now a border state. But you will recall that Eric Adams and Kathy Hochul and the former mayor of Chicago and I think mayors of some other cities, Gavin Newsom, of course, weighed in on this. We're roundly criticizing Greg Abbott and Doug Ducey and DeSantis for ferrying people from the South up to the northern tier states.

But let's not forget that the federal government has been doing exactly the same thing for years. And whereas Abbott and DeSantis and Ducey did it in the full light of day with full transparency, sending buses to the Port Authority and other places, a few busloads of illegal migrants were dropped off right in front of our Fox Bureau here in Washington, D.C. The federal government. Government was doing it under the cover of night with flights that would land at the White Plains airport at 2 o'clock in the morning. These people would stealthily be put on buses and then shipped to God knows where.

You know, the difference. That the southern governor is making is that they're doing this in the light of day for everyone to see. They're getting pilloried for it, but they really are highlighting a problem that the federal government has been has been dealing with in exactly the same way for decades now.

So whi we what is the strategy? You're looking you're great at looking two moves and three moves ahead. What is the strategy for this administration being that this is now a democratic White House problem, a democratic state problem? What are they going to do? Just ignore it until the until the election?

I I I don't see a solution. I don't I don't see a plan. Mayorkis still gets up in front of Congress at every appearance and says the border is closed. Clearly, that's not the case. When you take a look at the border barrier in Lukeville, Arizona, which is right in the middle of the Tucson sector.

you've got those floodgates that are welded open. And hundreds of migrants are pouring through that fence and through those holes every day, many of them with the assistance of smugglers on the Mexican side. And did anybody from the administration come forward and say, you know what, maybe we should open and close those gates? Given the forecast for the day, if there's no rain in the forecast for a few days. Uh close the gates.

Stop the cross-border traffic, then open them back up again.

Now, Ron Vitello did say that logistically it's a little difficult to do that. But what's worse, having to dispatch people to open and close the gates or leaving them open for thousands of migrants to flow through.

So it again, I don't want to say it puts the lie to, but it is in stark contradiction. What New York has says about the border being closed. And John, I know you've got a few hours to the show starts. You've got to go move with the news, but can you do you want to tease what's coming up? We have got so much coming up, Brian, that you wouldn't believe it.

We are by far the most approachable news program on the Fox News Network. We're going to be talking about a lot of things, particularly legally dealing with Hunter Biden. Bill Barr is going to be here to talk about that. Carrie Kupek as well, who, of course, was Bill Barr's spokesperson at the Department of Justice. She is now our legal analyst.

And we're going to be talking about the case of a lacrosse coach, the head women's lacrosse coach at Oberlin College, who came out in support of the swimmer who finished second to Leah Thomas and now says that she has been pilloried by the college, called transphobic. The team is angry at her just for coming out and supporting women in sports.

So that'll be an interesting topic to go over today. Make sure you use some of my Shokin stuff to see if Bill Barr knew that Shokin claims that he was fired for one reason, and that was about to investigate barisma, because that was. When he was Attorney General, Bill Barr will make news with John Roberts today. John, thanks so much. You know the show starts for two hours from 1 to 3.

John Roberts will be there. It's always great, Brian, to be able to approach you and not get the back of your hand. Yes, because I have a temper. Go get her, John Roberts. Back in a moment.

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Derek Adams, the New York Mayor, is saying about these migrants in New York City. Any plan that does not include stopping the flow at the border is a failed plan.

So why aren't you guys stopping the flow at the border? We are stopping the flow at the border. If anything, what the President has been able to do on his own without the help of Republicans in Congress, something that he had to do on his own again because Republicans refuse to give the funding necessary to deal with a situation. That is, I mean, she's not even good. She's not even bending the truth.

She just makes things up. Democrats have passed nothing at the border at all on immigration, zero. In fact, it hasn't even made it a priority. All they did was make us more vulnerable, get rid of all the Our remain in Mexico policies, get twenty thousand Mexican Marines off their southern border, not deal with any of the Central and South American countries which people are crossing into. In order to get here, offering member, Trump was threatening sanctions, was threatening tariffs against El Salvador, the Triangle countries and others.

John Levine coming up. We'll talk a little bit about Hunter. But immigration is hot right now. There's a rally in New York City because it by far outside the border cities, I know if you're listening in Texas and Arizona, New Mexico and California don't complain, but I'm sure it's a mess there. But they don't complain because this is looked at, it was a hit on the administration.

So now New York thinks their answer to their problems would be first getting men out of the free food and drink and laundry game after 30 days, and then letting them work. Here's Mayor Eric Adams, cut 22. Right now, we are at a disagreement. I need the the national government, the federal government, the both houses to come up with a real immigration reform package. I need the issues that we pointed out.

And the governor has made it clear that she believes this is something that is basically New York City. We just disagree on that. New York City has Run out of room. Any plan that does not include stopping the flow at the border is a failed plan.

That is true. But don't say because Republicans aren't working with Democrats, the first thing the House did is had their meeting. at the border, and not one Democrat showed up. Here is Kathy Hokel Talking about whose responsibility it is. And trying to get them to Be able to work here.

Cut 24. I can't wait for the Republicans to understand that they have a responsibility to work with President Biden, to work with Democrats in the House and Senate, and come up with a solution once and for all, because the American people. Have been talking about immigration for decades and they want answers, but I can't wait for that. I have to deal with the crisis in our state. Yeah, you can't wait for that.

And they've done nothing for that. They won't even meet with you. And they claim you keep asking for money and you say, I need money, but they claim you're wasting the money they're giving you.

So, by the way, it's just like watching your neighbor's family fight in front of you. They're not even on your lawn. But in the middle of it, can you imagine him yelling out and blaming you? While they're beating each other up, that seems to be what this family, this Democratic family, is doing.

Now, Sheriff Mark Lamb opened my eyes to something else.

Some people believe that these cities are trying to solve their shortfall by claiming poverty when it comes to illegal immigrants and hoping to get it from the government, CUT26. These liberals, they just want to pad their pockets even more. And I guarantee you, even if they got the funding from the federal government that this governor is asking for after they said they were a sanctuary city and got what they deserve, even though I don't want it to happen to any American city, they're going to take that money and give it to NGOs, non-governmental organizations. A lot of that money doesn't necessarily trickle down to fixing the problem. All it does is go to just furthering the problem.

And then they're going to come back and say, well, if we just had a few more billion dollars, we could fix it. That's why I did not know, but I was listening to Congressman Lawler. He said that the numbers gone from 59 to 84,000. They were starting to get it below 50,000, but now the people start surging again. If you give people jobs as well as give them three meals a day, a menu, and laundry service, don't tell me that giving him a job is not going to make things worse.

Of course, they're going to stream across. That's why I fought Catholic charities, too. We're here to help people. Fine. But are you helping people?

