Donald Trump was right all along: Joe Biden lied about Hunter

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Meet Show. What a show we have for you today.

In a matter of hours, President will be indicted. What else is new? We'll talk about what it means for the overall race and so much more. This hour, I'm going to be joined by Alan Dershowitz in a matter of minutes to break down this case against him. It'll be about four o'clock when he reports.

And then at the bottom of the hour, Collis Yemen will be here talking about something we should be talking about more, and that is the threat that China. Face gives us, the American people gives us cyberly, militarily, economically, everywhere we go, they are trying to face off with us, including in space. And these are the types of these are the types of industries, the types of things we should be focusing on. But instead, we're token focusing on, well, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three: was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical? Nothing was unethical. Here's what the deal. My son has not made money.

in terms of this thing about uh what are you talking about china I have not had it. The only guy made money from China is this guy. Nice try. And that is part of the lying that went on in 2020 that was not called upon by the moderator and was not listened to by his opponent, then the sitting president. Joe Biden's a liar.

Once again, President Biden has shown to have flat-out lied about his son's knowledge and his role in the Hunter-Burisma dealings, as well as what happened in China. As Archer, Devin Archer's letter emerges with President Biden's name on it, pointing out 2020 lies that have not stopped. But even though the Washington Post is now calling him out for Pinocchios for his knowledge of his son's business dealings, man, if we only had this type of vigilance when he was running for president, he wouldn't be president. Number two. When do you expect you will meet that 40,000 mark to get on that stage?

Can you give me a timeline? Gosh, I do. I think it'd be about the next week to 10 days that we'll have that support. We've been averaging about 1,000 contributions a day. That is Mike Pence, 2024.

Trump Titanic lead on the field does not mean Republicans have decided on their nominee. A new poll gives hope to contenders like Mike Pence, who you just heard from, who now is taking a firm stand against the president and his actions on January 6th. Number one. Yeah, I think it's a legitimate case. I think, unlike the document case, it's going to have issues of proof.

I'm a little concerned about the slippery slope of criminalizing legitimate political activity. I'm worried about moving in that direction. Yes, here we go. Arraignment Day, number three, for former President Trump. Protests, caravans, planes, takeoffs, landings, and 15 seconds of the Trump team proceeding in and out of a courtroom.

We've seen this game plan before. And what's pretty consistent after, Donald Trump will make a speech, have a presser, probably make a speech, and his numbers will go up and his fundraising will increase. Joining us now, a man who didn't vote for Donald Trump and probably won't in the future, but understands his case and represented him at least once, Professor Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law. He also wrote the book, Get Trump, The Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, and Our Constitutional Rule of Law. Professor, first off, welcome back.

If I told you when you wrote the book. They were looking at three, four indictments in a year. Would you have thought it would get this serious, this aggressive?

Well, I predicted all four of the indictments, and I also predicted, although not in my book, but I predicted that Hunter Biden. A plea bargain would not be accepted. The reason my predictions are correct and CNNs are always wrong. Is there always wishful thinking? And mine is just based on my experience.

I don't have a horse in the race, I just try to predict based on. 60 years of doing this. But the main point of principle that I really want to get over is that, and this applies to both parties. the leading candidate against the incumbent President should never be prosecuted by the Attorney General of the President unless the case against him is overwhelming and beyond any dispute. The Nixon standard is what I call it, that it's so overwhelming that both parties support it.

That didn't happen in this third indictment. It's not going to happen in the fourth indictment. It didn't happen in the first New York indictment. It may have happened. In the Florida indictment, with that one piece of evidence of the president foolishly.

Waving a piece of classified material in front of a writer and a publisher. and saying I could have declassified this when I was president, but I didn't. But the crime there isn't particularly serious. It's a paper technical crime.

So I just don't think that they have it enough against this candidate who's now running forty four to forty four in the New York Times poll to use the criminal justice system to interfere with the election. And it seems to be something he said a year ago. He says, we're going to do everything constitutionally under the law to make sure he is never president again. He actually said that out loud, and it seems to be happening before our eyes while he pretends to be detached, sitting on a beach, all for 10 days.

So, Bill Barr, who's been the target of the president, also a great proponent of the president when the Mueller report came in taking over Jeff Sessions, said this about Republicans and maybe you, Alan Dershowitz, have a problem with the indictment when it comes to indicting free speech. Listen to what he said on CNN, cut to they're also saying that he was just exercising his First Amendment right here. Do you think that's a valid argument, in your view? No, I really don't think that's a valid argument because as the indictment says, they're not attacking his First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants.

He can even lie. He can even tell people that the election was stolen when he knew better. Uh That does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. All conspiracies involve speech, and all fraud. Involves speech.

So free speech doesn't give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy. And if I could fast forward, I think he's talking about the electors in Michigan and Georgia and places like that, maybe Arizona. Your thoughts on Bill Barr's assessment?

Well, I like Phil Barr. He's a good man, but I think he's just dead wrong about that. Of course, this is a free speech case. Everything involves his exercise of free speech. And not only First Amendment free speech.

But also, the First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances. The way you protest an election is to come up with a Alternate slate of electors. That was done in 1960. That was done at Tilden Hayes election. That's been done throughout history.

And of course in Hawaii, said that's the right way to do it. Uh you know, it's interesting that the indictment is based on lies. And the indictment itself contains a blatant lie by Jack Smith. He describes the speech of January sixth, a speech that I think was terrible, never should have been made. But he describes the speech in the indictment and deliberately and willfully leaves out the key words of the speech.

Namely, that the President told his people to protest peacefully and patriotically. By leaving out those words, it's a lie by omission. And under the standards set out in the indictment, Jack Smith could be indicted. He could also be indicted theoretically. It's not going to happen, obviously.

Under the Ku Klux Klan Statute, the Ku Klux Klan Statute says any people who conspire to deny somebody their constitutional rights is guilty of a crime?

Well, what if the Supreme Court ultimately rules As distinguished from what Barr said, that everything that Trump didn't say is protected by the First Amendment. That would mean that Jack Smith uh tried to deny Trump has constitutional rights in this indictment. I I make that point not to argue that Jack Smith should be indicted, of course not. To make the point that the indictment is so broad, so wide, so all-encompassing, it could include.

So much political conduct. You know, we have two presidents in our history. Of all of our presidents, only two have been called honest. Honest Abe and Washington and the Cherry Tree. Does that mean that every other President has been dishonest?

Probably. Probably every single one of them is told a fib to get elected or to stay in office. And we don't. Punish, we don't criminalize political lies. And the government's going to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump himself.

knew and believed that he had lost the election. I don't think anybody who knows Trump Thinks that that's true. Trump talked himself into believing that he had won the election. And if that's the case, Then there's no corrupt motive or intent. I agree.

Listen, Alan, you know him. He respects you. You'll tell him over and over again, you didn't vote for you. He's like, I don't believe you.

So you get along, you represent him. I have never had a moment when I've talked to him since the election, and I was the only one to do an interview with him after the election. And he has never, in a quiet moment on air, off air, radio TV, said that he didn't win. In fact, he gets mad at you. He goes, I know you don't believe it, but you know I won that election.

I know you don't want to follow it. You won the election. I go, I just don't see any proof that you might have won. I don't know. And we go back and forth and to the point where.

I know somebody that toured with him last summer and he said he wouldn't stop. He wouldn't stop off camera and the crowd didn't even react.

So he would say it, and people weren't even supporting it.

So, for you to put that in the document that he knows he lost the election, I think it's farcical. What do you think the significance is? They didn't put in conspiracy, and they didn't say he caused an insurrection. Do you think those charges could be coming, or do you think the fact that they're absence is significant? I think the absence is significant.

And I think obviously, Jack Smith, who's a smart prosecutor, very clever, creative prosecutor, knows that the speech itself was protected by the First Amendment when he said you wanted People to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully and patriotically. That protects the speech. Under the First Amendment.

So I don't think we're going to see any insurrection or any incitement because he didn't incite, he just advocated, and there's a difference. under the First Amendment, I do think that Uh this is not the kind of case that should ever be brought. Against the man who was running against the incumbent president. That's what they do in banana republics. the incumbent President gets his Attorney General to indict his political opponents.

And that shouldn't be happening in America. If it meets the Richard Nixon standard, you know, so obvious, so evident that crimes were committed that both parties agree with it. And you know, if if if Trump were caught, Really, giving a bribe or taking a bribe or doing anything like that. A lot of Republicans would have agreed that he should be indicted. You know, I spoke recently at a Republican club in Aspen, Colorado, and I spoke in a number of places.

I hardly met any Republicans who actually supported Trump's presidency. There's a lot of opposition to Trump's presidency among moderate centerist Republicans, but they also are strongly opposed to the weaponization of the criminal justice system. Against him because today it's against Trump, tomorrow it's against Biden. They're trying to impeach Biden for non-impeachable offenses. And the day after tomorrow it's against you, and then it's against me.

Look, already the 65 Project has come after me because I defended Donald Trump. They filed bar charges against me baselessly, and they've gone after every lawyer. And now, six, five of the lawyers. Or Characterized as unindicted co-conspirators. In this indictment, that sends a terrible message to lawyers.

Don't get near Trump. Don't defend him. Don't give him advice. If you do, you may find yourself on the wrong end of an indictment. Look, Professor Derse, you saw that his lawyer was forced to testify against him.

They said they claimed that he was involved in an illegal activity, I guess, hiding the document.

So, next thing you know, his lawyer is testifying against his client. We haven't seen that. I have never seen that in my life. I taught the ethics at Harvard Law School for many years. And I just don't see a basis.

For claiming that, that violates the privilege. Every time you have a meeting with a client, they always suggest things that might be criminal, and you tell them no. That's the essence of the lawyer client communications. I mean, I've had so many cases where a client says to me, wouldn't it be better if I go to Brazil? No, it wouldn't be.

They'll catch you, they'll bring you back. Wouldn't it be better if I paid this witness? No, they're going to get you on obstruction of justice. But those conversations occurred, and they're privileged. And the judge was wrong in suggesting that that privilege didn't apply.

Look, we have two laws in America: the laws for most of the rest of us and the laws for Donald Trump. That's why I wrote my book, Get Trump. It's all about this selective approach and prosecution of one man, Donald Trump. Understandably, Donald Trump has caused some real damage to democracy in America. That's why I vote against him.

And that's why I'm going to continue to vote against them, but I'm going to continue to defend the Constitution. I'm not going to let the sacred Constitution that I've been defending for 60 years To be put in the gutter because Democrats think it gives them an advantage. In the same way, I'm not going to allow, without comment, the Republicans to impeach Biden. Biden may have done some wrong things, but he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses, at least up to now. Professor, I want you to hear Bill Barr again take this case on, cut one.

Yeah, I think it's a legitimate case. I think, unlike the document case, it's going to have issues of proof. It's a more complicated case. And I think there are some downsides to it. There was I think there were reasons not to bring it.

I've said before, I'm a little concerned about the slippery slope of criminalizing legitimate political activity. I'm worried about moving in that direction. Do you think it's something you would have brought?

Okay. I think, I don't know if I would have approved the indictment, but as a legal matter, I don't see a problem with the indictment.

