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Yes, I'll be approachable in Milwaukee too. Our show is going to be going over toward the side of the debate on Wednesday and sticking around for a diner on Thursday. I'll leave a television on the diner and I'll probably go to a studio. I think that's the plan. We're going to have the who's who on the Republican side.

Democrats will be lined up in Milwaukee trying to steal some thunder while the president vacations with Tom Steyer, the environmentalist billionaire, in Lake Tahoe after spending a day in Hawaii and, as predicted, telling a fictionalized story about how his strife is worse than anything. Mad, the people of Maui have gone through. It's crazy what a pass this guy gets, and it's crazy that people think he's with it.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. We've got to remind ourselves just how hostile an adversary China is. They want to be number one in the world. They have the biggest army, the biggest navy.

They're militarizing the South China Sea. You've got to remind yourself first what we are dealing with. Yes, please white wake up America, China, major brick summit in South Africa as their rhetoric hits an all-time high against what the U.S. is claiming we want a Cold War. They claim that we want a hot war while threatening Taiwan again yesterday, military exercise outside the island nation.

Time to not talk tough, but to get tough. You hear that, White House? Number two. Hunter Biden admitted in court in July that he was in fact paid substantial sums from Chinese companies. And this directly goes against what Joe Biden said in the debate in 2020 with Donald Trump.

Is this unbelievable? Have we frozen the media in time? The laptop's not real. Hunter was not involved in any overseas business dealings. Joe didn't know.

Now, Joe knew he was involved. The laptop is real. What planet are these guys on on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS? And by the way, David Weiss has got to be moved off this investigation into Hunter. He already has links to Bo.

He's dropped the ball, allowed the statute limitations to evaporate on burisma earnings and everything else. He is not going to be and should not be the special counsel. Number one. He stomped all over everybody in 2016. By showing up to debates, that's kind of how he got the nomination.

You know, he laid about himself. He, you know, he interrupted everybody. He dominated. Force of personality.

Well, you can't have force of personality if you're not there. Britt Hume talking about the risk of not showing. Debate number one, hours away, which is exactly where Trump will be, hours away. Which means, no, that means that Ron DeSantis is center square. We're going to look at the final eight: the topics, the issues, the bios, and more.

So look. I think there's a lot of take. And I think outside the cartoonish quip back and forth, you didn't do that, you did do this, six-week ban, thirteen-week ban. I think there's a lot of real issues. First and foremost, is one of the issues today.

And that's China. I mean, buying up our farmland, infant streaming through our border. You're talking about military-age men coming through our border, dressed like middle-class engineers. Why is that? Why is it that the Chinese are flexing their muscles in the South China Sea?

Why is it that they're threatening to take Taiwan immediately? Why is it that we don't seem to understand that the spy balloon isn't benign? Why is it that we don't seem to understand that as China spreads its tentacles through Central and South America, it's a legitimate threat? What is the answer from the eight on stage?

So, Chris Christie, we know we know you don't like Donald Trump. You know, Mike Pence, we know you're upset about January 6th. Governor Ron DeSantis, we know you're fighting against woke. But how do you feel about Ukraine? What are you going to do about China?

And it's easy to say, well, we're not going to touch Social Security, but what if I told you it goes bankrupt in 10 years? It's easy to say we're not going to touch Medicare seniors, but what if I told you it's not solvent? Saying it's I'm going to leave it alone is not going to help. the American people, and that's not telling the truth and it's being lazy. Vivek Ramaswamy's internet his foreign policy is insane.

He says basically, let's stop giving special status to Israel. Really? Let's let Ukraine let Russia keep what they've taken from Ukraine already in exchange for this signing a piece of paper Erasing their alliance with China. Oh, that'll work. Let Taiwan go in 2028.

So, Nikki Haley, we'll see where you stand. We'll see some strength. I know she's tough, but I don't necessarily think she's shown it. She's shown her nice side with her husband in the military, with her as a governor, growing up a minority, first-generation immigrant parents. She's got a lot to offer.

I have not seen that on the stump yet. Always love talking to her, but this is her opportunity. Perhaps the most pressure is on Ron DeSantis, cut four. A movement can't be about the personality of one individual. The movement has got to be about what you are trying to achieve on behalf of the American people.

And that's got to be based in principle. Because if you're not rooted in principle, if all we are is listless vessels that's just supposed to follow whatever happens to come down the pike on Truth Social every morning, that's not going to be a durable movement.

So he's going to be asked that by Brett Baer and Martha McCallum. I am sure. They're going to take the most controversial things or the most interesting things that are said on the stump. And they're going to ask to clarify, expand, and that would open up to a hit. From who?

Who wants to defend Trump on stage? Vivek Ramaswamy. Or somebody who says, listen, we're not lit the people that follow the Make America Great Again movement aren't listless vessels. That's fine, but that's something that's going to cause a scrum. That's to me is going to be interesting.

And if you are a candidate, you want that scrum, you want that target, you want that attention, give me an opportunity, give me the ball. If I fumble, if I don't score, if I get caught for a loss, I'd rather say, Well, you know, I gave it my all, but if you're someone like Ben Carson, who people had so much respect for, no one really wanted to attack him and he dropped in the polls and they ignored him, he would come up and uh up and down on that stage and nothing would happen. Trump something would happen because people were desperate to land a glove on him. And they couldn't. Britt Hume on the risk of Of not showing up.

And that's what he's doing. He's not showing up for this one. He's certainly not going to show up for the Fox Business debate in September. Cut eight. This one goes back forty-some years.

Ronald Reagan was by far the leading candidate in 1980 to get the Republican nomination, and he'd skipped the debate in Iowa. George H.W. Bush attended the debate, won the state, and became instantly the frontrunner.

Now, Reagan recovered, he won the nomination, won the presidency, and all that. But it highlights the fact that if you skip a debate, people in the state look at you and they say, well, this guy didn't care about our state, he didn't care about us. And it can hurt you. And as strong as he was, it hurt him in that state. Right.

And I just think that it is a great opportunity. In the beginning, it's nice to say. I think Trump should sharpie. Should Sharpie's a coward. You could say whatever you want, but it's actually great for you guys and for Nikki Haley just to get a shot.

And it's so frustrating because I watch other channels and they only ask about Trump.

So here these people are accomplished.

Some of them like Governor Bergham's a better bus more successful businessman than Donald Trump in pure dollars and a bigger story. I mean, he came from nothing. His dad dies when he's in ninth grade and he's able to make this huge gain from small town America to getting Microsoft to buy his product.

So these are people that are very impressive and they can't get out of Donald Trump's negative or positive shadow.

So that's what Bill McGurn weighed in on a Fox and Friends First this morning. He talked about the different scenarios that could take place. Cut 13. It seems to me there are three possible scenarios. One, they all beat up on Joe Biden.

Two, they all beat up on Donald Trump because he's the frontrunner. Or three, they beat up on each other. And I think the likelihood is that Donald Trump benefits from not being there because he looks above the fray. He kind of makes him look small. But the question is, will he pay a price for it down the road?

Most Republicans, the polls show, want Trump to participate in the debates. And it seems to me after you've lost the presidential race, you should make your case to the people why you should get the nomination.

So, you know, it's interesting because, and you go back for precedent. I was good that Britt Yoon brought up Ronald Reagan because in 76 he loses the nomination, and Gerald Ford loses narrowly to Jimmy Carter. And obviously, people looking to Reagan in 1980 were more ready for a more conservative candidate. Ford's not going to run and not going to come back and run. And they didn't go in the first debate.

That's an interesting analogy. That's as close as it gets because nobody was around during Grover Cleveland's days when he won, lost, and then won again.

So now in Iowa, they asked the people of Iowa, what do you think?

Well, 42% of likely voters, caucus goers say Trump is their first choice. 19% DeSantis, 9% Scott. Scott's on the march, by the way, Mike Pence at six.

Now this is the key. This is a Des Moines Register NBC Paul. Would you say what uh would you say your mind is made up? Or could you still be persuaded to support another candidate? This other key question.

could be persuaded fifty two per cent. Mind is made up 40%, 7%, no first choice yet. That's a lot. And there's talent on that stage. You know, it's not Dennis Kucinich, who's a nice guy.

It's not Marianne Williamson, who's a fringe candidate, got no depth or experience, just uh smart.

Now, these are established candidates in their own right, all very different. I want to move on to something else that should come up tomorrow. Because as I mentioned two weeks ago on One Nation, I don't want to talk about ballot harvesting, I don't want to talk about drop boxes, I don't want to talk about ballots that were corrupted, I don't want to talk about that. But if you talk about twenty twenty and what went wrong, it's what Joe Biden was allowed to get away with by not telling the truth. He couldn't campaign, he shot.

He's worse now. Number two, the pandemic worked out for him. Number two, he barely debated. They canceled one. And Donald Trump actually had COVID on the first one.

But so many times he was right. But the moderator and Joe Biden, with the help of the moderator, Joe Biden was able to lie about the overseas business dealings, not knowing anything about them, actually participated in them. That's what's coming out. The laptop that's not real, 51 Intel agents said it's not real. That's true.

Totally real and they all backtracked on that. And if you found out what their background is and you have focused on Joe Biden and who he really was and what he was doing as vice president, there was a poll that said at least 14% of the people would have reconsidered their vote for Joe Biden. He won by tens of thousands of votes in about three states, about 10,000 votes in about three states, for the shocker in Georgia and Shocker in Arizona.

So, Hunter Biden, the investigation's marching forward. But this guy, David Weiss, who we know nothing about, turns out he had a relationship and worked well with Bo Biden, the deceased former AG of Delaware, an oldest son of President Biden, then Vice President Biden. And then we found out he was going to give a sweetheart deal or no convictions, no time, no guilty play with a play to Hunter Biden until the whistleblower stepped up. And now we find out about this relationship, and this guy is allowing statute of limitations to evaporate on two or three charges when it comes to taxes. Why would we let him stay on it?

Unless, of course, he says now I'm free to do the job I wanted to do, but he's got no credibility because he had that job for five years, never complained about it.

So, what does it mean? What does it actually mean that Hunter Biden might have to go to trial, that they threaten to put his father on trial, which I don't care about. Why is that a threat? Put him on, he'll fall flat on his face and he'll wither under questioning. You'll wither under what is your name?

Seems to me these days.