Because of those 10 people you help, you're now responsible for 40 because the word comes out that you're helping them. And the types of dangers they put themselves in or their kids in as they send them with coyotes for a better life to get to your sanctuary for Catholic charities is too much. You have to think bigger than, well, this person came to my door with scraped knees, starving. I get it. But there's going to be 25 more and then 2,500 in a month if word comes out that that's what they get if they come.

And now we're up to 7,000 a day.

So far, in July, there were 183,000 border encounters. In June, it was 144,000. They sensed with the evaporation of Title 42 that that number is going to go significantly down because of the new programs they had in place. And in the beginning, it did, but now it's ratcheting up big time. Big time.

So that's going to be an issue in New York, in these blue states, I believe, that would force, I don't know, some of these seats to flip.

So it's just amazing. More from Kathy Hokul. She talked a lot about. Fixing the border, which he's never, as far as I can tell, has never been to, Cut 25. A lot has to happen at the border.

A lot has to happen on the board. I mean, we're still experiencing 3,000 coming to New York alone a week. I said, what's the end game here? We can manage. We can put up a shelter to take care of 2,000 people at enormous costs.

And I know the frustration of New Yorkers who are seeing.

Something that they never expected. You know, their soccer fields being used for migrants and community centers and facilities in their neighborhoods. Yeah, we wasted all this money. That's why people are leaving because you welcome them in and make them more important than everybody else. And that's why nineteen thousand students living in temporary housing have enrolled in city schools already, typically two months to eighteen years.

What's the big difference with this illegal immigrants? The big difference is That they don't have to get vaccinated, they don't have to speak the language. I imagine we're going to s give them all their supplies. I just would like to say: if we're going to be supporting organizations and countries, can we have a say in it? Because right now, come one, come all.

I agree, Congressman Maliatakis writes that it's time for Staten Island to secede from New York City, be its own state, and get two senators of their own. It's mostly Republican. The mayor doesn't want it, so let them split out. Count me in. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead.

Well, I think there's consensus in our conference now that we're going to have to go to impeachment inquiry. Obviously, that'll be Speaker McCarthy's call, but I feel like we're there now, Sean. I feel like that's imminent, and I believe that that will be a tool in our toolbox when we go to court with our subpoena. Look, we've requested these documents. The House Oversight Committee has legislative jurisdiction over the National Archives.

They've stonewalled us in the Biden mishandling of classified documents.

Now they're We hope they don't stone Wallace in the pseudonym request. There's 5,400 emails. But they are. And it's been over a year since they requested from the National Archives the three pseudonym addresses of the former Vice President turn president Joe Biden. And they said, Yeah, there's a lot of them.

We'll get them to you when we can. Most of them are schedules. Really? Because a couple of them are something to do with Turkey. And believe it or not, Hunter is CC'd in them.

John Levine has been all over this. New York Post writer has been all over the Hunter Biden story that keeps on giving. First off, James Comer saying impeachment might be the best way to go. Is it?

Well, you know, apparently opening an impeachment inquiry allows you a lot of new investigative tools to continue the probe.

Well, some moderate Republicans are not on board yet, and that could be a disaster. Right. They went through the same problem in 2018 when they impeached Trump, where there was a lot of Democrats champing at the bid to do that, but the frontline members in the swing states were kind of like, well, there really isn't a there there, and there's nervous. And for a lot of vulnerable Republicans now, there is similar nervousness where they say, well, we can't, there's really no smoking gun tying Joe Biden to any specific crime.

So there's nervousness. And there isn't a smoking gun tying Joe Biden specifically to any crime that I can name right now, but there is an enormous amount of smoke. That Perhaps bears further inquiry. And there is the Obvious question of that he lied to the American people when he said he never had any involvement in his son's overseas business dealings, which begs the additional question of why would he lie in this way? What was he trying to?

Cover up here.

So now we find out there's correspondence with John Kerry's office. Hunter Biden, John Kerry's office. The entire federal government was leveraged to service Hunter Biden's businesses overseas. There was talk, I mean, if you look at the Romania case where he was trying to get that convicted criminal to his charges to go away, he's living in exile in Barbara now. Yeah.

Papavicciu, I think, is his name. He was leveraging the U.S. Embassy in Romania for contacts, and there were a lot of emails between him and the Romania ambassador, close Biden friend. And He was very able to seamlessly leverage the U.S. government to integrate it into his businesses.

And I think that alone is something that I think could merit an impeachment income.

So, Daily Mail has that story with some emails that show, number one, that Victor Newell and Victoria Newhan, the whole letter, not just excerpts, was praising Shokin for how good he was doing. Keep it up. I know it's hard, but it's not insurmountable with the exact words. Also, it shows Hunter was maneuvering with David Boyce's law firm in order to help save the CEO of Burisma and put pressure internationally. Why would Hunter be getting involved with things like that and the term DC used instead of the vice president?

I think Victor Shokin is at the heart of all of this stuff. And you did a fabulous, fabulous interview with him. And I am - I worry for his safety. He worries for his safety. And he should worry because he is at the heart of all this stuff.

He was investigating Burisma. We know Devin Archer told the House Oversight Committee that Burisma wanted Shokin gone, get rid of this investigation. He says, We called Hunter called back to DC. Who is DC? Come on.

And then all of a sudden, Shokin is gone. You have Biden bragging about forcing him out or threatening to hold U.S.AID. This is as close as you get. Really, it is. It's open and shut.

Like he was acting on behalf of a foreign company and influencing U.S. foreign policy on behalf of a foreign company because his son sat on the board. That's it. And then you've got, in addition to that, the FBI document where the head of barisma is joking about how he has audiotape recordings of Hunter and Joe and leverage, and he's paying them both off. And this is not some steel dossier oppo file.

This is a credible FBI source provided this information.

So here is Victor Shokin saying, and this is why this is key, because they say Viktor Shokin was not pursuing burisma that would have hurt Hunter's interests. He got fired and was told to be fired because he was not prosecuting crimes in the transition from Pershenko to Yanukovych after the election. But Victor Shokin says that is wrong. Listen, cut. four.

I have no doubt that there were illegal activities engaged in by Purisma. As a matter of fact, the criminal case had been started before me. It continued to expand, and Porczevsky, who at the time held the post of minister and was the founder and CEO of Purisma, started bringing in people who could provide protection for him. Hunter Biden was among them. And the corruption network expanded as a result.

So, yes, to answer your question, there's no doubt in my mind that Purisma was engaged in illegal activities. You know, something in your interview that I liked a lot was when Shokin said, They always say I'm corrupt. He's a corrupt prosecutor. We have to fire that corrupt prosecutor. What single example of corruption can any of you point to?

And it's like, I'm thinking, I was like, you know what? Yeah, there's nothing. It's one of the things that just gets said. You're saying, well, he didn't prosecute people. That's not really corruption.

Like, we have a prosecutor in New York that doesn't prosecute people all day long for a living. Like, you know, that's not a fireable corruption offense. You want him more aggressive.

