No Trump indictment, yet, as Manhattan prosecutor blasts republicans, Trump

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Okay, that is my cue to talk. Hi, everyone. Brian Kilmead here. Patrick Murphy coming up a little bit later, the 32nd Under Secretary of the Army, Iraq Warbat, former congressman from Pennsylvania, a Democrat too. But I want to talk to him about what's going on with the recruiting this woke philosophy, the threat of China, and what's going on with China and Russia and the pledge they have to each other.

And where's this administration handing Bruce Springsteen a medal? I know there's got to be some other time. You got to do that. I know there's ceremonial aspects to being president. I'm all for that, but you got to do the job, too.

The president's approval rating now is 38% because most of you. Even those who voted for him. Feel as though he's not at a very critical time in many different ways. But it's all correctable. And there's a lot of action today in Washington, D.C., as well, as well as New York City.

So let's get to the big three.

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Would you allow a Chinese company to become or own ATT and Verizon? No, we have laws against that. Yes, we have laws against that, and we're not going to do it.

So here you go. That is Tristan Harris. He's one of the foremost experts on social media in the nation. Bannet. TikTok CEO is on Capitol Hill.

High stakes today. He's going to get a grilling from both sides. At stake, the future access to Americans. And if we're serious about competing with China and our national security matters to you, like it does Norway, India, Netherlands, and Italy. Ban it.

Number two. You know, he was laughing and he was good-humored about it, said he kind of liked de sanctimonious, though he couldn't spell it. DeSantis says, you know, I got, I'm putting points on the board. In other words, he's emphasizing the fact that he has a record in Florida that he's proud of.

So he seems content for now to deal with Trump in that way. I have no problem with that. Britt Yume with his incident analysis is always great. Trump team comes out, guns ablazing, after Governor DeSantis leveled some subtle shots at the former president. Most of the attacks won't stick, though, as few would believe that DeSantis was pro-lockdown and Mitt Romney clone, really?

Hey, Gov, after this, you might as well just make it official and climb aboard and declare that you are in as a candidate. Number I think Alvin Bragg may be going back to what he initially thought when he first won the job, which was he shouldn't bring this case.

So the fundamental question is: what changed? President Trump announces he's running for president. That changed. Jim Jordan yesterday. Delay.

A mystery why grand jury did not meet in New York City in the case of Donald Trump and the hush payments. But grand jury will be meeting today beginning at noon. Is an indictment next, or is Alvin Bragg going to blow up the grand jury? Because the grand jury evidently heard from Costello, Robert Costello, the former attorney to Michael Cohen proved that he was lying again, talked about his track record in his past, and reportedly, according to great sources that we have here at Fox News, the grand jury was no longer looking to indict the President. Also, it was brilliant of the President last weekend to come out and just say Saturday.

I'm going to be indicted. Because it put all the pressure on Alvin Bregg. He wasn't going to sneak it in and make the announcement, call on McColl down to Mar-a-Lago, and have to deal with 12 hours of scrutiny.

Now he's got a deal and maybe applause and pats on the back from people in his party.

Now he's looking around here in the commentary and see a lot of Democrats say, Really? Is this the case? They're going to break 230 years of American history? We're going to indict a former president, even one that was in scandal in the past. We've never done that before.

Bill Clinton, Paula Jones, Hush Money, Hillary Clinton, Dossier, John F. Kennedy, had he survived all the affairs that he had? Did he sacrifice Assessment Security? Was he blackmailed? All these things that went on, we never even, after the Civil War, indicted people, let alone now.

Lincoln thought it was important to keep people together. Nixon had problems with the way Kennedy ran his election and what happened in Illinois. Word is, and some people confirm that the mob basically paid off and delivered Illinois to give JFK the presidency. Nixon turned around and said, Yeah, I'm not going to compete. I'm not going to jeopardize the country's security for that.

But yeah, Alvin Bragg, the 39-year-old. Uh district attorney. Financed by George Soros over a million dollars to win a campaign that many people didn't even focus on. That's what he's going to look at.

So we don't know what the delay was, but I think a lot of the delay has to be with the grand jury. It's usually seeing just one side. They indict and then they try. But now they can't even get to the indictment. Joe Takapina, Trump's attorney on the chaos, cut one.

The grand jury proceeding is the DA's proceeding. It's not a joint proceeding. It's something that they use as a mechanism to bring a charge. It's a formality for the most part. But we don't know what's going on.

But I can tell you, there appears to be chaos in that office right now, as there should be, because the Manhattan District Attorney's Office was once the pinnacle of prosecutor's office in this country. You know, now it's something that's being used as a political tool. And when I see the justice system and a prosecutor's office being used to weaponize the justice system against an individual, it makes me sick to my stomach. As a former prosecutor, I could never have imagined this. I wouldn't be for Barack Obama.

I wouldn't do it for Bill Clinton. I wouldn't look for that. I don't care what party you're in. If it's egregious and you do what Oberdor does, seemingly, and you sold your soul to the cartels to stay in power and you want to prosecute that, that's not what this is. This is something that happened 17 years ago.

The president wins an election, loses his election, goes back to try to win an election, and now you bring it up. And the person that's bringing it forward is his former attorney, who just lied again when he said that Robert Costello never had an attorney-client privilege, and he never signed it over. Robert Costello, on Tucker's show the other night, picks up a paper and said, This is the signature of Michael Cohen releasing me from the attorney client privilege.

So if he's lying as late as last week. When is he not lying? I know sometimes Sammy the Bull's got to turn on John Gotti. There are no winners. But this guy's not even Sammy the Bull.

Listen to Alan Dershwitz, a liberal attorney, cut seven. I have never seen a case in my sixty years of practice. which has so many holes in it. Start with the statute of limitations. It's seven years before he committed the crime.

The New York State statute says the only exception for that is if his whereabouts were unknown. I have to tell you. Even Bragg could have found him. He was in the White House.

Well, there are photographs of him. And his House on the street, he was not continuously out of New York. I don't see how you can twist and turn. To make the statute of limitations disappear. And then you have all the other.

How many holes are there? Shall I count the ways to count the quote the poet? I have never seen a weaker case. We got to get Alan Dershowitz Better Home Studio. Don't you think, guys?

I mean, come on, it sounds terrible. That's for television. But just show you how crazy this is. You know about the Mar-a-Lago and the documents. I don't care where you stand.

Just know that he brought his documents back. He put it in full review. One o'clock in the afternoon, I think. He had a bunch of interns take some boxes, put them on a Marine One to Air Force One, I think for the final time, or Trump Force One, goes down to Mar-a-Lago. Six months later, they say, guys, what did you do with all the documents?

He gives them about 20 boxes back. They go, What about the rest? They're going back and forth.

Next thing you know, there's an FBI raid.

So then they look at The Penn Center. What if it, six months later? Turns out that talk about classified documents. That's what Joe Biden's got. Then they find classified documents in his garage next to his classic Corvette.

Then they find Edward Hoboth. And then they still raid the lawyer's office in Boston.

So they put two special prosecutors on both cases. Mike Pence is being investigated too because he had some too. But guess what? They're going after Trump like he is John Gotti and Al Capone. Turns out he's got an attorney, Evren Corcoran.

Evan Corcoran's representing him in this case. A judge just ruled, an appeals court just ruled, that he has got to come in for testimony in front of a grand jury. Excuse me. He's the president's attorney. Why does he have to go in and give up his client?

Since when is that? Why is Paul Metaford and Salary Jerk Feynman over stuff that he never did? Why are they rating? These every House did something to do with Trump, but when it comes to Biden, we don't even get an investigation or follow through when it comes to Hunter.

So Evan Corcoran has to go in and talk to a grand jury and talk about attorney client privilege? Are you crazy? Why what is why is that okay? This is how many investigations are there and how aggressive they're be they're being. Trump said 54% approval married and wrong Republicans.

He's got a rally in Waco, Texas, that I think every network will carry to a degree, and I think it's only to a degree. I think he's happy about what's going on, but only to a degree. Nobody's happy. He's got a young son, a teenager. No one's happy that their dad's going to be brought in, mug-shotted, and get.

Fingerprinted. You know, no no wife is happy that their husband's doing that. No kids are happy that that's happening. Nobody wants to do deals with the Trump organization, wants to know that the founder and CEO is being indicted or is indicted.

So it's only to a degree. Maybe he helps him to get the nomination. We'll see. The other big story is Sitting down with Pierce Morgan, Governor DeSantis felt it was a good time to go up and just start firing back at the former President. Here is a little of the exchange.

This is on the differences between him and Trump. Cut 12. People have been quite kind of scathing. They've said your house-trained Donald, your diet coke to his full coke, right? You've heard all this stuff.

What are the differences between you?

Well, I know him very well. Having now spent time with you, I could immediately identify a few differences. But what do you think are the differences?

Well, I mean, I think there's a few things. I mean, obviously, the approach to COVID was different. I mean, I would have fired somebody like Fauci. I think that he got way too big for his britches, and I think he did a lot of damage. I also think, just in terms of my approach to leadership, I get personnel in the government.

Who have the agenda of the people and share our agenda? If you bring your own agenda in, you're gone. We're just not going to have that.

So, the way we run the government, I think, is no daily drama. Focus on the big picture and put points on the board. And I think that that's something that's very important. Kind of interesting, correct?

So He judged point at differences in a very calm manner.

So immediately last night, I got a text message from the Trump camp. And I'm not saying it's exclusive, but I'll just share it with you.

So immediately they give um They give the what I think is their best opposition research. And You know, I'll share it for you when we come back because it is detailed. And by the time I get into it, I think I'll end up running in and not being able to take any calls. 1-866-408-7669. Essentially, all the opposition research that I think they have on him, they gave it out last night, and he's not even officially a candidate.

I don't know what kind of tactic that is. Let's wait and see. Brian Kill Meet you. Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say.

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You know, he was laughing and he was good humored about it and said he kind of liked the sanctimonious, though he couldn't spell it.

So far, his response to Trump and his jabs at Trump have been an exercise really in deflection. He just hasn't risen to the bait. And Trump throws out these insults, some of them kind of crude, and so on. And DeSantis says, you know, I got I'm putting points on the board. In other words, he's emphasizing the fact that he has a record in Florida that he's proud of, not to mention the reelection that he just enjoyed by nearly 20 points.

So he seems content for now to deal with Trump in that way. Well, I mean, Trump's got his own tactics. It works in 2016. It didn't work in 2020, but he had just one person to go against, and the guy wouldn't come out of his basement. But he went aggressively at Ron DeSantis after the Pierce Morgan interview.

He said this: Now that Ron DeSanctimoni has finally admitted he's in a race by beginning to fight back, now that the polls have crashed, as he has no other choice, he's about half where the president is. President's at 54. He's roughly 36.

So he says he is an average governor. He gets 1.2 million less votes in Florida than me. He fought for massive cuts in Social Security and Medicare, wanted Social Security minimum age to be raised to 70 or more.

Okay, number one, he did want to look early on at entitlements. I think any responsible person is, but let's see him fight for that. Number two is he does not want to raise. I've never heard anybody say he wants to raise the age to 70, but I am looking out for that. He's a disciple of Paul Ryan.

It did what Ryan told him to do. Florida has been successful for many years, long before I put Ron there. It's amazing what Ocean and Sunshine will do.

Now, A disciple of Paul Ryan. Him and Paul Ryan got along, no doubt about it. Paul Ryan was the most conservative, fiscally conservative guy in Congress, period, to the point where people wouldn't even want to campaign with him because if they had to win in a purple state, he would be looked at as too conservative. He said, it's amazing.