So he kind of hedged on both things, but he does see problems with it. But of course, there was no follow-up. What do you mean, the problems? But go ahead.

Well, I think he makes a point distinguishing between whether it's a legally sound indictment, and reasonably you could argue about that, but whether it should have been brought. No, it should not have been brought. And the proof, the evidence problem is going to be severe. You know, they brought Jared Kushner into the grand jury, and CNN immediately announced: oh, Jared Kushner slipped against his father-in-law. He's going to be the smoking gun.

Well, he testified, no. My father-in-law said, I believe it, I believe it, I believe it. We told him it wasn't true. But he insisted on saying I believe it.

So I don't know where they're going to get the evidence. the smoking gun evidence. They have smoking gun evidence in the document case, that video of waiving the classified material. But it's not that serious a case. But in this case, which is very serious, I just don't see where they're going to get the evidence.

Maybe they'll flip somebody, maybe they'll get somebody to say, Oh, yeah. After he thought nobody was listening, he admitted to me that he knew the election was fair. And I don't think that's going to happen because I don't think. That he ever thought the election was fair. I think he was wrong.

But under the First Amendment, you have the right to be wrong. New York Times versus Sullivan. establishes the principle that newspapers and certainly politicians and certainly in criminal cases, can't be prosecuted or sued For being wrong. You have to prove that they did it with malice. And I don't think they're going to be able to prove that against Donald Trump.

Professor, no better guess to start the hour with. Thanks so much. Go out and get his book, Get Trump, and understand the mission behind it. And it doesn't matter who you voted for, there's right and wrong. And this is a distraction for what the country really needs.

We have real issues. We saw what happened with our debt. We see what's going with the China challenge. And all we do is keep suing each other and trying each other. Thanks so much, Professor.

My pleasure. Thank you. All right.

Well, I'll kind of come back and take some calls. And then at the bottom of the air, Carlos Yimenez will join us from Florida. I cannot wait to talk to him. Don't move. Both sides, all opinions.

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He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. We just have to demonstrate that he will not take power. By uh if we uh if he does run. I'm making sure he uh Under the legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next president again.

Is that okay with you? The current president in 2022, a year ago, roughly, coming out in a press conference, one of his few, because he can't really speak well and doesn't really know his issues too well, he came out and said what everybody was thinking. Are you guys going after him just because you don't want him to be president? He said it. And what do we have a few years later?

Donald Trump, third indictment. This is the first time on something he did while president, even though it was the end of his presidency. The first two were one after, one before. And then the next one will be Georgia, which will be technically when he was still president. And there's so many problems with these kids.

If you think there are anybody who tells you on any channel, any channel, that he's going to be off easy or convicted easy, it's just flat out wrong. I talked to all these legal scholars, I am not one. But the good news is almost I have access to a lot of them. People have huge problems with this 45-page indictment. They want to know why it was rushed.

Because it's not done. And they also wanted to know why it took two and a half years to come up with something that doesn't have the biggest charges: conspiracy and insurrection. They could not find that Donald Trump was behind anything. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

When's the last time that the PRC asked for a high-level meeting with a senior U.S. government official?

Well, Congressman, the engagements that we've had, those have been reached by... mutual agreement. We issued an invitation. It was up to them to tell us whether they wanted to accept or come, and they came. Or they indicated they would like to.

Secretary, that's not. You know, I'm I'm asking a different kind of question. You're giving me a different kind of answer.

So doesn't it seem to you like that may be looked at around the world as a sign of weakness that we are the junior partner? Respectfully, sir, I completely disagree. I don't. I agree with the questioner who happens to be my next guest, and I'm not just saying because he is. Congressman Carlos Jimenez of Florida joins us now from the 28th District, House of Armed Services, Homeland Security, and China's Select Committee.

And it's a major concern, but a unifying cause, China. Everywhere you look, they're challenging us. And we're up for the challenge. I'd much rather take our system, but we've got to actually face the challenge and acknowledge it. And that's what the Congressman is trying to do.

Congressman, how significant was that exchange? And do you think you? You uh made your point to the assistant To the Assistant Secretary of State for Far East Asia, Daniel Crittenbrick. Did I make my point? Yeah, I made my point.

You think it landed? Did you agree with it? Oh, it landed, but he's never going to acknowledge it. I mean, he tried to go around and around because actually, it was a pretty simple question. When's the last time that.

They asked us for a high-level meeting. And he responded by saying, Well, they they said uh yes to us inviting them.

So So, you know, that's not the same thing. We didn't initiate it, we initiated. A please come over kind of thing. And they said, okay, we'll come over, but never, you know, he couldn't even tell me when was the last time that. they initiated something like that.

And then it looks around the world like we're always begging to please allow our Secretary of State to go to China. Please allow our Secretary of Treasury to go to China and see you, because we really want to see you. And then they acquiesce and say, yeah, okay, we'll allow you to come over here. And so, yeah, it looks to the world like they're the senior partner. We're the junior partner.

We're begging China to allow us to do this and that. And then we're asking China to come over here, and they're not the ones initiating that at all. Congressman, let's just think about that. Think about this. They took out our drone, a $130 million drone to the Russians.

The Russians are also buzzing our planes in Syria for no reason, and most of them are drones. And then we have China interdicting our destroyers and also buzzing our planes over China. Then they send a spycraft over our country, and we're begging them for a meeting. Really? We still don't know why the thousands well-dressed Chinese are deciding now is the perfect time to stream through our borders.

I don't really get that. I'd hate to live in China too, but why now?

So why wouldn't we look weak? We put all this money into the military and we're allowed to look like meek players on the world stage. And our allies are wondering: do we really have their back?

Well, I hope look, this is a very dangerous time for us. We need to step up militarily. The good thing about the China Select Committee, it's bipartisan. And while we may not agree on the what we need to do about it, we I can tell you that, yes, the the bipartisanship there, at least the Democrats see the threat. coming coming from China.

At least most of them see the threat. that's coming from China. And we've got to take steps to to confront that threat. One of the things that I want to do, I'm I'm much more hawkish about decoupling Front China. Look, every dollar that we spend in China, every time that we we spend a dollar for a Chinese product, et cetera, is undermining US interest.

Um The every Chinese company is by their law Mandated to cooperate with the PLA, the People's Liberation Army.

So, if there's any technology that's a benefit to the PLA, that Chinese company has to turn that over. to the PLA. We're looking Chairman Gallagher just asked BlackRock and MSCI to come before the committee because we're finding that your money, my money, if we're invested in four hundred one okay and index and index funds, et cetera, In BlackRock, we just took a sliver up s of of of some of their indexes, index funds, and we found that there was Half a billion dollars in American money going to Chinese companies that are actually blacklisted. that are they're investing in blacklisted Chinese companies. Our money, American money, pension money, et cetera, is being invested over there.

We have to stop it, and we have to stop it like right now. We can't make them continue to make them stronger while At the same time, the world looks at us getting weaker.

So I wanted to hear Mike Gallagher, who's chairman of the Select Committee, said this running through with BlackRock's disturbing behavior, and hopefully you guys are going to start your investigation in your hearing soon. Listen. We found that MSCI and BlackRock have invested in companies that produce the CCP's military aircraft. It's aircraft carriers, it's aerospace technology, it's artillery shells, and even its advanced nuclear technology. They've invested in companies like BGI Genomics, which collaborated with the Chinese military to collect genetic data on foreign persons without their consent, and other companies found to be complicit in supporting forced labor and human rights abuses in China.

Your pension, your kids' college endowment should not be funding America's foremost adversary, and that's what's happening. We are at risk of funding our own destruction.

So he was just running through, and I know you guys have great mutual respect for each other, and I am encouraged by the bipartisan nature of your approach on China. And um And I do hope that you guys both hold these BlackRock executives over. But Jamie Dimon came over and is talking about being a bridge between the countries. Elon Musk says, you know, pledged basically allegiance to the country because of Tesla. And I know he's done some great things for the country, but this is really disturbing.

But they feel as though they can bypass the government if they get to the business. And they go, what? You guys want to do business?

So they're bypassing this stuff. And they're going to people that are driven by the capitalist principles of the almighty dollar. And I get it, but there has to be, you have to be a patriot first. How can we do? Do you have to create laws or can you talk get through to people that you're an American first?

Unfortunately, I think we're going to have to create laws. I don't think look, we had a hedge fund manager in front of the our committee couple weeks ago and um and he and he was very you know he was very specific he was not going to be investing in china he wasn't going to be investing in areas, you know, that that that promote human slavery and and incarceration and and violates human rights and also is helping you know uh the the Create a powerful military. And so he wasn't going to be doing that. But I asked him if he was the exception or was he the rule? His answer was pretty interesting.

He said he would hope that he was the rule. He was hoping that he was the rule. I would guess that he's the exception. And so we're going to have to take matters a little bit into our own hands, and we're going to have to start putting rules down and laws down that will prohibit this kind of investment. It's just it's it's our self preservation, man, and it makes absolutely no sense.

That we continue to fund the instrument of our demise, just like Chairman Gallagher has said. I've been saying that from the get-go. There's some people in the committee that think, well, we have to have strategic decoupling and all that. And I understand strategic decoupling. No, I think we need to decouple, period.

And we need to move, we need to start buying things from our neighbors down in Central South America, incentivizing. Those areas to create new jobs, new factories, so that the people there have work. And by the way, you know what that does? That eases the strain on immigration also, because if you actually have you can make those countries better, improve the quality of life in those countries, they won't have to leave those countries and try to search for a better life here in the United States. And at the same time, we are weakening our main adversary, which is China.

China is not like the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was a third-rate Economic power, where they now we're finding it's really a second rate at the time, we thought it was a first-rate military. China is a first rate economic power that wants to become a first rate military power. And in fact, they want to overtake us economically and overtake us militarily and become the dominant force In the latter half of this century, we cannot allow that. We cannot live.

With the morals and the principles of the Chinese Communist Party. Look what they're doing to their own people. They will do that to us. They will do that to the rest of the world. We need to bring our partners along.

People are starting to wake up to it. We need to get Europe to wake up and stop doing business with the Chinese. By the way, doing business with the Chinese eventually is going to bite you anyway. And so those companies now, Elon Musk and Apple and every all those people that are there now, they need to to wake up to the fact that one day you're not going to have that company. They're going to take it over.

When they feel in their best interest they don't need you anymore, they'll throw you out. They absolutely will. They will steal your technology and go ahead and sue them. Congressman Yemenez is with us right now. Congressman, a couple other things.

By the way, just to our advantage, China right now has an unemployment problem with its next generation. They also have an issue where President Xi is gaining so much power. Basically, he's getting rid of any free market principles that propelled them over the last few years. And believe me, there has been some. And I think a lot of our allies are waking up to the evils of the Belt and Road program, including Italy, who is indicating they are looking to get out of it, as in many of these countries in Africa who took the short-term money and realized they are losing their airports and ports.

I want to fast forward and talk to you about 4 o'clock today. President Trump will be indicted officially for the third time when all these breathless reports will happen. But the other thing I'm keeping an eye on is the Washington Post today acknowledged something you and I have been knowing for a long time. Obviously, President Biden lied when he said he knew nothing about Hunter Biden's overseas business dealings. Lied in the debate when he came out and said his president, Hunter Biden, has no investment in China.