So what I did is on those stories, they had the headlines of corrupt prosecutor fired.

So I put the headlines in the story, but I read the stories. And all it would say is, you know, he's corrupt. Corrupt. And the corrupt, as people know, internationally known as corrupt.

Okay, but what? And so I said to him, why don't you sue for defamation? He said, you need money to sue. I'm living on a fixed income, and I get roughly $800 a month to live here in a war zone. And I've been killed, tried to be killed twice.

At the end of this, he said, I have a book to write. Do you know a publisher? And do you know anybody that can bride suggestions? Security for me. It was unbelievable.

We were off the air, basically, and he asked that. He's just a guy. I think he is someone that we should provide some kind of asylum to. Obviously, Current administration probably is not going to perceive that. But if there is a change of leadership in Washington at the White House, that's got to be a priority: making sure Shokin is safe and protecting him.

Because he's really a heroic figure. He's a whistleblower. He's sound. Again, we still don't know what is true, what isn't true, but from the looks of it, he was trying to do the right thing. There was major corruption at Barisma that he was investigating.

There was major wrongdoing. And Hunter was clearly on the board to provide a gateway point to the father. He had no relevant energy experience. The FBI file makes this very, very clear.

So, you know, right off the bat, you know, Barisma is clearly a shady company for doing such a thing.

So, Hunter Biden's law firm. Exchanged one thousand plus emails with Joe's VP office.

Now, that firm was Rosemont Seneca. I think there's a story here, and John Kerry's son was a partner in that. and out of nowhere he left Devin Archer and Hunter alone.

Now did he find sense that his dad said, What are you doing? You're going to make, I'm Secretary of State, get out of there, like the Vice President should have done? Did he just say to himself, I want to backpack through Europe and I can't do that when I have a full-time job? But John Kerry was asked to speak at Hunter Biden's class. I didn't know.

Hunter Biden was a professor at Georgetown. I didn't know that.

So he said, this correspondent said, would you come and speak? And he's like, I want to go do this.

So he had a relationship with the Secretary of State. Father is Vice President of the United States. He's got this international business going. No wonder people are trying to hire him. I think John Kerry is an undersung part of this whole story.

And as the investigation continues to expand, you may see more questions coming to him. You know, can you explain everything you just said? And I think. Maybe he said to his son, get out now while you still can. But look, Kerry was a U.S.

Senator. He was Secretary of State. He ran for president. And he, I believe, does he still have that job in the White House? He was like a climate.

He's a czar. Yeah. So he's still a very relevant figure in the U.S. government. And I think.

Yeah, there's probably a lot of grounds to bring him in for questioning, to sort of figure out what we know, what we don't know. John Kerry was one of the first established senators, politicians, to endorse Joe Biden, even when he was losing.

So there's loyalty there, and there's probably some payback involved.

So another name is coming up, and Comer's ready to bring him back. Cut too. I expect to see Tony Bobolinski in front of an oversight committee hearing very soon. I think he wants to tell his story, and I know the American people want to hear the story.

So we're definitely going to hear from Bobolinski very soon. With respect to Sherwin, we've been trying to communicate with Sherwin. But look, Sherwin's going to have to answer for all of these transactions. And where you referenced, Sean, where Hunter Biden was paying for things for Joe Biden. In these accounts, these are the accounts we're now asking for, and these are the accounts we're probably going to head to court in the very near future to try to obtain.

And Sherwin was the why. Tell me, John Levine, why do you think Sherwin's important?

Well, there's two names there. I mean, I love Tony Bobolinski, but we've heard a lot from Tony Bobolinski already. And I hope if he has any new information to provide, that's great. But the real money name there is Eric Schwarren. Eric Schwarren was the CEO of Rosemont Seneca, which is Hunter Biden's investment firm.

But he basically acted as sort of a CFO of the Biden family office, right? He handled all of Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's money. And a lot of times their accounts were commingled. He had access to Joe Biden's tax returns. He was very intimately involved in the president's personal finances.

And He is a constant feature on in the hard drive on emails between like two thousand nine to twenty nineteen, a full ten year spread. He had his fingers in everything. He's the most consistent business partner. He even more than Devin Archer, I think, knows everything. And he's the money guy, essentially.

So Eric is the key to all this.

Now, what I've heard, and if you believe the House Oversight Committee, I do, he's cooperating with them and he will eventually come in to testify. But I ask every single week, they're sick of hearing me, when is swearing coming in? When is Schwearin coming? And they say, John, it's happening.

Soon. And um we'll get that eventually, and I think there'll be some major bombshells from that guy. And the question is, will we be honest? Because Archer's still holding back, in my view, because he hasn't been sentenced yet. Archer's definitely holding back.

So, what is call when Archer says Hunter would call back to DC? That's not what does that mean? Who is DC? He's definitely holding back.

So, when you watch the interview he gave online, you see the grimaces and the giggles. You know, he's holding back because he could be looking at substantial time in jail for something totally separate. Right. It seems he seemed to have smuggled or swindled some Indian tribe out of their investment. Which do you have an ounce of integrity in you?

Archer is not a good guy. I mean, it's like birds of the feather, Hunter and Archer.

So he separately swindled some Native American tribes out of millions of dollars, some terrible scheme, and he's going to prison for unrelated federal charges to relate to that.

So. Yeah, he he obviously could say more. And Schwarren, look, he's someone who probably he has his attorneys. He he he doesn't want to say anything that'll incriminate himself, obviously. He's not charged with anything as far as I know.

So so, John. The reason why Bob Olinski matters now is because Bob Olinski gave us so much so quickly, we were like hitting, you got hit in the face by a blizzard. And we said, okay, let me jot this down. Can you back this up? What do you mean he's the big guy?

What do you mean you met him at the Beverly Hilton Hotels behind a podium after hearing him speak? What do you mean that you were asked to, and then you got double-crossed by the so everything was so new. But now everybody's getting the competency that you and Miranda have helped give everybody through the New York Post and others. And we got the competency.

Now he comes in and we go, Oh, okay, now I know what you mean. And he is the link to say Joe. He's the one who Jim Biden said, don't ever bring up my brother, don't ever put his name in anything.

So to hear that publicly Is almost similar to the whistleblowers coming out and going, David Weiss. Is screwing this up on purpose. And I'll tell you, I took real time, I memorialized this in real time. You gave me competency now. But if I got those IRS guys two years ago, they'd be like, Hunter, you know, Dave, what are you talking about?

Now I can get it.

Well, we've never heard from Bob Olinski under oath, I'm pretty sure. He's only given interviews to the press, which so that that matters too, because now it's going to be, it's going to have the force of, you know, if it's a lie, it's perjury. And I do think it's good to remind the American people of everything he was saying. But I have a high bar for new information. And if he's going to come and testify, I think that's great.

But I'm hoping he can provide more information than he's had so far. And he also has stuff, I think, that he's held back. And I'm hoping just a hunt.