Okay, meanwhile, he said Ron was a big lockdown governor of the Chinavirus. There is no way he was a lockdown governor of the China virus, sealing all beaches and everything else in an extended period of time. That is not. Right. Was the third worst in the nation for COVID-19 deaths, 86,294.

Third worst for the total number of cases, 7 million. Other Republican governors did much better than Ron and Baldo because I allowed them the freedom. Remember, I left that decision up to governors. COVID deaths per state. Ron as governor did worse than New York in the education.

Florida ranks among the worst in the country. Third worst in murder, third worst in rape, third worst in aggravated assault. In 2022, Jacksonville was ranked number one of the top 25 crime cities in the country. With Tampa and Orlando, not much better. In education, Florida ranked number 39 in health and safety in the country.

Affordability is number 50 and number 30 in education and childcare. Hardly greatness.

So, this is his entire opposition research. What is great? This is on substance.

However, what I would do if I was in first and if I was the former president and I felt as though my policies had inflation down to zero, no international conflicts, no invasion of Ukraine, had a trade deal with China on the table. Also, when it came to COVID and opening up, now lack of mandates, that's what the president was about. He never would have mandated the vaccine, never would have mandated lockdowns after the initial 15 days to slow the spread. That's what I'd be running on. I'd be running out my relationship with other nations.

I'd be running out of my relationship with the Abraham Accords, with my relationship with Saudi Arabia, the ability to isolate Iran. That's what I'd be running on. This is all opposition research that could come out through surrogates. But that's Trump. Trump makes up his own rules.

Let's see if it'll be effective. Trump has a lot to discuss. Chris Bedford weighed in on the flourishing friction between the two. Cut eighteen. He's got that great advantage.

If you go to Iowa, where DeSantis and Donald Trump have been in the last two weeks, DeSantis is still only drawing a couple hundred people, which is a lot more than anyone else, except for Donald Trump. Everywhere he goes, thousands and thousands of people still show up. There are still lines out front. Because the GOP is so stupid, generally, the professional class, these are the only two candidates who are running in the populist lane.

So it's going to be up to them to try and figure out who's going to be the nominee. Donald Trump's got the excitement, but DeSantis, I think, does have a better team. A better team, got the new generation of leadership. And the question is: if I'm Trump, this is what I'd be saying. This is what I need to do to get moderates independents and undecided.

This is what's going to be different this time. And as DeSantis creeped up, then I eventually come to Baytime. I would say, okay, I'm going to send out a few of my surrogates out there to go. I'm going to send Lindsey Graham out there to beat up on DeSantis. I'm going to go send Governor McMaster of South Carolina to beat up on DeSantis.

I'm going to go send Devin Nunes out there to beat up on DeSantis. And if I'm DeSantis, I kind of liked what he's doing. He's saying that this is my difference in leadership. I get people around that weren't going to cut me, stab me in the back. I do a better job hiring personnel.

If you're selfish, you're out. You wouldn't be hard to begin with.

So I'm going to try to take the Florida blueprint everywhere, take on woke, take on education. I would do that. And if Trump just gets overwhelming with the labeling and the imprinting, then I'd go back. These are two formidable candidates, two very skilled in their own separate ways. And I think that at one point DeSantis got to come up and said, you know, how many problems this guy has?

You know, Mar-a-Lago. Uh the for the uh what's going on in with Georgia and the votes. You know, what's happening with his business? What's happening with Stormy Daniels. And then I would say, listen, this has got so much baggage going on, it's hard to imagine to be able to get anything done.

But I think there's a way to do it. I'm pretty amazed, number one. I'm pretty amazed that other people haven't gotten out of single digits. I do know that Tim Scott is going to declare, I think, early next week. He's got some major events planned and a visit to New Hampshire in April, but first will be Iowa.

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Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. People from the humblest beginnings can achieve great things no matter your skin color, your creed. I mean, we have ticker-take parades for people who serve this country. That's what the military is all about.

This divisive ideology is hurting recruitment. They're asking for $114 million, Laura, for just programming for DEI, six-figure salaries for DEI, you know, consultants in the military. This stuff has no place. You know, we need a military that stands ready to defeat China. You know, it's, you mentioned it.

They are building islands in the South China Sea. They're fully weaponized. Nobody in communist China is deterred by all this DEI training. We need a lethal fighting force and focused on that as opposed to this sort of woke politics that the Biden administration is hell-bent on. injecting Changing the whole culture of the military at a time in which we're only giving 3% of our budget there, it needs to be 6%, and China's doing 7.

That was Senator Eric Schmidt, just flabbergasted. You'll hear some of his testimony in exchanges with Pentagon officials yesterday. Another person exasperated by the whole thing is the 32nd Undersecretary of the Army, Iraq War vet, former Congressman, Democrat, Patrick Murphy. Patrick, welcome back. Brian, thanks so much for having me back on, Pal.

I appreciate it. Hey, no problem. We're way off. Outside the Marines, I understand. We are way off our recruiting goals.

What's the problem?

Well, the problem is, Brian, from the jump, over 70% of young Americans can't even join the military because of the obesity crisis in America. Drug use in America, mental health issues. I mean, it's a systemic issue in American society. We had to be fit to fight. And I think we need a culture of service in this country that, hey, listen, I served in the military, my brother served, my dad served, my two grandfathers served.

The reality of it is this: that 78% of the folks that serve in the military come from military families. We got to change that dynamic. Everyone should be expected to serve, not a draft, not everyone has to go to military service, but whether it's Teach for America or whatever it is, Doctor, you know, we need folks to at least give a year or two to this nation. that that set the tone that we're we're all together as a country to to solve not just our community and our country's problems, but unfortunately when needed, the world's problems. We can't even get people to get to to delete the TikTok app.

I Grant, this d this drives me crazy. I mean, the fact that like, you know, people, you know, I've been on your show talking to you with Foxa friends talking about, hey, we're worried about these Chinese balloons, which we should worry about it, right? But there's surveillance going on right now on our on our iPhones and our Androids. And our kids. There's over 100 million kids.

And then we have members of Congress that are out. It's no big deal. Who cares?

Well, it's Facebook. Do you understand? Facebook isn't owned by America. We we regulate companies, we're like a referee, but we don't regulate, we don't own their they're private entities, private companies. That's not how the world is over in China.

Kind of owns TikTok, Byte Dance. And so we better wake up. I mean, they have. You know, we talk about a whole government approach in America. We need a whole nation approach when we talk about our adversaries.

We don't even talk about these numbers of Congress, they say, Oh, it's the video about TikTok in China. What do you mean it's a big deal? Do you like the fact that there's 1.5 million Muslims in captivity and concentration camps? Uh, over in China, where they're where they're producing the majority of their cotton to you know that they sell to the rest of the world in manufacturing. I mean, I mean, come on, we gotta wake up with this country.

You know, we have the greatest country in the world. We have the number one military in the world.

Some of our economy world, but that's not our God-given right. We got to earn that every day.

So, Senator Eric Schmidt took on this Pentagon official about DEI and the reason why they are prioritizing it when we need people in there. Can we just focus on war fighting and less about equity and inclusion? Here's a little of that exchange. And here we are in a committee hearing when China is like militarizing. Islands They mean business.

And we're having to spend time to talk about DODs. $114 million budget request for diversity, equity, inclusion, training. This stuff is nuts. It is naive. to believe that this is not divisive among recruits.

or people in the military. What does ensuring equity mean? I mean, and then, you know, we're debating on should we be paying money for transition if people want to transition to another gender while serving? I mean, this is ridiculous. Ryan, this is this is this is my problem.

When the market doesn't even rise, is that our military is more diverse than America. You know, when I served at 19, I remember I was dating a girl from Bucks County and her dad said to me, Patrick, why would you join the Army? You know, why'd you do ROTC? I'm like, he goes, you're in the teens list. You're the captain of hockey teams at sophomore.

Why would you do this? I said, hey, sir, I'm going to be an officer. I'm going to be lieutenant. I'm going to lead 40 men and women. Forty-nine percent.

of my generation of veterans are people of color. We've cracked the code. We are diverse, and we don't need, you know, we don't need extra programs. We are doing what we need to do, and our folks are staying in. What we do need, though, is more Americans to raise their right hand and say, I want to take an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to put on the cloth of our country, to grab a rifle and to learn how to be a warrior.

It would be great. And hopefully we'll start doing that again and start selling it to the people and offer the packages to make it a good alternative. Patrick Murphy is with us now, the 32nd Under Secretary of the Army, Iraq War vet, military officer.

So now I want you to hear about the threat that we just witnessed over the weekend, the reaffirmation of an alliance between Russia and China. And they claim it's going to be a reconfiguring of world leadership for the first time in 100 years. This is how General Jack Keene assessed what we're looking at right now, Cut 40. And for those who are worried about China as being our number one threat, that will force the United States to put more forces and more resources into Europe at the expense of our focus to China. And then we have China, if if Russia wins, China wins.

And that will incentivize them. And certainly, Taiwan is in their near-term objective. And we've already seen what their behavior is and how comprehensive it is. We have never faced a threat like China in our history. It is so comprehensive it touches every aspect.

economic, technological, military, and geopolitical. Patrick, I just think the war in Ukraine for the Ukrainians to be successful means everything. A lot of people say it's a distraction. You heard General Jack Keen. He says absolutely not.

I agree one hundred percent with him. Where do you stand? I stand with General King too. And here we have to wake up as our great country. to realize that we have the largest country in Asia, which is China.

Breathing down our neck, competing with us with hostile intent. We have Russia, the largest country in Europe. They annexed Crimea years ago. We go push the EU to say, hey, guys and gals, you got to step on do 2% of your defense spending has to be tied to your GDP. Come on.

Like that, you got to put in here. And then Russia invades Ukraine. And then this year, a year later, The ma overwhelming majority of the EU countries aren't even spending two percent of their GDP on defense. I mean, Brian, it's crazy. I I get it.

America, you know, the rest of the world says, well, Americans America's the policeman of the world, right? But we shouldn't be the backers neither. I mean, they they gotta put skin in the game as well. Only seven of the thirty EU countries have two percent of their GDP tied to defense spending. That is not fair.

It's not reasonable. They got to do more. It can't always be America leading the way and funding this. Um I hear you, and the only thing that's going to do that is to go public with it. Instead, we get a different message from the White House saluting Germany for what they're doing.

And what I see in the Washington Post and New York Times today, and I point out those two publications aren't exactly hard on this administration, but the one consistency that both have today, they both say the weapons are not getting to the Ukrainians fast enough, swift enough. The promises are not being fulfilled. The tanks are not getting there. The Abrams A1 tanks are not getting there until the fall, and that's six months earlier than we thought. Since when?

The Marines gave up all their tanks. Why can't we use some of them? Why can't we send them over quickly? Listen, I Brian, I used to be stationed in Baumwater, Germany, and Kaiser Staunton and elsewhere. And I served in Europe when we stopped the worst ethnic cleansing in Europe since World War II, when they were killing Muslims in towns like Severnicia and Bosnia.

And we didn't lose one troop to combat troops. Europe then said, hey, part of it is it's logistics. I mean, amateurs want to talk strategy. Experts talk logistics, Brian. And logistics are getting the tanks there.

It is hard. And that's why we had to put pressure on Germany to give their tanks as we're doing the Abrams tanks. We're doing our fair share. We've put over 30, 30. Billion already, at least into the Ukraine fight.