So here is Tristan Levitt. He's the attorney for one of the heroes in this story, Gary Shapley, who put his career in the line to be a whistleblower and tell the truth. Cut 16. It's clearly utterly ridiculous on its face. And we've seen this throughout, that those are the kind of threats the Hunter Biden's legal team made.

Last summer, Chris Clark told the prosecutors, even before this threat to put Joe Biden on the stand, that charging Hunter Biden would be a career killer for them. And he's trying what he can to make it be a career killer for our clients as well. And so it's unfortunate, but it's not a surprise at all. It clearly has no grounding in fact. And in fact, the judge up in Delaware, Mary Ellen Norieca, noted that because the pleadings from Hunter's legal team had asked that Chairman Jason Smith's amicus brief giving further details about the whistleblower disclosures be removed from the docket because they claimed that, again, that there was grand jury or other information there that shouldn't have been.

And Judge Norieka really smacked that down, saying that making such broad allegations was irresponsible of them. And what I should have referred to and introduced that soundbite better, Trista Levin. Is represents Gary Shapley, who's a whistleblower. They said Gary Shapley broke the law. Yes, by being a whistleblower, by going to getting an attorney and going in front of Congress.

He broke the law. Please tell me where he broke the law. Taking real, real time notes about how David Weiss says he basically did not have freedom to pursue this case. Not a chance. Desperate.

Man, they're even more desperate than I thought. And they're pursuing bank records.

Now we're talking about $50 million. I see the calls up there. I'll get to them when we come back. You listen to the Brian Kill Me show.

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What did these people paying the Bidens actually get in return? There's nothing tangible. There's no product. There's no service. There's no advice.

It's clear what the product was. It was Joe Biden. And they're not going to answer that question.

So, yeah, they're going to continue to stall. And until the mainstream media starts to really take this story seriously in the way that they should, in the way that they would with pretty much any other person on the Republican side of the aisle, they're going to continue to deny it. Yeah, uh and now other are areas of the media uh are starting to pick up on it, even almost in a naive way. It's like if somebody just started following baseball and they say, The Yankees aren't doing well this year, are they?

So they're pretending as if they haven't been watching all year, which means for the last five years, and they have to get it because there's nowhere to duck anymore. Joel, WTRC in South Bend, Indiana. Hey, Joel. Hey, hi Brian. Real quick.

Trump doesn't need to go to that debate. And if he was there, it would all be about Trump. And we know what Trump is about. We know what he can do. We know what he did.

But there are people on that stage who won't get even 15 seconds. to talk. Trump is on there. Rap those people. have their have their say And and it's not like he's not going to do any debate.

He's just not doing this debate. And yet I hear no. I hear nothing about Biden refusing to debate anybody else in the Democratic Party, Mr. Kennedy. Um and and it's never brought up.

Yeah, sitting president doesn't usually get into primary debates, so I don't think that is bad. I'm actually not even critical. I'm just saying there's a risk. It's tactics. It's tactics.

Joel, you know what my analogy is back to sports? If you win the division, why are you going to play the wildcard game? And you don't. You win the division. You're not ignoring, but eventually you're going to have to take on the wild card winner.

So they're going to see where this goes. I think eventually they're going to have 10 debates. He's going to participate in some of them. But I don't see him doing Fox business either. And he does going to try to steal the thunder with his indictment, which is going to be embarrassing going into a prison, getting fingerprinted and mug-shotted right after Bruce listening in York, Pennsylvania.

Bruce. Thank you very much for taking my call. I really appreciate it, sir. Hope you're having a good day. The reason for my call is The news media mass news media is doing exact we are doing their bidding for them because we should not be spending one minute of time talking about the BS indictments on Trump.

It was just it's just a waste of time and we need to get back to business. I know, but it is historic. But after the fourth indictment, we don't go wall to wall on Fox. We mention it. But he watched you at CNN.

I did an experiment, nine segments in one hour on Trump. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Welcome back. We know there's going to be a big debate, and people are going to disagree.

It's going to really be disagreeable when we get to the Democrat against a Republican. But right now, you're going to have eight people on stage tonight, excuse me, tomorrow night in Milwaukee, all trying to have difficult conversations. And who's going to prevail and actually win somebody over or at least explain their side while listening? Bruce Patton is co-founder and distinguished fellow at the Harvard Negotiating Project, where he heads the Rebuild Congress initiative. He's also co-author of Getting to Yes, Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In.

Bruce, nobody negotiates anymore. They hang out with people they agree with. Has this ever happened before in your lifetime, the way it's happening now? It hasn't happened before in my lifetime, but it was very frequent at the end of the 19th century. conflict parties became the way they are now, more like teams that you wanted to be part of and to win.

And political violence escalated. We assassinated three presidents inside of thirty five years. and civil rights leaders along the way, too.

So Bruce, you're looking at what's happening right now, and there's an art to it.

So if you disagree with somebody, how do you engage with them and, dare I say, convince them that you have a point? Yeah. Um You know, the f the most important thing to start by remembering is that in the real world there are no zero-sum games. Because in the real world, it's always possible for both sides to lose. And it turns out you have shared interests, at least not making things worse.

You have conflicting interests, which people spend most of their time thinking about, but you often have differing interests that are just different. and often the source of a lot of creative gains. And the best way to deal with conflict is to Treat it like side-by-side problem solvers, trying to figure out if there's something to do together that's better. Than what you can do on your own. People forget that.

How do you label when you say difficult conversations in your book? What do you mean by difficult conversations? Yeah. difficult conversations. What's difficult is different for different people.

And we define it as anything that you find it difficult to talk about or that you. you know, sort of look forward to like having a tooth pulled. and the reasons that people find it difficult. Typically the the root cause is that Something about this conversation is inconsistent with how you see yourself, your self-identity, your esteem, your you know i shouldn't be having to have this conversation because i'm supposed to be respected and they're not respecting me and And often it's because some little part of your brain is thinking, you know. Their story isn't entirely crazy, and you don't know how to take in that conflicting information.

And that's because. We have a tendency to hold our identity as all or nothing when, in fact, we all have a bunch of identities and. We have internal inconsistencies, and sometimes you can't avoid them. And you have to find a sort of a more balanced place to stand.

So you're at a barbecue and you're an extreme liberal, and you have a conservative wearing a Trump hat, and he's joining you at that barbecue.

So without saying a word, A guy you kinda know, I have nothing against except obviously you might disagree. How do you how do you how do you handle that? Like, uh do you just pretend as if you don't have these differences? If it's a relationship that you care about, I wouldn't pretend you don't have the differences. If you want to get into it, I would listen.

I would ask questions and I would listen with some respect because. They obviously have a different life experience, or they're putting together things in a different way. But at the same time, you don't have to swallow what you think. If someone says, well, I want to preserve America for Americans. you can say, well, what does that mean?

Well, our traditional values are under okay, I hear that as black Americans have been in America since before I was America. But that sounds like you're talking to me, that sounds like you're talking about values that don't or a vision that doesn't include them. Is that what you're saying? And then see what they say. Right?

Speak what you think. hear what they're thinking and and stick with it. Um Right. It's really the combination of empathy and accountability that allows people to. Manage and friendships and to learn.

And a lot of times, too, your own ideas might be fleshed out. Why do I think what I think? Until someone starts asking you. That's right. You don't know why you think.

And sometimes you're almost hardened by, wow, I do have something behind it. Other times you're like, you know what? I don't know where I picked that up from. Right. People are so entrenched in sort of either war and all or nothing thinking.

But I when we first started the Rebuild Congress initiative, I interviewed a guy named Richard Hanna. Who was a Republican from upstate New York in a very conservative district, although some people rated him as. As among the more liberal Republicans, but he didn't think about himself that way. He was a businessman. And he told me, I don't pay dues to the party because I don't see what that does to my constituents.

And they haven't kicked me off my committees because I know my stuff. And I don't go to chicken dinners because I can't stand them, but I have 70 town halls a year. And my favorite moment is when I can say to a constituent who offers an opinion, here's why I think you're saying that, and here's what I think you're saying. Does that make sense? And they say, yeah, you got it.

Let me tell you why I see it differently. He just loved that moment and it was sort of the both and That's true. And in addition, I see this thing, and it leads me to a slightly different point of view. What's your reaction? And they kept electing him even in 2010 when the Tea Party was, you know, he had a Tea Party candidate against him and he trounced her.

So interesting and instead of but, right? Yes, and instead of but. It and it's it's more than just a a linguistic trick. But puts things in opposition and it's not realistic. When you say to someone, you know, I love you, but, They call it a Grady Rachel.

The truth is, I love you, and I'm jealous, and sometimes I hate you at the same time.

So Bruce Patton, our guest, and he's got a book out. It's called Getting to Yes, Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In. Bruce, you talk about rebuilding Congress. What was your image? And what did you find out when you dove into it?

Well, our system was founded with by the framers with the vision that Congress was the most important branch because it's the only one where we're all represented. And Alexis de Tocqueville, when he came from France and sort of wrote his famous book, Commenting on the U.S., said the system only works if the executive is relatively weak, because if the executive becomes too powerful, every presidential election is going to feel existential. And if Congress fails to take on the most important political questions, then the unelected Supreme Court is going to be forced to deal with those divisive issues and lose its legitimacy. And That's what a lot of political scientists see playing out today. Congress is the place we're supposed to work those things out.

And I talked to people in Congress and people around Congress, and they all agreed with that. Executive orders are exactly, you say it could be the, you know, really detrimental in many cases.

Well, they may make things work, and there are a lot of advocates who want executive orders when their president's in place. But You know, that I've talked to the Chamber of Commerce, and they have a presentation that shows if. important things, policies get reversed every four years. It creates an economic climate of uncertainty that depresses innovation and investment. It's not, we want things passed by Congress with preferably bipartisan majorities.

because that creates a stable business environment. You know, it's also it's impossible to run a military when you keep changing focus and objectives. Absolutely. You know, that's why we k it take six years to build a plane. They go, Unless you get me a contract, I can't be caught in the middle, you know, with a half-built culks of weapons.

Yep.

So I love that concept. Number two, if I was to take some of your principles and put them on stage on Wednesday night. What would you be looking for? And if you were if a candidate hired you, Bruce, I need your help. What would you be telling them?

Well, it's interesting. I was just reading yesterday about Roger Ailes, who was Ronald Reagan's.

Sort of political director, and he had a theory of politics called the orchestra pit theory. And if you got two candidates on stage, and one says, you know, I've got a fantastic plan for world peace. And the other one say it falls into the orchestra pit. Who's going to get written about it? And one of the false.