Well, he's got to protect himself. He's got to protect himself. I don't want any, you know, he. you know, everything about Hunter there's it's it's wrapped up in so much, you know, Potentially illegal behavior. A lot of these guys have to be careful.

They don't incriminate themselves. But I do think Bob Olinski. Has more he could say than he's even said up till now. I go back and forth with him. I tried to get the first interview, and he did the right thing going with Tucker at bigger show.

But guys, I knew his wrestling contacts. I have a bunch of people that wrestled with him at Penn State, and they go, you know, he's a good guy. And he walked on, and he's an animal, and he's tough. And then you look at his background, he became a military officer and then a self-made multi-millionaire. He did not need any of this.

No. But he's a patriot, and he's concerned about the country.

So all I can tell you is: if you're listening saying, I don't know anything about him. Guys that I know extremely well, one I've known since second grade tells me this guy is real and he's authentic and you don't want to fight him. Yeah, no. I mean, I've had many dealings with him. He's always been a straight shooter, a rock-solid guy.

And, you know, I've never had any instance where I felt he was being untruthful. All right, back in a moment. A couple more minutes with John Levine, for example. Like, where's this heading?

So John makes these big stories, puts them on Friday, and then I have to read this stuff over the weekend. I got nobody to talk to about it. I got to get to the bottom of that story in a moment. Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead. A talk show that's real.

This is the Brian Kill Me Show. John Levine here with the New York Post.

So, John, there's a few angles to go on here. You have to wonder what those 5,400 emails are saved from the National Archives. And just for the record, These are the same National Archives who were desperate to get that top secret stuff back from Donald Trump to the point where they call the FBI. This is the same one that clearly has waited a year and a half to get them emails. If they were nonpartisan, they get the emails they requested.

Right. I mean, I think the idea that they're nonpartisan is pretty much out there. I always thought before this, I thought archives were nonpartisan. No, it's shocking how the allegedly nonpartisan organs of the U.S. government have obfuscated and stalled, and it appears to be an effort to run out the clock, hope that Democrats take back the House and shut the whole thing down.

I mean, the FBI is a great example of that as well. They fought to not release the document showing that Barisma had these recordings.

So, yeah, the archives is partisan. They don't want to cooperate. And now we have the existence of these thousands of emails. And what do these say? And that's going to be another fight getting access to those.

But I'm sure we will, because at the end of the day, these things, these institutions have to be accountable to Congress. That's it. Here's Kimberly Strassel of the Wall Street Journal cut three. Two very disturbing things about this email thing. One is that while the volume of email is new, the number that are sitting in the National Archives, we've actually known about these email addresses for two years.

Senators Grassley and Johnson sent letters demanding information about those names, and they still have not been given access to them.

So the White House is blockading that. The second thing is, you see there, those are private email addresses. Remember Hillary Clinton? How many of those did Joe Biden willingly send over to the National Archives, but how many didn't get sent back over in the end? Those are legitimate questions, too.

If he was using government business on those accounts, can we be confident that there's a full record of everything that happened on those accounts? Mm. Government business on private accounts. Where have we heard that before? Exactly.

Big problem. What about the explanation given? Why are you using aliases?

Well, because to throw off the Chinese? Really? We can't protect the Vice President and President from the Chinese's emails. If it's also innocent, then just put the emails out. You know, if there's classified material, which by the way, that would be a whole other can of worms, but if there's anything that's that sensitive that we can't see, But they're saying it's just calendars and nothing.

Release the emails. Again, sunlight is the best disinfectant. What are they trying to hide? It just looks suspicious when they're not. Straight with the American people.

This is what Rudy Giuliani was pursuing. In a way, William Barr, if he was pursuing it, as Department of Justice, they would have been somewhat suspicious because Joe Biden potentially would be another rival, political rival. But this is the story that Rudy was trying to get at. These emails will be very important and they will be released. And will you have a column out over the weekend or is Labor Day a time in which everyone's at the beach?

No, I'm working. I'm going to have stuff this weekend. You will? Yep, absolutely. And you're not going to tip me off again.

Nope. You'll have to read it in the paper. Thanks, John. Kinda. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division.

It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Brian Kilmead here. This is the final hour of the Brian Kilmey show just this week. Matt Whitaker is standing by, and then Tyrus, two punishing, great athletes, by the way.

Matt Whitaker, a college football player, and Tyrus, also a college football player, who went wrestling, just retired. And now we're going to just dial up the intellectual level. Neither one of these men have to throw people around anymore.

So before we get to them, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. I can't wait for the Republicans to understand that they have a responsibility. To work with President Biden and come up with a solution once and for all, because the American people. have been talking about immigration for decades.

Kathy Hokul, disingenuously blaming Republicans for what's happening at the border. Stop laughing for a second. Let me finish. Embarrassing. New York is overrun with illegal immigrants.

Governor Hokul travels to the White House. The president is there and sends his chief of staff. He doesn't even come by to say hello. My goodness, it's cost this city $12 billion over the last three years since he took over. And he does not provide the money, but does provide the illegal immigrants.

I've got to give him that. Number two. So you're part of the 23% of adults who are not concerned about the president's ability to be president because of his age and stamina. I got it. That's because we got to do his work.

But 77%, but 77% of adults are worried. Watch him? Yeah, we've been watching him. It's a horror show. 20 million accounting.

That's how much Trump has raised since his mug shot went public. As well as Ron DeSantis not raising money, but showing he can lead by how well he did just that with Florida and the hurricane. At the same time, calls Grove for Joe Biden to say goodbye as he ages before our eyes. Number one. This morning, we are learning some new details about what was going on behind the scenes at the Department of Justice after an IRS whistleblower came forward alleging federal prosecutors were giving First Son Hunter Biden some special treatment.

There you go. Mark Meredith helping us out. Hunter, high man of influence.

Now we see that he was corresponding with the Secretary of State John Kerry. Yup, his dad knew nothing about his overseas business operations. Never came up. But did he call into business meetings to talk about the weather, too, with John Kerry? I don't think so.

With me right now is Matt Whitaker. Hey, Matt, how are you? Hey, good morning, Brian. Good to be with you.

Well, first off, on the President of the United States, publishes a mug shot and gets $20 million. Both scenarios I never thought I would say out loud, but it happened. Yeah, well, two thoughts on that is first of all, you know, this was the left's desire. You know, they were so disappointed in the first three indictments that they weren't able to get that that iconic mug shot. They finally got it, and obviously it's blown up in their face.

I mean, that you know, I know people that are getting the New York Post the front page and getting that frame and putting up in their house as a work of art.

So, you know, obviously, Trump and President Trump and his supporters think that he has been wrongly targeted. I've never seen uh the use of uh Prosecutorial. assets and investigative assets. Targeted at one citizen ever in the history of the United States of America.