We've trained troops in Poland. We were doing all we can. We need these other countries, though, to stand up and do their fair share. And I think that's what most Americans in Bucks County and across this country are ticked off because they see it. They're like, why is our sons and daughters fighting extreme terrorists?

Why is it our taxpayers funding these things? And when we have, you know, Brian, what I call the cringe, you know what the cringe is? The cringe is China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and global extremists. And I think the rest of the world looks at the market.

Well, hey, y'all just take care of it. You're a great country. Yeah, we're a great country. 'Cause we're a good country. I don't we don't want to see bad things happen to innocent people.

But there's bad things happening when there's one point five Muslims being in concentration camps, being raped, being tortured, being sterilized. By their economy, by them with the international property theft, cybersecurity threats, cybersecurity actions, direct actions against our country. And the same with North Korea, the same with Russia. And we better wake up. You know, we are the reluctant warrior, but we got to do better.

We got to do better. Absolutely. But you got to, it comes from the top. It's got to come from leadership. And there's so much bipartisan agreement when it comes to TikTok, when it comes to China.

Yeah, I think there's a little bit of disparity, but for the most part, we get it. How to do it is the big question. It almost reminds me of the Cold War, where everyone knew the Soviets were the threat. They just different ways to engage that threat. This could be a unifying moment, Patrick, for the right leader.

And I hope people realize we don't have to be divided on everything. And lastly, 20 years since the Iraq War, what are your reflections? Yeah, first of all, Brian, can I have to say that's why I appreciate you having me on? You know, you know, I'm a proud Democrat. I'm what's called a Kennedy Democrat.

I appreciate you having me on. We don't agree with everything, but we agree on America. My reflections are this. I lost 19 of my brothers. I was Paul Paratroopers of the eighty Second Admiral Division.

We were part of the Evasion Force. And we all the ones that came home We all have survivors because I try to make every single day count. for my brothers and sisters and the ones that were lucky enough to come home. The fact that we got to make it better for them and remember their memory and the folks that made it home, um, you know. I don't want to ever victimize my brothers and sister veterans.

Veterans are civic assets in this nation. Our veterans, Brian, are more likely to be employed. They're more likely to start a small business for that small business to be successful. They're more likely to vote in elections no matter what their persuasion. They're more likely to be pastors in their churches and little league volunteers, coaches.

And I'll tell you, all you see on TV is: well, for $20 a month, you can help these poor veterans. Listen, we have an ethic. We leave the world behind. And there's too many that take their own life by suicide that are homeless. And we got to address that.

But we also got to talk about, Brian, what about the great veterans from years past? We're about veterans that are starting their own small business.

Some of the most iconic global brands were started by veterans. Look at Comcast, Walmart, Nike. All those companies were started by veterans. My generation of Iraq, Afghanistan veterans, companies like IDMe, started by a West Blake guy, named Blake Hall. That's what we got to tell you.

And Patrick, you brought up a great point. Tunda Tower is an awesome Wounded Warrior project, fantastic. Folds of Honor, awesome. But the perception is, the number one, I was talking to Dan Rooney about this. He's a founder of Folds of Honor, a fighter pilot.

And he said, the perception is the only reason people don't want to go, the number one objection, they don't want to die. And they said the chances are you dying is there's more of a chance staying home and living a civilian life than you are dying in the military. And he tried to explain that to people, but at the same time, you want to help the wounded. And the survivors, but sometimes you sell so much, you think everyone dies and everyone's wounded. And it's not the case.

So I get it. If people care so much, maybe they're and they try so hard, maybe they're giving the hurting the recruiting message. But I'll figure it out. You know, there's ways to figure around that.

Well, let's work together now. I mean, there's a lot. We need more young Americans. I mean, you know, when I ran the Army in 2017, I helped run the Army, we had 120,000 new recruits come in. We hit our recruitment goals.

We got to go back, you know, be all we can be. You know, the Army will change you for the better. The military, I mean, I always joke, Brian, as you know, I say the Army is America's varsity team. My Marine and Navy buddies, they give me a hard time about badges. I say, hey, you guys are the JV team.

You couldn't make it in the Army. But that's brothers and sisters joking. The reality of it is, though, we do need young men and women, leaders of character, to join our force, to serve our country and take that oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. All right, go get them. Patrick Murphy, always great and insightful.

Phone inspirational talk to you. Thank you. Thanks, Brian. You got it. When we come back, your call is 1-866-408-7669.

Brian Kilmeat Show. It's Brian Kilmeid. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Killmead. TikTok is almost like the new telecommunications infrastructure of the world, if you allow it to be. Would you allow a Chinese company to become or own ATT and Verizon?

No, we have laws against that. But if you suddenly say, This is a Chinese Communist Party-influenced company that is running the communications of the entire Western world. It doesn't matter where the data is stored. It doesn't matter whether there's this whole thing called Project Texas, where the CEO of TikTok is saying, Don't worry, Americans, because we're going to store the data in Texas. That doesn't change the fact that they can control the entire moral consensus of the world.

They can change who peop if if a war starts in Taiwan, what people would believe about it.

So that was Tristan That was Tristan Harris yesterday, and I just spoke to him on Fox and Friends too. He's one of these social media experts, like nobody else. You've seen him on 60 Minutes, you've seen him on Social Dilemma, and he says, Of course, you've got to ban TikTok during the Soviet Union. The U.S.-Soviet Union clashed during the Cold War. Would we have allowed the Soviet Union to buy Verizon?

Of course not.

So why would we even allow this today? Plus, we already caught TikTok was spying on our reporters. They were trying to figure out who was leaking facts about TikTok.

So they were looking at the IP address of reporters to find out when they got close to anybody in TikTok. And they apologize later. That's not going to work. Steve, listening over in Florida. Steve, you were focusing on what we were talking about recruiting.

And by the way, just let me say this: I got this podcast. I talked to Tristan Harris for an hour with Martha McCallum, and it's on a podcast. Just this interview. For every parent, for every user, wondering about TikTok, Instagram, how social media is affecting your lives, you have to listen to this. Also, chatbots, chatbot, GBT, that is now out.

This vert, this AI artificial intelligence is so. Dangerous. It's so unregulated. You need people right now, before it gets totally out of control, involved. He explains what it is and what it's capable of.

It is wild. Uh Steve Listing in Florida. Hey, Steve. Hey, how are you today, Brian? I was listening to the conversation you were having with uh the congressman, and uh it's amazing they always uh Bring in the top recruiting commands to see what the issue is.

Uh The system changed about two and a half, three years ago to where now, uh, The military and medical have access to every recruit uh personal record that they have uh in medical.

So, if you were a five-year-old and you had bronchitis or pneumonia and your doctor gave you an inhaler, or God forbid you touch ADT medications or anything, it requires a waiver. And in the Air Force, It takes Over six. to 12 months to get that any waiver through. and the Navy and Marines are about the same. Uh that and I My daughter-in-law, I'm retired Navy 30 years, and my daughter-in-law is a recruiter for the Air Force.

And she says, point blank: this medical thing is going to destroy. How we get people in and who is qualified and not qualified.

Well, see, that's great. I love learning stuff from you guys. I would never know that unless somebody who knew the business like you called in.

So I'll look into that. I also talked to people up in Saratoga and upstate New York, and they couldn't believe how bad the quality was from people coming forward. I mean, not saying that you don't deserve a second chance in life, but if you're a An alcoholic drug addict, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be in the Marines. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead.

Hi everyone, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show.

So glad you're here. Coming to you from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world. Just getting out of the shower. He wants me to buy him a little time, Mark Thiessen.

So I'll do that, Mark. And Bill Browder at the bottom of the hour, the Hermitage Capital CEO, head of the Global Magninsky Justice Campaign. Remember, he was in. Russia, when they were pretending to be somewhat capitalistic, and he had a business over there, and they decided he was getting too big.

So they tried to threaten him and just basically arrested his lawyer when they couldn't get him. And he got tortured and died in prison. And Bill Browder has made it his mission to get revenge, and we love it, and bring justice to Vladimir Putin. Bill Browder on the situation now with Russia and that alliance. We'll discuss that.

Well, following the beginning of TikTok hearings, the CEO has just spoken before going into the hearing room is supposed to last about five hours today in front of the Energy and Commerce Committee. And he's going to get some tough questions, and there's going to be no breather, I don't think, from Democrats and Republicans are equally incensed about their potential, but respectful of their popularity.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. TikTok is almost like the new telecommunications infrastructure of the world. If you allow it to be, would you allow a Chinese company to become or own ATT and Verizon? No, we have laws against that.

Yeah, TikTok CEO on Capitol Hill right now, as I mentioned. If we are serious about competing with the Chinese and our national security matters, we'll do what Norway, India, Netherlands, and Italy is about to do, and that is ban it. Number two. You know, he was laughing and he was good-humored about it and said he kind of liked DeSanctimonius, though he couldn't spell it. DeSantis says, you know, I got, I'm putting points on the board.

In other words, he's emphasizing the fact that he has a record in Florida that he's proud of.

So he seems content for now to deal with Trump in that way. Yup, Trump team comes out guns ablazing after DeSantis leveled some subtle shots at the former president. Most of the attacks will not stick on DeSantis because they don't seem true, unless you think DeSantis is pro-lockdown and a Mitt Romney clone. Number I think Alvin Bragg may be going back to what he initially thought when he first won the job, which was he shouldn't bring this case.

So the fundamental question is: what changed? President Trump announces he's running for president. Yeah, that is Jim Jordan. Delay, a mystery why grand jury did not meet in New York City yesterday. Word is, the grand jury is not on the same page about offering indictment of the former President of the United States.

They're meeting at 12 o'clock today. We'll bring you the latest. Mark Thiessen joins us now. Mark, we've got to go by unnamed sources and And different reports to find out what went wrong yesterday for that grand jury that thought it was supposed to be rubber stamping what Alvin Bragg wanted. And that was an indictment of the president.

What do you think happened? I have no idea what happened in the grand jury room. I can tell you that the famous phrase that you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, if you can't get an indictment, then that means the case is pretty weak. And it is weak. It's a ridiculous case.

But it could be the best thing that ever happened to Donald Trump. Because the reality is, this is gonna cause him to, a lot of people, a lot of Republicans to rally around him. Uh because uh the real uh the reality is that a lot of uh look the polls show that That majority of Republicans don't want him to be the nominee, but he still remains popular with Republicans. The polls show that he has an approval rating of like 75, 77 percent among Republicans.

So that means there's a significant number of Republicans who like Donald Trump, who approve of his presidency, but think it's time to move on. And so they they don't hate they don't share the hatred of Trump that the left has. And so when you have another like the politicization of the justice system in this way, it causes some of those people to rally around the president, makes it more likely that he's going to win the GOP nomination because there are people who may not love the idea of Donald Trump being the nominee, but they also don't love the idea of our country turning into a banana republic where we weaponize the justice system to go after people's political opponents. It has that rallying effect. Fox News Jose says two sources familiar with the situation inside the grand jury said it was canceled amid major discussion, dissension within the district attorney's office.

One source claims the DA is having trouble convincing the grand jury on potential charges due to the weakness of the case. Part of it is a letter that now appeared from 2018 where Michael Cohen said he was never reimbursed by the president. Number two is Robert Costello, who came out and said Michael Cohen signed a paper saying that I'm no longer representing him, so he passed on his attorney client privilege. The day before he denied ever signing it, this guy, Robert Costello, held it up, said the guy's an inveterate liar.