And now the Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler says Biden said his son earned no money from China. That is for Pinocchios. His son said otherwise. Biden's assertions have been directly rebuffed by Hunter himself and by Devin Archer. We know that he's gotten millions.

He went over there to start his company. He came out of there with millions of dollars. He traveled on Air Force II. Devin Archer testified behind closed doors. That transcript is now out.

So we see. That he lied about the 51 Intel experts saying that the laptop was not real in that debate. He lied that his son had no overseas business investment. That is indeed true. And he lied in a separate one debate.

He basically said it is not true eight times that Trump's assertions that he had overseas business dealings with Moscow mayor's wife and everything like that.

So even the Washington Post is waking up to this. At the same time, you have President Trump being indicted. Do you believe what do you believe will be the effect on first the primaries and then the election if this continues?

Well, in the primaries, I think every time they indict the former President, he actually gets stronger with his base. Because we see the double standard. We see the unfairness of it. Look, it's not it doesn't go unnoticed that every time that something bad comes out about Hunter Biden and President Joe Biden, the next day President Trump is indicted on something or additional charges are added. And then these charges that came up the came they don't even charge him with inciting the January sixth riots.

They incite him for free speech aspects of what he said. that he didn't that he believed that the election was stolen and that he has every single right to question the integrity of our election process. Look, hey, Stacey Abrams in Georgia did it. And what happens to her?

Well, she gets to play the President of the World on Star Trek. President Trump does the same thing about his election. He gets indicted. It is a double standard, and we see it. Look, uh the thing about President Biden, why is anybody surprised that all this is a bunch of lies?

The pres that Joe Biden's been lying for forty years, okay, since he ever he ever got into office. I always I can I have a great you know, uh whatever Biden says, Whatever he says. He's doing the opposite, all right? He's a pathological liar. His administration is full of pathological liars.

And so I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. I don't believe anything that comes out of anybody that works for President Biden. You got to see exactly what they're doing. And so, yeah, in the general election, the theory is that this is going to be death by a thousand cuts. But I think the American people.

Look, we have to continue our investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden. By the way, this is about Joe Biden, who's the current president of the United States, who I believe is compromised, who I believe has taken bribes, has guilty of impeachable offenses. But we have to continue diving into it, getting additional evidence, so that even the Washington Post, the New York Times, CBS, and NBC, and ABC are going to have to start saying, well, we've got to start to take a look at this because we're starting to look. Foolish. And then once we do that and we get the American people to say, yeah, okay, we're you're right, you were right all along.

This President is guilty of impeachable offenses, then we move forward. I think that our speaker is on the right track. I think Jamie Comer and And Jim Jordan are on the right track. We need to uncover more because there is more. And so, more to the point where people can't ignore it anymore.

Not even people on the left can ignore it. Front page of the New York Post today: a letter from President Biden, then vice president, to Devin Archer going to prison for embezzlement and all types of horrendous financial crimes. But went behind closed doors with you guys on Monday and sat for an interview. The New York Post got and sat with an interview yesterday. And one of the things they have produced from that interview is a letter from Vice President Biden saying, I want to apologize for not getting a chance to talk to you at a luncheon yesterday.

I've had trouble getting away from hosting President Hu, the president of China, he's trying to get away from to talk to Devin Archer, just like his son was blitzing an energy executive in China because evidently he didn't get back to him quick enough, saying his dad is sitting right next to him. He said, Glad you and Devin Archer, you and Hunter are working together. Rights in hand to Devin Archer. And what they had is understanding the regulatory process in Washington. Basically, what they had is access.

That's what the Bidens had with their hedge fund. Devin Archer admitted to it. He produced a letter.

So, will Joe Biden ever sit down and be asked why he lied?

Well, look, do I have faith that the current press outside of certain outlets like Fox and maybe Newsmax and stuff will be asking? And then the New York Post, which, by the way, the New York Post has done an unbelievable job with his entire story, has been on the front end of this.

So outside of that, no, I mean, you know, you give me hope. I haven't read the Post today.

So you're seeing the Washington Post, right? The Washington Post today. And so you give me hope that. Maybe, just maybe, you know, maybe we'll get some journalistic standards. If this was Trump, if this is named Donald Trump, and that was Donald Jr., they'd be all over this.

Congressman, and I have to go, I'm up against the break, but the real important thing for the country is we're doing with China. This stuff just hurts our country, but it has to be done, I guess, on both sides. That's the intramural game we're playing right now. Congressman Carlos Yemenez, thanks so much. Back in a moment.

Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. China ate your lunch, Joe. And no wonder your son goes in and he takes out, he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage.

He makes millions of dollars. And also, while we're at it, why is it just out of curiosity? The mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million. What did he do to deserve it? Says it's not true.

It's 100% true. And the follow-up was: it's your family that took money out of China. Not true. And by the way, as I said yesterday, if you want to know where a Trump building is or investment is, look at the front of the building. He doesn't hide any of it.

He loves it. He owns a building. He's in business. Like, I don't have a problem with Jared Kushner. He was in business before.

He was asked to join the administration, made about $100,000, didn't take a dime, almost went to prison for doing nothing. And then, with some of the contacts he made in politics, he went into business, not lobbying. He went in, and I guess he impressed some people in Saudi Arabia and got some business. It wasn't. Anything to do with policy.

Oh, yeah, I apologize. He might have actually produced. The biggest boon for peace in the Middle East in history, and that's the Abraham Accords. And if it wasn't for Saudi Arabia's cooperation, as much as you might dislike them, and there's a lot to dislike, if it wasn't for them, You don't have the Abraham Accords. Which might have done more for Israel's safety too than anybody else.

Letting everybody know they are not the problem in the Middle East. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmead Show.

So glad you're here. We come here from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. Let me see. What are we at? I think 10 blocks from the Roosevelt Hotel.

And the Roosevelt Hotel is significant because it is now teeming with illegal immigrants. Not the only place that's teeming with illegal immigrants, but I think it's important to know that. That we have a national problem right in New York City, and that is the amount of illegal immigrants. In our country, that we can't put anywhere, we can't afford to keep, and this is Democratic mayors who have nowhere to go.

So I come to you for 48th and 6th, okay, one block from the Roe Hotel, which is also overrun with illegal immigrants, a national problem at our border. But I digress. With me in the studio is John Levine. Also, coming up at the bottom of the hour, Bruce Blakeman. We're going to talk about the serial killer in Nassau County, and then we'll do a simulcast with Stuart Varney.

One of the things we're going to talk about is Bidenomics not working according to the Fitch report, which downgraded our credit. And Wall Street is not reacting positively predictably.

So, John, welcome. Everybody knows you've been covering the Hunter Biden case from the laptop on down. And man, this has hit warp speed since as everyone focuses on 4 o'clock today. And third indictment for President Trump. What are you focusing on?

Well, there's so many different threads of Hunter Biden to keep track of. Obviously, there's still this feels like a million years ago, but there's still the plea deal we have to still keep in the back of our minds. His legal team and the Justice Department are negotiating a new plea deal. Obviously, Judge Narika threw that out in Delaware last week. feels like a year ago.

So that's going to be something to keep an eye on. Obviously, Devin Archer is still clearly on some kind of a media tour before he reports to prison. Hopefully he'll be able to shed more light on exactly who Hunter Biden was calling when he would call back to D.C. on behalf of Barisma. Obviously, wink, wink, nod, nod, we can kind of surmise who he was calling, you know, who are his connections there.

There's really only one connection that matters.

So yeah, I think continuing to mine Devin Archer, and then also the Oversight Committee, I would say they're still talking to business partners. They've been in contact with Eric Schwerin, the CEO of Rosemont Seneca, the investment firm that both Hunter and Devin Archer worked at. He would be another major, major get from a business partner standpoint, who could shed much more light on all the activities and Joe Biden's involvement. And I don't know what the current status of him is. He's been working with the Oversight Committee.

They keep sort of being like, yeah, we're working with his attorneys. But eventually, he, I'm told, he is cooperating. But I think it's important for people who are undecided independents, who have three jobs, three kids, going 100 miles an hour, how much hotter the water is getting. And how much is accelerated? It went from the laptops on real, I swear it is.

To it is real. And look at the communication in it, man, that's pretty damning. And we see some indications of 10% for the big guy. And we see indications of him with an email to his daughter saying, I never will do to you what Pops does to me, and that is take a break and making me the breadwinner of the family and making me basically pay all the bills, as I paraphrase. And then we have Donald we have Donald Trump accuse.

Hunter Biden. You know, we see all this stuff in there. He thinks the whole laptop is real. And he accuses him. He says, Your son is doing business in China on your behalf.

Your son is doing business with the Moscow mayor on your behalf. Your son is on a board in Burismo in Ukraine. You're making money. This is the Biden family. No, it's not.

So I want you to listen first before we get people. all caught up in the in minutiae of it. In October of 2020, all these facts were out there, but no one acknowledged them.

So we know now. that as of the last few days, you knew for a while, John, we knew that Hunter Biden made millions of dollars worth of China. And now if you hear the Devin Archer, his business partner interview, they go to China to really form their company and they come out with millions of dollars that's going to invest in various complex hedge funds around the world. including in Moscow, Ukraine, in Kazakhstan and others.

So listen to this exchange in October of 2020, cut 18. In retrospect, was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical? Nothing was unethical. Here's what the deal. My son has not made money.

In terms of this thing about what are you talking about, China. I have not had it, the only guy made money from China is this guy. He's the only one. Nobody else has made money from China. Really?

So is how wrong is that? He knows it's wrong. He knows that he just wrote a letter on the cover of the New York Post today, Your Newspaper, John. that said what? That said, hey, a message from Vice President Biden to Devin Archer.

Hey, Devin, sorry I was unable to get away from President Hu of China to talk to you. Congratulations on your business with my son, Hunter Biden. He was so proud of his son. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. You go back to 2020, again, millions of years ago, and this was Russian disinformation.

This was, you can't believe this, Vladimir Putin just handed this over to the New York Post. And now you see Karine Jean-Pierre saying, you know, well, the president was never in business with his son, which, of course, is an update from her earlier statement, which he's never had any involvement in his son's overseas business. Or knowledge. Or knowledge. So the goalposts keep changing in very subtle ways, and they claim they're not changing.

It's really, I'm going to use a technical term, it's gaslighting of the American public. And who knows what the goalposts will be in six months as we begin to uncover more and more information.

So think about this. Devin Archer says that at least 10 times he called into the middle of business meetings and he knew he was calling in and put him on speakerphone. Devin Archer admitted that. His business was about navigating the regulations and knocking nations inside Washington, D.C. And the follow-up question was: you're talking about.

Lobbying influence. The regulatory environment. That's a great left about it. And guess who has that access? Not Jim Biden, Joe Biden.

That's right. Vice President. The regulatory environment in the White House, who is my father. Use the follow-up in 2020. Cut 19.

Once you make that president, he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow, in various other places. My son made a fortune. My son. And he didn't have a job. He filled, I'm gonna before I even have you comment, John, because I know you're steaming, cut 20.