So this is. Not only unprecedented, you know, that word just doesn't seem to do it justice as we talk about these things, but. You know, obviously the President's supporters is Small dollar. Ordinary Americans that know his policies work for them are rallying. Matt, my question is going to reveal I didn't go to law school, so most of my audience, so I don't feel as guilty.

But first off, We know 19 people are going to be tried, and if the prosecutor has her way, Fannie Willis, all at once.

Well, they've already severed one off. He is now doing his own thing. And now we want another one. Eastman says, I want to do my thing. And then Fannie Willis goes, I want everyone tried in October.

Who ultimately will decide if this happens and who gets severed, Cheeseboro gets severed or not? Yeah, well, because you have a bunch of lawyers who are giving advice to a client, you know, that's going to be very complicated in trying to navigate that. And, you know, I think one of the things about law school is you need to appreciate Brian, is all you have to do is be able to read a lot at the end of the day. But, you know, that being said, I think this, you know, Fanny, you know, may have a desire to get this case resolved in the easiest way possible, which is all at the same time. But because of the conflicting interests and the advice of counsel defense, that ultimately will be the center of this for President Trump and most likely people like Mark Meadows, who took the advice of people like Rudy Giuliani and Eastman and others.

I think you're going to see this start to string out kind of like a um I don't know, a a logistics caravan sometimes will will string out. And so I think you're going to see these Start to happen in drips and drabs, and everybody's going to want to go or after the per you know, the next person. And so I think you're going to see sort of the timeline really get extended over the course of the next month or two. Timeline for everyone or separately? Is that October date that Cheeseboro wants to go?

Is he going to do that? Am I not to think that that's in stone?

So obviously, speedy trial is a right of the defendant. And so since Cheeseboro is a defendant, he should be entitled to go when he wants to go. And the government's going to have a hard time arguing Against that, but that is going to probably be the pivot point for a lot of these other cases. Uh and if you know if they ultimately lose that case for example then you know the rest of them you know could Could be looked at under a new light. It's legally fascinating, but it's hard to predict because.

Each defendant has their own unique rights, and whether they exercise those, especially speedy trial rights and other constitutional rights, is going to be up to them. See, Matt, what I don't get is. They're all they all have different so uh uh um They all have different infractions.

So how can you possibly try them all? You know, one wants to do delegates. The other one wanted to do January 6th. The other one was accused President Trump is accused of exto who knows what he's acc I'm not going to get into it, but you know, his phone call there where he wants to go find votes, whatever you want. But they all did different things.

Yes, they did. And this is, I think, the challenge with a RICO conspiracy is trying to put all these disparate acts under the umbrella of the RICO conspiracy. I think it's a very aggressive strategy that she has chosen. It's no one's ever done this in the context of politics or political law. And then remember, there's an overarching constitutional right to free speech.

And so, you know, the you certainly have an ability, as the President did when he called Raffensperger, to call a Secretary of State up. And then the the jury is going to have to decide whether that was a cr a criminal act or whether he was just calling saying, hey, I'm Down 11,000 votes, and you know, there's a lot of irregularities in Georgia, and so fine. You know, I mean, you know, I mean, again, this is going to be up to a jury. I think that, you know, for me, Brian, the speedy trial issues are interesting. Who goes first is interesting.

But I think the most interesting issue is whether this gets removed to federal court, because that changes the whole complexion. You get a different judge. You'll get a different jury pool, a broader jury pool, much more likely to pick people that are sympathetic to Donald Trump and his. uh and and the people that were involved in 2020 election so There's a lot of moving parts. I'm always going to be willing to come on your show because I love doing this show, Brian.

Former Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker with us.

So, Matt, Meadows goes out there, the tip of the spear. He testified for about four hours. About why he needs to go to a federal court, but they started trying the case a little bit, asking why he did certain things. And I'm saying to myself, wait a second. I just thought they were just going to present the reason why they think it's a federal case.

He was chief of staff. He was president of the United States. This all happened when the president was president of the United States. It was about a federal election.

So instead, they start asking him why he did certain things, how he dealt with Trump. Were you surprised all that came up? Yeah, so I've been in that chair. I've been a prosecutor with a defendant on the stand in a preliminary pretrial hearing on a particular issue. And there's a scope issue, and obviously, the defense lawyer probably should have done a better job of objecting to the line of questioning on scope.

But it was pretty clear to me, sort of understanding what was happening. Is that they were happy for him to tell his story.

Now, that goes, that's inconsistent, Brian, with typical defense counsel advice, is which you don't want your client to tell their story more than once. But be here or there, I think they obviously wanted to get Mark Meadows' narrative out there, and they were happy to not object to the scope issue of that line of questioning.

Now, obviously, the whole ball of wax for Mark is going to be whether or not he was acting in the confines of his role as chief of staff. I think it's pretty clear he was acting in that role. He was serving the president. It's a very broad latitude as to what you do in the capacity as chief of staff. And so this, I mean, this is this is again unprecedented.

So we're going to this case, at least as it relates to Mr. Meadows, is going to twist and turn through the appeals court because whatever the judge decides whether to remove it to federal court or not, that's going to be reviewed by appellate courts. It'll probably be much more favorable to his arguments. Last question about this, and that is: if Mark Meadows gets through to Federal Court, you see Fannie Willis appealing. I don't think there's any doubt about that.

Okay, so he gets appealed either way.

So if he goes to federal court, does that help the other 18 go there too? Uh Maybe. Um that you know, that's always an interesting tension between state and federal courts because you're dealing with dual sovereigns under our constitutional system. And if one isn't willing to relent, if the state court is wanting to hold on to the case, or some of the defendants and certainly the prosecutor is. That's going to present a really a challenge.

Obviously, the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution. Gives the federal courts the leg up to be the ultimate decider of that, but I don't think it's. it's going to be as clean cut as maybe uh most lawyers like me would think it should be.

Okay, and we'll see what the timing goes with all that. Why do you think it's important to find out if Willis and Jack Smith were talking to each other and coordinating?

Well, I think ultimately, if the prosecutors are sharing information and coordinating, it emphasizes the targeting of Donald Trump and his allies and how they used The awesome powers of both state and federal government prosecutorial resources to target Donald Trump. And I think the American people need to understand. kind of how desperate they were to bring every squeeze, you know, essentially squeeze everything out of the fact pattern and then decide who's going to take the cases.

Okay, I want to go to the civil court, civil trial.

So Letitia James says, I don't need to go to court. It's so obvious that he inflated his income in order to get loans and buy things that he shouldn't have been eligible for, even though, and no one argues this, nobody, no bank says I have a complaint. Nobody has not gotten paid back with interest. They just decided he inflated his income. Because of that, we don't even want to have a trial.

Let's work on the penalty phase. Trump says, I want to dismiss the whole thing. Matt Whitaker. Analyze this case. Yeah, she's not going to be able to just unilaterally make a factual statement and then get to the penalty phase on that.