So he was supposed to counter Robert Costello. But as you know, this is supposed to be the Harlem Globetrotters playing against the Washington Generals. You're not supposed to have an opponent. You're supposed to just say, hey, guys, look at how bad this case is. Give me the opportunity to try this person.

And instead, this is saying, we're stuck in the sand in the gears. What I also thought is significant is the number of Democrats who didn't think it was worth it.

Now, they're going to reconvene today, and there might be an indictment in a few hours, where Trump evidently said, I want to be handcuffed. Who wants to be handcuffed? The guy's got kids. The guy's got a family. Nobody wants to see their dad, their grandfather, the candidate they like, the people they look up to handcuffed.

Maybe Al Franken would like that. Maybe Democrats would like that. But I was shocked to see how many Democrats don't seem to think this is a good idea and see what you're seeing. One is Van Jones coming. Yeah.

Anybody is a Republican and they have been afraid that there's some conspiracy, some well-organized conspiracy among progressives, they can relax now because you would not start with this charge. You would start with the charge in Georgia where he was interfering with elections. You would start with the charge that he was helping the insurrectionists in a coup. You wouldn't start with an eight-year-old porn star payoff.

So, just again, this is proof, if nothing else, that the progressives are not very well organized. This is not the one you would start with. Yeah, and it's just not a case. You know, so we'll talk about that. You're not a lawyer, but I will say this: this report this morning that this guy, Evan Corcoran, who's the president's attorney in Mar-a-Lago, he's now forced to testify in front of a D.C.

grand jury about what the president was doing. Excuse me. The president's got a lawyer. All of a sudden you can haul in the President's lawyer. I mean, did they do it at Al Capone with John Gotti?

They or try his lawyer? There's an ethnic violation. They kick you off. But since when are you allowed to do that? Yeah, I mean, it's just all the rules go out the window when it comes to Donald Trump.

I mean, the left sees that Donald sees Donald Trump as such a threat that any that they become what they criticize, right? They're destroying, you know, they say, what was the charge against Donald Trump? He's destroying our institutions, right? He's a threat to the institutions of our democracy. But then they're destroying the institutions of our democracy, going after him, destroying the justice system, weaponizing the justice system to go after their political opponents, breaking all the rules when it comes to, you know, and precedents, when it comes to, you know, indicting a former president and raiding his home when it turns out that Joe Biden had violated, you know, may have violated the same laws that they accused Trump of violating.

It's like none of the rules apply.

So all these people who criticize Trump, they're worse than Trump. They're doing the exact same thing. I mean, even if you look at the media, right?

So, you know, all objectivity went out the window when Donald Trump was president. And so, what's happened is that the trust in the media has absolutely plummeted. And where's the consequence of that? Because then, when Donald Trump, you know, they pushed the steel gossip and they pushed the Mueller probe charges, the conspiracy theory that he had colluded with Russia and all the rest of it, completely destroyed their credibility. And then, when Trump falsely claimed that the election was stolen and they said no, it wasn't, no one believed them because they're like the boy who cried wool.

You know, so it's the destruction to our system has largely come from the people who are trying to stop Trump, not necessarily from Trump themselves. Governor Ron DeSantis sat down with Pierce Morgan when he realized, I think, what he wasn't willing to do last week, and that is take on the Trump situation. Here's a little of their give and take Cut 12. People have been quite kind of scathing. They've said your house-trained Donald, your diet coke to his full coke, right?

You've heard all this stuff. What are the differences between you?

Well, I know him very well. Having now spent time with you, I could immediately identify a few differences. But what do you think are the differences?

Well, I mean, I think there's a few things. I mean, obviously, the approach to COVID was different. I mean, I would have fired somebody like Fauci. I think that he got way too big for his britches, and I think he did a lot of damage. I also think, just in terms of my approach to leadership, I get personnel in the government who have the agenda of the people and share our agenda.

If you bring your own agenda in, you're gone. We're just not going to have that.

So the way we run the government, I think, is no daily drama. Focus on the big picture and put points on the board. And I think that's a good question. First off, what do you think of his answer? Uh Think very good.

I think that he is, when it gets into it, I think that's going to be a major point of attack for DeSantis. He's going to say, look, Donald Trump empowered the biomedical police state. He put Fauci in charge of our economy. I opened up Florida. He's going to take that attack on him.

But also, when Pierce says, house train Donald, I mean, that's kind of a crude way of putting it, but I don't think that's unappealing to Republicans. I think a lot of people would love to have Donald Trump, you know, a lot of Donald Trump's policies without all the chaos and self-inflicted wounds. An effective Trump who doesn't step in it every day and alienate swing voters all the time, but does all the great things that Trump did, I think that's a great selling point for Republicans. But then yesterday, it looks like Donald Trump's team emptied their arsenal. It says, you know, basically, I could get you the preamble, but in a letter that you may have received, it says.

Mm-hmm. He is disciplined. He's a disciple of okay, here he goes. Governor got 1.2 million less votes in Florida than me. He fought for massive cuts in Social Security and Medicare, wanted Social Security minimum age to 70 or more.

A disciple of Paul Ryan, did whatever Ryan told him. Florida has been successful before him. Ron's been a lockdown governor. China fought the gym of sealing all beaches. Third worst in terms of Deaths, COVID deaths, third worst for a total number of cases.

Then he put him down as an education. Florida ranks highest in crime, third worst in murder, third worst in rape, third worst in aggravated assault.

So I asked the brain room to get confirmation. But still he goes on and on. Every single thing they have on It's seemingly on him, they have out there right now.

So he's going to tear apart. Florida, his record in Florida, that's a quote-air quote interesting approach. Yeah. It was just like a word bobbin. I mean, it literally is not even a world net word salad.

It's like the idea that you're going to knock DeSantis for being a mediocre governor of Florida. I mean, you know, the guy who just won the state by 20 points, who won independence, won women, who won Hispanics. I mean, the people of Florida obviously disagree because it's the largest landslide in Florida gubernatorial history. The guy who made, I mean, just compare. You know, Ron DeSantis's handling of Hurricane Ian to Donald Trump's COVID briefings.

Uh I mean, there's you know, it's it's just ridiculous. Donald Trump with fifteen days days to stop the spread became like a national lockdown for months with Fair Fauci imposed lockdown. Florida v he f he opened up Florida. He put kids back in school. It has the best best, you know, th they're it's the one state that hasn't had the destruction of uh of uh Of learning losses that that so many kids have suffered.

So, I mean, I it's a it's a weak way a weak way to go after Ron DeSantis. Mark, you watched McCain and Bush take each other apart. You watch Obama and Hillary Clinton take each other apart.

So, you watch Bush 41 and Reagan. You're a little young, but Reagan and Bush took each other apart for a brief time before they combined.

So, Bob Dole and Bush 41, they went at it hard.

So, is this typical? Or do you think that you thought Joe Biden would bring this up to Governor DeSantis. It's not necessarily Donald Trump. And to me, if I'm Trump, all I talk about is my strategy to win over moderates, independents and undecided. And I don't punch down.

What are your thoughts? This is the flaw in Donald Trump's approach to politics, which is that, I mean, you know, and the reason why he lost 2020, why he led us to defeat in 2022. Imagine if Donald Trump, at the end of the election, even if he didn't acknowledge that Biden had won, had presided over a good, peaceful transfer of power, and had spent the last two years reminding people how great things were when he was president and pointing to all of Biden's disasters, and had done that instead of constantly harping on a stolen election. He'd be crazy. Cruising to re-election right now.

He would have no opportunity. He had no opponents in the Republican Party, and he would be cruising to defeat Joe Biden. But he's incapable of doing that. He spent all of his time talking about this lie that the 2020 election was stolen instead of talking about the truth, which is that he was an incredibly effective president with the mute button on. When you just look at his policy from Operation Warp Speed to the Abraham Accords to taking out Soleimani, I think something like 57% of Americans said they were better off now than they were four years ago on the eve of the election.

You know, such a great record that he can't even bother to talk about it. And compare it to the serial disasters that Joe Biden has unleashed. That's what he should be doing every single day, and he can't seem to bring himself to do it.

Well, it looks like he's got 38%, Joe Biden has 38% approval rating, so he's definitely vulnerable. If this is what it's like before DeSantis gets in, can you imagine what it's like after? It's crazy, but it's going to be fun. Mark Thiessen, thanks so much. Always great.

All right, thank you. Take care, Brian. All right, listen, we're monitoring what's going on with the TikTok hearings. We had the opening statement from the CEO. He was very emphatic, very emotional.

He's ready to go.

So I cannot wait for some of these exchanges. Brian Kill Meat Show. Expanding your knowledge base. It's the Brian Kill Meat Show. A talk show that's real.

This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Now as TikTok has grown, we've tried to learn the lessons of companies that have come before us, especially when it comes to the safety of teenagers. While the vast majority of people on TikTok are over 18, and one of our fastest growing demographics are people over thirty-five. We spend a lot of time adopting measures to protect teenagers. Many of those measures are firsts for the social media industry.

We forbid direct messaging for people under 16, and we have a sixteen minute watch time by default. For those under 18, we have a suite of family pairing tools so that parents can participate in their teens' experience and make the choices that are right. for their family. We want TikTok to be a place where teenagers can come to learn.

So that's the CEO trying to plead their case to try to keep TikTok in the U.S. And evidently, he's not going to answer any questions because they're a private company on how much they're making. But it was just told between $15 and $18 billion.

So can you imagine that? 150 million users, 1 billion worldwide. And we're trying to ban it from here like they did in India, like they did in the Netherlands, like they're about to do in Italy and Sweden, excuse me, Norway.

So now there is a back and forth. The CEO cannot answer definitively and say for sure that they cannot use this device to spy on everyone. They cannot use the device to collect. They have a pledge not to, but that's not enough. They have the capability to do it.

Nobody trusts them. And by the way, it doesn't help their case that the Chinese government said it would not be acceptable for baitans to be sold in order to stay here. If you are not. A Chinese entity, government entity, why are they weighing in? If you are truly a private company, can you imagine Joe Biden saying, yes, I'm not okay with the Verizon selling its local subsidiary to the country that they're in, whether it's New Zealand or Sweden?

No. It's got nothing to do with them. But it just shows you it's a nationalized company.

So Uh I it's just heartening to see Democrats and Republicans So, I don't see any personal vendetta. No one's blowing off steam so far. It just started, but they're pretty much on the same page.

So they also are spending about $8 million on lobbying. I guess the third biggest lobby in Washington.

So you know that some of these people have been bought and sold. Trent Lott is an example. He's going to bat as a lobbyist for TikTok and others.

So you'll see some familiar faces on the team, and you wonder what the real deal is.

Well, some are being paid. Congressman Bowman just everything's racist. We're racist because we want to ban TikTok. Crazy. We're going to talk about another real threat, Russia, and how it relates to China with Bill Browder, Vladimir Putin.

Why is he okay with being a junior partner? A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead.

What's your view of Putin? Look, I think he's got grand ambitions. I think he's hostile to the United States, but I think the thing that we've seen is he doesn't have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions. And so he's basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons. And so for us, one of the things we could be doing better is utilizing our own energy resources in the United States.

We could be permitting natural gas pipelines from Marcellus, doing a lot in Alaska. That's where he gets all his power. And obviously, he's influenced Europe by having so much energy.

So the way to hit Putin is to hit him with energy. Right. And there is no doubt about it. That would certainly help. But I would say there is something else to that, and that is besides energy.