China ate your lunch, Joe, and no wonder your son goes in and he takes out. He takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars. And also, while we're at it, why is it just out of curiosity? The mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million.

What did he do to deserve it? Everything Trump said there was true. It was based on the factual reporting of the New York Post exclusively at that time.

Now, a lot of other people have gotten into the coverage. At the time, your Twitter account was suspected. At the time Trump was saying that, it was only the New York Post covering it. Everything he said was true. Everything we reported was true.

Everything President Biden said was false, and that was allowed to stand because the rest of the media environment is a century and the moderator, Kristen Welker, who's a longtime Democrat, you know, move along, nothing to see here. allowed it to stand. And they basically covered for him and They didn't want to know. They didn't want to look into this. They just said, well, you know, New York Post can't trust them.

Shut it down, shut it down until after the election. After the election, then maybe we can start to probe some of this stuff as we have been doing now. Washington Post. Referring back to this, knowing the facts that we know now. Did a Glenn Kessler looked at that, gave him four Pinocchios for lying about all his business.

And I put it in front of you. You didn't even see it yet. It's not getting a lot of traction. And I put it in front of you. How significant is the Washington Post basically called the sitting president a liar about what he said to get the job?

The Washington Post is the House newspaper of Joe Biden in this White House.

So it's hugely significant to see this dam breaking. And you're starting to see other dams breaking. You know, something we didn't even talk about: the art buyers. Who's buying Hunter's art? And a major Democratic donor was identified by Business Insider, not previously a news outlet that's been covering this.

Is that a problem? Is that a problem? Well, I mean, so she buys the art, then she gets appointed to some presidential commission, the same commission that a different business partner was also previously appointed to. Move along, nothing to see here. And then we don't even know.

Someone else spent $875,000 on 11 pieces of art. We have no idea who that is. And I hope it's only a Democratic donor and not like a Chinese businessman or something. Who knows? Who knows?

Hunter Biden's been painting for about a year. And he's walking away with multi-million dollars. Also, you know what increases him? If you pang it in the White House for a week, it now increases the figure. Do you know what he gave his baby mama his art?

Even though it sucks, he knows someone's going to buy it for a lot of money and have a rich person do the same thing. It's probably a good deal. If I was the baby mama, I'd take it. That's going to sell really well. Unless He gets outed.

And this becomes apparent. And the people that buy them know that their name is going to be fun centered. That'll ruin the whole scheme. The whole scheme falls apart if the buyers get outed, because then you're who wants to go through this?

So yeah, the scheme rests on people not being outed. I want you to hear this, cut twenty-one. Did Burisma pay $183,000 a month with no experience in energy? My son did nothing wrong at Burisma. I think he did.

Mr. President, I'm not sure. He doesn't want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth. His position has been totally, thoroughly discarded. And then you know what he said next?

51 Intel experts 51 Intel experts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a whole other side show of this, because his campaign instigated the meeting with the Intel experts, Mike Morrell, and the people that signed that letter, to get that letter going.

So Biden could use it as a talking point. They were in cahoots. This is going to matter. If Joe Biden was a one-term lame duck, I'm not running again. I'm going to call it quits.

You and I might be like, well, this is all terrible, but he's going to retire in two years. But he's running for re-election, and this is going to be a major, major, major campaign issue because he's going to have to go in front of the American people and answer Glenn Kessler and his other sort of propagandists who are now turning on him and saying, Why did you lie to the American public? Why did you obfuscate and dissimulate about your son? And the media didn't have the story at the time, but you certainly did. And why weren't you straight with the American people?

John Levine, who's been leading the coverage for the New York Post aluminum, Miranda Devine, is here in studio. As everything he's been saying for the past two years is coming together with the people who were players, not named Biden, but about Biden. And I've always said it's not about addiction. It's not about loving hookers or porn stars. It's not about all that stuff.

It's about how it links to the family business and how it affects his foreign policy. Right. And they're very insidious, the Bidens. They're going to try to make this about porn stars and drug addiction. Biden is going to go on TV.

So he's a Democrats. I've been watching other channels. Yeah, this is his strategy. He loves his son. He had a drug addict.

Problem like many Americans, he had a drug problem and he got into a little trouble. But I love my son. That's what they're going to try. And then the Republicans are being mean, they're bullying my poor son with a drug problem. They're going to try, they're banking on the whole thing being too complicated for Americans to understand.

And they're going to, it's just going to be mean Republicans making fun of my son who was a drug addict. And I hope it is for his sake, former, but when there's Coke in the White House and you have a Cokehead in the United States, no one cares. And it's like there's a Cokehead in the White House, and we find Coke in the White House. Was he drug tested? And they won't even answer it, and the media won't ask it, and you are called irresponsible.

Karine J. Pierre will call you irresponsible. For asking that question. She called our reporter, irresponsible. All right, if you're Tony Bobolinski, the only person probably more frustrated than New York Post full-time employees, Tony Bobolinski, because he told you all this two years ago.

He had a press conference and no one wrote what he said. No one asked to be an interview. He said, Jake Tapper called me. Yeah, no, I mean, like, look, he was. He was a guy who worked with Hunter Biden in these businesses, met with Joe.

Definitely. And he just said what he knew. I mean, he had everything to lose by coming forward. I wouldn't say that his life has dramatically improved. He's not selling a book or anything.

And he just said what he knew, and everything he said was true. And now we have, obviously, a second business partner coming forward, and Devin Archer, also validating many of the same claims that Tony Bobolinski made. I don't know what your research shows, but I was off until yesterday, and Devin Archer in that 2018 exchange seems to be very tight with Hunter Biden. And I thought to myself, how forthcoming would he be on Monday? Do you know if that relationship still exists?

Because judging by the charges he'd been convicted of, Devin Archer is a pretty bad guy.

Well, right. Like, Devin Archer is not taking money from Indian tribes? Yeah, he's losing millions of people. He defrauded Native American tribes, and now he's got to do a year in prison for that. He's not a great person here.

And I think it goes, it underscores the fact that Hunter Biden associated with very shady people who were very free to commit crimes. Of their own. But, you know, Devin Archer has a story to tell, and I think I don't know what his long-term endgame here is, but I think certainly he doesn't have a relationship with Hunter anymore, especially not after Monday. Right. But he didn't totally out, he didn't come out and say Joe's influence allowed this business to exist.

Joe got 20%. He didn't do that. He said, no doubt about it, the Biden family brand allowed us to be successful and get access to these countries.

Well, he said Hunter would call back to DC. But what is DC? Like that, you know, we didn't really get an elaboration of that. But that, I mean, it's a wink, wink, nod, nod. We know what DC if Hunter's calling D.

C., who does Hunter call in D.C. when he needs something? What a knucklehead. The Vice President of the United States is meeting with the President who of China and is apologizing to a thirty-year-old business partner of his drug-adult son for not being able to get away from the President of China. You should live for that moment.

Can you focus on the country for a second? No, it just shows you where his priorities were at that time. And that was what, 2011, 2012? Yeah, 2011. 2011.

Yeah, it just shows you. This goes back a long, long, long time, and it just shows you where his priorities were. And again, so when he's on the debate stage, just totally BSing about this, I never was no involvement with any of this. He knew all of these people. And remember, he met with business partners in the White House.

That's like this business about like, well, we've finally proven that he was involved in the business. We've known this for years. We've been talking about this for years.

Some other people have Johnny come lately's have finally started to come around to it. The New York Times published such a damning statement, buried, of course, in one of their articles. It's long been known that Joe Biden had involvement with Hunter's business associates. They buried that. I did not know this is the first time we're hearing it.

I will send you that when we're off. And it was buried like, you know, paragraph 21, like all the best stuff of the Times gets buried when they have to do it. And it's an insane revelation because I'm sure that came as a shock to a lot of Times readers who've been told by that newspaper and the other sort of Bermuda news triangle that they all live in that there was no connection. It was right-wing myth. It was a lie from the lips of Vladimir Putin.

Right. John Levine, I can imagine how frustrating you are, but yet heartened that this is finally accelerating at warp speed. Yes, I'm tired of being right.

Okay, Mr. Trump, thank you very much. I'm tired of winning. All right, John Levine, thanks so much. New York Post, pick up the post.

They're always ahead of the curve. When we come back, I'll take your calls. And also, Bruce Blakeman at the back of the hour, Nassau County executive. If the Republicans cannot hold on to their seats, they cannot hold on to the House. He is one of the most powerful Republicans in New York.

We'll talk to him next. Also, about the serial killer on Long Island. How many more bodies are they hunting for in Massapequa? Don't move. Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead.

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. What happened in the last 48 hours? There's no way to sugarcoat this. It's bad news.

It's basically a rating agency saying your faith in the American government to pay you back has been diminished from a triple A to a double A. And that has nothing to do with any one event. It's just a long-term grind. On debt being issued by the company, regardless of politics at all. and the propensity to pay it back.

So, that of course is Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank, a great businessman in his own right, talking about the Fitch group actually downgrading U.S. debt.

So, what's the big deal? Who's Fitch and why does it matter?

Well, we have basically the highest debt sense we've had since World War II, and we're not in a World War.

Some of this is not our fault. 2008 collapse, not your fault, not my fault. Printed money to bring it back. Had a whole, we know, how the tarp and everything, how that worked out. And then we have a situation where the pandemic hit and we printed a lot of money.

So now we have 31 trillion dollars in debt. And they looked at that and they said, We're going to downgrade you from triple-A to double A plus. And the Wall Street has reacted. We've lost 141 points in the big picture, and we are the world's number one currency. And people lose faith in that.

We don't become, we don't have the currency anymore. The CBO projected that debt would reach 107% of the nation's GDP by 2029, which means, as a country, we have to. Go in on entitlements. Entitlements, Medicare, 10 years, Social Security, 10 years. That's going to contract unless we do something, but spending more is not going to do it.

Do we have the political courage to do it? Republicans and Democrats coming together.

Something like this could help, but instead, the administration blames Donald Trump.

Now, the insurrection didn't help, but this is not Trump's fault. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome back, everyone. Thanks so much for listening.

In about 15, 20 minutes, we're going to go on Fox Business to a simulcast with great Stuart Varney. But for now, let's talk to Bruce Blakeman, Nassau County executive, one of the outstanding ones in the country. And you look at what Nassau County is. It's more dense than a lot of states. Am I correct?

We're larger than 10 states in population. That's incredible. Our gross domestic products are larger than 144 nations in the United Nations. You were a Yankee State in the other day, and you're here in the studio to talk about one incident. You were about to meet a good friend of yours now, Alexa.

But I do want to talk to you about some serious things. In my town, Rex Uman's been nailed as the Gilgo, it looks accused of being the Gilgo serial killer. Number one, they're complaining they've wrecked the house. The FBI and everyone's wrecked the house. What do you guys think?

Say about that?

Well, first of all, the most important thing for me as county executive is to make sure that that neighborhood gets back to normal.

So we've passed emergency measures, and in conjunction with the town of Oyster Bay Supervisor Joe Saladino and the mayor of Massapequa Park, Mayor Pearl, we're instituting emergency measures that you can't even stop your car on that street. If you do, you will be ticketed. We have the police out there in force. We want the neighborhood to get back to normal. We don't want it to be some hideous tourist attraction.