That's not the way due process works under our system, Brian. You know, this is the, you know, when you have real estate assets or you have illiquid assets, I mean, obviously, what their valuation, if you're going to get a loan, the court, you know, the bank would ask you what they're valued at, and you state a number. If the bank disagrees with you, they can obviously get an appraisal. They can obviously do their own due diligence.

So I think this case just really is way aggressive for what she's allowed to do under the law. And I think she obviously campaigned on getting Trump, and that's what she's trying to do. She's trying to bankrupt him. She's trying to make it and she some of the things have been thrown out there that we will liquidate your assets and prevent you from ever doing business again.

So they'll take his buildings, his golf courses, who knows what else what other interests that he has, although he puts his name on everything, it's hard to see where he'd be a minority owner anywhere, and just prevent him from doing business in New York again. I mean It sounds a little bit like the tyrants we uh we re revolted against in seventeen seventy six, doesn't it? Which, by the way, they had no problems with Trump when previous administrations begged him to buy a rink and fix it in Central Park. Another one, Bloomberg, begged him to revitalize the Bronx golf course. Everybody wanted his money when they were looking to run for office.

But this same guy now is being targeted by people who see pure politics in this. It just bothers me. That our system could be abused like this. I don't care what you think of Trump. They clearly are targeting for political reasons somebody they don't like.

That should not be possible. Yes, Brian, I couldn't have said it better myself, and I completely agree with you. It is extraordinary how New York City took advantage of Donald Trump. And then now they're trying to put him out of business. It's just it's it's I've never seen anything like this.

I mean, you point out some of the things that he did. For the city and for the state. And it's just, you know, it just shows you that the politicians on the left can't be trusted. And, Matt, is this why people, a lot of them, do deals? They might be innocent.

They feel they have a shot, but they can't afford the attorney fees. Their business going into hock, their lives going on hold till they cut deals. They're trying to wear this guy out. Yes. Sometimes the process is the penalty, and you're seeing that in this case.

You're seeing Um so much of uh the weight of the government being used to you know, twist him and make him spend a lot of money to defend against a lot of spurious accusations. All right, Matt. We'll see if he goes, if he gets the nomination, wins, and see if he gets Matt Whitaker as Attorney General. Let's see if he can afford you. Matt Whitaker, thank you.

You got it. All right, meanwhile, we come back. Your calls: 1-866-408-7669, Brian Kill Me Show. Learning something new every day on the Brian Kill Me Show. A radio show like no other.

It's Brian Killmead. She had an answer on abortion that a lot of Republicans said that's a practical answer that is better than what the party's been saying a lot of times on that. And so I'm hearing that there's a lot of Republican donors who are offering to hold events for her. And when you're in a candidate in a crowded field this far out, there's no call you'd rather get than someone from a donor, someone with a lot of money, and/or a lot of friends. And funnily enough, a lot of people with a lot of money have a lot of friends who want to do an event from you.

From Democrats, I'm hearing that they say if somehow Nikki Haley, if she could get past Trump, if she somehow became the Republican nominee, and there's no numerical way to see how that. That happens now, but if that happens, that she could be a very strong opponent for Biden.

So there are Democrats who say, I would not want President Biden to have to face Ambassador Haley in a general. That is Mike Allen of Axios talking about the increasingly good fortunes of Nikki Haley, John in California. Hey, John. Hey, good morning, Brian. Thank you for taking my call.

No problem. What's in your mind? I know you have a direct speed dial to Trump, so I wanted you to give him the new nickname for Joe Biden. It's Quid Pro Joe. We've got to get rid of that the retread of the crooked Joe.

The other thing I wanted to talk about was the strategy by the Republicans in Congress. They really need to take their time and drip out information as it comes. Because I think if they move too quickly, they're going to get another candidate in there if they're not already planning it already. And I know Gavin Newsom has a terrible record, but no matter what he does in this state, he's destroying this state, and they've still got a 60% approval rating.

So don't underestimate, just based on his terrible record, his capability of winning against Trump or any other Republican. Yeah, he's got his because he's much more talented, but he's a terrible chief executive, and he stands for nothing. He ruined San Francisco, and now he's ruining the state. But like you said, I did not know he had a 60% approval rating, even though he was almost recalled a couple of years in.

So as the smash and grab becomes a daily thing in Los Angeles and San Francisco and major businesses leave, he is probably more formidable than Joe Biden. I know what you're saying. But Republicans, you say, should just, a death by a million cuts, don't just take him out. The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Killmade.

One more time, Jimmy. Yeah. Hi, I'm Jimmy Thalon. I'm Stephen Colbert. I'm Jimmy Killer.

I thought when you said Jimmy, you meant me, Jimmy, but you meant Jimmy, Jimmy. I always mean you. But when you always Seth Meyers, who do you mean? I mean John Oliver. It's the five of us together for uh maybe an hour a a day.

Strike Force 5 is the name of our podcast. Subscribe to it now.

So the five Talk show hosts who don't have a job because of the writer's strike, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, John Oliver and Seth Myers have gotten together, put together a podcast.

So I just saw Tyrus at the app store. We met, we go there all the time. And he was downloading the app to know to get the podcast. And I said, Tyrus, you want to come on and talk about it? Because you're on late night television with the number one show with Gutfeld.

Tyrus is here. Tyrus's got that memoir out. He's got a new book he's working on too. But he's got a memoir that gives you an idea how he got to where he is today. What's your reaction to the five guys getting together just to talk?

You know, I I always support you, but um You were just completely dishonest with the American people. We go to the app store, you and I, we go for video games and stuff. Let's be honest. This is the first I've heard of it. What do you mean, real quick?

They want to raise money. They want to raise money. Yeah. The five of them get together. How long will those egos last?

I mean, I I get it, but even I always think when stuff like that comes together, it's like it's out of desperation. Obviously they want the strike to be over. Um I guess I never heard of improv. But uh And get back to work. But it's a it's a nice attempt, I think, uh, together.

You know, if they film it, maybe they can give us a little run for our money.

So, Tyrus, this is a couple of things. Do you know, did you watch late night television at all growing up? Oh, of course. I mean, I watched Johnny Carson, I watched Letterman, Arsenio, was good. Arsenio was like, Hey, uh, we could do this too.

And, um, you know, and I. Bill Clinton famously played the saxophone. He used to be where things happened. He had that. And then, of course, Jay Leno was good.

And, uh, So you watched it as much as I I could, you know, being in school and stuff, you didn't you know, it was only like Friday nights, but uh and then I watched more of the old Carson stuff. Because that's when it was just funny. When he had like Don Rickles on there and he had Sammy Davis Jr. on there, and they had the great TV actors from that day. And it would be so much to be unscripted.

Oh, it was fun. Everything now is such a promo.

Well, they can't work. because they know when to write their jokes for them. I think that should say a lot to the fans. You know, that should be like, you know, the stuff they say, they're just reading a teleprompter.

So, really, the ones you miss are the writers. Right. So, maybe the writers should get paid more. If I remember correctly, Leno when they went on strike. Took a week over there and said, I'm going to go back.