Because we have basically cut him off. I also think we have to confront his military. And I just can't I'm a little disappointed. That Ron DeSantis doesn't have a more aggressive tone when it comes to Russia, especially they made it easy because you see their alliance right now with China. Bill Brad joins us now, a long-term rival of Vladimir Putin, Hermage Capital CEO, head of the Global McGinsky Justice Campaign, author of Red Notice.

Bill, are you satisfied with that answer or a lot of answer a lot of Republicans now when it comes to Ukraine and the danger of Russia?

Well, so yes, I'm not satisfied with that answer. It's it surprises me. What you didn't play was the written answers that he gave to Tucker Carlson, where he said that this is a regional territorial dispute That's not in it's not in the U. S.'s national security interest. That's just plain wrong.

If he were President and he acted on that and he basically cut off funding to Ukraine because it wasn't in our national security interests, he would be spending ten, fifteen, one hundred times as much when Russia then moves on to Estonia. or Poland, where we are NATO allies. And Putin is not going to stop in Ukraine And having having people say we should not uh support Ukraine is just suicidal in my opinion. And they made it easy. Russia did by bringing China in and talking about their relationship, and for critics to say, well, we got to focus on China, not Russia.

Really, it's the same thing. Don't you think it's an easier for people to understand now?

Well, I mean, it's not just the same thing, but let's just take their logic to the extreme.

So you want to focus on China.

Well, Xi Jinping was was in Russia for three days saying that they have a partnership like no other partnership.

So You want to just ignore the junior partner if that's your logic, which I agree, they are the same thing. And it's what you can't walk and chew gum. You can't have two enemies. We've got two enemies. And that's just the way it is, whether you want to admit it or not.

And so I was. I I I I just hope that um Ron DeSantis um figures this out because if he doesn't, it's almost in my mind disqualifying to take that position on Ukraine.

So the big th story today is the weapons are just painfully slow into Ukraine. They are ready for an offensive. The Russians fell on their face in the winter. They didn't even grab a single town. It's now on the front foot goes Ukraine, but the tanks are arriving too slow.

Bill, how vital is it just to arm the people that know how to fight?

Well, so here we have the situation where the Ukrainians were totally underestimated from the very beginning. I mean, they were fighting with duct tape and bayonets when the whole first thing started. and they beg for weapons. And we started giving them weapons, but we started giving them weapons little by little, little late, little late, not saying, well, we don't want to uh exacerbate things, we don't want to provoke Putin. Yes, so now we've decided to give them weapons, and the weapons are taking time.

And it's very, very frustrating. It's frustrating for the Ukrainians, and it's frustrating for anybody who. Is looking to defeat Vladimir Putin because the Ukrainians, if they were given the weapons that they've been asking for, if they had them in their hands right now. They could really cobber the Russians. The Russians are bad.

They're not good at this stuff. They're failing. They're running out of weapons. But the Ukrainians need these weapons. They need them fast and they need them in large quantities.

Bill, have you ever seen Russia in your lifetime so humiliated outside the fall of the wall? And Gorbachev never really felt that way. I mean, they are, they should, if they have any s legitimate understanding of the battlefield. They have to feel absolutely humiliated. There's no question.

They've lost one hundred sixty five thousand soldiers. dead, probably equal or greater number injured and out of capacity. They've lost about three thousand five hundred tanks. I mean, it's just an enormous number of tanks, airplanes, et cetera. They've been cut off from the rest of the world.

Vladimir Putin has now been labeled a war criminal by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Um it's it's the oligarchs are all sanctioned. This is just a total, absolute, crazy story. Stupid move that Putin made. He's definitely humiliated.

But the problem with this guy, and I've known how he operates. for a long time. I've had my own conflict with him for more than ten years. is that he gets humiliated He waits a little while. And then he comes back doubling down with whatever he's got.

Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes it does, sometimes it causes damage to his enemies. But don't expect that Putin, because he's humiliated, to say, okay, let's negotiate, let's compromise. He doesn't compromise. He never will compromise. And so the only choice we have as the West in supporting Ukraine.

is to give them what they need. To kick his ass so he loses. I mean, he just loses outright. That's what we need to do. And just let the people do it because the Ukrainians had a fight, and guess what?

We trained them. And they were getting MREs and blankets, and the Trump people gave them some weapons.

Now they got high Mars, and they've been using it effectively. They've been able to adjust in the battlefield. A lot of the weapons we give them, Patriot batteries, are going to be arriving soon. And they keep fighting. And it turns out that most of the Ukrainians, when polled, over 90% of them want to get, not only do they want the Russians out, they want Crimea back.

Well, Crimea is part of Ukraine. They should get it back. Russia has no legitimate claim over Crimea. And they will get it back as long as we continue to support them militarily. Bill, does Vladimir Putin legitimately think NATO's a threat to them?

Yeah. Well, NATO is a threat to him now because we're supplying the weapons to Ukraine. NATO was never a threat to him before. I mean, i it's the the the whole the whole idea that that he started this war because NATO is a threat. is an absurdity.

It has nothing to do with NATO. In fact, if he really believes that, then why isn't he not? You know, we have Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Is he invading Finland and Sweden? No, of course not.

It has only to do with NATO. This this war has to do with a dictator who's been around for 22 years. He's worried about his own people getting mad at him and kicking him out. and he wants to create a foreign enemy. He started a war with Ukraine, who has really no beef with Russia whatsoever.

He started this war so that he could then have a foreign enemy so people could be mad at the foreign enemy and not mad at him. That's what this is all about. Bill Bradder, our guest. And Bill, we had you on a lot in the beginning of the war, especially. And we just wanted to find out.

We heard the old guards were being sanctioned. We heard they're being kicked out of their penthouses, having their yachts taken away. But we haven't heard much about it since. We haven't heard anything about penetrating Vladimir Putin's wealth. What could you tell us?

Well, the oligarchs are the ones who hold Vladimir Putin's wealth. And so when we sanction them, we're sanctioning Vladimir Putin. When we freeze their money, we're freezing Putin's money. The problem is that these oligarchs They all they all got the money in the first place from stealing it. And when someone steals money, they know that someone eventually is going to come to take it from them.

And so the first thing they do when they steal the money is they put it in other people's names, they put it in In Swiss bank accounts, secret accounts. They put it in companies owned by trusts, offshore, owned by other companies, et cetera. And so there's a lot of unwinding that needs to be done. And we're just scratching the surface. There's an absolute iceberg underneath of money that belongs to Putin, that belongs to the oligarchs that needs to be taken.

And we need to go after all the people who are surrounding the oligarchs, all of their Family members, their trustees, nominees, proxies, et cetera. It's a big job. It's a job that the West, that the United States and Europe is not used to doing, and so it's going to require a lot of expertise for everybody to. Figure out how this money is hidden away, and it's just starting right now. But in a way, they got real good at it in stopping these terror groups and trying to find a way to find their money and their financing.

So I wonder if they could use the same thing to figure out in a settled country like this. Vladimir Putin, looking at him, he doesn't look like the same guy. I know he gets a lot of facial work done. What do people tell you about his health? You know, everybody who said that he's sick, he's dying, I think that's just fantasy, wishful thinking, an easy answer to a really tough question.

If you were to Google Vladimir Putin and Cancer, the first articles will show up back in 2013. I've heard rumors for ten years about that. Maybe he's sick, maybe he's not. I don't know. He looks pretty healthy to me.

He was strutting around with GG ping last couple of days. I think that we should just assume he's going to be around for a long time. And the best way to get rid of Vladimir Putin is to have the Ukrainians kick the Russians out of their territory. If that were to happen, the Russian people are going to say, we don't like a loser. You know, the Russian people can tolerate all sorts of terrible stuff, but they can't tolerate their strongman being a loser.

And if Putin if his war in Ukraine fails, so he gets kicked out, the Russians get kicked out of Ukraine, the Russian people will say we've had enough of you, Vladimir Putin. I hope so. I mean, so far they see 165,000 dead, 200,000 casualties. When they leave the bodies on the street, they don't even bury them. The Ukrainians do most of that.

So they don't even care about their people.

So they're so unarmed.

Sometimes they attack with shovels. They're emptying their prisons.

So as you forecast the next few months, how do you expect this playing out?

Well, I I expect that when the spring offensive starts with the Ukrainian spring counteroffensive, I should say, they're going to get more territory back. I think the Russians won't be able to hold them back. But at the same time, the Russians have really an unlimited number of soldiers, cannon fodder, they can throw into the battle. And so whatever gains the Ukrainians make are going to be held back by just absolute Sheer numbers of people, sheer force, sheer waste of human life. And so it's not going to be over anytime soon because whatever gains the Ukrainians make, the Russians will just.

Keep on throwing stuff at it. And as long as they have people, as long as they have money, which they continue to have. They're not going to be able to, this is not going to be an easy, clean for the Ukrainians. Uh and Bill They talked about changing the world order. For the first time in 100 years.

That was picked up on a mic by Vladimir Putin and the President Xi. Are they cap what are they capable of together?

Well, the really scary thing and what worries me more than anything is if The Chinese decide that that Russia needs more weapons. And Russia definitely is running out of weapons, and the Chinese could supply Offensive lethal weapons to the Russians. And if that were to happen, that would change the balance of power. and put Russia back in the driver's seat. And if that were to happen, then there'd be a lot more deaths of Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian civilians.

and the war may last a lot longer. And I'm hoping that the the Chinese don't do that. And I think there we have some leverage to s prevent it from happening. If the Chinese believe that that we will will Cut them off economically in different areas for supplying offensive weapons to the Russians. The Chinese may choose not to do it.

China is a business country. They don't want their business cut off. They don't want their company sanctioned. And so we have to make them believe, and we have to believe it ourselves, that we're ready to um to to take a hit and and not buy Chinese stuff. Um if they enter this war with with weapons.

Bill Browder, thanks so much. Hopefully, one day talk about the ousting and the overthrow of Vladimir Putin and get your perspective because we know what he did to your lawyer. He tortured and killed Magninsky, and you've taken action since, and you've been all over him, and hopefully, you'll get your revenge. Bill Browder, thanks so much. Thank you.

All right. When we come back, I'll take your calls. 1-866-408-7669 and bring back some of the highlights as the CEO of Byte, CEO of. TikTok, owned by ByteDance, tries to tell everybody you have nothing to fear. Nobody's buying it.

Learning something new every day on The Brian Kilmead Show. The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Kilmead. We will also provide unprecedented transparency and security for the source code for the TikTok app and recommendation engine. Third party validators like Oracle and others will review and validate.

our source code and algorithms. This will help ensure the integrity of the code that powers what Americans see on our app. We will further provide access to researchers. which helps them study and monitor our content ecosystem.

So that is Shu Choi. I think I said that right. The TikTok CEO, he's got a very impressive background, by the way. He's probably brilliant, served in the military in Singapore, of course. He ended up working for Goldman Sachs and he's trying to work for Meta for a while, and now he's trying to sell everybody that you can trust TikTok.

Believe me, everybody now, 12 years old and up, is hoping that he convinces these lawmakers to leave it alone. The one thing that President Biden obviously doesn't take it serious on St. Patrick's Day, he sat down with a TikTok influencer. President Obama doesn't take it seriously, sitting on the floor with a TikTok influencer right before the midterm election. Steve Listen, WABC in New York.

Hey, Steve. Hey. Brian, how are you doing? Good show as usual. Thank you.