Like at the Amityville Horror. Exactly.

So, you know, when we were kids, we went out to that Amityville house. People still go by. I know. We don't want one town over, by the way. We do not want that to happen here.

Massapequa, Massapequa Park, they're great communities, and we want it to get back to normal. It was an aberration that this really horrible person lived in the community. We wanted to get back to normal. I know Gilgo's Suffolk County. Yes.

So even though this happened, he lives in Nassau County. But from what you could tell me, they've linked him to three, maybe four. Murders? What could you tell us about what they're trying to link? Definitely three.

They think there might be a fourth and there might be more. But they did not say there was any linkage with Atlantic City killers. That's one thing they did. That was ruled out yesterday. All right.

So, where are you looking?

Well, first of all. Are you still going through Gilgo? Are they still going through Gilgo? I don't think they're going through Gilgo. I think what they're doing now is taking the evidence that they've already collected and trying to see if there's any attachment with the defendant that they have now.

But Ray Tierney, who's the district attorney of Suffolk County, was very smart when he got into office. He put together a task force with the FBI, the state police, obviously Suffolk County Police, and our department, Nassau County, and that's how they were able to crack this case. Let's talk about another major thing. And I was talking to another lawmaker in New York. If the House is going to stay Republican, all the pressure is going to be on New York.

And you guys flipped how many seats in New York in order to get the balance of power in the House? This is a blue state. Yes, so we had a great year last year, and we were able to flip two seats in Nassau County. Anthony D. S.

Bosito won the South Shore seat. And unfortunately, George Santos won the seat up on the North Shore. We're going to replace him. We're not going to run him again. We're going to run a really good candidate.

You know, Kevin McCarthy's been in Nassau County a couple of times now. Scalise has been in Nassau County. It's very important that we keep the D.S. Besido seat and the North Shore seat.

So we're going to be working very hard, and we're getting help from Washington. You don't have Lee Zeldin trying to shock the world, getting very close to being the next governor. Does that concern you?

Well, it's going to be a lot of momentum. It's a presidential year, but the more they do crazy things in Albany and Washington, and the more they move to the far left on a woke agenda, the more red Nassau and Suffolk County are becoming. I mean, Long Island right now, they're calling North Florida because basically the people have had enough with the liberal policies.

So if I understand they're going to start dumping illegal immigrants into SUNY Old Westbury, SUNY Stony Brook. He says he's looking at 3,000 sites throughout New York does Mayor Adams. How much power do you have to stop him from doing that? It overcrowds schools. It affects student life for universities.

You paying for this?

Well, Nassau County is not a sanctuary county, and so far we have not gotten migrants. Into Nassau County.

So we will continue to resist it. We'll fight as hard as we can, and we'll have to go to court. We'll go to court. We just saw you with the Yankees at Yankee Stadium, and we just saw you with Dana Perino, the great Bill Hammer. Tell us what brought you and Alexa together.

So the Stewart Manor Volunteer Fire Department has a 4th of July parade, which is kind of unique because the kids line up on both sides of the street for a mile and they pelt.

Well, the marchers with water balloons. Which one of which was you? One of which was me. There were other politicians with me. We were marching the parade.

So we're fair game. If you march in the parade, you know you're going to get hit. And I'm marching in the parade, and all of a sudden, I get an explosion on the back of my head by my ear. That stung, but I wasn't going to let anybody know that it hurt. And I'm saying to myself, you know.

Who threw that pitch that hit me? And we didn't know. The video surfaces. Her father took the video. And we put it up on Facebook.

And I said, I got to meet this girl.

So she has some arm. I mean, she's got an arm like a Yankee or a Met. Is it Alexia Cardicona? Cardi Don, Carda Don, Cardi Donald. Cardi Dona, Cardi Dona.

So Alexa, hi, how are you? Good, how are you? You were remarkably poised on television, equally poised on radio. Thanks for being here. Tell me about this parade and what you were looking to do.

Well, um, I was definitely trying to hit him but not his head. Right. Why did you want to hit the Nassau County executive? I wanted something to do. And it was part of the fun, right?

You were allowed to do this. That's important.

So, where did you get an arm like that? I believe it was what? How many feet? She was 100 feet away. 100 feet away.

Number one, you've got to get it. This thing keeps moving in your hand, so you've got to wind up and throw it. Tell me your approach.

Well, I was just in the moment. Was like I wind it up back and let it go. And what are your thoughts? about where it hit and how it hit. Oh, when it hit, I was like.

Oh my god, I hope he doesn't look back. You think he's gonna come after you? You know, you never know.

So you got hit in the back of the head. What would your parents say? They weren't too minded by it.

So I was happy with that. Right. So uh Bruce, did they you said they thought you were Mike Pence?

So what happened was We put it up on Facebook. It went viral. We got like 2 million hits on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. And then some Democratic operatives said it was Mike Pence that was hit.

So then it went viral again, everybody thinking it was Mike Pence.

So that's another fifteen million people that saw it. And then it went viral a third time when everybody said it wasn't Mike Pence, it was Bruce Blakeman that was hit in the head, the county executive in Massaw County.

So we got three hits and it ended up being over, what, forty million, Alexa? Forty million hits between Instagram, Facebook, And uh Twitter. Alexia, how old are you? Ten years old. Ten years old.

Who told you to throw like that? My dad and my grandpas are retired. New York City fireman, and he helps me too. Right. So they ta they taught your sports.

Are you a softball player? Yes.

So you can you know how to play? Yes.

Right. So it didn't really surprise you that you hit 'em. No, not really. Right, but you're more of a soccer player? Yes.

Tell me about that.

So, um, I used to be on the Franklin Square Dragons, and now I'm on Albertson. Right. Are you really good? Yes.

I thought so. Uh, because you kind of ascended, you get better to get on a team.

So, for you, it didn't end there. Why am I seeing video of you guys at Yankee Stadium? How did that happen?

So uh When It went viral with 40 million hits. I called Randy Levine, the president of the Yankees, and I said, You know, have you seen this video? And he hadn't, so I texted it to him. And I said, you know, it'd be great. For the Yankees to have her up there.

She's a Yankee fan.

So Randy arranged for us to come and attend batting practice. And at batting practice, All of the players and the coaches saw the video already. And they were like, so you're the little girl that that threw that rocket at Bruce Blakeman? And so Harrison Bader saw it, and Anthony Volpe saw it, and the hitting coach saw it.

So she was already a big star. And Alexia, tell me what happened.

So it was an amazing experience. We went there, we saw a couple of my favorite players, signed some balls and it was amazing. Right. And and you met some players too and they see it on video? Yes.

Now, did your parents have a chance to go? Yes, they did.

So they were there.

So how great was that? Did you get to watch a game? Yes, we did. Right. Are you guys watching games at home?

Are you baseball fans? Yes.

Right. So your dad, mom, and dad must have loved it. Yeah. Right. And her sister.

And her sister. All right.

And how did she do? Great. I mean, she's a star. You can tell. What a personality.

She's got a great family. Her sister's great. Her mom and dad, they're really just, you know, salt of the earth people from Franklin Square. And we've all had a lot of fun out of this.

So, Bruce, you're a good sport. Because if I got hit in the back of the head and you said it actually hurt, I don't know if you just put it up to you, you got the water out of your hair and just kept walking. I don't know if I would have been able to do that. Brian, I've been in that parade before, and every time I get in, I say, I am not going to let anybody know it hurts, and I know I'm going to get beaned, and that's just part of the fun. Listen, I think it's good for politicians to get in settings like that, get out of their ivory tower, get with the people, and let the community make fun of their politicians once in a while.

It's more real. One thing about firefighters and cops, they're fun, right? They put on fun events. And what are you wearing right now? I'm wearing my Nassau County Police Department polo shirt that Commissioner Pat Ryder gave us, a great police commissioner that we have.

We've got the 11th largest police department in the United States, great men and women who uphold the law each and every day and put their life on the line for us and the community. And thanks so much for introducing me to Alexa. Alexa, great best of luck with Albertson this year. And hopefully you'll end up in the Massa Pequa Soccer Club because they need some talent like you. All right?

All right.

All right.

Thanks, Alexa. And baseball and softball. They're going to the World Series. I heard that. Yeah, well, softball too, right?

Yeah. Both.

Now, the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Business's Varney and Company with Stuart Varney live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. Welcome back, everybody. In a matter of moment, we'll do an FBN simulcast. It's great.

We share audiences, so they have a chance to see, and you guys get a chance to see and hear and get two networks at once. Keep in mind, after we're done, I'll have a few minutes. If you want to get online, 1-866-408-7669 or email me, BrianKilmead.com, we'll have a chance to talk. Also, coming up on Saturday, you don't want to miss One Nation. We have a great roster of guests, including Andrew Gruhl, who's going to be on a different hour in this broadcast.

He's an outstanding chef and great opinion guy. He will miraculously appear right there. Brian, Trump arraigned in federal court this afternoon. I think he's going to. Use today and future court appearances as a kind of a soapbox to get his message out.

I think he'll hold center stage and dominate and talk about defending free speech. I think it's a plus for him. What say you?

Well, I think the contents of the case so far, 45 pages, if this is all they're going to do, unless they're going to do what they did in Mar-a-Lago and add additional charges, there's no conspiracy, there's no sedition. There's so much missing from this indictment that you thought that they might have uncovered some evidence that Donald Trump orchestrated this whole thing. They didn't.

So there's a couple of things missing here that would have people really concerned that want to see Donald Trump get through this, and it's not there. This is feeling more like the Alvin Bragg indictment than the Mar-a-Lago indictment. It's feeling like there's a lot of holes in it. He has not announced. Oppressor, but remember what he did last time?

He went back and held his Bedminster rally. I would not be, I have not heard of anything yet.

So he's going to land in DC, go up here, get your two minutes, get fingerprinted, and come out again. But I imagine he's not going to let this opportunity go by. But guess what else is happening, Stewart? We're not talking about Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley. We're not talking about the debate coming up on the 23rd yet.

It was all about Donald Trump. And most of the people are defending him outside Will Hurd and Chris Christie, who I have great respect for. They just are out of the Trump world. The others say, yeah, I'm running against him, but this is ridiculous. But what a contrast, Brian.

Trump's kind of in the dock and speaking out outside the courtroom, presumably on freedom of speech, defending it vigorously. And the President is on the beach. looking frail and unsteady. I mean, what a contrast here. You know what he also is doing?

You're looking like it has nothing to do with him. Oh, me. Oh, is there something going on? I don't know. You know why?

Because he doesn't want to make it seem like he's going after his opponent. I have nothing to do with it. Listen, the Department of Justice has nothing to do with me. I never met Jack Smith. I'm just at the beach.

You know, me, just Joe. I'm off for 10 days. But he's all over this. He said it. He said it one year ago.

I'm going to do everything within the law and the Constitution to make sure that Donald Trump is ever president again. Really? Well, is this the game plan that you said the quiet part out loud while you sit there shirtless on the beach?

Something I never thought I'd see, but unfortunately I did. But you did. What do you think? The Washington Post reporting that Obama warned Biden, hey, watch out for Trump in 2024. Obama says there's plenty of political strength there.