Yeah, and I think we have too many politicians trying to fall into the orchestra pit. But Again, Richard Hanna won every election that he contested. And another person, even though he's on the opposite side of the political aisle who did this very well, was Devol Patrick, who got elected as governor in Massachusetts, but he came absolutely outside of the establishment. And he trounced seven other Democrats in this Democratic state, and then the Republican candidate. And there was a moment, to your point.

in the debates where they were saying, geez, this guy's Teflon, we can't get him, but He said, because I'm from the outside, I should take positions on the issues. And he took a position saying that the children of illegal immigrants should be entitled to the lower tuition for state residents if they went to a state college and it was very unpopular. And these seven other candidates went down the line, you know, sort of exoriating him for this. And he came to Duval and he said, look. I get this is an emotional issue and it's a principled issue.

I mean, these kids are here illegally. Why should we spend any state resources subsidizing them? I get that issue, and I get why it feels unfair and inappropriate. But then I also think, who thinks these kids are going to leave? I mean we don't have any plan for deporting them.

And they didn't choose to come here. Their parents brought them here as as kids. And the reason we're having this conversation is they've worked so hard that they've earned this. entry into college. And if they're going to be here and they're that smart, do we think that we are going to be better off?

if they have a role in the economy, or we tell them they can't have any legitimate role in the economy and they've got to make their way some other way. And when I look at it that way, I think, I think I'd rather have him in school. Right. And I'd love to engage that. And you can politely engage that and say, well, I'm worried about my own.

And Deval Patrick, we know, too, was one of David Axerod's first success stories, correct? That's true. That's right. So that was, and then later Barack Obama. A lot of people thought that Deval Patrick would be like Barack Obama.

He'd be heading towards the national stage. Never quite worked out like that.

So, Bruce, you know what's possible for people to really build on that? Because you've got to feel most people on that stage agree with 75% of each other. 75% of their policies are the same.

So how do you get to the other 25% without being offensive? And have people just outrage and other people euphoric. It could happen. The subtlety can happen on Wednesday. It could.

And there is evidence to suggest that the orchestra pit theory works at first, but it doesn't work over time. There are going to be a lot of people not tuning in on Wednesday because they think it's going to be all show. Whereas they would tune in if they thought there would be serious conversation about that extra twenty five percent and the ideas that people have. It's interesting, they just did a poll. CBS said, What do you want to talk about?

Only 9% said Trump. The rest said about your issues. Then they asked, What are the issues? The economy, number two, immigration.

So not one person said indictments. And it just works. But if you watch television, It is nonstop indictments, court cases. What's going to do? He's terrible.

He's the best. Back and forth. And I've never in my life seen it. They didn't do this with Clinton. They didn't do this with Bush.

So I'm not talking about any party. I've never seen this phenomenon in my life. Is it just a Trump thing, or do you think that we're always going to jump on our chief executive like this from here on in? I think we're going through, in part, we're going through a stage in the media that was. Yeah.

Jump started and they put gas on the fire i i in terms of social media, because the social media algorithms are competing for your attention. And so they're going through the same thing where they give you the most outrageous stuff And disinformation that's really inflaming moves seven times faster than true information. And that has and and you know, the regular media is trying to compete with that. which isn't good for any of us. But there is a point at which people stop listening.

I hear you.

So, Bruce, if I was to pick up three politicians that you're impressed with, that have some of the skills that you talk about in your book, can you name three?

Well, I mean, I've mentioned two so far. Richard Hanna has died, but Devalpatrick's still around and does it. Charlie Baker did it as well in Massachusetts. And then, yeah, Governor Baker was a very popular Republican governor in Democratic Massachusetts, and he did it because he was. a balanced kind of guy that people thought was reasonable.

Maybe it maybe you know maybe the Bruce Patton ticket's going to be the no labels ticket. You got a Republican, you got a Democrat forced to negotiate with a Congress that belongs to two parties that they don't belong to. Maybe that would be your dream. Am I correct?

Well, the it isn't my dream, but the the no labels Theory is that if they could get 30 a block of 30 or 40 people in the House and even 20 in the Senate who would vote together and insist on addressing issues from the middle. they could control both houses of Congress. But right now it's it's The the folks who are in the caucus haven't quite been willing to put the caucus over their party. And so they don't have the impact that they could. And voters have something to say about that, right?

If voters demand If they'll go out and vote in the primary, I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene got elected by 8% of her constituency. And she doesn't seemingly represent the 98%, but whoever wins that primary is going to win the election. I hear voters could change this. Bruce Patton, thanks so much. Getting to yes, negotiating agreement without giving in.

And difficult conversations: how to discuss what matters most, which is what's coming out with just its third edition today, I think. Awesome.

So, thank you. You got it, Bruce. Go get him. Thank you. Back in a moment.

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I don't want to compare difficulties, but we have a little sense, Jill and I. Both like to lose a home. Years ago, now 15 years ago, I was. In Washington, doing meet the press. It was a sunny Sunday.

And lightning struck at home on a little lake that's outside of our home, not on a lake, a big pond, and hit a wire and came up underneath our home into the heating ducts, the air conditioning duct. To make a long story short, I almost lost my wife, my 67 Corvette, and my cat. But all kitty aside, I watched the firefighters, the way they responded. You know, there's an old expression. I grew up right across the street from a fire hall.

and Claymont, Delaware. And the expression is God made man. Then he made a few firefighters. Is that the most ridiculous, dumb analogy, inappropriate comment? Is a story that's been totally embellished.

He's been told over and over again, that's not what happened. Stop saying it, I am sure, unless everybody in his life is afraid to tell him. And then these people who, by the way, I think there's 800 people still missing, they're going to have to go to dental records. That's how grisly this fire is. He's comparing it.

to him losing his cat and lightning striking on a sunny day? While he's doing Meet the Press? You don't have to make up stories to relate to people. Can you just listen to people and stop putting yourself in the middle of everything? Stop telling me he's an empathetic guy, too.

He has lost it. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmeek. Hi, boy. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Killmeat show.

So glad you're here. We're at 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. Heard around the country, around the world, but heading to Milwaukee right after the show.

So be broadcasting there Wednesday, Thursday, why Milwaukee, you know, the big debate, the first debate. There's nothing like the first.

Soon, maybe we'll say, oh, it's the same old thing. What'll be different? Not now. And certainly building toward a grescendo when you only have one on each side. And Governor Sunudi writes a big editorial in the New York Times today saying, whoever loses Iowa, just get out.

Because if Donald Trump's going to be defeated, he's got to be defeated by just one person or maybe two. If that's one of your objectives, Adam Kinziger certainly feels that way. Liz Cheney certainly feels that way. Senator Bill Cassidy feels that way. But more and more Americans who are on the fence see the fourth indictment coming on Thursday, and they look at what's happening with Joe Biden's America today.

And they're not on board. With me right now is Governor Mike Huckabee. Governor Huckabee knows what it's like to go onto the debate stage, feel totally comfortable, and surge from the unknown to the leader, especially in Iowa, where he won in 2008. Governor Huckabee, welcome back. Hey, Brian, thank you.

You know, I'm always thrilled to be on, but I'm even more happy when I get invited back. It means that you're giving me one more chance. Yes, one more chance. And you know what? I have sense it's going to go well because you always perform in the clutch.

So, yeah, you're an example everybody gives now to say, yeah, just because you don't know me now, it doesn't mean you won't know me soon. And for the Governor Berghams of the world, maybe for the Nikki Haley, for people who aren't that familiar with politics, for Senator Scott, who people say, I know of him, but I don't know what he does, you can make a difference on this stage.

Well, without a doubt. And I think that's the important part of the debates. I wish that there was more focus on the candidates and that there was An equal allocation of the time. And I begged the RNC at a meeting in Chicago. I went and made a presentation, and I said, you need to take control of the debate process.

Because one of the things that has to happen is that those candidates who have a great message, but maybe people don't know them well. They've got to be able to get some FaceTime in that debate. When Donald Trump was in the debate in 2016, Um Every debate was either about what he said or candidates were said. We were asked, what do you think about what Donald Trump just said? And so candidates were basically minimized.

Out of the debate, and it became a Donald Trump show. The fact that he's not going to be there probably is good. For the other candidates. You know, a lot of them are complaining: well, Donald Trump ought to be here. They ought to be glad he's not, because if he were, He would be the person sucking all the oxygen out of the air.

and they wouldn't get much time. And I say that as a, you know, as you know, Brian, I'm a Trump supporter. I think he's our best shot, and I think he's the one guy that deserves another run at this. But having said that, I think the other candidates should be grateful he's not going to be there. Absolutely.

And my analogy is in baseball, if you win the division, you don't have to play the wildcard game. The objective is the same to win a championship, but you don't play the wildcard game. It doesn't mean you're ducking, but he's up by 40 points. As Axelrod said, Sunday, he goes, You'd be crazy to go into this debate. There's too much downside.

Although I would love to see him do that, engage. Because you never know, these unscripted moments. But this is what we know about the rules: no opening statements, one minute to answer questions, 45 seconds for follow-up. There'll be 30 seconds for follow-up, 45 seconds for closing remarks. If I told you those rules, what do you think?

I think they're terrible. I'll be honest with you. I think they're awful. And here's why. There will be times when, and I love Brett and Martha, and they're good choices to moderate if you're going to have moderators.

In my perfect world, you wouldn't have a moderator. You'd have a timekeeper, and that's it. And the candidates would debate each other. Everyone on that stage would be given exactly the same amount of clock time. They could use it any way they wanted.

if they wanted to eat all nine minutes up. in their opening statement, then they're done. Their mics cut off. They're finished. But what would happen is that the candidates would ask each other questions or they would present their own arguments.

And they would determine what the topics are because they're the ones who actually had the guts to put their names on the ballot. One of my frustrations in the debate process, and I was in dozens of them over two election cycles, Brian, so I'm speaking from personal experience. And from Trump experience. You were on the stage trying to get that nomination in 2016. But one of the things that happened in 2016, if you didn't attack Trump, you never got called on.

You just didn't. You were, you might as well go get a sandwich. The other side of that is sometimes a moderator will spend two and a half minutes asking a complex question and then say to the candidate. you have thirty seconds to respond. And you want to say, wait a minute, You just took two and a half minutes to ask me a question.

I'm running for president, not you. You get two and a half minutes, and you're giving me 30 seconds. Get out of here. I understand. And two, I always said to you know, everyone's governor DeSantis is going to be attacked.