I wanted to comment on the whole Russia, China, Ukraine, US situation. The thing is, China's laughing all the way to the bank because we're borrowing money to pay for the arms that we're shipping to Ukraine. from China. And in turn, people are everybody's getting rich. We don't know where the money's going once it lands in Ukraine.

I'm sure it's going into generals' pockets, intelligence people's pockets. I think we have to do a better job tracking it, but don't assume that it's going to waste. I mean, there's a reason why Ukraine's w uh doing as well as they're doing. I mean, and not only that, they're adapting in the field a lot of our weapons to to continue to reuse things. For example, even the drones, blocking the drones and things that they're doing.

So they're showing great innovation, and they're looking to survive.

So to think that it's going to all these guys' pockets is I think the majority, I think that you would have to really Really think negatively of Ukraine in a way that I don't think is the possible judging by the results. With things, when you look at the people that are in Ukraine and the things that they've tolerated, I'm talking about the governments there over the years with the different labs that are going on and the fact that Wanted to, you know, wipe them out. I'm sure they could have done it by now. The reason that they didn't, I'm sure they're getting paid off not to do it anymore. Who's getting paid?

The Russians are getting paid off not to wipe them out? Yeah. Oh, come on. Steve, thanks for the call. Jerry, WSKY in Gainesville.

Hey, Jerry. Hey, good morning, Brian. While I disagree, Governor DeSantis is sort of my preference for candidate, but I do disagree with him and agree with you on the need to support Ukraine. It needs to be a very robust support, as you suggest. We need to give them what they need to fight the war.

They're telling us we should give it, and I think it'll end the war much quicker and be a much less dangerous situation than this kind of trolling along for months. I think they could have already won this war by now if we gave them all the materials that they needed at the outset, as your prior guest had suggested. We need to get this done, give them what they need, no half measures, and then move on to the next thing, which is China, which is the actual bigger threat. But right now, this is an immediate threat. This is a hot war.

We need to get it done and get it finished immediately.

So, Jerry, for the longest time, people say get out of the Middle East and focus on China. And that was it. I understand the argument, but you couldn't just ignore what was going on there. Having said that, The Chinese made it easy for people who believe that Russia and China fighting Russia effectively is a way to f stare down China. When President Xi showed up t two days ago, and for two days they were buddies.

We're going to work together to reorient the world around us. We're going to go use the Chinese currency. All you guys have to do is win. And Vladimir Putin, I need oil and gas.

Now when people want to say we're we're wasting our time uh supporting Ukraine against Russia. You didn't pay attention to the last two days. They're one entity working together to reorient the world, using each other. Yes, junior partner, absolutely. And do I think that China wishes Russia didn't invade Ukraine?

Absolutely. They're showing that they are not nearly the power that everybody thought they were. And economically, they're a mess. And Russia no longer has to be convinced. Europe no longer has to be convinced that Russia is a problem.

So they're divorced, hopefully, forever. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Meet Show.

So glad you're here. Coming to you from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world. We're watching some compelling testimony today, and I'll bring you some of the highlights with the CEO of TikTok. Also, we're watching a few other stories, including the possible indictment of the former president of the United States. We have some news on that.

Hillian Conway's in the studio. I don't know, don't ask me how much I met her. We have a huge budget on the show, so we met her fee. And then Brian Brenberg, Jackie DeAngelis, and Taylor Riggs will be here, co-host of the FBN show, The Big Money Show. They're going to be in at the bottom of the hour.

But before we go any further, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. TikTok is almost like the new telecommunications infrastructure of the world, if you allow it to be. Would you allow a Chinese company to become or own ATT in Verizon? No, we have laws against that.

Yeah, that is Tristan Harris. Ban it. TikTok CEO is on Capitol Hill right now. If they're serious about competing with China, for me, you have to ban this app and start every stop everything coming in overseas that's possible. Norway, India, Netherlands and Italy now say yes.

I say yes too. Number two. You know, he was laughing and he was good-humored about it and said he kind of liked DeSanctimonious, though he couldn't spell it. DeSantis says, you know, I got, I'm putting points on the board. In other words, he's emphasizing the fact that he has a record in Florida that he's proud of.

So he seems content for now to deal with Trump in that way. Britt Hume instant analysis. Trump team comes out. Guns are blazing after DeSantis leveled some subtle shots at the former president. Most of the attacks probably won't stick.

We'll go over them with Kelly Ann in a matter of moments. Number I think Alvin Bragg may be going back to what he initially thought when he first won the job, which was he shouldn't bring this case.

So the fundamental question is: what changed? President Trump announces he's running for president. Delay. A mystery why the grand jury did not meet in New York City yesterday, and a mystery why we're not going to get indictment according to Fox News sources today, or a lack of indictment or any type of decision. What is going on behind the scenes?

Now, we don't know for sure, Kellyanne, but one thing is pretty clear: it was brilliant last weekend. I believe for President Trump to come out and say, I'm going to be indicted. Just got to tell you, it screwed up my show on Saturday night. But it put them on the back foot and they've been unable to recover. Am I right?

Yes. And of course, all the get Trump in the media and on Twitter and elsewhere ran to that as well. They didn't say, oh, well, let's not believe Donald Trump. He's just trying to raise money off of his supporters. Let's wait to see.

They are so... obsessed with Trump derangement syndrome, so infected by it. Trump derangement syndrome is real. There is no vaccine, no booster, Brian. And so they went with it too.

So everybody got caught up in this. But I think Bragg, Alvin Bragg looks like Alvin Blink today because he's made promises that he's not keeping. I think that people had this reasonable expectation that it was imminent. I am one of the very few people who testified before the grand jury in this case. I went twice in the last few weeks.

And it's very clear to me that the grand jurors themselves, many of them were very engaged, asking questions, taking notes. But based on the questions I received, I think. They're still hitting and hoping here. I think they're still trying to build a case based on Michael Cohen's meeting with them 19 times and only testifying for a couple of hours under oath. And you really can't do that for somebody who went to prison for lying under oath, purging himself to Congress.

And look, he went there for $4 million of criminal tax evasion, lying to a federally insured bank that carries a maximum of a 30-year prison sentence.

So they're trying to build this case, and they need to think about precedent here. I think Alvin Bragg wants to go down in history as the first person who ever indicted a former president, but they think they have to realize that even Never Trump critics have said there's not much of a case here to prosecute and convict him. You're actually going to make the president. By the way, so did he. And his poll numbers went up.

By the way, Alvin Bragg initially looked at this and said there's nothing there. He threw a flag. What about this letter that says that Michael Cohen was never reimbursed for that money that he laid out? What about the fact that you have Robert Costello coming forward saying, Michael Cohen, he said, I never represented him. Michael Cohen says he never represented me.

And he goes, no, no, here's a letter releasing me from the attorney client privilege with his signature on it. That came out Monday night.

So anybody who says, well, like Sammy the Bull turned on John Gotti, put him away, anyone who says that, this guy's not reformed. That doesn't apply here. That doesn't apply here. I was on Hannity with Costello. We were on for a long time because we both testified to the grand jury.

And the nut of that is: look, I want to say, as the campaign manager in 2016, I was thinking about one woman in October and November that year. And her name is Hillary Clinton, not the porn person. This is not a campaign finance transaction. I don't know what it was. The president denied it.

But most importantly, to me, I never heard, you probably heard Stormy Daniels' name for the first time in earnest when we were already in the White House. It came out January 2018.

So that's 15 months after the election. Why is this important? It's important because it caught my eye because Michael Cohen came out and said emphatically, this affair has been denied by both parties. There's an NDA in place. This was a private transaction.

Mr. Trump and his campaign never knew. I did it out of the goodness. Of my heart.

So I'm going to go with what he said in January 2018. And that's why they're trying to build this case. And they realize it's easier to do it with a Manhattan Grand Jury that may be sympathetic to their cause and against President Trump. But now they're getting cold feet, and you have Alvin Bragg taking time to produce a three or four page letter back to Chairman Jordan and the others who are saying, Hey, I want you and some of your assistant DAs in your office to come and testify. How did we get here?

How did you resurrect a zombie case that you, Alvin Bragg, said no to, that your predecessor Cy Van said no to, that the Federal Elections Commission FEC said no to, and the Department of Justice said no to? There's so much there. A couple of things. I mean, this is the most blatant political. Event ever.

I mean, what Letitia James is doing is even worse. Going back over bank records to say, did he inflate the worth of his property in order to get loans that have since been paid back? If he did not run for president, they'd still be begging him to buy golf courses like Michael Bloomberg did over in Queens.

So this is pure politics. Nobody had any problem with Donald Trump. Not Reverend Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton. People loved him. I used to go to the apprentice events, and I would not even be clear if he was a Republican or Democrat.

There were so many celebrities there.

So I just think at some point, people have to say, there's not going to be a political advantage for Letitia James or Alvin Bragg because we see right through it. I also think it's noteworthy, too, that Van Jones weighed in and said to back off, here's cut 11. It doesn't seem like the right way to go when you look at the history. It's not going to judge Donald Trump based on Stormy Daniels. It's going to judge him based on the election.

It's going to judge him based on the coup attempt, the insurrection. I think that if I were Alvin, I would wait for Georgia to go first. Georgia, you have the President calling in, trying to change an election. That seems to me the thing to start with, not this. I actually don't think George is that strong either because if in context he was saying, look how close I got.

I need such amount of votes. I only need a thousand votes. I don't need 40,000 votes. Show me that's what he was doing.

Now, everyone knows that January 6th and everything leading up to that, I thought that was his worst moment. But I think when you play the context of those calls, especially after talking to Lindsey Graham about the questions he got, I don't think that's going to be a problem either. You have a Democrat uh you have Democrat district attorney in Atlanta who's going to town on that.

Well let's see. Donald Trump's got a lot of legal woes to outrun so far. He has and he has for years. You know, I'm in I'm in close touch with him. He calls me several times a week.

We had dinner recently. And the fact is that nobody likes to be Under the gun, paying lawyers all this money scrutinized, et cetera. But he's not backing down from his race. He's one of the only three announced Republican candidates, Brian. We could talk all day long about who can win, who should run, who the donors like.

It's like the lottery. You can't win if you don't play, as they say. You've got to go ahead and announce. And for President Trump, I think what's important here is Alvin Bragg and Letitia James here in New York have something else in common. They campaigned affirmatively, promising to get Donald Trump.

When you're running for the Attorney General of New York, when you're running for the DA of Manhattan, you should only make two promises. I'm going to uphold the Constitution and faithfully execute the laws of New York. Period. End of story. You don't promise that you're going to go and get Donald Trump.

I think that's impeachable. And it's also fundamentally a problem that it's an elective office. What are you working for an election for?

Well, they all think they're going to be governor next. They know Hochul is a joke. You know, Cuomo had to step down. Hochul's a joke. They all want to be governor.

This is all, and you said this is about political advantage. But people are paying very close attention to this. And they're saying, I'm sorry, the world's on fire. Putin and G are meeting. Putin's in Ukraine.

You've got Iran making deals, salivating at Israel's nuclear capable. Iran and Saudi Arabia. That's it. And so people are saying, yes, the economy is the number one issue, no question.

So I think that this election, honestly, is going to be one or loss, not on Stormy Daniels, not on TikTok, on who comes out with a robust, clear, and crisp economic plan. The way Trump did in September 2016, we need that again from these candidates. Kellyanne Conway, obviously, our guests. Kellyanne, you do your greatest strategy. You also understand recent political history, especially.