I'm going to write my own stuff. He was writing his own monologues. Yeah, because he was talented. And he's a workhorse. He's a workhorse.

You think Carson went to Adlib? You know, but I guess the other side of it, it's a show of solidarity that we won't work while we're supporting. But then. Then they go out and they do a podcast, so they are kind of working.

So, this is what bothers me. The history of television is competition. Today's show, Good Morning America, Carson Joey Bishop. You know, you, Dick Cavett. And he stopped talking to you.

Doan Rivers, they never talked again. You're going to come against me? I'm never talking to you again. Letterman Doleno fractured the friendship, fractured you. Oh, really?

You got the tonight show over me? I'm doing my own thing. Those are the days. That's America. You're going to compete with me?

These guys don't compete. They actually swap shows. I guarantee you, if any of them was in first place. It'd be different. Let me tell you what we did.

Let me tell you what the Gutfeld did because we, for whatever reason, don't get invited to the Emmys, right? Probably 'cause we won't cut the check. Right. But, um They knew better than to give the Emmy to the second best, which was probably Colbert. Colbert, I think, is the toughest competition we have.

So instead of that. They gave it to John Oliver, which was the lowest rated show.

So we made all once a week. Yeah, we made. The late night Emmy. A participation award. And I am more prouder than that that I am.

And I actually went into Emmy. Because we took the establishment and they gave it to the lowest-rated show. That's so interesting, yeah.

So that shows, although they pretend like we don't exist. But they weren't willing to give the they weren't willing to admit they were going to have to take the silver.

So I take that as that in itself is when they won't show up, when they refuse to take second, you're in their head.

So a couple of things. I don't know where you were. When Stephen Colbert first launched, he was getting zero ratings. The only reason he got ratings is because he just went all on the offense against Donald Trump. Right.

And they just won't even split it. Like, if you watch Leno, sometimes they'll do this thing with Jimmy Fallon, where Jimmy Fallon says, you know, my calves bother me. I need a break. And he'll walk out, and Leno takes over out of respect. Right.

And he'll come to his mom. You know what he does? Immediately starts hitting both sides. And guess what happens? Both sides laugh.

Yeah. Because it's an equal opportunity offender. Why do you see it ever coming back? There's because here's the deal, there's the the Trump hysteria, there there was a short-term spike in it. CNN went in all in.

Uh all these media guys went in. All these journalists went in. And you look at the guys who were at the at the forefront of the of the attack in the Trump Train. What's his name? On um CNN, Don Lemon went hard in the paintings of the club.

Jay kind of does the thing where he'll say something and then kind of like apologetically back out of it. But like Acosta went all in. He was all in. He was his nemesis. He could just nonstop.

And when it was over. Wow, you been in you've been in the gym, huh, bro? Did you see this? You just ripped the microphone off. Costa really bothered you.

No, it's okay. It's okay, Eric. We can wait till the break. Look at that. But once it was over, He went away.

They gave him a show. It tanked out. You know, that's the thing. They all went in because, you know, Fallon had that great bit with President Trump's hair. And he caught so much hell for it, but everyone was laughing.

He had everybody. And they they bet on The half the country, but they realize that the other half of the country who works and comes home at night, those are the ones who are sitting and watching 11 o'clock to laugh and go to bed.

So they just basically kind of spit in the face of half the country, and then they are shocked that their numbers went in the tanks because the people they bet on. Once the the Trump thing was done, they they didn't stay with him, they didn't come back. CNN is in it is like battling with HLN.

So I I was talking to Pierce. yesterday and he's friends with James Corden. And James Corden had very creative stuff. Of course, he had to do his obligatory Trump's Terrible, but he used to do plays. Like he used he used to stop traffic and do mini plays while the light was red and then come back.

They used to do extraordinary things. But know what they said? The amount of money you're costing me to do this show Where Letterman used to thrive in that area, actually, the exact same show. I'm not getting the ratings.

So basically, they can't afford them anymore.

So he's like, I'll just go back to England. Things are changing right before our eyes.

Well, the thing is, here's what it is. When you when you come on at twelve midnight. The viewer is not trying to be scared or angered. They're trying to go to sleep with a smile on their face. And you want to make everybody laugh and happy, and plays on the road I would rather hear than bashing a president that.

Half the country voted for it. Right. Like, it just, there was no money and sense in it. And then, uh, Some of his off the field stuff was a little weird. But again, it goes to the same thing where You mean in the restaurant when he blew up with people?

Yeah, yeah. Uh, you know, but you get into this thing where you The best thing to do is make fun of everybody. The Don Rickles philosophy is what I live my life by. I make fun of Trump. I even occasionally, although I don't make fun of you because that's all Gutfeld does.

That's all he does. My role is to be like, why? Why? Why? Tell me he's a good guy, man.

What are we doing here? Right. And if you can't convince him. I mean, I heard her shooting in the tent, but like throwing dynamite sticks in the tent is ridiculous. I was shocked when Perina, Perino took a shot at you.

No way. Yeah, and I was like, what are we doing? You too? Yeah, she took a shot at you. Addison, was I not afforded to this?

Are you trying to keep it when Dana Farrino turned? Dan Furino hosts the show, and I believe it had to do with some level of creepiness. And your picture popped up, and I just went, YouTube? And too. Perino.

I will have you know, last night when I hosted, there were no Kill Mead shots. Would you have taken them out? Yeah, I see. Here's the thing: you wrote it. I write my own stuff.

Oh, okay.

So, at no point was I going to shoot who I just don't understand it. Like, anybody who needs help, kill me, is there because it's not like you're going home. Like, you know, you don't even have lunch breaks. Right. That's what I'm doing.

I do eat on my desk. Yeah, you do. You know, you say that's in my backpacks book? Yeah, that's cute. Good stuff in there.

Darius, the last thing is I interviewed Greg twice in a half hour: one for Fox and Friends, and then one for the Saturday show. Yeah. For his book, Late Night. And in it, we bumped in in the Fox and Friends with all his hits on me. Right.

And I said, explain yourself. And we just went back and forth. People are writing headlines. Kill me gets his revenge, demands it. That's not what I said.

We're just having fun, explain it. But it goes to show you, even though we're in the media, Anytime you do something on Fox, they're not going to understand it. No, well, or they're going to try to. Make it literal, like absolutely literal. You know, because I said I was talking about, we were talking about neo-pronouns, right?

And basically, my philosophy on that is if you are spending time inventing things for yourself instead of competing, like if you're not doing well in school, then you say, well, you're not a you're you identify as a non-school learner, you know, or whatever the hell it is. And I said, if my children came home with that attitude instead of doing their homework, they said, these are my pronouns, daddy. I said, well, my pronoun would have been, I think I said butt whipping, but I was using the A-word.

Next day, Tyrus threatens to assault children. That's right. I saw that. I never read the article. No one read.