He wants to be attacked if he's really paid attention in the past because he'll get a chance to respond. And I don't think he I think he does pretty well under the clutch. I know there's one moment where he froze. I saw where he was asked, Can you guarantee you're going to serve two terms by Charlie Christ? And he kind of froze.

If he has that moment, it could be over. Does that thought ever get into your head when you get on stage? Man, if I freeze, if I don't have an answer, I'm I'm doomed. You know, you have to be loose. And one of the things I see with some candidates, they're so prepared.

And let me say by prepared, I mean they're Overly programmed. They've already sat down through the murder boards with their staff and they've kind of come up with an answer on everything they think they can be asked. And when they're talking, it honestly appears as if they're reading a card off the back of their head that has been imprinted there by their staff. It it comes across as stiff and phony. And there are several candidates, I think, that died on the altar of over preparation.

I always would go out for a five-mile run. I wouldn't watch any television or read a paper on the debate day. I would go in knowing what I believed. And listening carefully to the question and trying to respond to it rather than come up with this pivot. and totally turning away from a question because the audience sees that and they say, yes, you're not answering the question.

You're giving your preprepared speech, and it comes across as stiff and phony. I think it's a big mistake when candidates do that. But I promise, out of the eight that will be on the stage, you can be prepared for some to do exactly that.

So there's a Republican strategist on CNN and talked about the downside to Trump not going for him, cut nine. Look, it is a huge political insult to Republican voters for him not to participate, as well as to the Republican Party. Voters deserve to have a healthy and robust primary, hearing from all of the candidates on where they stand on the issues, how they contrast with their fellow candidates, and how their vision can help take out President Biden. And he's missing an opportunity. That being said, with a lead like this, I could understand why his campaign is deciding for him not to do so.

Is it a risk to the people of, I never thought about this until I heard a couple of people say it over the last two days. Is it a risk to the people of Wisconsin, including Kellyanne Conway, of Wisconsin, to say, he's not showing up to me? We're the ultimate battleground state, really? I didn't think so, but the people, is it possible the people in that city do? I don't really think so because a debate is not about the geography of where it's held.

Let's face it, it's a television show. It's not so much a local venue. And you could lift that stage and all of the trappings, lift it up and put it in any city in America. And it's about what happens on the stage, not what's happening in the community around it.

Now, there may be some people who will say, oh, that's a real insult to the people of Wisconsin. It really isn't. The decision had nothing to do with the geography or the demography, if you will, of Wisconsin. It had all to do with whether Donald Trump felt there was any value in him being as known a quantity as he is to go and show up and let people who barely have 1% in the polls have a shot at him when he's got 62% of the polls. It just doesn't make any sense for him.

So what I think he's doing is saying, you guys want to take me on?

Okay, fight amongst yourselves. And when you get that finished and there's one of you standing, Then we'll go toe to toe. We'll have a real debate. But these same people aren't saying to Joe Biden, Hey, Joe, you really ought to let RFK Jr. have the stage with you and you guys have a debate.

Joe wouldn't last thirty seconds in that environment, and every Democrat knows it. I mean, the Joe Biden who's going to debate is even a shell of what he was, and he was a shell then. Governor Harkaby, what do you do with this state? In retrospect, I was looking back at the debates and I did something like this in my opening last week, and that is how many times Joe Biden said something that seems to have won the point, but he flat out lied. fifty one Intel experts say that laptop was not real.

And okay, we'll move on.

So Trump is saying, look at what you guys were doing overseas business operations. The voter thinks that Biden won that point. No, he knew damn well that was his son's laptop. And then he comes out and says, I knew nothing about the overseas business operations. I knew nothing about my son.

I had no investments in China. They were talking about China, the most consequential country for American foreign policy, for foreign policy for an American president. He lied about all those things.

So whose job is it in real time to fact check things like that that could really affect how you vote? I mean, I really think it's the other candidates. I don't think it's the job of the moderator to do that because then it starts looking like that moment when Candy Crowley started debating Mitt Romney in the twenty twenty twelve race. And The role of the moderator. It's basically to keep things moving, not to become part of it.

So I would suggest that if there is that moment to fact-check, and in reality, that's exactly what Donald Trump did. But the media didn't go back and do the follow-up. When Donald Trump said to Joe Biden on that stage, you guys took $5 million or $8 million, as it were, from China, and Joe said, We did not, we've never taken anything.

Well Trump was right, even down to the detail of the amount. And Joe Biden was lying. But you know what? The New York Times, the Washington Post, They just wiped their forehead and said, yep, it's Trump that's the liar. Turns out he was right.

All the more reason Donald Trump doesn't need to go on that stage because even when he tells the truth, the media won't count him as having told the truth. Here's what DeSantis says his approach is to the debate, cut to. I'm going to make the case that under Joe Biden, this country is in decline. We need to send Biden back to his basement in Delaware and reverse the country's decline. And I'm the guy that can do it.

I've proven it in the state of Florida, and I won't let people down as the next president. Of anyone on that stage, I'm the only one whose sole purpose is running to be the 47th President of the United States and to reverse this country's decline. I'm not running to be vice president. I'm not running to be in the cabinet. And I'm not running to be a contributor on cable news.

We're running to win. What do you think of that approach? He was half right. He was right when he said, I want to talk about how to change the economy and how to move the country forward. Where he made a huge mistake was he started sounding like Ted Cruz Back in 2016, when he said, I'm the only one.

And that is an insult to the other candidates to assume that they're only there because they want to be a cable news contributor or they want to be considered for a cabinet post. Let me assure you. Nobody that I can imagine would run for president and go through what you go through because you think you might get to be on TV. That's an insult to all the other candidates. And I think that that was beneath him and he shouldn't have said it.

He was right, however, to say, I'm not going out there to beat up Donald Trump and I'm not going out there to talk about the past. I want to talk about the future. And Brian, one thing I hope the candidates understand: nobody cares what they have done. I think a lot of us went to the stage in 2016. We went with an extraordinary level of policy experience and accomplishments.

A bunch of us were governors. We all knew each other. And we thought the country was looking for someone who could solve problems and who could fix things. But we found out they didn't care. They didn't want someone to go and oil the machinery.

They wanted someone to go and burn the place down. And people are so angry and so frustrated. You see it in that song, The Rich Men of North Richmond, or North of Richmond. That passion is ignited in a big part of this country. And they want to know: are you willing to go kick the doors down, throw the bums out?

Stop the stuff that's killing our country and give working people a chance. That's the message that will win. All right, Governor, put on your Nilstradamus hat. And asked Thursday morning, what's going to be the headline from the debate? I think it'll be if Ron DeSantis performs well, he's back in the game.

If he doesn't, if he doesn't dominate, then this narrative that's been going on for the last several weeks is that his campaign is faltering and imploding. Then somebody else will jumpstart above him. It could be Vivek, although Vivek's got to get his Israel issue fixed, or he won't go any further in the Republican primary. And I like him, I think he's the smartest guy on the stage, so articulate, so brilliant. But that was an unforced error for him to make the comments about U.S.

relationships with Israel in the Middle East. It shows. a lack of understanding of what's going on there. Other than that, I think it's going to be an opportunity for a Tim Scott. Who is so good on the stage?

He's so energetic. I think he could be one of those people that kind of emerged from this: wow, that guy's got something to say. He does. He's so positive, too. He'll be our guest a little bit next hour.

So thanks for the promotion. I don't know. That is no Stradamus. Like you almost had a vision that that was my guest next hour.

So, Governor, we'll see what happens there.

Well, it'll be a fun thing to watch. But it's so early, and I think sometimes people think that it's all about this one night. It could be the breakout moment for at least one person. And it could be the breakdown moment for per someone. if a person just totally botches it.

It could be the end of their candidacy. I mean, Rick Perry had that moment where he couldn't remember the third thing, the third agency he was going to get rid of. It was over.

So you always have the potential. You know, that you go in on the shoulders of your teammates and you come out on a gurney. That's always possible. That's the risk. But, you know, you're running for the most important job in the world.

You got to take the risk. Exactly. Just like sports on a daily basis, you got to go compete. There's winners and losers. That's what makes this exciting, except for there's more of a 162-game season, which you're trying to say, rather than a winner in.

Thanks so much, Governor. Great job. Thanks. Good to talk to you, Brian. Thank you, my friend.

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But right now, I want to talk to Al in WABC over in Yonkers. Hey, Al. Oh good morning to you. Brian You know, Brian, I just want to say, talking about debates, you had such a good uh positive discussion with the former governor of uh Huckabee, you know, in two thousand eight he was a dark horse candidate. got on that stage and uh made himself a national name.

So as we move forward to tomorrow night Wednesday night, I'm looking forward to the debate. I do believe that Governor DeSantis will have a good night. I don't believe this candidate, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, Ramashwami, I don't believe he'll be able to overtake the governor. He's had some questionable views with his support for Israel, our strong supporter in the Middle East. And I think his uh It will be short term his, you know, his poll numbers with his popularity.

Well, I mean, his foreign policy, I just don't get it. I mean, this guy's an Ivy League educated guy, says that we should have Russia agree not to be friends with China and then they can have a third of the Ukraine. What are you talking about? I mean, why would we ever trust them? What kind of deal is that?

Invade another country and then promise not to be nice to another country and you can keep the stuff? It's crazy. Thanks so much for the call, Al. I appreciate the positive approach. When we come back, Alan West, on the fact that we're selling the wall that we paid for for scrap.

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of illegal immigration in the history of the United States. And there are deadly Consequences. that are trying to kill our kids. And what we're literally witnessing There's a war zone. Every state is a border state.

It's time for this president to step up way past time and do his job. Republican governors showed up at the border, but they really should add Democratic governors too. If you look at with Pritzker's Illinois, it's happening in Illinois and Chicago. Of course, what's happening with Hokul's, New York, it is overrun with illegals. You see what's happening in Philadelphia, San Francisco, Los Angeles, every major city, but nothing like what's experienced in New York, Boston, Massachusetts, the governor's asking their citizens to take in illegal immigrants.

Are you crazy? They might be the next Einstein or be the next serial killer. You just want us to take in random people that you haven't screened so we can screen them? Are you crazy? Destroying cities?

That's what we're looking at. And by the way, they have priority over the homeless situation, which Democrats are doing a great job growing that population too. But yesterday, you just see a bunch of people seem to be spitting in the wind because this president is on vacation again. And these Democratic governors don't have the courage to stand up for what's best for their people or they're too worried about their party. Colonel Allen West joins me now.