Sometimes you've got to run against people in your own party. Bush 41 against Bob Dole. Bush 41 ran against Ronald Reagan. You saw Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama take each other apart. You saw John McCain and George W.

Bush. I don't think they ever fully healed their relationship.

Now it looks like we're going to have the same bloodletting when it comes to DeSantis and Donald Trump. And I see this letter I got last night, and I'm sure you got it. Ron DeSanctimonius is finally admitting he's got to run, and he goes on and says Ron was a big lockdown guy. They were the third worst of COVID-19 deaths and cases, third worst for a total number of cases. He was also, when it comes to crime, one of the worst in the country in terms of murder.

And so it's running through that Florida was great before him and after him is not doing great now. Is that the right strategy? For a frontrunner?

Well, I like insights over insults.

So if he's laying out the facts, then that's important. And Ron DeSantis is going to do the same. He just started this week with our own Piers Morgan. Again, I think people looked at that interview more for the heat than the light. I thought the best parts of the interview for Ron DeSantis were when he was talking about his wife, Casey's valiant and thank God, successful battle against breast cancer.

When he talked about losing his sister at 30, she had a blood clot and eventually succumbed to an embolism. That's tragic. When he talked about, I think, some of the economic stuff that they're doing there, when he claims, Clarified his unfortunate comments about a territorial dispute only in Ukraine and said, Oh, wait a second, Putin's a war criminal. You need to do things like that, particularly if you're a sitting governor, Brian, because nobody sees governors as having done what Donald Trump did, which is taking on Putin and G and Kim Jong-un in person.

So I think the interview was far-ranging. It was smart for him to do it. I thought one of the best things he said was, I can win independence. I've done it in Florida.

Some polls show him beating Biden among independents. But the fact is, Donald Trump's the frontrunner. And he's going to have fun with the competition. He told me months ago: is that punching down? Oh, wait a second.

The donors will tell you it's DeSantis or nothing. People would tell you he can win. He's electable.

So I don't know if it's punching down. I think it's punching across. Twice. And the reason is because he's punching, he's punching back and he's surfacing and making transparent. We cannot, as a party, get back to this fiction of electability.

It is a nonsense word. It's how many great conservative candidates who didn't have the high name ID, who didn't have the deep funding. Brian got killed over time, not just president, but down the ballot. Donald Trump killed the word electability. We didn't focus on electability.

Pretending I know if you can or cannot win before voters cast a vote, but electoral college is how you do or don't win. You've got to get into Michigan and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and win. You win 2016. He didn't do it in 2020 because his campaign was a disaster. And his 2024 campaign will not make those same mistakes.

He's got different people in charge than he did in 2020. You like the team he has so far? Yes, I do. I think they're great. Susie Wiles is magic, and she, you know, Susie Wiles wants to get and well, she's Pat Summerall's daughter, the famous broadcaster.

So, Susie Summerall Wiles, as her father might say, she's there for three yards in a cloud of dust, throw a hammer once in a while. She's there to do the work and not be a workhorse, not a show horse. And also, she sees what happened in 2020. They had $1.6 billion and proved the old adage to be true, Brian Kilmead. The fastest way to make a small fortune is to have a very large one and waste most of it.

They wasted money on nonsense things like a Super Bowl ad that was a vanity project. People don't even remember what the ad was about. And then they ran out of money to run ads in those swing states towards the end. You just don't do that. You need to combine 2016, where I don't want him to be understaffed and under-resourced, but where we had hunger and swagger and where he had joy in the job.

He's doing seven, eight stops a day and talking about policy. Combine that with the fact that he did the job.

So he's got an incumbent's policy prescription record. Ron DeSantis has it, but he has it in one state. Trump has it for the whole country. And I like competition. I like that Ronnie McDaniel had competition.

I like that Kevin McCarthy had to go through 15 votes. I like that Donald Trump's going to have competition. Ladies and gentlemen, we are the pro-competition, pro-capitalism party and movement. We should have some competition. Tim Scott is going to come in as early as next week.

He's great. I'd love to send for someone. There is a lane for him, and if he's smart and he is very smart, he won't put himself in the anti-Trump never-Trump lane. That's already a crowded bike path. And that's why people are taking a step back.

Larry Hogan said he won't run. We'll see what Chris Christie does. Chris Sununu, for example. Nikki Haley is in the non-Trump lane. Vivek Ron Roshami will tell you he's in his own lane, but it's probably the non-Trump lane.

DeSantis has the ability to say, I'm in the Ron DeSantis lane. Here's what it's about. I think Tim Scott should do the same thing. And he had the best answers so far of any candidate running when asked the question, what policy differences do you have with Donald Trump? And he said, probably not many.

I supported his agenda. I voted with him. I'm so glad he was our president. I love the America First agenda, and I helped bring it to bear. That's a smart answer because it's a truthful answer.

Where I think he's going to say is, I'm going to play in South Carolina. I'm going to have an advantage there.

So maybe I can lock up one of these early states that Donald Trump won all 50 electoral votes last time. And Tim Scott's a rock star in South Carolina. He's great. And he'll have a big national donor base. I was with him recently.

He's got a clear message. Listen, I think he let a thousand flowers bloom. Donald Trump does not want to stay on the debate stage by himself. He thinks the more, the merrier. I know.

That's conventional wisdom. I want to get to your take on TikTok when we come back. Killian Conway for a few more minutes. You listen to the Brian Kill Me Chow. We're still waiting to see if an indictment does come down.

Then the circus begins. Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. We have heard important concerns about the potential for unwanted foreign access to US data and potential manipulation of the TikTok US ecosystem.

Our approach has never been to dismiss or trivialize any of these concerns. We have addressed them with real action.

Now that's what we've been doing for the last two years. Building what amounts to a firewall. That seals off protected U.S. user data from unauthorized foreign access. The bottom line is this: American data.

Stored on American soil. Buy an American company. overseen by American personnel. We call this initiative. Shou Chu is the CEO of TikTok.

By the way, his background is extremely impressive. He's been a standout his whole life. He used to work at Goldman Sachs. But he's definitely trying to alleviate the concern that many people have, including me, that this is going to be a tool for China to get information on us and be able to manipulate the public with their messaging and their news. For example, that Taiwan deserves to be invaded.

With me right now is Kellyanne Conway.

So we see Democrats and Republicans in many cases on the same page here. I think they're on the track to be banned. You think that's a mistake, Kellyanne? Let me back up. I believe that this hearing was riveting.

And the chairwoman, Kathy McCarrows-Rogers, this is Energy and Commerce, did a fantastic job. As did Frank Pallone, the ranking member from New Jersey, with whom I agree on very little, but they were both really giving this TikTok CEO a run for his billions of dollars. I also thought the TikTok CEO was very prepared. He gave statistics that maybe many Americans didn't know. Most TikTok users are over 18, Brian, not under 18, that there is a way to limit for 60 minutes an under 18 user, that they're headquartered in Los Angeles, California, everyone.

That's in the United States of America, and that you can't access TikTok in China. What I think of a ban. I'm not a big outright ban kind of person. And listen, I'm a mother of four teenagers. I understand the corrosive impact of TikTok.

And I worked in a White House where we had briefings. I had a TSSI, top secret security. We had briefings, Brian, where they'd pick up our telephones and say, this is a microphone for the Chinese. Turn it off. Put it in a lockbox.

So I get it all. I'm very concerned about these forced technology transfers. I'm very concerned about them knowing our. Data. I think the better maybe middling ground would be to consider U.S.

ownership of TikTok. By the way, the Chinese government just weighed in and said, We're not for sale. We're not selling, right? We're not for sale. But why do they care?

Can you imagine? But we tried that in the Trump administration. I think Microsoft was interested. We used to get calls from a bunch of people. Kellyanne, thanks so much.

See you soon. You got it. Thank you. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

We're very focused on getting inflation down. And because we know in the longer run that is the thing that will most benefit the people we serve. That's how we can have a long We've had very strong labor markets through these long expansions that we've had. That is Jerome Powell, who is a motivational speaker. You can tell by his tone.

He really gets people fired up. He was talking about why they raised rates yesterday with me in the studio, someone that can explain even better with more enthusiasm because they like each other. Brian Brenberg, Jackie DeAngelis, Taylor Riggs, not in that order. But if you're watching on Fox Nation, you know who's who. We're all excited about you guys, are co-hosts of the big money show, 1 o'clock.

So I got you in your pregame mode. Pregame. Here we go.

Now, did you guys just wake up, or have you been studying, looking at the numbers? We've been up all morning studying, preparing. We love inflation. We're pumped about it. We can get so jammed.

Right. And did you think it was transitory too? Were you worried that it was going to go away so quick? The real people on the ground knew from day one this wasn't transitory. And you guys are the real people.

The real peo and yeah, and this is is this your second pot of coffee today? Is that you know, 'cause you've been here since like four AM working. Getting ready for this?

So let's just talk about what happened in terms of the economy. We're watching the TikTok CEO try to keep his company here, over 100 million users, 1 billion worldwide. Already, Norway, the Netherlands, it looks like Italy and India have banned this. Kellyanne Conway was just in here, said, I don't like the idea of bans because it's China. But do you sense?

I guess, Brian, I could start with you. Do you sense that there's a push in this country to divest from that country to the point where it's going to affect what we invest in?

Well, nobody believes that the solutions that the Chinese company is giving are going to work.

So they're saying they want to do this Project Texas thing and Oracle will watch over your data and don't worry, we won't abuse it. And I think a lot of people say, well, and I agree with them actually.

Well, how in the world can you guarantee that? And we're learning new things every day.

So we learned yesterday that. ByteDance had these pixels on government websites that allowed them to track the movement of people on these websites. That's brand new. We didn't even know about that one. These reporters were tracked.

And these are government websites.

So, you know, what are you doing on there? Renewing your driver's license, paying your taxes? And all of a sudden, they've got a window into what you're doing.

So you can kind of forgive people for saying, you know what, I just don't think. You're taking good care of my data. And I don't think that putting Oracle in the middle of that's going to make a difference. Maybe a full outright ban isn't the solution because as we've talked about on our program, it's sort of this whack-a-mole approach where you don't like TikTok, so you ban it.

Well, guess what? There are thousands of other companies that are going to come up in the same way that are going to become just as popular.

So what's a more comprehensive way to think about companies that come from China that are gathering data? But banning one company, I think, solves one whack-a-mole problem when 13 other squirrels could pop up. I agree with that. And generally, I believe in people's ability to make choices for themselves.

So to have that liberty that I think probably Kellyanne was referencing, that bans don't work. You can't tell people what to do. But having said that, we do have a systemic problem with China that we have to address. And we have to talk about how the Chinese and their agents are doing business in this country. That includes TikTok.

That includes buying Chinese farmland. That includes... American farmland, China buying it, right? I'm sorry, that's what I meant. That includes how we trade together.

I think it was something that President Trump was trying to address with the tariffs, right? And we've backed off that a little bit. But you see that China's been emboldened. As a result of this administration and its policies, now teaming up with Vladimir Putin is taking this to a complete another level as well.

So I think we have to look at TikTok, but think about how are we addressing China and their actions here.

So I don't know if you guys on your show talk about ChatGBT.

So here's what Tristan Harris was saying about what really worries him about where this is heading. He doesn't think anyone's figured it out yet, and it's dangerous. There are ways of getting this right. And the CEOs and the people inside the companies have actually, I mean, not the CEOs, but people inside the companies came to us and said, Tristan and your team at Center for Humane Technology, will you help slow this down?