You know what? I think Obama got this one right. I do, but I gave this a lot of thought. Not knowing you're going to talk about it, but just thinking about it. Why do we know about it?

Now, was it an insider? Did Michelle let it slip in some Martha's Vineyard party we weren't invited to? It became out. He did it on purpose. And you know why?

It's a message, I think, to Democrats. You want Donald Trump president? Don't tell me you have a problem with Biden. We have to rally. We have to rally.

I don't care if you dislike Joe, but you don't want Donald Trump. And Joe Biden, and also Barack Obama said, I will do everything possible, Joe, to make sure you get elected. Let me know. He's going to lead the way. Also, if he came out of that meeting and thought Joe was losing it and should get out of it, and I want Gavin Newsome or Governor Pritzker, he would have let that go too, because I still think he is the powerbroker.

The guy that called up Hillary and said, Hillary, you concede, is the same guy that won and did a health check, I think, on President Biden and then threw an intentional leak, let everybody know Trump's formidable. I'm pretty sure the 78-year-old Joe Biden could assess that Trump is formidable. He sees the New York Times poll, the most friendly poll, in a dead heat with three indictments. Yeah, unbelievable, isn't it? That is unbelievable when you think about it.

Hey, Brian, I've got to run, but thanks, man. I'll see you very soon, promise. All right, see you in the hall. See you at the Christmas party. 1-8-6-6-408-7669.

All right, we've got a couple of minutes here. Let's go out to Mike in Washington. Hey, Mike. Hey Brian, how are you doing? Good.

What's on your mind? I want to know why people aren't suing Jack Smith. and the other people, just like Alvin Bragg is going after Trump. You have district attorneys and attorney generals all over the country that can sue this guy for harassment, election interference. These five attorneys can now sue him.

Yeah, five. File suits against this guy. I don't know what that would do, and I don't know if he's. I don't think he's vulnerable to a lawsuit. You might not like the case he brought, but why do you sue him?

But you you sue them for discovery. What's his evidence? Who's he talking to? Did he have any interaction with the Department of Justice and Biden? You most certainly can sue him.

Well, what they have is just they have a Freedom of Information Act that, and I think Judicial Watch has asked for it to see that very interaction, Mike.

So you're very onto something. I don't think it's a lawsuit's necessary. It's a FOIA request that would reveal communication. Steve, Pensacola Beach. Hey, Steve.

Hey, Brian, I was on with you right after Biden, uh, right after Hunter. Bard, yes. And Quinn Hillier from the Washington Examiner wrote a big piece comparing my cases. 27 years I served with distinction in the Army and Homeland Security, never had a speeding ticket. I was popped with 922 G three, which was something less comparable to what Hunter went through.

I tested positive. Mayor Juana Use. My responsibility. I take full responsibility. I went to federal prison for 15 months.

First time offender. First time offended. And this whole bot I've gotten People who had called and said, this can't be true. It is true.

So, if you don't think there's a two-tiered system of justice in this country, and when I was hit with that charge, I was not only It hurt emotionally, but for my country to do something like this. And now, this guy gets a diversion, bro. Steve, I 100% believe you. I will add this: I'm looking forward to the second deal. It can't look like the first deal.

And I think the real problem he has is his foreign business deals. It's going to be. Maybe millions of dollars more earned. We don't know where that money is, but he certainly didn't pay taxes on it. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmey Show.

So glad you're here. 1-866-408-7669. The great Carl Rove has been summoned and he has answered the call. We appreciate that. And Chef Andrew Gruhl, founder of American Gravy Concepts.

Not only a legendary chef, but also a very outspoken person about the economy. Very America for putting America red, white, and blue, putting America first guy.

So we'll talk to that great personality in a matter of moments. But first, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three: Was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical? Nothing was unethical. Here's what the deal. My son has not made money.

in terms of this thing about uh what are you talking about china I have not had it. The only guy made money from China is this guy. Doe Biden blatantly lying in 2020 at the debate with President Trump. Liar. Once again, President Biden is shown to be a flat-out liar when it comes to his knowledge and role in Hunter's business dealings.

As Archer's letter emerges with Biden's name on it and his transcript from his Monday meeting behind closed doors is come is out. You're not going to believe what's in it. But we point out the 2020 lies that may have gotten him, may have lost the election for him, have been proven to be true. And guess who else called him out today as a liar? The Washington Post.

Number two. When do you expect you will meet that 40,000 mark to get on that stage? Can you give me a timeline? Gosh, I do. I think, you know, I think it'll be about the next week to 10 days that we'll have that support.

We've been averaging about a thousand contributions a day. What's taken so long? 2024. Mike Pence, of course. Trump Titanic lead on the field does not mean Republicans have decided.

The new poll gives hope to contenders weeks before the first debate and the criteria has been announced for the second. We outline the defense and prosecution game plans and timelines. Number one. Yes, I think it's a legitimate case. I think unlike the document case, it's going to have issues of proof.

I'm a little concerned about the slippery slope of criminalizing legitimate political activity. I'm worried about moving in that direction. That is Bill Barr. Arraignment Day number three for former President Trump. Protests, caravans, planes, takeoffs and landings.

Fifteen seconds of the Trump tape preceded by hours of breathless speculation and the Jack Smith charges and post-indictment insight. Brace yourself. We are on the defense and prosecution game plans and what's likely going to be a big event. tonight with Donald Trump. Carl Rove joins us now.

Carl, so many times we go to you and go, okay, it's a new cycle. You've been here before. There's so much we have never been down this road before. And then, of course, the transcript that was just released of Devin Archer. Welcome back.

First off, The fact that the Washington Post has called out Joe Biden as a liar for Pinocchios. Is that significant for you? It is. And look, we all knew it. I mean, we knew that he Hunter Biden was on the payroll of Barisma.

We knew Hunter Biden was on the payroll of Chinese partnerships, where his partner was a state-associated energy company. Not in 2020. We were told people that had that information were lying. That laptop 51 Intel experts told us that was classic Russian disinformation.

So you're talking in 2023, but not 2020.

Well, you know what? We knew about Barisma. We knew absolutely that that was a stinky, sleazy situation. And we had lots of evidence that Hunter Biden, what was Hunter Biden doing going back and forth to China if he wasn't making money at it?

So there was every intimation when the laptop came out that there was likely to be a lot of accurate information on it. And the 51, you know, National security experts who signed that statement are now, you know, try and find one of them to come out and defend it today. Panetta did. Panetta did over the weekend. He said, I'm not.

Yeah. Yeah, I missed that one.

Well, so one out of 51. That's an astonishing vote of confidence in the quality of that statement. But look, I'm glad the Washington Post did it because it is worth reminding people that they were misled by Joe Biden about his son's activities. And we now know from the Devin Archer tape, or transcript, excuse me, his tape deposition, that there was not only a lot of smoke there, there's a lot of fire.

So, Carl Rover, our guest. Carl, just to give people an understanding of what's going on about this transcript, some highlights. Archer said that Hunter used his powerful Biden name to add value. Joel's role, not overt. We would use his dad to Use his dad's name for it when we had to.

The Biden brand, large part of the large part of the value, but not all the value of the company. He put dads on speakerphone 20 times minimum with different business partners. Archer said we would say things like we had a unique understanding of DC and how it operates. That was what they'd use.

So for people like Dan Goldman to say, I don't see any overt, I don't see any role for Joe Biden. That's just not the way it's done. And then $83,000 a month for Burisma. He says Burisma survived as long as it did because of the Biden brand. And Cafe Milano meeting, well, with the Moscow mayor, Yelena Batria, said, guess what?

It was preceded by a payment of $3.4 million.

So Joe is in that meeting in Cafe Milano.

So what do you think the American people would have thought had they got this out? in 2020. Oh, they wouldn't have liked it because it's sleazy. And I mean, think about it. Oh, we have well, we had we had him on the phone twenty times, but it it was just to say hello.

I mean, really? You're sitting there, you're talking you're telling people that you are wired into Washington. And you're wired into the administration and you can get things done for them. And oh, incidentally, it just so happens that the Vice President of the United States is sitting nearby. He'd love to say hello to you and ask how the weather is in the place where you are.

And I mean, come on. Burisma, think about this. Devin Archer is the longtime associate of and political bagman for the sitting U. S. Secretary of State.

John Kerry. Hunter Biden is the son of the sitting vice president of the United States who is in charge of the policy of the United States government to encourage Ukraine to crack down on corruption. And these two guys have no experience in corporate governance, no experience in Ukraine, and no business background in natural gas, burisma's business. And why are they there? Because in the old Soviet bloc, if you got in trouble with the authorities in Warsaw or Prague or Bratislava or Kiev, you hired Americans in order to say, don't mess around with us because we got stroke in Washington.

And the two guys on the burisma board are the running buddy of the Secretary of State and the son of the vice president. I mean, please, are we so stupid as to not be able to draw a line from point A to point B and understand what that's all about? I don't want to look back, but I think it's important because we might have a rematch, or at the very least, Joe Biden's going to be on stage as he defend his record and his background. Remember this moment, October 2020, debate with Trump. The moderator is Kristen Welker, Cut 18.

In retrospect, was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unnecessary? Yeah. Nothing was unethical. Here's what the deal. My son has not made money.

In terms of this thing about what are you talking about, China. I have not had it, the only guy made money from China is this guy. It's the only one. Nobody else has made money from China. 19, cut 19.

Would you make a president? He made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow. My son made a fortune. My son. And he didn't have a job.

Trump was 100% right. Yeah, and look, Biden could have, you know, Biden, the original problem here was when Biden found out about his son being on the board of burisma, that he did not, which it was public knowledge. He, you know, he knew, and I bet you a dime to a dollar that people inside the Obama White House talked to him about it. That's one of the interesting questions that has to be asked. We ought to ask it of Barack Obama.

We ought to ask it of Susan Rice. We ought to ask it of the chief of staff in 2014 and 2015 when this was all happening. Did the Obama White House consider it a problem and did somebody talk to Joe Biden? What should have happened is Joe Biden should have picked up the phone and said, you know what, son, I know you're going through a rough time. I know you've got to make a living, but you have put me and more importantly, our country in an awkward position.

Resign, you and Devin, get off of that board and find another way to make some money.

So a couple of things. I just want to hear more of it. Cut 20. China ate your lunch, Joe, and no wonder your son goes in and he takes out. He takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage.

He makes millions of dollars. And also, while we're at it, why is it just out of curiosity? The mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son three point five million dollars. What did he do to deserve it? And we still don't know the answer to that, but we know that Joe Biden joined the meeting in twenty fourteen with the mayor's wife.

Yes.

Now of course, let's be honest about this. Once again, Trump exaggerates. He made he managed billions. Look, this is a guy who can't manage his own pocketbook, his own wallet.

So the idea that he was somehow in charge of billions of dollars is ridiculous. He was being paid money because he was the son of the Vice President of the United States, and people thought that, that was some kind of an insurance policy, and they were willing to pay the high premium. And for Joe Biden, keep in mind, you can't say, well, I did it for my son. I showed up in parent-teacher night. No, according to the rest of that laptop, 10% of the big guy was real, right?