He's the American Constitutional Rights Union Executive Director. Colonel, your reaction to the governors yesterday.

Well, you know, I just got back from four days down on the border in Kinney County, which sits in between Eagle Pass and Del Rio. It really is ground zero. While I was there, several high-speed chases, and I was even involved in bringing in about 12 illegal immigrants that we apprehended during a bailout. I've seen it firsthand and talked to the sheriff down there, Bradco, and the deputies.

Someone has to step up and do something about this. It's okay to go down and have a press conference and talk about what we all know is a problem, but when do we see these respective states coming together and saying we have to step up and do something where the federal government is not doing? And again, you go back to the Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, Clause Number 3, it grants the power to the states to do something in a case like this where they are being invaded, where there is an imminent danger. And Brian, having been in combat zones, I will tell you that we are fighting against an insurgency. You talk to anyone down there, they will tell you that this is not just a business organization.

This is a terrorist organization. They're well-funded. They have great intelligence operations. They have people that they are paying Americans to go out and scout and do reconnaissance of routes and trail. And passageways through a place like Kenney County so that they can get people through and around the checkpoints.

So it is time that we stop the talk and we start taking some action. And let's just bypass the federal government. I'll tell you, I know you have a view from Texas, but I feel like you guys are doing everything possible. I mean, you put those barriers into the Rio Grande, the federal government suing you to get them out. It was genius of Governor Abbott and Governor DeSantis, but Abbott led by putting these people on buses and saying, it's not my problem, only my problem.

It is your problem too.

Now, New York is forced to spend. And I live in New York. $1.7 billion year to date, $3 billion in two years, housing illegal immigrants, three meals a day, laundry, tents taking over parks and military bases, schools, universities. And now, three meals a day, and they get a menu. That's what they're getting now.

Now, they're expecting outrage.

Now, we have Democratic mayors fighting with Democratic governors, but it's everybody's problem now, Colonel. It's not just Texas and Arizona. Yeah, but but the thing is, Brian, we have to have people that stand up for the rule of law. And I disagree with you aiding and abetting human trafficking because that's what you're doing if you put it on buses and you're dispersing. You repatriate them back across the doggone Rio Grande River.

And you tell the Biden administration, you tell the Democrats and these progressive socialists that we will not be taking part of the undermining of the sovereignty of our respective states and the United States of America. You don't give them the talking point to be able to say you're inhumane and you're contributing in this way.

So tell me, I don't know the answer. But tell me, I don't know the answer to this. You got Federal Border Patrol is federal. You got your own sheriffs and your own police officers there on the ground, and you got them. But the Border Patrol, federal, you can't take them from the Border Patrol, put them on a Texas.

You don't turn them over to them. You don't turn them over to the Board of Patrol if you know that the Board of Patrol is going to continue to follow the unconstitutional order of catch and release. That's what you have to do. This is an unconstitutional order. This is unconstitutional what Joe Biden is doing.

And we have to stand up and say we're not going to be a part of it. And the thing is that you've got Border Patrol agents that I guarantee you they will stand with you and they will be a part of that because they want to do their job. You got ICE agents. They want to do their job. They see the drug trafficking crisis, the human and sex trafficking crisis, and they want to stand on what is right and true and lawful as well.

So I think that it's time that Republicans stop running scared of Democrats and stand up and say, this is a bunch of crap. We're not going to allow it to happen. And we're going to draw a line right here in Texas or wherever. And we're going to push back and we're going to send these people. You can't do Arizona because you have a Democratic governor who's useless.

But you can do Texas. And I've never seen that. I have not, like, in fact, I've seen the other way where Border Patrol is telling Operation Lone Star to get out of the way. They have to let them in, open the gate. I have not seen Operation Lone Star or the sheriff say, no, no, we're going to fly them back.

On a Texas jet, and we're going to drop them in Venezuela or whatever your takes. That would be state against federal government, right?

Well, you know, it comes back to the supremacy clause. And one of the things people have to understand about the supremacy clause is that states are subservient to the federal government when they are acting in concert with the rule of law, the Constitution. When you have an administration that is violating the Constitution of the United States of America, Article 4, Section 4, then we as a state, and it also says in the Texas State Constitution, Article 4, Section 7, that the governor of the state of Texas, as the commander of the Texas Military Department, has the power to repel invasions.

So he can invoke his Texas state constitution and the United States Constitution.

So again, I just think it is time for Republicans to stop allowing the Democrats to just run over them and do all of these unconstitutional things, especially when we see the ramifications and consequences of the death of Americans. This is a chemical war that China is waging against the United States of America, and no one seems to be doing anything about it.

So this border wall thing has got me totally incensed too.

So we bought a border wall for billions of dollars, and it's sitting in the desert. And the Democratic Senate passed a law, which is going to work in the House, that said, passed a rule that they're going to start putting it up. And it's going to happen in the fall, and Democrats know they can't even stand in the way of this. Also, Maorca has promised to plug 11 gaps, still has not done it. Ducey takes his storage containers off the border and promised that they would come to another barrier.

They have not done it yet. Maorca has just forgotten about it.

So when this passes, they start accelerating the auction of this border wall that's laying on the ground for scrap metals, pennies on the dollar. And now there's billions that have now gone out the door that we paid for on pure spite because Biden doesn't want to put up Trump's wall, even though it works. And again, this is something that is unconstitutional. This material has been appropriated. The American taxpayers have paid for it.

And now to undermine our border security and sovereignty, you know, he's set only, as you said, pennies on the dollar. Is that going back into the coffers of the United States Treasury? Is that going back to the American taxpayers that pay for it? No. And so, again, you are seeing the willful and intentional undermining of our country.

So are you saying, Colonel West, that Governor Abbott should put up the wall, see the wall, it's laying there, get your own contractors and put it up? Absolutely. It's already been paid for. You know, I come from the military, and I don't think playing defense is a good way, a good strategy. You've got to go on offense.

You've got to seize the initiative, and you've got to take it away. And you force them to come out and say that, no, we want to have an open border, which their actions are already showing. But this is a huge issue for the United States of America. You cannot be a country if you don't have a secure border. And if Joe Biden does not want to have a secure border, then he's not the president of the United States of America.

He just thinks that this is a piece of land in between Canada and Mexico. Last question. What do you expect to see at the debate? What's going to be the headline on Thursday morning in Colonel West's view? I think the headline will be: who is going to be the breakout candidate?

I think it's a strategic mistake for President Trump not to be there. I said before: just because you're rated preseason number one in the college football poll, you still got to get out there and play every game to get to the championship.

So I don't think that Donald Trump should cede that territory over to the other eight or nine people that are going to be on that stage. If you're the big grizzly bear in the forest, you need to be able to beat down the wolves. And I guess him not going gives other people an opportunity so you take advantage of it. Colonel West, thanks so much. My pleasure.

Go get him, Brian. All right, you go get him. Your calls next.

Now, the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Business's Varney and Company with Stuart Varney, live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. Yeah, we're back. Listen, when Stuart Garney comes to me, that'll be great. Afterwards, I usually have about 90 seconds, two minutes, so I'll squeeze in some calls.

I see about six lines of calls, so we'll get to them. Everyone's pumped up for this debate, and that'll be one of our topics. But the other thing, and I think it's going to be the top issue, according to CBS, is the economy. Two points back at 82%.

So the economy is 84%. When people are asked what they want to talk about at the debate, 82% is immigration. And there's no city who has been besieged more outside Texas and Arizona than New York City because there's so many opportunities. Let's listen together. That means it's time for Brian Kilmead, who joins us now.

President Biden reportedly auctioning off millions of dollars worth of unused border wall material. He's trying to stop Republicans from finishing the war. What do you make of that?

Well, I talked to Senator Tom Cotton, who's a lawyer, Lindsey Graham, too, and I'm saying to myself, I don't care, Republican or Democrat, we paid for that. There's 400 miles laying in the desert. And he starts picking up the pace with a government auction, pennies on the dollar, Stewart, to get rid of these pieces of fence, which are 28 feet high and effective. They funnel. And with those fences come the technology and the roads on both sides to let the Border Patrol do their job better and more effectively.

And he realizes this past the Democratic-controlled Senate en route to passing the House in a few weeks.

So he's picking up the pace. That is diabolical and evil and petty because he knows it helps his Border Patrol to have a fence. But he also knows it's Donald Trump's thing because he talked about it. That's how much he hates Trump more than he likes us. You know, let's turn our attention to mister Trump for a second.

He's only campaigned in Iowa just a few times since the start of the twenty twenty four season, so to speak. It's not stopping him, though, from dominating the polls. He's beating Ron DeSantis by twenty three points.

So what do you make of Trump's strategy to skip the debate and then turn himself into the Fulton County jail the very next day? Is he trying to divert attention from the Republican debate? Sure. Uh no doubt about it. And he's saying to himself, You know, I'm winning.

By 20 points, let's say someone scores big on me, I will regret that moment. And when you have an unscripted moment for two hours, that's why I'm not going to do it. But I just hung up with Colonel Allen West, who, you know, Donald Trump was very supportive of him when he got in that accident. He usually lost his life. He said, listen, you got to show up.

And if you are the big guy, you got to take on those guys. And remember, I thought Britt Yoon brought up a great point last night that in 1980, Ronald Reagan was so far ahead he didn't debate George H.W. Bush. And George H.W. Bush won Iowa.

And then Reagan gets back in and had to reclaim momentum and actually got the race and made him his VP.

So it is somewhat of a risk for Trump to jump in and to do this again, but I would love to have seen him down there. Uh I think it makes everybody better. And I think that Trump, instead of saying this is what I do theoretically, he could have, I'm sure he's pretty proud of his record.

So he could be defending his record. And I know that some people say, well, wait a second, he keeps getting himself in some legal jeopardy? That's easy out. People get into him on his case in indictment. Hey, guys, I can't engage on this because I'm in the middle of being, you know, I'm being railroaded with four separate cases.

Is there any chance that Trump could just turn up at the debate stadium and say, Hey, let me in? Shows up at 8:30, 8 o'clock at night for the debate begins at 9. Any chance he just shows up?

Well, will he sign that form that says I will support the nominee when he's already on the record saying there's about four people going for this nomination that I could never support?

So, would he sign that? That'll be key too if he does, in fact, show up. It'll be dramatic. That's something he would do. I just think for a guy running for the third time.