So the reason I'm here with you right now, I wouldn't come to New York and I wouldn't be here except because people inside the company said, we think this is going too fast and it's happening too recklessly. Can you help create some friction? Because it's not up to one company to slow down. If one company slows down, the other ones just rush in and take the place. What do you think about that, Taylor?

I think when Elon Musk, who was one of the creators of Open AI that then it went on to look at chat GPT. When he even says he's worried about some of this, that's sort of something that will perk my ears up that I will listen to.

So I agree. I think ChatGBT can be a great tool. But when we're thinking about replacing Students, so they don't learn how to write essays or whatever. I agree. I think we've talked a lot about it on our show: about inherent biases within AI, some of the problems that come from that.

And so, when you're on the rules of the road, what are those rules? What are the speed limits? You can't just build this highway and blow through it without having some parameters and some speed limits around it.

Well, here's what happens with a lot of technology: it's a build it first and then realize we don't quite know what we've built. That happened with phones, that's happened with social media, that's happening with AI and chat GPT. It is very telling to me when the guys who create the thing go to somebody else and say, Can you create some friction? Because we have no idea. Brian said, I'm scared, and you should be glad that I'm scared.

Well, so what it shows you actually is the bigger challenge with things like AI is going to be pushing back against it. We're going to need the most creative minds in the world actually trying to figure out now how to contain this. But let that be a lesson to. Us.

Okay. When we get really enamored with new technologies, the first question we should ask is: did these guys know what they were building? And so far, the answer has been no. And so I would just build off that and say the TikTok example relates to what Brian is saying. TikTok showed up, everybody loved TikTok, they got on it, and then we started to realize maybe we have a problem here.

And now we're backtracking, trying to fix it. Versus with Chat GPT, we do have an opportunity to think about how it should be used, how it should be regulated. And again, I'm not for big regulation, but having said that, these are questions that the industry has to answer and doing it in a proactive way is probably better. Sure, China gets it because they don't have our best interest in mind. We look at this thing for humanity.

Yeah, we're self-interest, got it. But we're not looking at crates as some evil empire, which I think China would really subscribe to. Evidently, The people at Facebook leaked some of this technology out and it got into, I believe, 4chan. And now China basically got a year and a half leap in their intelligence apparatus. It's so funny because the first time we talked about ChatGPT, I actually didn't know what it was until we did the segment on it, right?

And so we were putting something in, we did a test run, and I was reading what the, the, you know, what spit out, and I think we just asked about like, you know, who watches Fox Business or what's Fox Business all about? And the nuances in the words, Brian, in this very benign answer that it gave, that's what I keyed in on. I said, this already sounds very biased to me. Remember, what did it say? Like, some people might find it helpful.

Right. And I thought to myself, oh my God, really, robot? Really?

Okay. I like that it passed the bar. Kudos to the chat. He just wants to use it when she takes the bar exam. That's all it is.

But here's the other thing: it didn't originally. It got better. It got better. Right. It took time.

Guys, I want you to hear this. They talk about the new class of intelligence. And its capabilities. This is Tristan again, CUP33. What I really want your listeners to know, and this is really critical to get, is that underneath the hood, there is a new class, new generation of AI that was invented in 2017.

I won't bore you with the details technically, but it started getting deployed in 2020. It's called a Transformer. And what that did is it treats the entire world as language. And then you just pump it full of more language, the entire internet.

So you have this AI read the entire Internet, all PDFs, all images, all text, all everything that's ever been written. And it gets sucked into this one model. And the thing about this new class of AI is the more data you give it, it suddenly pops out with emergent capabilities that no engineer even knew were going to pop out. Yeah. This is what's a little different than the phone, Brian.

A little different, but it's similar. This is what it does.

So this is a system that's not based on wisdom. It's based on volume. Whatever volume you pump in, that will win in this system. The only wisdom embedded are the guardrails that are built into the AI. And that's coming, again, back to the earlier point, from the guys who don't know what they built, which means it's absolutely critical that the folks in this country who are in charge of the guardrails understand this.

But let me just point out, like with TikTok. Almost half the people on the Democrat side of the ticket who ran for office this last term. Use TikTok in their campaigns.

Okay. The president used it on St. Patrick's Day.

So that doesn't give me a lot of confidence that the folks asking the questions, even today in the hearing, really understand. There's a lot of heat today, no question about it, but there's not a lot of light. We've got to have a lot more light on this because right now, otherwise, it's just going to be the volume of stuff generated in the world that dictates what happens. The host of the big money show is here. It's Taylor, Jackie, and Brian.

Their show starts at one o'clock today. When we come back, we're going to find out what's on your show and also have you build on what I should have done before. And that's building what Jay Powell said yesterday and how the economy is responding today. You listen to the Brian Kill Me Show. Don't move.

Learning something new every day on the Brian Kill Me Show. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Joe. If we need to raise rates higher, we will. I think for now, though, we.

As I mentioned, we see the likelihood of credit tightening. We know that that. Can have an effect on the macroeconomy, on demand, on labor market, on inflation. And we're going to be watching to see what that is. And we'll also be watching what's happening with inflation and in the labor market.

So we'll be watching all those things. And of course we will We will Eventually, get to tight enough policy to bring inflation down to two percent.

So that is J-PAL yesterday. Brian Brandberg, Jackie DeAngelis, Taylor Riggs are here. If you're watching on Fox Nation, you're seeing them. You'll see them on FBN shortly, The Big Money Show at one.

So I guess, Jackie, if you want to start, what do you think? What was your takeaway yesterday? It was he feels the economy's Healthy enough, and the banks don't have them that worried to not raise rates. Is that the line of thinking that you have? I think so.

Actually, I think Jay Powell did the right thing yesterday. I think the economy needs the 25. I think the tightening that's coming as a result of what we're seeing with the banks is having definitely an impact.

So, you add those up and you kind of get the effective 50 that we were looking for. I think he also needed to forecast and reassure the market that the banking thing isn't bigger. If he paused completely, they might have read into it that way.

So, having said that, it's always hard to be Jerome Powell. It's always hard to raise rates. But after I slept on it, I said I think he did the right thing. Do you think he did the right thing or the best thing he could do? The best thing in that circumstance?

Given that hand, yeah. I think you sort of reiterated what the market maybe today is reacting to: inflation is still the priority. They've somehow ring-fenced this regional banking crisis. Maybe it's a couple one-offs for now.

So, we're tackling inflation. That's been. Our main goal. The only other thing, though, that he hinted at is that they're looking at maybe now three rate cuts next year.

So we're getting hints of that sort of recession. Did you say that? When you look at the Dot plots, and I don't want to get too wonky and we hate the dot plots. When you sort of look at how they are forecasting in the coming years, you could see that there are rate cuts coming soon, which means maybe we're near sort of the end of this cycle, and maybe markets are relieved about that. And I think one of the things that's pointing to is this realization that you've got a credit crunch potentially this year.

So all this banking turmoil creates a situation where a lot of banks are going to say, you know what? We're not going to lend as much as we have because we want to make sure our balance sheet looks good. And so the Fed's saying, you know what, we might be getting into a credit crunch because of all of this. And if that's the case, you got recession. And if you got recession, They're going to start thinking about rate cuts.

I think that's where all that comes from. Jackie, is it conventional wisdom that he was too slow to raise rates and he's too fast in raising rates? I think he was too slow to raise rates. I think he wanted to believe that inflation was transitory. I think he was.

Do you think he believed it? I do. I think we came out of a pandemic that was a once-in-one hundred-year event, and he thought that it would cool, and it didn't. And also, the administration at the same time, Powell didn't know that they were going to keep passing these spending bills and they were just going to keep doing it. That sort of got out of hand pretty quickly, too.

So, I think that was a big mistake on his part, and people are calling him out for it, you know, and he will have to sort of live with that. Then he had to play catch-up, and he had to go really fast, and that was difficult because the American consumer was suffering when inflation was at 9%, just still suffering at 6%.

So, it's a tough, I always say, I wouldn't want to be Jerome Powell. And I think, you know, with Powell and the United States in general, we had been itching. We would have been thrilled to even get to 2% inflation. We've been trying for 40 years to get some sort of inflation, and we couldn't. And so, we've sort of been talking that if you're an emerging market country, Argentina, where inflation is 100%, you know what inflation is like because it smacks you in the face every day.

We hadn't. Had inflation for 40 years, it was almost hard to recognize because we'd been searching for it and it never showed up. What do you mean we're searching for it? Nobody wants inflation, do they? You want on average 2% inflation over the long run.

And there were times coming out, even of 2008, when we couldn't even get up to 2%. And so when it sort of finally smacked us in the face, it's almost like these developed countries. I'm thinking Europe or Britain and the ECB and the bank that governs Europe, it almost was unrecognizable to us.

So I think it just took us longer to respond. And I think that's a really good point. And that's why rates were zero, right? Because the Fed at that time said, I need to stimulate the economy to get inflation up. And even at zero, they couldn't really get it there.

Yeah. Well, the other problem you have when you don't have inflation for a long time is a lot of kind of kooky theories about the economy can start to bubble up because times are good. And then people are going to be able to do that. That was modern monetary theory. Oh, it doesn't even matter.

We're never going to have inflation. And And we tried that, and boom, we got inflation with a bunch of people in charge who'd never really had to deal with it.

So we got Credit Suisse, who has basically got forced to be bailed out by UBS. You have the signature bank, and then you have the new Republic Bank right across the street from us is one of the best. First Republic that's teetering. That's a magazine name, Republic, I think. They might have a bank.

I don't know. I don't know how they're doing financially. But having said all that, what I was stunned by is when Silicon Valley Bank exposed their board, nobody's got banking experience now. And the guy who's CEO is also in the San Francisco Fed. And then we find out in 2019 they warned him, we don't like your balance sheets.

How many times are we going to have a bank board with no qualifications? That's true. And also true is the fact that they knew all about that. That wasn't a smack in the face to anybody or something, a secret that had to be understood. Why is that a big deal?

Why did that CEO be able to sleep at night knowing this whole thing could fall apart on him? The same way Bernie Madoff slept at night, right? People do, and they continue to do it if they're not checked. You know, we were discussing regulation in our meeting this morning amongst ourselves and this notion of the regulators knew, but they did nothing. And what does this administration want to do?

Just add more regulations.

So you want to put more people on the payroll to do nothing? How to take the people you have and have them be a little bit more efficient. And when they find red flags like this, do something. It wasn't the regulation, it was the enforcement of it that was lacking. The guy on the board didn't enforce himself on his own.

I was lacking enforcement. I would think so. There were California state regulators who were asleep. There were New York state regulators who were asleep. Where was the San Francisco Fed?

I mean, there were a lot of people asleep at the board. I just can't imagine being in a meeting saying, if he keeps on raising rates, how will that affect us? And when you get the answer, play it out worst-case scenario. You don't play it out worst-case scenario, Brian. I understand that.

Well, you know, they didn't have a chief risk officer in the company until like nine months before this happened. That be? But you know, I think there was also, and this is maybe just me, but I think there was kind of a shared understanding that SVB was doing all the right things. They were backing all the right companies. Right?

They were all the same.

So it was kind of like, you know what? Don't worry. That was their risk strategy, the political risk strategy.

So in our meeting, we decided to have the music gradually get louder.

So who's going to be on your show? Just you guys? You guys are enough. Oh, we're going to be after it. We have Mark Warner today.

We're going to talk about TikTok. We're talking about banks. Housing in Florida. Housing in Florida. All at one o'clock on FBN.

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