Remember, he was talking to his daughter saying, I will never do to you, what Pops does to me. I'm the sole provider of this family. Yeah, you know what, though? On the one hand, we don't trust Hunter Biden, and on the other hand, we're supposed to expect that this is accurate. I think that is the addicted, troubled, dangerous man making, you know, trying to justify his behavior by saying, I'm having to support Pop, and I have to give 10% of it.

I can't support my daughter because I am not answering. Keep in mind, Tony Bobolinski said the same thing. We knew we never should bring up Joe Biden's name, but we knew he was getting 10%.

So it's Tony Bobolinski, not on drugs. I want to see some proof on that before I go there. It's bad. I'm willing to say that this is Hunter running his mouth. In a way to his own advantage.

And think about it. He's telling his daughter, I can't be supportive of you because I'm pressured financially. I gotta support Pop.

Now, we don't know, you know, if there's evidence. Then by God, we ought to be told about it. But so far, this is Hunter, excuse me, Hunter running his mouth. We don't know. We don't have facts.

We got facts on a lot of the rest of this stuff. Particularly from the payments that he received that were part of the settlement. and that we've had confirmed. I don't know. The text message back and forth that led to these deals that led him right to the same place, they seem to have lined up.

So we'll see. Joe Biden got roped somehow. One way or another. We'll see. Yeah.

So we have at the same time a race with President Trump and Joe Biden looking like it's going to be a rematch as of right now. As President Trump goes at 4 o'clock today for these charges, a lot of people running against him who have been against him see a witch hunt. Does Carl Rove? I'm guided in these things by Bill Barr. Uh Andrew McCarthy and David French, and there's no agreement between the three of them.

I'm not a lawyer. I am. Look, what Donald Trump did in fomenting these theories about the election being stolen and trying to pressure the Vice President of the United States to undertake a role that he has no right to undertake under the Constitution. are are reprehensible. The question is, are they illegal?

And frankly, I don't know. And I don't appreciate what Donald Trump did, but I'm not certain that what he did necessarily is criminal, maybe reprehensible to have taken he had 60 shots in court to bring up any evidence of systemic fraud in these cases, and he lost in every case, including the toughest judgment, was rendered by a Trump appointed judge in Pennsylvania who said, you not only didn't have the proof for your allegations, you didn't even have specific allegations.

So you know, I I'm I I'm very uh Down on what he did to the country by putting us through that. But on the other hand, it wasn't illegal. And let me give you a concrete example. In 2000. We had a guy named Al Gore who went to court and said, I won't and or excuse me, who didn't go to court, who got three counties in Florida to to uh recount their vote.

Even though state law said that you had to have a certain standard in order to have a recount, and if a recount was necessary, it had to be conducted in all 67 counties in Florida. And eventually the U.S. Supreme Court held that this violated the Constitution because it was trying to run a recount under rules that were not in effect as of Election Day. And it violated the 14th Amendment because voters in three counties were being treated differently than voters in the other 64 counties in Florida. And why did they do this?

We now know from David Boyce, who is the lawyer before the Supreme Court for Al Gore, that because the political director of the Gore campaign said we can't abide by the rules and have a recount in all 67 counties in Florida because Bush's lead will likely grow. We can only win this thing if we have a selective recount, illegal selective recount, in three counties. And by a vote of seven to two, the Supreme Court said that was illegal.

Now, should Al Gore, should he have been somehow then charged in court and indicted? I don't know. I doubt it. But that's where we are. This is where does free speech end?

And when does illegal activity begin? And this is not going to be an easy question to be resolved in this case. Right. Here's Bill Barr. Cut one.

Yeah, I think it's a legitimate case. I think, unlike the document case, it's going to have issues of proof. It's a more complicated case. And I think there are some downsides to it. I think there were reasons not to bring it.

I've said before, I'm a little concerned about the slippery slope of criminalizing legitimate political activity. So he sees down the line this is going to be a problem. And remember the protests after Trump won the first time. Joe Biden had to gavel down his own party. Mm-hmm.

Last thing, how do you feel about Governor DeSantis accepting the Newsome challenge for a debate in November? Good move. Uh You know, it elevates Newsom and and is high stakes for DeSantis. If he if he has a good night, it elevates him. But he's putting a lot of emphasis on on a debate that's distracting from the message.

I mean, his message has got to be, here's why I ought to be president, not here's why Florida's better than California. That's that's not a bad message, don't get me wrong, but it's You know, and it's going to take away a lot of time. Look, you don't have a lot of time in a presidential campaign at this point. You are running, you know, and already he's got the debate in August, later this month in Milwaukee that Fox is carrying. There'll be a later debate at the Reagan Library.

He's going to have to prepare for those. Plus, he's going to now have to prepare for the Hennedy debate with Newsom.

Now, he's got a great case to make, but it's a high-stakes gamble. And I think he's got to go for a home run, a grand slam, because he's having trouble right now getting traction. Carl Rove, always educational. Thanks so much and insightful. I would give you a raise if I was controlled with the payroll.

Back in a moment, Brian Kilmicho. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back, everybody. In a matter of moments, Chef Andrew Gruel will be with us, founder of American Gravy Concepts.

You'll see him a judge of me. He's cooking shows. You'll also see him as outspoken on social media. Everything on inflation, the tip culture. We're talking about in California, converting toilet water to your drinking water.

Are you okay with that? He's been a big critic, and justifiably so, of what's going on in California with the prices, and especially what happened during the pandemic. We'll discuss that. We're also knowing that it's going to be about four and a half hours, and Donald Trump will be indicted for a third time. A third time, he'll be indicted.

And now we see so many problems with this case. It makes you wonder if they're going to do a phase indictment in order to steal the headlines. I mean, after Georgia, they're pretty much done with indictment. They'll max out on it. And after Georgia, how do you do it?

Well, you add some charges to the existing indictments.

So every time something happens with Devin Archer speaking out, with Hunter Biden speaking out, at leaking the Joe. Or Joe not doing press conferences, not getting rallies, not raising money. Out comes a Trump story. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead.

Well, that's crazy because there's not too many of these coal-fire ovens in New York City. And by the way, John Zublika, which you're showing right there, one of my favorite basically in New York. They're the best of the best. We got a lot of problems in New York City. There's trash, there's crime.

We saw the thing on the immigrants earlier. You got private jets, you name it. Pizza is probably the last thing on the list that people should be worried about right now. To me, it was nuts. Like, if you fix everything else, then worry about the pizza.

That's Dave Portnoy from Barstool. Famously, he's got his pizza contest where he tastes all the pizza and tells you what's good or not. And he's just upset, like many people are, to get rid of coal-fire pizzas as if that's a priority in our country. But it is in very green-oriented New York City. How did Chef Andrew Gruhl feel about that?

Founder of American Gravy Concept and a very successful entrepreneur in his own right, and goes to bat for the industry and that he dominates as a celebrity chef. Andrew, welcome back.

Well, welcome, I should say. Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. What was your reflections on this whole coal-fire pizza thing and what Dave Portnoy said?

Well, first, when I heard about this, I thought it was parody. I honestly thought this was like a Babylon B headline. And then when I looked into it and I realized it was real, you know, I agree with Dave, obviously. I mean, he's the pizza king. And as somebody who actually owns a pizza shop in California that was forced to go electric, I understand the perils and the tribulations of trying to create.

A good pizza off of essentially a glorified microwave. What do you say to people who, all of a sudden, pizza guys don't have a huge margin of profit?

Now they got to go invest in a new oven and a new vent, and that's a big project. Yeah, well, from a financial perspective, this actually is a game changer in the sense that it'll knock out most of the small independent artisanal pizza shops. People say, you know, online, of course, this became a huge fight and it was divisive, oh, it's only just a little contraption you got to add onto your pizza oven. We're talking $25,000 to $30,000. But to really have them stick it to all the pizza shop owners, you have to pay for the inspector to come and tell you what you need to do with your pizza shop.

$25,000 to $30,000 plus paying the inspector and then ultimately upkeeping this new equipment, that's going to put anybody out of business. Right, uh no question. And just think this is the same city that just fanned out with inspectors. If they found someone in the kitchen with a mask below their nose, $5,000, $5,000, $2,000, everyone was sitting there paranoid. Finally, I talked to a few owners, said, you know, my guys are working hard.

You know how sweaty that is. You do this for a living, how hard it is. They're grinding it out. Their mask is down. They get fine.

Some of the owners say, hey, listen, you're going to have to pay it yourself now. I mean, the city became an enemy of the restaurant business. It did. And I, you know, I've been saying this for years. California, too.

Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, look, you know, they're kind of brothers in arms there. I've been saying this for years. Restaurant owners are the enemy of the state. And here's why. They hate entrepreneurs because they want the state to run all independent businesses.

And restaurants are the way in which people become entrepreneurs typically, right? How many times you talk to someone, well, I think I want to open a restaurant.

Well, I tell everyone it's crazy. That's kind of the gateway into becoming an entrepreneur.

So they got to make you the enemy, and they got to make sure that you don't start trying to do your own thing and become independent. Because if you do, then you are trouble. Which, when people talk about cutting regulation, people think big stories. They're really smaller stories. Because the small business of Delis, if you start hitting them with all these regulations, the margins are so small that you drive them out of business.

And a lot of this green technology, this green push, is taking aim at you guys. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Of course. And let's look at what's going to happen: if you take out these small guys, these spaces aren't going to be retrofitted into direct retail. They're still going to be restaurants and they're going to be outfitted and permitted as restaurants.

Well, who's going to come in? It's these large guys that are coming in, the large guys that are effectively merging with the government, the 500-plus unit chains who are effectively turning food into plastic, and then they're just going to take over everything. And the government loves that because they merge with them. And really, I mean, that by its own definition is fascism. And you've got a few people that merge with the government and run our entire food system as opposed to all these independent entrepreneurs.

It's the independent entrepreneurs who create the jobs, right? Who become the family of their local community. This goes beyond just the food and the business. It goes into the actual community and the fabric of that community, which is food. Absolutely.

I want you to hear, too, it's not just going into restaurants and blowing up pizza kitchens. They're blowing up your kitchen. They want you to go to electric, and soon they've got to come for the restaurants. I don't know how you do it without gas ovens. Here's the press secretary being asked that question about the appliance crackdown.

So, from this administration, we've seen them go after gas stoves, air conditioning units with regulation, refrigerators, washing machines, dishwashers, now water heaters. How many more home appliances will Americans eventually have to replace than because of regulations?

So, just to be clear, when it comes to water heaters, and it is proposed, what has been put forward, and if it is enacted, it would not take it into effect until 2029.

So, let's not forget that.

So, we want to make sure that we have the facts out there. And if and when it is enacted, it's going to help consumers save about $11 billion a year. That's what the president wants to do. Feel better? No, because the way she wiggles and kind of wanders through that makes it as if it's going to be something way in the future and this is good for the climate.

If they enact this, the changes are going to be made today, right? Because the industry has to start to make those changes.

So even though it's coming, it's still going to be forced down our throats and it's going to cost a ton of money because they'll start removing the products from the supply chain that we can still use today because they know that the change is coming. And those new products, policy doesn't necessarily kind of match with culture here.

So they're pushing culture, and policy doesn't, the products aren't there.