I don't know if he would do it. He didn't benefit from missing the last Fox debate. I don't think he's going to go to the Fox business debate either. He said, I'm not going to miss the first few. And you have Governor Sununu writing an editorial today saying, whatever happens after Iowa, if you don't win, get out, because it's the only way to stop Donald Trump because he has become vehemently not so much anti-Trump.

He's just convinced Trump can't win the general. I used to think that until these indictments were handed down. And a lot of people that were on the fence or said, I'm done with this, see such injustice and are pulling back and taking another look. Did you see Vivek Ramashwami preparing for the debate? He was playing tennis.

He posted a clip. He had a three-hour practice session on Monday, posted that clip. He's the most interesting candidate, isn't he? In a way. But his foreign policy is absolutely comic book.

I mean, Israel are going to stop funding. You can take Taiwan in 2028. Hey, Russia and China promised not to be partners, and you can keep 20% of Ukraine. I mean, that's idiotic. But he's playing to the part of the Republican Party that says, I don't want any part of the rest of the world.

I want to Fortress America. I think anyone who understands the world we live in, that is impossible.

So we can't retract and expect to be dominant.

So he's playing to that part of the party. And to me, he's too smart for that. I know he can't believe that. No, no, no, I think you're right. I missed that on the foreign policy.

All right, Brian, we're out of time. Thanks very much indeed. See you again real soon. Go get him, Stuart. Thanks so much.

Jim in Portland, Oregon. Hey, Jim. Hi, Brian. Oh, hi, Brian. My question to thee on that Hunter Biden case in Delaware.

If the special prosecutor was illegally appointed because he's a member of the government already, Could the judge kick him off the case? Wow, uh That would be interesting. That would be something the defense or the prosecution would have to petition. Say, listen, this guy. you know, this guy can't be The special prosecutor.

He's conflicted. Look at Bo Biden. They're partners. They're investigating Bo Biden's brother. They were celebrating a court case win together.

So that could be something also with the whistleblow coming forward, obviously with credibility, showing that he sat there and said he had no power. You need David Weiss to say, go defend himself and say, this is what I've been doing for the last five years. I think the answer is not good. Alex in Brooklyn. Alex.

Hey good morning. kind of goal, you know, I think Vivek Ramaswamy is going to win this debate, and he's going to be the number two after Trump, I think, in this primary because he just didn't have the name recognition until now. I think he's going to beat DeSantis. And about the border. Are you okay with his foreign policy, Alex?

With the Ukraine war, I didn't look into his foreign policy, but I think he's more original than Ron DeSantis, and he's more charismatic. And we're seeing his poll numbers go up. I think it's just he didn't have the name recognition. But on the border, I think Democratic politicians don't know it's going to hit them because it's going to be the first election where Democratic voters are going to vote against the open border because they're feeling the ramifications now. Alex, do you think it's going to help in New York?

You thought Zeldin was a hammer in New York last time. I think the illegal immigration thing is going to be the hammer that really nails Democrats this time. Thank you. Great point. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian Kilmead. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Killmee Show.

So glad you're here. We come to you from Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world, where we have 200 illegal migrant shelters. Just added a military base and took up two more fields in the middle of Randall's Island, where kids have no place to play now. And because we're a Sanctuary City, come one, come all. Tell me this: how do 150 20 year old men.

Need housing in America. Please tell me the strife they're going through and how they qualify for refugee status. It is a joke. Peter Morici on Shortly, he's an economist, John Rich, country music store. His book, his song rather, is number one.

He's going to talk to us about that. And Senator Tim Scott at the bottom of the hour, he's getting set for his big debate.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. We've got to remind ourselves just how hostile an adversary China is. They want to be number one in the world. They have the biggest army, the biggest navy.

They're militarizing the South China Sea. You've got to remind yourself first what we are dealing with. Yeah, Bob Leihiser would know. China, major brick summit in South Africa, as their rhetoric hits an all time high. Can the brick countries that include India and Russia compete with the I don't know uh the The NATO or any other major trade organization.

Meanwhile, Number two. Hunter Biden admitted in court in July that he was, in fact, paid substantial sums from Chinese companies. And this directly goes against what Joe Biden said in the debate in 2020 with Donald Trump. Yup, that was Jake Taffer suddenly realizing Hunter might be up to no good. Justice closing in on Hunter, as many media outlets are forced to cover his highly unethical international business deals.

When are they going to start focusing on the guy that was actually there every step of the way? And that's the big guy, the president. Number one. He stomped all over everybody in 2016. By showing up to debates, that's kind of how he got the nomination.

You know, he laid about himself. He, you know, he interrupted everybody. He dominated force of personality.

Well, you can't have force of personality if you're not there. That is Britt Yume. Here we are, debate number one: hours away, which is exactly where Trump will be, hours away. On Thursday, he'll turn himself into Georgia authorities. But Ron DeSantis will be center square because he will not show up.

We're going to look at the final eight: the topics, the issues, the bios, and more.

And let's do it first with Peter Morici. Peter, welcome back, our standing economist, business professor at the University of Maryland. Peter, the president is saying he's running on Bidenomics. That's going to get him another four years in office. That'll be a topic tonight.

He points to the job numbers and that we're not getting into a recession. Should he be proud of Bidenomics?

Well, I think he's gotten his program through. And by spending so much money, he has inflated the economy. I mean, the economy is growing, but Americans have had a lot of inflation. And it still remains significant, and they feel worse off.

So I think that he's going to have trouble running on that platform.

Now, some people have benefited. I mean, if you're in the construction business in Arizona and you're part of the effort to put up the semiconductors plant, or you're building a solar panel factory, or you're in the UAW and you're looking forward to these negotiations in a big raise, you're going to feel good about it. But most Americans are paying for all this spending, and it is really a lot. Through basically higher prices. And the reason for that is the deficit has doubled since before the pandemic.

And it's and that in turn has caused a lot of inflation. And so generally everybody's paying higher prices, but maybe say 20% of the population is profiting by Biden's programs.

So he has very negative approval ratings when it comes to the economy.

Now that doesn't mean the Republicans can turn around and nominate Donald Trump and expect to win. But if they were to nominate a Tim Scott, I think they would win. I I don't know about DeSantis. I mean, I'm kind of of two minds about him. Uh but if they nominated somebody like Sc Scott, I think they would win.

Interesting. The one thing we could say is, I think you said over the weekend that our deficit in the last year prior to the pandemic was, what, about $900 billion annually? It was 906. 60-something billion.

So now Biden keeps telling us he cut the deficit. He's cutting the deficit. First of all, the deficit went up a great deal during the pandemic because the economy shut down.

So you can say, well, it's lower than during the pandemic. Also, we were giving money away, so it's lower during the pandemic. The fair The fair comparison is the last year before the pandemic and this year. The last year before the pandemic, it was nine hundred sixty something billion. This year, it's going to be about double that, one point eight five trillion, a little more than double.

And as a share of GDP, it's way up. As compared to other industrialized countries, as compared to, say, the Europeans or the Japanese, it's very high. And so the credit rating in the United States goes down, the credit rating in the banks go down. I mean, have you noticed that Democrats these days become president? They spend a lot of money.

and the U.S. credit rating goes down? Yeah, why is that? Is that Fitch, Fitch Analytics? Fitch Analytics is suddenly a political organization?

Why they tried to lobby him, too. And they said, No, you have to downgrade your credit. From what I see right now, it's downgraded. No one talks about that.

Well, it's an abstract thing to most people. It does say something about the management of the economy. What what people vote on is tangibles in their lives. They don't sit around it like Peter Morisi and go on T V and write op-eds all day. They they get paid.

They drive to work or they go to the grocery store and so forth. And they see the prices they pay as compared to what they're getting paid. And it doesn't look very favorable. Their standards of living are down. They've been struggling by essentially, they saved a lot during the pandemic because they couldn't go out.

They got these big stimulus checks, they didn't spend it all. That money is going to run out in the next couple of months. You know, we've been tracking it in economics. The economists have been tracking the extra savings people have. And it's gone.

So Peter Morici. I'll let you finish your thought. Go ahead. Wh once that happens, I'm sorry. Once that happens, then it becomes very tough to make ends meet.

and then you have to start running up credit card debt or really cutting back. Again, most people aren't like you and me. Most people get along on fifty, sixty, seventy household incomes of seventy, eighty, ninety thousand dollars combined. Or less. And when the price of paper towels, the price of canned beans and so forth is up so much.

It hurts. And so Joe Biden doesn't understand why he can go around the country, talk about all his great accomplishments, of which there are many. And people go sour on 'em. But you've got to have A better alternative than Donald Trump. It's going to be very, very difficult to run that guy and win.

Why? I don't think middle class women in the suburbs will vote for him, and that will be enough to swing the states that swing. I think it's that dumb simple.

Well, we'll see. I mean, people are taking a fresh look because of what they've they've experienced over the last few years, including the elite immigration problems. I understand that, but I look at the polling numbers and over and over again. He finishes below Biden. You know, in a head-to-head, he doesn't show well against Biden.

DeSantis shows a little better at times. The others are not well known enough to assess what a head-to-head poll would mean. But I mean, I I gotta think that someone like Tim Scott or Nikki Haley is just gonna look better. For one thing, you immediately get the contrast in age. Joe Biden, if he is takes office for a second term, has a one in three chance of And so that means Camela becomes president.

Camilla. not only doesn't excite people, she frightens a lot of people, including A lot of those very voters I just mentioned.

Now those suburban women women in Nassau County, New York or Westchester County or in the suburbs of Chicago are not going to say, I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden because of Camilla, because they're going to fear that they're going to be called a racist. But the reality is I think they won't. Yeah, just real quick on the economy for a second. There's a big story in the Wall Street Journal about these electric cars and how China has come up with 400 separate brands of cars and most of them in the scraph heap. Has the electric car been a failure to date?

As Ford and GM are beginning to worry when these subsidies run out, if they're just going to crater? What do you think, Peter? Oh no, I think we're going to have electric cars, but I think we're going to have a lot of electric car failures, just like we did when we introduced the internal combustion engine. There were lots of car makers, and within twenty years, we were down to about seven or eight. And then by the fifties, we were down to five, and then we were down to three, and then the Japanese came.

My feeling is that at the Wall Street Journal. That was an editorial and I read it. Man, that was an editorial, let's be clear. The Japanee the Chinese have generated a couple of very stellar electric car companies, and they're going to be very tough for Ford and General Motors to compete with because they are hothouse companies. They go from crisis to crisis living off government subsidies.