No one read. Like at least, at least when we had the old tabloids, it'd be like Tyrus has a lucid affair with Batwoman. Tyrus finally fit on alien spaceship. Hopefully they'll keep him.

So, you know, but like, it's just, that's the, they try to go literal to try to get a thing, you know, and you going after Guthrie, I think it's passwords. I think it's passwords. I'm retired. I happen to know a promoter by the name of Billy Corgan. You know, at some point, I think you've got to say, with your UFC background and your clear, clear upper body strength, you just rip the microphone off the thing.

Right, right, yeah. I think it's time to call Gutfell out. Man to man, let's settle this in the ring and let's just make it happen. Do we make it early morning? Oh, you make it early morning.

Okay. Because that way it will be quick. And literally, as soon as you get done, we'll have your suit pressed and ready for you, and you won't miss any of your hits. You remember, Brian Killmey did the first five UFCs. That's what I'm saying.

I went to school on this. You went to school stuff. You hung out with one of the toughest human beings on the planet, Jim Brown. You have complete advantage. Backing him up.

It's Brian Killmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. Former Secretary of State Condalisa Rice, whose own story personifies what good education can do, called it a national humiliation. And for once, she wasn't talking about Kilmead's haircut.

So Tyrus, I I can't uh give me a second to compose myself. Dana Perino, I'm the only person she's ever went after, ever. Oh, and if if if you would have kept that going, you would have heard us like, why? Why? I threw my hands up.

Why? What are we doing here? Kill me, Zona. And here's the thing: she also used foul language. She dropped an M F her at the end of her For thing, she was like.

Not to do with me. No, she was jacked, too. Like, she had done some planks or some pull-ups. Yeah, she was. She was.

She was, I had never seen this side of her. It was completely aggressive, and I don't understand it. You guys worked together on the five that day. There was no reason for hostilities. I just, you know, I don't know.

But this way, not only did I work, I worked the next day, and there was not even an acknowledgement of the shot given. She must think that I'm over it. I am not over it. You know what she assumes is because you get up early. I think Greg thinks the same thing.

There's no way he's going to see this. Yeah, but the problem is. You have eyes and ears everywhere. I do. And the problem is now it's on at 10 o'clock, so I'm watching the repeat when I'm coming to work.

So I see it all. And my self-esteem will never recover. I mean, let's just, what's going on with Dana? You and I are having a heartfelt thing about my retirement, and she talks about my calves. Oh, yeah.

What is with all the anger? I know, it's unbelievable. A guy who never skips leg day, like squirrels confuse my legs for trees. Like, it's just, it was just unbelievable. I don't want to put you on the spot, but after this, I have a few reads to do.

Do you want to go to human resources? You know what? No. Can you imagine running her in the hallway? She terrorizes me.

There's two people I fear at Fox. That's Judge Janine and Dana Prino. I always stay on their good side. There's one thing you'll never see Tyrus in the waiting room inside human resources to pilot complaint. I think they'd be like, are you kidding me?

Your feelings are hurt. Look at you. The other thing that I find fascinating is this guy, Alvaranthe. I read a column yesterday by Nicholas Christoph in the New York Times. Every Democrat hates it.

And he said, what happened to the Democratic Party? If you listen to the words, if you listen to what he said, this used to be the Democratic Party. He's going to bat for the little guy who says that they get taxed too much. Don't North of Richmond used to be a problem. That everything goes outside the joke when he said, if you're 5'3 and 300 pounds, I don't want to support your junk food.

Besides that, he says everything else he said used to be the Democratic Party. And then he got mad that the Republicans were saying you're my anthem.

So here he is on Joe Rogan. I want you to hear some of it. When a person like yourself gets labeled a right-wing, left-wing fanatic, like right out of the gate. Both in like a week and a half. And yeah, at least I know I'm doing something right.

You know, why do people have to attack?

Well, I think it's just for whatever reason. I've been the subject matter the last couple weeks. In everyone's defense, I probably haven't. I've waited for this opportunity, I guess, to really have a real conversation with somebody about whatever it is I am.

So people are just trying to find who's this Oliver Anthony guy, and what is he, and where does he work, and who did he vote for, and what's his family like and yada, because they want to sort of build this image of whatever it is that the person behind the song represents, for better or for worse. It's really funny to watch on my end. And because obviously I know what's true and what's not. And so, like, just even what I've skimmed through of people sending me, like, like, singing at the Super Bowl, like, how many people have formed an opinion about whether or not I should be paid to sing at the Super Bowl? Like, I'm not singing at the Super Bowl.

That's just something somebody made up. There's been hundreds of hours of people's time wasted probably talking about all these little like things that don't even exist. It's just somebody made them up and put them on the internet. And so I'm just letting them ride. I think it's great.

I just think it's great, like, that at least the last couple of weeks I've been able to entertain everyone and get everyone's mind off all the other horrible stuff that's going on in the world right now.

So what do you think, Tyrus? What do you think about the phenom a week later? You know, I think the here's the point. And I think what happened to the Democratic Party is pretty easy. Bernie Sanders brought the socialism in and it just spread because now moderate Democrats are considered right wing.

Like Bill Maher has not changed his politics at all, but he's right-wing. Um, you know, but it's not just him, it's everybody. You know, recently, I there was an article written about me how my net worth was, I think it was 5 million, but I had blown it all on poker and drugs. Nothing to do with that. And I just wrote back, sir, I've never played poker.

You know, it's just they try to throw things on the wall for the reaction. You know, they get the reaction because usually if you say 10 bad things about somebody, they're hoping that the laws of averages 40% of it will be right. And then you just connect the thing with feelings. And there's no facts, and just anything that's said against the narrative, because it's the Progressive Party now. And they're the the minority, but they're convincing everyone that they're this giant thing.

But the voting bait, the blue collars have moved into Republicans. I mean, they've they've picked it up. If you're because of very simple things. When you go to the grocery store and your average bill for the last And not to take President Trump out of it. During Obama, grocery bills weren't ridiculous either.

So, if you averaged $150 a week for a family of four for groceries. And then all of a sudden, that same grocery bill is now $300, you're going to have a problem. Because that money has to come from somewhere else. And then all of a sudden your light bill's up 40% because the taxes to keep your light bill going, and no one, everyone talked about gas, no one talked about electricity. Electricity bills were killing people.

Electricity, absolutely. At one point you were looking at, now all of a sudden your light bill was $85.

Now it's $285.

So now that's $500 that you're out now and you're not getting a raise. That's all that really they care about. When their check comes and they divide it up, I got to pay for this, I got to pay for that, pay for that. And then they don't have anything left. What do we promote for Tyrus?

Oh, I got my live events. You look it up on my LinkTree. And of course, Nuff Said comes out in November. You can pre-order it now on Amazon and Barnes Noble's. All right, good.

We'll promote each other's sports. And I will not insult you on air. Thank you. Only in person. Listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus, on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music with your Prime membership, or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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