So they're going to be incredibly expensive right off the bat. Needless to say, what she's talking about right there is going to cost the manufacturers $600, I think, to $700 million is what they estimate in order to make these changes. Andrew Gruhl, our guest, celebrity chef and founder of Slapfish, when you start your restaurant in 2012, what do you learn about business that really educated you to the point where you wanted to get your message out to the social media?

Well, for me, it was my first foray into understanding the strong arm of the government, right? Little things that I thought were somewhat insignificant or decisions that I could make myself, especially in California, the government had to make for me. They were inefficient and it cost five to ten times more money. And in the long run, it either was scrapped as a government program or it didn't actually meet the ends that the goal of the government program. It was just jobs.

So I realized that the number one enemy in the very beginning of running my own business was ultimately going to be, especially in California, the state government. But now we're seeing this kind of federal contraption that's distilling down into state governments that's controlling. Can you give me some of the regulations? Yeah, so I was about to open up my business. We were bootstrapped it.

It was like $130,000 to open up my first brick and mortar. Friends and family, $5,000 here and there. And right before I open up, they come in, the inspector, and says, well, you know, you're going to need an underground grease trap, even though we were grandfathered in. And even though it's coming in a year or so, before you open, you need to put this in today. $25,000, one day before I opened and marketed my business.

I ended up having to take out a million high-interest loans, which, if I wasn't scrappy enough, would have put me out of business. And I ultimately paid it off and kind of fought the force. But that's just one example where they come in and arbitrarily tell you, you have to do this because the policy is changing, and it's going to cost you this incredibly excessive amount of money. Who sends that? How does that attitude drip down to the inspector that walks into Andrew Gruhl's restaurant?

Where does that come from? That's a great question. The overall attitude, I think, from the street-level inspector isn't necessarily we want to screw the small guy. Instead, it's more along the lines of I need to job security, right? It's the bureaucracy.

It's the system. I need to be able to come back and re-inspect. We know that we need more money coming in. We want these programs to get bigger, not smaller, so that we can grow the size of the government, even on a local basis. And the more regulations that we create, then the more boxes they have to check and the more work that they have to.

You know, kind of complaints. You might have trouble doing it now. Not now, but you have established a success, but establishing yourself. When you look at the interest rates happening right now and inflation, people say, Well, it's going down, it's not a problem. I was seeing some of your Twitter feed.

You think it's still a problem? It's a massive problem because there's no cash available for small business owners. They all talk about how, oh, we're creating these, you know, these government-backed loans that are going to be available. That's not true. The only way you can get any of these loans as a small business owner, even outside the restaurant industry, is if you already have cash and capital.

You know, SBA to me is a joke. You can't get cash and capital unless you're already connected.

So it's a rich man's game. You've either got to have a ton of grit and figure out how to get through the system, which not that many people do, especially when they see the bureaucracy coming after them because it's scary, or you've got to be able to have deeply funded partners. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Wow. And right now you were able to not only survive, but in California, what made you a survivor in the pandemic, and then you started a program to help others? Yeah, well, it's about the community, right?

So you've got to bring the community together. And the government talks about, you know, How much they help, but they really don't.

So it was during the pandemic that we realized so many people were out of jobs, restaurant workers specifically. The government wasn't doing anything to help. Yeah, you can have unemployment, but since they misappropriated $60 billion in unemployment funds, sorry, you'll get it in six months.

So that's when we pulled a fund together and we actually raised over a half million dollars to help independent restaurant workers get money to get them to the next step. And the power of community was so strong that that was almost inspiring. There was a synergy that existed, and that's what kind of gave our business the wind behind the sales to continue moving forward and pull people together. Right. Do you get the sense that the American people want to eat out to eat more than ever because it was denied them for a couple of years?

Yeah, I mean, there's always you want what you can't have. But also, I think it's the community element. People want to get together, they want to just mingle in a community setting. It's that kind of town hall effect, and they want to go out to eat. We were stuck in our homes for so long.

People just want to get out and enjoy something. It's not even necessarily about the food itself, it's about the experience. And, you know, Food is culture and food is unity. Yeah, I always felt that way too. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but if the food's just good, I like the feel of a restaurant more than people say, Well, if the restaurant looks like crap, but the food is fantastic.

I'm like, okay, you know, I'm not food-oriented in that way. You probably are.

Well, I am in the sense that I know I need to create a quality product and support really good local farmers and food producers, but also I do understand that you need to see paneling, I don't want to see the kitchen. No, no, I mean, look, if you've got phenomenal food, then that's always going to be an added bonus. But service drives it more than food, I hate to say. You can have mediocre food and great service, and people are going to come back. You can have phenomenal food and bad service, and people aren't going to come back.

Andrew Gould, stick around, okay? Because you're also going to be on this weekend on One Nation, because I think it's so important when people talk about the big numbers and unemployment and GDP. That's one, that's for the economists. But you're somebody who is really the American economy. Back at a moment.

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A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back, everybody. Chef Andrew Gruel is with us, founder of the American Gravy Concepts. You can follow him at Chef Gruhl, I should say.

So, Andrew, during the pandemic, you were very outspoken. And do you have any tell me what you did? Yeah, so once Newsom started breaking all of his own rules and shutting restaurants down, but then keeping his restaurants open, I just had had enough. And I had always kind of remained a little bit on the sidelines politically, and I just started speaking out. And, you know, it went viral, and I started getting absolutely crushed by both customers and, you know, some of my contemporaries in the restaurant industry.

But furthermore, even the media, and I became a target. What was really interesting about it is that when I made my real statement about Newsom and that thing blew up, about eight days later, I got served an investigation by a labor commissioner in California on all my companies, companies that didn't even have employees. And they wrap you up in the red tape. There was nothing that was triggering it. There was no evidence of any wrongdoing.

We've always been a phenomenon. Weaponizing government against you. Yep. It cost us. I want to say $70,000 to $80,000 just to, I don't want to say fight it because it was in an investigation stage.

And do you know when it went away, when we stopped hearing anything from the kind of commissioner's agent, was the minute that the Newsome recall was approved to go on the ballot, poof, everything just slowly disappeared. Why do you think that is? I think because he just didn't feel like dealing with any of the backlash because I was making noise about it. And what I think is really funny is he did an interview with Jen Saki probably three or four months ago, and he talked about how everybody in his office tells him that he needs to stop watching Fox News. It's an obsession, right?

And he watches it 24-7.

Well, I was on 24-7 talking about my viral video going off on Newsom.

So I knew then and there he'd seen it, right? It's way too coincidental that, no joke, less than a week after I go off, this massive investigation is served. And there was no predicate to it, right? It wasn't as if there was a complaint that they were following up on. They wouldn't give us any information.

We had to take it to a superior court to try. And get to the bottom of it.

So, you didn't do that in California outside Orange County and a few others. That's gutsy, right? Because you had to speak your mind. But a lot of these people are way to the left and took that personal.

So they start staying away from your restaurant? Yeah, but I'll tell you what. But then again, you shut down. Our sales went up 500%. We did.

The minute I started speaking out, I had people calling up with a credit card number saying, just ring in $1,000. We just want to support you. It was unbelievable the support that we've gotten. And, you know, we talk about this parallel. But you still had to pay a ton of legal fees.

Yeah, we did. I mean, those legal fees just buried myself, my family. We had just had a new baby. My wife was freaking out. She was named on all the documents.

It was subpoenaing all of our personal bank accounts, all the business credits. Trust your relationship? I mean, you know, having a new baby stresses it. I know. Can you imagine that sitting around going, oh, did you really have to say that?

Now look at this. Fortunately, she's a fighter like I am.

So she was actually saying, go deeper, dig harder. That's awesome.

So that happens. But what is it going to tell you what kind of politician he is? Revengeful? Do we really need another vengeful politician out there? You don't agree with me?

I'll put you, I'll have to maybe force you to sell your company. Yeah, it's not just that. You did end up selling. We did end up selling the company, and then we restarted a new concept here in Orange County, and I'll tell you. What did you do?

So it's Calico Fish House. We've got a full-service restaurant and bar now. And, you know, what was interesting was getting that liquor license approved about eight months longer than it takes any other, anybody else. Even our attorneys were like, wow, this is absolutely unbelievable. But they approved it.

So I saw the weaponization of the government, as I mentioned last segment, in that they were just killing these restaurants that opened up. Oh, there's not six feet apart. You have too many people at tables. You're staying open too late. Or, you know, people walking around without masks.

You can sit down without a mask. To get up without a mask. I saw them inspectors while I was there, two separate times, walk right past the hostess, go right to the kitchen to try to stop or find a cook with a mask down. $5,000. Really?

You kept them closed for a year and a half. You're making them fill up half the restaurant, and now you're fine them. What kind of attitude is that?

Well, the thing is that it's all being forgotten about. And that is indicative and it's emblematic of the way in which they're going to govern moving forward.

Well, he goes to the French laundry. Of course. And I think people forget about that, and that's what's crazy. But also, the element there is that you're talking about government inspectors. What I saw even worse was the way in which they deputize citizens to basically do the same thing.

These COVID fanatics who would sit outside my restaurant, take photos of me talking to guests without a mask on, post them up on every single social site. The social contagion that's connected to the way in which they try and deputize people to turn on their neighbors, that's a scary thing because now you've got millions of people. Listen, I saw it, especially in a very blue state like Los Angeles. I could just imagine people walking around screaming at other people for not wearing a mask outside.

Now, what we know about wearing a mask outside, having kids play soccer and baseball with masks on. Remember this crap that was going on? Yeah, and look, it's not completely under, you know, kind of underground. It's still happening. That's the scary part because it's become a culture.

I want to ask you about something else they're doing. They're trying to convert toilet water and purify it and put it back in the system. Are you okay with that? No, because I don't trust the people that are doing it. I don't trust the government.

I don't trust a lot of these large utility companies. We've already seen how many mishaps we hear about, I mean, over and over and over again. And it's kind of like the whoops.

So, for us to question that, whether it's that, whether it's cultured, you know, sell-cultured chicken, all these things that are getting approved on the fly, when intellectually you're like, this doesn't make sense. Do I want to drink toilet water? Yeah, meat made in the laboratory? Don't think so. Real quick, tipping.

What's going on with the tipping craze? I could buy a smoothie, they want a tip. I buy a salad, they want a tip. When should you tip?

Well, I mean, that's up to you. I think you tip on service, right? You shouldn't feel obligated to tip. You've got to be able to do something to tip. But it's also a great incentive element.

I don't think we get rid of tipping because it incentivizes people. I was a waiter for a long time. I lived on tips. I made $2.35 an hour. It's now the obligatory tip.

That's the problem. And furthermore, what all these new IRS agents have done is that they're going back in and they're auditing all these tips because the tips now go through the credit cards. The credit card companies report the tips to the IRS.

So a lot of people don't realize that with these tips, the employee pays taxes on the tips and the business pays payroll taxes on it as well. I'm going to bring this up on television over the weekend, but everyone, tip in cash. Tip in cash. Right? Give the waiter a break.

They're not millionaires. They're just working hard for a living. Thanks so much. Andrew Gruhl, thank you very much. And we can follow him at Chef Gruhl.

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