Tesla's going to do well, but the question is, how much of an industry will that give us? Tesla's not going to make. 15 or 20 million cars a year. They just can't build factories fast enough. My feeling is the Chinese cars are coming here.

Yeah, hopefully people are smart enough not to bring them here. That would be great. I hope so too. But the point is that they can make a car. They can make a good car.

General Motors has yet to demonstrate that it can make a reasonably accessible, affordable electric vehicle. You can get a Cadillac SUV that goes 500 miles, but they want to charge you $100,000. Right. And then who's replacing the battery? Who's going to afford that?

They can't afford that. And who's going to replace the battery and where are we going to put it? Because it's not going to be into traditional garbage dumps. And then who's going to get the rare earth and how are we going to mine it? It just works against our national interest.

All those issues. But I don't if you think we're going to continue with internal combustion engines for the next 20 years as we did the last 20 years, I don't think we are. The electric cars are coming. It's going to be a difficult transition, just like it was with automobiles in the first place. When I was a boy in New York City in the 1950s, there were still horses.

I know, but we knew that we made our own metal, made our own engines. We don't have the rare earth, and we're going to continue to have to deal with China. That's not in America's interest, and we have no infrastructure for it. Yet we have cars now. And when those substitutes are not going to be a lot of fun, there's other places to get this stuff.

There's other places to get this stuff. That's where Joe Biden isn't very smart. For example, there's a ton of lithium in Afghanistan, and he pulls us out. Right. I mean, that that's insane.

We're living this. We're living this idiocy. Peter Morishi, thanks so much. 1-866-408-7669. About 20 minutes.

I'll take you calls. Coming up next, John Rich, the great musical talents in our country, talks about our country and sings about it. Don't move. And then Tim Scott. It's Brian Killmead.

A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. It seems like these days, no matter what you say, someone's losing their ever-loving mind. It's like they're looking for a reason to have their fragile feelings hurt. Every single time my country truck I guess.

Mess it up. You got your fancy Tesla hooked up title club I know you're mad. You think I'm bad? Cause I'm breathing free at least. Last, and you're still stuck behind your mask, and I'm offended.

That is John Rich C on Fox and Friends this morning. His song. It's called I'm Offended off this brand new album. The Country Truth is doing extremely well on the charts. John, you just, when did you release this?

It came out last Thursday. And how's it doing? The Country Truth is the number one selling record in all genres right now. Number one selling record. How did you do that?

I mean, how did you get the word out about this?

Well, you, you know, Fox and Friends, uh, Bongino, man. Bongino got behind it big out of the gate. Truth, Rumble got behind it in a huge way. And everybody just kind of pressed down and said, hey, John's not a part of this system, so we've got to be his system. Let's get the word out.

And all my friends put the word out. And then people have to like the song, Brian. They have to like the song to go buy it. But they like the song. They like the record.

And it's crazy to look up and see it at the number one position. Are you bypassing a part of this industry? I'm bypassing the entire industry.

So I wrote the record, produced the record, performed the record, marketed the record, and now I'm out promoting the record. And so it's kind of a one-man show as far as the creative side. But then out here to get to the people, you let me on your radio show, people listening right now. That's the way it happens. Yeah, we got 200-plus stations listening to John Rich talk about his new song and his new album, The Country Truth.

Give me the normal process. I'm an artist. I'm in Nashville. I have a good song. Tell me the normal product.

I have an album, let's say. Yeah, so you would sign with a record label. The record label would put a bunch of money behind your video production and radio promotion and send you out on the road, and there'd be tours and buses and all this money that they spend before they ever sell the first record, hoping that you will sell records. The issue with that is, with the real issue, is the record labels. Will not allow people like myself, Oliver Anthony is another case.

If we wrote these songs while signed to a record label, you guys would never hear the songs because the label would never let those songs out. They would never put them out. Because of the content? Because of the content, because of what it's talking about. It goes against their ideology.

But I mean, the same thing we saw with Jason Aldean, because people started saying, wait a second, you don't want to hear this song? It's race. It's not racist. Take a look at it. And then he said, no, I'm doubling and tripling down.

That's the key, isn't it? Are we finding that out? Don't go to your publicists, go to your instinct in situations like that. Exactly right. You know, we've seen Americans destroy things.

We, the people, destroy things. I mean, $27 billion out of Bud Light in six months. I'd call that destruction. Organic, too. Yeah, yeah.

They'll disorganize protests. You know, Disney's another example. Target's another example.

So we've seen that they can tear things down. Let's see if they can build things too. And now you're seeing that. The same energy that knocked out these left-leaning schools of thought are now building up Oliver Anthony. Anthony and John Rich and Jason Aldean and the rest of us.

Here's 15 seconds of the song that's on the similar path as yours. Rich men, oh the rich men, Lord. Oh, just wanna hide. Total control. Want to know what you think?

Want to know what you think? So you reached out to Oliver. What was he like? Man, he is the real deal. I can tell you I've never met an artist That thinks like this guy.

He's turning down multi-million dollars Offers from the industry. And I asked him, I go, Why'd you turn on that big deal, man? He goes, I don't want their dirty money in my account. I mean, what an answer. Wow.

He said, God gave me these songs. You know, he's recently sober. He's got his family put together. And he says, I don't really want to have a music career. I want to have a music ministry.

That's what he told me.

So I love your voice, but I'm not a musician. I'm just a consumer. You, as a musician, do you love his voice? Oh, good Lord, yes. I mean, that is one of the best straight-ahead country voices I've heard in a long, long time.

It's almost in a way he's shouting musically. Yeah, he's upset. You know, I said this to a friend of mine that he's loud. He's angry, he's exhausted, he's shredded, he's sad, all in that performance. You can hear it in his voice.

Guess what Americans feel like right now? Sad, angry, exhausted, shredded, and they want to get loud. Only he's in tune. Only he's in tune. He put it in a song.

He's an important voice. I think artists, him, myself, Aldine, and others, we got to keep bringing the heat here. Are you? Do you see a camaraderie between, let's say, the three of you? 100%.

I mean, it's the same type of conversation with all of us. What about Brian Kelly of FGL? man, he has gotten a terrible deal. I mean, the the way he's been treated in the industry, but his his singing partner is allowed to have hit songs, but they won't play they won't play Brian Kelly songs. It's terrible.

And it's because, you know, he's not part of their club. And that's exactly what it is. The music industry is a big giant club. It's a system. If you sign with them, they're going to tell you what to say and when you can say it.

And if you don't like it, they'll say, Well, hit the road, Jack, you're done. I hope you're both at the Patriot Awards. I plan on being there. You're in Nashville, Tennessee. I plan on being there, man.

Right now, you have bunk beds and your place. Would I be one of the bunks? I could put you on a tour bus, man, and just keep you going all night. You don't want me in the house. You're getting a bus bot.

I'd have to ask the wife about that. No, you couldn't raise any more hell than I did. Absolutely not. He's got a stage and a full bar. It's amazing.

And you've earned every second of it. John, you're a genius. Pick up the new song I'm Offended Downloaded. I shared the new album, The Country Truth. Thanks, John.

Thanks, Brian. The great sinner, Tim Scott, next. Brian, Kill Me Chill. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead.

You know, Biden's policies have failed. We're going to offer a positive vision to get us out of the mess and to reverse the country's decline. If we do that, We will win. We will win the Presidency and we will win the House and the Senate, and we will have an opportunity to really change America for the better. We will end catch and release, and we will start catch and deport.

We have to secure our border. It is a huge national security threat, and we've got to get that done. And then we have to start dealing with the fact that our number one national security threat at this time is China. And literally nothing is being done. It's time to fire Joe Biden.

It is time to fire Merrick Garland. and it's time to fire Christopher Wray. We need to clean out the entire DOJ. We need to clean out the White House staff. We need to clean out all the political appointees so that we can restore confidence and integrity.

For the American people and the Department of Justice, because Lady Justice needs a blindfold. Senator Tim Scott, that was the last voice you heard. But that's we have eight candidates going to the stage in Milwaukee. 9 o'clock, it'll kick off Eastern time. It'll go for two hours, and then the debate will be in the books, and we'll see who's going to shine on Thursday and have the momentum and the winds of their back.

Perhaps it's Senator Tim Scott. He's near the top of the new brand new Fox Power rankings, now third in Iowa. Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina joins us now. Senator, how are you feeling? Hours from the big debate.

Brian, I'm feeling pretty good, to be honest, with the certainly have butterflies and looking forward to an opportunity to tell America why I believe she can tell American people why I believe that she can do for others what America has done for me. I'm excited about the opportunity to share the story of American progress that I've been blessed to live.

So that's your story, but there are things like Medicare, Social Security. What are you going to do to entitlements due to run out within 10 years? What about Ukraine, Russia, China? The challenge of China, as Mike Gallagher said, I wish someone would bring up China because no one really fully understands what a threat they are. And where do you stand with Saudi Arabia and other things where you have a previous this president say they're a pariah nation yet now begging for forgiveness?

Where does Senator Tim Scott, first when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to Saudi Arabia, when that question is posed to you, what do you say?

Well, thank you, Brian, for that question. And really, a great synopsis on many of the issues that are facing the American people and, frankly, the global economy and global security. And one of the places that you start first is that the greatest long-term existential threat to America is China. The question is, what do we do about that threat? First thing you do is stop China from spying on our kids.

Number two, stop them from buying our farmlands. And number three, stop them from stealing our intellectual property. But in order to accomplish those goals, we have to realize it's not about the strength of President Xi. It's actually about the weakness of President Biden. We need an American president who goes toe-to-toe with President Xi.

And additionally, we need to continue to work on eliminating the threat that comes from this rising axis of evil that is China, Russia, and Iran. The stronger we are in decimating and destroying the militaries that threaten our Nation, the better off we are long term. That also means that we have to take a look at Saudi Arabia that is willing to take a look at the new rising axis of evil and join forces first to threaten the world's reserve currency, which of course is the American dollar, and seeing these new coalitions being formed, whether it's BRICS and/or the next iteration of BRICS, these are things that we have to keep our eyes on if we want to understand the complexity of the global transformation that China wants to lead. The greatest force for good in the world today, besides our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Is the United States of America. We must stand strong, firm, and committed.

Our allies must know we're loyal and our adversaries must know that we are lethal. Here's what Mike Gallagher said I know somebody you respect in Wisconsin, Congressman Mike Gallagher, 25. It seems to me that the CCP is ratcheting up pressure. Even as the Biden administration seeks to engage China, to resurrect diplomatic and economic engagement, they're getting more and more aggressive.

So if nothing else, this would create a political opportunity for a Republican presidential candidate to get out there and articulate a strong, sensible alternative to the neo-zombie engagement that the Biden administration is putting forward, which ultimately, I think, puts us in a weaker position relative to the Chinese Communist Party. And he's not someone just to say rhetoric. He's not necessarily a political pundit. I think actually he's in the most bipartisan committee in Washington.

So it's an opportunity. And Vivek Ramaswamy says: listen, Taiwan, yeah, by 2028, we can let China take it over. But by that time, as soon as we take the tech industry back, the chip industry back, we can do it. Do you feel the same way? Let China take Taiwan?

It's not worth a world war? Look. Here's what we can tell you. The Ronald Reagan strategy of peace through strength needs a 2.0. As President of the United States, I will be the President who restores.

that we must carry a very big stick. That's called Strength. which re leads to peace. If we have that, we are a strong Powerful. Standing.

And that looks like to me, Brian, it simply says that in order for us to engage in the world, we must understand and appreciate the importance. of our military strength and our economic strength. Carrying a big stick is one part of the solution, decoupling our economy and having a strong independent economy from China. Is point number two. You always lead with the two strongest points you have.

The American economy is the marvel of the world, 27% of the world's GDP. When we start disengaging from China and becoming independent with our minerals, our microchips, and our medicines, we then stand in the strongest position to continue to attract allies to our nation and to create a firewall, keeping Americans safe and, frankly, reducing the likelihood of the kinetic option being used. You don't do that by disengaging from your allies, you do that by leaning into your allies, whether that's Taiwan or Israel. You never walk away from your allies. Right.

So, Governor Ron DeSantis feels as though he's going to be the target. He'll be in the center. He's been a consistent number two. You had good numbers coming out as the solid third in Iowa. I want to get to your take on the early states: South Carolina, which you feel you must feel you should take, New Hampshire, and Iowa.

Iowa. Here's what Ron DeSantis said, knowing he's going to be a target cut to. I'm going to make the case that under Joe Biden, this country is in decline. We need to send Biden back to his basement in Delaware and reverse the country's decline. And I'm the guy that can do it.

I've proven it in the state of Florida, and I won't let people down as the next president. Of anyone on that stage, I'm the only one whose sole purpose is running to be the 47th President of the United States and to reverse this country's decline. I'm not running to be vice president. I'm not running to be in the cabinet. And I'm not running to be a contributor on cable news.

We're running to win. He says he's the only one on the stage who's not trying to do something except win the presidency. Is he right? It's called hogwash. Anyone who puts through the goes through the process of preparing to be president of the United States who wants to be anything other than the president of the United States, they should not be in the race, B, should not be on the stage, and C, it's just completely ridiculous.

Every single person on that stage, I hope and pray, wants to be the leader of the free world. If you do not, don't show up for the debate. I would simply say that I know that America can do for others what she has done for me. We're going to focus on restoring hope and creating opportunities and protecting the America that we all love. And for me, that means that we start with the southern border because our southern border is wide open, unsafe, and insecure.

If you're going to be the commander-in-chief, the greatest actual threat to the American people is an open southern border. Closing that southern border will save 70,000 American lives because of fentanyl just in one year. We also have to back the blue. Brian, you know this as well as I do. Making sure that our law enforcement Have the best resources, the best training, so that the best want to wear the badge is absolutely essential to domestic tranquility.

When you look at your strategy, everybody's got to pick a state they're really got to battle on. Famously, Ruby Giuliani had the Florida strategy. I'm giving up the first two states, and I'll meet you in Florida. And by that time, he had collapsed.

Some people give up on Iowa. Where are you at now? You are third in Iowa. I see you fourth in single digits in New Hampshire. And South Carolina is your state, but you got Nikki Healy, the former governor, and you got President Trump, who's consistently number one in that state.

First, on Iowa. What's your strategy there?

Well, I will say what we've been doing is working in Iowa as well as the other two states that you just mentioned. People are starving for an optimistic, positive message as long as it's anchored in conservatism and you have a backbone. My message is not only resonating, but it's one of the reasons why we continue to climb in the polls and the size of our audiences in Iowa. Are absolutely exploding. And I thank God Almighty that Iowa is a state that's very interested in engaging about the critical issues of our time.

New Hampshire, we are in fourth place in New Hampshire, from what I understand in the latest polling, that's only two points from third and four points from second.

So the truth is that game on in New Hampshire, I look forward to taking the momentum from those two states. Bringing it home to South Carolina, winning South Carolina, and becoming the nominee for our party, and restoring hope for the American people that we can bring this nation together under. auspices of conservative values could have never let us down. When Chris Governor Chris Nuno wrote an editorial today in the New York Times saying if you don't win Iowa, you should get out of the race and consolidate or run the person that is closest to Trump in Iowa if they don't win outright. Do you agree with that?

Everybody has the right to run. I'm going to let every candidate make their own decisions, but I do believe that as the guy that will win, Iowa, I look forward to the team and the field coalescing behind my leadership and frankly helping me promote and encourage the vision of conservatism that sets captives free. It doesn't matter what zip code you come from, the one thing I can tell you about the American story and the American journey is it is alive, it is well, and it is healthy. We just need to continue to persuade the American people that we're not a country in decline. We are actually a country in retreat.

And the good news is when you're in retreat, change the leader. and just turn around, and we will be the greatest nation on God's green earth because the American people, Brian, we are strong. It's the government that is weak. Senator, sometimes I did stand up for a while, and sometimes you think something's funny and you get up there and like, I don't get a great response. You go up three or four times and you go, listen, I overthought how good that was going to be.

And sometimes you're surprised by some things you say that do get a good response.

Now that you've been out as a candidate for a few months, meeting people in groups of five and groups of five hundred and a thousand. What is the message that you say, wow, man, I'm going to pull back on that? And what is the message you said forwarding them? I'm going to lean forward. People really care about this.

And I have the stats in front of me that the economy and immigration, economy is number one, immigration is number two. I got it. But what does Tim Scott see when you roll up your sleeves without your jacket and you're in the general store and sometimes on the stage? You know, one of the things you'll hear in a diner in New Hampshire or a town hall in Iowa is that President Biden's economy, bidenomics, is devastating. The average household in the nation.

What I hear that works really well is authenticity. Having grown up in a single-parent household mired in poverty, the one thing I can tell you. Having my story. Feel the same as other people's story. Whether you're a rural kid in Iowa or you're a fella at a welding factory that I was in in New Hampshire, the one thing we all understand is when inflation goes high, your spending power comes low.

That devastates families today. Simply works because it's real. What I find that works everywhere I go is authenticity and sincerity. They want it to be anchored in facts. You've got to prove your point.

But the more you don't have a canned line, the better off you will be. And you listen, right?

Well, listen, I started my Faith in America tour as a listening tour so I could hear what the people were saying around this country to make a decision whether or not my life story, my policy positions over the last Few years, do they reflect what I'm hearing on the trail? And thank God Almighty they did. And I'm excited to have an opportunity, Brian, to be on that stage talking about the goodness of America and why we have to defend the values that made us possible. I know you said you thought you wanted Trump to be there, and you guys have not had a crossword yet. But now that he's not there, What changes for you being that we watched Dr.

Ben Corson and others say. You know, and Joe Biden for a while. People stopped engaging when they thought they were dropping out, like dropping back. How do the more you believe it or not, the more you're attacked and engaged, the better chance you have of being the headline the next day?

So now without Trump, what does Tim Scott do to make sure he's the lead in the conversation on Thursday morning? Uh oh. Brian, I think what I do is what I've just said, which is be authentic, sincere. Right. Take my optimistic, positive message.

But someone's going to take a shot at you, aren't they?

Well, I mean, you know, the prop chances are high that someone will have a disagreement. And frankly, I played college football and grew up in some tough neighborhoods. Take people taking a shot is called every day. And so when you're a black Republican, you're a unicorn. You get used to people taking shots at you.

So that's an everyday thing. What I have to make sure that I do is feel the shot when it's taken and not just completely ignore it because I'm so used to them. And so for me on the stage, what I will do is have an opportunity to respond to anyone who has an opportunity to draw the contrast. I don't think any of this is personal. I see this as an opportunity for us to all create the comparison and contrast that's necessary for people to make a decision that I want to be the next president of the United States.

And hopefully for your party, one day when you say that, you said, I used to be a black Republican, that used to be a unicorn. Hopefully, for the good of your party and for the future, that will be an old phrase that no longer applies at one point. I love that. I love that. Keep vocalized, and let's continue to spread the message.

See you in Milwaukee, Senator Tim Scott. The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Kilmead. How lame is this? A made-up pronoun is now a participation trophy for people who can't participate in actual life.

It's a built-in excuse for people going nowhere without having to travel to Delaware. But they're like people who say they're spiritual but not religious. They get tattoos so people can ask them about their tattoos. They brag when they've read a book. Their parents are usually well off and provided a good life for them, but yet they still hate capitalism.

They're the most boring people on the planet, even ahead of those who buy books by Brian Kilmead. And you by the way, do you see the crowd doesn't really laugh? Do you see what I'm talking about? But I don't know. Uh I guess it's kinda that thing and uh Greg continues to do that.

I think they're on your side there. Right. But he's. I'm going to be interviewing Greg for his book on. Thursday, it'll be on One Nation on Saturday.

He will not be in Milwaukee. He does not travel well. But I'll be there tomorrow doing the show tomorrow from the set. of uh from the stage right around the stage Of where they're going to have the debate.

So it's going to be great. We're going to have Brett. We're going to have Martha. We're going to have a lot of great guests. We're going to have a lot of candidates on Thursday.

I'll be at the diner. And I'll look where am I going to be, Eric, on Thursday? I'm not going to be at the diner where I'm doing Fox Friends. Oh, I'm going to stay at the diner. All right, so we'll probably bring a lot of candidates through.

You'll hear a lot of background noise, but most of all, the good news is you'll hear me. And guess what's coming up in November? Your chance to get Teddy and Booker T, two American icons, pushed America forward when it came to race relations in this great country. You'll love that story. Listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus, on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music with your Prime Membership, or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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